[00:15] yes [00:19] What would be the best place to post a freelancer project to convert existing saltstack to ansible? My experience with freelancer is that you'll get chatgpt-generated garbage that they didn't bother to even spot check. Upwork requires a non-voip phone number, and I don't give that out to places that will definitely sell my data. [00:20] err... wrong channel, sorry === Stargazer is now known as Stargazzer [00:26] hi all [00:29] hi [00:29] hi [00:29] s [00:29] sorry just checking ;P :D [01:25] Coming to nearest Summer, directed by elmetah, Ubuntu Legacy [01:27] why do you think this is ok? [01:28] You aren't meant to be here right now el [01:28] pick a channel im not a named op in then [01:28] Okay [01:28] or better yet, don't do spammy bits around the network in support channels. [01:28] Okay === mike_ is now known as geem [03:35] just installed Ubuntu 24.04 on a Lenovo Ideapad slim 3 Ryzen 7. The laptop will not suspend. It will suspend and then immediately wake up with a non functioning keyboard. Same exact thing happens with the latest ver of Linux Mint. the syslog shows some ACPI errors among the suspend events.. [03:36] webchat42: suspend isn't worth the trouble [03:36] I'm willing to report a bug.. found many posts with similar issue but none of the fixes work with this particular laptop [03:37] thank you [03:39] webchat42: ACPI issue - try changing the DSDT - just worjed similiar: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/acpi-error-ae-not-found-gpe-pl6b/53354/3 . [03:39] worked* [03:41] OK I'll string the DST file and see about this [03:57] pragmaticenigma: that's a pretty poor response, what makes you say it's not worth it? [04:15] thrice: This isn't the correct place for such a discussion [04:18] well, someone asked for help, and your response was "it's not worth fixing" [04:19] thrice: again, this isn't the place for that [04:20] I would argue this isn't a place for YOUR comment :D [04:21] hola, alguien habla espanol? [04:22] !es | christian [04:22] christian: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. [04:24] ok gracias [04:43] EZ === uralt6 is now known as uralt [04:52] changing the boot params to use the DSDT windows version didn't do the trick.. I see an issue in the syslog.. looks to be an issue with the machine and ACPI .. where to turn now? [04:52] !acpi [04:52] to debug ACPI issues on ubuntu make sure your bios is up to date and follow the procedure here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI [04:52] this is a fairly new laptop and would be stellar to use LM with it [04:52] ok [04:53] exact same issue using Linux Mint BTW .. so it's something in the kernel code [04:53] machine will suspend fine using Win 11 [04:53] thank you [04:54] webchat42, if the machine sleeps and wakes itself back up, it's not ACPI... it's a hardware device connected to the machine that is sending a wake signal [04:54] webchat42: can you run this please?: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999 [04:55] hi, I am trying to set up rdp remote desktop on gnome. I went to settings in gnome-settings and enabled the remote desktop settings. However, it seems like my service gnome-remote-desktop.service exits immediately. Can anyone help? [04:56] eruditehermit, can you paste to https://bpa.st , the output of `systemctl status gnome-remote-desktop.service` [05:01] https://bpa.st/QWEA [05:02] looks like it is running then [05:03] pragmaticenigma: when I run: ↳ sudo netstat -plnt I don't see 3389 listening [05:07] I'm not on my Ubuntu system at the moment, but I think the settings control tells you what interface/port it's listening or would be reachable on [05:10] pragmaticenigma: it says 3389 which is the default [05:11] have you tried connecting from another machine yet? [05:11] pragmaticenigma: yes it doesn't work [05:11] if I use nmap from that machine it says 3389 is not open on my server machine [05:13] is the machine you are trying to setup on wifi or ethernet? [05:14] ethernet [05:16] have you tried a reboot yet? or at least a log out and back in? [05:17] pragmaticenigma: yes [05:19] I'm not sure unfortunately [05:22] oh I made some progress, seems the server is listening on 3389 now. However my client krdc isn't able to connect [05:22] I found this utility grdctl which lets you start/set things from the commandline [05:32] pragmaticenigma: it works, krdc is just bad. I used remmina and it works now. [05:32] thank you pragmaticenigma [05:33] sounds like you did the hard work, but glad if I was able to help in someway [05:34] hi === knightwi1e is now known as knightwise [10:43] help [10:43] hello [10:45] hi [10:46] hu === ckl is now known as Fruggy [12:50] can someone help test connecting to my irc server using an ipv6 addrss? i interested to see if it works lmk ? 2a01:4b00:9014:b600:2ecf:67ff:fec9:f34d/6697 using invalid / self signed certificate option to connect im in channel called #lobby [13:10] can someone help test connecting to my irc server using an ipv6 addrss? i interested to see if it works lmk ? 2a01:4b00:9014:b600:2ecf:67ff:fec9:f34d/6697 using invalid / self signed certificate option to connect im in channel called #lobby [13:23] Hi all [13:45] ty vii wherever you are for helping :D [13:48] Hello. Any solutions for this ongoing issue that seems to date back for well over 10 years? [13:48] Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 not working [13:49] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1455399/microsoft-natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000-not-working-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts [13:50] The older solutions suggest to modify or update the kernel [13:51] probably easier to update the keyboard [13:52] I have selected the keyboard from the drop down menu. Calculator button still not working [13:52] but that page does not modify the kernel or update it. is just installs an extra package [13:53] The older solutions are to modify the kernel. This issue is over 10 years old [14:03] Or should I try this 13 [14:04] year old solution ? [14:04] https://askubuntu.com/questions/33038/how-to-get-microsoft-natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000s-zoom-slider-and-other-bu [14:04] Kunor: Are you really suggesting the potential of breaking your entire system over a button that doesn't work on your keyboard? [14:05] Kunor: and no, 13 year old suggestions are very much not recommended. a lot has changed in the system since that time. Especially moving from a kernel of 2.x or 3.x to the current 6.x. [14:08] whoever test123 is ty for helping testing my server [14:09] Guest46: unless you have a support question regarding Ubuntu, please use #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat. [14:12] I use rpi 5 16 gb model using ubuntu os how do enable hardware accelorated graphics is this possable? [14:12] Hey, ... why does /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d contain a 50-cloud-init.conf which force-enables password authentication even as I have disabled it in the mai nsshd_config? [14:12] have you restarted the ssh server after? [14:12] yes [14:13] 50-cloud-init.conf literally contains 'PasswordAuthentication yes', and options in sshd_config.d naturally override options in sshd_config [14:13] cant you just change it to no and restart? [14:13] This keyboard works with Linux Mint out of the box with no fiddling. Im sure the Ubuntu can do it somehow. [14:14] 50-root-login.conf is a system file, I assume it would get overwritten? [14:14] as part of a system upgrade or something [14:14] make it read only [14:14] read-only by root..? [14:14] file a !bug Kunor [14:14] anyway I can create a new conf in sshd_config.d but I'm wondering why it's there [14:16] Kunor: then perhaps the solution is to use Linux Mint instead. Seems a lot less of a hassle than recompiling your kernel and forever wondering if other issues are a result of that or something else. If it were me, I'd boot up Linux Mint, and use that article you linked to, to see if those suggestions are implemented there. If they are, you have a template for getting your keyboard working. If not, then you can use their support channels [14:16] and forums to figure out what they have done to get that particular piece of hardware working. [14:16] put in strict mode StrictModes yes [14:16] when you use certificate based auth! [14:17] mint & ubuntu share the same LP for kernels [14:17] was that @ me Guest46? [14:18] lotuspsychje: it's not a kernel issue [14:18] no need for kernel recompile then :p [14:19] mort: what exactly are you trying to do? that may help steer you in the correct direction for getting your problem solved [14:19] I am trying to figure out why Ubuntu ships a config file which force-enables password authentication even when it's disabled by sshd_config [14:21] mort: are you certain the two are even connected? also, running unprotected sshd is consindered a very bad idea, are you sure there isn't some default that if all authentication methods are off, a default of requiring password is always applied? [14:21] which two [14:24] i use ubuntu on a rpi and i dont have that issue at all! which ssh server do you run? [14:24] openssh [14:25] yer i dont have that issue, theres 3 conf files for open ssh 1 is user 1 is system wide and 1 is for clientside [14:25] pragmaticenigma: if you are asking whether I'm certain that the file in sshd_config.d with 'PermitPasswordAuthentication yes' is connected to the fact that password authentication is permitted despite being disabled in sshd_config, then ... yes, yes I am [14:25] it's clearly documented and well known that options in sshd_config.d take priority over the main sshd_config file, that's the point of sshd_config.d [14:26] your not using open ssh then as these are the 3 open ssh uses [14:26] User-specific configuration: [14:26] ~/.ssh/config [14:26] This file is specific to your user account. You can customize host-specific configurations, keys, and other options here. [14:26] System-wide configuration: [14:26] This file applies to all users on the system. It is the default configuration file for the SSH client. [14:26] I am using OpenSSH [14:26] mort: Are you using the Ubuntu cloud image, or Ubuntu Desktop image? [14:26] pragmaticenigma: ubuntu server [14:27] mort: I would wait for a weekday and ask in the #ubuntu-server channel then. [14:27] is this Ubuntu Desktop-specific? [14:28] mort: your question is highly specific and the idea comes from trying to help you reach someone that is more experienced in working with more server level configuration. [14:28] regardless you're probably right that #ubuntu-server knows more about this cloud-init stuff [14:30] mort: it's possible someone will come here at some point and have better answers. what I was suggesting earlier is that if you don't have alternative authentication methods enabled, the service may auto config to require passwords. I have been down this path myself, but gave up. I figured that as long as root cannot login at all, I was happy enough to just use my keyfiles [14:33] mort: the only thing I do know of is that the entry PasswordAuthentication must be present. If that option is not defined explicately, it will default to ON. [14:34] the thing is that even if you set 'PasswordAuthentication no' in sshd_config, password authentication will still be enabled due to the 50-cloud-init.conf file [14:35] mort: what about ChallengeResponseAuthentication, UsePAM [14:35] the solution here is to make a file like sshd_config.d/00-security.conf (that's what I called it at least) and set 'PasswordAuthentication no' there, it will override the config set from 50-cloud-init.conf [14:35] so I don't need help with disabling password authentication as such [14:36] I'm just extremely surprised that Ubuntu by default, now, overrides the setting and force-enables PasswordAuthentication even when it's set to off in sshd_config [14:38] mort: shot in the dark.. make a back-up of /etc/sshd_config ... and create a new one with only the line `Include /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/*.conf` within it. Make sure any settings that you disire that were in the original sshd_config file are migrated to your 00-security.conf file. [14:39] as I said, I don't need help here, I have disabled password authentication and I understand why my change to sshd_config wasn't getting applied [14:40] mort: This advice is based on a different service I configure where they had the include at the top, but the rest of the config file would override anything that was defined in the .d folder because it import .d before it applied its own changes [14:40] I'm wondering why ubuntu server by default installs a file which overrides the user's PasswordAuthentication option [14:40] mort: That's a question you would have to file a bug ticket to get an answer for [14:41] did you install it through the ISO yourself? [14:41] ravage: yes [14:41] and did you import an ssh key during the setup? [14:42] I know that the cloud-init function is installed by default for ubuntu-server. I use ubuntu-server, but my first order of operation was to uninstall the cloud-init packages because I have absolutely no use for them [14:42] ravage: no [14:42] then the settings makes sense right? [14:42] no? [14:42] how else would you connect to the server remotely then? [14:42] the way everyone has done it since the dawn of time? [14:43] PasswordAuthentication is enabled by default in sshd_config [14:43] "it has always been this way" is not valid. sorry [14:43] the typical process before cloud-init was: you set up a new server, you copy over your keys, verify that they work, then disable PasswordAuthentication in sshd_config [14:44] ok. and now that is in an extra file [14:44] my argument isn't "this is a change and change is bad", my argument is "overriding users' manually configured security settings to be more lax than what the user changes them to is bad" [14:44] the default setting is not to allow password auth [14:44] so they added that file to make it possible for the initial login [14:44] that's not true [14:45] the default sshd_config shipped by Ubuntu contains a commented-out 'PasswordAuthentication yes' with a comment explaining that in order to disable password auth, you uncomment that and change it to no [14:46] sorry. i was at the root login setting i think [14:46] is this 24.04? i installed that some time ago and i dont remember any cloud-init file [14:46] This is 24.04 yes [14:47] could be a late change to subiquity? I checked the "upgrade installer" checkbox during the install [14:48] I really have no clue other than there is a file called 50-cloud-init.conf which I didn't create and which enables password authentication [14:48] mort: wait, is that file in /etc/sshd/sshd_config.d ? [14:49] https://jnet.forumotion.com/t2095-removing-cloud-based-init-on-ubuntu-server#3242 [14:49] pragmaticenigma: well, /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d [14:49] its cus hes using ubuntu server [14:49] mort: change your prefix on yours to 99 and try again [14:49] pragmaticenigma: mine has prefix 00 and it's working [14:49] that ships with cloud init overide for openssh i told him how to fix it [14:50] sshd is different from most other things, instead of later entries overriding earlier ones, sshd has earlier entries override later ones [14:50] mort: config files are imported in alphanumeric order... 00 comes before 50 [14:50] so anything in 50 would override what is found in 00 [14:50] yes, and earlier ones override later ones [14:50] https://jnet.forumotion.com/t2095-removing-cloud-based-init-on-ubuntu-server#3242 shows how to do it [14:50] mort: what have you got to lose but to try it? [14:51] pragmaticenigma: I mean I have, I tried to add a 99-security.conf in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d at first and it didn't work, I renamed it to 00-security.conf and it did work, and this makes sense because it's in line with how sshd configuration works otherwise [14:52] ubuntu server ships with cloud ready init overides he dosnt need or use so remove openssh overide for cloud init on ubuntu server easy https://jnet.forumotion.com/t2095-removing-cloud-based-init-on-ubuntu-server#3242 [14:52] Guest46: please stop [14:52] if you have two lines in one config file 'PasswordAuthentication no' and 'PasswordAuthentication yes', the earlier line overrides the later line; it makes sense that the same is the case for overriding config options between files [14:52] hey guys, i have a problem with an nfs export that i can't find a solution for. I never had this problem before. my /etc/exports only has one line: "/srv/files 192.168.0.3(ro,sync,no_subtree_check,all_squash)" but when i mount it, the uid/gid are 102:109 and not from nobody. why is that? [14:53] it will be overidden by that cloud overide im talking about changing settings wont do it he needs to remove the cloud overide! [14:53] btw. 102:109 are the owner/group on the nfs server [14:53] Guest46: that was alraedy discussed [14:57] https://bpa.st/FPJQ [14:58] just did a fresh 24.04.1 ISO install with the updated installer [14:58] my ssh_config.d directory is empty [14:58] https://bpa.st/FPJQ thats how to fix it [14:59] ravage: with the server image? [14:59] yes [14:59] weird [14:59] odd... [14:59] ravage: did you check the checkbox to update the installer? Did you import keys as part of the installation? [14:59] args. sorry. i was doing too many things in parallel [15:00] i was in the wrong directory [15:00] it exists [15:00] scary tbh [15:01] does it contain PasswordAuthentication yes for you too? As Guest46 has pointed out a few times, apparently cloud-init can be configured to either enable or disable password auth, and it does that via that 50-cloud-init.conf file [15:01] it makes some sense to put it in there. the installer has [X] for password auth. and to make sure that setting is persistent they chose to put it in an extra file instead of modifying the default config [15:01] the weird thing is that the default config already enables password auth [15:01] and they use one place to modify that setting. no matter what you choose [15:02] my main worry is that loads of people will go through older guides on how to set up an Ubuntu server system and be told to put SSH keys in authorized_keys and then disable password auth in sshd_config, and unknowingly be left with insecure systems [15:03] well. get a current guide then [15:03] or they'll know from experience how to set up a secure Ubuntu system and manually change sshd_config, thinking they've prevented password auth [15:03] things change [15:03] i am not sure if that was already the case in the 22.04 installer [15:04] im too lazy to try and install another VM [15:04] maybe don't change things in such a way that something which used to be the recommended way to make your system secure, now silently keeps your system insecure [15:04] cloud-init was a thing when I did 20.04... I'm sure it was there too, but as I mentioned, I purged the cloud-init package from my system [15:04] the .d directory is a totally valid way to customize settings [15:04] where did I say it wasn't [15:05] cant find something related right away on the new installer, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0 [15:05] it is not a bug [15:05] it is just how they decided to deploy settings [15:06] weird, I have one ubuntu server 22.04 system where 50-cloud-init.conf exists and enables password auth without me knowing (yikes!!) and one ubuntu server 22.04 system where 50-cloud-init.conf doesn't exist [15:07] you can also just delete it. it will not be re-created [15:07] it's insidious because once you have added your ssh key to authorized_keys, you no longer have any indication that password auth is enabled, so it's completely silently disabling security [15:07] on a local installation cloud-init is not enforced on every boot [15:08] why is it even included by default for a local install? [15:08] anyway I think this topic is discussed enough, I kinda understand why it's there now, it's still scary but at least it's not hard to change [15:09] because autoinstaller is an extension of the cloud-init syntax [15:09] while it enables a less than ideal authentication mode, it at least still requires authentication to be used to access the system [15:13] mort i said how to fix it you just dont listen lol [15:13] the "fix it" part is already done. like 20 mins ago [15:14] yeah I made a 00-security.conf file already [15:14] instead you can really just delete the 99 file [15:14] it does not not come back after a reboot [15:14] Guest46: it's hard for anyone to take someone seriously without a registered nick here. If you want to help, I would register for a nick, at least adds some credibility to your presence [15:15] I prefer doing it this way, whether or not 50-cloud-init.conf exists or not doesn't matter with my approach, and I can leave sshd_config default [15:16] if I just deleted 50-cloud-init.conf that'd just means that my changes to sshd_config wouldn't get overriden anymore, I'd still have to actually change the config, either by adding a .conf file or modifying sshd_config (since as we discussed the default is to enable password auth) [15:17] but you only need one file. the one you created [15:17] the cloud-init file is useless now [15:17] yeah so it doesn't matter whether or not it's there [15:18] you said people get confused easily. not me 🙂 [15:19] but i guess the topic is done here now anyway. carry on [15:19] hes loss [15:20] loss? === Guest72 is now known as Linuxbass [17:13] My laptop suspends and then wakes up immediately to the login screen, but the keyboard does not work any longer and a full system reset is necessary to access it again. All this happens in less than a couple seconds. I've looked at a number of posts and all the fixes I have tried are dead ends. [17:13] The problem occurs on a Lenovo Idea Pad Slim 3 Ryzen 7 Ubuntu 24.04 kernel 6.8.0-51 [17:15] I have a question out on ask ubuntu.Windows suspends fine, Ubuntu/Linux Mint with same kernel vers show this behavior. Even Linux Mint with a earlier Kernel version does nto suspend.. sigh... [17:16] The reason it dead ends is each time someone solves it, a kernel update, microcode update, or some other update nerfs it. Things to look for are wireless devices that are not powering down, make sure Wake On LAN, Wake on WLAN is disabled. Make sure you don't have a wireless keyboard/mouse dongle attached to the machine. [17:18] there are no external devices connected.. it doesn't have an ethernet port [17:18] I just bought this laptop.. [17:18] sometimes bios updates can help device drivers shut down properly [17:18] but generally speaking, suspend not working reliably is a rather common issue [17:19] yeah [17:19] generally solved in Linux though [17:19] specialy on lenovos [17:19] Windows still doesn't really have suspend/resume [17:19] yea, I made a mistake and over wrote the OEM Windows 11 that came with it.. the BIOS update is only available as an Windows 11 exectuable.. [17:19] it was suspending fine using Win 11 [17:19] at some point Windows will catch up, and might even get multi monitor support === lucenera4 is now known as lucenera [17:20] gordonjcp: It very much still has suspend and resume. please make sure you verify things [17:21] it being windows [17:21] pragmaticenigma: I've never seen that actually work on anything [17:21] I just tried re-installing the Win 11 but it needs device drivers I can't find.. Fortunately I bought this a refurb from Lenovo.. damn pain in the butt [17:21] pragmaticenigma: if I suspend my Thinkpad, it suspends, if I suspend my work HP laptop which has some distro of Windows on it, and put it in my laptop bag, it's absolutely red hot with a flat battery in about ten minutes [17:22] Linuxbass: Lenovo is pretty good about having a windows driver pack on their support site. [17:22] yea, I'm pretty good about finding this stuff but if you want to have a crack at it it's a IdeaPad slim 3 15ABR8 type 82xm [17:22] type 82xmx026us [17:23] could not find the media drivers [17:25] one gripe I have with lenovo... you need to know the "series" of the machine... [17:27] Linuxbass: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/ideapad-s-series-netbooks/slim-3-15abr8/downloads/driver-list [17:28] been there already.. no driver "pack" or USB/media drivers [17:30] maybe I'm missing something but not sure about these motherboard and chipset drivers.. they are also executables .exe files [17:30] damn, I'd just like to update the BIOS old school way.. give me a DOS flash program and the image file LOL [17:31] I was pointing you to being able to recover your windows11 drivers... I have no solutions for linux side [17:31] i understand [17:31] https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles/kycn36ww.exe contains the bios update in directory /LenovoBiosUpdateTool/Rfs/Fw/IdeaPad/ - it looks like an uefi capsule [17:31] i should have never over written Win 11 on the box.. damn [17:32] ah, cool.. tomreyn.. [17:33] there are windows PE distributions you can run from external bootable media (or an iso file if your boot loader can load those). but the details of this would rather be for #windows [17:33] yea archive manager will open the exe [17:33] damn, good thinking tomreyn [17:33] Linuxbass: honestly, suspend is old tech that isn't seen as necassary anymore but most of the industry. it's purpose made sense when it took significantly longer to boot a machine. I would instead focus my energy on selecting a Desktop environment that can remember your last session or presetup a session to launch programs when you boot up [17:34] in the future, if you want a good chance that suspend works OOTB, buy a laptop which is sold with a linux installation option. [17:34] LOL, sorry prag. Suspend is a must have for many folks.. [17:36] tinreyn: had great luck with my last two thinkpads .. this idea pad is finicky.. OS looks to work but suspend works with ACPI and that is probably tough for Linux developers to stay on top of for each BIOS out there .. thousands of code implementations [17:36] to add onto tomreyn ... looking at the professional line of laptops from manufactures. IdeaPad is a lineup of machine targetted at home users, and are (IMO) cobbled together from random parts to meet a price point with little gaurentee they'll work together in anything but the OS that was preinstalled. [17:37] I never throw down big money for systems.. my last thinkpad P50 with 32g ram and 512G SSD i7 cost me $200 and it's a tank and works great with Linux [17:38] ThinkPad is Lenovo's professional line... see my comment earlier [17:38] ThinkPads are also sold with Linux options [17:38] some are. and there are other brands which also do. [17:39] yea, I wanted a lightwieght travel laptop .. I will look but I have a feeling most Thinkpads are going to be heavier laptops [17:40] this ideapad with a Ryzen 7 is pretty quick .. 16G RAM(soldered in though and not upgradeable) [17:40] 512SSD [17:40] anyways.. if I manage to get the BIOS updated and it still doesn't work I will return it [17:44] Linuxbass: yet another bios upgrade approch (besides uefi capsule, windows PE) is to run windows in a vm and use the lenovo provided bios update tool to create bootable media in there, then boot the main system from that [17:44] Linuxbass: a suggestion in the future, make a back up disk image of new machines. saves a lot of time, and if you have to go back to windows for something, it's a quick and painless way to get things back to where the manufuacture was [17:45] what image tool do you use for Windows .. can be tricky with bitlocker and all this other boot security stuff [17:46] there's limited windows support in #windows [17:46] clonezilla... and a disk image is a disk image... it doesn't care about bitlocker [17:46] yea I use clonezilla a lot it works well .. haven't tried to image and then reimage windows in a great while [17:47] I'm trying to think if I have worked on anylaptop where bitlocker was enabled at the factory... I don't think any of them have been. [17:47] usually it's a prompt during the OOTB setup [17:53] kick [18:01] hi [18:02] installer ask me : utc, localtime ... [18:02] have you an help page ? [18:04] https://help.ubuntu.com [18:05] https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop [18:07] if you're in italy, your time zone is CET, or Europe/Rome, or UTC/GMT+1 [18:07] servers are usually set to use UTC timezone === Guest1547 is now known as buttros [18:30] thank you 4 helping me ... [18:51] Hi there. Any idea how to get `libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37` for ubuntu 24.10? This is required by an older Cisco Anyconnect... In 24.04 this webkit-gtk version was still available. I guess it would be a bad idea to symlink the 4.1.x version to 4.0.37 [18:53] The best way to run outdated software is in a VM [18:56] TomTom: you should be able to use openconnect and one of its GUIs (networkmanager-openconnect or the other, i forgot what that's called) instead. [18:58] Unfortunately not. I spend already hours over hours to get open source versions running... They are sending this hostscanner app which checks your VPN/host... [18:58] (this may or may not work if they require you to run the "check if this system is secure"-like binary component) [18:58] i guess that's the one [18:59] tell your employer to use proper software, or switch employer ;) [18:59] I really really hat this cisco security by obscurity approach. They have already fixed this problem by adding the required lib into the distribution. But you can not get a new version without cisco account, and the clients have to be distributed by the VPN provider. [19:12] ok. symlinking the required libs to the latest ones did not work without crash B-) as predicted... now I am going to hunt the single .deb's... until now its "only" three. I guess i will grow exponentially until I have all debs for 23.10 and tons of conflicts... The VM way is probably the less painful one [19:15] TomTom: if it was me, and this was a machine I used for work, I'd stay on the LTS releases. As that is very likely the same release cycle that Cisco is watching to make updates when needed./ [19:17] I said it already. Cisco has fixed this. But you can not easily obtain the client which fixed that. You have to convince the IT department of the customer to verify and rollout a new version of the linux client... [19:18] or you can switch to windows(vm)... Since 40 years, the same... [19:19] TomTom: The point I was making is that business is slow... LTS is a slow channel for releases. Meaning you're likely to have a lot less issues if you stayed in the LTS channel in regards to your job. [19:22] unfortunately, with this distribution model, you don't just depend on one slow party to make regular releases, but two. i've also had my share of wonderful experiences with anyconnect / sslvpn === jgee43 is now known as jgee4 [21:03] hola [21:03] comoentro a la sala desde irc [21:14] hola [21:14] hello, world [22:02] is there a way to rule out a hardware problem like a broken input jack on a soundcard? [22:03] i cant get any input from a built in mic, or a plugged in one. pavuctrl shows when it is plugged, but i cant get any input. the hardware mute switch is confirmed [22:41] yeah hi, i have been installing ubuntu since ubuntu_12 back in 2012. i thought it came out earlier than that. back then ubuntu was fucking shit [22:41] now ubuntu has loads of goodies and has made a comeback [22:43] if ubuntu is based on debian, why are terminal installs different in most cases when you read them from a website ? how can ubuntu installs be so different to debain ? [22:43] i am wondering as i am awesome at using debian and i quite often install software using the ubuntu terminal commands [22:43] yes [22:43] i am terrific [22:45] hi dot1q [22:45] give us an example? [22:45] what kind of example oerheks ? are you being cheeky ? [22:46] most examples from debian work flawlessly on ubuntu too [22:48] lewi: you made a bold claim of Ubuntu having a difference in installing packages from Debian. You're going to have to explain what you are seeing or show and example of what you are experiencing. [22:48] exactly oerheks [22:48] i agree [22:48] i found it hard to believe there was actually separate lines of code to copy paste into terminal that distinguished debian and ubuntu as separate distros altogether [22:48] i found ubuntu was just a debain build with a few extras like windows. making it easy for losers to use debain [22:48] how easy is ubuntu ? [22:48] piece of piss i thought [22:49] .. copy rant from an other channel? or an Ai bot? [22:50] troll [22:50] is my guess [22:51] making a bold claim of things being different and not being able to provide an example is just someone wasting our time and trying to start an unwinnable debate [22:52] a.k.a. flamewar [22:52] yes, in short hand ;) [22:56] how do i rule out a hardware error with a microphone input on a soundcard? [22:57] spot_pooped_agai: test it with another OS [22:57] do i take apart the laptop and look for a crushed up 3.5mm phono input jack on the mainboard? [22:57] i tested it with MATE [22:57] and JackalPup0.0 [22:57] try Windows [22:58] does that still exist? [23:00] open terminal: alsamixer # and see is something muted? [23:06] nah, everything is all the way up [23:07] audacity, reaper... [23:07] nothin [23:08] i think its the input jack [23:08] but if that were true i could wiggle it and get some analog noise bits at some point [23:09] thing is, it displays in pavuctrl when the mic is plugged in or not... it toggles between internal and external mic, but none are working [23:09] its got to be a software hangup [23:10] if it were a bad port, that setting might flicker between internal/external [23:11] spot_pooped_agai: you know a port/device can be bad without being intermittently bad right? [23:11] then how does it know to toggle the internal/external state? [23:12] that has to be the ground lift on the physical port is working [23:12] it sounds like you already know the problem with it and how to fix it [23:13] it sounds more like HP had an unwanted baby [23:13] i bet i look at the board and it's clean as a whistle [23:18] did you look for you hp machine specs and mic issues? [23:19] yeah, first thing i saw was that HP tech support marked it as solved and never actually fixed it [23:33] im gonna try several other distros [23:33] im gonna open it up and look for blast marks [23:34] but i think it's a shitty driver for a shitty unsupported corporate attempt to hot-rod a normal card into some catch phraze to sell [23:35] it might be the power manager [23:35] spot_pooped_agai: please mind your choice of words. foul language is not allowed here [23:35] i dono [23:35] Daddy! Spor Poopied on the carpet again!