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| balrog-kun | hi! after an upgrade to 24.10 I find vinagre is no longer installed and not in the repos, was it renamed or removed? is there a ppa that has it? | 00:30 |
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| pragmaticenigma | balrog-kun: vinagre is a application that requires Xserver/x.org session. because its not compatible with the default wayland desktop implementation, it's not included. Recommendation is to use the RDP protocol server and clients | 00:32 |
| balrog-kun | pragmaticenigma: oh ok, good to know the reasoning... I wonder what makes it incompatible with wayland as other gnome apps don't care | 00:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | VNC is very outdated and very slow. It relies on components that are not implemented in a wayland environment. | 00:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | there are newer programs out there working on getting a VNC server available for wayland environments, but they are still early stages | 00:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | balrog-kun: this is one of the better explinations I've seen on differences between wayland environments and x11: https://www.linuxmo.com/wayland-vs-x11-the-battle-of-display-protocols/ | 00:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | may help to explain why VNC, which tapped into the Xserver as an additional client, doesn't work with the newer wayland stack | 00:40 |
| balrog-kun | pragmaticenigma: thanks, gonna have a look, I guess I assumed most apps would be shielded from the differences by whatever libraries or compat layers are below but the server side might be trickier I guess, still it looks like they took the decision to not maintain the clients for vnc (of which there were at least 4 different implementations in the repos previously) because they can't have the server | 00:43 |
| balrog-kun | on all of the DEs supported | 00:43 |
| balrog-kun | and that cascaded to vinagre which iirc supported rdesktop and spice and maybe some other protocols too | 00:45 |
| balrog-kun | VNC for sure is outdated but so is telnet ;) | 00:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | had to double check... vinagre is solely VNC | 00:46 |
| balrog-kun | rdp was there for sure because I was using it and there's a dependcy on libfreerdp2-2t64 | 00:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | VNC has its place. especially where the only option is to do a full screen capture (as that's how it works) and sends a series of images to the client. RDP actually can work with the compositor and sends window drawing commands the client instead of full screen captures | 00:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | vinagre's project page notes it is a VNC service | 00:48 |
| balrog-kun | I remember when VNC was the new fancy protocol that did some optimisation and I was reluctant to switch (from plain X.org over network? don't remember) but it was indeed faster when I did, but I can't tell you what are the optimisations | 00:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | VNC effectively generates a JPG image from the framebuffer of the graphics stack. Sends them in a series to the client, while relaying back pointer positions and keyboard inputs | 00:51 |
| oerheks | vnc does not like background, animations | 00:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | x has a network protocol for remote controlling a graphical application remotely. what I'm familiar with is X-forwarding over SSH. | 00:53 |
| balrog-kun | yeah in theory X could be less terrible, I guess one of the problems with the protocol is that it's going to wait for a response from the Xserver for every single command and the commands can be as detailed as drawing a single character.. | 00:55 |
| balrog-kun | BTW just got vinagre running from the noble package, lets me select between ssh, VNC, RDP and spice when adding a new connection, ssh is probably text only so doesn't count | 00:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | reminnia is what I use... provides VNC, RDP, SSH as options for remote connecting | 01:00 |
| enigma9o7 | isn't vinagre a client, not a server? so remmina would be a replacement.... but wouldn't explain why it was removed from oracular | 01:10 |
| oerheks | it is not, just not available/installable under wayland | 01:13 |
| oerheks | !info vinagre | 01:14 |
| ubottu | vinagre (3.22.0-8ubuntu5, noble): remote desktop client for the GNOME Desktop. In component universe, is optional. Built by vinagre. Size 1,321 kB / 4,176 kB | 01:14 |
| oerheks | !info remmina | 01:14 |
| ubottu | remmina (1.4.35+dfsg-0ubuntu5, noble): GTK+ Remote Desktop Client. In component main, is optional. Built by remmina. Size 232 kB / 990 kB | 01:14 |
| oerheks | just use the build in RDP | 01:14 |
| tomreyn | vinagre is the client, vino the server. | 01:15 |
| tomreyn | freerdp is a client that remmina and other linux rdp GUIs use | 01:15 |
| tomreyn | (or maybe remmina uses the lib, not sure) | 01:16 |
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| omega_doom | How can i connect guest sound to host in kvm? In guest i have win 10. I installed AC 97 driver in win 10 and audio device is present there. Now i don't know how to pass it into host. | 03:35 |
| enigma9o7 | probaly not the info you're looking for, but you could try virt-manager, its a gui that sets all that up for you.... | 03:41 |
| enigma9o7 | its the reason I have no idea how to setup guest sound in kvm, cuz I've never had to do it myself even tho I use it all the time | 03:41 |
| omega_doom | The problem is idk how guest to host audio should work. In vbox it works out of box. What way does it work in kvm? Via tcp or unix socket? I have now idea where to look. | 03:54 |
| omega_doom | finally i have sound in win10 kvm. This instruction works well - https://mathiashueber.com/virtual-machine-audio-setup-get-pulse-audio-working/ I applied option 2 - pulse audio. It works very well! No delays at all. | 04:33 |
| aalekh | clear | 05:04 |
| Shashank | i am using ubuntu 24 lts and my device is locate fingerprint but i am unable to enroll it | 05:42 |
| Shashank | please help me | 05:42 |
| Shashank | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 27c6:538d Shenzhen Goodix Technology Co.,Ltd. FingerPrint | 05:42 |
| oerheks | Shashank, sorry, 27c6:538d is not in the list of supported devices https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html | 05:48 |
| Shashank | so when we have suppose this to work or any chance to use it | 05:49 |
| oerheks | Dell machine, right? | 05:50 |
| Shashank | yes | 05:50 |
| oerheks | you only find no fix posts | 05:50 |
| Shashank | yes | 05:50 |
| oerheks | there is this weird post about dell 9300, with dell repos but fails too.. https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/linux-general/xps-13-9300-does-fingerprint-reader-work-on-linux/647f86e5f4ccf8a8de60605e?commentId=647f8989f4ccf8a8de9314cd#M63982 | 05:53 |
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| oerheks | i have no idea if there is an user with a github | 05:53 |
| Shashank | yaa you right i have may finds but there is no any repo for working on this | 05:54 |
| oerheks | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/wiki/-/wikis/Unsupported-Devices says 27c6:538d is not supported | 05:54 |
| oerheks | sorry | 05:55 |
| oerheks | contact Dell? | 05:55 |
| Shashank | no i did not contacted them | 05:58 |
| Shashank | i thought there is some fix but i can"t find | 05:58 |
| Shashank | also same haveing issue with my touchpad | 05:59 |
| Shashank | it doesnot work in ubuntu | 05:59 |
| oerheks | https://github.com/goodix-fp-linux-dev/goodix-fp-dump ..it gives 538d ... but 3y old | 06:02 |
| oerheks | Shashank, ^^ | 06:02 |
| somendra | Need project management associate | 06:03 |
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| Shashank | i have not try this let try hop it will works | 06:04 |
| oerheks | let us know, it is all i could find | 06:05 |
| Shashank | i have try but it will not work | 06:08 |
| makara2 | anyone remember how to extend the network manager 10s timeout for l2tp/ipsec vpn connection negotiation? | 06:59 |
| makara2 | i know this is the problem and I know there's a way to extend the timeout, I just cant find it since reinstalling | 07:11 |
| makara2 | if you know the answer pls post - ill check https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2025/02/04/%23ubuntu.txt | 07:12 |
| knightwise | afternoong | 09:23 |
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| marcopolo1_ | I enabled the file sharing feature on my pc but it says connection refused when i try to access it on my browser on my phone | 09:58 |
| marcopolo1_ | Also the android files app doesnt detect it | 09:58 |
| omega_doom | Is it possible to set only username in proxy so password will be asked during connection? | 10:00 |
| omega_doom | I have trouble to connect to a proxy and i am not sure if i set password correctly, It has special characters and it just doesn't work. | 10:01 |
| amachado-pie | Check Firewall Settings: Ensure that your firewall is not blocking the connection. You can temporarily disable the firewall to test if it is the cause | 10:01 |
| marcopolo1_ | amachado-pie: not working | 10:09 |
| Helloworldprogra | ubuntu. | 10:21 |
| Helloworldprogra | on a usb drive | 10:21 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:37 |
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| M-M_Exp_in_Low_O | is it looking like there is there going to be a .6 (22.04.6) for jammy at some point? | 13:26 |
| M-M_Exp_in_Low_O | and if so when would that probably approximately be? | 13:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | M-M_Exp_in_Low_O: As I told you yesterday. This channel is run by volunteers, not by Canonical (parent company that offers Ubuntu.) The schedules and releases of packages, specifically to the core of Ubuntu are not public until Canonical releases them. You know as much as the rest of us. | 13:33 |
| mgedmin | hmm https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906 only goes up to 22.04.5 | 13:33 |
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| mgedmin | but generally lts point releases happen every 6 months, iirc, slightly staggered from non-lts releases by a couple of months | 13:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | There isn't a schedule, just a behavior | 13:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | M-M_Exp_in_Low_O: is there a specific issue we can help you with today? | 13:35 |
| M-M_Exp_in_Low_O | sorry prag | 13:36 |
| M-M_Exp_in_Low_O | nothing at the moment i guess | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | point releases are only important for new installs anyway | 13:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | M-M_Exp_in_Low_O: If you don't have support needs, please use the #ubuntu-offtopic for other discussions in the future | 13:37 |
| Guest4 | I've installed zoom from both that rpm, that flatpak , that snapd..... and i'm working in my friend laptop(mac) using remote control from my fedora. all working until i type something it accepts typing upto a-o but for pqrstuvwxyz it doesnt type, even that z would hide all active windows instead of typing into editor but when i press shift + all | 13:49 |
| Guest4 | keys it hits from A-Z | 13:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest4: Cross posting is not allowed and this channel is for Ubuntu only | 13:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest4: Also, Zoom is a 3rd party application, maintained and supported by Zoom themselves. You will have to contact their support team for assistance | 13:50 |
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| slobodan | Hi there | 13:59 |
| slobodan | I want to install mate-media-dgbsym | 13:59 |
| slobodan | but I have following error | 14:00 |
| slobodan | mate-media-dbgsym : Depends: mate-media (= 1.26.2-1build4) but 1.26.2+mint2+wilma is to be installed | 14:00 |
| pragmaticenigma | slobodan: Linux Mint is not suppotred here | 14:00 |
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| realivanjx | i installed brave browser via snap. i forced it to use wayland from its flags properties. however i cant launch it anymore with this error message: | 15:11 |
| realivanjx | ERROR:wayland_connection.cc(214)] Failed to connect to Wayland display: No such file or directory | 15:11 |
| realivanjx | i have chrome installed from apt with same flags set and it can launch fine | 15:11 |
| realivanjx | mailspring (installed via snap) also has the same problem but works fine if i force launch it as x11 | 15:13 |
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| roan | oi | 19:51 |
| JanC | anyone know if there is a known dependency problem with upgrading grub in 24.04 ? | 20:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | why are you upgrading grub? | 20:22 |
| JanC | pragmaticenigma: I am not, update-manager wants to apparently (not my system, I only got minimal info over the phone) | 21:04 |
| nshirelaptop | so I'm trying to use my laptop as a wifi repeater, I know windows lets me do this but I can't seem to find any option for it in the UI, what am I missing? | 21:13 |
| pragmaticenigma | nshirelaptop: it's not going to be in the UI... but what you are looking for is called IP Forwarding | 21:14 |
| nshirelaptop | ah will look into there | 21:15 |
| nshirelaptop | I also read the adapter needs to support AP and STA mode simultaneously, but I can't seem to understand the output of `iw list` as there is some weird formatting in there | 21:15 |
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| nshirelaptop | https://nshire.com/files/iwlist.txt | 21:18 |
| amazoniantoad | Hey guys. I have ubuntu installed and (excuse my ignorance on this subject) if I'm wondering if there is a way to convert my system to being immutable somehow? | 21:19 |
| leftyfb | amazoniantoad: sort of | 21:19 |
| leftyfb | amazoniantoad: look into overlayfs | 21:19 |
| amazoniantoad | thanks | 21:19 |
| leftyfb | but also, this is what Ubuntu core is for | 21:20 |
| amazoniantoad | That's what I'm aiming for. Ubuntu core. Is this automatically deployed now? Or do I need to do something? | 21:20 |
| nshirelaptop | are you looking to convert your current install to be immutable? | 21:20 |
| amazoniantoad | yes | 21:20 |
| nshirelaptop | I would think you'd need a fresh install. | 21:20 |
| amazoniantoad | So did I. I was just curious | 21:20 |
| amazoniantoad | Does the new version of ubuntu do this automatically? | 21:21 |
| nshirelaptop | no | 21:21 |
| amazoniantoad | Okay. So how do I do that with a new install? | 21:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | amazoniantoad: https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-core-an-immutable-linux-desktop | 21:22 |
| nshirelaptop | you'd need at minimum a second partition for system files to be on, ideally 2 partitions for A/B updating in case something breaks. then another partition for user files and programs. unless you want the user area to be totally ephemeral between reboots | 21:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | amazoniantoad: it's going to be an uphill battle, and I would look for a distro that already has immutable offerings instead of trying to roll your own. Update tools for Ubuntu are not going to understand the immutable part | 21:23 |
| amazoniantoad | But I love Ubuntu :< You guys have taught me so much. I've used it for over 10 years now... | 21:23 |
| amazoniantoad | I don't wanna switch | 21:23 |
| * amazoniantoad cries | 21:23 | |
| pragmaticenigma | I'm sure something is in the works, but immutable desktops are pretty bleeding edge at the moment | 21:24 |
| amazoniantoad | Oh. | 21:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | amazoniantoad: I'd read that article I posted though. You may decide for yourself it's a path you'd like to follow | 21:26 |
| amazoniantoad | thanks | 21:26 |
| nshirelaptop | look at how Android does it | 21:31 |
| nshirelaptop | it's the most popular immutable linux distro after all | 21:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | Fedora Silverblue would be a more appropriate comparison | 21:32 |
| leftyfb | again, this is what Ubuntu core is for | 21:33 |
| oerheks | build an immutable desktop on ubuntu-core, and share your experience? | 21:37 |
| enigma9o7 | i believe the original question was to make an existing install immutable. i would expect there's some way to set everything read only, or change permissions in a way that nothing could "mute" it | 21:39 |
| amazoniantoad | After reading the article ubuntu core looks way more stable than a traditional immutable os concept | 21:39 |
| amazoniantoad | Would it be practical to just install ubuntu core on my desktop, and then go and customize the features I'm allowed to? | 21:40 |
| amazoniantoad | I think it might be but I would prefer to know from you guys, lol. | 21:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | amazoniantoad: what exactly is your goal in this endevor? | 21:42 |
| amazoniantoad | Mainly I'm just fidgetting around. I'm also trying to learn some more about the newer features of stuff like immutable os'. I remember being introduced to the concept with smart devices but never pursued understanding the technology. Now I want to. | 21:43 |
| pragmaticenigma | fair enough, I think that article is going to be a good starting point. I'd encourage you to check out Fedora Silverblue at least for an already made experience. | 21:45 |
| amazoniantoad | It looks like installing ubuntu core might be pretty straight forward, actually | 21:45 |
| amazoniantoad | thanks | 21:45 |
| amazoniantoad | I'll look into that now | 21:45 |
| amazoniantoad | pragmaticenigma: What do you think of ubuntu core + Xen + dockerized environment (inside of each dom of xen) | 21:49 |
| amazoniantoad | Looks like a lot of overhead | 21:49 |
| amazoniantoad | I have about 64GB of RAM though... | 21:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | seems like a lot of work to maintain :P | 21:50 |
| amazoniantoad | lol yeah. Seems like a fun project though. | 21:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | if you got the time to tinker with out, all the power to you... I'm more an off-the-shelf type person | 21:52 |
| amazoniantoad | Ah | 21:54 |
| nshirelaptop | is there an easy way of reading the manpage from a package without actually installing it and its dependencies | 22:24 |
| nshirelaptop | trying to look up the manual for bluez-obexd | 22:25 |
| bprompt | nshirelaptop: some packages have their own website and manual, however, you can also check the .deb file, assuming you're installing a .deb file, it contains the files that will be installed, and that will include its documentation files, and you can simply extract that, some have an html version for it as well as a manpage format | 22:29 |
| bprompt | nshirelaptop: and you can just do something like "sudo apt download bluez-obexd", to get the .deb alone without installing it | 22:31 |
| bprompt | it'll download to the current folder the command was issued from | 22:31 |
| nshirelaptop | hm that just downloads the deb to the current dir? | 22:31 |
| bprompt | yeap | 22:31 |
| nshirelaptop | ah interesting, I wonder if it even needs sudo if its just dling. I'll try | 22:32 |
| bprompt | the .deb is an archive, like a zip, and you can browse it and get files from it | 22:32 |
| bprompt | nshirelaptop: it does, because the "apt" command requires it for that operation | 22:32 |
| nshirelaptop | ran fine without | 22:32 |
| bprompt | nshirelaptop: well, "sudo" gets "cached", so if you issued it right before, the system assumes is the same guy from before and doesn't prompt for the password | 22:34 |
| nshirelaptop | ill try from a fresh terminal | 22:34 |
| bprompt | one can say, "sudo" has an "expiration counter", within that time, it doesn't ask for the password | 22:35 |
| nshirelaptop | I can successfully run `apt download`, but of course `apt install [anything]` gives permission denied. | 22:36 |
| nshirelaptop | maybe you're used to another system's config that fully locks it down | 22:37 |
| bprompt | nshirelaptop: hmmm it does? hmmm I always "sudo" it though, I don't sudo others like apt-cache | 22:37 |
| nshirelaptop | maybe you were running download on a protected directory? I just ran it in my user downloads folder | 22:38 |
| bprompt | nshirelaptop: maybe :), but the .deb is just like a zip, an archiver can open it and browse it, from there you can get the docs off of it | 22:39 |
| bprompt | nshirelaptop: it has two directories in it, "control" and "data", control is where the installation instructions are, and data is, well, what you're looking for :) | 22:40 |
| enigma9o7 | brompt: apt download certainly doesn't require sudo! | 22:40 |
| enigma9o7 | if its not writing outside of your home dir, you should not need sudo. just like apt policy or apt search or apt list or any other apt commands. | 22:41 |
| bprompt | enigma9o7: news to me, I always use it though, maybe I'm getting UbuntuCoins for doing so =) | 22:41 |
| enigma9o7 | only time you should need sudo would be for stuff like update, upgrade, install, remove, etc | 22:41 |
| enigma9o7 | if you apt download with sudo, wouldn't that make the owner root? you wouldn't want that anyway. | 22:41 |
| bprompt | enigma9o7: right | 22:42 |
| bprompt | well, unless you copy it as a logged in user, in which case the copy changes ownership | 22:42 |
| enigma9o7 | what gets cached is your sudo password, but that just makes sudo not prompt you twice in short period, you still need to use sudo to do stuff as root. | 22:42 |
| enigma9o7 | even if you disable password for sudo (like I have) doesn't mean user gets any additional privileges, sudo is still sudo. | 22:43 |
| bprompt | sudo or not sudo, that's the dilemma ---- not shakespeare | 22:43 |
| pragmaticenigma | bprompt: apt should only need sudo if it needs to attempt to access the lock file. You can issues a few commands with out sudo, including being able to see what's upgradeable, search, and other read type operations | 22:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | the lock file is only needed for operations were writing to the disk is needed, to ensure another process does not interfere | 22:49 |
| bprompt | hmmm good to know | 22:49 |
| enigma9o7 | it shouldn't be a delimma tho. don't use sudo unless you need to write outside your home dir. simple as that. | 22:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | because there are occassions where you need sudo even for things in the home directory. Not all programs play nice | 22:57 |
| enigma9o7 | programs don't run as root either | 23:04 |
| enigma9o7 | unless you ran it with sudo (or pkexec, etc), program can't do stuff as root either, that'd default purpose of seperate users, etc. | 23:05 |
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