| pragmaticenigma | not sure what you are trying to point out there | 00:01 |
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| makara1 | well there're a lot of broken things | 00:29 |
| makara1 | thats "normal". So when i actually have an issue it looks like any number of things | 00:30 |
| makara1 | rsync-ing my files off now. Exhausted all reasonable options | 00:30 |
| makara1 | maybe 2026 will be year of the linux desktop | 00:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | If you choose to hold kernels back, remove core OS features, you're going to have a bad time. Instead of hacking away at things... if there is a problem, start in a support channel, get help determinning if you need to file a bug report, or supply your logs to an existing one. | 00:34 |
| makara1 | im sorry - my machine wouldn't start after a kernel update. Literally the only option | 00:35 |
| makara1 | i'm fed up with dicky bluetooth connection - for years now - on 3 different machines. If its such a core os feature then why its half working | 00:38 |
| Eickmeyer | If you wish to file a complaint, type "/part" (minus the quotes) | 00:39 |
| makara1 | nevermind. Im not complaining about the state of things | 00:39 |
| makara1 | but pushing updates that breaks my work machine is a nono | 00:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | makara1: the only time I have personally experienced an update breaking my system is because I changed something I shouldn't have. Updates are tested before they get shipped. It's not impossible an edge case or two happens (that's why it's important to get on getting help with filing a bug report right away.) | 00:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | makara1: bluetooth is a proprietary technology. you are working in an opensource os. drivers have to be reverse engineered for different chipsets to get them working. WiFi has been around a lot longer and there are just as many issues with compatibility | 00:49 |
| enigma9o7 | i think thats why they havent pushed 6.11 to LTS-hwe yet, afraid of breaking things. | 00:53 |
| enigma9o7 | enough issues just with the supposed security fix updates | 00:53 |
| enigma9o7 | that arent supposed to break or change anything, only secure or fix stuff | 00:53 |
| enigma9o7 | but somehow, bad luck lately indeed. | 00:54 |
| root | hfg | 01:07 |
| root | gf | 01:07 |
| root | r | 01:07 |
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| root | hello\ | 02:20 |
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| Guest1173 | ok | 02:20 |
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| Elisa | Ciao | 02:32 |
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| Guest79 | hi | 08:08 |
| Guest79 | i love eat my poop | 08:08 |
| mgedmin | virt-manager not showing memory graphs is a great sadness | 08:49 |
| mgedmin | am I missing some kind of agent process inside the VM? | 08:49 |
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| mousey_ | heya, is there way to check if a particular driver is in the ubuntu kernel without installing it just yet? | 12:08 |
| mousey_ | i know the commit in torvalds/linux.git but i'm not a git pro so i don't know how to check which releases that one made it into | 12:08 |
| younder | Not sure what you men mousey_. Either it is a loadable kernel module or it is built into the kernel. This is determined when the kernel is built. | 12:27 |
| younder | Perhaps it is 'modprobe' you want. It scans kernel modules and optionally installs them. | 12:28 |
| mousey_ | thankie, i figured it out by installing a vm and seeing if modinfo knew the driver :) | 12:33 |
| mousey_ | the context was: built a new computer (yippee) and i want to use a distro that has a supported kernel with the new-ish drivers in. | 12:35 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:17 |
| FKAShinobi | I am having trouble with not being able to access my desktop via gnome desktop sharing after reboot. I have tried the solution mentioned below without success: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1296932/screen-sharing-in-unusable-state-after-rebooting | 14:03 |
| FKAShinobi | This is on 22.04 | 14:04 |
| FKAShinobi | Based on the below article, is there a way to have the gnome-remote-desktop start after the keyring gets unlocked? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1497313/ubuntu-22-04-resets-remote-desktop-after-reboot-how-to-keep-it-enabled-permane | 14:08 |
| leftyfb | the keying doesn't get unlocked when you have auto-login enabled because you never authenticated | 14:09 |
| leftyfb | keyring* | 14:09 |
| oerheks | +1 | 14:09 |
| FKAShinobi | That makes sense. I moved the grd keys to an unlocked keyring (no password) and set the default keyring back to login keyring. Any ideas why that didn't work? | 14:11 |
| leftyfb | when did you authenticate to unlock the keyring? | 14:11 |
| FKAShinobi | So if you look at the first article, there are 2 keyrings - the login which is locked and another that I created with no password and remains unlocked. At least that's my understanding. | 14:12 |
| FKAShinobi | The login gets unlocked when I go to the console and unlock the desktop | 14:13 |
| quark | To use an emoji, I open "Characters", look for the emoji, copy it, and paste it where I want to use it. Is there a quicker way to do that, that will work everywhere (or almost everywhere)? Using Ubuntu 24.04, and the Gnome that comes with it. | 15:30 |
| oerheks | 5 | 15:32 |
| oerheks | there were some solutions, not sure they still work https://askubuntu.com/questions/1045915/how-to-insert-an-emoji-into-a-text-in-ubuntu-18-04-and-later | 15:34 |
| quark | oerheks, nice! Activities would work, a much faster workflow. | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | some gtk apps support ctrl-. as a shortcut for entering emoji | 16:51 |
| quark | mgedmin, I read that on the link oerheks shared. Sadly, it doesn't work on Chrome. | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | for years I've been using ctrl+shift+u 2665 enter to input ♥ | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | but it's a pain to remember the unicode hex codes of various emoji | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | plus you probably need a variation selector to make them emoji-like and not text-like, for some of them | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | but on the plus side I don't think I've seen any linux app that didn't support ctrl+shift+u | 17:02 |
| pcd | Does anyone happen to know how to install the debug symbols for the kernel in 24.04? The ddebs package repos seem to be gone, presumably because of the debuginfod changes, but as far as I can tell debuginfod doesn't help you get kernel symbols because vmlinux isn't a valid ELF file | 17:40 |
| tomreyn | you could also ask in #ubuntu-kernel and bring along patience | 17:41 |
| lotuspsychje | a user recently reported ddebs repo go flaky | 17:43 |
| lotuspsychje | related? | 17:43 |
| oerheks | this updated doc does not work?https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/reference/debugging/debug-symbol-packages/ | 17:47 |
| oerheks | old=https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/debug-symbol-packages | 17:47 |
| lotuspsychje | i had a 503 sometimes on http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ oerheks | 17:50 |
| lotuspsychje | reported that in #ubuntu-mirrors | 17:50 |
| pcd | oerheks: yeah those instructions don't work on Noble | 17:56 |
| oerheks | oke | 17:58 |
| pcd | at least, I can't seem to get the dbgsyms for the kernel that ships with 24.04, maybe it works for other stuff? | 17:58 |
| pcd | Hm, that might be it actually, other -dbgsym packages show up now, it's just that there doesn't seem to be one for the 6.8.0-52-generic kernel | 18:00 |
| pcd | I can ask in the kernel channel | 18:00 |
| tomreyn | right, ddebs only has 6.8.0-51 packages | 18:02 |
| pcd | Hm, I was going to guess it was because -52 was only in noble-security, but it looks like it's also in noble-updates, so idk why the ddebs repo doesn't have the dbgsym package in noble-updates | 18:08 |
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| nisse | Im running Ubuntu 18.04.2, I know its an old version but I dont want downtime and/or upgrade and I dont care about this VPS. I have a guy who has a shell that he cant access, gets access denied but I can get into it, with his password. I dont have iptables (fw) or fail2ban or similar, what could be wrong? Ive created a new account for him to test and see if he can get into it, but what could | 20:21 |
| nisse | be the problem? | 20:21 |
| leftyfb | nisse: 18.04 is no longer supported. You'll need to upgrade | 20:21 |
| nisse | Alright | 20:22 |
| oerheks | so long ago, current is 18.04.6 if you had ESM | 20:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | I'm guessing that being under ESM was decided to be beyond the scope of the channel? | 20:30 |
| pragmaticenigma | (would hope that by the time something is at ESM, changes of things needing support are slim to none.) | 20:30 |
| leftyfb | ESM is only supported commercially by Canobical | 20:31 |
| leftyfb | Canonical* | 20:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | s/changes/chances/ | 20:32 |
| leftyfb | except when they don't work with newer software | 20:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | would be a reason enough for me to move up to the next release | 20:35 |
| oerheks | maybe ssh checks version.. | 20:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | no | 20:39 |
| JanC | nisse: generally speaking, do you use keys or passwords for login for that user? | 20:41 |
| JanC | also, to debug ssh problems, always check the logs | 20:42 |
| pragmaticenigma | JanC: it was already established their version of Ubuntu prevents them from being supported by the channel | 20:42 |
| JanC | this was general help with ssh, it applies to all versions really... | 20:43 |
| mantise | !ssh | 20:47 |
| ubottu | SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for its homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon) | 20:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | JanC: If you want to support them directly, feel free to do so. Helping them here creates the impression to others that "well that other person got help with their system, why won't you support mine?" At some point, a cut off needs to be established and respected. | 20:51 |
| JanC | it's not like there is a queue of other people waiting for help right now... | 21:00 |
| pragmaticenigma | that's not a valid point to the discussion, and you know it | 21:00 |
| JanC | maybe you should practice the first part of your nickname sometimes... :) | 21:02 |
| oerheks1 | oer? | 21:02 |
| JanC | not you :P | 21:03 |
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| TR1950X | is it possible to run two instances of proxmox on ubuntu with both nested virtualization enabled inside each proxmox? | 21:22 |
| leftyfb | TR1950X: why would you need 2? | 21:25 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | hi | 21:27 |
| keeden | hi | 21:28 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | hello | 21:28 |
| arraybolt3 | TR1950X: Possible, *probably*, but advisable? Very unlikely. Nested virtualization comes with a hefty performance hit all by itself, nesting twice over is probably going to be borderline unusable. | 21:28 |
| keeden | nigger | 21:28 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | yo | 21:28 |
| arraybolt3 | !ops | 21:28 |
| ubottu | Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant | 21:28 |
| oerheks | keeden, please leave | 21:28 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | no | 21:29 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | he my fwend | 21:29 |
| keeden | i thought u guys are bots | 21:29 |
| keeden | mb | 21:29 |
| TR1950X | leftyfb: for testing and learning | 21:30 |
| leftyfb | TR1950X: testing and learning what exactly? Just run 1. You can create all sorts of different containers and VM's with it | 21:30 |
| oerheks | why not using 1 proxmox instance and run 2 vms in that? you would run into issues that are not logical | 21:31 |
| TR1950X | proxmox cluster and HA testing | 21:31 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | can you vc on here | 21:31 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | and how | 21:31 |
| el | no | 21:31 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | dangit | 21:31 |
| leftyfb | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee: this is an ubuntu support channel. Please take all other discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic or #libera | 21:31 |
| yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | idk how | 21:32 |
| oerheks | HA high availability testing on the same machine? | 21:32 |
| TR1950X | that is why you need two proxmox instances to form a cluster of two | 21:32 |
| arraybolt3 | I think for HA you have to have three nodes. | 21:33 |
| arraybolt3 | and I also think you'll have far less pain just using three physical systems for that. Mini PCs are cheap. | 21:33 |
| el | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee: either click the linkified channel name in the message, or do in chat: /join #ubuntu-offtopic | 21:33 |
| leftyfb | TR1950X: you're also going to need distributed storage like ceph and ideally 10G connection between everything | 21:33 |
| TR1950X | if nested proxmox works, then it is free | 21:33 |
| TR1950X | leftyfb: I like run a virtual SAN on the host | 21:33 |
| arraybolt3 | TR1950X: if you think it'll work, the only way to do be sure is to try it :) | 21:34 |
| arraybolt3 | You should be able to use virt-manager to make VMs that support nested virt. | 21:34 |
| arraybolt3 | then the two Proxmox instances can each run however many VMs. Expect performance to be quite poor though. | 21:35 |
| TR1950X | performance is no issue. This is for testing and learning only | 21:36 |
| TR1950X | virtual san on the host machine and two proxmox using the vSAN for storage | 21:36 |
| TR1950X | let me ask DeepSeek | 21:39 |
| enigma9o7 | Permission denied. | 21:40 |
| oerheks | bots asking deepseek? | 21:41 |
| TR1950X | according to deepseek it should work :-) | 21:42 |
| leftyfb | TR1950X: good luck | 21:43 |
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| oerheks | yes | 23:11 |
| josea | HI | 23:14 |
| darkdrgn2k | when using a uki image to boot EFI without grub, is it enough to have the vfat partition with the correct files in it or is there somethign else (like an MBR or set a boot partition or something) | 23:15 |
| oerheks | uki image, ubuntu? | 23:17 |
| darkdrgn2k | yes | 23:17 |
| darkdrgn2k | unified kernel | 23:17 |
| oerheks | where did you get this? | 23:17 |
| darkdrgn2k | where did i get what? | 23:17 |
| oerheks | ... | 23:17 |
| oerheks | it is not standard for ubuntu, you need ukify for this | 23:18 |
| darkdrgn2k | ok dont woryr about UKI itself :D that was another battle. | 23:18 |
| darkdrgn2k | i cant get the EFI part to boot:/ | 23:19 |
| darkdrgn2k | so is there any thing like mbr or active boot partitions that need to be set or just have a vfat partition with the correct files | 23:28 |
| oerheks | mbr? you use an efi partition for that.. | 23:30 |
| oerheks | there are not that many pages handling UKI boot | 23:30 |
| oerheks | certainly not for ubuntu | 23:30 |
| darkdrgn2k | ok dont dwell on UKI... its used for secure boot so people like AZURE will use it.. | 23:33 |
| darkdrgn2k | Its at the end of the EFI chain, so its not important for this problem | 23:33 |
| darkdrgn2k | what is an "EFI" partition, a type? | 23:34 |
| oerheks | vfat yes | 23:35 |
| oerheks | usually 250 mb or so | 23:35 |
| darkdrgn2k | yes but is it just a regulard vfat parition | 23:36 |
| darkdrgn2k | or is the partition marked somehow | 23:36 |
| oerheks | at the beginning of the disk | 23:36 |
| oerheks | UKI boot\ could fail with EFI bios version, aAFAIK | 23:37 |
| tomreyn | darkdrgn2k: the partition should have an efi system partition gpt uuid or an mbr efi / esp flag | 23:42 |
| tomreyn | other than that, the file system is just plain vfat | 23:42 |
| darkdrgn2k | yeh i just saw that... maybe thast what im misisng | 23:42 |
| tomreyn | there are cloud images for azure at http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com - so you could see how those are set up. | 23:43 |
| oerheks | i gave you https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/plucky/man1/ukify.1.html last time you asked | 23:43 |
| darkdrgn2k | oerheks, how many times will i say it, its not a UKI problem | 23:47 |
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