| cpaelzer | arranging the chairs ... | 15:26 |
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| cpaelzer | #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status | 15:27 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 15:27:08 UTC. The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 15:27 |
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| cpaelzer | Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( dviererbe ) | 15:27 |
| cpaelzer | no shock - we will start on time | 15:27 |
| jamespage | o/ | 15:27 |
| cpaelzer | but an early ping can't hurt | 15:27 |
| cpaelzer | individual extra ping - pushkarnk | 15:27 |
| pushkarnk | o/ | 15:28 |
| cpaelzer | while we are waiting for the right time and everyone to appear - you pushkarnk might draft an intro. Anything better than "I hate this but matthieu forced me to do it" will do :-) | 15:29 |
| jbicha | o/ | 15:29 |
| slyon | o/ | 15:29 |
| pushkarnk | Hah, no. I volunteered. Eager to get my hands dirty with all kinds of distro work :) I am from the Foundations team, been here since June 2023. | 15:30 |
| cpaelzer | Welcome | 15:30 |
| slyon | welcome! | 15:30 |
| pushkarnk | thank you :) | 15:30 |
| cpaelzer | and now that it is time let me help so that everyone gets the point | 15:30 |
| cpaelzer | since Server has absorbed slyon he can no more be the foundations representative | 15:31 |
| sarnold | good morning | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | he will be server's second helping me as needed | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | and for foundations now pushkarnk will tkae the representative role | 15:31 |
| sarnold | welcome pushkarnk :) | 15:31 |
| pushkarnk | sarnold: thanks :) | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | slyon: will train him and tell us when he is ready to get https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir/+members power | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | right now your first task pushkarnk is to file a PR that adds your nick to the people to ping at https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir?tab=readme-ov-file#mir-team-weekly-status-meeting | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | thereby - welcome^2 pushkarnk | 15:32 |
| pushkarnk | cpaelzer: ack | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | let us get going with the content then | 15:32 |
| joalif | o/ | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | in theory post FF nothing should happen in practice ... | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | #topic current component mismatches | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg | 15:32 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 15:32 |
| * sarnold falls over | 15:33 | |
| cpaelzer | renan and john still work on making ruby ready - we'Ve discussed it last week | 15:33 |
| jbicha | fonts-inter is still on my plate | 15:33 |
| cpaelzer | I'll handle it once really ready | 15:33 |
| cpaelzer | thanks for asnwering that before I ask jbicha | 15:33 |
| cpaelzer | where does xterm come from? | 15:33 |
| cpaelzer | desktop-minimal -> xdg-terminal-exec -> xterm | 15:34 |
| jbicha | xterm has been an annoyance for years. I'm not sure if it will actually be seeded when we promote xdg-terminal-exec | 15:34 |
| jbicha | it's an alternate dependency | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | Depends: gnome-terminal | ptyxis | x-terminal-emulator | xterm | 15:34 |
| sarnold | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/777835667/xdg-terminal-exec_0.12.1-1_0.12.1-2.diff.gz | 15:34 |
| slyon | I remember xterm as false-positive: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1980663 | 15:35 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1980663 in plzip (Ubuntu) "[MIR] false-positives, do not promote" [Undecided, Fix Released] | 15:35 | |
| slyon | (see comment #2) | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | yep, if that is the true state add it there as a task please | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | again ... | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | wow and then in proposed there is ... more | 15:36 |
| slyon | the case was a bit different. Interestingly here, gnome-terminal is listed as first alternative, still it pops up in component-mismatches? | 15:36 |
| cpaelzer | some change in sphinx tries to bring in node-*, which isn't really wanted | 15:36 |
| cpaelzer | yeah I wondered as well slyon | 15:36 |
| cpaelzer | we have some red boxes, that are mostly in security review | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | fine | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | ruby- is the same as mentioned before | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | the rest has tracker bugs filed | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | except this sphinx thing | 15:37 |
| jbicha | sphinx-doc depends on node-mathjax-full. Foundations could consider demoting sphinx-doc to universe to fix that mismatch | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sphinx/8.1.3-5 | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | yes, something like that seems right jbicha | 15:38 |
| slyon | I can probably investigate the sphinx case with pushkarnk. It probably needs an Extra-Exclude for sphinx-doc | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | something for pushkarnk to carry to the team | 15:38 |
| pushkarnk | cpaelzer: slyon: jbicha: sure | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | but I feel we excluded sphinx-doc like 7 times alreay | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | why does it come back?? | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | OK, AFAICS we will see the rest in new and incomplete queue | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | except | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | let me ask about this one | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | jbicha: lp-solve? | 15:39 |
| jbicha | lp-solve was in main for oracular, we'd like it back | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | seems to be related to libreoffic | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | interesting | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | there was a similar case which I asked seb about | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | and we said we can just keep it in, as it would come back | 15:40 |
| jbicha | yes it's related: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/commit/?id=5fd5bcba1b | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | which probably is this upload | 15:40 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Commit 5fd5bcb in ~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu "Temporarily add lp-solve to Supported HEAD plucky" | 15:40 | |
| jbicha | it was suitesparse that we noticed but lp-solve was the cause | 15:41 |
| cpaelzer | yep, that was the other case i asked seb | 15:41 |
| cpaelzer | can suitesparse go to universe now? | 15:41 |
| jbicha | no, we want to keep lp-solve & its dependency suitesparse in main since they were demoted or mismatched only because of a temporary packaging change | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | If you could leave an explanatory comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backport-util-concurrent/+bug/305790 please pointing to the commit you shared above | 15:42 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 305790 in xom (Ubuntu Jaunty) "MIR - move to main for openoffice.org 3 build-depends" [High, Fix Released] | 15:42 | |
| cpaelzer | then I can handle the promotion of it | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | re-promotion | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | this is a case of the "in theory you could ask for re-review with todays rules" | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | but you do not have to as this one at least has a bug already, even an old one | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | ok, going on ... | 15:43 |
| jbicha | I'm already doing that for tinysparql (formerly tracker) & tracker-miners (renaming to localsearch), lol | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | hehe | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | thanks, I'll pick up what you leave there for me | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | #topic New MIRs | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | ok, that is a lot | 15:44 |
| slyon | phew, quite a few | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | but many are the ruby case we knew will be coming and is quick | 15:44 |
| jamespage | the sass ones are refreshes after the initial MIR reviews | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | thanks | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | joalif: could you check if they are OK and/or if they need security now? | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsass/+bug/2095582 | 15:45 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2095582 in libsass (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libsass" [High, New] | 15:45 | |
| jamespage | and python-observabilityclient is ready for promotion I think | 15:45 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsass-python/+bug/2095581 | 15:45 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2095581 in libsass-python (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libsass-python" [High, New] | 15:45 | |
| joalif | libsass need sec review | 15:45 |
| joalif | libsass-python does not need sec review | 15:45 |
| jamespage | it does - also one of the TODO's needs discussion - built time test is not tractable however autopkgtests in libsass-python give us some reverse-depends coverage for testing | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | that is fine then jamespage | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | autopkgtest > build-test (if not superficial) | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | I've tagged and assigned th ebugs accordingly | 15:46 |
| jamespage | libsass buildtime tests to be specific | 15:46 |
| jamespage | ta | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | fixing the new xterm task | 15:47 |
| cpaelzer | done | 15:47 |
| cpaelzer | I mentioned I'll do the ruby wave once renan tells me it is all ready | 15:47 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nlohmann-json3/+bug/2093868 waits for re-review by didrocks | 15:48 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2093868 in nlohmann-json3 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nlohmann-json3" [Undecided, New] | 15:48 | |
| cpaelzer | assigning | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | jbicha: you mentioned https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tinysparql/+bug/2099086 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker-miners/+bug/2099160 right? | 15:48 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2099086 in tinysparql (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tinysparql" [Undecided, New] | 15:48 | |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2099160 in tracker-miners (Ubuntu) "[MIR] localsearch" [Undecided, New] | 15:48 | |
| sarnold | if any of these ruby things will require security tracking, the use of a single bug for them all will complicate our lp-to-jira tool | 15:48 |
| jbicha | re-reviews. Can tinysparql be promoted to main while that is processed? | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | yeah, re-reviews are not meant to be blocking | 15:49 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: as far as I know - so far all of them will not need it (so far all broken out same code as before) | 15:49 |
| sarnold | oh hah, the ruby bug is from 2016 | 15:49 |
| cpaelzer | reusing an old one | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | or that is what the tool finds | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | allow him to get pro 35 out and he'll be on it :-) | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | jbicha: since deeper re-review is optional - do you want us to do so? | 15:50 |
| jbicha | cpaelzer: are you saying it's not mandatory to do a rereview for a rename? | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | correct | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | a bit of paperwork, but not the full gauntlet | 15:51 |
| jbicha | I'll have to get back with you on that then | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | the re-review comes in by this putting it on our radar - and often things have been accepted ages ago - without much bar to pass | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | showing up in rename allows to re-review them, but we didn't want to be a party crasher delaying everyone just becuase things got renamed | 15:52 |
| jbicha | maybe I misunderstood the intent of https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir?tab=readme-ov-file#renamed-or-reorganized-sources | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | trying to clarify: we will do the review, but not block/delay you on it | 15:53 |
| jbicha | ok | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | it can be promoted as-is based on what it used to be | 15:53 |
| jbicha | yes, I expected that part | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-observabilityclient/+bug/2095359 seems ready for promotion | 15:54 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2095359 in python-observabilityclient (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-observabilityclient" [High, New] | 15:54 | |
| cpaelzer | I'll do that | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | OK, AFAICS that leaves three for review assignment today | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nghttp3/+bug/2098797 | 15:54 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2098797 in nghttp3 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nghttp3" [Undecided, New] | 15:54 | |
| cpaelzer | but | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | this has Julian saying we should not yet do so | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | pushkarnk: wold yo mind carrying that to the foundations team to give us a clear go-or-stop call? | 15:55 |
| pushkarnk | cpaelzer: sure | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | and then we have the low-prio but good to be done re-reviews | 15:55 |
| jbicha | (yeah nghttp3 doesn't have a team owner yet) | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tinysparql/+bug/2099086 | 15:55 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2099086 in tinysparql (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tinysparql" [Undecided, New] | 15:55 | |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker-miners/+bug/2099160 | 15:55 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2099160 in tracker-miners (Ubuntu) "[MIR] localsearch" [Undecided, New] | 15:55 | |
| cpaelzer | I have picked up too many AA follow ups already - anyone else ok to review one of these? | 15:56 |
| slyon | I can take one | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | I'll promote them tomorrow based on the ruling and discussion we had | 15:56 |
| joalif | I can take one as well | 15:56 |
| slyon | let me take localsearch | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | thanks slyon tiny, joalif local | 15:56 |
| joalif | ack | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | arr | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | ok, fine | 15:56 |
| slyon | that's fine, too | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | just make sure the assignments are right ._) | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Incomplete bugs / questions | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/raspi-utils/+bug/2094805 | 15:57 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2094805 in raspi-utils (Ubuntu) "[MIR] raspi-utils" [Undecided, Incomplete] | 15:57 | |
| cpaelzer | perfect case for slyon and pushkarnk to look if it is ready now | 15:58 |
| pushkarnk | ok | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rust-gst-plugin-gtk4/+bug/2097804 went back to jbicha | 15:58 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2097804 in rust-gst-plugin-gtk4 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rust-gst-plugin-gtk4" [Undecided, Incomplete] | 15:58 | |
| cpaelzer | fine for now | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | le tme skip docs today, time flies | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: your turn | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | #topic MIR related Security Review Queue | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable? | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place. | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | Internal link | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594 | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | we've just had one to enter the queue | 15:59 |
| slyon | cpaelzer: yeah, actually I think raspi-utils is ready to be promoted | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | how does leaving the queue gp these days | 15:59 |
| sarnold | fede has told me he's got papers very close to done, he's got a few outstanding questions for me. probably we'll have that finished by my eod. | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | slyon: confirm it on the bug and ensure with I guess Dave that it is in component mismatches | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | then I can promote it | 16:00 |
| cpaelzer | wow, papers already is nice | 16:00 |
| sarnold | iirc glycin was a low-ish priority, so noam has almost certainly not made much progress on that yet | 16:00 |
| cpaelzer | what about that jpeg-xl thing | 16:00 |
| cpaelzer | I thought that plus ?highway? was for a new image format to be supported by default | 16:00 |
| sarnold | sudhackar wanted to see how https://github.com/libjxl/libjxl/pull/4111 was going .. | 16:00 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 4111 in libjxl/libjxl "Fix coverity defects" [Open] | 16:00 | |
| slyon | cpaelzer: I just did so. And it's already in c-m | 16:01 |
| sarnold | which has had a frustrating lack of engagement :( | 16:01 |
| cpaelzer | perfect slyon | 16:01 |
| cpaelzer | too bad sarnold | 16:01 |
| cpaelzer | jbicha: is there any community pushing power you can use on this? | 16:02 |
| cpaelzer | or just tell us if that still is 25.04 material or delayed anyway? | 16:02 |
| jbicha | I haven't worked with jpeg-xl upstream yet :/ | 16:02 |
| jbicha | It's not *required* for 25.04, just a nice feature to have | 16:02 |
| cpaelzer | hmm, ask in the team please if anyone can help this | 16:02 |
| cpaelzer | ok thanks | 16:02 |
| sarnold | thanks jbicha, cpaelzer | 16:03 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: maybe leave a trace that you wait on this PR on the LP bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jpeg-xl/+bug/2070882 ? | 16:03 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2070882 in jpeg-xl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] jpeg-xl" [Undecided, New] | 16:03 | |
| cpaelzer | just for transparency on the delay | 16:03 |
| sarnold | I think that's about it from our side | 16:03 |
| cpaelzer | done that update | 16:04 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Any other business? | 16:04 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: good idea | 16:04 |
| cpaelzer | nothing else from me - the above was already a lot :-) | 16:04 |
| sarnold | nothing here | 16:04 |
| jbicha | could someone review xdg-terminal-exec for promotion? | 16:04 |
| cpaelzer | how have we missed that ... | 16:05 |
| slyon | jbicha: IIRC that's ready. | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | it was in mismatches | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-terminal-exec/+bug/2069308 | 16:05 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2069308 in xdg-terminal-exec (Ubuntu) "MIR xdg-terminal-exec" [Undecided, In Progress] | 16:05 | |
| slyon | it's now in mismatches | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | I see, the state | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | so that is ok to be promoted right? | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | does anyone read it differently? | 16:05 |
| sarnold | yeah I think this is ready for promotion | 16:06 |
| slyon | +1 | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | ok, I'll add it to my lsit | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | "list" even | 16:07 |
| jbicha | nothing else from me, thanks all | 16:07 |
| jbicha | oh actually | 16:07 |
| jbicha | also libimobiledevice-glue | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | that was still worked on AFAIR the color in mismatches | 16:08 |
| cpaelzer | https://launchpad.net/bugs/2074086 | 16:08 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2074086 in libimobiledevice-glue (Ubuntu) "MIR libimobiledevice-glue" [Undecided, In Progress] | 16:08 | |
| cpaelzer | ha | 16:08 |
| cpaelzer | you are right | 16:08 |
| cpaelzer | thanks jbicha | 16:08 |
| sarnold | oh bother I forgot to ask around just how we need to handle new embedded crypto stuff | 16:08 |
| slyon | it says "Ready to promote once showing up in component mismatches." | 16:08 |
| slyon | so libimobiledevice-glue seems to be ready, too | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | yep, and there it now is | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | 8 promotions for me tomorrow | 16:09 |
| sarnold | wow ;) | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | quite a start for the day, lots of "be double sure" ... | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | but it should clear the view quite a bit | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | thank you jbicha for making us aware of not relaizing these are now where they should be | 16:10 |
| cpaelzer | reminder for myself: approved but not in mismatches" appears as red seems wrong | 16:10 |
| cpaelzer | one day ... | 16:10 |
| cpaelzer | any other AOB? | 16:10 |
| cpaelzer | rolling a dice for you ... | 16:11 |
| cpaelzer | 63 | 16:11 |
| cpaelzer | 76 | 16:11 |
| cpaelzer | 67 | 16:11 |
| cpaelzer | #endmeeting | 16:11 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:11:31 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2025/ubuntu-meeting.2025-02-25-15.27.moin.txt | 16:11 |
| sarnold | thanks cpaelzer, all :) | 16:12 |
| sarnold | D76 or greater? heh | 16:12 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: D100 made of D10 and a special D10 | 16:18 |
| rbasak | o/ | 20:00 |
| amurray | hey rbasak - seb is on holidays so since it was only the two of us I postponed the meeting https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2025-February/002976.html | 20:05 |
| amurray | hjiglidcggthgkhggugrleknerrhtruc | 20:09 |
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