| leftyfb | both are installed by default | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| leftyfb | https://releases.ubuntu.com/24.10/ubuntu-24.10-live-server-amd64.manifest#:~:text=1%3A9.20.0%2D2ubuntu3-,binutils,-2.43.1%2D4ubuntu1%0Abinutils | 00:01 |
| oerheks | curl too? | 00:01 |
| leftyfb | yes | 00:01 |
| oerheks | then ubottu got it wrong.. | 00:01 |
| leftyfb | this is for server | 00:02 |
| oerheks | curl wttr.in/amsterdam | 00:02 |
| leftyfb | binutils is installed by default for desktop, curl is not | 00:02 |
| Kunor | Yes it does look like snap firefox is the problem. I missed the very first step of installing the flatpak. No wonder its not working | 00:09 |
| leftyfb | Kunor: pick a different extension | 00:10 |
| leftyfb | flatpak's aren't supported here | 00:10 |
| Kunor | oh | 00:10 |
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| Guest8452 | Hi there. | 00:35 |
| Guest8452 | I'm trying to execute sh file but getting an error like that | 00:36 |
| Guest8452 | tim@tim-Vm:/$ sudo /home/tim/Downloads/T-RexMiner/ETC-2miners.sh | 00:36 |
| sarnold | heh, you missed the error :) | 00:36 |
| Guest8452 | '/home/tim/Downloads/T-RexMiner/ETC-2miners.sh: 2: ./t-rex: not found' | 00:37 |
| leftyfb | boy, is that an unrecommended command if I've ever seen one | 00:37 |
| leftyfb | you have a space in the directory name | 00:38 |
| leftyfb | Guest8452: are you sure you need sudo? | 00:38 |
| Guest8452 | I'm a linux newbie, sorry | 00:38 |
| sarnold | is there a /home/tim/Downloads/T-RexMiner/t-rex ? | 00:38 |
| leftyfb | then I wouldn't recommend running anything as sudo unless you know it needs it | 00:38 |
| Guest8452 | so what should i do? | 00:40 |
| Guest8452 | i don't really understand | 00:40 |
| leftyfb | Guest8452: why do you need to run this script? | 00:40 |
| Guest8452 | i'm trying to mine some crypto | 00:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8452: perhaps the better option is to learn the operating system you are trying to use, before running random applications and scripts from the internet. While linux based systems are less prone to compromise and viruses, crypto is the one thing you need to be absolutely sure you know what you are doing | 00:44 |
| Guest8452 | just help me to run the script please | 00:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8452: Never run anything on any computer that you don't understand | 00:47 |
| Guest8452 | ok | 00:47 |
| sarnold | Guest8452: have you had any luck finding out if there's a /home/tim/Downloads/T-RexMiner/t-rex ? | 00:51 |
| Guest8452 | the full path is /home/tim/Downloads/T-RexMiner/ETC-2miners.sh | 00:51 |
| === Sidewyz1 is now known as Sidewyz | ||
| sarnold | that's the script that you tried to run | 00:54 |
| sarnold | it gave you an error message | 00:54 |
| sarnold | and so far you've ignored that error message :) | 00:54 |
| sarnold | try reading it. try udnerstanding it. | 00:54 |
| Guest8452 | i don't really understand what's happen so i'm here to get some help, please | 01:00 |
| Guest8452 | if it is not very difficult for you | 01:00 |
| sarnold | Guest8452: namei -l /home/tim/Downloads/T-RexMiner/t-rex | 01:00 |
| Guest8452 | drwxr-xr-x root root / | 01:02 |
| Guest8452 | drwxr-xr-x root root home | 01:02 |
| Guest8452 | drwxr-x--- tim tim tim | 01:02 |
| Guest8452 | drwxr-xr-x tim tim Downloads | 01:02 |
| Guest8452 | drwxrwxr-x tim tim T-RexMiner | 01:02 |
| Guest8452 | -rwxr-xr-x tim tim t-rex | 01:02 |
| enigma9o7 | You need to change into that directory first. | 01:04 |
| enigma9o7 | It appears to be running other stuff with ./ so it must assume your pwd must be there, i guess. | 01:04 |
| Guest8452 | so what command should i type? | 01:05 |
| enigma9o7 | cd is change direcotry. if you're not familiar with basic shell commands, probably easier to pull up a reference sheet or tutorial or something than ask how to change direcotires | 01:05 |
| === Guest8452 is now known as timsokolov | ||
| === timsokolov is now known as TimSokolov | ||
| alch3mist | has anyone experience the activities menu showing just a blank screen after suspend or wake up from sleep on 24.04? like this post https://askubuntu.com/questions/1516783/broken-activities-overview-after-suspension-in-the-ubuntu-24-04 | 04:37 |
| thomas_ | hi i cant install ubuntu the latest release on virtual box | 06:22 |
| thomas_ | i have the bug report could some Guru explain it to me | 06:23 |
| enigma9o7 | Well how about start with you just telling us what happens when you try? | 06:30 |
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| thomas_ | well do you want to see the log | 06:33 |
| enigma9o7 | Me? No, already suggested you start with telling us what happens. | 06:34 |
| thomas_ | its given me a bug report | 06:34 |
| thomas_ | no idea | 06:34 |
| thomas_ | keep failing and give me the report | 06:34 |
| enigma9o7 | If you cant even bother to try to explain what you were doing, how you generate this "report" in the first place, nobody will want to help you, but fgine, keep being an ass, see how far it gets you. | 06:35 |
| thomas_ | i can give you the report | 06:36 |
| tomreyn | enigma9o7: while i agree that thomas_ should just have shared what they have, there's no need to call names just because they didn't do it right away. it's better to assume good intentions guide them, or just to abstain if you don't feel like guiding at the time. | 06:44 |
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| neachdainn | I've done a `dpkg --add-architecture arm64` and now my `apt update` is 404ing even though I haven't touches my `sources.list`. Is this something wrong with my connection or is this something where Ubuntu deviates from Debian? | 07:33 |
| lotuspsychje | neachdainn: can you !paste your apt output with the full errors you getting? | 07:35 |
| neachdainn | https://bpa.st/YZJA | 07:36 |
| neachdainn | That is from a fresh `ubuntu:22.04` Docker image. Nothing has been run except what's in the paste | 07:36 |
| lotuspsychje | neachdainn: maybe the #ubuntu-mirrors crew knows why its 404, or the !arm channel | 07:37 |
| neachdainn | I'll poke over there then. Thanks! | 07:38 |
| neachdainn | Interestingly, if I do an `apt update` from an ARM64 image, it `Get`s from "http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports" instead of the "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" that the x86_64 image does | 07:43 |
| lotuspsychje | neachdainn: yeah i was just browsing on, https://yottasrc.com/wiki/article?t=how-to-fix-repositories-on-ubuntu-for-arm64-servers | 07:45 |
| neachdainn | Yeah, that looks about correct from what I'm seeing. | 07:45 |
| neachdainn | I would just like to know "why", though | 07:46 |
| neachdainn | It ruins my beautiful cross-compiling script. lol | 07:46 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah, if something doesnt work by default id consider that as a bug | 07:46 |
| lotuspsychje | https://github.com/actions/runner-images/issues/10901 | 07:47 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 10901 in actions/runner-images "`apt update` fails on Ubuntu 24.04 if arm64 is enabled" [Closed] | 07:47 | |
| neachdainn | `status: New → Invalid` Neat | 07:48 |
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| neachdainn | I wish the bug report contained more information than "you're doing it wrong". I'd like to know why the Ubuntu package maintainers decided to add an annoying step to cross-compilation | 07:51 |
| lotuspsychje | trying to find an ubuntu LP bug about it | 07:51 |
| === Proton05395 is now known as Proton0539 | ||
| neachdainn | The bug I'm looking at is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-azure/+bug/2086741 | 07:53 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2086741 in linux-signed-azure (Ubuntu) "apt get update fails to download arm64 packages" [Undecided, Invalid] | 07:53 | |
| neachdainn | If you didn't stumble on it yourself | 07:53 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx | 07:54 |
| lotuspsychje | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1255707/apt-cant-find-packages-on-ubuntu-20-04-arm64-raspberry-pi-4 | 07:55 |
| lotuspsychje | all comes back to ports | 07:55 |
| neachdainn | Yeah. I'm about to try that, and I suspect it will work, I just want to know why that decision was made | 07:56 |
| lotuspsychje | cant find something official about ports neither | 07:57 |
| neachdainn | Not that it matters a ton, but my cross-compilation script just went from `dpkg --add-architecture arm64; dpkg-buildpackage --host-arch arm64` to one that has to mess around with `sources.list` and I'm mildly upset | 07:57 |
| neachdainn | Very mildly. Like a nice green salsa from a Mexican restaurant in Wisconsin, kind of mild | 07:58 |
| lotuspsychje | hehe | 07:58 |
| neachdainn | It was just so Clean until now | 07:59 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe a talk with the !arm guys can help before filing a bug :p | 08:01 |
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| neachdainn | I might ask, but I don't know if I'll file a bug. I suspect that's a fight I don't have the energy for | 08:03 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah its probably gonna get triaged | 08:04 |
| neachdainn | I fully expect it would get the "New -> Invalid" treatment | 08:06 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah, idle some more in #ubuntu-mirrors maybe an official statement might drop | 08:07 |
| neachdainn | Oof. `dpkg --add-architecture` seems completely broken because of it. Or, at least, the linked solutions don't fix it | 08:08 |
| neachdainn | Is Ubuntu 22 based on a specific version of Debian? It might be easier for me to just build in a Debian image instead | 08:12 |
| neachdainn | Looks like Ubuntu LTS match up with Debian releases. Not sure if I want to gamble on that working, though | 08:14 |
| mgedmin | no, the Ubuntu and Debian release schedules do not match | 08:18 |
| mgedmin | Ubuntu imports packages from Debian testing for the first part of Ubuntu's own release cycle, and then the imports get frozen and only fixes get in | 08:18 |
| * mgedmin approximates, not actually being a Ubuntu developer | 08:18 | |
| neachdainn | I'm glad I didn't take that gamble, then | 08:22 |
| neachdainn | Well dang. Ubuntu has absolutely ruined a simple cross-compile script that works so beautifully on Debian | 08:35 |
| neachdainn | So, I guess new question: why am I targeting Ubuntu? | 08:41 |
| neachdainn | Which means I need to figure out if nVidia supports Jetpack on Debian instead of Ubuntu | 08:42 |
| lotuspsychje | ubuntu has a great community neachdainn | 08:46 |
| neachdainn | Oh, absolutely! I just mean from a technical perspective - this is trivial to do on Debian and (apparently) complicated on Ubuntu, so do I actually need to be on Ubuntu? | 08:48 |
| ravage | You don't need to be on anything | 08:54 |
| castorga | test | 08:58 |
| lotuspsychje | we see you castorga | 08:58 |
| neachdainn | ravage: Sure. But I technically don't need an OS, so this is about my sanity and the sanity of the poor schmuck who has to maintain this after me | 09:01 |
| neachdainn | Apparently `ros-message-generation:arm64` can't be satisfied by `ros-message-generation:all`? | 09:13 |
| neachdainn | This isn't an issue I faced on Debian, but it does seem kind of fundamental to Apt? | 09:15 |
| ogra_ | neachdainn, apt is mainly developed in Ubuntu (the maintainer works for canonical) so Ubuntu is usually ahead in features (unless the release cycles overlap in cetain ways) in the stable releases ... the ":all" handling might be the new package resaolver being more strict (there was an announcement around this somewhere) | 10:24 |
| ogra_ | you'd likely see the same behavior in sid ... | 10:26 |
| neachdainn | When I said "apt", I really meant "the ecosystem around and supporting Apt in this OS". I do not encounter this same issue in Sid | 10:38 |
| ogra_ | hm, yeah, i think debian also builds "all" packages differntly | 10:40 |
| ogra_ | there are some rather big differences in the archive setup in both (i.e. Ubuntu has never allowed binary uploads which is kind of a standard in debian) | 10:41 |
| neachdainn | I am now learning that. | 10:42 |
| ogra_ | arch: all is only built on x86 in ubuntu since day one (though that shouldhnt have impact here, this is just about building) while debian builds them for all archges separately if uploaded as plain source package | 10:43 |
| neachdainn | It's a bit of a bummer, since my script was so Neat and Clean™ until I tried to make it support Ubuntu | 10:43 |
| mgedmin | reality bites | 10:43 |
| ogra_ | well, just dump the proper architectur files in the right places | 10:43 |
| ogra_ | dpkg --add-architecture has never been enough in ubuntu, you need to set up /etc/apt/sources.d files alongside ... but that is documented in many cross copmpile docs for ubuntu | 10:44 |
| ogra_ | (and has been like that since we started multiarch) | 10:45 |
| neachdainn | mg | 10:45 |
| neachdainn | mgedmin: You said it | 10:45 |
| ogra_ | Ubuntu isnt debian and has never been :) | 10:45 |
| ogra_ | we just share the sourcew packages | 10:46 |
| neachdainn | ogra_: So I'm learning. I've got some decisions to make tomorrow, I suppose | 10:47 |
| neachdainn | Most of this was to avoid CI jobs across architectures. Now it seems like the effort isn't worth it | 10:47 |
| ogra_ | well, with todays arm64 hardware nmative builds are usually faster than crioss building | 10:48 |
| ogra_ | (i'm actually typing this on an XPS13 qualcomm equipped laptop ... that thing runs circles around my x86 machines in the house)' | 10:49 |
| ogra_ | (and as you can see from my typos it is fairly new ... still got issues hitting the keys on the keayboard properly :P ) | 10:50 |
| neachdainn | True. The benefit came from Google Cloud not supporting uploading an existing version. My company lives on versions that are basically `last.released.version~branch.name`. Since I can't delete just one arch for a version, I was hoping to have a single job that built all archs | 10:51 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:57 |
| Garcyolo | hi | 12:58 |
| gabriel_ | hey, anyone there? | 13:48 |
| gabriel_ | exit | 13:48 |
| === jgee0 is now known as jgee | ||
| GSMarquis | looks like all the out of the box repos are *.ubuntu.com am i wrong? | 15:02 |
| leftyfb | GSMarquis: for the default repo's, yes | 15:03 |
| oerheks | jups | 15:03 |
| GSMarquis | so are some redirects from a .canonical.com | 15:04 |
| oerheks | mine are http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ for NL | 15:04 |
| ogra_ | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors | 15:08 |
| ogra_ | and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors | 15:09 |
| oerheks | maybe http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu <version> partner > proprietary and closed-source software https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Enabling_Canonical_Partner_Repositories | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | thats dead and gone | 15:09 |
| oerheks | jups, not seen that in 22.04 | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | all partners deliver their stuff as snaps nowadays | 15:10 |
| GSMarquis | i deployed a 22.04 vm and had my network admin add *ubuntu.com to proxy for security updates. I made the apt proxy config, but cant seem to get there. | 15:11 |
| oerheks | GSMarquis, how did you do that? normally the apt proxy uses the same server .. | 15:20 |
| oerheks | like here https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-setup-apt-proxy-on-ubuntu/ | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | that doc is wrong BTW, you shouldnt edit /etc/environment directly since 21.10 anymore ... but drop a snippet into /etc/environment.d | 15:23 |
| oerheks | oh, i was pointing to the apt part | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | yeah ... i just noticed ... apt will indeed uswe any system proxy you set | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | *system-wide | 15:25 |
| GSMarquis | I was under the impression apt only proxy would take a xxx.conf file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ | 15:45 |
| leftyfb | GSMarquis: that is correct | 15:48 |
| leftyfb | GSMarquis: to certainly can configure apt to utilize a proxy with the way that tutorial is pointing out. At least with the proxy.conf | 15:50 |
| leftyfb | to/you | 15:50 |
| GSMarquis | so as long as my admin has my proxy setup correctly and allows *.ubuntu.com then all the out of box repos should work? | 15:51 |
| leftyfb | yes | 15:51 |
| GSMarquis | yea, they fail. I will have him verify the url is in as I had him do a set of urls i needed. | 15:51 |
| leftyfb | look through the proxy logs | 15:52 |
| oerheks | * where *.ubuntu.com is not in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/xxx.conf | 15:52 |
| GSMarquis | not understanding "where it is not".......slow here. | 15:53 |
| leftyfb | oerheks: you do not need to specify url's in the apt proxy config. Only on the proxy server itself | 15:53 |
| oerheks | yes, so i wonder where he puts ubuntu.com? | 15:54 |
| bizmate | hi, nice surprise ... after another update the laptop has no sound. Any help on what i can try to do? | 15:54 |
| leftyfb | on the proxy server config that he doesn't have access to | 15:54 |
| GSMarquis | that in the proxy conifg | 15:54 |
| GSMarquis | correct, not my sme area | 15:54 |
| GSMarquis | Small update. I applied the proxy settings to the web browser. I was able to hit all urls minus ubuntu.com. Looks like he may have forgot that url. | 16:38 |
| GSMarquis | all urls I gave him to add anyway. | 16:39 |
| bizmate | after update soundcard is not detected but booting with old kernel did not fix the problem, what else can i try | 16:40 |
| bizmate | lspci shows the audio card ... not sure what else to try | 16:41 |
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| === Guest7424 is now known as TimSokolov | ||
| === lubuntu is now known as LiveLubuntu | ||
| LiveLubuntu | I never installed a MacOS/Linux dual boot before, so I'm not sure what size should I give to the partitions (boot, root, swap and home). Any recommendations based on the following partitions/unallocated space? https://postimg.cc/3yBQ0tTg I will install Lubuntu 24.04.1 LTS (Noble Numbat) | 17:24 |
| thelounge1636 | maybe try to keep it simple and go with a single partition | 17:28 |
| oerheks | ubuntu installs in a single partition indeed, with a swapfile. | 17:29 |
| oerheks | *standard | 17:30 |
| en1gma | i have a single 1TB m.2 and i have windows 11 on it. i also have ubuntu 24.04 amd64 desktop in a nice dual boot with no problems. im pretty sure im going to install ubuntu 24.04 server over the same partitions of my current ubuntu 24.04 amd64-desktop. | 17:44 |
| en1gma | just wondering if there will be any problems with the ubuntu 24.04 server install thing compared to the amd64-desktop installer thing | 17:44 |
| en1gma | if i wasnt a dual boot i would just install it but i have to mess with partitions and mbr or w/e | 17:45 |
| en1gma | just want to make sure | 17:45 |
| oerheks | en1gma, likely not | 17:46 |
| en1gma | cool | 17:46 |
| en1gma | about ready to give it a try | 17:46 |
| === jgee6 is now known as jgee | ||
| TimSokolov | hi there. is there a channel related to conky application? i didn't find it | 18:36 |
| oerheks | yes ##conky | 18:38 |
| TimSokolov | thx | 18:38 |
| oerheks | and the longest post on ubuntu forum, 2348 pages | 18:39 |
| oerheks | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=2348 | 18:39 |
| kk1234 | oerheks: heh. rip forums | 18:42 |
| oerheks | i know, discourse it is | 18:46 |
| lavaball | aplay -l .. no devices found is bad, right? | 19:02 |
| lavaball | oh, never mind. as afterwards added user i can't access the device list. | 19:03 |
| lavaball | thanks anyway. | 19:03 |
| lavaball | though why are headphones and a front muted? i never touched the alsamixer like ever in all the years the machine was running. never needed sound either. | 19:04 |
| === EddyD is now known as SergeiD | ||
| neachdainn | Why does `ros-message-generation:all` not satisfy `ros-message-generation:arm64`? | 21:11 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: is your architecture arm64? | 21:14 |
| neachdainn | No. I'm trying to cross-compile from an x86 machine | 21:16 |
| neachdainn | My `mk-build-deps` is failing because it can't install `ros-message-generation:arm64`. `ros-message-generation:any` is both available and installed | 21:18 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: did you add the repo for arm to your system? | 21:18 |
| neachdainn | Yes. I have many arm packages installed and the build succeeds if I change the build dependency to specifically `ros-message-generation:any` | 21:19 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: apt-cache policy ros-message-generation:arm64 | 21:19 |
| neachdainn | leftyfb: Installed (none), Candidate (none), empty version table | 21:20 |
| leftyfb | looks like it's not an available package on your ubuntu release then | 21:21 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: which ubuntu release are you running? | 21:21 |
| neachdainn | I guess not finding a specific architecture might make sense, but then the question is why `mk-build-deps` isn't seeing that it's an `any` package | 21:21 |
| neachdainn | Ubuntu 22 | 21:21 |
| neachdainn | It's available, just as `ros-message-generation:any` | 21:21 |
| leftyfb | neachdainn: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999 | 21:22 |
| === vincejv- is now known as vincejv | ||
| neachdainn | And as `ros-message-generation:all` | 21:22 |
| neachdainn | https://termbin.com/v6wsm | 21:23 |
| oerheks | add archtecture i386 then ros-message-generation:i386 will be available? ?? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+package/ros-message-generation | 21:29 |
| oerheks | jsut thinking out loud | 21:29 |
| neachdainn | Specifying `ros-message-generation:amd64` works, so this might be something messed up with my sources | 21:35 |
| neachdainn | Here's my `sources.list`: https://termbin.com/z99v | 21:38 |
| === kentucky4442436 is now known as kentucky444243 | ||
| tomreyn | neachdainn: while i'm not sued to cross-compiling, your sources.list doesn't seem wrong to me if your primary architecture is amd64 (though I don't think you need to specify arch=amd64 then). maybe review https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO again - might help if you misunderstood some concept. | 22:16 |
| neachdainn | tomreyn: I sort of need to specify `arch=amd64`, otherwise Apt tries to pull the arm packages from those sources and returns errors | 22:20 |
| tomreyn | oh, for the cross-compile, that's probably right then | 22:21 |
| neachdainn | Not that it (probably) matters but I have the same issue on Bookworm as well | 22:22 |
| oerheks | trying to cross-compile from an x86 machine? or amd64? | 22:23 |
| oerheks | that is the info you started with | 22:23 |
| neachdainn | I'm on an amd64 machine, attempting to cross-compile an arm64 package | 22:24 |
| flaf | Hi. On a Ubuntu 24.04, I have 3 empty directories /bin.usr-is-merged, /lib.usr-is-merged and /sbin.usr-is-merged. Why? I have understood it's related to the fact that now /bin is a symlink to usr/bin etc. But the symlinks already exists on my Ubuntu 22.04 where I have no /*si-merged/ directories. So, is it normal? Can I remove these /*is-merged/ directories? | 22:25 |
| oerheks | answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/1523764/bin-usr-is-merged-lib-usr-is-merged-sbin-usr-is-merged-what-are-the-folders | 22:27 |
| oerheks | these will be cleaned up in 24.10 | 22:27 |
| oerheks | https://dep-team.pages.debian.net/deps/dep17/ | 22:28 |
| flaf | oerheks: no sure to well understand the detail (I'm not well qualified concerning dpkg diversions) but on Ubuntu 24.04 a) it's completely normal and 2) I have to _keep_ these 3 directories /bin.usr-is-merged, /lib.usr-is-merged and /sbin.usr-is-merged. Is it correct? | 22:32 |
| oerheks | yes. | 22:33 |
| oerheks | and yes | 22:34 |
| flaf | Ok, oerheks thx for your help. :) So it's normal but it's not very pretty. :) | 22:35 |
| oerheks | ugly, even .. it is a transition. | 22:38 |
| flaf | Arf... yes, exactly. ugly. But migrations/transitions are ugly sometimes. :) | 22:40 |
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