| bynarie | Does anyone use irc anymore? | 00:27 |
|---|---|---|
| oerheks | thousands, why? | 00:27 |
| bynarie | oerheks, i have not been around for a while. i wasnt sure if it is still popular | 00:58 |
| b3t10-1 | not alot of people some are on other platforms like Discord | 01:12 |
| === esj4 is now known as esj | ||
| damian | ola | 01:20 |
| VisStokje | blub blub | 01:21 |
| VisStokje | me is a fish | 01:21 |
| b3t10-1 | ola | 01:23 |
| VisStokje | hola | 01:25 |
| === gschanuel45 is now known as gschanuel | ||
| === antonispgs7 is now known as antonispgs | ||
| === ryuu2 is now known as ryuu | ||
| tacomaster | How can a snap over write a .deb version install during an apt upgrade? | 01:56 |
| tacomaster | It has even reinstalled the snap version of firefox which was not even installed as I installed the one from the mozilla ppa | 01:58 |
| ogra_ | it's the other way around ... the deb version installs the snap, it isnt the snap "overwriting" the deb version | 02:02 |
| ogra_ | seems you didnt set up proper pinning when you set up the PPA | 02:02 |
| ogra_ | so you got the firefox deb from the archive .... which only installs the snap | 02:02 |
| Tayster | Hello I have a question about my ubuntu pc and don't know if this is the place to ask can I ask anything here or do I need to go to specific channels to ask certain things thanks | 02:40 |
| ubunuru | I can help you, whats wrong? | 02:40 |
| ubunuru | see I am UBUNURU! >< | 02:41 |
| ubunuru | add a T and there's no difference | 02:41 |
| ubunuru | I can help you with anything... dont be afraid to speak freely | 02:42 |
| ubunuru | dont mind my humor | 02:42 |
| Tayster | Hello i shut my pc off because it was foze acouple times but now it won't load into ubuntu even if I select it on the boot menu. It opens into initramfs i started a fsck on /dev/sda2 with the flags -f and -y it looks like it's having trouble reading every section of the disk since it is a hdd of 740mb I assume this is going to take a verry verry long time. I'm wondering what my options are to do this more speedy or a diffrent way ot | 02:48 |
| ubunuru | you just enter nomodeset on your grub command line, to the kernel, and then you can boot right into your desktop environment | 02:50 |
| ubunuru | it's likely that a recent update, broke your formerly working install, which is actually very typical on many distros unfortunately | 02:51 |
| Bashing-om | ^ FUD ! | 02:51 |
| ubunuru | so you'll simply have to fix the update that just broke your computer, by using an older kernel, and possibly reinstalling your graphics driver | 02:53 |
| Tayster | When i said I powered it off weird I meant i physically pressed the computers power button untill it turned off btw i juat wonder if I corrupted the disk by doing that | 02:53 |
| ubunuru | if you know what version of ubuntu you are using, you can find useful advice about your situation from other people who have experienced the same as you | 02:53 |
| ubunuru | it could be, in rare scenarios | 02:54 |
| Tayster | Oh ok ill look into the grub command line | 02:54 |
| ubunuru | if you were just doing major upgrades of some sort | 02:54 |
| ubunuru | moving large amounts of files | 02:54 |
| ubunuru | immediately prior to doing so, then yes | 02:54 |
| ubunuru | the most important thing you can do, is learn how to disable automatic updates... | 02:57 |
| ubunuru | that thing must be like, automatically breaking thousands of ubuntu users desktops, similarly to your situation | 02:58 |
| ubunuru | "unattended-upgrades" | 03:00 |
| ubunuru | you gotta do sudo systemctl disable unattended-upgrades | 03:00 |
| ubunuru | then you'll never get an update that breaks your entire operating system | 03:01 |
| Tayster | Oh thank you | 03:01 |
| ubunuru | you have to do it manually then, preferably not until after updates have had time to be used by other people, and issues worked out | 03:01 |
| Bashing-om | Tayster: As you have had to shut the system down hard - It could have left the file system in an inconsistent state - running fsck on the file system is a good thing. Show us from a liveUSB- in a pastebin what the target is - ' sudo fdisk -lu ' . | 03:02 |
| Tayster | I've used the sudo systemctl command several times for retating stoping and updating the ssh server when I was setting it up. Learning how to do that was a learning curve. I like that my pc did thus because I learn something new from every problem I have with ubuntu mistakes speed up the learning process by forcing you to do things you normally wouldn't or never think of thanks for ur help I didn't even know about nomodeset and gett | 03:04 |
| Tayster | Bashing-om should I stop the current fsck and do it on a Bootable usb instead? | 03:06 |
| Bashing-om | Tayster: Disregard "nomodeset" - usefull as graphical work-a-rounds. No bearing on this; to this time. | 03:06 |
| Bashing-om | Tayster: If you are running fsck while the partition is mounted --- no can do --- as it is then a moving target that can not be fixed. | 03:08 |
| === jimmyb73 is now known as jimmyb7 | ||
| oerheks | Tayster fix your connection, thanks | 04:35 |
| oerheks | fresh kernel update yay | 05:10 |
| doom_ | l | 05:35 |
| doom_ | ubuntu? | 05:35 |
| oerheks | ubuntu? | 05:35 |
| doom_ | pos | 05:35 |
| enigma9o7 | Your question needs more words. | 05:36 |
| doom_ | itive | 05:36 |
| enigma9o7 | Lotta questions here have that word in it. | 05:36 |
| doom_ | best question how to fix ubuntu | 05:36 |
| enigma9o7 | you'll need to describe what's broken | 05:36 |
| doom_ | nothin its perfect! | 05:37 |
| oerheks | we need more info, what ubuntu verion and problem | 05:37 |
| doom_ | complimenting the os sirs | 05:37 |
| oerheks | ubuntu runs fine here, for a decade | 05:37 |
| doom_ | could you goto a terminal | 05:39 |
| doom_ | type this real fast | 05:39 |
| doom_ | man man | 05:39 |
| enigma9o7 | always a good place to start | 05:39 |
| enigma9o7 | Unfortunately, there is no manual entry for woman. | 05:40 |
| enigma9o7 | Yikes I might get in trouble for that, sorry, that wasn't appropriate. | 05:40 |
| doom_ | haha | 05:40 |
| oerheks | !offtopic | 05:41 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 05:41 |
| l00py | difference between ubuntu 24.10 and 24.0.1? | 06:11 |
| l00py | 24.04.1 | 06:11 |
| oerheks | get the changelog for 24.10 ? | 06:13 |
| oerheks | !changelog | 06:14 |
| ubottu | changelogs for Ubuntu packages can be found on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com | 06:14 |
| Guest74 | heyo | 06:20 |
| makara | hi. My computer would not boot to the page decrypting my disk after updating to 6.8.0-51. So I reverted to 6.8.0-48. What now? I don't want to hold it back forever | 06:32 |
| === ancientz0 is now known as ancientz | ||
| makara | no worries. ChatGPT is even killing irc ;) | 07:07 |
| enigma9o7 | Well, you could wait, or file a bug report if one doesn't exist already. | 07:08 |
| oerheks | pin that kernel? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/718969/ubuntu-22-04-restrict-kernel-upgrade | 07:08 |
| enigma9o7 | Also, its bedtime in the americas and early morning in europe, not the busiest time on irc in general makara | 07:09 |
| enigma9o7 | How do I get applications to open maximized? Firefox opens maximized, but most everything else that I close while maximized comes back windowed... | 07:10 |
| moo3 | I have that too =/ try to windowed it to the max and then close and reopen the app | 07:11 |
| makara | americans sleep? | 07:12 |
| oerheks | there used to be a gnome extention for that | 07:13 |
| oerheks | automaticly apply F11 | 07:13 |
| === powersurge36047 is now known as powersurge3604 | ||
| enigma9o7 | well f11 is fullscreen isn't it, i meant maximized window... | 07:13 |
| enigma9o7 | and not all apps use f11 either do they, thats not a window manager command so the app would have to do it, no? | 07:15 |
| enigma9o7 | isn't it supposed to restore windows the way you close them automatically already? I found it odd it isn't automatic , nor can I find a related setting (or extension now you mention it) | 07:16 |
| oerheks | yes it should.. | 07:18 |
| oerheks | sorry for mixing up full screen/max | 07:18 |
| makara | `sudo apt-mark hold linux-image-6.8.0-51-generic` will only hold back this kernel, which is the one I had trouble with. If I have trouble with further kernels I will consider logging an issue | 07:24 |
| enigma9o7 | Also it seems it is completely ignoring "NoDisplay=true" in desktop files and putting them in the app grid anyway. | 07:26 |
| enigma9o7 | ok maybe im wrong about that, just takes time for it take effect? | 07:36 |
| pavel | hello | 08:05 |
| Guest27 | hello | 08:27 |
| oerheks | :-) | 08:28 |
| Guest27 | my system doesnt start i have always: failed to start default target: Transaction for graphical.target/start is destructive (emergency.target has `start` job queued but 'stop' is included in transaction) | 08:30 |
| Guest27 | how can i fix that? | 08:31 |
| oerheks | sounds like an entry in Fstab is missing, did you put an externald rive in there? | 08:34 |
| oerheks | c/drive | 08:34 |
| arifendronugroho | ٱلسَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُمْ | 08:47 |
| Guest27_2 | my entry is: https://bpa.st/7RSA | 08:50 |
| Guest27_2 | looks it good? | 08:51 |
| oerheks | turn on that externa drive? | 08:51 |
| oerheks | or remove it from fstab? | 08:51 |
| Guest27_2 | no another partition | 08:51 |
| Guest27_2 | in my hdd | 08:52 |
| oerheks | that looks oke.. not sure why it is failing | 08:52 |
| oerheks | i think this is the whole message ? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2498730&p=14195066#post14195066 | 08:52 |
| Guest27_2 | Yes | 08:54 |
| oerheks | try exit and check that xfs partition? | 08:55 |
| oerheks | https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/xfs_check.8.html | 08:56 |
| Guest27_2 | the partition is ok | 08:56 |
| Guest27_2 | i can mount is manual | 08:57 |
| Guest27_2 | "sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/extra_data/" works, and i can access it as usual | 08:58 |
| === mrpond2 is now known as mrpond | ||
| Guest27_2 | but 'sudo mount -a' outputs: "mount: /mnt/extra_data: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda4, missing codepage or helper program, or other error." | 09:11 |
| Guest27_2 | blkid output about the partition is: /dev/sda4: UUID="ca084a00-00c7-4b89-982d-eeabbf285460" BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="xfs" PARTLABEL="extra_data" PARTUUID="794b860a-f279-4f64-b57c-3d2a1a1e9ab2" | 09:19 |
| Guest27_2 | "sudo mount UUID=ca084a00-00c7-4b89-982d-eeabbf285460 /mnt/extra_data" works | 09:22 |
| Guest27_2 | hmpf none is a invalid option for xfs filesystems xD | 09:25 |
| Guest27_2 | i have replaced it with defaults and it works :D | 09:26 |
| zwik | My Ubuntu 24.04 LTS installation thinks my resolution is 2048x1536 (4:3), however the actual screen resolution is 1920x1080 (16:9). The weird thing is, that when the 2048x1536 resolution is selected, it looks good on the screen, but when I move my mouse to the bottom and right side of the screen, there's more desktop that I can't see. when I select the correct resolution (1920x1080) I notice the same | 09:40 |
| zwik | behavior on the bottom and left side but also it looks squished together. How can I solve this? This happens during the installation of Ubuntu LTS. Also I'm on a Sony Vaio laptop with a NVidia GT330 graphics card. I don't need the official nvidia drivers, nouveau would be okay as well. | 09:40 |
| zwik | I also tried adding video=1920x1080 as kernel argument in Grub during boot, that doesn't seem to help either. That seems to boot the installation in 2048x1536 and gives the same behavior as above. | 09:46 |
| zwik | Also, I remember that older installations do work. I'm not sure what has been changed though. | 09:49 |
| === tomreyn_ is now known as tomreyn | ||
| zwik | I just verified, LTS 22.04 comes up with a wrong resolution as well, LTS 20.04 does give me the correct resolution. | 10:34 |
| oerheks | on what videocard/driver? | 10:34 |
| oerheks | have you tried to reset your monitor with its own menu? | 10:35 |
| zwik | During installation, not sure which driver is used there. In the laptop is an nvidia GT300M. I'm using the build in screen of the laptop | 10:35 |
| zwik | GT330M* | 10:36 |
| oerheks | lshw -c video # see driver part | 10:36 |
| zwik | On 22.04 the driver is nouveau | 10:37 |
| oerheks | ohm that 300m was supported by the 340 driver, now gone in noble/24.04 | 10:38 |
| oerheks | use the nouveau driver | 10:38 |
| zwik | I'm pretty sure, the nouveau driver is used in 22.04 and 24.04 as well, Will flash a driver with 24.04 again to verify | 10:39 |
| oerheks | ubuntu-driver list # gives all drivers available | 10:40 |
| oerheks | but not for yours | 10:40 |
| zwik | I'm not sure what you're saying. In LTS 22.04, the nouveau driver is used as well. ubuntu-drivers list does list nvidia-340 but that is not what is actively used right? Again, during installation. I don't think the installation uses the nvidia-340 drivers? | 10:42 |
| zwik | lshw -c video says the nouveau driver is used in LTS 22.04 | 10:43 |
| zwik | During the installation of 24.04 when I open a terminal and type lshw -c video it doesn't say anything about a driver, it does on 22.04 | 10:52 |
| zwik | ubuntu-drivers doesn't list anything where on 22.04 it only listed the nvidia-340 | 10:52 |
| zwik | I'm not sure how to check which video driver currently is used during the installation of 24.04 | 10:53 |
| oerheks | maybe you need sudo lshw -c video | 10:54 |
| oerheks | yes, the 340 is gone, but it sounds like you better file a bugreport | 10:54 |
| oerheks | !bug | 10:54 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 10:54 |
| zwik | ah, lsmod lists the nouveau driver being used | 10:55 |
| zwik | It might be a bug in nouveau/kernel? I notice the same behavior in Arch as well. | 10:56 |
| oerheks | yes, so a bugreport might help others & distros too | 10:56 |
| tomreyn | zwik: i'm not certain about this, but i'd expect all live / installer systems to not use the nvidia driver themselves | 10:56 |
| tomreyn | zwik: a change that may have been introduced, though, is whether xorg or wayland is used | 10:57 |
| zwik | tomreyn: I agree! I'm fine to use the nouveau driver. The 340 driver is not supported anymore and I'm fine with that :) . I just want my resolution to be working :) | 10:57 |
| tomreyn | sure, that's understandable | 10:57 |
| zwik | I'll file a bugreport | 10:58 |
| tomreyn | the "env" command (run in a terminal emulator, ctrl-alt-t) should give away which graphics server is being used | 10:58 |
| zwik | tomreyn: which env var should I be looking for? | 10:59 |
| tomreyn | XDG_SESSION_TYPE | 11:00 |
| oerheks | env | grep XDG_SESSION_TYPE | 11:00 |
| zwik | X11 on 24.04 | 11:00 |
| oerheks | as expected.. | 11:00 |
| tomreyn | okay then no need to check the others | 11:00 |
| tomreyn | maybe 24.10 switches to wayland there | 11:01 |
| Guest27_2 | and is X11 still available? | 11:02 |
| tomreyn | i think (not really sure there) 20.04 to 24.04 use wayland by default but will switch to Xorg if an nvidia GPU is detected | 11:02 |
| zwik | for filing a bug report ubuntu-bug is advised. It expects a buggy-package-name as argument, what package name should I use in this case? | 11:02 |
| tomreyn | X11 is still available in all supported releases | 11:02 |
| oerheks | ubuntu-bug nouveau | 11:02 |
| zwik | thanks all! | 11:03 |
| zwik | I can't do that during installation? | 11:04 |
| zwik | because it doesn't actually crash? | 11:05 |
| oerheks | no, wait until you finished and rebooted | 11:05 |
| backuppc | i am asked to take backup of the files stored is a windows file server...... My plan is to mount the windows shared folder on the linux box and use rsync......Gnome will be too resource hungry .....is lubuntu good for this? | 11:05 |
| oerheks | lubuntu/mate/xubuntu will do, or server | 11:06 |
| backuppc | oerheks Dont want a headless....The issue is all ubuntu variants are supported for only 3 years | 11:07 |
| Guest27_2 | but new proprietary nvidia works still with wayland (nouveau has bugs i believe) | 11:07 |
| oerheks | nouveau gets better every update | 11:08 |
| oerheks | hence the drop of 340 | 11:08 |
| Guest27_2 | depends on which features you use | 11:09 |
| oerheks | that GT300m is from mid 2010 | 11:10 |
| zwik | The laptop is ancient indeed | 11:22 |
| === alucardromero9 is now known as alucardromero | ||
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:40 |
| oerheks | !cookie | BluesKaj | 12:40 |
| ubottu | BluesKaj: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! | 12:40 |
| BluesKaj | ??? | 12:41 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 12:41 |
| jp_ | is there a way to log all nfc traffic from the built in nfc (controlvault3) access ? | 12:58 |
| ogra_ | jp_, perhaps if you put pcscd into debug mode ? | 13:02 |
| Guest38 | hii | 13:08 |
| Guest38 | is this the Ubuntu support club | 13:08 |
| ananke | yes, we meet every day after school | 13:09 |
| oerheks | jp_, https://github.com/nfcgate/nfcgate | 13:11 |
| oerheks | oh android.. oops | 13:13 |
| ogra_ | heh | 13:13 |
| ogra_ | yeah, on linux there is only pcscd i think | 13:13 |
| oerheks | https://www.kali.org/tools/libnfc/ but this goes beyond the scope of this channel | 13:16 |
| lotuspsychje | its on the ubuntu repos too oerheks | 13:28 |
| oerheks | oh | 13:28 |
| jp_ | wow, you can do it with libnfc? | 13:30 |
| jp_ | ogra: pcscd has a debug mode | 13:30 |
| jp_ | gotta check that out | 13:31 |
| jp_ | thing is libnfc shows 0 devices | 13:32 |
| jp_ | while pcsc_scan shows my readers | 13:32 |
| jp_ | or wait, not nfc-list shows segmentation fault | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | libnfc is simply not as old :) ... and the only app in the archive using it is limited to passports/IDs | 13:33 |
| Wamphyri | does anyone have alot of experience with grub boot issues where it can't read or write to hd0? | 15:10 |
| Wamphyri | i made the mistake of making the vm 4tb which broke grub | 15:10 |
| lotuspsychje | !recovergrub | Wamphyri | 15:24 |
| ubottu | Wamphyri: Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub | 15:24 |
| MingsPing67 | Hi, I am currently doing a release upgrade from 22.04 to 24.04. Now I am unfortunately getting a nasty error message: The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade process. And then ‘Command terminated with exit status 1’. The error above it is ‘ModuleNotFoundError: No module named “apt_pkg”’ and above that | 16:00 |
| MingsPing67 | ‘import apt_pkg’. I have/had Python 3 and 2 installed. python3 --version returns ‘Python 3.12.3’, python --version returns the same error from the upgrade. Does anyone know what to do? | 16:00 |
| oerheks | why did you install python2.7? | 16:04 |
| oerheks | Python 3.12.3 = noble = 24.04 | 16:05 |
| MingsPing67 | oerheks It was installed previously I guess. (I didnt install it recently. I assume that `python` was linked to Python 2.7, but it's just a guess) | 16:07 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, apt-cache policy python3-apt | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:08 |
| oerheks | python 2.7 is from 20.04 era? | 16:09 |
| oerheks | installed manually | 16:09 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria https://termbin.com/1egy | 16:10 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, sudo apt update | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:10 |
| genii | hm | 16:11 |
| genii | !info python2.7 noble | 16:11 |
| ubottu | Package python2.7 does not exist in noble | 16:11 |
| oerheks | 2.4.0ubuntu4 is from jammy? | 16:11 |
| oerheks | oops, wrong, that is python-apt | 16:12 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria https://termbin.com/tbh8 | 16:12 |
| oerheks | 10.04 ... | 16:12 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, sudo apt install --reinstall python3-apt | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:13 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria this I tried, I get "You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these. | 16:14 |
| MingsPing67 | The following packages have unmet dependencies:" and then its a large list of programs | 16:14 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, sudo apt --fix-broken install | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:15 |
| wallbroken | hello | 16:16 |
| wallbroken | apt-get install xidel | 16:16 |
| wallbroken | doesn't get anything | 16:16 |
| wallbroken | why? | 16:16 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria https://termbin.com/eile | 16:16 |
| wallbroken | E: Unable to locate package xidel | 16:16 |
| oerheks | !find xidel | 16:16 |
| ubottu | File xidel found in libxi-dev | 16:17 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria Should I run it without the pipe? | 16:17 |
| wallbroken | thank you | 16:17 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, run again without the pipe, then paste the output | 16:17 |
| wallbroken | MingsPing67, no | 16:17 |
| wallbroken | libxi-dev has "xidle" | 16:18 |
| wallbroken | i'm lookin for https://www.videlibri.de/xidel.html | 16:18 |
| wallbroken | https://github.com/benibela/xidel | 16:19 |
| ioria | i would not call a '1674 not upgraded' as 'upgrade completed' | 16:19 |
| wallbroken | xidel --extract 'plist/dict/array/data' | 16:19 |
| wallbroken | is there something similar out of the box? | 16:19 |
| oerheks | https://alternativeto.net/software/xidel/ | 16:20 |
| oerheks | !info xq | 16:20 |
| ubottu | xq (1.0.0-2ubuntu0.24.04.2, noble): command line XML and HTML beautifier and content extractor. In component universe, is optional. Built by xq. Size 2,663 kB / 7,399 kB | 16:20 |
| oerheks | go wild on !info in pm with ubottu | 16:20 |
| oerheks | and !find | 16:21 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria https://pastebin.com/Ahc3WKmZ | 16:21 |
| wallbroken | is working | 16:21 |
| wallbroken | thank you | 16:21 |
| wallbroken | i'm using Ubuntu on Windows | 16:22 |
| wallbroken | is a terminal you can install from Microsoft Store | 16:22 |
| wallbroken | do you know it? | 16:22 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, dpkg -l | grep summerpalace | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:22 |
| oerheks | oh wsl, i dunno | 16:22 |
| oerheks | !wsl | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Windows 10 and newer have a feature called "Windows Subsystem for Linux", which allows it to run Ubuntu (and other Linux distro) userspace programs without porting/recompliation. For installation instructions, see https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide | 16:22 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria https://termbin.com/3ljy | 16:23 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/summerpalace* /tmp && sudo apt --fix-broken install | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/432342264/summerpalace_1.15_1.16.diff.gz | 16:26 |
| ogra_ | seems you want: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/dell-telemetry | 16:26 |
| ogra_ | then it should be removable | 16:26 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria OK wow, now it's doing stuff. What the ... . Some stuff of preinstalled Dell stuff is breaking my upgrade :-/ | 16:26 |
| ioria | yeah, also check what ogra_ just said above | 16:26 |
| ioria | we'll see | 16:27 |
| wallbroken | !find plist | 16:27 |
| ubottu | Found: libplist++-2.0-4, libplist++-dev, libplist-2.0-4, libplist-dev, libplist-doc, golang-github-dhowett-go-plist-dev, golang-github-ryszard-goskiplist-dev, golang-github-valyala-tcplisten-dev, golang-howett-plist-dev, libdd-plist-java and 7 others <https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plist&searchon=names&suite=noble§ion=all> | 16:27 |
| wallbroken | !find pblist | 16:28 |
| ubottu | Package/file pblist does not exist in noble | 16:28 |
| wallbroken | !find bplist | 16:28 |
| ubottu | Found: libplist++-2.0-4, libplist++-dev, libplist-2.0-4, libplist-dev, libplist-doc, libplist-utils | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | wallbroken, can you do that in a PM to ubottu please ? | 16:29 |
| wallbroken | yes, i'm sorry | 16:29 |
| === paran0n20 is now known as paran0n2 | ||
| wolfbane | hi everyone | 16:31 |
| ioria | be right back in 15 min | 16:34 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria OK `apt --fix-broken install` has now successfully finished. I also deleted that cache directory. I'm trying now to continue the upgrade. | 16:42 |
| Wamphyri | lotuspsychje na theres no windows involved with this | 16:47 |
| Wamphyri | lotuspsychje its a original vm install on proxmox, it had a 2tb drive that got filled then when i expanded it to 4tb it broke with the error: cant read or write hd0 | 16:48 |
| Wamphyri | i can mount the drive into a rescue situation using a live cd.. | 16:49 |
| Wamphyri | but not matter what i do i can't get it to boot properly when i reboot | 16:49 |
| Wamphyri | grub comes up but then always gives me the hd0 error | 16:49 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, sudo apt full-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:53 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria sry, I already pressed "r" on my initial "sudo do-release-upgrade" terminal. It's now doing stuff. Was that wrong? | 16:54 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, nope, let's wait | 16:54 |
| MingsPing67 | ioria "System upgrade is complete. | 17:29 |
| MingsPing67 | Restart required | 17:29 |
| MingsPing67 | " | 17:29 |
| MingsPing67 | If u never here back from me, my computer is in the trash. Bye | 17:29 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, how is going ? | 17:35 |
| MingsPing | ioria It seems that my system upgrade is now complete. Rebooting worked. Miracle. Thanks for your concise help! I dont think that I could've managed that on my own. | 17:35 |
| MingsPing | Gonna remove all Dell related stuff now;-) | 17:35 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, first remove old packages | 17:35 |
| ioria | MingsPing67, sudo apt autopurge and check the output before 'y' | 17:36 |
| MingsPing | Reading package lists... Done | 17:36 |
| MingsPing | Building dependency tree... Done | 17:36 |
| MingsPing | Reading state information... Done | 17:36 |
| MingsPing | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 17:36 |
| ioria | ok, good then 'sudo apt clean' | 17:37 |
| MingsPing | ioria Returned nothing, did nothing I assume. | 17:37 |
| ioria | yes, i guess you're good MingsPing | 17:38 |
| MingsPing | Yes! :) Thanks again. Have a good night | 17:38 |
| ioria | MingsPing, no prob | 17:38 |
| ogra_ | well, an autoremove would have been clever ... | 17:47 |
| ogra_ | one of the logs showed a ton of packages that could have been autoremoved ... | 17:47 |
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| Markozas | hello | 18:05 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome Markozas | 18:05 |
| Markozas | i am using nvidia 565 drivers, from the nvidia repo (cuda-drivers proprietary) on ubuntu 24.04. for some reason gdm3 wants to start with Xorg instead of wayland | 18:05 |
| Markozas | is there anything i can do? | 18:06 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: this just released from rss news, https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2024/12/nvidia-driver-565-ppa/ | 18:07 |
| lotuspsychje | we had some users reporting similar, maybe try a reboot instead of a logout/login Markozas | 18:07 |
| leftyfb | Markozas: are you picking wayland from the login screen? | 18:08 |
| Markozas | leftyfb: gdm3 starts Xorg yes. but when i use intel igpu (prime-select intel, instead of prime-select nvidia) gdm3 runs on wayland | 18:08 |
| Markozas | its an issue with nvidia for some reason | 18:09 |
| leftyfb | Markozas: https://apploye.com/help/content/images/2022/11/ubuntu-login-cogwheel.jpg | 18:10 |
| Markozas | i am connecting via ssh, and i see gdm3 starts Xorg on nvidia, but wayland on intel | 18:10 |
| Markozas | so i can use waypipe over ssh with intel, but not with nvidia | 18:11 |
| leftyfb | Markozas: don't use ssh, use a monitor, keyboard and mouse | 18:11 |
| Markozas | i dont have access to that currently | 18:12 |
| Markozas | some users suggest installing this: apt install libnvidia-egl-wayland1 | 18:12 |
| leftyfb | Markozas: then why do you need to use wayland? | 18:12 |
| Markozas | i want to deploy an application that uses wayland only | 18:12 |
| leftyfb | Markozas: edit /etc/gdm3/custom.conf and set WaylandEnable=true | 18:13 |
| Markozas | i have done that, its ignored on nvidia, works on intel | 18:13 |
| leftyfb | Markozas: got secureboot disabled? | 18:13 |
| Markozas | not sure, but nvidia module is loaded. | 18:14 |
| Markozas | i also used the cuda-drivers from nvidia repo, which are supposed to be signed i think | 18:14 |
| leftyfb | tried setting this as a kernel parameter? nvidia-drm.modeset=1 | 18:15 |
| Markozas | the cuda-drivers, set this in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf options nvidia-drm modeset=1 | 18:15 |
| Markozas | didnt try it directly as kernel param, but i assume its the same | 18:16 |
| leftyfb | I would try it as a kernel parameter | 18:16 |
| Markozas | archwiki, says i might also need options nvidia-drm fbdev=1 | 18:16 |
| Markozas | which i havent tried yet | 18:16 |
| leftyfb | I'm reading you might also need that libnvidia-egl-wayland1 package | 18:17 |
| leftyfb | but again, if you're running everything over ssh, I don't understand why you need wayland over xorg | 18:18 |
| Markozas | leftyfb i tried installing it, but cuda-drivers from: https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html#ubuntu | 18:19 |
| Markozas | are in conflict | 18:19 |
| lotuspsychje | usualy users benefit better from the ubuntu graphics ppa Markozas | 18:19 |
| lotuspsychje | !nvidia | 18:20 |
| ubottu | Drivers for Nvidia graphics cards: (A) No gaming/CAD/CUDA needed or legacy hardware? Use "nouveau" (open source, lacks many features). (B) Otherwise, "nvidia" (proprietary driver, fully featured). Install using "ubuntu-drivers" CLI or apt - not from nvidia.com. Driver series, hardware support (release notes): https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ - Latest drivers !PPA: https://pad.lv/ppa/graphics-drivers | 18:20 |
| lotuspsychje | unless you want cuda specificly? | 18:20 |
| Markozas | no i want the proprietary nvidia driver 565, should i get it with ubuntu-drivers instead? | 18:21 |
| Markozas | (dont need cuda, just proprietary nvidia driver for nvenc/nvedec) | 18:21 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: i would reccomend the ubuntu repos first, if its not there, the ubuntu graphics ppa | 18:22 |
| CeeClear | Hello. Got a question to ask about burning a data disk to blue ray | 18:23 |
| Markozas | so secureboot is enabled (mokutil --sb-state, got it from this) | 18:25 |
| Markozas | i cannot sign drivers with a popup during boot. what are my options to install nvidia drivers from the repos? | 18:25 |
| Markozas | is there any driver already signed? (i think non-dkms ones are signed right?) | 18:25 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: secureboot enabled can influence the working of your hardware, try disable to make sure | 18:28 |
| CeeClear | been trying to burn a blu ray data disk. the drive recognizes it as a blu ray but when i try to burn it I get the error message "Unsupported type of task operation | 18:32 |
| CeeClear | Session error : An internal error occurred (brasero_burn_record brasero-burn.c:2854)" | 18:32 |
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| Markozas | if there was an issue with secureboot, would lspci -k , show that the nvidia module was loaded? | 18:34 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: if secureboot blocks, it would showup in your sudo dmesg | 18:34 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: to see if your driver succesfully loaded, sudo lshw -C video , and nvidia-smi | 18:34 |
| Markozas | nvidia-smi works and lshw | 18:35 |
| Markozas | nvidia: loading out-of-tree module taints kernel. | 18:37 |
| Markozas | but seems to be loaded, as well as nvidia-drm | 18:37 |
| Markozas | archwiki claims gdm3 has some udev rule, that stops it from running wayland on nvidia, and prefers x11 | 18:38 |
| Markozas | but i cant find that rule in ubuntu | 18:38 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: well, the new nvidia driver surely needs a lot of testers | 18:40 |
| lotuspsychje | for wayland that is | 18:40 |
| Markozas | is there a way to see why gdm3 chose x11? | 18:40 |
| Markozas | journalctl doesnt say anything | 18:40 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: if i was you, i would first disable secureboot and start doing tests after | 18:41 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: you got autologin? | 18:41 |
| Markozas | no but i can enable it from gdm3/custom.conf | 18:43 |
| Markozas | journalctl says gdm-x-session starts, instead of gdm-wayland-session | 18:44 |
| Markozas | using gdm/custom.conf, i autologined as normal user, with wayland eanbled, the user session uses x11 | 18:50 |
| Markozas | -_- | 18:50 |
| lotuspsychje | Markozas: try autologin off, secureboot off and clean reboot to gdm, see if you can anter wayland on 565 | 18:51 |
| Markozas | unfortunately its a remote machine, i dont have a way to disable secureboot remotely | 18:52 |
| Markozas | maybe its a gdm3 issue, i will try sddm or something else | 18:52 |
| lotuspsychje | i would go agree with leftyfb here, testing graphics over ssh might not be best to test wayland | 18:55 |
| lotuspsychje | i'd go physical testing myself | 18:55 |
| ioria | Markozas, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/2080498 | 18:56 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2080498 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Jammy) "Default session type changed from Xorg to Wayland in some installs of 22.04 on Nvidia hybrids since kernel 6.8" [Medium, New] | 18:56 | |
| Markozas | fixed. | 18:58 |
| Markozas | archwiki was right, the udev rule in ubuntu for gdm was elsewhere though: https://askubuntu.com/a/1403916 | 18:59 |
| Markozas | its a gdm specific issue, they force x11 under some conditions even if you pick wayland | 18:59 |
| lotuspsychje | nice find ioria | 18:59 |
| ioria | Markozas, /udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules ? | 19:01 |
| Markozas | yes | 19:01 |
| ioria | ok, tx | 19:01 |
| Markozas | archwiki says that you can conform with the udev rules ideally: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#Wayland_and_the_proprietary_NVIDIA_driver | 19:01 |
| Markozas | and if you cant, you can disable the udev rule | 19:01 |
| Markozas | i didnt manage to satisfy the udev rule though, i did all that was listed | 19:01 |
| Markozas | this issue doesnt exist in sddm for kde | 19:02 |
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| CeeClear | So any tips or advice on burning wi blu rays with ubuntu | 19:31 |
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| Markozas | hey | 20:18 |
| Markozas | # For nvidia drivers versions Above 510, prefer Xorg by default | 20:19 |
| Markozas | why does gdm has this udev rule | 20:19 |
| Markozas | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/-/commit/c24e0e69e49f22e8cd1510df7920a659995e460d | 20:23 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Commit c24e0e6 in GNOME/gdm "data: Remove nvidia driver version check" | 20:23 | |
| Markozas | they fixed it here | 20:23 |
| Markozas | should i get newer gnome version on ubuntu 24.04? | 20:23 |
| tomreyn | you might be aware that nvidia is the only gpu vendor who didn't get around to supporting wayland for a decade, which required everyone to add workarounds to still make their customers happy. those workarounds may now be getting in the way more than be useful that *some* nvidia driver series have finally received somewhat stable wayland support | 20:29 |
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| Markozas | i have been hitting my head against the wall for hours, it turned out there is a udev rule that forces xorg for gdm for all new nvidia drivers | 20:30 |
| Markozas | doesn't even pick specific versions which are problematic | 20:30 |
| Markozas | sddm on kde doesn't do that, ubuntu needs to backport the fix from upstream asap | 20:31 |
| Markozas | the commit was from 2023 | 20:31 |
| tomreyn | i assume this was a decision taken close to 24.04 release when it turned out the wayland support nvdia had promised didn't actually work out. | 20:31 |
| tomreyn | you could file a feature request to have it re-evaluated | 20:32 |
| tomreyn | but i'm not sure that gdm will get an SRU for this | 20:34 |
| tomreyn | unless it's clear that it will work reliably then | 20:34 |
| tomreyn | (i'm saying this as a volunteer, i'm not involved in ubuntu delevopment) | 20:36 |
| Markozas | 565 works with wayland good according to what people say | 20:36 |
| Markozas | also this must be ubuntu specific, i dont see this rule in upstream at any point | 20:39 |
| oerheks | next 24.10 will .. | 20:44 |
| oerheks | just not this LTS, that aims on stability | 20:44 |
| Markozas | it is an ubuntu specific patch, i downloaded the gdb3.tar.xz source and found a patch that reverts the upstream commit | 20:44 |
| Markozas | well done ubuntu, you know better than upstream i guess | 20:45 |
| Markozas | disable all future nvidia versions for noble | 20:45 |
| oerheks | ... rant away, i just gave you the answer it will be supported on wayland. | 20:45 |
| Markozas | whatever canonical has always been trash | 20:46 |
| Markozas | debian patches things too, but they didnt do that, and they are much more stable than ubuntu | 20:46 |
| Markozas | canonical just spams MOTD and apt to get enteprise for extra updates | 20:46 |
| * oerheks walks away | 20:46 | |
| Markozas | (extra random patches) | 20:46 |
| Markozas | thanks ubuntu for making me waste 6 hours of my life, and thinking upstream was at fault | 20:47 |
| Markozas | my company is using ubuntu for everything, time for a change of vendor | 20:47 |
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| gilberts | hi | 21:52 |
| u0_a144 | who megamichi | 23:16 |
| enigma9o7 | yeah, gnome tried implemeting nvidias eglstreams or whatever it was, never worekd quite right, nvidia finally agreed to support GBM, so gnome dropped their eglstreams support for nvidia until their GBM was ready | 23:18 |
| enigma9o7 | Does 24.04 not use wayland by default on nvidia? I figured with nvidia-550 that comes with 24.04 it'd be good enough. but i can also understand why they'd want to keep it disabled by default too. | 23:20 |
| enigma9o7 | But yeah, everyone who uses nvidia should switch to another vendor :) | 23:20 |
| enigma9o7 | mynextgpuwontbenvidia | 23:20 |
| oerheks | enigma9o7, 24.10 will support nvidia /wayland | 23:28 |
| oerheks | not this LTS | 23:28 |
| enigma9o7 | How bout kubuntu 24.10, are they wayland by default on nvidia? | 23:39 |
| oerheks | yes? | 23:41 |
| oerheks | kde does that too, AFAIK | 23:41 |
| ogra_ | https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-22.04-NV-Wayland-Default | 23:41 |
| ogra_ | it depends on the driver ... | 23:42 |
| ogra_ | and IIRC the hybrid graphics setups default to xorg in any case ... but newer discrete cards that use a driver >510 will use wayland by default | 23:43 |
| ogra_ | (in 22.04 already that is) | 23:43 |
| oerheks | ah i use the 470 for my 650.. | 23:45 |
| enigma9o7 | That doesn't support any form of wayland anyway, not the (now unused) eglstreams, or the new gbm stuff. | 23:45 |
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