[12:35] <penguin42> oh great, BT's troubleshooting site doesn't work...
[12:35] <penguin42> oh, it does just taking ages and ages
[12:48] <daftykins> where's the troubleshooting site for the troubleshooting site? ;)
[12:50] <penguin42> right, annual phone line failure reported
[12:51] <daftykins> it's that consistent?
[13:03] <zxmpi> maybe they're trying to copy hp and just make the web site take 15 minutes to do anything :-P
[13:03] <daftykins> hahaha
[13:03] <daftykins> i'm impressed that was rolled back so quickly
[13:04] <zxmpi> which is sad as dublinbus website was doing that back in 2000. the site frontpage was over a megabyte in size when almost all were on 56k modems :-P
[13:04] <daftykins> :S
[13:34] <penguin42> daftykins: Not that consistent - last year it was April
[13:34]  * penguin42 guesses it depends how many fish are in the manholes
[13:34] <daftykins> ah, any ideas what tends to be the solution each time? 
[13:35] <penguin42> daftykins: Normally they flip to a different wire until they find one that works
[13:36] <daftykins> hmm sounds like moisture related woes
[13:36] <penguin42> daftykins: one year they said they redid the connection in a near by manhole, but last year they said it was another one further away and had to get a Openreach guy after the first guy (from the contractor Quinne failed to get anywhere
[13:37] <daftykins> wow they use subbies? weird
[13:41] <penguin42> yeh, it was https://mjquinn.co.uk/
[13:42] <daftykins> they ended up not using those Corning CBTs on my place for the fibre by the way, i forget if i mentioned... i got these rubbishy looking grey boxes screwed onto my front wall instead
[13:42] <daftykins> they seem to be 1-in-2-out affairs
[13:42] <penguin42> yeh you said
[13:43] <penguin42> I plan to call Youfibre in a week or two to see if they can end my virginity
[13:43] <daftykins> ah :D getting so bad for repetition nowadays
[13:47] <zxmpi> using virgin media here in ireland. internet does go down a fair bit. can usually count been down a few days per year. usually a trees branches will take out wire around here.
[13:47] <daftykins> surely VM cable isn't overhead?
[13:47] <zxmpi> so i now have tesco mobile prepay backup/ E15 a month and i have a hotspot on my phone.
[13:48] <zxmpi> adsl virgin media 50mb download iirc. my landlord provides it
[13:48] <zxmpi> free so not gonna complain
[13:48] <penguin42> oh, didn't know vm did adsl, mine is docsis on underground soggy coax;  they are doing some overhead fibre as well I think
[13:49] <daftykins> oh ok, i was assuming their usual hybrid fibre coax implementation as per UK cities
[13:49] <daftykins> it'll be VDSL2 though at a speed of 50 Mb
[13:49] <zxmpi> yeah ireland isn't mad on underground cables. they dissolve in irish bogs :-)
[13:49] <penguin42> daftykins: They seem to be replacing the coax by FTTP in some cases - running RF-over-fibre
[13:50] <daftykins> funky
[13:50] <penguin42> gratuitous hack really, so I think it's pretty much digitised RF that you then turn back at the far end and hey you have RF docsis back
[13:51] <zxmpi> i've seen coax run underground here in a conduit fail after a few minutes use. worked fine on power up after it had lain in ground for a year. but after an hours use packet loss on network was >95%
[13:52] <daftykins> surely just using some kind of grease filled cable would work out o0
[13:55] <zxmpi> yeah, they tried that with the atmospheric railway. the grease helped create an air seal on the vaccuum tube. rats ate the grease soaked leather. 
[13:56] <penguin42> haha
[13:56] <daftykins> :O
[13:56] <daftykins> whoops, used the flavoured stuff ;)
[13:56] <zxmpi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalkey_Atmospheric_Railway