[00:18] why does 'apt autoremove' want to remove Xorg? [00:23] because you removed something that depended on it [00:23] it's a metapackage. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages [00:25] i don't see any package, meta or not, called Xorg.... [00:26] likely its autoremoval has to do with something you installed previously that wanted to remove something that depended on Xorg, etc, that you said yes to. [00:26] https://packages.ubuntu.com/oracular/amd64/xorg/filelist [00:32] okay, thanks [00:46] how do i mark them as me wanting to not autoremove them? mark as explicitly installed probably would work === Dragonslicer is now known as Dragnslcr [00:49] Where are the Ubuntu GNOME extensions stored in ~? I'm trying to get rid of them and the extension interface is not cooperating. [00:51] normal gnome extensions are in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions but doesn't appear they're there. [01:21] Is there a way to get 24 hour time format on the desktop clock ? [01:22] kubuntu 24.10 cannot find it [02:23] Evening. I created a bootable ubuntu thumbdrive, following this tutorial: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu I assumed that, as a bootable thumb drive, changes like installing a package would persist across reboots, but they aren't. It's been a few years since I made and used one of these, but I'm pretty sure that's how it worked in the past. Did that change, or is something wrong? [02:23] Also, each time I boot it up it goes through the setup process, i.e. choose your language, connect to a network & enter a password, etc. [02:26] It's also slow as hell booting up. I mean, it's a thumb drive, but still... [02:27] Hm, it's offering to update the installer, I've been skipping that because I did just download this ISO a couple days ago, but let's see if that helps. [02:50] puff: The ISO - 9660 format - is by design a read-only. However there is a means to offer persistence: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent - Old page and I do not lnow how applicable it may still be. [02:50] know* [03:17] veliyankode: Your tutorial looks good - noted for future references :D [03:18] hi === SDGNelson3 is now known as SDGNelson [03:43] Bashing-om: Thanks. That's odd and annoying, I know I've used persistent ubuntu bootable thumb drives in the past. [03:43] veliyankode: THanks. [04:27] hi === mrpond5 is now known as mrpond [05:06] telegram..>>> @elisa2xxx === timj1 is now known as timj === jgee4 is now known as jgee === rvalue- is now known as rvalue [08:03] hi, no [09:15] hola === docon is now known as tonuc-kubuntu [10:40] How to install gcc higher versions in older ubuntu s without root?? [10:46] stolen: build it from source install in user writable directory? [11:02] does s2idle suspend mode shut down cpu and gpu? i am asking because the fans on my pc are still on while it is sleeping [11:02] stolen: assuming you have a deb file of it (or any package really), you can extract it to a user controlled path and set PATH=./the/toolchain/bin [11:08] what's the security issue in using os-prober with grub? [11:13] I'm not sure there was a security issue [11:14] the comment in /etc/default/grub say it can cause damage to VMs that use raw devices [11:15] (the same device could end up being mounted both in the host and in the VM at the same time, causing corruption) [11:15] although Linux filesystem drivers aren't exactly hardened against malicious filesystem images [11:16] i notice in arch too it's disabled [11:16] so anything that randomly mounts things could trigger exploits [11:17] the issue was that os-prober mounts foreign filesystems to check for OSes ... that could potentially cause security risks because it touches something it doesnt own [11:21] ok yea i can imagine that now [11:32] hi all, I want to encrypt the content of both my 2 external HDs and I also want to constantly synchronize their content. Should I encrypt them first or synchronize them first? And then what is the best program to synchronize? [11:43] to synchronize, use rsync, and grsync as a gui [11:43] to encrypt them, i think you want them to be empty first. [11:44] https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/full-disk-encryption [12:12] hi i am nwe at ubuntu and linux software , i try to install Viber but after the install i have 2 icons and the program doest open [12:13] webchat30: where did you install viber from? [12:14] the official webside [12:14] had a link for ubuntu [12:15] webchat30: there are 2 viber snaps to try too, if you like, snap find viber (from terminal) [12:16] i also hat the same problem with google docs , anything i try to install that is not at app center [12:16] the viber website doesnt seem to be very useful on support for linux [12:25] i unistall it and install it from terminal again the same problem [12:26] wich one did you try webchat30 [12:27] wget -c https://download.cdn.viber.com/cdn/desktop/Linux/viber.deb [12:28] i find it at google search [12:29] https://www.viber.com/en/download/ [12:29] try their flatpak? [12:29] or appimage from that page [12:29] webchat30: the volunteers cant help much on external software, they often use their own ppa's [12:30] Hi, im a little bit noob on "oidentd", I have installd it with: sudo apt-get -y install oidentd - Do I need to conf it? I use it for IRC. Sorry for noobies :) [12:32] nisse, never used it myself, but this page might be a help https://oidentd.janikrabe.com/getting-started/configuration/ [12:32] oerheks, just the page I use :D thanks alot, I will read some more [12:34] oidentd should work out of the box, if you're happy with it returning your real username [12:34] you might need to do firewall configuration/maybe port forwarding for it to be accessible from outside [12:35] mgedmin, I have fixd my iptables as FW [12:36] mgedmin, are you a geek? Im in /etc/oidentd.conf and theres not much text, its sBNC as I use [12:36] And root [12:37] Ellhnas ? [12:45] Hi all [12:54] Hi, I'm trying to pxe install bare metal which needs a (possibly bonded) vlan to access the deployment infrastructure. I'm looking for kernel parameters to configure the vlan so the iso or preseed can be reached. [13:03] PXE does not do vlans [13:03] Also no real bondings [13:04] the pxe part already works, I can load kernel and initrd [13:04] (one can set the vlan in bios) [13:04] I found netcfg/use_vlan=true netcfg/vlan_id=X [13:04] Ok then make sure the installation finds everything on the same network [13:05] @oerheks, too much technical terms, i didn't understand anything :-( https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/full-disk-encryption [13:05] is there a software to do this operation of encryption? [13:07] Guest7239, that doc you linked is for UbuntuCore ... a special all-snap based OS, not really related to i.e. Ubuntu Desktop or Server ... [13:07] oerheks, [13:08] ogra_, ok i don't even know what is ubuntu core, i'm basic user, not so good at pc [13:08] how to encrypt my 2 external hd? [13:08] right, the doc does not apply to a normal Ubuntu Desktop [13:08] ogra_, which is the best software to do that? [13:08] you open the disks appliication [13:09] and you setup an encrypted drive there [13:09] existing data will be lost [13:09] right, what ravage said [13:11] ogra_, ravage ok, i tried previous time, but something went wrong or i didn't understand some step [13:11] if you have specific questions about a step feel free to ask [13:11] first, do i have to encrypt just the partition or even freespace? [13:11] i would create a partition first [13:12] start with wiping the drive (format) [13:12] and then start with setting up the encryption [13:15] oerheks, ravage I need to overwrite the existing data right? [13:16] yes [13:16] https://p.haxxors.com/2vgawisp.png [13:16] https://p.haxxors.com/ofvgh5gy.png [13:16] https://p.haxxors.com/oo4o3ix3.png [13:16] https://p.haxxors.com/0a7oq9e0.png [13:21] ravage, I want to overwrite all existing data with zeros to make sure it can't be recovered by others [13:21] sure. go ahead. [13:21] will take some time [13:21] so make some coffee [13:24] ravage, no problem, security is more important, but there is another problem, i need to use those 2 external hd even on windows, that is, I use them almost exclusively on this PC via Ubuntu, but then if I ever need to open them via Windows, I want this possibility to be there [13:25] hi all, recently i have experienced the annoying ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED error on Chrome and Firefox both. The only solution in the past was to nuke the whole of the cache and restart the browser but this is rather annoying. Is this something anyone experienced and might have any further suggestion on how to fix it? [13:25] No idea sorry. I don't use Windows [13:26] the above is when i open youtube [13:26] https://p.haxxors.com/oo4o3ix3.png [13:26] Hello, I'm trying to automate the installation of Ubuntu Desktop via usb key for deploying on laptop. The manual installation work fine. More information here https://gist.github.com/metabsd/a647b436c4d525df161f5eb52959a8b6 Any advice ? Thx in advance!!! [13:26] ext4, it says is only for linux system [13:28] metabsd, "I boot the usb key but the automated installation don't work as expected." define expected [13:35] ravage, is it possibile encrypt using NTFS? [13:37] metabsd, did you follow the autoinstall documentation ? https://canonical-subiquity.readthedocs-hosted.com/en/latest/intro-to-autoinstall.html [13:40] Hmm, I have read about oidentd now, I think I must reload it, I have search on the net, but didnt find the command, someone here that knows? Im a noob [13:43] Guest7239, if you need acces through windows too, look at veracrypt. this was not in your original question [13:48] oerheks, I didn't know there were compatibility issues with Windows, I thought I could encrypt them without problems by keeping them in NTFS [13:50] oerheks, I searched for veracrypt on ubuntu software but it is not there [13:51] it is not in the repos, see their website [13:52] it is FOSS/opensource though [14:06] oerheks, what does it means FOSS open source? [14:07] Guest7239: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software [14:11] leftyfb, i downoloaded this Linux: [14:11] Generic Installers: veracrypt-1.26.14-setup.tar.bz2 (PGP Signature) [14:11] but i don't know how to install, it doesn't install anything, just archive, i extract, it appears several files, but i don't know which open to install [14:12] Guest7239: I would follow the documentation: https://www.veracrypt.fr/en/Documentation.html [14:12] Guest7239: mind you, 3rd party software like this isn't supported here [14:13] and/or ask help on whatever support chat/forum VeraCrypt provides [14:13] if the documentation isn't clear for whatever reason [14:15] leftyfb, JanC is it not possible to do this encryption operation via an ubuntu software if disks itself does not allow it? Like gparted does it? or some other supported by ubuntu? [14:16] Guest7239: you can use LUKS to encrypt in ubuntu. Unfortunately, there's no good encryption software that is natively supported on both Ubuntu and Windows [14:27] leftyfb, i don't fin luks in ubuntu software [14:30] Guest7239: https://linuxconfig.org/basic-guide-to-encrypting-linux-partitions-with-luks [14:32] Sorry, you have been blocked [14:32] You are unable to access linuxconfig.org [14:36] but for both windows and linux, luks is unusable [14:36] you can make encrypted partitions easily with Gnome Disks (or in the Ubuntu installer when it's a new install) [14:37] didn't we have this same discussion days ago [14:37] ?? [14:37] there used to be a LUKS driver for Windows, but I don't know if it still works/exists... [14:41] oerheks, JanC yes I already did the encryption when I installed ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS, on the internal HD, now I want to encrypt 2 external HDs too [14:42] yes [14:42] https://p.haxxors.com/2vgawisp.png [14:42] https://p.haxxors.com/ofvgh5gy.png [14:42] https://p.haxxors.com/oo4o3ix3.png [14:42] https://p.haxxors.com/0a7oq9e0.png [14:42] but ext4 is only for linux system [14:43] you can access LUKS-encrypted disks from WSL2 apaprently [14:43] if you don't need it often maybe that's enough? [14:44] hey, question about starting a "service", i want this to run at startup "sudo /opt/cubebackup/bin/cbsrv start" [14:44] JanC, I don't know, I don't know what WSL2 is, I don't understand anything about computers [14:45] veracrypt-1.26.14-setup-gui-x64 [14:46] I excecuted this as program, followed the steps, it appears in the apps list but it doesn't open [14:47] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XWN6YuGN4Hjp854x3vfxhRf0Id3FE9Q4/view?usp=sharing [14:53] Canna: https://medium.com/@benmorel/creating-a-linux-service-with-systemd-611b5c8b91d6 [14:53] Guest7239: https://www.wikihow.com/Encrypt-an-External-Hard-Drive-on-Linux [14:54] Guest7239: https://opensource.com/article/21/3/encryption-luks#:~:text=How%20to%20encrypt%20an%20external%20drive%20with%20LUKS [14:58] seems like the problem is with accessing such a disk on Windows [14:59] and as I stated before, that's not something we can support here as there aren't any good solutions to encrypt/decrypt drives on both Windows and native to Ubuntu [15:00] except veracrypt? [15:00] "native to Ubuntu" [15:01] it seems like it's fairly easy to access LUKS drives with WSL 2 [15:02] but it's not integrated in the GUI, of course [15:02] JanC: feel free to walk Guest7239 through setting up WSL on Windows in #windows-wsl [15:02] I have no clue how to do that [15:03] I don't even have a Windows systems... [15:06] thanks for everything, I'll try again as soon as I can, the problem is that I've already forgotten the little I've understood so far :-( unfortunately :-( thanks again, I have to go and fix the stove, we've been without heating for over a week, it's freezing cold [15:16] seemls like there is "dislocker" software for Ubuntu also [15:16] but that's not ideal when you mostly use Ubuntu === tofran6 is now known as tofran [15:39] dsfdfdsfdsfds [15:39] dsfdfdsfdsfds [15:39] dsfdfdsfdsfds [15:39] dsfdfdsfdsfds [15:39] dsfdfdsfdsfds [15:40] :-) [15:41] Guest62, wait some minute until you get voiced again. [15:57] oerheks, because you want to know how the story goes on ? (my guess would be "dsfdfdsfdsfds" though) [16:01] lol [16:59] Hi, I have recently upgraded from ubuntu 22 to 24 on my VPS. I have experienced that if I clean install ubuntu, I experience full speed on nginx and related apps, like librespeed. However, if I upgrade ubuntu, something in the networking or drivers or software end is broken resulting in extremely poor speed with librespeed application. How do I reinstall/reset networking including drivers? [16:59] Hello === E_Bomb366 is now known as E_Bomb36 [17:02] Hi [17:04] Any clue about this error https://imgur.com/a/mO8fjj2 [17:05] gamma4k, does your VPS provider offer a fresh 24.04 ubuntu image? [17:05] ¨timed out waiting for device ...¨ [17:05] If I run blkid and cat /etc/fstab, I can verify UUID of partitions match [17:06] cfoch, seems like thet 6808-f16e disk has problems, boot live iso and run fsck [17:06] do I need live iso? [17:06] Can I fix it from other kernel or from Windows? I don't have a bootable device, I think... [17:07] oerheks: no, i mainly use a script for installing a fresh ubuntu image. I recall I had a similar issue when I upgraded from ubuntu 20 to ubuntu 22. so I clean installed the OS. But I forgot about that issue till now. Its a hassle to install a new OS as I dont want to lose my files [17:07] depends what is on that disk.. the os itself? [17:07] should i use docker or portainer? [17:08] and network is not working like mounting live OS from network [17:08] freakyy85: this is an ubuntu support channel. Your question is looking for an opinion on cloud/container options where you've given to criteria [17:09] ok [17:09] cfoch, method 2, start recovery mode and choose fsck https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-to-fix-fsck-errors-in-ubuntu/ [17:10] and " I dont want to lose my files" could have happened during upgrade, make a backup [17:16] oerheks, if in maintenance mode i run "umount /" I get "target is busy" [17:16] so the target contains the os.. contact your vps provider [17:18] cfoch: sudo fsck -y -f /dev/ [17:18] you can forgo the use of sudo [17:19] disk contains /boot/efi too, he never gets to busybox too [17:20] cfoch: post a screenshot of the prompt you are at now [17:32] how do you search for -installed- packages on Ubuntu? [17:32] ian|: apt list --installed [17:32] i've been doing apt list --installed | grep foo [17:32] on Arch Linux it's 'pacman -Qs _' [17:32] ian|: ok, so you already know how then [17:33] leftyfb, ok, I found a liveusb, not Ubuntu, though [17:33] leftyfb: i am wondering if there's a builtin command for it [17:33] cfoch: that's fine [17:33] ian|: yes, apt list --installed [17:34] i don´t have /dev partitions though [17:34] cfoch: uh [17:34] cfoch: then you're not running linux [17:34] yes [17:34] I have -dev-nvme0n1p5 [17:34] you mean /dev/nvme0n1p5, which is a partition [17:35] That partition points to root [17:35] ok? [17:35] The other with shorter UUID points to EFI partition [17:35] that's not a UUID [17:35] should I run fsck on EFI or /? [17:35] neither, you should run fsck on devices in /dev/ [17:35] cfoch, seems like that whole 6808-f16e disk has problems [17:36] sudo fsck -y -f /dev/nvme0n1p5 [17:36] I assume your EFI partition is p1, you can run it there as well, though that's not an ext filesystem [17:36] is there a way to list manually installed packages? [17:36] it won't have a journal [17:36] ian|: dpkg -l [17:37] ian|: no, look through your logs [17:37] dpme, I run sudo fsck -y -f /dev/nvme0n1p5 [17:37] ian, "apt-mark showmanual" [17:37] apt list --manual-installed === E_Bomb362 is now known as E_Bomb36 [17:38] I reboot [17:38] cfoch: why? [17:39] Shouldn´t I reboot [17:39] ? [17:39] cfoch: I thought you wanted to try to repair your filesystem(s) [17:39] This is the issue I have originally https://imgur.com/a/mO8fjj2 [17:40] cfoch: yes, you already said that [17:40] I am rebooting after running ¨fsck -y -f /dev/" [17:40] ok [17:40] but the error seems to be on EFI [17:40] on EFI partition [17:41] indeed, /boot/efi [17:41] I don´t understand why I had to run fsck -y -f /dev/nvme0n1p5 [17:41] I am having same error after reboot [17:42] cfoch: try fsck.vfat /dev/nvmeon1p1 [17:42] cls [17:42] sorry, add in -y -f [17:45] This is the error I got when I wrote before https://imgur.com/a/qJBQOnH [17:48] leftyfb, why /dev/nvmeon1p1 ? what is this device? [17:48] sorry, nvme0n1p1 [17:48] that is more than likely your EFI partition [17:56] leftyfb, then reboot? [17:56] sure [17:58] leftyfb, same error [18:00] cfoch: not sure, might be a bad drive [18:00] I remember to have had some issues like this in the past and fixed it, instead of reinstalling [18:00] I dont want to reinstall :) [18:00] did you mess with fstab or uuid cfoch ? [18:00] yes, I had to change uuid [18:01] why? [18:01] that's probably your problem [18:01] Not now, I meant in other laptops in the past [18:01] This time I got to this problem when upgrading from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04 [18:03] There was some issue, and I lost internet conncetion, maybe some drivers got removed or something else, then I restarted, and got this error [18:04] cfoch: apt still spits out errors in recovermode/rootshell? [18:04] cfoch: reinstall [18:04] I don´t want to reinstall [18:04] Not yet, at least [18:05] issues during upgrades can be bad indeed [18:05] cfoch: I guarantee reinstalling from scratch will be a lot quicker and cleaner than resolving this issue === humanx48 is now known as humanx [18:09] cfoch: what i usualy do when things look borked, is try recoverymode rootshell with networking, if you can resolve from there, a reinstall could be wise [18:13] Is there any danger if I comment the EFI partition in /etc/fstab? [18:15] Or maybe the efi partition is corrupted... can I regenerate it? [18:17] cfoch: first check if apt still gives errors [18:17] i dont have internet conncetion on such laptop [18:18] after commenting the efi partition, I do not get such error anymore [18:18] But graphic mode does not load euther [18:19] If I had a network cable... [18:27] cfoch: you can re-create the efi esp but you'd need to populate it too [18:28] How can I troubleshoot lack of network connection now_ [18:30] I am not sure my ethernet device is listed at least [18:30] cfoch: https://paste.linux.chat/?b2b823c46cb91cf5#DrsFihvagyowEZjxu2uMYXknZVjpMuvFvaMtUaKPQ4um [18:38] veliyankode, even if I do that I will lack of internet connection, won't I? [18:38] no network, no recoverymode, lts upgrade borked and efi scrambled...doesnt sound too good cfoch === koenraad_ is now known as koenraad [18:41] time to create a fresh iso on usb to fix things [18:41] It is night now. I may have an ethernet cable but it may be on an storage room, fully disordered as I recently moved here. [18:41] No light as well xD [18:47] cfoch: i found some jewels when i browsed my archive hdd [18:57] cfoch: i'm confused. i didn't write anything about the network connection [18:58] recovery needs an network cable, not wireless.. [18:58] but try again when the sun is up? [19:06] found my ethernet cable [19:06] oerheks, I am not in recovery mode anymore after commenting out EFI partition in /etc/fstab [19:11] ethernet cable does not work, as I was thinking... not even the ethernet interface is detected, I think === eLdr1ch is now known as eLdr1ch_H_Movie [19:20] Can I run apt command into my target partition from live iso? [19:23] I think the issue is that when updating some packages got reomved, among them some package related to network [19:25] when updating ? ubuntu usuay doesnt remove essential toopls when you just update it ... [19:25] *usually [19:26] maybe I did some stupidity [19:28] I think I need to download .deb packages from the live iso and install them by hand [19:28] thgere are njo deb packages on the live iso [19:29] only the unpacked contents ... [19:29] No, I need to download them from ubuntu.com [19:29] or some mirror [19:29] which ones ? [19:30] linux-modules-extra-*-generic [19:30] ah [19:31] well, that shouldnt be too hard, just make sure to match the correct version [19:31] but dunno if 1 package is enough, I am afraid of downloading dependencies (of dependencies and so on) by hand [19:31] (i.e. the one that is in use when you boot the actual system) [19:32] well, the kernel packages only have very few dependencies ... if at all [19:32] i doubt -modules-extras actually has any [20:01] I live in Poland [20:01] https://packages.ubuntu.com/ is all in Polish, but I do not know Polish [20:01] eh? [20:03] cfoch: it'd depend on your webbrowser, but you can change the "user agent" identification, so you can change it to use English, and the webpages will use that, is a language auto-detection issue [20:04] cfoch: is that the only website with that issue? [20:05] IDK [20:05] How can i download this package: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/kernel/linux-modules-extra-6.8.0-51-generic [20:06] cfoch: well, have you tried using "apt" yet? or the software center GUI? [20:06] ok, found the link [20:06] cfoch: what are you trying to solve anyway? [20:06] I dont have internet connection [20:06] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa2/+build/29337552 [20:07] lshw says "network UNCLAIMED" [20:07] not even ethernet connection [20:07] cfoch: how about when you run a LiveUSB session? does it have wifi? [20:08] no it does not [20:08] But I am not sure to trust, it is an odd OS [20:08] In Windows I have [20:08] I have multi'boot [20:10] cfoch: hmmm whilst on the LiveUSB, did you try to turn the wifi on? [20:10] I mean, it could simply had been off while in the session, as opposed to unable to connect [20:11] cfoch: I mean, your case is a matter of wifi drivers for your wifi card model [20:11] it was working before [20:12] cfoch: mind you, the same is true in windows, if the drivers aren't present for the make and model, which you can always get from the OEM's site [20:12] I was updating from 22.04 to 24.04 and something weird happene [20:12] cfoch, wow ... you didnt mention that with a simngle word over the last 3h [20:13] that info would have helped everyone who tried to help you in here [20:13] I mentioned it [20:13] cfoch: you could have reinstalled roughly 40 times in the time you've been asking for help [20:13] I came here with an issue with /etc/fstab [20:13] I don't want to reinstall [20:14] not yet [20:14] you said that over 2 hours ago [20:14] well, in my client backlog i dont see you mentioning it [20:14] cfoch: so what "weirdness" happened when distro-upgrading then? [20:14] exactly [20:17] I get some error like eth0: renamed from vethXXXXXXX [20:17] according journalctl [20:17] thats not an error [20:18] (just an information your kernel politely gives you) [20:18] cfoch: anything else? [20:18] But I cannot see my network interface when running "ifconfig" [20:18] cfoch: how about iwconfig> [20:19] woops [20:19] cfoch: how about iwconfig? [20:19] * bprompt slaps the keyboard with a dead fish [20:19] we'll make a quilt out of your typos for next christmas ;) [20:27] I do not understand [20:27] I copy pasted a file from Windows into my Linux partition, but can´t see it [20:27] I installed Lubuntu on a Macbook Pro in dual-boot with Mac OS X and now I want to install Kubuntu. What do I need to do to uninstall Lubuntu and install Kubuntu, besides deleting the Lubuntu partition? [20:28] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: once you delete the partition, it's gone [20:30] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: hmmm you don't need to delete the Lubuntu partition, you can simply format it and install Kubuntu in it, OR you can run all three OS side by side each on their own partition [20:30] leftyfb: That's all? Shouldn't I remove the UEFI Boot Entry for Lubuntu? [20:31] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: sure, if you like, though the reinstall will probably just put it right back [20:31] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: btw, if you install KDE desktop and QT in Lubuntu, you'll have Kubuntu per se, and you won't need to remove anything, simply pick your Session from the login screen at startup and hop to LXDE or KDE [20:33] leftyfb: If I remove Lubuntu (by deleting or formating the Lubuntu partition) and then I install Kubuntu, will Lubuntu still remain in the UEFI Boot entry? Or that will be removed once I install Kubuntu? [20:34] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: not sure to be honest. I'll be trivial to remove it either wau [20:34] way* [20:36] I am reinstalling linux-modules-extra. I get a lot of messages like "warning device not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds" [20:36] leftyfb: I found an article, explaining how to remove it on Windows, but this PC has Mac OS X instead. Can I remove it using Kubuntu after the install ? [20:36] I hope it works now [20:37] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: you should be able to remove EFI entries from a live ubuntu environment. I'm not sure of any nuances regarding a Mac [20:39] bprompt, I get with iwconfig: "enp0s31f6 no wireless extensions", and so on with other interfaces [20:40] cfoch: what wifi card make and model do you have? [20:40] no a problem of wifi [20:40] it is a problem with network interface in general [20:40] no ethernet as well [20:41] I have a Thinkpad T14 [20:41] as I said, internet worked before [20:41] leftyfb: Could I format the Lubuntu partition, install Kubuntu and then remove the Lubuntu from the EFI entries using Kubuntu? [20:41] yes [20:41] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: like I said, simply install Kubuntu to the GPT Lubuntu partition and format it right before it, the installation ISO has a ☑ checkbox to have it formatted before installation of any files [20:42] bprompt: I will do that. [20:42] cfoch: well, I'm suspecting the wifi drivers aren't loading, because they aren't there [20:43] cfoch: and if the wifi drivers aren't loading, it doesn't show a wifi interface [20:46] but not even ethernet interface works [20:47] Another quetion: Will Kubuntu run well on a dual-core 2.4 GHz Intel ? [20:48] "well" is subjective here [20:48] lspci shows "ethernet controller intel corporation device 0dc6 ethernet" [20:48] it will run. the problem is probably RAM [20:48] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: what's the machine model? [20:48] do not try with less than 4GB [20:50] bprompt: It's a Macbook Pro 7,1 (mid-2010). It has 4 GB RAM, but I will upgrade to 16 GB RAM tomorow. [20:50] well, 4GB will also not be fun for something like KDE or GNOME ... [20:50] ogra_: What about 16 GB ? [20:51] thats indeed fine [20:51] but with the bigger desktops and some modern apps everything below 6GB will quickly hit swap and become slow [20:52] it will be "usable" indeed ... just not fun [20:53] At first, I installed Lubuntu because of the 4 GB RAM... But since RAM is cheap, I decided to upgrade it from 4 GB to 16, which is why I'm considering Kubuntu as a more embellished Ubuntu flavor. [20:54] hmmm [20:54] What driver should I use for ethernet controller intel corporation device 0dc6 ethernet_ [20:54] ? [20:55] ram is a factor, but no the only one, FSB is a factor, Ram amount and Ram clock speed matters, HDD type is a factor, mind you that using an SSD the machine runs like on crack, about 10 times running an app than using an HDD spinner [20:55] cfoch: the one that comes with the default kernel [20:55] leftyfb, then why i dont have internet connection? any clue? [20:55] " the one that comes with the default kernel" assuming a distro-upgrade didn't bork it [20:55] cfoch: is it even booted? [20:56] beyond recovery mode [20:56] leftyfb, sorry, deeper than that, ethernet devices are not listed [20:56] I am not in recovery mode [20:56] reinstall [20:56] yeah [20:57] It's just the CPU (dual-core 2.4 GHz Intel "Core i5" I5-520M (Arrandale) processor) and the GPU (NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory) what was making me wonder how it will perform on Lubuntu in the long run. [20:57] not yet [20:57] bprompt: I might add a SSD as well, but for the moment, it's running on HDD. [20:58] cfoch: no, you only get a limited amount of times you can say that. You've run out [20:58] itś an opportunity to learn [20:58] With a system that old, FSB nor RAM performance really matters [20:58] I will reinstall tomorrow [20:58] but I can spend 5 hours more [20:58] Its an over decade old laptop, lets be realistic here its slow. That said, yes, an SSD will be a significant usability improvement [20:58] hmm [20:59] cfoch: ok, good luck [20:59] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: are you sure your Mac isn't capped at 4gbs ram? mind you that many laptops are capped memory wise, and some have banks that only take a certain capacity [21:02] strange... I dont have udev package [21:03] this is a severely broken install, it's time to reinstall [21:03] *cough* reinstall *cough* [21:03] bprompt: At first, it was capped at 8 GB. But it was found later that it can go up to 16 GB: https://everymac.com/actual-maximum-mac-ram/actual-maximum-macbook-pro-ram-capacity.html [21:04] Also: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7241604?sortBy=rank [21:05] hmmm [21:06] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: so the cpu is an intel core2 duo, kinda oldie, if you add the SSD and the extra ram, should run decently, mind you that the cpu fan may kick in more than you'd like =) [21:07] Maybe stick to Xubuntu or Lubuntu [21:07] bprompt: It's the CPU that brings doubt to me. [21:07] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: well, right, chances are it'll run it, but the cpu fan will kick in more often than not [21:08] bprompt: Even if it's just web browsing ? [21:08] It's not for gaming or any heavy work [21:09] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: without some ad blocker, maybe https://youtu.be/TE_ePuGAvPM?si=8Uti8DUYyKZOdWuD [21:10] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: specially if it's just web browsing, oddly enough I do webdev, many websites can load "carelessly" too many components at once, my machine is about 2 years old, pretty fast, and still, some lame sites, can run up 100% of the cpu, I can see my meter taking off, some do it by js-injecting Ads, and the ads code is poorly optimized and runs the cpu up, hell about an hour ago I had one site doing that to me, my cpu took off, I had to close [21:10] the freaking webpage tab, other tabs are fine [21:10] xangua: I will be installing uBlock Origins [21:12] bprompt: So ad blockers can help with that? [21:12] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: mind you that most browsers come with and ad-blocker by default, and there are many good ad-block extensions/plugins too [21:13] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: yes and no, assuming is an ad they can pick up, I mean, is a catch-up business, you change the blocking, and the ads go around it, and back and forth [21:14] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: it can also be a legitimately page content, that's either poorly optimized or running heavy with some framework like ReactJS or React, React pages can be heavy, depending on what you're doing [21:15] bonjour [21:16] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: so you can go to the wrong page, and it fan lock-up your browser and the browser will lock-up your system, and off to reboot :) [21:16] !fr | guy [21:16] guy: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper «/join #ubuntu-fr» ou «/join #ubuntu-qc». Merci. [21:16] i need debian chroot or something like that [21:16] bprompt: Does Kubuntu uses much more CPU than Lubuntu? [21:16] ok [21:18] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: hmmm the "K" and "L" in those two ubuntus is just for the "desktop manager" they use, and thus the windows manager too, the cpu usage will depend on what you're running, I run Kubuntu, but I don't use Kwin or plasmoids, I use LXQT which very light, you can say LXQT is the QT version of LXDE, which is better looking and very versatile and light, however the cpu will be as heavy as whatever is being run [21:20] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: so an hour ago, I was running with LXQT and running a few KDE apps and one of the webbrowser's tab took the cpu for a 100% usage spin [21:27] bprompt: I see. I'm using Kubunt Live USB at the moment, as my nick suggests. It's working fine so far. === paran0n9 is now known as paran0n [21:28] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: I'm not saying it won't, I'm just saying the cpu fan may kick in more than often :) [21:29] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: just be mindful, that webpages can get pretty heavy [21:29] or not [21:33] bprompt: Don't you have issues running Kubuntu LXQT? [21:34] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: you mean, LXQT in Kubuntu, nope, runs smooth, I've run it since hmmm version 16.04 I think [21:36] mind you that LXQT uses Kwin as its window manager [21:36] So what is the difference between LXQT in Kubuntu and just using Lubuntu? [21:38] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: LXQT is a desktop manager, "K"ubuntu is just plain Ubuntu prepackaged with KDE and QT mostly, something I'd regularly do, so I'd install a distribution and then I'd install KDE and QT and run kde apps under some desktop manager or session manager like LXDE or "E" and sometimes gnome [21:39] KubuntuLiveUSBUs: early LXQT was a bit cheesy btw, I ran it, they've improved quite a bit in the last 8 years or so [21:39] can I prevent internet connection check with "do-release-upgrade" command? [21:40] cfoch: are you really attempting to re-run do-release-upgrade on a broken install with no internet and device drivers broken? [21:40] No why would you want to ? [21:40] cfoch, no? [21:40] I guess I have all the packages already downloaded [21:40] That's like asking can I browse the web without an internet connection [21:40] cfoch: and why do you think that? [21:41] Because before I restart it was downloading packages [21:41] cfoch: you have a broken install. Reinstall it [21:42] backup your precious date with a live iso... [21:42] c/data === mrathemartian is now known as Noctix [21:45] I will have to load the live iso from network [21:45] so? put in on an usb stick [21:48] i dont have now [21:48] would have to wait until tomorrow xD [21:48] cfoch: ok, good luck tomorrow [22:03] I am able to show up my network interface now [22:04] cfoch: did you reinstall? [22:04] not yet [22:05] now ethernet interface shown up, but still no internet connection [22:05] cfoch: how did you get the network going? [22:07] ip link set up iface?name [22:07] my netowrkmanager service is dead [22:08] cfoch: how did you manage that if you had no udev nor drivers? How did you even determine if udev or drivers were missing? [22:09] ip link was showing the interface [22:09] ifconfig was not [22:10] ifconfig has been deprecated for years [22:10] and how did you determine the udev package was missing? [22:10] udev still missing [22:11] cfoch: how are you determining that? [22:11] havent fixed that [22:11] noise .. [22:11] apt list --installed [22:11] udev is nor listed [22:13] cfoch: apt-cache policy udev [22:14] installed (none) [22:14] you have a broken install, reinstall from scratch [22:14] now I understand [22:15] Well... I think [22:15] I had a network manager service symlink but it was pointing to anywhere [22:15] because I don´t have networkmanager package installed as well! [22:15] cfoch: you have a broken install, reinstall from scratch [22:16] If I try to install udev, it says it conflicts with systemd [22:16] thatś very strange [22:16] or maybe i have two different versions in local [22:16] maybe a new version of systemd and old of udev, or viceversa [22:17] cfoch: or maybe you have a broken install and need to reinstall from scratch [22:20] '10th time ... backup your data and reinstall. ' ... how hard can it be? 4 hrs now [22:20] but reinstalling all packages from scratch would work as well right_ [22:20] ? [22:21] good luck cfoch [22:21] i will reinstall tomorrow [22:21] I want to see how far I can go [22:22] In the past I used to fix these kind of issues without reinstalling. [22:23] cfoch: yes, you can reinstall all packages, mind you that NOW you see why having an "image" of your system is so important when you run very important stuff, have you had an "image" of it, you could just put it back to 22.04 in a few minutes and retry the distro-upgrade [22:23] bprompt: backups, not images [22:23] if it's important, you'd "image" it, if you don't "image" it, is not that important [22:23] well, or a backup [22:24] I give up. [22:25] cfoch: however, just don't forget to backup your $HOME folder, that's where all configurations are, well, about 95% of the configurations, and reconfiguring things can take you up 10 hours or more, so before reinstalling, you'd want to do that [23:04] is there any way to get -git packages on Ubuntu (like some Arch Linux AUR packages)? [23:04] ian|: why? [23:05] i use Arch Linux and want to switch to Ubuntu for convenience. what's holding me back is tracking upstream 1:1 for a few packages [23:05] You can self build of course. There are third party alternatives to AUR like MPR, but they are not supported by ubuntu. [23:06] ian|: you can download the source with "apt source " [23:06] that's for currently packaged source, no? [23:06] git source? i think you need to use git clone for that [23:07] ian|: that's for the source for the latest package in ubuntu [23:08] Arch Linux has the AUR which is supposed to facilitate semi-moderated self-packaging. many of my AUR packages on Arch are already included in mainline Ubuntu repos. i do not not need rolling release mostly, but i do for a few git repos which have AUR packages [23:08] this isn't Arch [23:09] if you need versions of upstream packages that aren't in the ubuntu repo, then you'll need to manually retrieve and install those. This is unsupported here [23:09] also, snaps tend to be more up to date [23:10] is there a way to make a deb package from git builds easily? i've seen 'checkinstall' but i never got it working [23:10] easily, no [23:10] Did you look at MPR after I suggested it? It sounds like what you want. [23:10] !latest | ian| [23:10] ian|: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [23:12] makedeb seems similar to "AUR helpers" on Arch. not officially sanctioned but provide access to a PKGBUILD repo [23:14] Exactly. [23:14] It uses their tool to run scripts that git download, build, and package for you. [23:16] looks like the PKGBUILD format is pretty much the same. thanks!