| garrettkajmowicz | oerheks: No luck. The only option I see is to unhide my password when typing. The upper-right corner has options to control WiFi, a bunch of accessibility options, and that's about it. | 00:01 |
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| oerheks | did you type/select your name first? then i had never any trouble with that | 00:02 |
| oerheks | gear icon in the bottom right hand corner | 00:03 |
| oerheks | it must be there | 00:03 |
| garrettkajmowicz | It didn't quite look like that. | 00:03 |
| leftyfb | oerheks: KDE uses SSDM | 00:04 |
| oerheks | kde gives a top panel? https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/1g64kh5/upgraded_from_2404_to_2410_and_my_login_window/#lightbox | 00:07 |
| CodaX | Sometimes when I log back into my computer from it logging out, Dash to Dock stops working in a way that only shows the menu icon. If I press on it, it'll open a blank grey window. I have to log back in for my desktop to work again. I'm on 24.10. | 00:18 |
| garrettkajmowicz | I rebooted/crashed again. Still no environment option at the login screen. | 00:30 |
| oerheks | hold shift or esc at boot, select in grub? | 00:31 |
| CodaX | Is there any way to defunkify the crash so I don't have to log out? | 00:42 |
| garrettkajmowicz | I tried rebooting into a previous kernel version. No display at all. I got the nvidia DKMS drivers built for that kernel and rebooted. I'm still in the same spot. | 01:05 |
| garrettkajmowicz | I'm Linux kernel currently running 5.15.0-127-generic and lsmod shows the nvidia driver loaded. But it is still acting like I'm using a framebuffer device or something. And I'm still running Gnome. | 01:06 |
| garrettkajmowicz | Should I try reverting to the 35 drivers? | 01:14 |
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| === Geronimo4 is now known as Geronimo | ||
| garrettkajmowicz | Setting sddm as the default display manager. Rebooting to see if that fixes things. | 01:18 |
| garrettkajmowicz | After way too many attempts, I reverted to the 535 Nvidia driver. I once again have KDE working and reasonable performance. | 01:59 |
| garrettkajmowicz | However, multi-monitor isn't working right. I have both monitors up and working. The mouse cursor moves smoothly between the two monitors. However, if I try and drag a window to the second monitor, it doesn't cross. | 02:01 |
| garrettkajmowicz | If I use the display settings "Identify" button to overlay the monitor name on the display, I get stuff on the first monitor but nothing for the second one. It's like the second monitor isn't there, except that the mouse cursor seems to work just fine. | 02:03 |
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| agnideer | garrettkajmowicz: does the meta + arrow key work to move windows across? | 02:21 |
| enigma9o7 | who has an old enough keyboard to have a meta key? | 02:50 |
| oerheks | nope, but i have a windows key | 02:51 |
| enigma9o7 | On keyboards that lack a physical Meta key, its functionality may be invoked by other keys such as the Windows key or Macintosh's Option key.[3] | 02:52 |
| enigma9o7 | It is more common today to use the Windows key to emulate the Super key. | 02:52 |
| enigma9o7 | software often provides another workaround, such as using the Alt key ( | 02:52 |
| enigma9o7 | but in any case, havent seen any keyboard with meta key in long long time | 02:52 |
| oerheks | https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/m/metakey.png | 02:53 |
| enigma9o7 | ◆ is usually on meta key.... | 02:53 |
| oerheks | yes | 02:54 |
| enigma9o7 | i guess ❖ is for super key but also havent seen that recently as mainly use windows keyboards | 02:54 |
| enigma9o7 | i think some linux stores even put a penguin on the super key | 02:54 |
| oerheks | not sure what the black key is used for, between alt and ctrl on the right side of the spacebar | 02:56 |
| oerheks | https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/6634a8f8dd9b2a63c9e6be83/669f51a0fb70bc843d089412_79063.image0.jpeg | 02:56 |
| oerheks | it opens a menu in hexchat | 02:56 |
| enigma9o7 | duh, thats menu key | 02:56 |
| oerheks | oh | 02:56 |
| enigma9o7 | in opens menu in enlightenment too | 02:56 |
| enigma9o7 | also sometimes functions for the same thing that requires right click witha mouse, to bring up that extra menu.... | 02:57 |
| enigma9o7 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu_key | 02:57 |
| enigma9o7 | microsoft is now adding another new key too i heard | 02:57 |
| enigma9o7 | forgot what its called tho, but maybe will end up being used as meta, or the long abandoned hyper | 02:58 |
| oerheks | yeah, and hijacking a key combos for years | 02:58 |
| enigma9o7 | does the menu key not bring up a menu on gnome by default? now i gotta boot my gnome VM to see :) | 02:59 |
| oerheks | hmmm yes | 03:00 |
| enigma9o7 | wow, does nothing. surprised, figured it'd probably bring up the app drawer thing. | 03:00 |
| === brosnaheart is now known as gaelheart | ||
| MrPirate | I have a long running ubuntu running fine here, I've been probably upgrading since v19.04. Just noticed that I have gcc-12 and gcc-14 both installed, is it safe to remove the older version? | 05:10 |
| oerheks | type in terminal; gcc -v | 05:13 |
| oerheks | at the end it shows what verion is in use.. | 05:13 |
| oerheks | i guess you can savely remove 12, just check it | 05:13 |
| MrPirate | oerheks, looks like v14 is in use, per the last line | 05:15 |
| oerheks | good | 05:15 |
| MrPirate | that's a neat command | 05:15 |
| oerheks | have fun! | 05:16 |
| MrPirate | thaaanks! | 05:17 |
| === lucenera5 is now known as lucenera | ||
| morgan-u | I discovered The Snap Store. | 08:00 |
| morgan-u | rfm thanks even if you are not here. | 08:00 |
| enigma9o7 | congratulations! although if you just found it, i think you're mistaken, it was discovered years ago | 08:00 |
| enigma9o7 | but if you're saying you're the one that originally discovered it back then, well happy to meet you. | 08:01 |
| morgan-u | enigma, living up to your name | 08:01 |
| enigma9o7 | it was an important discovery, that's for sure | 08:01 |
| enigma9o7 | i think it uses flutter now? my gpu can't handle that stuff. | 08:02 |
| enigma9o7 | not current versions of flutter anyway, tis been a while | 08:02 |
| enigma9o7 | needs that gles 3.0 | 08:02 |
| morgan-u | I tried so many times searching with the google to find a list of all the things you could install with snap. - Maybe 10 times? The Google came up with "Snap Documentation" so I tried there and Voila! I feel lucky and stupid. Andhappy. tada. | 08:03 |
| morgan-u | What is flutter. YEsterday I found a website that insisted on flash. (There are too many fish in the sea to bother with you, outdated web.) | 08:04 |
| enigma9o7 | https://snapcraft.io | 08:04 |
| enigma9o7 | Can use the website without having to use the snap-store app. | 08:05 |
| enigma9o7 | but i still thank you for your discovery | 08:06 |
| tercal | What's difference between commands; "apt autoremove" and "apt autoremove --purge", in order to clean unused/old kernels? And which way is the recommended way? | 09:02 |
| mgedmin | purge also deletes configuration files in /etc | 09:34 |
| mgedmin | and, iirc, for some packages such as databases, the prerm/postrm maintainer scripts also delete the package's data in /var when you use --purge | 09:35 |
| mgedmin | I don't think kernel packages have any configuration, and they don't have any data in /var, so --purge shouldn't affect anything | 09:35 |
| hermano | trying to append text to a file on the last line, not adding a separate line, with following command: | 10:27 |
| hermano | sed -i '$a my-text-that-should-be-part-of-last-line' myfile.txt | 10:27 |
| hermano | ..but the command adds the text onto a new line at the end. | 10:27 |
| ogra_ | hermano, sed -i '$ s/$/ foobar/g' file.txt | 10:40 |
| hermano | ogra_, thanks, get: | 10:43 |
| hermano | ogra_, sed: -e expression #1, char 33: unknown option to `s' | 10:43 |
| hermano | ogra_, my full line: sed -i '$ s/$/ --add-dynamic-module=../ModSecurity-nginx/g' nginx_configure_arguments_modified.txt | 10:43 |
| ogra_ | works fine here and in my scripts ... make sure you didnt make a copy/paste error | 10:43 |
| ogra_ | ah | 10:43 |
| ogra_ | you cant use slashes as sepator if your replacement text has a slach in it | 10:44 |
| ogra_ | *slash | 10:44 |
| ogra_ | try this: sed -i '$ s;$; --add-dynamic-module=../ModSecurity-nginx;g' nginx_configure_arguments_modified.txt | 10:45 |
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| hermano | ogra_, That works! Thanks. | 10:48 |
| ogra_ | np | 10:48 |
| hermano | I need to add arguments when running "./configure". The arguments are stored in a file since they are quite may. Can i run "./configure" and call a file with arguments content? | 10:57 |
| hermano | Like: ./configure < nginx_configure_arguments_modified.txt | 10:59 |
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| === travisghansen5 is now known as travisghansen | ||
| mgedmin | you can ./configure $(cat nginx_configure_arguments_modified.txt) | 11:43 |
| tercal | Thank you mgedmin | 11:48 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:02 |
| hermano | I have a bash script with injected variables, is there a way of exporting the bash script to a file, where I see the values or variables? I would like to do this to troubleshoot the bash script. | 13:03 |
| hermano | If the bash script says: ${name}, I would like the produced script file to have reaplace ${name}, with the names value, e.g. James. | 13:04 |
| Richard_Cavell | Hi everyone. I am using virtual box version 7.1.4 on Windows 11 I have installed ubuntu 24.10 but it is flaky. Presently, when it boot up it makes a sound effect but gives me a completely black screen. Is anyone else having trouble with this combination? | 13:04 |
| Richard_Cavell | I have tried to install 24.10 four times. | 13:06 |
| hermano | Richard_Cavell, What about using WSL and the ubuntu distro? I guess its not a fully fledge distro , but it is quite usefel. | 13:11 |
| lotuspsychje | Richard_Cavell: what you can try is launch virtualbox from terminal, and hopefully catch more errors, or keep a journalctl -f running aside | 13:12 |
| Richard_Cavell | Not a bad idea, but the last thing that I want is a flaky Linux installation. I’m going to try 24.04 and see if that works okay. | 13:13 |
| tomreyn | the issue there is usually virtualbox (+ wayland), not ubuntu | 13:16 |
| tomreyn | Richard_Cavell: virtualbox will probably be stable if you switch to Xorg | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | hermano, just add "set -x" to the top of your shell script, that will print every line as it is executed and will show the values assigned to variables along the way | 13:21 |
| Richard_Cavell | In the context of using Ubuntu, how does one switch to xorg? | 13:22 |
| lotuspsychje | logout, choose xorg on login gdm | 13:22 |
| hermano | ogra_, Thanks! I found a recommendation of "set -xe". | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | yeah, the -e will make it stop on errors | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | -x means show execution ... -u means dopnt run if there are uninitialized variables anywhere | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | many production scripzts use "set -eu" | 13:24 |
| hermano | ogra_, thanks, "set -x" work very fine for what I need right now. | 13:25 |
| Richard_Cavell | I just checked a virtual box. Virtual box only expressly supports up to 24.04. I will use the LTS version. Wish me luck. | 13:28 |
| tomreyn | Richard_Cavell: gdm (the graphical login manager) can also run on Xorg if you set (uncomment) WaylandEnable=false in its configuration file in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf | 13:55 |
| ioria | . | 13:58 |
| ioria | maybe /etc/gdm3/custom.conf | 13:59 |
| itai | hi, I have noticed htat it is difficult to hide the dock after a few moments of inactivity. it should only appear when used. How to enable this behaviour? | 14:00 |
| lotuspsychje | itai: download dconf-editor to tweak your ubuntu/dock | 14:09 |
| itai | lotuspsychje: thank you | 14:09 |
| lotuspsychje | itai: then you can tweak hide-delay value the way you want | 14:09 |
| itai | it used to be configurable through ubuntu's appearance settings. | 14:11 |
| lotuspsychje | dont recall that anymore itai | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | that was in unity ... long ago ... | 14:12 |
| lotuspsychje | aha tnx ogra_ | 14:12 |
| itai | why is it gone? | 14:13 |
| lotuspsychje | evolution :p | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | because ubuntu uses gnome now | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | in gnome the panel is an extension, not direct part of the desktop | 14:13 |
| itai | it was configurable in gnome as well | 14:13 |
| itai | I am pretty sure. | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | you can configure it in the settings of the extension | 14:13 |
| itai | ogra_: how? | 14:16 |
| lotuspsychje | itai: recent ubuntu releases have now an extensions app/icon | 14:17 |
| lotuspsychje | (where ubuntu dock will also list) | 14:17 |
| ogra_ | itai, in my 24.10 i open the extension manager ... scroll down to "ubuntu dock" and click the little gear ... | 14:18 |
| ogra_ | but i think in former releases extension-manager was not pre-installed | 14:18 |
| lotuspsychje | have it on noble here too | 14:21 |
| ogra_ | ah, yeah, it was added in 24.04 | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | before you had to explicitly install it first | 14:22 |
| Guest66 | hi all, pls why do I find airplane mode active at startup and then if I try to remove it it activates bluetooth? I only keep the cable connection turned on when I turn off the PC | 14:33 |
| Guest66 | Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS | 14:34 |
| Richard_Cavell | I will just post here for the record. Virtual box 7.1.4 expressly supports Numbat (24.04) but not 24.10. I simply went back to numbat, and it is working. | 14:36 |
| Guest66 | I also have another problem https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TmiG6S_2A-8520-0KNiye-ug1itQn9NN/view?usp=sharing | 14:39 |
| andi_ | hello can i change the size of / while i am on the live stick? | 14:45 |
| coderman1 | wondering if someone can help me with an issue with UFW. i have some rules setup to allow outgoing traffic and allow incoming traffic on certain ports. the issue im running into is the server with UFW enabled is trying to connect to postgres on port 14014 and its randomly giving me "timeout" issues...what could be causing this within UFW? | 15:01 |
| leftyfb | coderman1: allow all traffic on localhost | 15:02 |
| coderman1 | on which server? | 15:02 |
| leftyfb | andi_: yes | 15:02 |
| coderman1 | server X is trying to connect to server Y and giving random timeout errors | 15:02 |
| Guest66 | which is default e-mail client for Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS? | 15:03 |
| coderman1 | psycopg2.OperationalError: connection to server at "x.x.x.11", port 14014 failed: Connection timed out | 15:03 |
| leftyfb | coderman1: you're allowing postgres traffic between 2 hosts? | 15:03 |
| coderman1 | leftyfb, on server X a python script is running trying to connect to server Y | 15:03 |
| coderman1 | this script runs every minute, every 4-5 minutes i get this Connection timed out issue | 15:03 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest66: thunderbird snap | 15:07 |
| Guest66 | lotuspsychje it doesn't appear but i want just a basic e-mail client, i don't want mozilla products.... i just use chromium for example... isn't there a default e-mail client just for ubuntu? | 15:09 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest66: you asked for the default one | 15:10 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest66: there are plenty you can install beside thunderbird | 15:10 |
| Guest66 | lotuspsychje yes, I think, if I remember correctly that it was installed and I uninstalled it, as well as I uninstalled firefox, I use chromium. I wanted the simplest one that exists, I thought that ubuntu or perhaps one of its flavors had a basic default mail client itself belonging to the ubuntu family and not products from other companies like | 15:12 |
| Guest66 | firefox and thunderbird that mozilla makes. now I can't explain it more simply, I thought there was an integrated software like how Disks is which I think is the simplest disk manager that exists and is already preinstalled and is specific to the ubuntu operating system | 15:12 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest66: why does it need to be default for you? | 15:14 |
| ogra_ | so you trust goopgöle more than mozilla with your data ? that's kind of funny ... | 15:14 |
| ogra_ | 15:14 | |
| andi_ | leftyfb: how? | 15:14 |
| lotuspsychje | installing additional software isnt really hard Guest66 | 15:14 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:15 |
| leftyfb | andi_: https://howtoubuntu.org/how-to/resize-partitions-with-the-ubuntu-or-gparted-live-cd/ | 15:15 |
| Guest66 | lotuspsychje sorry for my english, i thought there was a basic client installed on ubuntu that was ubuntu's own and not other brands, that's all. like an integrated client like the disk manager or the calendar, the image viewer and so on | 15:15 |
| leftyfb | andi_: make sure you have backups first | 15:16 |
| lotuspsychje | we understand what you mean Guest66 | 15:17 |
| leftyfb | Guest66: there isn't | 15:17 |
| Guest66 | leftyfb lotuspsychje another famous, simple, basic, small and open source email client which is it? I don't know about it, like on my smartphone I use the default one on android. I need it for basic use, I don't need many options and complicated things | 15:20 |
| leftyfb | Guest66: use thunderbird | 15:21 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest66: https://forwardemail.net/en/blog/open-source/ubuntu-email-clients#email-client-comparison | 15:21 |
| andi_ | leftyfb: thanks :) | 15:24 |
| leftyfb | andi_: make sure you have backups first | 15:25 |
| Guest66 | evolution is the defautl for a flavour of ubuntu but i dont' remembre which flavour | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | it used to be the default for the main ubuntu distro ... but was dropped in favour of thuinderbird | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | i dont think any flvour uses it anymore | 15:26 |
| Richardcavell | Hi everyone. I just want to update on my trouble installing Ubuntu 24.10 on Virtual Box 7.1.4. I installed 24.04 instead, and it's working perfectly. I imagine at some point VBox may be able to support 24.10, but not yet, obviously. | 15:27 |
| Guest66 | pls how to use again my external hd? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TmiG6S_2A-8520-0KNiye-ug1itQn9NN/view?usp=sharing | 15:27 |
| lotuspsychje | Richardcavell: why do you keep repeating this over and over? | 15:27 |
| Richardcavell | lotuspsychje, I am incrementally succeeding at installing Ubuntu. I'm worried that at some point I may become unable to log in here. | 15:28 |
| leftyfb | Richardcavell: incrementally? | 15:29 |
| Guest66 | a few weeks ago I had the same problem, they told me on this chat to disable the switch in mounting options from the Disks application and everything worked, now it doesn't work doing the same thing | 15:30 |
| Richardcavell | leftyfb, I get further each time I wipe and reinstall | 15:30 |
| Guest66 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CeZvgc1piYSWJOM9p7DLhXitnsMm01oh/view?usp=sharing | 15:30 |
| leftyfb | Richardcavell: why not just stick with the LTS? | 15:31 |
| Richardcavell | Well it's the only one that is not borked. | 15:31 |
| Richardcavell | I'm running on 24.04 LTS right now. | 15:32 |
| Richardcavell | It's as solid as a rock. | 15:32 |
| leftyfb | Richardcavell: great, stick with that | 15:32 |
| jp_ | any idea why my nfc reader gives a segmentation fault? | 15:47 |
| khadas | what is this | 16:18 |
| coderman1 | this is the internet | 16:19 |
| oerheks | 🐭 | 17:30 |
| SuperLag | netplan is making me crazy | 17:30 |
| SuperLag | Default was DHCP on install, and I'm trying to change it to static. What I end up with is *TWO* IPs. The statically assigned one, AND the original DHCP assigned one. | 17:32 |
| leftyfb | SuperLag: how many files do you have in /etc/netplan/ ? | 17:32 |
| SuperLag | two... the one I created "01-netcfg.yaml" and "50-cloud-init.yaml" | 17:32 |
| leftyfb | there ya go | 17:33 |
| SuperLag | but I had also created another file to tell the cloud-init configuration to stop | 17:33 |
| SuperLag | I thought that would have done it | 17:33 |
| leftyfb | delete all the files in /etc/netplan/ except the one with the configuration you want to keep | 17:33 |
| SuperLag | that didn't fix the issue | 17:35 |
| leftyfb | reboot | 17:35 |
| leftyfb | it'll fix it | 17:35 |
| SuperLag | no it won't | 17:35 |
| SuperLag | I already did | 17:36 |
| leftyfb | you rebooted after deleting all of the files in /etc/netplan/ except the one with the valid configuration? | 17:36 |
| SuperLag | correct | 17:36 |
| SuperLag | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YdHy3vZRYq/ | 17:36 |
| leftyfb | reboot | 17:37 |
| leftyfb | it will fix it | 17:37 |
| SuperLag | It's not fixing anything. I've rebooted multiple times. | 17:39 |
| SuperLag | ping -c 3 google.com results in "ping: google.com: Temporary failure in name resolution" | 17:39 |
| SuperLag | AFTER REBOOTING for the 3rd time | 17:39 |
| SuperLag | <facepalm> | 17:41 |
| SuperLag | wrong route | 17:41 |
| SuperLag | leftyfb: that brings up another question though... | 17:42 |
| SuperLag | one of the steps I went through was to write "network: {config: disabled}" in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-disable-network-config.cfg | 17:43 |
| leftyfb | SuperLag: ok, so rebooting did fix the problem. The problem being that you had a static ip and dhcp assigned ip. You did not originally state the inability to resolve/ping public addresses as being another, unrelated problem | 17:43 |
| leftyfb | SuperLag: don't do that | 17:43 |
| SuperLag | no? | 17:44 |
| SuperLag | ugh | 17:44 |
| SuperLag | https://linuxconfig.org/netplan-network-configuration-tutorial-for-beginners <- that's what I was following | 17:44 |
| SuperLag | I was looking for a netplan example | 17:44 |
| leftyfb | just stick with 1 config file | 17:45 |
| rfm | leftyfb, if one does not disable cloud-init, then it's going to write the 50-cloud-init.yaml back in, making it impossible to "just stick with 1" | 17:46 |
| leftyfb | remove cloud-init | 17:47 |
| SuperLag | massive hammer, tiny nail | 17:47 |
| leftyfb | nope, it's just a package | 17:47 |
| SuperLag | that doesn't seem like a good approach | 17:47 |
| leftyfb | unless you're actively utilizing cloud-init, it serves no purpose | 17:47 |
| rfm | I've found the easiest thing to do is give the custom netplan yaml file a number greater than 50 so it overrides the cloud-init one, and be sure to include dhcp4: no in the custom config | 17:49 |
| leftyfb | also, I just spun up an ubuntu 22.04 server from scratch, modified /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml and rebooted. My changes were left intact | 17:50 |
| leftyfb | removing cloud-init will also speed up your boot time a bit | 17:50 |
| leftyfb | I also created a new file in /etc/netplan/ and rebooted. It took my changes and left the changes in the original cloud-init file | 17:53 |
| leftyfb | it's just easier to remove the cloud-init package if you're not using it | 17:53 |
| leftyfb | I remove it as one of the very first steps in all of my ansible playbooks both for work and personal | 17:53 |
| === brosnaheart is now known as gaelheart | ||
| wolfbane | hi everyone | 18:47 |
| neachdainn | This is probably an incredibly ignorant question. I'm stuck on Ubuntu 20 and I want to use a library that is packaged for 22 but not 20 (abseil). I'm _pretty sure_ it will install without complaint, I just am having trouble figuring out how to download it without pointing my Apt at the entire 22 repo. Any advice? | 18:49 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: why do you say you are stuck on ubuntu 20? | 18:50 |
| neachdainn | leftyfb: Because my boss says I'm stuck on Ubuntu 20. He says that because we're using ROS1 and don't want to migrate to something else quite yet | 18:51 |
| ravage | you better are not stuck too much longer. support ends in April 2025 | 18:51 |
| enigma9o7 | neachdainn: you could just download it from packages.ubuntu. com/org cant remember | 18:51 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: ROS1 works on 22.04 just fine | 18:51 |
| enigma9o7 | The better way to do it would be to backport it from source package, just in case, but if it installs without any dependencies from newer OS, shouldn't cause you any problems if you don't. | 18:52 |
| enigma9o7 | ravage: technically, thats end of "standard support" they could go Pro :) | 18:53 |
| neachdainn | ravage: One would hope. Our best-case scenario has us using ROS1 for at least another year. | 18:53 |
| ravage | from what i hear from that boss spending money on security is not a thing | 18:53 |
| neachdainn | enigma9o7: Yeah, I'm having trouble finding that URL. I've managed to download a `*.debian.tar.xz` but I've been unable to get Apt to recognize it as a normal package even after uncompressing. So maybe I'm just being thick. | 18:54 |
| enigma9o7 | No. | 18:54 |
| enigma9o7 | You can download the packaged version. What is the package name itself (doesn't appear to be abseil) ? | 18:55 |
| neachdainn | leftyfb: Does it? Are you just pointing an Ubuntu 22 install at the normal ROS repos? | 18:55 |
| neachdainn | enigma9o7: We're definitely not going Pro. The package itself is `libabsl-dev` | 18:55 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: we don't use the ROS repo's :) | 18:55 |
| neachdainn | ravage: We're currently in the "produce a product in order to survive, security can come in a couple of quarters" phase of a startup | 18:56 |
| enigma9o7 | ah, well dev package gunna make it more likely to have depencies... often the runtime non dev pacakge... but anyways here's the link: | 18:56 |
| enigma9o7 | http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/a/abseil/libabsl-dev_0~20210324.2-2_amd64.deb | 18:56 |
| neachdainn | leftyfb: So you're using the Ubuntu packaged ROS packages? Last time I tried those (a couple years ago, I think) they didn't work very well so I've been writing them off ever since | 18:57 |
| enigma9o7 | to find it, just search for that packdage on pacakges.ubuntu.com then click download libadsl-dev and select amd64 package, then you get a list of mirrors | 18:57 |
| neachdainn | enigma9o7: Thanks! I'll try it out and see what happens | 18:57 |
| enigma9o7 | (packages.ubuntu.com i typo earlier) | 18:57 |
| enigma9o7 | I would cd /tmp; wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/a/abseil/libabsl-dev_0~20210324.2-2_amd64.deb; sudo apt install ./lib*.deb | 18:58 |
| enigma9o7 | then see if it compalins about missing dependencies.... | 18:58 |
| candlejack | I've got a zfs pool that's got a legacy mountpoint but I can't figure out where the damn thing is actually being mounted - I don't see any reference to zfs in 'mount' or in /etc/fstab. Can anyone recommend me a place to look? | 18:58 |
| ioria | neachdainn, this is a ppa (20.04 included) : https://launchpad.net/~savoury1/+archive/ubuntu/build-tools ; but my feeling is that it would cause troubles | 18:58 |
| enigma9o7 | savoury PPAs can certainly cause conflicts, been there done that. | 18:59 |
| enigma9o7 | he changes a LOT of stuff, i believe he has disclaiamers about dont ever use any other PPA with mine, etc etc. | 18:59 |
| neachdainn | ioria: Thanks for the link, but I'd probably just package it myself before I trust a random PPA | 18:59 |
| enigma9o7 | neachdainn,did the jammy package install okay on focal, or missingsomethiing? | 19:00 |
| neachdainn | enigma9o7: It was missing the non-dev package (as expected), so I'm looking to see if that one has dependencies. I'm willing to go one deep but that's it | 19:02 |
| oerheks | why not building it yourself ? https://github.com/abseil/abseil-cpp | 19:03 |
| neachdainn | enigma9o7: Apparently `libc` is just ever so slightly out-of-date and I'm not going down that rabbit hole | 19:04 |
| neachdainn | oerheks: I can, I just wanted to see if I had to first. | 19:04 |
| enigma9o7 | yep, so that means, gotta backport it | 19:05 |
| oerheks | if you find libc out-of-date, upgrade to 22.04 or higher? | 19:05 |
| oerheks | i doubt 20.04 gets much attention for ROS | 19:05 |
| neachdainn | Nothing gets much attention for ROS1 - it's EOL in four months | 19:06 |
| neachdainn | I've never had much success using the Ubuntu packaged ROS but if leftyfb says it works, I'll give it another try | 19:06 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: I never said we used the ubuntu ROS packages | 19:07 |
| candlejack | Another ping for anyone who can help me with a very beginner zfs problem | 19:07 |
| neachdainn | True. I asked and didn't see an answer so I assumed. | 19:07 |
| enigma9o7 | candlejack, you have to describe the problem or your message is useless. dontasktoask.com | 19:07 |
| candlejack | enigma9o7: I asked it about 10 minutes ago upthread but here it is for clarity: "I've got a zfs pool that's got a legacy mountpoint but I can't figure out where the damn thing is actually being mounted - I don't see any reference to zfs in 'mount' or in /etc/fstab. Can anyone recommend me a place to look?" | 19:08 |
| enigma9o7 | but based on what you said, i suggest, read the manual or web search for tutorials | 19:08 |
| enigma9o7 | that seems like best thing for beginner | 19:08 |
| oerheks | candlejack, type 'sudo zfs get all rpool |grep mountpoint' | 19:09 |
| candlejack | so no you can't assist, appreciate the attempt anyway! | 19:09 |
| candlejack | thanks oerheks | 19:09 |
| oerheks | or just 'mount'... | 19:09 |
| === ericus6 is now known as ericus | ||
| nfcdroid | hi, i have a laptop dell latitude 5550 with built in nfc module | 19:10 |
| nfcdroid | when i do pcsc_scan it shows the adapter | 19:10 |
| nfcdroid | but when i do nfc-list it shows no nfc devices | 19:10 |
| nfcdroid | with pcsc it also doesn't detect the card | 19:10 |
| NewtonSanta | does ubuntu have any apps for dealing with the sensation of unrequited love? | 19:11 |
| nfcdroid | is this a permissions thing? | 19:11 |
| nfcdroid | and if so, where would i look | 19:11 |
| candlejack | oerheks: the "mountpoint" property value is "legacy" but the "mounted" value is "no" so wherever it thinks it should be mounted it's not lol | 19:12 |
| water_27300935_ | I download Ubuntu-MATE RaspberryPi image from ubuntu-mate.org, and ensure the file checksum validated, then use etcher to flash the image to TF card, flash process is done, but verify not pass. | 19:15 |
| water_27300935_ | https://www.imgbly.com/ib/0DCCFP4OcO | 19:16 |
| water_27300935_ | I try 32bit and 64bit image file, several times, both fail. | 19:17 |
| oerheks | water_27300935_, if you do this on ubuntu, try https://snapcraft.io/rpi-imager/ | 19:18 |
| oerheks | if the check after write fails, use a new memory card | 19:18 |
| oerheks | candlejack, so it seems not to be mounted. there is also #zfsonlinux here on #Libera | 19:19 |
| candlejack | thanks I'll take my question there | 19:19 |
| JanC | candlejack: the 'mount' command should show where a ZFS filesystem is mounted | 19:24 |
| === juwain_9 is now known as juwain | ||
| ash_worksi | oerheks: you said the other day you recommend Startup Disk Creator over `dd` for uefi. Were you saying that because people who use `dd` often do not have their media formatted in FAT32, so the image gets burned but it doesn't work on the target system? | 19:35 |
| ash_worksi | (I think it was oerheks anyway) | 19:35 |
| ravage | because the tool was made exactly for that usecase | 19:36 |
| candlejack | JanC: unfortunately as I said it's not in mount. I believe that's because I'd set it up as a backer for lxd which takes exclusive control over zfs pools, so I'm going to split the pool into a reasonable size and then use the new pool | 19:36 |
| oerheks | IIRC the dd copy does not get into UEFI mode automaticly | 19:37 |
| ash_worksi | oerheks: so an improperly burned drive would just fail to start altogether; that was the reasoning behind your recommend, right? | 19:39 |
| ash_worksi | oerheks: just making sure I'm on the same page | 19:39 |
| oerheks | it would do the legacy mbr method on an empty drive? | 19:40 |
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| enigma9o7 | when you dd to the entire drive, it doesn't matter what you formatted at before, it will get overwritten | 19:40 |
| enigma9o7 | if you dd to a partition tho, yeah sure, but that's now how you should write an installer iso anyway | 19:40 |
| enigma9o7 | oerheks: isnt the installer "hybrid-iso" meanning it should boot mbr or eufi? | 19:41 |
| ravage | i think the hybrid part on that just means it boots from USB and a real CD | 19:42 |
| === WastedGymMembers is now known as DntBuyGymPlan | ||
| ravage | or probably DVD really | 19:42 |
| enigma9o7 | Ah ok, think you're right actually based on some quick search results. | 19:45 |
| oerheks | i think for UEFI it needs an EFI partition? | 19:45 |
| ash_worksi | okay, so, tell me if I am correct; the concern is that dd will not make a uefi-compatible boot disk by default; iiui, uefi is the subsystem on the machine you're booting, and for IT to boot your image, it needs a FAT32 drive and the concern is that dd does not produce a FAT32 drive by default.. or does FAT32 have nothing to do with the concern? | 19:46 |
| enigma9o7 | I think fat32 has nothing to do with it. You want ISO9660 filesystem, which is what the iso will be. | 19:48 |
| ash_worksi | so, does the dd concern relate to oerheks' previous partition comment? | 19:48 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: "dd" does "raw writing", it can write a master boot sector with whatever you give it, it can write whatever to whatever, is just raw writing, and OS agnostic | 19:48 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: what are you trying to do anyway? | 19:49 |
| ravage | https://superuser.com/questions/1353671/run-efi-files-scripts-from-boot-virtual-media-iso/1357260#1357260 | 19:49 |
| ravage | This outlines the general process | 19:50 |
| ravage | So you add the fat/efi partition to your iso | 19:50 |
| oerheks | ah, then it gets detected automaticly | 19:51 |
| ash_worksi | bprompt: I was encountering various oddities when booting from USB the other day which I produced using dd; just poking around for information, I asked oerheks if he recommends Startup Disk Creator; he said yes for uefi systems, so I thought I'd look into why he qualified it that way. That was before oerheks knew I booted the image (successfully?) in the first place, so it was probably a moot point | 19:52 |
| ash_worksi | `(successfully?)` because there were various irritating errors... sometimes there would be no network connection, I was never able to get any browser to work even when I did have connectivity... it was, annoying. | 19:53 |
| nfcdroid | it's annoying because the usb nfc reader works | 19:53 |
| nfcdroid | but i want the built in one to work | 19:53 |
| nfcdroid | it shows up in pcsc_scan so ubuntu sees it | 19:53 |
| nfcdroid | but it doesn't detect cards when i tap it | 19:54 |
| nfcdroid | worked fine in windows | 19:54 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: hmmm the Linux ISO file, is a hybrid bootable disk, it can do MBR-DOS or it can do UEFI, I think it checks the system first if it's using a GPT filesystem or not, and based on that runs on UEFI or MBR-DOS | 19:55 |
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| ash_worksi | bprompt: those are mutually exclusive, right? | 19:57 |
| ash_worksi | maybe a dumb question | 19:57 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: yeap, they're mutually exclusive | 19:58 |
| bprompt | keeping in mind that MBR-DOS is from the Mesozoic Era, so some around still, but mostly phased out these days, machines from the last 15 years I think, have been UEFI mainly, with Legacy CMOS support | 20:00 |
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| === juwain8 is now known as juwain | ||
| danel1 | Hi there, we upgraded some of our ubuntu servers (22.04) from linux kernel 5.15.0-126 to 5.15.0-127. After the update we see critical issues with our firewalls and get the following exception: ip6tables-restore v1.8.7 (legacy): unknown option "--nflog-prefix" - reverting to 126 fixes the issue. This leads to no firewall rules beeing applied after a reboot, which is also quite critical in case of security. Any other reports yet about this | 20:48 |
| danel1 | issue? | 20:48 |
| tomreyn | danel1: i can't immediately spot any related reports at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/ - i suggest filing a bug and tagging it as regression | 20:51 |
| tomreyn | danel1: this said, ip6tables-restore doesn't seem to be available in ubuntu 20.04 or other current releases | 20:54 |
| webchat25 | hey this is a showcase 4 people that dont know irc nice to meet u all can someone explaine what this chat is meant for THX allot | 20:54 |
| bprompt | hmmm | 20:54 |
| bprompt | danieli: was wondering myself if maybe you also ask the guys at #ubuntu-server | 20:55 |
| enigma9o7 | This chat is meant for Ubuntu Linux user-to-user support. Type /topic to see channel topic. | 20:55 |
| tomreyn | !#ubuntu | 20:55 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 20:55 |
| webchat25 | wow thanks for the fast response | 20:55 |
| danel1 | tomreyn thanks for the fast reply - well it's part of iptables with ubuntu-server 22.04 | 20:57 |
| danel1 | but yeah, maybe i'll ask @ ubuntu-server if the channel is alive | 20:57 |
| danel1 | but iptables hasn't changed and the regression is only in combination with -127 | 20:58 |
| danel1 | and the nflog stuff is part of the linux kernel (linux-5.15.0.orig/net/netfilter/xt_NFLOG.c) | 20:59 |
| danel1 | and it seems there have been quite some changes between 126 and 127 | 21:00 |
| oerheks | danel1, maybe it get fixed with the HWE kernel, current 6.8.0-49-generic #49~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed Nov 6 17:42:15 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux on Ubuntu | 21:05 |
| oerheks | !hwe | 21:05 |
| ubottu | The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack | 21:05 |
| danel1 | maybe yeah, but tbh that is not a real "fix" | 21:07 |
| leftyfb | danel1: using the latest and recommended kernel isn't a real fix? | 21:09 |
| danel1 | well the "normal", not HWE kernel should be stable too and should bring a breaking change like this in a patch release.. don't you think? | 21:10 |
| leftyfb | danel1: If you'd like a proper fix, then report a bug. Noting whether or not the HWE kernel fixes the issue would also be helpful information to put into the bug report | 21:11 |
| candlejack | What's the best way to share significant numbers of files between different Ubuntu servers? Is it still nfs? | 21:19 |
| candlejack | Specifically I want to store audio on one server and access it from several other in a standard client/server model | 21:20 |
| leftyfb | candlejack: depends on your requirements | 21:20 |
| ash_worksi | is ext1 preferred as storage format for the OS? | 21:22 |
| candlejack | leftyfb: from the client it's mostly reads, limited writes. Mostly LAN although some systems come in on a VPN | 21:22 |
| leftyfb | ash_worksi: no | 21:23 |
| ash_worksi | is it preferred for anything? | 21:23 |
| leftyfb | candlejack: then I would use cifs | 21:23 |
| candlejack | ash_worksi: I don't think people have used ext1 at all in the 20th century | 21:24 |
| leftyfb | ash_worksi: why are you asking about ext1? | 21:24 |
| candlejack | leftyfb: thanks | 21:24 |
| oerheks | man ext1 | 21:24 |
| oerheks | No manual entry for ext1 | 21:24 |
| candlejack | s/20th/21st | 21:24 |
| ash_worksi | hm. it was the default option when making partitions during installation | 21:24 |
| oerheks | ash_worksi, you are not on ubuntu then 🤪 | 21:24 |
| candlejack | lol | 21:24 |
| candlejack | Must have been back when Deb was still dating Ian | 21:24 |
| ash_worksi | oerheks: I am; and the install was ubuntu too | 21:24 |
| candlejack | ash_worksi: where did you get that installer? | 21:25 |
| ash_worksi | I didn't complete it though, I stopped at partitions | 21:25 |
| ash_worksi | candlejack: ubuntu.com | 21:25 |
| leftyfb | ash_worksi: which release? Can you show a screenshot of the options to format? Why can't you just stick with all the defaults? | 21:25 |
| candlejack | I recall Warty defaulting to like ext2 or ext3 back in the day so I think you might be misremembering | 21:25 |
| oerheks | ash_worksi, no, you are on windows 3.11 | 21:29 |
| riccardosusca | Hi, my name is Riccardo, do you all help develop Ubuntu? | 21:31 |
| candlejack | riccardosusca: no I think most of us don't | 21:32 |
| oerheks | support yes, developers usually do not hang out on irc | 21:32 |
| oerheks | but in a wide sense, support and helping file a proper bugreport helps development too | 21:33 |
| candlejack | At least not on the #ubuntu channel. Developers are in specific channels for their projects and tools | 21:33 |
| riccardosusca | Can you help me understand what you are doing here? | 21:33 |
| bprompt | hmmm | 21:33 |
| candlejack | riccardosusca: some of us ask for help, others give help | 21:33 |
| riccardosusca | ok | 21:34 |
| candlejack | riccardosusca: why do you ask? | 21:34 |
| bprompt | riccardosusca: why you ask anyway? are you looking for developers? there's an #ubuntu-devel channel , so you know | 21:34 |
| tomreyn | danieli: i was looking for iptables6-restore at https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy§ion=all&arch=any&keywords=iptables6-restore&searchon=contents but nothing was found | 21:34 |
| riccardosusca | I'm considering joining the Italian Ubuntu development group to give my contribution and I'm learning about ways to communicate in the Ubuntu world | 21:35 |
| oerheks | riccardosusca, lurk in here, and have fun! | 21:36 |
| bprompt | riccardosusca: what type of contribution is it? as I said, there's a #ubuntu-devel channel in the network :) | 21:37 |
| oerheks | and more https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList | 21:37 |
| riccardosusca | tks oerheks | 21:41 |
| ash_worksi | oof, okay, I'll boot it up again and see what the default is; leftyfb 24.04; because I just loaded this machine like 6 months ago without partitioning it; now it wont boot so I am reinstalling and cant seem to move forward without wiping and I had just put a ton of pictures on there, so I'd like to, this time around, separate out a partition for files I don't want to bleach when reinstalling the OS | 21:45 |
| jStefan | you can probably fix boot problems without having to reinstall | 21:46 |
| leftyfb | ash_worksi: reinstall from scratch and restore from backup | 21:46 |
| leftyfb | separating the partitions isn't really going to make life easier | 21:46 |
| leftyfb | and that ^ | 21:46 |
| === brosnaheart is now known as gaelheart | ||
| ash_worksi | sorry, I've been meaning ext4 this whole time. | 21:50 |
| ash_worksi | leftyfb: not sure what you mean by restore from backup. I can't boot the drive that has the files I want on it; my options during reinstall are erase everything or partition. So I'm partitioning... am I thinking about this wrongly? | 21:52 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: eh? ISO installs to ext4 by default | 21:52 |
| ash_worksi | jStefan: I don't think I get to a point where fixing is possible | 21:52 |
| bprompt | hmm | 21:53 |
| leftyfb | ash_worksi: if the files on that drive are the only copy, then they weren't important to begin with | 21:53 |
| ash_worksi | leftyfb: they are both those things | 21:54 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: you can run a LiveUSB session from the bootable stick, using the "try ubuntu" button, and it'll load a full desktop, and mount your HDD, from where you can put a usb-stick and transfer all files you want | 21:54 |
| leftyfb | ash_worksi: you could also boot the system with a live usb and copy the "important" files off to a proper backup | 21:54 |
| jStefan | ash_worksi, the approach normally goes something on the lines of: Try to capture errros or logs of why it doesn't boot, boot with USB, and while in the live environment perform the fixes or changes needed to make it boot. | 21:54 |
| ash_worksi | jStefan: ah, okay, well I can try that then | 21:55 |
| jStefan | starting with capturing the errors or logs, so we can point you in the right direction | 21:55 |
| ash_worksi | jStefan: I'll have to come back on that | 21:55 |
| ash_worksi | leftyfb: I am interested on your idea of a "proper backup" -- do you have an resources you can suggest for me on that? | 21:56 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: keep in mind, that if you can just back things up, a reinstall on an SSD takes around 20 minutes max, unless you have something you really need to have running specifically, like a server would, troubleshooting it can take longer than 20 minutes | 21:56 |
| leftyfb | ash_worksi: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/the-3-2-1-backup-strategy/ | 21:57 |
| ash_worksi | bprompt: yeah, that was my original idea | 21:57 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: how much data are we talking about? 50Gbs? more? | 21:58 |
| ash_worksi | bprompt: I don't really know. < 500GB | 21:58 |
| wolfbane | hi everyone | 21:58 |
| jStefan | looking at errors and logs, even if you decide to skip repairing the install, is still a good idea. #1, it could avoid the same thing happening again, #2 it could detect a problem before it becomes bigger later, etc. | 21:59 |
| ash_worksi | bprompt: more than 128 GB | 21:59 |
| ash_worksi | part of the reason I was asking about partitions in general was thinking about using zfs and snapshotting | 21:59 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: well, hell just use a usb-stick, FYI you can get usb-sticks that are up to 1TB in capacity, I have a 512Gbs myself, just around $30USD | 21:59 |
| ash_worksi | dunno if that really helps with anything and I heard btrfs is quite similar (albeit a bit more complex?) | 22:00 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: hmmm and why would you want BTRFS? | 22:02 |
| leftyfb | ash_worksi: btrfs/zfs are not backup solutions | 22:05 |
| ash_worksi | I haven't read the 3-2-1 thing yet, but snapshotting sounds like a desireable thing for data you don't want to loose. (although, that may just be a cutting-your-losses-at-a-certain-point sort of thing anyway); I haven't read enough about it yet, but supposedly it's an efficient medium in some capacity | 22:05 |
| ash_worksi | again, I just kinda stopped when presented with partitioning options. | 22:05 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: ext4 is very efficient at data loss prevention, I may be wrong, but last I checked the "journaling system" in ext4 is a very efficient one | 22:10 |
| bprompt | more so than other filesystems | 22:10 |
| ash_worksi | bprompt: okay. 👌 | 22:11 |
| bprompt | ash_worksi: hmmm the "don't fix till broken" rule applies here | 22:13 |
| === pascal_ is now known as Guest6728 | ||
| Guest6728 | hppt | 22:15 |
| jStefan | the one thing a file system can struggle with, is a bad disk. That's really going to put any recovery system on trial. Until you replace the bad disk | 22:16 |
| ash_worksi | jStefan: good point. Though the HDD is fairly new; maybe something happened to it. | 22:17 |
| ash_worksi | I'll keep that in mind | 22:18 |
| jStefan | there's some simple tests that can be done. A lot of them are even read-only tests | 22:18 |
| jStefan | any unspotted hardware problem can cause a lot of nightmares until finally found, faulty memory is a tricky one | 22:20 |
| ash_worksi | I'll have to come ask you more questions when I have it connected and live booted | 22:23 |
| Guest66 | hi all pls my external hd doesn't work anymore https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TmiG6S_2A-8520-0KNiye-ug1itQn9NN/view?usp=sharing | 22:28 |
| oerheks | Guest66, what filesystem? | 22:30 |
| Guest66 | oerheks ntfs | 22:30 |
| bprompt | hmmm | 22:31 |
| Guest66 | previous time i had similar problems someone here told to switch off that button | 22:31 |
| Guest66 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CeZvgc1piYSWJOM9p7DLhXitnsMm01oh/view?usp=drive_link | 22:31 |
| oerheks | use ntfsfix for thet? | 22:32 |
| bprompt | Guest66: we ARE talking about a Linux installation on an external USB HDD plugged to a 5V usb port, right? | 22:32 |
| oerheks | ntfsfix /dev/sdb1 | 22:32 |
| Guest66 | bprompt no, just external hd fot data storage | 22:33 |
| Guest66 | oerheks are there any risk for data? | 22:33 |
| oerheks | oh, you might need to install it first, install ntfs-3g | 22:33 |
| oerheks | you might want to run chkdsk on windows, to be sure | 22:33 |
| oerheks | but this tool is used a lot | 22:34 |
| Guest66 | i don't have any pc with windows | 22:34 |
| Guest66 | which tool? | 22:34 |
| enigma9o7 | I'd plug it into a windows sytem (if you have one) let it do its check, then eject it properly before trying again | 22:34 |
| enigma9o7 | probably you uunplugged it while it was mounted in windows | 22:34 |
| oerheks | install ntfs-3g, ntfsfix is part of that | 22:34 |
| jStefan | why did you opt for a ntfs file system ? | 22:34 |
| Guest66 | do i find it on ubuntu software? | 22:35 |
| oerheks | yes, sure | 22:35 |
| enigma9o7 | Ya, jstefan makes a valid point, if you aren't using it with windows, ntfs makes no sense at all. if you have data backup, just reformat it exfat. | 22:35 |
| enigma9o7 | (and that'll work fine with windows too anyway) | 22:35 |
| jStefan | or ext4 :) | 22:35 |
| Guest66 | they are my external hds i already have before using ubuntu | 22:36 |
| enigma9o7 | ntfs is slow with linux | 22:36 |
| Guest66 | oerheks i don't find it on ubuntu software | 22:36 |
| enigma9o7 | ext4 will not work fine with linux, and is not as convenient for portable storage due to ownership and user stuff.... | 22:36 |
| enigma9o7 | errr will not work fine with windows! | 22:36 |
| oerheks | !info ntfs-3g | 22:36 |
| ubottu | ntfs-3g (1:2022.10.3-1.2ubuntu3, noble): read/write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Built by ntfs-3g. Size 397 kB / 1,288 kB. (Only available for linux-any, kfreebsd-any.) | 22:36 |
| Guest66 | enigma9o7 someone told me that ext4 works only with ubuntu | 22:37 |
| JanC | using exfat makes no more sense than using NTFS IMO (unless you have to exchange with other OS) | 22:37 |
| jStefan | the plan here is to use tools to check for fs errors, preferably window's own checkdisk but the tools on the ntfs-3g package can be an alternate. and 2nd I would check the disk itself for errors too | 22:38 |
| JanC | and recent kernels don't need ntfs-3g & thus aren't slow for NTFS | 22:38 |
| bprompt | Guest66: ext4 works with any *nix or Unix Variants OS | 22:38 |
| enigma9o7 | ext4 is in the linux kernel, should work with any linux distro. | 22:38 |
| enigma9o7 | so someone told you wrong | 22:38 |
| enigma9o7 | janc: exfat is fast, ntfs is slow | 22:38 |
| enigma9o7 | ntfs doesnt properly use journaling under linux, exfat does | 22:39 |
| enigma9o7 | your statement is jus tplane wrong. | 22:39 |
| JanC | exfat has no journalling support... | 22:39 |
| enigma9o7 | using exfat makes way way way more sense than using ntfs. there is no possible argument for using ntfs for portable storage on a linux system. | 22:39 |
| enigma9o7 | unless you just want to waste your time, and run into locked drives, etc. | 22:39 |
| enigma9o7 | plain | 22:40 |
| jStefan | still, first approach is getting their disk read again, and then they can worry about if they want to change the FS :) | 22:40 |
| enigma9o7 | janc: right, and neither does ntfs under linux! so that's not a reason to use ntfs, which mighta been the reason you could have suggested if you didnt care about speed | 22:40 |
| oerheks | so why cant you install ntfs-3g? | 22:40 |
| enigma9o7 | Well, if they can just reformat it, would avoid the problem, but as mentioned, only if they have the data backed up. | 22:41 |
| bprompt | Guest66: so you have linux installed in an internal HDD, and when you plug in your external usb HDD on ntfs, it comes up with that error, right? | 22:41 |
| Guest66 | I use ntfs because I was told that it is compatible with linux and windows while ext4 is only compatible with linux, so if I have to connect it to a windows pc I need it. Sorry if I can't follow all your speeches, there are a lot of technical terms, I'm a basic user | 22:42 |
| Guest66 | bprompt yes | 22:43 |
| Guest66 | oerheks i don't understand what should i do, because i can't find it in ubuntu software the app center | 22:43 |
| jStefan | you need to run the tool ntfsfix that is part of the "ntfs-3g" package. you can try installing that via the command line using: sudo apt install ntfs-3g | 22:44 |
| oerheks | sudo apt install ntgs-3g | 22:44 |
| Guest66 | can i find it on ubuntu software? | 22:45 |
| oerheks | ... | 22:45 |
| bprompt | Guest66: hmmmm ok, then you did the right thing, yes, if you want to have it connect to a windows machine, ntfs would work, exFat would also work btw or even Fat32 too, hmmm then as enigma9o7 said, the HDD is locked because you unplugged it prematurely whilst in windows, so the fix will be using what oerheks suggested | 22:45 |
| JanC | probably | 22:45 |
| enigma9o7 | but anyways, i do understand we are digressing, they just want to access what they have, so hopefully oerheks solution works! | 22:47 |
| JanC | if this happened in Windows it's probably best to fix it in Windows | 22:47 |
| Guest66 | no, i don't use it on windows since several years | 22:47 |
| oerheks | ntfsfix /dev/sdb1 | 22:47 |
| oerheks | you need to do that in terminal too | 22:47 |
| bprompt | Guest66: you could try replugging it to the windows machine again, and run a "chkdsk" on it, you can do that in windows by right-clicking the HDD in "disk management" | 22:47 |
| oerheks | if he had a windows machine 🤪 | 22:48 |
| bprompt | nope, but he plugs it to a windows machine | 22:48 |
| JanC | in Ubuntu Software 'ntfs-3g' might be known as "NTFS driver for FUSE" | 22:48 |
| oerheks | <Guest66> i don't have any pc with windows | 22:48 |
| JanC | or something similar | 22:48 |
| oerheks | come on | 22:48 |
| JanC | but I would be surprised if it isn't already installed | 22:48 |
| oerheks | maybe it is, JanC | 22:49 |
| Guest66 | excuse me, often i wrong in using terminal, can i do this operation by gparted that is already installed? | 22:49 |
| Guest66 | JanC i can't find it | 22:49 |
| enigma9o7 | which operation are you trying to do? install a package? no you cannot install packages from gparted. | 22:49 |
| enigma9o7 | you could use synaptic for that. | 22:49 |
| oerheks | avoiding help .. | 22:50 |
| jStefan | command line tools are easier for sharing what's happening, and usually report more information than graphical tools. | 22:50 |
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| enigma9o7 | I havent followed, has ubuntu always installed ntfs-3g or have they done a release with ntfs3? | 22:51 |
| JanC | when ntfs-3g is installed then doing a filesystem check in GParted or Gnome Disks would probably run ntfsfix | 22:51 |
| JanC | so that will probably work... | 22:51 |
| bprompt | enigma9o7: don't think so by default installation, you have to install it, or a package may as a dependency | 22:51 |
| bprompt | though it runs on a liveUSB session, since it can access ntfs drives | 22:52 |
| JanC | ubuntu-standard seems to depend on ntfs-3g, so I'm pretty sure it's installed by default | 22:53 |
| JanC | :) | 22:53 |
| Guest66 | Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS | 22:53 |
| Guest66 | oerheks i'm not avoiding help, often i did disaster using terminal | 22:54 |
| Guest66 | JanC i already have both disks and gparted | 22:54 |
| bprompt | jStefan: whilst I agree, the CLI can be, not always, more verbose, it may not be what JoeSixPacks may prefer | 22:54 |
| Guest66 | synaptic in this version of ubuntu Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS, isn't already installed as it was for previous version of ubuntu? | 22:54 |
| Guest66 | anyway, i installed synaptic, searched for ntfs-3g, it's already installed | 22:56 |
| bprompt | hmm | 22:56 |
| JanC | in Gnome Disks you can select the disk & filesystem, then in the gears button menu there is an option "Repair filesystem..." | 22:57 |
| bprompt | Guest66: from what I notice, JanC is correct, ntfs-3g is installed by default, I just checked and "ntfsfix" does run on the terminal, so you already have it | 22:57 |
| Guest66 | JanC it says is dangerous for data loss | 22:58 |
| enigma9o7 | what is "it" in this case, guest66? | 22:59 |
| Guest66 | previous time i solved by switching off that button at the top https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CeZvgc1piYSWJOM9p7DLhXitnsMm01oh/view?usp=drive_link | 22:59 |
| JanC | if you have enough disk space to make an image of the disk you can do that first... | 22:59 |
| JanC | also in Gnome Disks | 22:59 |
| bprompt | Guest66: how big is that external HDD? | 22:59 |
| JanC | repairing a disk can always cause data loss | 22:59 |
| Guest66 | after i used my hd and put that button switched on and hd was continuing to work | 22:59 |
| jStefan | if you want to check it with graphical tools, and don't have access to MS Windows, I believe Gnome Disks to be the best choice | 22:59 |
| Guest66 | bprompt 1,5 TB | 22:59 |
| bprompt | Guest66: and is hmm half-full? | 23:00 |
| JanC | although if it is just because you pulled it without unmounting first, data loss is quite uncommon | 23:00 |
| Guest66 | enigma9o7 the app disk says that it may be cause data loss | 23:00 |
| enigma9o7 | but needing a fsck in such cases is common | 23:01 |
| enigma9o7 | if it was in the middle of writing something | 23:01 |
| Guest66 | bprompt even more than hald | 23:01 |
| Guest66 | half | 23:01 |
| enigma9o7 | Guest66 thanks, understood. | 23:01 |
| Guest66 | JanC i always unmount it and after i use the second command "remove safely" | 23:01 |
| JanC | it is always common even when not writing, because NTFS is marked as "dirty" when it's mounted | 23:01 |
| bprompt | Guest66: hmmm btw, how did it go bad? power outtage? | 23:02 |
| JanC | Guest66: maybe you forgot once, or there was a power loss? | 23:02 |
| Guest66 | what mean "BTW"? | 23:02 |
| JanC | "by the way" | 23:02 |
| Guest66 | no, i never forgot, no power loss | 23:03 |
| JanC | anyway, if you have the disk space elsewhere to store a 1.5 TB image you can do that | 23:04 |
| JanC | and in the future make sure you have a backup | 23:04 |
| JanC | of important things | 23:04 |
| bprompt | Guest66: so is not biggie, it was just a premature unplug, the "warning on data loss" is just a clarification that it is a possibility, it comes with the territory on some scenarios, but this isn't a power outtage or anything big that I can tell, so you'd be ok | 23:04 |
| oerheks | bitrot | 23:05 |
| oerheks | often with new drives, or after 5 years | 23:05 |
| Guest66 | i have a back up on the second hd, but some file are different because this is the first hd where i do update of new file or editing, i can't copy each time all data from the first to the second one | 23:05 |
| JanC | Guest66: how important are the differences? | 23:07 |
| bprompt | Guest66: also bear in mind that HDD hardware failure can also be possibility of the lack of access | 23:07 |
| Guest66 | JanC very important, i update important files and documents | 23:07 |
| JanC | and you can't recreate them? | 23:08 |
| Guest66 | JanC no because they has been editing, i don't remember each change | 23:08 |
| Guest66 | in them | 23:08 |
| bprompt | Guest66: hmmm Rsync is your friend for those cases, if the data is too important, rsync it | 23:09 |
| JanC | do you have 1.5 TB diskspace free on another disk? | 23:09 |
| Guest66 | i just thinked if it exist a software that syncronize data in both hds automatically, but i need more time to search for it and understand how to do even if it's possibile | 23:09 |
| Guest66 | JanC i don't know but how to use image if i can't access hd? | 23:10 |
| JanC | what do you mean not access the HDD? | 23:10 |
| enigma9o7 | in case the file repair damages stuff and you wanna try to recover it another way | 23:11 |
| JanC | you wouldn't see an option to repair the filesystem if you can't access the disk... | 23:11 |
| JanC | you don't need access to the files on it to make an image | 23:12 |
| oerheks | rsync and grsync as gui | 23:12 |
| bprompt | Guest66: go ahead with the ntfxfix, warning and all, worse case scenario it won't unlock it, but is not going to set it on flames either | 23:12 |
| Guest66 | ok but i don't even know what is an image and how to manage it | 23:12 |
| Guest66 | isn't there a safier solution? | 23:13 |
| oerheks | yes, windows chkdsk | 23:13 |
| bprompt | Guest66: safer than ntfsfix? | 23:13 |
| jStefan | trying it on windows would probably be safer | 23:13 |
| JanC | you can make an image in Gnome Disks; it's just a copy of the entire disk | 23:14 |
| bprompt | Guest66: there are a few other options, yes, but you haven't tried ntfsfix yet :) | 23:14 |
| JanC | jStefan: you mean, if Windows breaks things we can blame it on Microsoft? :P | 23:14 |
| Guest66 | jStefan ok i need someone who lend me a pc with windows :-( | 23:15 |
| bprompt | I mean, is not going to set the HDD in flames like a Xmas tree | 23:15 |
| jStefan | Bill Gates specifically xD | 23:15 |
| oerheks | maybe this happens due to full moon..no? | 23:15 |
| bprompt | Guest66: tried ntfsfix yet? | 23:16 |
| Guest66 | anyway, i like to much using ubuntu because is simplier than windows, the same thing for basic user i do on ubuntu with less the half of time i do them on windows that is unnecessarily complicated and full of poorly organized options | 23:16 |
| bprompt | hmmm | 23:16 |
| jStefan | well, the ubuntu (graphical) way to do it, is probably using Gnome Disks | 23:17 |
| bprompt | Guest66: I take an exception to that, I use both, and Windows isn't so convoluted or any different than other OSes UI wise | 23:17 |
| Guest66 | I just don't understand why there are these compatibility problems with the HDs that sometimes get blocked. They told me that Ubuntu is also made to read NTFS and I keep them in NTFS because when I have to connect them out of necessity to others that are almost all Windows, I don't have problems | 23:17 |
| JanC | I would just try "Check filesystem" & then "Repair filesystem" in Gnome Disks, possibly after making an image first if the data is really important and you can't even take 1% risk | 23:18 |
| bprompt | Guest66: there may be a way for you to run windows in your machine, but you haven't even tried ntfsfix yet, so | 23:18 |
| Guest66 | anyway last time it was unlocked by turning off the switch in mount options from gnome disks, but I don't remember if I changed any other settings among the various ones present in the window | 23:21 |
| Guest66 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CeZvgc1piYSWJOM9p7DLhXitnsMm01oh/view?usp=drive_link | 23:21 |
| enigma9o7 | Whoever "They" is is your problem. | 23:21 |
| oerheks | so what are you going to do now? | 23:22 |
| bprompt | Guest66: tried ntfsfix yet? | 23:22 |
| Guest66 | enigma9o7 excuse for my english, i don't remember who, just asking information.... anyway hds works even with NTFS, the only problem is that i have to cut/paste some file to desktop maybe because the path is too long | 23:22 |
| bprompt | or are you still in "venting mode"? | 23:22 |
| Guest66 | bprompt I'm not in vent mode, sorry for the slowness with which I have to respond to multiple people at the same time because I have to continuously go through the translator to understand and write, my English is not that good | 23:24 |
| JanC | bprompt: that is not a 0% risk thing to do | 23:24 |
| enigma9o7 | NTFS works under linux, yes, but not well, and windows can lock the drives on you. Nobody in their right mind would reccommend using NTFS for external storage for multpile OS. exfat, yes. Even fat32 would make more sense. | 23:24 |
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| Guest66 | enigma9o7 but does windows read ext4? | 23:25 |
| bprompt | JanC: right, but is not a 90% risk either | 23:26 |
| JanC | fat32 on a 1.5 TB disk is a pretty bad idea | 23:26 |
| enigma9o7 | No, it does not. | 23:26 |
| enigma9o7 | So that is not an option at all worth considering obviously, thats worse solution than ntfs | 23:26 |
| bprompt | Guest66: nope, the choice of ntfs for what you want, is not a bad choice, is not a great one, but is not bad either | 23:26 |
| bprompt | Guest66: the issue, is not the use of ntfs, so much as the lack of tools for it | 23:27 |
| Guest66 | so i have to format in exfat? | 23:27 |
| oerheks | wsl2 does, i read ... the horror | 23:27 |
| JanC | Guest66: there used to be an ext3 driver for Windows, I'm not sure it still work | 23:28 |
| bprompt | Guest66: well, concern yourself first in getting it unlocked, then take it from there | 23:28 |
| JanC | but it is not installed by default of course | 23:28 |
| Guest66 | bprompt u'r talking about exfat? | 23:30 |
| JanC | the risks of running a Check & then (if necessary) a Repair on the NTFS filesytem in Gnome Disks are probably less than 1%, but not absolutely 0 | 23:30 |
| enigma9o7 | the extX drivers for windows i thought were read only anyway | 23:30 |
| JanC | enigma9o7: they were not (but when I used them Windows 2k & WinXP were still common :) | 23:31 |
| bprompt | Guest66: hmm nevermind the CSIT crash course for now, give a whilr to ntfsfix, yes, exFat is a better choice for data sharing, and Fat32 isn't bad either, is less desirable, but would work | 23:31 |
| enigma9o7 | guest66, you dont have to format in exfat. ntfs does work with linux. it'll just be slower and windows can lock it. exfat will be fast, work on linux, macos, windows, its free open source in the kernel, not a fuse driver, etc. | 23:31 |
| Guest66 | JanC ok thanks I don't feel like risking it, sometimes it has unlocked itself after a few days, or I don't know if I have to try that mounting option with the switch I put the image of or if I have to try to restart with the HD connected or I don't know and is there any other possible attempt to make it unlock | 23:32 |
| JanC | your screenshot is in Italian, I'm not sure I understand exactly all what is in it... | 23:32 |
| Guest66 | bprompt I don't remember who, but I think they told me that exfat was not compatible with windows, or I got confused with ext4 | 23:34 |
| JanC | exfat is from Microsoft | 23:34 |
| JanC | originally | 23:34 |
| enigma9o7 | exfat was designed by microsoft to replace fat32, its certainly comppatible with windows | 23:34 |
| bprompt | Guest66: right, that'd be odd, since exFat was originally implemented by Microsoft | 23:34 |
| Guest66 | enigma9o7 I don't know what driver "fuse" means | 23:34 |
| enigma9o7 | fat32 has various limitations, the one most commonly mentioned is 4GB filesize limit | 23:35 |
| jStefan | the point is exfat was designed open source, ntfs was reversed engineered | 23:35 |
| enigma9o7 | guest66: just means its not built into kernel, its add on. | 23:35 |
| bprompt | Guest66: hmm nevermind the CSIT lingo, nevermind fuse for now | 23:35 |
| bprompt | Guest66: and so, what are we trying? | 23:36 |
| Guest66 | JanC if i remember well, i just switched off the button at the top | 23:36 |
| bprompt | Guest66: well, you can forget that now, that's not working this time :| | 23:36 |
| Guest66 | i just don't know and just don't remember if i changed any option in that windows | 23:37 |
| bprompt | Guest66: and so, what are we trying? anything? is ntfsfix off the table? | 23:38 |
| Guest66 | mount at the start up can be useful? | 23:40 |
| Guest66 | in english the window is similar to this https://images.app.goo.gl/zNnJFFEnSA5sn3iq8 | 23:40 |
| Guest66 | just previous version i guess | 23:40 |
| bprompt | Guest66: good, well, clearly that's not an option right now | 23:41 |
| bprompt | Guest66: so, no ntfsfix for you? | 23:41 |
| bprompt | I mean, just asking, so we can hop on to other choices | 23:41 |
| oerheks | install mint? | 23:42 |
| Guest66 | bprompt i have fear to lose data | 23:42 |
| oerheks | you already lost it. | 23:42 |
| bprompt | Guest66: so does everyone | 23:42 |
| bprompt | yeap, like oerheks said, you're afraid to lose the data you already lost | 23:42 |
| enigma9o7 | well that wa sthe reason to make a backup before you try ntfsfix, if you have somewhere to store a disk image | 23:43 |
| JanC | if you have 1.5 TB available disk space somewhere you can make a copy of the disk before trying to repair the filesystem | 23:43 |
| Guest66 | oerheks no, the other time it unlocked and everything was the same as I left it, there must be some problem reading the external HDs, I don't know if it depends on the fact that they are NTFS or compatibility with Ubuntu, but the other time it started working again and everything was the same as I left it | 23:43 |
| JanC | that will take a long time though | 23:43 |
| enigma9o7 | if ntfsfix doesnt work, you can send that image into data recovery service, for a few grand can probably get what you want off it | 23:43 |
| bprompt | Guest66: that said, any recovery tool will give that warning as some type of "disclaimer", or "heads up", so you know is part and parcel of the process | 23:44 |
| enigma9o7 | guest66: likely everything will be fine as soon as you run ntfsfix too | 23:44 |
| JanC | you can do data recovery yourself for free :) | 23:44 |
| Guest66 | JanC copy by creating an image? | 23:44 |
| enigma9o7 | the chance of data loss is not high or something, and if anything it'd likely be one corrupted file or something. | 23:44 |
| enigma9o7 | it just means its possible | 23:44 |
| enigma9o7 | i mean fsck runs automatically on bootup whenever I shutdown by "simulated power failure". | 23:45 |
| enigma9o7 | something about inodes, etc | 23:45 |
| enigma9o7 | just spews a page of nonsense text during boot, but otherwise all is well. | 23:45 |
| bprompt | Guest66: forget the other time, yes, when you first installed Linux is worked fine too, that was then, this is now, so many reasons why it remounted before, doesn't mean you're facing the same glitch today | 23:45 |
| JanC | Guest66: if that makes you feel more sure and you have the available disk space... (I probably won't do it, but it's not my data so I can't really judge how important it is) | 23:45 |
| JanC | enigma9o7: all is fine because your filesystem has journaling | 23:46 |
| JanC | enigma9o7: did you ever use ext2 ? :) | 23:46 |
| enigma9o7 | Not on my own system, nope. I didn't just say no cuz the possibility exists I used it without paying attention on someone elses system.... | 23:47 |
| bprompt | Guest66: forget "imaging", that's what JanC is hmmm suggesting, you can, you may not know how to do it, and even then, it requires extra storage, imaging works best when done on a working system | 23:48 |
| JanC | bprompt: huh? | 23:48 |
| Guest66 | JanC so much important | 23:49 |
| bprompt | works good for backups, but I get it, I don't think it'd be feasible here | 23:49 |
| Guest66 | If I try to reboot with the HD connected, could it unlock when I reboot? | 23:49 |
| JanC | bprompt: of course it requires extra storage to make an image, but when you have one you can always put it back when something went wrong with the repair | 23:50 |
| bprompt | Guest66: try, sure, no guarantees, chances are hmm 10% it'll work | 23:50 |
| JanC | and it's fairly easy to make one with Gnome Disks | 23:50 |
| bprompt | JanC: been there, done that, many times, yes, hmmm in this case, seems unfeasible though | 23:51 |
| JanC | Guest66: it has the same risks as running a check in Gnome Disks | 23:51 |
| Guest66 | but what does the image consist of? I mean, I've never used these things, I don't even know what they are and how they work, how to use them, I've always moved, copied, pasted, regarding data movements, passages, transfers etc., I don't know how to do anything else | 23:52 |
| JanC | it's a byte-by-byte copy of the entire filesystem | 23:52 |
| JanC | copied into a file | 23:53 |
| Guest66 | ok, here are almost 1.00 o' clock, i'll go to sleep tomorrow i'll try rebooting, maybe i will wait some days if it should unlock itself as it did several weeks ago | 23:54 |
| JanC | that's why it takes a long time & so much diskspace | 23:54 |
| Guest66 | after i try create image if i'm able to | 23:54 |
| bprompt | Guest66: well, if you want a crash course on "imaging", we can slap one together, but in this case I don't think is the major concern, later maybe | 23:54 |
| Guest66 | thanks for the help | 23:55 |
| Guest66 | have a nice day | 23:55 |
| kerim | hello | 23:55 |
| JanC | the reason to do it now is because that way you have a copy of the current state of the file system (including the error state), just in the tiny chance repairing it makes things worse | 23:56 |
| Guest66 | JanC ok so i try to start it now, and if it needs much time, i leave it working into the night | 23:58 |
| JanC | you must have enough diskspace for it though | 23:59 |
| JanC | elsewhere | 23:59 |
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