| mukul | hello | 01:05 |
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| oerheks | :-) | 01:05 |
| mukul | what yall know about pop os | 01:06 |
| oerheks | nice if you have that special hardware from system7 | 01:07 |
| oerheks | not supported here, they have their own channel on #Libera >> #pop!_os | 01:07 |
| mukul | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0EWR-ZZmG4 | 01:10 |
| oerheks | no youtube urls please | 01:11 |
| oerheks | Do you have an Ubuntu support question? | 01:11 |
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| farhan | Hi all١ I am using a Virtual keyboard and I see that some of the mappings for the numbers are off. I want to use xmodmap, which sorta works, but when I switch back to English the mapping seems to remain not in English. | 04:01 |
| farhan | Is there a way to use xmodmap but only for a specific virtual keyboard? | 04:01 |
| farhan | excuse me for a moment. | 04:05 |
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| spinningCat | i installed ubuntu last version | 05:28 |
| spinningCat | it didnt know my sond card | 05:28 |
| spinningCat | i dont understand | 05:29 |
| spinningCat | first time i saw such thing | 05:31 |
| spinningCat | i see dummy something | 05:31 |
| spinningCat | i am shocked | 05:31 |
| satyaxcode | hi | 05:43 |
| spinningCat | i had to install alsa externally | 05:59 |
| spinningCat | and it fixed | 05:59 |
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| u0_a1032 | IRC info | 07:18 |
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| kiro | sio | 07:20 |
| kiro | suo | 07:20 |
| kiro | sup | 07:20 |
| kiro | shut the fuck up | 07:20 |
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| kiro | suo | 11:23 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:09 |
| kuka_lie | hi BluesKaj | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | hi kuka_lie | 12:11 |
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| quaklork | Hey, are you aware of the weird behaviour that the Keyboard while entering LUKS Passphrase changes to some "non existing" weird Layout containing only symbols? I got this issue frequently since Ubuntu 22/LUKS/Ext4, and after Upgrading to 24, and with the fresh install of 24/LUKS/ZFS again, with my laptop internal keyboard and external USB | 12:18 |
| quaklork | keyboards. I type regular characters, and than, suddenly, in the middle of typing it changes to these weird symbols. Today was particular hard and it took me like 1 hour and 30 reboots to have "random luck" and be able to enter my passphrase so I could boot. Heres a pic how the characters look like (again, they were normal when I started typing but | 12:18 |
| quaklork | after 10-15 characters they change in the same line): https://imgur.com/a/PnzhoTv | 12:18 |
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| mgedmin | there's a control character that switches the output to the VT100 pseudographics output | 12:25 |
| mgedmin | which looks like this | 12:25 |
| mgedmin | it used to be fun when you accidentally cat a binary file and that chatacters leaves your console barely usable | 12:25 |
| mgedmin | sometimes typing 'reset' blind would fix it, sometimes not, depending on your termcap/terminfo reset sequence including the corresponding other control character or not | 12:26 |
| mgedmin | it's ^O or ^P or ^N, I don't remember which -- ASCII mnemonic SI/SO or something | 12:26 |
| * mgedmin reads man console_codes | 12:26 | |
| quaklork | my passphrase continues : and @ and SPACE up until this point - but, if these were the reason than I would have to have 100% repeatability and could never boot. Im quite "certain" that I dont press anything else. Is there any way I can deacitvate VT100? | 12:27 |
| mgedmin | SO (^N) activates this mode, SI (^O) resets it | 12:27 |
| mgedmin | now, what program might be emitting this while you're inputting your luks passphrase, I've no idea | 12:27 |
| mgedmin | but in any case when you're inputting passphrases your input should be invisible? who on earth leaves local echo enabled during password prompts? | 12:28 |
| quaklork | my input is invisible, the photo is of 3 failed attempts and than the Ubuntu 24 LUKS/ZFS standard installation swaps to some initramfs shell. Thats where I noticed it | 12:29 |
| mgedmin | oh right that's not the prompt, thats the initramfs shell after the mounting fails | 12:29 |
| mgedmin | might be unrelated | 12:29 |
| mgedmin | is the 'reset' command available in the initramfs shell? | 12:29 |
| quaklork | its displayed when I type in help, yes, but so are other commands like reboot but they dont have any effect | 12:30 |
| mgedmin | printf '\017' should reset the character set -- printf is a shell builtin, even dash or busybox sh should have it | 12:31 |
| quaklork | tbo I do not understand what you mean by "SO" and "SI" in "SO (^N) activates this mode, SI (^O) resets it", but I will gladly google it and take a note of this and your printf command and try them the next time it occurs. | 12:32 |
| quaklork | i guess Shell Output and Shell Input? | 12:33 |
| quaklork | well. but. there is no way to enter printf '\017'. So I only can do some key combos like ^N or ^O | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_Out_and_Shift_In_characters | 12:34 |
| quaklork | ty | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | the point is when you're entering commands like 'print', they get echoed differently, but the shell still sees 'print', so you can enter the command | 12:36 |
| quaklork | mhhhh maybe it happens when I do Shift+N or Shift+O as these are upper case characters are actually contained in my passphrase right around where it happens! So Instead I should try CapsLock+N or CapsLock+O, mh? | 12:37 |
| mgedmin | um, confusing shift and ctrl would be a big issue for terminals | 12:37 |
| quaklork | Im not pressing ctrl, I do press shift (99.999% certain). But I actually do use upper case N and O "around the time" it happens so maybe thats related | 12:38 |
| quaklork | im already glad that its nothing broken with grub or anything as grub-update was performed dozen of times the past couple of months by me manually and by updates, so at least my data integrity is not threatend and no hardware defect seems to be cause of it | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | the SI/SO control characters work when programs output them | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | if any program is outputing the characters of the passphrase you're inputing, that program is very very buggy and you would not ice when it would echo the regular letters and numbers | 12:42 |
| mgedmin | besides, the default kernel tty layer or whatever doesn't echo control characters from input, it shows them as ^N/^O | 12:42 |
| mgedmin | e.g. I can run cat and press ctrl+N and I will see caret followed by N, it won't switch character sets | 12:43 |
| quaklork | well its a standard Ubuntu 24 GUI installation of encrypted ZFS, except some removal of splash I havent modified my grub. I use a docking station with the external keyboard connected to it, but whenever this happens I disconnect everything and use the sole laptop with its internal keyboard but it continues with this behaviour. As mentioned, today | 12:44 |
| quaklork | it took me like 30 reboots to get it. | 12:44 |
| mgedmin | (besides, in gnome-terminal the initial G0 and G1 charsets are both ASCII, and SI/SO control chars do nothing -- you'd have to echo a bunch more init sequences to make them switch to the VT100 graphics) | 12:44 |
| mgedmin | (/dev/tty1 is different) | 12:44 |
| mgedmin | "removal of splash" is interesting | 12:44 |
| mgedmin | because normally plymouth is the component that handles both the splash screen and the luks passphrase input | 12:45 |
| mgedmin | "removal of splash" might mean you switched to a text-mode plymouth theme | 12:45 |
| quaklork | well you know, changing standard configuration of "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" | 12:45 |
| mgedmin | or it might mean you removed plymouth itsel (is that even possible?) | 12:45 |
| mgedmin | ah, ok, I think that switches plymouth to text mode | 12:46 |
| quaklork | it changes from the graphical input to the one you can see in my photo - "shell" style so I can see if all modules load properly | 12:47 |
| quaklork | (i dunno what plymouth is tbo) | 12:47 |
| quaklork | finaly my Lenovo Yoga X1 arrived after waiting 3 weeks. so. I guess I will swap the SSD into the new notebook, activate splash in grub again to have the graphical feedback which keyboard layout is set, and tinker with pressing CTRL+N or CTRL+O if that issue occurs again, mh? | 12:52 |
| tomreyn | quaklork: while i've just learned new things by reading mgedmins' suggestions (doh! i never knew about those control characters), the screenshot you posted at https://i.imgur.com/M48oWCM.jpeg makes me think of bad RAM (or other memory). this said, i'm not familiar with the keystore-rpool cryptsetup key input method either. so this might just work fine once you moved to the new laptop. if it also doesn't work on the new laptop, you may want to do | 13:27 |
| tomreyn | a fresh install. if it still persists then, it's certainly time for a bug report. | 13:27 |
| Guest76 | hello im trying to run ubuntu but is impossible because is uses radeonsi drivers how to change the drivers on the live iso | 13:46 |
| leftyfb | Guest76: install ubuntu, then change drivers as you see fit | 13:47 |
| Guest76 | well so yeah it will be good if i can but cant because my pc restart boots | 13:47 |
| Guest76 | loops | 13:47 |
| Guest76 | i use an old r9 390 8G | 13:48 |
| leftyfb | Guest76: what release of ubuntu have you installed? | 13:48 |
| Guest76 | ah the newest one from your website (the desktop one) | 13:49 |
| leftyfb | Guest76: which release exactly? | 13:49 |
| leftyfb | what is the file name? | 13:49 |
| Guest76 | 24.04 lts | 13:50 |
| Guest76 | because is long term support | 13:50 |
| leftyfb | that's technically not the latest. But it is the one I would suggest | 13:50 |
| leftyfb | Guest76: do you have ubuntu 24.04 installed right now? | 13:51 |
| Guest76 | i have it in my laptop yeah but on the pc it boots loops D" | 13:51 |
| quaklork | @tomreyn Thanks for the suggestion but I do not think of bad ram since this issue persists since a couple of years already and I just swapped the RAM of my "old" machine 3 months ago - and I had this issue with the last installation and the fresh I did a month ago. I think what mgedmin was talking about makes alot of sense as the behaviour is | 13:52 |
| quaklork | repeatable a way that the characters start to mess up always at the same point in the initramfs shell, I just dont remember exactly after which one, but N or O makes sense | 13:52 |
| oerheks | quaklork, maybe it is the GPU ram going bad? | 13:52 |
| leftyfb | Guest76: ok, so on the pc in question (we're only troubleshooting and referring to 1 machine at a time), what do you mean boot loops? Where in the boot process does it reboot? | 13:52 |
| Guest76 | yes it reboots am gpu drivers :D | 13:53 |
| quaklork | oerheks no its no hardware issue. its as mgedmin suggested an expected behaviour with some input | 13:53 |
| Guest76 | my pc requires amd gpu drivers | 13:53 |
| Guest76 | do i just try to install ubuntu server and trow gnome on it ? | 13:54 |
| leftyfb | Guest76: please take a video or screenshot if you can of the process and point where it reboots | 13:55 |
| oerheks | server, or mini iso https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mini-iso/noble/daily-live/current/ | 13:56 |
| tomreyn | quaklork: do you have characters other than those on a US english keyboard layout https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/KB_United_States-NoAltGr.svg in your passphrase then? | 13:56 |
| quaklork | tomreyn I use a german keyboard, but no, regular !$%: SPACE Characters in my PW | 13:57 |
| quaklork | lets hope my Samsung 990 Pro 4TB only got single sided chips :O Ive just learned the Lenovo Yoga X1 despite having an 2280 slot can only host single sided SSDs.... omg what a bad design | 13:58 |
| quaklork | good news after researching 2 months what Convertible Notebook to buy and than waiting 3 weeks for it to arrive | 13:58 |
| manishgoswami051 | hello ,guide for running x86 exe wine 32 bit guest 32 bit ubuntu armhf on proot termux 32 bit arm | 14:00 |
| tomreyn | quaklork: hmm, weird, i'm still surprised you'd run into a situation where the input changes like it does for you then. but i'm glad you may have found a workaround for now. | 14:00 |
| manishgoswami051 | *android host 32 bit | 14:01 |
| quaklork | tomreyn lets see. but my gut feeling tells me mgedmins elaborated reasoning is really hitting the nail on the head. | 14:01 |
| oerheks | manishgoswami051, i thought proot is designed for android stuff | 14:02 |
| oerheks | how would wine fit in? | 14:03 |
| manishgoswami051 | yes i am on proot ubuntu distro 32bit armhf , need wine , will winehf from default ubuntu will work ? | 14:03 |
| oerheks | sorry, i have no idea | 14:04 |
| manishgoswami051 | i mean i am on android arm 32bit hist used termux installed ubuntu armhf 32 bit , default wine armhf will work with box86 or need wine i386 ? | 14:05 |
| manishgoswami051 | host* | 14:06 |
| manishgoswami051 | user@localhost:~$ uname -a | 14:09 |
| manishgoswami051 | Linux localhost 6.2.1-PRoot-Distro #2 SMP PREEMPT Mon Aug 22 21:25:13 CST 2022 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux | 14:09 |
| tomreyn | manishgoswami051: termux uses different package repositories than ubuntu. ubuntu ix86 is no longer supported. you are not running ubuntu, please use the termux support channels (if any) for help with what you are running. there is also #linux | 14:09 |
| tomreyn | this is not an ubuntu kernel either | 14:10 |
| manishgoswami051 | hmm | 14:11 |
| tomreyn | https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/PRoot | 14:11 |
| manishgoswami051 | modified ubuntu from PRoot ? | 14:11 |
| tomreyn | yes, modified in such as way that it cannot be supported here | 14:11 |
| manishgoswami051 | okay thanks ,heading towards termux | 14:12 |
| quaklork | his issue is not proot related anyway. his issue is wanting i386 on an arm chipset, and thinking wine would do it for him. thats - as far as I understand - not the case anyway. you got to translate i386 on arm first | 14:12 |
| tomreyn | oh, right, this would require a proper VM, which would likely be too slow anyways. | 14:13 |
| quaklork | mgedmin thank you for your help. I will report back after swapping machines and testing a bit | 14:15 |
| manishgoswami051 | yea will box86 do translate wine i386 ? | 14:19 |
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| tomreyn | manishgoswami051: volunteers on this channel will be happy to provide support (if they can) when you run ubuntu. you currently don't. if you need any help installing ubuntu, please let us know. | 14:23 |
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| tomreyn | Guest6932: nickname 'alpha' is already registered and taken, please pick a different one and consider registering it. | 14:24 |
| tomreyn | !register | 14:24 |
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| manishgoswami051 | https://ivonblog.com/en-us/posts/termux-proot-box86-box64/ | 14:25 |
| tomreyn | manishgoswami051: volunteers on this channel will be happy to provide support (if they can) when you run ubuntu. you currently don't. if you need any help installing ubuntu, please let us know. | 14:25 |
| manishgoswami051 | i failed to symlink in debian distro using this guide | 14:26 |
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| tomreyn | manishgoswami051: this is off-topic for this channel. you can try getting help in #linux | 14:26 |
| manishgoswami051 | oh np thank you | 14:27 |
| nerdcore | I ran some apt upgrades today and was informed by apt that I should execute this command: `systemctl restart user@1000.service` but `systemctl status user@1000.service` sure looks like it is my entire user session. Will this log me out? | 15:23 |
| mgedmin | might! | 15:23 |
| mgedmin | I wouldn't trust needrestart's advice too much | 15:24 |
| nerdcore | so the service will not "restart" right? I'll just lose my work and be dumped back to my DM login prompt? | 15:24 |
| mgedmin | what needrestart noticed is that some program that is part of your user session is using a binary or library that was updated | 15:24 |
| mgedmin | so until you restart that program you will still be running old code | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | that potentionally contains security vulnerabilies or other bugs | 15:25 |
| nerdcore | seems aggressive to tell a user inside an active login to kill the whole login session :( | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | it's curious though, I never noticed needrestart telling me to restart a user@ service | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | well, I don't think needrestart understands that restarthing this service might log the user out | 15:26 |
| mgedmin | maybe it should be taught (i.e. please file a bug) | 15:26 |
| oerheks | what is installed and updated, docker? | 15:26 |
| oerheks | else there is no reason to restart user 1000, logout and login again would do the same | 15:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | What got updated? | 15:27 |
| * mgedmin remembers when release-upgrading via update-manager would restart gdm.service in the middle of the upgrade, killing everything, including the upgrade tool itself, and leaving the user to pick up broken pieces in a tty login | 15:27 | |
| nerdcore | I'm guessing snapd | 15:27 |
| mgedmin | (_that_ bit was fixed, but I stopped using the GUI version of the distro upgrade tool anyway) | 15:27 |
| oerheks | oh, snapd could be the reason too | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | eh? but snapd is not part of the user@ service, it's a system service | 15:28 |
| oerheks | restarting the user would not log you out, make sure your 'work' is saved | 15:28 |
| nerdcore | a couple other packages too. snapd's just a guess on my part. How would I know for sure which package update triggered this? | 15:29 |
| nerdcore | lsof? | 15:29 |
| mgedmin | do you have the full output from the apt update that ran needrestart? | 15:30 |
| nerdcore | firefox via snap? | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | can you pastebin? | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | if not, you might see a list of packages updated in /var/log/apt/history.log | 15:30 |
| nerdcore | I could have, but I just ran lsof in the same terminal and it clobbered all the apt stuff :( | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | you don't have infinite history? I thought it was default in gnome-terminal | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | but ah! 'lsof | grep -i del' is also a great way of discovereing programs that refer to deleted files | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | some of these are harmless (programs often delete temporary files intentionally to have them cleaned up when the program exits), but some point to replaced libraries and binaries | 15:32 |
| nerdcore | so on the positive side I believe it is in fact a snap of FF which caused this, but I had a limited scrollback in whichever terminal application I'm running these days in i3wm and lost all the apt details | 15:32 |
| nerdcore | does seem incorrect to terminate the entire user session. I'll try running `ubuntu-bug needrestart`, which I have also purged from my system | 15:33 |
| nerdcore | needrestart not ubuntu-bug lol | 15:33 |
| oerheks | it is correct. | 15:34 |
| nerdcore | doesn't seem effective since I purged it :P | 15:34 |
| oerheks | well, have fun. | 15:34 |
| * nerdcore spins in circles a little | 15:34 | |
| cambrian_invader | ok, so what's u-boot+nodisclaimer@lists.denx.de ? | 15:38 |
| cambrian_invader | whoops wrong channel | 15:38 |
| nerdcore | the part I find most odd personally is that `systemctl restart user@1000.service` is not going to achieve "restart". In fact it won't even launch firefox again (the offending bin), so it's more like a `systemctl stop user@1000.service` | 15:39 |
| pragmaticenigma | I know that when Firefox was/is installed as a deb package, upgrades to the package would trigger firefox to display a "restart your browser to apply updates" message. It might be something similar triggering needsrestart. personnally, anything say something needs to restart, I just reboot the system. I have a an EL9 system that will tell me I need to restart a service over and over, until I reboot the entire system. When in doubt, just | 16:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | skip the hassle and reboot at your earliest convience | 16:05 |
| nerdcore | well `sudo lsof | grep DEL` works great too :) | 16:06 |
| nerdcore | across distros. | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | I never understood when lsof shows DEL in the whatever-column, and when it appends (deleted) to the end of the filename instead | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | which is why I always use lsof | grep -i del, as that catches both | 16:07 |
| nerdcore | I know it's probably uncouth to talk about other distros here, but I must say that Void Linux' xbps package manager handles this very well IMHO https://docs.voidlinux.org/xbps/index.html#restarting-services | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | needrestart is just automation around lsof | grep anyway | 16:07 |
| ravage | i does a lot more than that | 16:09 |
| ravage | *that | 16:09 |
| ravage | listen to the latest ubuntu security podcast if you really want to learn more about it | 16:10 |
| ravage | and the security problems were in the "much more than that" part | 16:11 |
| quaklork | turns out: Samsung 990Pro 4TB thankfully only got chips single sided - fits my new Lenovo Yoga X1! 4TB Convertible with true matt display. Niceeeeeee. | 17:05 |
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| gaelheart | I'm having a really wierd issue with my bluetooth dongle. i am dual booting windows 11 and ubuntu 24.04 LTS. It works under both operating systems to be clear. However, if i pair and connect it under Windows, Ubuntu can't connect to it when i reboot into Ubuntu. And exactly vice versa. If i pair and connect it under Ubuntu it won't connect under Windows. Unless I forget the device and reconnect. I am using bluetooth for my PC speakers. Any idea | 17:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | gaelheart: are you fully shutting down the system between, or pulling the bluetooth dongle when switching between OSes? | 17:49 |
| gaelheart | i am just restarting. i haven't tried fully shutting down. I am not pulling it | 17:50 |
| gaelheart | if i connect it under ubuntu it works only every boot as long as i don't go into windows and connect it there. and vice-versa | 17:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | gaelheart: Any device that is paired with the BT will need to be disconnected when system which OS you are using. The reboot may not fully power down the BT dongle, and there are no other signels provided to tell the paired device that the host is no longer available. | 17:53 |
| gaelheart | not "only" i meant on | 17:53 |
| gaelheart | so if i fully shutdown it should resolve the issue | 17:53 |
| leftyfb | also make sure fast boot on Windows is disabled | 17:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | In theory, or unplugging the dongle before restarting to switch the os | 17:54 |
| gaelheart | it is disabled | 17:54 |
| gaelheart | ok excellent i will fully shutdown when i plan to switch over | 17:54 |
| gaelheart | i only use windows maybe once a week so it's just an annoyance | 17:55 |
| gaelheart | not a huge deal just thought it was strange. | 17:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | BT is strange honestly :) | 17:55 |
| gaelheart | well thank you so much. i was honestly thinking it was bizarre but it makes sense now | 17:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | There's more that could be at work here, but this is where I'd start. Next would be to not use the BT in a windows session if it can be helped. | 17:56 |
| gaelheart | yeah that's certainly an option | 17:57 |
| gaelheart | I'm going to try the full shutdown procedure and see if it works under both under that condition | 17:59 |
| gaelheart | ok i'm in windows now and i connected to the bluetooth speakers. gonna fully shutdown and go into ubuntu. fingers crossed | 18:07 |
| f4st_raB1t | gaelheart bro, your problem is the windows. kill him | 18:09 |
| gaelheart | well that didn't work. ubuntu sees it but it doesn't connect. i will have to forget it and re-pair for it to connect again. oh well nnot a big deal | 18:09 |
| f4st_raB1t | gaelheart connect via terminal and paste the logs here | 18:10 |
| gaelheart | i use windows because i like it. i like both actually but i just spend more time in ubuntu because it like it more and i can do things on ubuntu that i can't do in windows | 18:11 |
| gaelheart | ok | 18:11 |
| f4st_raB1t | gaelheart thats ok you use windows, im just joking | 18:11 |
| gaelheart | bluetoothctl connect 10:94:97:11:D0:8F | 18:12 |
| gaelheart | Attempting to connect to 10:94:97:11:D0:8F | 18:12 |
| gaelheart | [CHG] Device 10:94:97:11:D0:8F Connected: yes | 18:12 |
| gaelheart | Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-unknown | 18:12 |
| gaelheart | i don't know where the logs are | 18:13 |
| gaelheart | that's just the terminal-emulator output | 18:13 |
| leftyfb | gaelheart: it's likely a limitation of the device. It might only be allowed to be paired with a single source | 18:13 |
| gaelheart | ok leftyfb at least we tried right? | 18:14 |
| leftyfb | oh wait, reading again, this is a usb dongle and any BT client isn't pairing across the OS's? | 18:14 |
| gaelheart | leftyfb: corret unless i forget and re-pair | 18:15 |
| gaelheart | correct rather | 18:15 |
| f4st_raB1t | Both OSes are like jealous exes when you pair your speakers in one, they change the "key" (like a secret handshake) and the other one gets locked out. You gotta share that key between them to make peace | 18:15 |
| gaelheart | but as long as i only boot one over and over it works fine | 18:15 |
| f4st_raB1t | =) | 18:15 |
| f4st_raB1t | boot into Ubuntu, pair your bluetooth speakers. get it working there first. | 18:16 |
| gaelheart | ok connecting... | 18:16 |
| f4st_raB1t | reboot into Windows pair the same speakers again. remember this wipes out the ubuntu pairing, but dont sweat it we’ll fix that. | 18:16 |
| gaelheart | ok re-paired in ubuntu . restarting now | 18:17 |
| f4st_raB1t | back in Ubuntu install chntpw to dig into the windows registry: maybe something like this sudo apt-get install chntpw | 18:17 |
| leftyfb | got a solution that might work | 18:19 |
| f4st_raB1t | he didn’t let me finish | 18:19 |
| gaelheart | ok back in window and they didn't connect | 18:19 |
| gaelheart | windows | 18:20 |
| f4st_raB1t | lol | 18:20 |
| leftyfb | f4st_raB1t: does your solution involve bt-dualboot? | 18:20 |
| f4st_raB1t | you didn’t let me finish | 18:20 |
| gaelheart | oh sorry f4st_raB1t | 18:20 |
| leftyfb | you can sync the keys | 18:20 |
| gaelheart | ok | 18:20 |
| f4st_raB1t | leftyfb exacly dualboot lol | 18:21 |
| leftyfb | gaelheart: sudo apt install bt-dualboot | 18:21 |
| gaelheart | ok gonna boot ubuntu an install that. brb | 18:21 |
| leftyfb | pair with ubuntu, boot into Windows, pair with Windows, boot back into Ubuntu and run sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all | 18:21 |
| f4st_raB1t | It's easier lol | 18:22 |
| f4st_raB1t | im donk | 18:22 |
| gaelheart | the only way to pair with windows is to forget and repair. is that what i should do now? i already paired and connected in ubuntu and now i am in windows | 18:23 |
| leftyfb | yes | 18:24 |
| gaelheart | ok | 18:24 |
| gaelheart | ok back to ubuntu to install bt-dualboot | 18:25 |
| gaelheart | E: Unable to locate package bt-dualboot | 18:29 |
| leftyfb | ugh | 18:29 |
| leftyfb | sudo pip install bt-dualboot | 18:30 |
| leftyfb | you might also need to sudo apt install chntpw , not sure about that though | 18:32 |
| gaelheart | i'll do both | 18:32 |
| gaelheart | sudo apt install chntpw done | 18:33 |
| gaelheart | says command not found pip | 18:33 |
| leftyfb | sudo apt install python3-pip | 18:33 |
| gaelheart | k | 18:33 |
| gaelheart | leftyfb: error: externally-managed-environment | 18:34 |
| leftyfb | try it without sudo | 18:34 |
| gaelheart | k | 18:34 |
| leftyfb | or you could add --break-system-packages to the pip command | 18:35 |
| leftyfb | I think installing without sudo in your own venv should be fine | 18:35 |
| gaelheart | --break-system-packages to the pip command worked | 18:35 |
| gaelheart | without sudo | 18:35 |
| gaelheart | wait there's a warning | 18:35 |
| gaelheart | The script bt-dualboot is installed in '/home/robert/.local/bin' which is not on PATH. | 18:36 |
| gaelheart | Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location | 18:36 |
| enigma9o7 | perhaps thats one of those paths that only gets added to your PATH if it exists when you boot, there's a few like that | 18:37 |
| enigma9o7 | otherwise add it manually | 18:37 |
| gaelheart | please give me instructions to add it manually | 18:37 |
| gaelheart | or should i try to reboot? | 18:37 |
| enigma9o7 | well I'd either reboot and see, or check the login scripts to see if its set to add automatically.. | 18:39 |
| ioria | pip and & are quite dead on 24.04 (outside a virt env); you can try pipx instead | 18:40 |
| gaelheart | can i modify the script and add --no-warn-script-location. should i have that script run at login? or will it run automatically | 18:40 |
| enigma9o7 | all that would do is surpess the warning, it doesn't "do" anything | 18:40 |
| gaelheart | ok enigma9o7 | 18:41 |
| gaelheart | so i guess i will just have the script run automatically when i login. | 18:41 |
| gaelheart | ? | 18:41 |
| gaelheart | well hell let me reboot and see what that does | 18:41 |
| leftyfb | gaelheart: sudo pip install bt-dualboot --break-system-packages | 18:41 |
| leftyfb | or not | 18:41 |
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| gaelheart | ok rebooted. | 18:42 |
| gaelheart | no connection | 18:42 |
| leftyfb | gaelheart: did you run sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all | 18:43 |
| gaelheart | leftyfb: will do now | 18:43 |
| gaelheart | sudo: bt-dualboot: command not found | 18:44 |
| leftyfb | gaelheart: sudo pip install bt-dualboot --break-system-packages | 18:44 |
| gaelheart | k | 18:44 |
| leftyfb | gaelheart: then sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all | 18:44 |
| leftyfb | nothing gets run automatically on boot | 18:44 |
| gaelheart | Successfully installed bt-dualboot-1.0.1 | 18:45 |
| gaelheart | WARNING: Running pip as the 'root' user can result in broken permissions and conflicting behaviour with the system package manager. It is recommended to use a virtual environment instead: https://pip.pypa.io/warnings/venv | 18:45 |
| gaelheart | running sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all... | 18:45 |
| gaelheart | bt-dualboot: error: Neither backup option given! | 18:45 |
| gaelheart | Windows Registry Hive file will be updated! | 18:46 |
| gaelheart | chntpw/reged tool is non-official and hackish Hive file editing tool. | 18:46 |
| gaelheart | It is recommended to do backup prior writing into Hive file. | 18:46 |
| gaelheart | Use: | 18:46 |
| gaelheart | -b [path], --backup [path] [default: /var/backup/bt-dualboot] | 18:46 |
| gaelheart | -n, --no-backup process without backup | 18:46 |
| leftyfb | !paste | gaelheart | 18:46 |
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| gaelheart | sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all ----no-backup ? | 18:46 |
| leftyfb | ok, so specify a backup path | 18:47 |
| gaelheart | gonna skip backup. one sec | 18:47 |
| leftyfb | yeah, that's always a good idea when running commands for the first time that you don't fully understand | 18:47 |
| gaelheart | damnit my windows partition isn't mounted | 18:48 |
| leftyfb | specify a backup path | 18:48 |
| gaelheart | leftyfb: ok i will but i have to mount the windows partition quick | 18:48 |
| leftyfb | yep | 18:48 |
| leftyfb | gaelheart: this is the documentation for that tool: https://github.com/x2es/bt-dualboot | 18:49 |
| gaelheart | NTFS — Mounted at /media/robert/Windows | 18:49 |
| gaelheart | sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all --backup /var/backup/bt-dualboot | 18:51 |
| gaelheart | > BACKUP /media/robert/Windows/Windows/System32/config/SYSTEM to /var/backup/bt-dualboot/SYSTEM-2024-12-06--13-50-53 | 18:51 |
| gaelheart | Syncing... | 18:51 |
| gaelheart | ========== | 18:51 |
| gaelheart | [10:94:97:11:D0:8F] Logi Z407 | 18:51 |
| gaelheart | ...done | 18:51 |
| leftyfb | again, please use pastebin | 18:51 |
| gaelheart | hello? | 18:52 |
| gaelheart | there i am | 18:52 |
| gaelheart | sorry guys | 18:52 |
| gaelheart | or gals ? :) | 18:52 |
| leftyfb | did the output give you any errors? | 18:53 |
| gaelheart | no errors leftyfb | 18:53 |
| leftyfb | did it say it worked? | 18:53 |
| gaelheart | sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all --backup /var/backup/bt-dualboot | 18:53 |
| gaelheart | that backed it up | 18:53 |
| gaelheart | says [10:94:97:11:D0:8F] Logi Z407, then the next line says done.. | 18:54 |
| gaelheart | "done..." | 18:54 |
| leftyfb | then it might have worked | 18:54 |
| gaelheart | should i connect to bluetooth now? i am in ubuntu | 18:54 |
| gaelheart | or maybe just reboot | 18:55 |
| gaelheart | i already paired in windows | 18:55 |
| gaelheart | Syncing... it said. then it said done | 18:57 |
| gaelheart | that was after i gave it a backup path | 18:57 |
| iceman | hola | 18:57 |
| gaelheart | gonna reboot now and see if it connects in ubuntu | 18:58 |
| iceman | alguien que hable español¿? | 18:59 |
| tomreyn | !es | iceman | 18:59 |
| ubottu | iceman: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 18:59 |
| iceman | no hay nadie por eso preguntaba | 19:01 |
| gaelheart | rebooted into ubuntu. didnt connect | 19:01 |
| gaelheart | maybe go back to windows. re-pair and connect. then run the sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all --backup /var/backup/bt-dualboot AGAIN? | 19:01 |
| gaelheart | hmm | 19:02 |
| gaelheart | gonna try that | 19:03 |
| gaelheart | ok. i forgot then re-paired in ubuntu. then mounted the windows partion. then ran sudo bt-dualboot --sync-all --backup /var/backup/bt-dualboot1. then rebooted to windows and it connected. then i rebooted to ubuntu and it also connected. problem solved | 19:09 |
| gaelheart | Thank you. now i won't get irritated | 19:09 |
| gaelheart | thanks leftyfb | 19:11 |
| quaklork | mgedmin hey. so after transplanting my SSD to my new laptop I had a couple of reboots. The issue I described earlier that as soon as I enter my LUKS passphrase and hit AltGr+Q to create an "@" on the german keyboard layout, persists and I am stuck with VT100 pseudographics als Layout! It is a game of luck and from 10-30 reboots I manage to get the | 19:15 |
| quaklork | password working. It actually got "worse" since today as previously this only happend every other day. But now it happens like all the time. Check https://imgur.com/a/ubuntu-24-grub-luks-zfs-as-soon-as-i-enter-german-layout-altgr-q-output-switches-to-vt100-pseudographics-5rFHz6H to see some photo. Ive also tried CTRL+N and CTRL+O get out of it, | 19:15 |
| quaklork | same as ^+N and ^+O (wasnt sure if you meant that previously). Nothing helps. As workaround I now added a second LUKS passphrase that does not contain any quaklork "@" character, which works as expected and 100% of the time the new passphrase works. That is super odd behaviour. Any ideas? Or should I report a bug? | 19:15 |
| quaklork | BTW, the issue persited with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash" aswell, so I am back to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" and use plymouth in text-mode | 19:18 |
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| quaklork | mgedmin https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/plymouth-luks-passphrase-hitting-altgr-q-to-create-character-causes-vt100-pseudographic-mode/50746 | 19:41 |
| oerheks | altgr + q gives what character? | 19:54 |
| oerheks | oh, just @ | 19:54 |
| quaklork | oerheks jep just a regular "@" on german keyboard layout | 19:55 |
| oerheks | 20:15 | |
| quaklork | oerheks cant see what u typed | 20:20 |
| oerheks | just a space to see if i crashed | 20:21 |
| Square | What partition tools comes with ubuntu out of the box? | 20:33 |
| oerheks | Square, gnome-disk-utility | 20:34 |
| leftyfb | Square: server or desktop? | 20:34 |
| oerheks | and parted | 20:34 |
| leftyfb | on ubuntu 24.04 desktop there's fdisk, gdisk, parted, gparted and gnome-disk-utility | 20:36 |
| leftyfb | https://releases.ubuntu.com/noble/ubuntu-24.04.1-desktop-amd64.manifest | 20:36 |
| Square | oerheks, thanks | 20:42 |
| Square | leftyfb, desktop | 20:42 |
| Square | oerheks, does that even have proper partitioning support? Seems very basic | 20:42 |
| oerheks | so, basic, what is wrong with it? | 20:44 |
| oerheks | should it have a fancy theme? | 20:44 |
| Square | It doesn't even seem capable of creating partitions in an empty drive? | 20:47 |
| ravage | It is capable of doing that | 20:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | Square: you'll need to be more specific about what you are trying to do. The tools provided are more than capable of creating partitions. | 20:49 |
| JanC | what? | 20:49 |
| JanC | Gnome Disks? | 20:49 |
| JanC | you have to get used to it a bit, but it can do a lot indeed | 20:52 |
| quaklork | such basic questions yet human interaction wasting their time. I would suggest you do your own research Square, you received plenty information. | 20:52 |
| quaklork | gn8 and hf | 20:52 |
| Square | https://imgur.com/a/hecIgkl | 20:53 |
| Square | sorry.. i prepared an image to illustrate my issue | 20:53 |
| JanC | that wasn't very nice from quaklork... :-/ | 20:53 |
| Square | if I click the cog I only get "Format partition...", "Create partition image...", "Restore partition image..", "Benchmark partition..." | 20:54 |
| leftyfb | Square: and what feature do you feel is missing? | 20:55 |
| Square | "create partition" ? | 20:55 |
| JanC | looks like that disk has no partitioning yet; you have to go to the hamburger men at the top to create that | 20:55 |
| leftyfb | Square: use gparted | 20:55 |
| JanC | eh, no, not the hamburger menu, the one with 3 dots | 20:56 |
| JanC | "Format Disk..." | 20:56 |
| JanC | assuming they didn't change this since the version I am now looking at :) | 20:57 |
| Square | JanC, https://imgur.com/a/kzQZEF2 | 20:57 |
| JanC | no, the one with 3 dots, not the one with 3 lines | 20:57 |
| JanC | (I'm on a 22.04 system here, I hope nobody changed that, otherwise somebody else will have to check where it is) | 20:58 |
| leftyfb | use gparted | 20:58 |
| Square | I'm now using gparted | 20:59 |
| leftyfb | JanC: I don't think disks is meant to create multiple partitions | 20:59 |
| oerheks | disks can setup an empty disk | 20:59 |
| JanC | there are things Gnome Disks can't do, there are things GParted can't do, so depends what is best :) | 20:59 |
| leftyfb | right, but not create multiple partitions | 20:59 |
| JanC | yes it can | 20:59 |
| leftyfb | how? | 20:59 |
| leftyfb | https://imgur.com/a/qAJ5aiM | 21:00 |
| JanC | you have to create a partition table first | 21:01 |
| oerheks | 3 dots, make sure it is unmounted, format disk | 21:01 |
| oerheks | then you get the option GPT and such | 21:01 |
| leftyfb | ah, I see | 21:02 |
| JanC | and then you can create partitions | 21:02 |
| leftyfb | btw, it's got all the terminology incorrect | 21:02 |
| JanC | (or remove them, change them, etc.) | 21:02 |
| leftyfb | "format" is for filesystems, not partitioning | 21:02 |
| JanC | well, no, it can mean many things | 21:02 |
| leftyfb | it's actually a horrible tool for this just for that fact | 21:02 |
| oerheks | well, it is, to choose mbr/gpt | 21:02 |
| enigma9o7 | Pull request now please. | 21:02 |
| oerheks | not logical indeed.. | 21:03 |
| enigma9o7 | severity:urgent apperantly | 21:03 |
| JanC | it's all "formatting", just not formatting the file system | 21:03 |
| leftyfb | JanC: format refers to the format of a filesystem, fat32, ntfs, ext3, etc. Nothing to do with creating partitions | 21:03 |
| JanC | there is even a formatting level below that (on the disk firmware level) | 21:04 |
| leftyfb | lol | 21:04 |
| leftyfb | there hasn't been low level formatting in 20 years | 21:04 |
| enigma9o7 | low level format? | 21:04 |
| leftyfb | I used to do it | 21:04 |
| oerheks | install gparted, maybe more conveniant | 21:04 |
| enigma9o7 | good god! | 21:04 |
| JanC | some disks do have that again now | 21:04 |
| leftyfb | pretty sure that was only needed on old MFM drives | 21:04 |
| Square | What filesystem should one use in 2024 while still mostly caring about things working but not be too conservative? | 21:05 |
| leftyfb | ext4 | 21:05 |
| leftyfb | for linux systems | 21:05 |
| JanC | depends what features you want | 21:05 |
| leftyfb | "things working but not be too conservative" = ext4 | 21:05 |
| leftyfb | keep it simple unless you know you have specific needs | 21:05 |
| leftyfb | otherwise you are just creating unnecessary complications that you'll have to deal with later | 21:06 |
| JanC | BTW: if this is an OS disk, don't partition it at all & let the installer do it | 21:07 |
| leftyfb | oh man, I'm old. It's been about 30 years since we stopped low level formatting drives | 21:07 |
| leftyfb | JanC: +1 | 21:07 |
| leftyfb | Square: are you just installing ubuntu? | 21:07 |
| Square | leftyfb, no. Adding a new drive | 21:08 |
| leftyfb | for what purpose? | 21:08 |
| JanC | some modern disks allow "low-level formatting" to change sector size & wipe blocks marked as bad & such | 21:08 |
| Square | more space for all humongous modern games | 21:08 |
| leftyfb | Square: just format it as 1 ext4 partition | 21:08 |
| leftyfb | there's no benefit creating multiple partitions in this case | 21:08 |
| leftyfb | "keeping things organized" should be done with directories and/or bind mounts | 21:09 |
| Square | I always regret not partitioning disks | 21:09 |
| leftyfb | unlikely | 21:09 |
| leftyfb | how big is the drive? | 21:09 |
| Square | 2TB | 21:09 |
| leftyfb | 1 partition | 21:10 |
| Square | what if I want to boot into it | 21:10 |
| leftyfb | "[16:08:24] <Square> more space for all humongous modern games" | 21:10 |
| Square | I could try out some exotic distros | 21:10 |
| leftyfb | you didn't say you were installing an OS on it | 21:11 |
| Square | among other things. I didn't tell you about my hentai collection | 21:11 |
| leftyfb | good luck | 21:11 |
| Square | Out of 915 GB in a completely new partition, 870GB are free? What are those 45GB used for? | 21:39 |
| oerheks | some 5% is used by the system | 21:50 |
| oerheks | .. allocated by privileged processes. Reserving some number of filesystem blocks for use by privileged processes is done to avoid filesystem fragmentation, and to allow system daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non-privileged processes are prevented from writing to the filesystem. Normally, the default percentage | 21:50 |
| oerheks | of reserved blocks is 5%. | 21:50 |
| gordonjcp | Square: if your disk fills up to the point that nothing can write to it, this becomes Very Bad Very Quickly | 21:51 |
| djshadoweng | www.playdanceradio.com | 21:52 |
| gordonjcp | Square: if your disk fills up to the point that *you* cannot write to it, this remains survivable | 21:52 |
| oerheks | djshadoweng, lets not spam, thanks | 21:52 |
| gordonjcp | Square: believe it or not, you can end up in a state where there is insufficient disk space available to delete something | 21:52 |
| Square | oerheks, thanks | 21:52 |
| oerheks | !coc | djshadoweng | 21:52 |
| ubottu | djshadoweng: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is the document that spells out etiquette in the Ubuntu community | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv | 21:52 |
| Square | gordonjcp, ouch | 21:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | pretty rare to end up in a situation where you cannot delete a file from disk... usually its an issue of running out of inodes | 22:10 |
| enigma9o7 | hate running out of inodes | 22:11 |
| arkanoid | sound on ubuntu 24.04 desktop is crackling a lot. It didn't happen in 22.04 | 22:11 |
| enigma9o7 | wow, what causes that arkanoid? | 22:12 |
| arkanoid | no idea, trying solutions on the web | 22:12 |
| arkanoid | like https://askubuntu.com/a/1525337 | 22:13 |
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| djshadoweng | www.playdanceradio.com | 22:35 |
| === runelind_ is now known as runelind | ||
| djshadoweng | www.playdanceradio.com | 22:53 |
| gordonjcp | !ops djshadoweng | 22:54 |
| gordonjcp | bah, I can't remember the magic incantation | 22:55 |
| gordonjcp | !ops | djshadoweng | 22:55 |
| ubottu | djshadoweng: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant | 22:55 |
| gordonjcp | oh, no that wasn't quite it either | 22:55 |
| gordonjcp | sorry | 22:55 |
| gordonjcp | well, and they left anyway | 22:56 |
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