[00:51] <S010> causative_, are you using a laptop and have wifi turned off?
[00:54] <S010> If yes - then try turning the wifi on and leaving it on even if you don't use it. My bluetooth headphones had terrible connection - like moving my head a little bit would cause cut outs, ultimately I discovered that if I turn on the wifi (even though I don't need it and I use a wired connection) - then there's no problem - I can go all the way to the next room and it still works perfectly.
[00:54] <sarnold> weeeird
[00:55] <S010> My hypothesis is that it has something to do with the fact the chipset apparently is integrated, i.e. I guess it's like both bluetooth and wifi implemented in a single ASIC or something... And maybe powering off the wifi part causes the bluetooth part to be underpowered or something?..
[01:35] <DELL_USER> Greetings, Do you know if Ubuntu 24 Server supports DELL C6420?
[01:36] <DELL_USER> I see only Ubuntu 22 supporting DELL C6420 in official documentation, but do will have any compatibily issues with Ubuntu 24?
[01:36] <pragmaticenigma> DELL_USER: You can download any of the install images and test a live session to determine if it is compatible before installation
[01:38] <benjaminh> hello
[01:38] <benjaminh> it's me
[01:39] <balancedformula> hey there
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> DELL_USER: The listing you found explains what the listed hardware represents. It is not a exclusive list, just a list of machines that are known to run Ubuntu without experiencing any additional tweaks or software. (most machines can run Ubuntu without additional tweaks and software)
[01:42] <benjaminh> it's been years since I used IRC
[01:42] <pragmaticenigma> benjaminh: Do you have an Ubuntu related support question?
[01:43] <benjaminh> I do not. Just testing this channel. Signing off. Have a good night!
[01:43] <pragmaticenigma> benjaminh: for testing and chat please join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:43] <benjaminh> Sounds good. TY
[02:00] <DELL_USER> pragmaticenigma, thanks. I just ask, because in some places I see reports for kernel 6.5 and Ubuntu is not well working with DELL Intel X710 DA2 network adapter.
[02:00] <DELL_USER> I will use this network adapter and need to be sure, do not have any issues with Ubuntu
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[02:07] <administ2ator> hello everyone
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[02:07] <sikerler> turk varmi
[02:12] <sikerler> anybody here
[02:12] <sikerler> ??
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[02:12] <renault> helllloooooo
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[02:27] <pragmaticenigma> DELL_USER_: There have been several updates to the kernel, the only thing I can reommend is to try the live image and see if it works for you. I don't know what kernel 24.04 installs with, you may have to use a secondary adapter temporarily to get updated to the latest kernel
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> DELL_USER_: It would appear that Ubuntu 24.04 shipped with kernel 6.8.
[03:56] <nshire> any stability issues associated with removing pulseaudio and pipewire?
[03:56] <nshire> I started this headless server with an ubuntu desktop image but I've slowly been stripping things out
[04:07] <constxd> bros
[04:07] <constxd> does ubuntu enable all the eBPF stuff
[04:23] <oerheks> constxd, if you are into ebpf, you would have found https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/explanation/intro-to/ebpf/
[04:25] <constxd> Since Ubuntu 24.04, bpftrace and bpfcc-tools (BCC) are available in every Ubuntu Server installation by default
[04:25] <constxd> rare ubuntu W
[05:26] <Elliria> Hey there. Two days ago, I got these updates: Upgrade: git:amd64 (1:2.34.1-1ubuntu1.11, 1:2.34.1-1ubuntu1.12), gitk:amd64 (1:2.34.1-1ubuntu1.11, 1:2.34.1-1ubuntu1.12), rsync:amd64 (3.2.7-0ubuntu0.22.04.2, 3.2.7-0ubuntu0.22.04.3), git-man:amd64 (1:2.34.1-1ubuntu1.11, 1:2.34.1-1ubuntu1.12)
[05:27] <Elliria> Now, my Grsync program won't recognize the path to my external drives to put the backups onto them. Can I revert that rsync upgrade to whatever the original Kubuntu 22.04 LTS version was so that I can do my backups?
[05:43] <enigma9o7> you can check if its still in repo firt i guess.  apt policy rsync does it return multiple versions?
[05:46] <enigma9o7> does it show you a jammy version (3.2.3-8ubuntu3) as well as jammy-updates version?
[05:46] <enigma9o7> ah, you left, well that's helpful
[07:22] <gregor> jjjj
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[07:23] <Guest3392> gdfhwhf
[07:23] <Guest3392> shwrh
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[09:55] <webchat67> Hello, I'm a long-time Windows XP/7 user trying (and failing) to migrate to Ubuntu due to hardware: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 (2007), GeForce 7800 GT (2005), 4GB DDR2 (2006?)
[09:55] <webchat67> I currently know and understand next to nothing about Linux in general, but I've been frantically Googling when I can, trying to learn.
[09:55] <webchat67> After trying, it became clear to me that my hardware was much too old to support the latest (24.04.1 LTS and 24.10) Ubuntu at all. I fruitlessly tried versions one at a time all the way down to 18.04, before giving up on that and trying some alternate flavours of Ubuntu such as Lubuntu, and Xubuntu.
[09:55] <webchat67> Every version of Ubuntu I tried, along with Lubuntu and Xubuntu did not like my GPU at all, and I couldn't seem to figure out how to make it to the desktop(?) after it was installed. Safe graphics mode worked fine to let me install it, and even poke around in the "live" preview thing, but it never gave me the option to boot with safe graphics again
[09:55] <webchat67> afterward, so I was just met with a static screen of graphical artefacts at every boot attempt.
[09:55] <webchat67> Short of upgrading my hardware (yes I know it's egregiously outdated, especially the GPU...), is there any alternative? I'm a bit stuck, since Windows 7 isn't supported by anything any more and I cannot run any Windows newer than that because of my hardware. Also, I apologise for the large amount of text. I had much more typed out, but sat here for
[10:03] <webchat67> I'm a bit confused, do I need to re-send my above query in a paste?
[10:05] <Yoqqu> webchat67, I think you can try older versions of Ubuntu, if upgrading you hardware is not an option
[10:08] <Yoqqu> also there is a posibility that some hardware pieces are not supported at all
[10:08] <webchat67> Yoqqu, would I need to try older than 18.04? I wasn't certain how far back I could go, and still have support for software.
[10:08] <Yoqqu> try to find some info if your hardware is supported at all (drivers, etc)
[10:09] <Yoqqu> I had similar problems in the past, with missing drivers for some equipment
[10:10] <Yoqqu> can't say anything about your specific processor and gpu
[10:17] <webchat67> If it would help any, the motherboard's model is "MCP73VT-PM", which was taken from an old "eMachines" desktop around ~2008 or so. I'm not certain how to go about looking for information about my hardware being supported. Could I please be pointed in a general direction?
[10:20] <pagios> https://linuxiac.com/linux-birthday/
[10:29] <webchat67> It looks as if there was mention of the GeForce 7800 GT in a stack exchange thread regarding Ubuntu 14.04, where they said they couldn't get it working either. Although, this appears to be about the nouveau driver rather than proprietary.
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[10:40] <webchat67> Well, I guess I'll have to keep using Windows 7 until I can figure something out. Ferreting around for newer hardware is likely the only realistic option available to me. Thank you for your time, Yoqqu.
[11:13] <porscha> current stable for use with debootstrap?
[11:14] <porscha> sorry i gotta go
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[11:57] <Guest313> HELO
[11:57] <Guest313> HELLO
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[12:07] <porscha> hello, sorry. so, is this an official ubuntu project https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[12:08] <porscha> what I want is to make a number of ubuntu virtual machines to sandbox my users apart from each other. without the problem of file path collisions in /usr
[12:09] <porscha> this is bad. like some of these websites are bad
[12:10] <ogra_> these images are for clouds/containers only, they are not bootable
[12:10] <porscha> yeah for docker or something right?
[12:10] <ogra_> right
[12:10] <ogra_> lxd or docker
[12:11] <porscha> well is there anything premade I can use? what about the live iso with persistence?
[12:11] <ogra_> you wont be able to run them in VMs without a lot of extra tinkering
[12:11] <ogra_> i'd simply< use the server image with an autoinstall file
[12:12] <porscha> well yeah but I have been messing with debootstrap all night and am about to get my .... shredded
[12:12] <ogra_> debootsrap wont help you either since it will also not create bootable images
[12:12] <ogra_> VMs need a kernel and bootloader properly set up
[12:17] <porscha> where does the autoinstall file go?
[12:17] <porscha> there is all this documentation showing to put it in the mounted live iso
[12:18] <porscha> and that is not going to work. the docs are kinda all over the place. is it just -append "autoinstall ds=/fulle/path" when running qemu with the iso under -d?
[12:19] <ogra_> ds= can point to a http server, just provide it from there
[12:19] <ogra_> https://canonical-subiquity.readthedocs-hosted.com/en/latest/intro-to-autoinstall.html
[12:20] <porscha> can I just use ubuntu-image?
[12:23] <porscha> ok. well thank you for your help. I think I got it
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:45] <mohammad> hello
[12:48] <mohammad> hi
[12:49] <pragmaticenigma> hello mohammad, do you have an Ubuntu support question you'd like to ask?
[13:02] <cebor> Hello, if im using netplan can i savely delete /etc/network? Or are these cfgs used by other tools then ifupdown?
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[13:06] <ravage> i am not 100% sure but 99% that you can delete it. maybe rename it first 🙂
[13:06] <cebor> ;) ty
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[15:17] <luiz> oi
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[17:12] <rollappuser> hey
[17:12] <rollappuser> how is everyone
[17:13] <rollappuser> im tired lol
[17:14] <oerheks> hi rollappuser welcome to ubuntu support
[17:15] <rollappuser> no im not
[17:15] <rollappuser> im just chilling
[17:16] <oerheks> !ot
[17:16] <ubottu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[17:47] <Guest24> I have old intel duo core 2gb ram PC (I plan upgrading ram to 8) ) what ubuntu  version most succesfully would work with it
[17:48] <ravage> Try Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[17:48] <Guest24> I think it's old hardware and newer ubuntu's usually become more resource hungry
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu still does the trick
[17:48] <Guest24> it's not a question of desktop environment
[17:48] <Guest24> I want to put ubuntu 18.04
[17:48] <Guest24> or something even older
[17:48] <oerheks> or mate
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> there's also server + i3 to be light weight Guest24
[17:49] <oerheks> no, do not use 18.04 or older as it is EOL
[17:49] <oerheks> !flavors
[17:49] <ubottu> Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours
[17:49] <Guest24> I think I go with openbox because it's usable as old winxp
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah older doesnt mean better/lighter
[17:49] <Guest24> really?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> yep really
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu with lxqt work great these days
[17:50] <Guest24> hard to trust because my every time when I was just a dude with intel garbage went really to stay on old versions
[17:50] <Guest24> they usually go snappier
[17:50] <oerheks> 2gb gives issues with your browser, one really wants 4 gb or more
[17:50] <Guest24> yeah well it's gonna be just hard drive for files
[17:50] <Guest24> I'm not even browsing net
[17:51] <Guest24> with it
[17:51] <oerheks> oke
[17:51] <Guest24> yall are taking oath on the Bible to support new versions
[17:52] <oerheks> ubuntu server and firefly snap https://snapcraft.io/install/filefly/ubuntu
[17:53] <oerheks> and there are tons of other solutions
[17:53] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/install/bible-multi-the-life/ubuntu
[17:54] <Guest24> lol I might try ubuntu from year before the thing was released
[17:54] <Guest24> I mean I don't need any features anyway
[17:55] <oerheks> you won' t get important security updates
[17:55] <Guest24> it's not on internet again
[17:56] <Guest24> 2008 baby
[17:56] <Guest24> omg
[17:56] <Guest24> it's practically corpse
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> lets keep this ontopic Guest24
[17:58] <Guest24> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" might work fine
[17:58] <Guest24> vista killer
[17:58] <ravage> Please do not install ancient software
[17:58] <Guest24> it's ancient PC
[17:58] <ravage> You will also not get any support for it here
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> Guest24: Your issue isn't the version of Ubuntu, it's your graphics card. You may need to find a more compatible card. Your system should have no issues running the latest Ubuntu version (though you might need to run one of the other flavors for a better experience and to meet preferences)
[17:59] <Guest24> oooh
[17:59] <Guest24> that's better explanation pragmaticenigma
[17:59] <Guest24> tnx
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> Guest24: if your machine has integrated graphics, I would start with removing the graphics card, and running the integrated graphics to get things up and running. once that is working, you can try to put in your graphics card to see if it is detected and can operate (once the system is fully installed and upated)
[18:02] <Guest24> ATI Radeon HD 3470
[18:02] <ravage> I'm almost sure that card will just work
[18:02] <oerheks> too old, ATI 4xxx are supported by openradeon
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> it should, but sometimes to get things operational integrated graphics just gets the heavy lift out of the way
[18:03] <Guest24> https://www.newegg.com/asus-f7-series-f7se-a1/p/N82E16834220314?srsltid=AfmBOopfg0HxC3S5jrhCx-c6v4oeKkiVzqAnlg3d_lfSxwtfAcodgUiH
[18:03] <ravage> Work as in perform age appropriate
[18:04] <oerheks> waiting for rsync update rsync_3.2.7-0ubuntu0.22.04.4_amd64
[18:04] <ravage> I think I already got it on 24.04
[18:05] <oerheks> i am still on .3
[18:05] <ravage> Like yesterday
[18:05] <Guest24> so I go with newest server version of ubuntu 24.04
[18:05] <ravage> Yep
[18:05] <oerheks> got fixed today https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsync/+bug/2095004
[18:05] <Guest24> and then install openbox on top of it
[18:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2095004 in rsync (Ubuntu Jammy) "Internal hashtable error: illegal key supplied!" [Undecided, In Progress]
[18:06] <ravage> Debian for them too
[18:06] <ravage> So that covered my storages
[18:06] <Guest24> maan I hope getting gui on server will not be painfull
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> Guest24: installing a GUI desktop on server is not ideal
[18:06] <ravage> Why do you need a GUI?
[18:07] <Guest24> lol because it's still a pc
[18:07] <Guest24> not a server
[18:07] <ravage> You don't need it for any file serving
[18:07] <Guest24> yeah and I'm going terminal mode on it
[18:08] <Guest24> well the newest version with gnome will be slug on 24.04 if I get that and switch to openbox I'm okay, but it will be terrible at first
[18:09] <Guest24> I literaly cannot find openbox derivatives
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu minimal to the rescue
[18:10] <Guest24> okay
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> or server + i3
[18:11] <Guest24> I still don't like i3 it's just not what I would prefer
[18:11] <Guest24> I like gui because winxp used to work back in days on more shittier devices
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> Guest24: Lubuntu has an interface that is the most similar to the MS Windows design approach
[18:28] <oerheks> or mate
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> Guest24: which is LXDE/LXQt
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah but mate wouldnt be as light as lxqt
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> MATE is also Gnome2.0 ... I see it more closely resembling oler Apple Mac interface to MS Windows
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> you got some serveral roads to choose now Guest24
[18:30] <oerheks> server is like dos 6.22
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> you got us there oerheks :p
[18:50] <Guest24> anyway I recently installed extra 8gb to my 8gb amd 4600h and it started rendering twice as fast
[18:50] <Guest24> sorry for ubuntu offtopic
[18:51] <Guest24> if I put two 4gb in that machine from 2008 it will be like having xbox 360 hard ware wise
[18:51] <Guest24> for 10 bucks
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Guest24 see also
[18:51] <ubottu> Guest24 see also: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!
[19:00] <Lucky88> check
[19:00] <Lucky88> test
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> we see you Lucky88
[19:01] <Lucky88> thank you :-)
[19:12] <dexreo> hello
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[19:14] <oerheks> :-)
[19:21] <dexreo> oerheks hi
[19:23] <pompez> I have a question about GIO's GAppInfo. If I query via `gio mime text/html`, I get https://paste.debian.net/1345518/. But via `xdg-mime query default text/html` returns only `firefox.desktop`. I have a user overriden list in `~/.config/mimeapps.list`, with content https://paste.debian.net/1345519/. How can the two differ? What is the mechanism by which the MIME associations of GIO are set?
[19:27] <oerheks> i bet it is in the manuals https://www.geany.org/manual/gtk/gio/GAppInfo.html https://docs.gtk.org/gio/index.html
[20:33] <ian|> will 'makedeb' ever be in the main repos?
[20:36] <Guest18> I was recently here as I tried to recover my 2008 lapto
[20:36] <Guest18> and yall were wrong, lubuntu 24.04 does not work
[20:36] <Guest18> lubuntu 18.04 works
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> ian|: only if Canonical takes ownership of the project
[20:37] <ian|> is there some news regarding that?
[20:37] <Guest18> turns out 24.04 shows up as non bootable device on laptop fro 2008
[20:37] <Guest18> but it boots 18.04
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> ian|: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[20:39] <Guest18> Yall don't support older version even when laptops work with them
[20:40] <ian|> makedeb afaik doesn't include a repo, but has an officially sanctioned one, but to access it there's a different utility
[20:40] <ian|> makedeb in its purest form is a PKGBUILD->deb converter
[20:41] <pragmaticenigma> Guest18: older versions aren't supported because they're not updated anymore. older version of the OS are provided for research, archival access. They are not recommended for daily use as there are likely many security and patches that will not have been applied to the software made available since its release or more specifically it's EOL.
[20:42] <Guest18> yeah but it's not going to be online system
[20:42] <pragmaticenigma> Guest18: That's fine, you can do what you desire... Help here focuses on the currently in service versions of Ubuntu as being in their active support cycles.
[20:47] <sarnold> Guest18: does that old laptop only have a 32 bit processor? support for 386 was dropped in 19.10 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes#Upgrades_on_i386
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> Guest18: instead of putting so much focus on the version of Ubuntu, your time would be better spent identifying your machine more specifically ("I was here earlier" is very vauge as you're using a Guest handle, and those are recycled frequently) ... A laptop from 2008 may have a 32-bit EFI firmware on it, which requires additional steps to get working. 18.04 was the last version of ubuntu to support 32 bit systems. which may explain why
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> that version works but nothing since. without more information about what you are using, help is limited.
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> ian|: you can always create a ticket in the bug tracker to request its addition in the ubuntu repositories.
[21:02] <Guest18> I booted up lubuntu 18.04 tried to install but drive I choosed to format turned out to be same drive lubuntu is on
[21:02] <Guest18> now my flash drive does not appear on ubuntu but appears on windows
[21:02] <Guest18> how do I make sure it appears in ubuntu
[21:02] <Guest18> I need to reformat it and put lubuntu again on it
[21:03] <Guest18> I also have no idea what operating system can choose it's own bootable flashdrive to be installed on
[21:03] <sarnold> you don't need to 'format' a usb mass storage device before putting an installer on it, as writing the installer overwrites whatever filesystem is on the drive
[21:03] <Guest18> since 128 gb are on both hard drive and flash drive I could not think that it is
[21:03] <Guest18> yeah ok but where is drive on ubuntu?
[21:04] <sarnold> I think a lot of people use https://rufus.ie/en/ to write their drives from windows
[21:04] <Guest18> I need it from ubuntu
[21:04] <sarnold> I just use dd when I'm on linux
[21:04] <Guest18> read
[21:04] <sarnold> I find out what device node to use by reading dmesg
[21:05] <Guest18> wait it can be found be startup disk creator
[21:05] <Guest18> maybe it does work
[21:13] <Guest18> okay so my lubuntu boots but it does not find hard drive
[21:15] <sarnold> you may need to fiddle with bios settings, sometimes there's something like "intel rapid storage tech" or "intel raid" or "intel matrix" or some other nonsense
[21:19] <leftyfb> Guest18: ubuntu 18.04 is no longer supported
[21:24] <Guest18> alright so what I think I found out is that both ssd drives are dead
[21:24] <Guest18> this bios is simply giving less options than any bios I have seen
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[22:01] <oerheks> YAY!!!
[22:01] <oerheks> rsync update
[22:01] <oerheks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nM3vGdanpw
[22:01] <oerheks> err
[22:01] <oerheks>  rsync_3.2.7-0ubuntu0.22.04.4_amd64
[22:05] <WaV>  Anyone have issues with the ESM repository or just me?
[22:05] <WaV> E: The repository 'https://esm.ubuntu.com/apps/ubuntu jammy-apps-security Release' is no longer signed.
[22:06] <leftyfb> WaV: same issue here
[22:07] <WaV> hrm
[22:07] <oerheks> same here
[22:07] <oerheks> !bug
[22:07] <ubottu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[22:07] <oerheks> let me file a bugreport
[22:07] <WaV> 10-4
[22:09] <oerheks> against what package?
[22:09] <WaV> Idk honestly because ESM isn't a package
[22:10] <oerheks> ubuntu-advantage-tools ?
[22:11] <WaV> I guess that'll work
[22:14] <WaV> It doesn't appear I got any updates for that package from ESM, but I don't see them denying the bug report for such a thing.
[22:15] <oerheks> me neither
[22:50] <oerheks> WaV, this is fixed >> https://esm.ubuntu.com/apps/ubuntu jammy-apps-security Release' is no longer signed.
[22:50] <oerheks> just a glitch
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