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| sarnold | good morning | 15:30 |
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| cpaelzer | #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status | 15:30 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 15:30:39 UTC. The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 15:30 |
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| cpaelzer | Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( dviererbe ) | 15:30 |
| jbicha | o/ | 15:30 |
| cpaelzer | #topic current component mismatches | 15:30 |
| slyon | o/ | 15:30 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams | 15:30 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg | 15:30 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 15:30 |
| joalif | o/ | 15:30 |
| cpaelzer | given the number of MIR cases in my inbox I assume a lot today ... | 15:31 |
| slyon | flexparser (from python-pint) are ready for promotion as of today (needs AA) | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | thanks slyon, let me open and enqueue them | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | flexcache as well? | 15:32 |
| slyon | that would be https://launchpad.net/bugs/2089037 and https://launchpad.net/bugs/2089036 | 15:32 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2089037 in flexparser (Ubuntu) "[MIR] flexparser" [Undecided, Fix Committed] | 15:32 | |
| slyon | yes | 15:32 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2089036 in flexcache (Ubuntu) "[MIR] flexcache" [Undecided, Fix Committed] | 15:32 | |
| slyon | flexcache has been ready for a while IIRC | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | I see, and it was me saying so :-) | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | the rest is known/old and being worked on | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | except | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | xdg-desktop-portal -> fonts-inter | 15:33 |
| jbicha | how do you want that handled? it's only a dev package with the font dependency | 15:33 |
| slyon | It's a recommends, so should probably be dropped or use an Extra-Exclude | 15:33 |
| slyon | jbicha: can you Extra-Exclude the -dev package? | 15:33 |
| jbicha | yes | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | great | 15:34 |
| slyon | thx! | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | I've asked renan to summarize me the ruby-* path as he is looking into these | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | hopefully I can tell you next week the steps there | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | #topic New MIRs | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | three to review | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rust-gst-plugin-gtk4/+bug/2097804 | 15:35 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2097804 in rust-gst-plugin-gtk4 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rust-gst-plugin-gtk4" [Undecided, New] | 15:35 | |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libva/+bug/2097800 | 15:35 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2097800 in libva (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libva" [Undecided, New] | 15:35 | |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsass/+bug/2095582 | 15:35 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2095582 in libsass (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libsass" [Undecided, New] | 15:35 | |
| cpaelzer | starting with libsass - some css magic I guess | 15:35 |
| slyon | I can take one | 15:35 |
| joalif | i'm working on python-libsass | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | right joalif | 15:35 |
| joalif | I could take libsass | 15:35 |
| jbicha | I still need to vendor the rust package in the next few days but I thought I ought to at least get it in the queue | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | oh I see, because it is the same overall topic | 15:36 |
| cpaelzer | thanks joalif | 15:36 |
| joalif | yup | 15:36 |
| cpaelzer | slyon: ugly rust or ugly video codecs - what do you prefer? | 15:36 |
| slyon | heh, whatever. Let me take rust-gst-plugin-gtk4 | 15:37 |
| slyon | (and ACK jbicha, I'll start looking into it early next week to give some headroom) | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | ok and the libva story for me | 15:37 |
| jbicha | thank you | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | I know that years ago I wanted it myself, so you have +1 karma credit for requesting it | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Incomplete bugs / questions | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | top three was updated right before the meeting | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | reading ... | 15:38 |
| jbicha | papers is NEW but 25.10 material at this point and is also rusty and needs to be vendored | 15:39 |
| slyon | raspi-utils and ubuntu-x1e-settings are only status updates. getting close but not yet ready | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | ok, so this isn't ready yet and will be NEW once it is | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | yes slyon^ | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | glad they are on the way and going well so far | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | libcamera and nbd (also by the Rpi people) should be promotable soon, just waiting for them to show up in mismatches | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Process/Documentation improvements | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | all drafts/old | 15:41 |
| cpaelzer | #topic MIR related Security Review Queue | 15:41 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable? | 15:41 |
| cpaelzer | Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place. | 15:41 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:41 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | Internal link | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594 | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | We have been waiting on a few and sarnold mentioned to have new people as in good=resourece and as in unexperienced | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | how is it going sarnold? | 15:42 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: it's going well :) I'm optimistic again :) | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | nice to hear that | 15:42 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: the feature-freeze crunch has me a little worried but we've got much of our queue assigned and folks are making progress | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | Given the reviews we assigned we should assume the usual "few more" | 15:43 |
| sarnold | *nod* | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | but making progress is all we need | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | thanks | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | Keep it up and pass our thanks to your security cohort! | 15:43 |
| sarnold | will do :) thanks | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Any other business? | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | I have one on our docs, anything else? | 15:44 |
| sarnold | none here | 15:44 |
| joalif | i have a couple of questions | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | joalif first please | 15:44 |
| joalif | does css makes to the list of 'parse data formats linke xml, json etc' ? | 15:44 |
| jbicha | . | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | the question is rarely "what data it is" like CSS in this case, but more is it controlled externally | 15:45 |
| cpaelzer | this is for python-libsass I guess right | 15:45 |
| joalif | which would then require a sec review | 15:45 |
| joalif | yes more of libsass tbh | 15:45 |
| cpaelzer | so if the usage model is controlled program calls API, libsass renders CSS - I'd say that is not external control | 15:45 |
| cpaelzer | if you'd point it to a webpage and it would read the CSS from it, that would be parsing data with external control | 15:46 |
| joalif | the python-libsass is merely a wrapper all the parser seems to be done by lisbass c++ lib | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | TODO: - does not parse data formats (files [images, video, audio, | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | TODO: xml, json, asn.1], network packets, structures, ...) from | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | TODO: an untrusted source. | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | this is the rule you go for, and the important bit is "from an untrusted source" | 15:47 |
| joalif | iiuc it can parse data provided by user so I would consider it with external control | 15:47 |
| cpaelzer | so look at the usage model and decide, my gut feeling says it might be fine | 15:47 |
| slyon | I'd probably go with sec-review for libsass c++ lib (as it can presumably consume any input), not necessarily for the python-libsass "wrapper" | 15:47 |
| joalif | I agree slyon | 15:47 |
| cpaelzer | umm | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | you made me click on the projects | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | first paragraph | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | Warning: LibSass is deprecated. While it will continue to receive maintenance releases indefinitely, there are no plans to add additional features or compatibility with any new CSS or Sass features. Projects that still use it should move onto Dart Sass. | 15:48 |
| joalif | and yes | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | who is requesting that and why, was that from openstack horizon? | 15:48 |
| sarnold | ow | 15:48 |
| joalif | that would be the second question | 15:48 |
| joalif | upstream has decided so | 15:49 |
| joalif | i assume they are aware | 15:49 |
| slyon | we migh cycle that back to jamespage ^ | 15:49 |
| cpaelzer | jamespage: ^^ I think you have to make a call on this, this is more for the owning team to make an argument - not joalif as the MIR reviewer | 15:49 |
| jamespage | sure - let me dig - this was a bit of a surprise change from the upstream project | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | thanks jamespage | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | the argument I look for is either "Oh we didn't see let us instead do ..." or "we really have to do ..., because convincing ...." | 15:50 |
| jamespage | I know that this is more recently supported than the previous modules used for the same function | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | so it is discontinued, but not as long? | 15:50 |
| jamespage | basically yes | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | please have a hug from me, but it isn't super convincing yet :-) | 15:51 |
| sarnold | > Dart Sass is the primary implementation of Sass, which means it gets new features before any other implementation. It’s fast, easy to install, and it compiles to pure JavaScript | 15:51 |
| sarnold | I'm liking libsass more and more all the time :) | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | well, I see something complex or a hard call that makes no one too happy coming | 15:52 |
| sarnold | hah, yes | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | but let us leave that to jamespage to prepare the way to go for next tme | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | time | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | joalif: both questions covered? | 15:52 |
| joalif | yup | 15:52 |
| sarnold | jbicha :) | 15:52 |
| joalif | thank you all! | 15:52 |
| jbicha | 'automake' is now built by automake-1.17 so it needs to be promoted to main with bug subscriber & automake-1.16 removed | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | slyon: that sounds foundation'ish - since they have no new representative yet would you ping them? | 15:53 |
| slyon | I can | 15:53 |
| jbicha | thank you | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | ok, my topic is for now just probing your opinions | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | I'm trying to allocate time to modernize archive admin documentation next cycle, when prepping that a bit myself and Sally felt that we might want to move MIR process into the same as it is 98% archive management related topic | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | here is the question now ... | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | would you mind if I re-host the content of https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir into a different project, likely with a more limited admin set? | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | we'd all be contributors, and AAs can merge the PRs (or similar) | 15:55 |
| sarnold | AAs feel like a very limited resource | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | This isn't fully defined, but I wanted to hear if you'd appreciate being co-located with all the other archive management or if you'd object | 15:56 |
| slyon | wfm, we've been going through the PR workflow for all the changes anyway (and have AA on the MIR team to help resolve our cases) | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: so far i'm merging the PRs, being an AA | 15:56 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: hah, so it's no actual change then? :) | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | kind of | 15:57 |
| jbicha | are you talking about switching to a readthedocs platform now too? | 15:57 |
| joalif | i dont mind moving it anywhere as long as it's easy to find :p | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | yes, it would come (if it goes the way I think of it now) in a GH/RTD approach including the full diataxis split | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | our current page would become ~4 1. explanation 2. howto file 3. how to review 4. meeting | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | A lot is unclear still, but it is time to modernize the AA wiki page a lot | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | and then we felt it would be odd if just the MIR descriptions live elsewhere | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | as slyon said, we already do issues/PRs | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | so nothing on that would change | 15:59 |
| sarnold | i'm not exactly opposed to it, but I don't love the diataxis "now you have four to a dozen pages to search to find the thing you're looking for" | 16:00 |
| cpaelzer | Can I send you to Daniele for that discussion? :-) | 16:00 |
| sarnold | please no :) | 16:00 |
| cpaelzer | I can promise to keep the MIR elements cohesive and well findable | 16:01 |
| cpaelzer | lots of experience with the server guide docs by now, there are ways like landing and index pages allowing to make it not appear to spread out while getting the benefit of the split | 16:01 |
| jbicha | that 4-page outline sounds fine with me. +1 to joalif's vote :) | 16:02 |
| sarnold | our little thing is just so much smaller than eg server docs | 16:02 |
| sarnold | I can certainly appreciate that the aa docs feels like a good place for it to live | 16:02 |
| sarnold | and if it's mostly you do the work anyway and you don't mind, sure :) but when you're no longer on the mir team, will the remaining AAs be up for it? | 16:03 |
| slyon | people would do PRs as usual, we just need AA to click the merge button, which IMO is fine, as we also need AA to click the "promote" button in our workflow | 16:04 |
| sarnold | if we'll always have an AA on the MIR team, because of course we would, then yeah that's probably fine | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | hehe | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | thank you for the pre-discussion | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | I hear some reasonable "please watch out for ..." and opinions, but no show-stoppers | 16:06 |
| cpaelzer | thank you | 16:06 |
| cpaelzer | closing the meeting now, ... | 16:06 |
| cpaelzer | anything else? | 16:06 |
| joalif | nothing from me | 16:06 |
| cpaelzer | ok, here some usual entropy for you to count down | 16:06 |
| cpaelzer | 32218 | 16:06 |
| cpaelzer | 25184 | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | 15611 | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | endmeeting | 16:07 |
| sarnold | thanks cpaelzer, all :) | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | and once more | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | #endmeeting | 16:07 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:07:17 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2025/ubuntu-meeting.2025-02-11-15.30.moin.txt | 16:07 |
| slyon | nothing, thanks cpaelzer, all! | 16:07 |
| sarnold | five-digit entropy today, very good value! | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | yeah, good old entropy isn't what it used to be :-P | 16:07 |
| joalif | thanks cpaelzer, all :) | 16:07 |
| sarnold | :D | 16:08 |
| cpaelzer | the shirt is on my shortlist :-) | 16:08 |
| sarnold | heh, I still giggle thinking of hueterhunde every now and then :) | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | Yep Hütehunde is still fine, but sadly the sleeves unravel | 16:10 |
| cpaelzer | so I'm rarely wearing it nowadays | 16:10 |
| sarnold | aww :( | 16:10 |
| cpaelzer | But I keep up the mission of bringing entertaining shirt content | 16:10 |
| didrocks | cpaelzer: agreed on the doc merge (even if that doesn’t change anything for me personnally ofc), but I prefer less repo and I think all release management / ubuntu specific things should be colocated (probably at the same place than the SRU doc actually) | 16:17 |
| cpaelzer | didrocks: sadly the SRU docs have gone to launchpad git with a lot of arcane magic to make it work | 16:56 |
| cpaelzer | I prefer modern non-arcane things | 16:57 |
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