=== JanC is now known as Guest4755 === JanC is now known as Guest4359 === JanC is now known as Guest4075 === JanC is now known as Guest7149 === patrick is now known as Guest1287 === JanC is now known as Guest7018 === JanC is now known as Guest9630 [14:33] lo, i noticed on 22.04 ppa_ondrej_php_jammy started pulling in php 8.4 stuff, does that mean it's time to mark hold php? [14:34] in a few cases php cli was changed to 8.4, had to update-alternatives to fix, but can't find why only on some servers [14:35] for clarity: the web guys demand 8.3 for now [14:35] that isn't a ubuntu thing [14:38] hm [14:44] ppa can do whatever they want, auto updates dont update ppa sourced packages unless you reconfigure it to do so [14:44] also not sure how 8.4 would be installed from his repo, as you would have to manually install that new package [14:46] yeah, that's why i'm rather confused [14:48] maybe it was a glitch, ansible staggers the upgrades and apt-get -s upgrade shows ok for one of the servers due for tonight [14:52] not happy with having to use third party anyway [14:53] well, with webdevs tha is never going to change [14:53] you could upgrade to noble and get 8.3 native [14:53] but likely by the time you do that, they will be demanding 8.4 or 8.5 [14:53] exactly [14:54] I've moved to running web peoples stuff all in docker to resolve it [14:54] maybe it's time to stick them in containers [14:54] right :) [14:54] it's already been suggested [14:54] well, docker, aka, kubernetes really [14:55] proxmox has lxc [14:55] haven't looked into the options much, but proxmox is there already [14:56] I liked the idea of lxc, but managing it is a pain [14:56] proxmos makes that better though [14:56] so it's no crazy idea? [14:56] I ran raw lxc for years before I switched to kubenetes [14:57] likely not, i haven't created my own lxc for proxmox, not sure what is involved there [14:57] but that was my biggest issue with lxc was creating and maintaining the enviroment, not actually running and using it [14:57] docker fixes that issue, and kubernetes just really makes it full stack [15:00] someone will indeed have to create the whole lot [15:00] i can do docker build helloworld [15:01] my personal php build has been going on since last night, should finish up tonight [15:01] with those new cve's included [15:02] really need to get an arm machine to speed up these builds [15:03] distcc :) [15:04] I dont see how that helps [15:06] my issue is single threaded compiles [15:06] you cannot distribute single threads === JanC is now known as Guest9386