| jackemled | Downgrading fixed it. I don't need to try anything dangerous! Thank you for the help. | 00:04 |
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| leftyfb | downgrading what? | 00:05 |
| jackemled | Bad sectors: 14 | 00:05 |
| jackemled | I think I know what broke my operating system so bad that it couldn't boot until another computer repaired it with fsck😠| 00:05 |
| jackemled | KDE Partition Manager so I could check my SMART status. | 00:06 |
| leftyfb | what did you downgrade? | 00:06 |
| jackemled | I just said. | 00:06 |
| leftyfb | jackemled: which package did you downgrade? | 00:06 |
| jackemled | I just said KDE Partition Manager. | 00:07 |
| leftyfb | jackemled: I don't see how that would have caused any of your issues | 00:07 |
| jackemled | I thought something in its dependency tree might be corrupted & that's why it was broken, but I tried the safer option of downgrading it first, which turned out to be the issue. | 00:07 |
| jackemled | My issue was that it would crash when starting to scan my disks🗿 | 00:08 |
| jackemled | It was itself the issue. | 00:08 |
| leftyfb | did you install it from a 3rd party repo or from the source? | 00:08 |
| jackemled | No, it came with the operating system & I only have neon.list, ubuntu.sources, & a few application specific repositories. | 00:10 |
| jackemled | It's actually installed from Ubuntu Noble. | 00:11 |
| leftyfb | are you running Ubuntu noble? | 00:11 |
| jackemled | I'm running KDE Neon, which is Ubuntu Noble. | 00:12 |
| jackemled | The problem was probably caused by it just being incompatible with my hardware, since it was perfectly compatible with my software. My hardware is just fifteen years old! | 00:12 |
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| dspace | hii | 04:45 |
| dspace | need help in dual booting issues its emergency | 04:45 |
| dspace | is anyone here | 04:45 |
| Bashing-om | !ask | dspace | 04:47 |
| ubottu | dspace: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 04:47 |
| dspace | so i installed ubuntu in dual booting with windows and now i want to set the windows to open default. i tried changing grub but nothing happend it still opening ubuntu | 04:49 |
| dspace | also i did the same with systems and want to do the same | 04:50 |
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| nchartier | test | 06:40 |
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| ximon | hey please help me out of linux hell and tell me which ubuntu desktop has the best speed? | 07:50 |
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| ximon | :b -_- | 07:53 |
| applecuckoo | I don't know, on a quick guess maybe xubuntu | 07:53 |
| ximon | for games I mean | 07:53 |
| ximon | I heard the ubuntu normal desktop only use 600 mb ram? | 07:54 |
| applecuckoo | oh, I don't know the amount of RAM GNOME uses | 07:54 |
| ximon | https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?version=25.04&architecture=amd64 this one? | 07:54 |
| ximon | but technically what do you think is better https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?version=25.04&architecture=amd64 this or kubuntu | 07:55 |
| ximon | xd | 07:55 |
| ximon | applecuckoo probably xubuntu sucks like on every other linux distro since xfce causes weird effects or is xfce wayland out alreadyY? | 07:56 |
| applecuckoo | GNOME is the desktop that ships with stock ubuntu | 07:56 |
| applecuckoo | oh yeah, didn't think about the Wayland stuff :-/ | 07:56 |
| ximon | applecuckoo what means stock ubuntu? | 07:56 |
| applecuckoo | ah, wrong word, I meant stock ubuntu | 07:57 |
| applecuckoo | like regular ubuntu desktop | 07:57 |
| ximon | applecuckoo so probably also more bugs? | 07:57 |
| ximon | maybe kubuntu better then | 07:57 |
| applecuckoo | no, GNOME is also stable | 07:58 |
| ximon | gubuntu? | 07:58 |
| ximon | xd | 07:58 |
| applecuckoo | I just don't know if it's *lightweight* | 07:58 |
| ximon | what which one is the gnome ubuntu desktop? | 07:58 |
| dob1 | someone know why .xsession-error is not in my home dir ? I am not on wayland | 07:58 |
| ximon | but is there actually a difference from debian kde and kde ubuntu? | 08:00 |
| applecuckoo | the Ubuntu you get from https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop uses GNOME for its DE, Kubuntu is also an official flavour but it uses KDE instead of GNOME | 08:00 |
| applecuckoo | debian vs ubuntu is a whole 'nother can of worms | 08:00 |
| ximon | arch linux people told me ubuntu does not match release cycle of kde plasma is that anything bad? | 08:01 |
| applecuckoo | arch is rolling release which is very different from Ubuntu's release model | 08:02 |
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| ximon | do I want ext4 btrfs or xfs? | 08:04 |
| ximon | I want play games ( I only know btrfs should have features to check for badblocks or somethin? | 08:04 |
| ximon | kbuntu still using kde5? | 08:11 |
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| applecuckoo | I don't know that much about file systems | 08:27 |
| CosmicDJ | ximon: Kubuntu 25.04 uses KDE 6.3 https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-25-04-plucky-puffin-released/ | 08:35 |
| CosmicDJ | ximon: for playing games, stick to the FS Valve is using on the Steam Deck (ext4, which is also the default FS on Ubuntu IIRC) | 08:36 |
| ximon | shit | 08:39 |
| ximon | :D | 08:39 |
| ximon | I took btrfs for my main partion and ext4 for the partion where I put my games on | 08:39 |
| ximon | btw did you notice that firefox when you open in kde6 flickers to your second screen when you resize it | 08:43 |
| ximon | ? | 08:43 |
| ximon | XD | 08:43 |
| ximon | WOWWWWW | 08:48 |
| ximon | You have put rstudio in snap | 08:49 |
| ximon | ? | 08:49 |
| ximon | on my request? | 08:49 |
| ximon | thanks a lot | 08:49 |
| ximon | :D | 08:49 |
| mgedmin | hmm, command-not-found in 25.04 suggests 'snap install evince' but doesn't mention 'apt install evince', despite evince package existing in universe | 09:27 |
| mgedmin | bug or intentional change? | 09:27 |
| toddc | mgedmin: 25.04 replaced evince witha new pdf veiwer by default I read | 09:39 |
| toddc | GNOME document viewer | 09:40 |
| mgedmin | yeah, papers | 09:41 |
| toddc | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/03/ubuntu-25-04-new-pdf-viewer-app-official | 09:41 |
| mgedmin | it looks like command-not-found uses calver or something, with last release in 2023, so if there's any change it's in the database that cnf uses to suggest packages | 09:41 |
| toddc | I assume there were resons but I stil to lts so it will be a while before I get to test it | 09:42 |
| Guest45 | does someone use a window manager here? | 10:37 |
| Guest45 | shall I use sway beside this? | 10:37 |
| Guest45 | is sway available on ubuntu | 10:37 |
| geirha | yes, ubuntu has a package for sway | 10:38 |
| Guest45 | does sway install things like dmenu blablabla by default? | 10:38 |
| Guest45 | like when I do sudo apt install sway | 10:39 |
| ananke | try it and see? | 10:39 |
| Guest45 | seems good | 10:40 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 11:23 |
| Richardcavell | I'm on Ubuntu 24.04 | 11:40 |
| Richardcavell | When I invoke cc, it appears to be equivalent to gcc. Where does that come from? Is it an alias? | 11:40 |
| ravage | yes | 11:40 |
| ravage | update-alternatives --display cc | 11:41 |
| osse | what alternatives are there in the standard repos? | 11:52 |
| mgedmin | clang, maybe? | 11:53 |
| mgedmin | multiple gcc versions, more likely (e.g last stable and some development prerelease) | 11:53 |
| osse | I have no imagination :| | 11:53 |
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| ab_ | I'm having difficulty with a program called Zotero. I've just installed it and it says it's installed correctly. I have a terminal window open in /usr/lib/zotero6, there's a file in it called 'zotero', I type 'zotero', and it says 'zotero: command not found'. Has anyone here got any idea what that's all about? | 14:52 |
| lotuspsychje | ab_: where did you install it from please | 14:54 |
| ab_ | https://github.com/retorquere/zotero-deb | 14:54 |
| lotuspsychje | ab_: there seems to be a zotero snap too, zotero-snap 7.0.15 extraymond - Zotero helps you collect, organize, cite, and share research. | 14:57 |
| ab_ | snap doesn't work on my computer. I'm stuck using Xenial for a bit for complicated reasons. | 14:59 |
| leftyfb | ab_: sorry, but we cannot support Ubuntu 16.04 here | 14:59 |
| leftyfb | ab_: why are you stuck on Xenial? | 15:00 |
| ravage | It may be a 64bit binary on a 32bit system | 15:02 |
| JanC | /usr/lib/ is not where executables are located usually, and certainly where the shell looks for them... | 15:03 |
| JanC | *and certainly NOT where* | 15:03 |
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| JanC | ab_: there is a 'zotero6' in /usr/bin/ | 15:07 |
| tomreyn | (so try running "zotero6") | 15:08 |
| leftyfb | there's a good chance modern software won't run on a 9yo OS | 15:09 |
| JanC | (I'm assuming you installed the v6 deb, not he v7 one) | 15:09 |
| ab_ | It's in /usr/lib because that's where the package I've just installed, which is a third-party package but recommended by Zotero's official page, puts it. | 15:10 |
| tomreyn | in case you're not aware: by installing third party deb's, you're also choosing to grant the scripts included in this package to run with root permissions on your system. | 15:11 |
| JanC | ab_: did you actually try what we told you? | 15:12 |
| ab_ | It's not in /usr/bin. Might copying the folder from /usr/lib to /usr/bin help? | 15:13 |
| JanC | no | 15:13 |
| JanC | did you actually try running 'zotero6' ? | 15:14 |
| ab_ | tomreyn: Zotero is pretty well-known and reputable software that I've used before on a different computer (it's for starting references and doing citations) and they recommend this package. | 15:16 |
| tomreyn | ab_: i didn't mean tostop you from using this software, just to provide a general warning because not everyone is aware of the implications of installing third party .deb's | 15:17 |
| tomreyn | on the other hand, your ubuntu installation is probably lacking security patches (especially if you're not using ESM) | 15:17 |
| gueva | ciao a tutti | 15:18 |
| lotuspsychje | !it | gueva | 15:19 |
| ubottu | gueva: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi «/join #ubuntu-it» senza virgolette) | 15:19 |
| tomreyn | hello gueva, feel free to ask in english, if you speak it. | 15:19 |
| ab_ | Apparently, I misunderstood, I thought you were saying there was a 'zotero6' file in your /usr/bin and I should run this file which is not in mine :-D Inexplicably, that does something even though there is no file by this name. What it does is show a different error message. I'll have a closer look at this. Also, responses may be slow, I'm doing a bunch of things at once. | 15:20 |
| ab_ | It's saying 'Running Firefox as root in a regular user's session is not supported. ($XAUTHORITY is /home/ab/.Xauthority which is owned by ab.)', and yet there's nothing in the instructions about it only working if you're on an admin account. Odd. | 15:23 |
| tomreyn | you may have misread this. it says that running firefox *as root* (which you apparently did) is not supported. | 15:25 |
| tomreyn | running any graphical application with full root authority is usually a bad idea. there are usually besser alternatives, and most of the time (incl. for web browsers) you should not need and should not do so in the first place. | 15:26 |
| Guest45 | is debian even more performant than ubuntu if ubuntu is already that performant? | 15:26 |
| JanC | Zotero6 seems to be based on Firefox/Mozilla BTW | 15:26 |
| leftyfb | Guest45: install Ubuntu and see if you like it | 15:27 |
| Guest45 | leftyfb I am currently on ubuntu it is good but my question was rather on performance | 15:27 |
| JanC | ab_: running it as root is almost certainly wrong | 15:27 |
| Guest45 | if ubuntu already good in performance would debian even be better? | 15:28 |
| Guest45 | :d | 15:28 |
| Guest45 | :D | 15:28 |
| leftyfb | Guest45: try Debian and decide if it works better for you | 15:28 |
| Guest45 | in terms of playing videogames | 15:28 |
| leftyfb | we're not going to compare distro's here | 15:28 |
| tomreyn | Guest45: we don't do distro comparisons here, also because this would require a lot of benchmarking with different hardware and software configurations. | 15:28 |
| Guest45 | ah | 15:28 |
| JanC | ab_: if you are still in a root shell get out of it first | 15:28 |
| ab_ | I don't quite understand why it's doing that. When I try to run it from the launcher I get 'Failed to execute command "/usr/lib/zotero6/zotero --class zotero6 --url %u". Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/zotero6/zotero" (Permission denied)'. | 15:29 |
| JanC | ab_: and hopefully it didn't write any files as root, because then it might be hard to clean up | 15:29 |
| ab_ | JanC: I'm not in a root shell. | 15:30 |
| ab_ | oops. | 15:31 |
| Guest45 | is there things that can "debloat" ubuntu | 15:31 |
| Guest45 | blackbox.ai said ubuntu more bloadted therefore more ram and cpu usage than debian | 15:31 |
| Guest45 | so my question would be how to debloat ubuntu for less cpu usage | 15:31 |
| ab_ | I was in a root shell. I don't know how that happened. | 15:32 |
| * mgedmin doesn't trust anyone who uses words like "bloat" | 15:32 | |
| leftyfb | Guest45: feel free to remove packages for software you don't use. Though this really isn't going to affect CPU usage | 15:33 |
| ananke | 'bloat', aka 'I have no clue what that even means, but I sure don't like it' | 15:33 |
| JanC | ab_: probably from installing the .deb | 15:34 |
| ab_ | Apparently I can't cd to /usr/lib/zotero6 unless I'm in a root shell. How do I fix that again? /usr/lib/ is OK, it's just /usr/lib/zotero6 that seems to have got its permissions set crooked. | 15:35 |
| JanC | you don't have to "cd" there? | 15:36 |
| JanC | did you run any chown or chmod commands there? (I hope not) | 15:38 |
| ab_ | zotero6 doesn't run unless I'm in the directory. and I suspect that the directory being locked is also why I get a 'permission denied' error if I try to run it from the launcher. | 15:39 |
| sysadmin_ | what is shortcut for copy | 15:39 |
| JanC | sysadmin_: copy where/what? | 15:39 |
| leftyfb | sysadmin_: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/an-introduction-to-linux-basics | 15:40 |
| sysadmin_ | what is the shortcut for copy in linux | 15:40 |
| leftyfb | sysadmin_: https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/linux-tutorial/ | 15:40 |
| tomreyn | chances are you are looking for "cp" | 15:40 |
| JanC | you don't answer the question | 15:40 |
| tomreyn | but, indeed, the question is not exactly precise. | 15:41 |
| JanC | in what application are you trying to copy what? | 15:41 |
| JanC | in a terminal, a file manager, an office suite, ...? copying text, files, ...? | 15:42 |
| tomreyn | Guest45: i recommend against using LLMs as a source of support information. most of the time you'll end up with mediocre quality answers, and (at least) occasionally answers will be either misleading or completely wrong. | 15:44 |
| tomreyn | and, since you're looking to learn about it, you'll not be able to know whether it's one or the other. | 15:45 |
| ananke | using LLM requires a reasonable amount of critical thinking. not to mention, if you feed it garbage, you'll get garbage back. sounds like it was a loaded prompt | 15:45 |
| ab_ | I haven't done any chown or chmod, because I don't know how to do them correctly and I've bungled them once or twice before. What would be the correct way to set /usr/lib/zotero6 to not be locked? It currently has owner 'root' and permissions 'none'. | 15:52 |
| ab_ | I want to be able to run 'zotero6' without being root. It seems to be intended to be run that way, since it throws error messages when I try to run it as root, but it's currently not set to be able to. | 15:56 |
| Guest45 | https://paste.debian.net/1372516/ | 16:05 |
| Guest45 | damn | 16:05 |
| Guest45 | what is that | 16:05 |
| Guest45 | xd | 16:05 |
| ab_ | Guest45: I don't know, but I do know that Linux makes a habit of throwing lots of error messages even when nothing's wrong. Is it working? | 16:10 |
| leftyfb | Guest45: that looks like a kernel log output | 16:12 |
| Guest45 | journalctl --priority 3 I did this command | 16:13 |
| leftyfb | Guest45: what problem are you trying to solve? | 16:13 |
| Guest45 | no problem because I use sway | 16:13 |
| Guest45 | :D | 16:13 |
| Guest45 | but I dont necessarily like to see errors | 16:14 |
| leftyfb | Guest45: then don't look at kernel logs | 16:14 |
| leftyfb | Guest45: nothing in those messages is critical | 16:16 |
| leftyfb | if you want some of them to go away, you can run: sudo usermod -aG i2c <yourusername> | 16:16 |
| leftyfb | then reboot | 16:16 |
| ab_ | JanC: I haven't done any chown or chmod, because I don't know how to do them correctly and I've bungled them once or twice before. What would be the correct way to set /usr/lib/zotero6 to not be locked? It currently has owner 'root' and permissions 'none'. | 16:22 |
| leftyfb | ab_: sudo chmod +x /usr/lib/zotero6 | 16:23 |
| JanC | if you didn't change it, you should not need any changes | 16:24 |
| JanC | I wouldn't be too surprised if the problem is from running it as root before | 16:24 |
| ab_ | but it does not run and says it has not got permission. | 16:25 |
| leftyfb | ab_: you really should be seeking support with this from Zotero or whoever maintains the repo you installed it from | 16:25 |
| ab_ | the problem can't be from running it as root, because I only switched to root because it wasn't letting me access the folder it had created any other way. | 16:27 |
| leftyfb | ab_: run it as your user, not sudo or as root | 16:28 |
| ab_ | I did, and it said it had not got permission, because the entire folder it created is locked to root. | 16:30 |
| ab_ | Maybe asking in its Github issues section will turn up something. | 16:30 |
| leftyfb | ab_: why are you stuck with Xenial? | 16:30 |
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| BrownQuetzal01 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Al-sari | 17:05 |
| tomreyn | BrownQuetzal01: please don't post urls here outside an ubuntu support request/response context | 17:06 |
| BrownQuetzal01 | okay | 17:06 |
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| tomreyn | !guidelines | BrownQuetzal01 | 17:07 |
| ubottu | BrownQuetzal01: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 17:07 |
| tomreyn | also in /topic | 17:07 |
| sadkeyvanfar | hi | 17:16 |
| tomreyn | hello sadkeyvanfar | 17:17 |
| resica | Hi, I got a few questions before I give a try with 25.04, firstly does the installer come with a minimal install option? | 17:27 |
| resica | Because I got a limited disk space sized drive, I want to try to be a bit frugal with my packages installed. | 17:27 |
| resica | Secondly, has anything new since 24.04 been converted to snap only? I don't subscribe to the snaps are evil idea, but wanted to know if cups was converted or not. | 17:28 |
| tomreyn | you can try it online free at https://distrosea.com/start/ubuntu-25.04-default/ - which is not a service related to canonical or this ubuntu community | 17:30 |
| tomreyn | or, if sufficient bandwidth (and ram), download the iso and either boot it from a usb stick or boot the iso in a VM. | 17:30 |
| tomreyn | (i didn't answer your question directly just because i don't know the answer) | 17:31 |
| tomreyn | whether a given package is now a snap you can usually tell by inspecting the package structure and version number on https://packages.ubuntu.com | 17:33 |
| tomreyn | for example, note how the firefox version number changed to contain "snap" 22.04 LTS: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&keywords=firefox | 17:34 |
| tomreyn | also, the term "transitional" *can* point to this. | 17:34 |
| resica | The ubuntu docs says it takes up more or less 5GB, which is fine. And it appears that only firefox, chromium, and thunderbird are snap only. | 17:36 |
| tomreyn | resica: i'd expect snap transitions to be also pointed out in the release notes of the release introducing it. and i think i also read that release upgrades to 25.04 are currently disabled due to a major (?) upgrade related bug. | 17:41 |
| resica | I won't be doing upgrade, just fresh install | 17:42 |
| tomreyn | oh ok | 17:42 |
| tomreyn | shouldn't apply then | 17:42 |
| tomreyn | release notes are always a good read, though | 17:42 |
| leftyfb | resica: do you have the same opinion on flatpak and appimage? | 17:42 |
| resica | What does flatpak and appimages have anything to do with this? | 17:43 |
| ravage | Also I could not find any opinion about snap | 17:44 |
| leftyfb | I can understand technical limitations of snaps that do exist in some packages. And you are free to ask for help if you come across any issues. But to limit yourself because you think they are "evil" compared to flatpak or appimage, just has no merit | 17:44 |
| leftyfb | oh, my bad, I misread | 17:44 |
| resica | No, no, I said I *don't* subscribe to it. | 17:44 |
| leftyfb | My apologies, it's really exhausting seeing people with the religious beliefs towards a package format | 17:45 |
| resica | It's fine, I get that you had a reflex there. | 17:45 |
| Ninten | Hey! Has anyone tried to type a formula in libreoffice yet? I get logged out every time I try to save a file in LibreOffice Math. | 17:54 |
| www2 | he is there any news about the upgrade issues to ubuntu 25.04 from other ubuntu relases? | 17:55 |
| Ninten | I guess I should rephrase it. Hi! I'm a linux user running Xubuntu 24.02.2 LTS and after unsuccessful attempts to type a formula in both libreoffice Writer and LibreOffice Math, I get logged out of my user. I was using the preinstalled version of LibreOffice, but after a few unsuccessful attempts, decided to uninstall all of it and install version 25.2.3.2 from the LibreOffice website. Yet, the issue still persists. Has anyone else | 18:04 |
| Ninten | run into this issue? How could it be resolved. Thanks in advance for your support! | 18:04 |
| bprompt | Ninten: you installed the "stand alone" version from their website that comes with a bunch .deb files? | 18:06 |
| Ninten | bprompt: Yes | 18:06 |
| bprompt | hmmm | 18:07 |
| Ninten | However, as previously stated, I had the same issue using the version that was installed with the OS | 18:07 |
| bprompt | Ninten: how about using an old one? I run a quad-cpu with 24.04.1 however, I have noticed a long time ago, that Libreoffice new versions don't add much what I do, many math stuff and graphics, so I run 5.2 since it does all that but faster | 18:08 |
| bprompt | Ninten: wondering if your cpu or gpu may be having issues with it, assuming your cpu is slow or say 15 years old :) | 18:09 |
| Ninten | You guessed it. I have a dual core 2x1.3GHz CPU, and an onboard GPU. Maybe it's a hardware issue | 18:10 |
| bprompt | Ninten: I'm suspecting that, however running, btw I mentioned Libreoffice 5.2 on kubuntu 24.04.1 because older Libreoffice do not work due to a JVM rework, but 5.2 works fine and does pretty much everything, just faster | 18:12 |
| bprompt | mind you that I came to Libreoffice 5.2 after testing about 10 older versions =) | 18:12 |
| bprompt | and checking stuff on why they weren't working, and it was a rework on the JVM support | 18:13 |
| Ninten | bprompt: What I'm gonna do is test LibreOffice 5.2, as you have suggested, since new versions don't add much new features, and the older ones do things faster, and see if I can type the formula I want on my document | 18:15 |
| bprompt | Ninten: mind you that I also use a LaTex app for writing equations and such, and is small and very quick, it can output to PDF or EPS or a raster file | 18:15 |
| Ninten | bprompt: LaTeX interests me. Though I never learned how to 'code' with it. Can I, for instance, type an equation in LaTeX, print it to PDF and paste it to an odf document? | 18:17 |
| bprompt | Ninten: equation writing in Libreoffice Math kinda sucks, its UI is a major hassle, I use "klatexformula" and its buttons or keyboard is customizable, the buttons I put upfront is what I use 90% of the time, so everything is on the screen just one-click away, as opposed to clicking through many tabs and pulldowns | 18:17 |
| Ninten | bprompt: I'm interested in klateformula. Do I download it with apt install? | 18:18 |
| bprompt | Ninten: is in the repositories, notice, this is my setup and buttons -> https://snipboard.io/XhAagC.jpg | 18:18 |
| bprompt | Ninten: I can write an equation in seconds, way faster than I'd in Libreoffice Math | 18:19 |
| Ninten | bprompt: Brilliant! This is exactly what I was looking for. | 18:19 |
| bprompt | Ninten: btw, the [Assorted Symbols] is a category I made, so all those buttons I pretty much put them each there :) | 18:19 |
| bprompt | it comes with about 5 other categories by default | 18:20 |
| tomreyn | Ninten: does apt list libreoffice-dmaths report that this package is installed? | 18:20 |
| Ninten | bprompt: So it's customizable | 18:20 |
| bprompt | Ninten: yeap, the buttons, yes, I can show you how, all those buttons use XML, so is plain text file, just using XML | 18:21 |
| Ninten | bprompt: Yes! Here is the output 'libreoffice-dmaths/noble 4.4.0.0+dfsg1-2 all' | 18:21 |
| tomreyn | it does not say "installed" though | 18:21 |
| tomreyn | so it's available, but not installed | 18:22 |
| Ninten | tomreyn: I hadn't previously noticed. I'm going to install it right away | 18:22 |
| tomreyn | i'm not sure this is actually needed or directly related to your issue, though. this is a formula editor. | 18:23 |
| Ninten | I'm not sure either. Since I'm running the version that did not come preinstalled with the OS, maybe I should run a different command. I'm guessing apt list (something else, such as libreoffice-dmaths25.2) | 18:27 |
| tomreyn | unfortunately, the main websites' primary language is not english but french. https://www.dmaths.org/documentation/doku.php?id=description:changelog https://www.dmaths.org/documentation/doku.php?id=description:dlen | 18:29 |
| tomreyn | there is also https://extensions.libreoffice.org/?Tags%5B%5D=57 | 18:29 |
| tomreyn | extension versions are separate from libreoffice versions, but need to be compatible to be usable. | 18:30 |
| tomreyn | you could also check what was logged to the systemd journal (command "journalctl -eb" or similar, check its man page) when libreoffice crashed. | 18:31 |
| tomreyn | and finally, you may find newer versions of libreoffice to be available as snaps. | 18:31 |
| Ninten | I'm gonna try the iMath extension. Seems like it does what I need | 18:32 |
| bprompt | Ninten: ohhh yeah, there is snaps or flatpaks packages to search for, but as I said, Libreoffice Math UI sucks bad, I use it only when I really really have to, and more often when in Draw to add it to a graphic as caption or text | 18:34 |
| Ninten | tomreyn: I'm using the latest stable version available | 18:37 |
| Ninten | Anyway, I got all the help I needed. I have resources to work with now that you gave me ideas | 18:38 |
| Ninten | So, thank you | 18:38 |
| tomreyn | nice, hope this works out for you. | 18:40 |
| Ninten | tomreyn: thx | 18:47 |
| hmvago | Files/Nautilus file manager does not allow to set Execution permission: Recently my Files/Nautilus package (nautilus/noble-updates,now 1:46.2-0ubuntu0.3 amd64) was updated in my Ubuntu Desktop 24.04.2 LTS. Now I can't set Execution permission for files; though it is possible to do it under Thunar file manager. Thank you for your advice/suggestion. | 18:48 |
| tomreyn | !info nautilus noble-updates | 18:49 |
| ubottu | 'noble-updates' is not a valid release | 18:49 |
| tomreyn | !info nautilus noble | 18:49 |
| ubottu | nautilus (1:46.2-0ubuntu0.3, noble): file manager and graphical shell for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Built by nautilus. Size 497 kB / 1,600 kB | 18:50 |
| tomreyn | that's indeed the latest version | 18:50 |
| tomreyn | i'd rather guess that you somehow lost access to said directory, or never had it in the first place. | 18:50 |
| tomreyn | have you verified that you can modify permissions using a shell / chmod? | 18:51 |
| tomreyn | hmvago: ^ this was to you, sorry. | 18:51 |
| hmvago | Yes I can set Execution permission by shell/chmod | 18:56 |
| bprompt | hmvago: how about if you run nautilus with "sudo"? namely under another account | 18:58 |
| hmvago | @bprompt Not possible, even runing Nautilus with sudo. | 19:03 |
| bprompt | hmvago: sounds like some bug in a library then | 19:07 |
| bprompt | hmvago: just quick wild-guessing, sounds like something happened to the "group" or "user" account the nautilus process uses, I guess you can always install the older version of it, however stop also any updates for it | 19:13 |
| bprompt | at least that's what I'd do | 19:14 |
| tomreyn | temporarily downgrading should help you verify whether it is indeed a bug introduced in the newer version. if it is, you should definitely report a bug. | 19:15 |
| tomreyn | you could also inspect the changelog and diff between those package versions | 19:17 |
| hmvago | @bprompt: Thank you, I'm not so smart, technically capable, I think I'm going to file a bug. | 19:17 |
| tomreyn | https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/n/nautilus/nautilus_46.2-0ubuntu0.3/changelog | 19:18 |
| tomreyn | this latest update is from late 2024, i wonder what else may have been updated when you installed it | 19:20 |
| hmvago | @bprompt @tomreyn: Thank you! | 19:34 |
| bprompt | np | 19:34 |
| tomreyn | you're welcome | 19:34 |
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| u_ | hi. i really tried to ask google... how to make "cat /var/log/messages" on ubuntu when there is no more syslog? what is the command to show all logs since at least reboot? | 19:54 |
| CosmicDJ | u_: man journalctl, look for '-b' | 19:55 |
| bprompt | u_: I think you want "dmsg" | 19:55 |
| u_ | no i want what i was doing for 10+ years with cat /var/log/messages | 19:55 |
| leftyfb | bprompt: dmesg is only kernel logs | 19:55 |
| u_ | thanks | 19:55 |
| leftyfb | u_: journalctl -b | 19:55 |
| leftyfb | that will show ALL logs since you booted | 19:55 |
| u_ | is it possible to make it without "less" option? | 19:56 |
| u_ | so it works literally like cat | 19:56 |
| leftyfb | u_: journalctl -b | cat | 19:56 |
| CosmicDJ | or --no-pager | 19:56 |
| bprompt | u_: yeah, yuou can just redirect to a file and read the file :) | 19:56 |
| leftyfb | or that | 19:56 |
| CosmicDJ | u_: what's the point of printing 100+ lines? | 19:57 |
| u_ | thanks. that thing with "| cat" worked. didnt knew you could do that... its getting harder and harder to get to logs xD | 19:57 |
| u_ | because i want to see syslog | 19:57 |
| CosmicDJ | u_: journalctl -f | 19:57 |
| u_ | all of it | 19:57 |
| bprompt | journalctl -b | cat OR journalctl -b > mylog.txt # for a redirect | 19:58 |
| UndrWater | u_: systemd is likely not the init system you were using previously. just something new to learn | 19:58 |
| CosmicDJ | well either you have a very slow terminal or you can read very fast | 19:58 |
| u_ | im using rhel | 19:58 |
| u_ | systemd is default there | 19:58 |
| UndrWater | interesting, ok | 19:58 |
| u_ | but rhel has /var/log/messages so i dont have tpo go longer wey on rhel | 19:58 |
| u_ | longer way*. thanks for help! | 19:58 |
| CosmicDJ | alias log='journalctl -b --no-pager' | 19:59 |
| leftyfb | u_: so you're not running ubuntu? | 19:59 |
| u_ | ive been asked tpo fix ubuntu server. im struggling agains debian-based obstacles | 19:59 |
| u_ | to* | 19:59 |
| tomreyn | rsyslogd still exists if you prefer it, but i like journald much better nowadays. it takes a bit to get used to it. | 20:00 |
| leftyfb | u_: also, I can tell you that you are 100% not interested in "I want to see syslog". You want to see kernel messages. That can be done with dmesg (not new) and journalctl -k -b ( -b is only messages since last boot) | 20:01 |
| u_ | why would i want dmesg? | 20:01 |
| leftyfb | u_: syslog was kernel messages. dmesg is kernel messages | 20:02 |
| u_ | i have faulty service | 20:02 |
| leftyfb | then syslog isn't of much use | 20:02 |
| leftyfb | that was messages | 20:02 |
| leftyfb | in which case you should be looking at the logs for said service | 20:02 |
| leftyfb | journalctl -u <service name> | 20:02 |
| u_ | initial question was ""cat /var/log/messages"" in ubuntu. i just wanted to see all logs to find out if there is some SELinux analogue or something else blocking something, etc. why always people love to explain how you dont need answer for question instead of giving answer? | 20:04 |
| leftyfb | u_: start with the service log as pointed about above | 20:04 |
| CosmicDJ | because cat /var/log/messages makes no sense | 20:04 |
| u_ | it does in rhel | 20:04 |
| leftyfb | /var/log/messages is often deprecated in modern distros | 20:05 |
| UndrWater | new learning can be onerous | 20:06 |
| leftyfb | it's outdated and severely limited | 20:06 |
| CosmicDJ | u_: again, why print 100+ or 1000+ of lines; do you read them all? or do you just read the last few? in this case look at tail | 20:07 |
| tomreyn | rhel 9 uses systemd-journald (in addition to rsyslog) https://docs.redhat.com/en/documentation/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/configuring_basic_system_settings/assembly_troubleshooting-problems-using-log-files_configuring-basic-system-settings | 20:07 |
| u_ | CosmicDJ: i do read them all, yes. also i do grep something from them. | 20:08 |
| u_ | tomreyn: thank god rhel also has messages, so i dont have to learn new tricks on how to see same logs | 20:08 |
| tomreyn | u_: if i interpret https://releases.ubuntu.com/24.04.2/ubuntu-24.04.2-live-server-amd64.manifest correctly, rsyslog is still installed as part of the latest ubuntu lts server installation. | 20:13 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: that's only the kernel log | 20:13 |
| leftyfb | not services | 20:13 |
| tomreyn | you mean the rsyslog rules have changed? | 20:14 |
| tomreyn | leftyfb / u_: for what it's worth, i just installed 24.04.2 lts server and looked at /var/log. there is "syslog", which contains both kernel and service logs. there is "kern.log" which contains the processed/filtered kernel logs, and there is "dmesg", which contains the raw kernel logs. and some other logs, of course, but not "messages" (which i think has not existed for a while). this suggests u_ is dealing with a customized (or possibly | 20:36 |
| tomreyn | minimal) installation. | 20:36 |
| leftyfb | I think it’s been over 10 years since messages was a thing on Ubuntu | 20:38 |
| u_ | tomreyn: i said messages is there on rhel. not on ubuntu. try installing Rocky or probably Almalinux and you will find /var/log/messages | 20:38 |
| tomreyn | u_: you also said there was "no more syslog", so i wondered whether you'd have a syslog daemon at all. | 20:39 |
| tomreyn | (i don't mean to challenge your statement that there is /var/log/messages on these other distros) | 20:40 |
| u_ | i meant there is no more file i can just read instead on server instead reading tons of manuals on how do i use different tools to find same logs, but in a new way | 20:41 |
| tomreyn | okay, so you *should* have /var/log/syslog, which is a file, and may or may not contain the information you were looking for. | 20:44 |
| stef64 | Hello! | 21:41 |
| stef64 | I have a Dell Inspiron 14 5000 2-in-1 on which I installed Ubuntu latest (25), and whenever the image is not changing in any way, the screen turns black. Whenever I move my mouse, or any kind of animation occurs on screen, the image comes back and stays on so long as things are moving on screen, and the moment nothing happens on screen, it turns | 21:41 |
| stef64 | back to black (backlit). This does NOT happen when booting in compatibility mode, or in Ubuntu 18.04. What I have tried: -changing the refresh rate and resolution of the screen -installing the proprietary nvidia display drivers -changing the power mode to performance. This also happened when I ran mint cinammon live os and Manjaro. My relevant | 21:41 |
| stef64 | hardware is an intel core i5 1035G1 and an Nvidia GeForce MX330. | 21:41 |
| bprompt | stef64: does it do the same thing if you boot the same distribution 25.04 from a liveUSB session? | 21:46 |
| stef64 | yes, I tried to install it to see if it was a live boot problem, but it isn't | 21:46 |
| stef64 | Thank you for answering! | 21:46 |
| stef64 | I also tried to use the xorg open source drivers, no luck, I suspect the system is using the integrated GPU. I also tried to force it to use the nvidia GPU from the NVIDIA X server Settings, but the issue persisted. | 21:48 |
| bprompt | stef64: so hmmm, this issue is only happening in the liveUSB, but you haven't installed it yet? I think I'm misreading you =| | 21:48 |
| stef64 | nono, sorry for being unclear. So the issue stays the same regardless of being LiveUSB or installed. | 21:49 |
| UndrWater | sounds more like screen blanking (power saving) than driver or resolution issue | 21:49 |
| UndrWater | https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/display-blank.html.en <----relevant? | 21:50 |
| stef64 | should I browse the UEFI settings for something power=related? | 21:50 |
| stef64 | I'm trying it out UndrWater | 21:51 |
| bprompt | stef64: you're on a desktop machine, a mini or full tower, right? with 2 videocards, one onboard and an Nvidia one at PCI-E? | 21:52 |
| stef64 | nono, I'm on a DELL laptop | 21:52 |
| stef64 | which unfortunately isn't supported by ubuntu officially | 21:52 |
| stef64 | as in it isn't certified | 21:53 |
| bprompt | well, I've run ubuntu on Dells fine before though | 21:53 |
| stef64 | and it's not only ubuntu, I tried manjaro latest version, and the same thing happened | 21:53 |
| stef64 | which is why I'm suspecting some driver issue I guess? | 21:54 |
| tomreyn | "does NOT happen when booting in compatibility mode" does make it sound like a driver issue. you were probably using the proprietary nvidia driver from the very start, because those are integrated on the installer nowadays. | 21:56 |
| stef64 | yea, but I tried switching between those and the xorg open source drivers, and also older nvidia proprietary and nothing helped | 21:57 |
| tomreyn | so one option could be to use "nouveau" rather than "nvidia", but this may not provide a good user experience (depends on your needs). | 21:57 |
| stef64 | I could try that, but I suspect that it | 21:57 |
| UndrWater | it might help with troubleshooting though. good catch on compatibility mode | 21:58 |
| stef64 | pressed enter too quickly | 21:58 |
| tomreyn | the "xorg open source drivers" must bei one of "nouveau" and "nvidia-open", but i don't know which one. | 21:58 |
| tomreyn | *must be | 21:58 |
| UndrWater | nvidia-open is a combo of nvidia's proprietary blobs and released source. nouveau is completely open source. for troubleshooting, you might try nouveau. | 21:59 |
| stef64 | you' | 21:59 |
| stef64 | re right, it's nouveau | 21:59 |
| stef64 | I can continue to try and troubleshoot the nvidia drivers, but I suspect that the problem lies with the intel graphics drivers | 22:00 |
| tomreyn | hmm, okay, so you seem to be saying that you tried to select nouveau from the driver switcher GUI, and rebooted, and this didn't help. | 22:00 |
| stef64 | I have a feeling that it's using the integrated GPU | 22:00 |
| stef64 | yes, I am currently on the nouveau drivers | 22:01 |
| tomreyn | it should prefer the (cpu) integrated gpu, if any, by default, yes | 22:01 |
| stef64 | can I troubleshoot the integrated gpu drivers? As I understand it, they're integrated into the kernel, but can I enable logging of some kind? | 22:02 |
| tomreyn | intel core i5 1035G1 comes with integrated graphics indeed | 22:02 |
| stef64 | I'm willing to recompile the kernel with older intel drivers, from ubuntu 20 or 18, if necessary | 22:03 |
| tomreyn | basic logging happens by default. you can use sudo journalctl -b to see the full log of the current uptime. | 22:03 |
| stef64 | both of those version work normally btw | 22:03 |
| stef64 | I'll try that | 22:03 |
| tomreyn | if you'd like to share a kernel log, which would include driver initialization, you can use sudo journalctl -kb |& nc termbin.com 9999 | 22:04 |
| tomreyn | this would share the log on termbin.com, a pastebin-like site, for, i think, a month. | 22:05 |
| stef64 | thank you! I will right now | 22:05 |
| tomreyn | actually, a week. | 22:07 |
| stef64 | https://termbin.com/05kq | 22:07 |
| tomreyn | does it happen without the crashkernel parameter? | 22:10 |
| stef64 | I don't know what that means exactly | 22:10 |
| tomreyn | i'm wondering whether there might be overlapping memory ranges, but i'm also not sure how crashkernel works exactly. | 22:10 |
| tomreyn | you have a non-default (at least for desktop, i think, unless this was recently introduced) kernel commandline parameter set, probably in /etc/default/grub | 22:11 |
| tomreyn | if you didn'T do this yourself, just ignore it for now | 22:11 |
| tomreyn | hardware is Inspiron 5400 2n1/0032PT, BIOS 1.23.0 08/14/2023. you could check for a newer bios on dell.com | 22:12 |
| stef64 | no, i didn't do it myself, but since you're not familiar with it, I suppose that it's recent. If so, my issue persists over ubuntu 22 LTS, so that wouldn't be recent | 22:12 |
| stef64 | I will check for a fresher bios | 22:12 |
| stef64 | there is a more recent bios update, I will update and come back | 22:18 |
| tomreyn | i915 (intel gpu) and nouveau driver nitialization look fine, for what i can tell. the wireless driver (iwlwifi) fails to load / start its firmware but this doesn't seem to stop you from connecting. | 22:23 |
| stef64 | yea, so far I've not had problems with my wifi | 22:24 |
| stef64 | I suspect it's a bug within the intel driver, specific to my hardware. Maybe they broke something long ago in the driver but nobody uses ubuntu on this exact cpu, so nobody reported it | 22:25 |
| tomreyn | there are some ACPI issues (buggy BIOS, which is not uncommon) but i don't think those would affect graphics. | 22:25 |
| tomreyn | just to make sure we're not just having a misunderstanding: did you check the screen blank options in Settings -> Power? | 22:27 |
| tomreyn | also power mode there | 22:28 |
| stef64 | Yes, I did. It's the setting that turns the screen off after 15min (for example) of inactivity, right? I turned it off. | 22:28 |
| stef64 | And the power setting is on performance | 22:28 |
| tomreyn | yes, that's what i meant. | 22:29 |
| stef64 | I updated my bios to the latest version, it didn't help | 22:29 |
| tomreyn | did you check the bios for related settings? it's possible that those were always there but ubuntu only understands those in newer versions. | 22:29 |
| tomreyn | i'm thinking of power saving, screen blanking, backlight related settings there | 22:30 |
| stef64 | I did, I turned off every powersaving option (intel speedstep, speedshift, even turbo, some other dell specific option) and it didn't help | 22:30 |
| tomreyn | and to clarify: the screen only goes dark when you don't do any input for a while, right? | 22:31 |
| tomreyn | ah you're saying it instantly turns black when you stop making input / changing the image the screen displays. | 22:32 |
| tomreyn | you mentioned that mouse movement restores output. does keyboard input do so as well? | 22:33 |
| stef64 | No, so the screen is kind of "blinking" on and off, depending on whether or not anything is happening on the screen. So, for example, if I'm on the desktop, nothing happens, it instantly goes black. I move my cursor and that exact milisecond, the normal image appears, and stays on as long as I move the mouse, the milisecond I stop it goes black | 22:35 |
| stef64 | again (still backlit! screen is not off, it's black). The same thing happens with any animation (replace me moving my cursor with the cursor being a loading circle, or having any kind of loading bar on screen, or even emoji animations in the browser), the image is being displayed so long as something is happening on screen. | 22:35 |
| stef64 | I could try to disable the desktop env and see if this still happens in the terminal | 22:37 |
| tomreyn | or just try switching to a tty, yes | 22:38 |
| tomreyn | you can also try xorg vs wayland | 22:38 |
| tomreyn | i assume you're on gnome-shell ? | 22:38 |
| tomreyn | (the default ubuntu desktop) | 22:38 |
| stef64 | idk to be honest, main ubuntu install | 22:38 |
| stef64 | but it happened on cinammon and manjaro too, so idk | 22:39 |
| stef64 | I'll try the tty | 22:39 |
| stef64 | in the meantime, how bad is it if I use ubuntu 20 LTS? | 22:40 |
| stef64 | since that one works | 22:40 |
| stef64 | alright so from tty3 CLI, the screen blinks constantly (probably due to the cursor), stays on while I'm typing | 22:46 |
| tomreyn | that's weird, i've not run into this before | 22:47 |
| stef64 | I have scoured the forums for a similar issue and found nothing :))) I don't expect anyone to have run into this issue | 22:47 |
| stef64 | I don't even know if posting this as a bug on launchpad would gather any attention, since it is only and uniquely happening to me | 22:48 |
| tomreyn | how do you know that? | 22:49 |
| tomreyn | i think you should indeed report a bug | 22:49 |
| stef64 | alright! I will then | 22:49 |
| stef64 | until then, can I use ubuntu 20? | 22:50 |
| tomreyn | i'm not entirely sure against what, probably the kernel | 22:50 |
| stef64 | I can still get security updates, but will other packages be affected? | 22:50 |
| tomreyn | ubuntu 20.04 LTS is about to loose standard support | 22:50 |
| tomreyn | but you can enable ESM and still get critical security updates | 22:50 |
| tomreyn | !esm | 22:50 |
| ubottu | Canonical offers paid extended security support for end-of-life LTS releases through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly. | 22:50 |
| stef64 | alright mr bot, thank you :) | 22:51 |
| stef64 | I already enrolled | 22:51 |
| stef64 | ah you called it | 22:51 |
| tomreyn | it says "paid", but there is a free tier for personal use | 22:51 |
| stef64 | thank you! | 22:51 |
| sarnold | stef64: have you checked in the bios for power savings settings for the display? or is this an external monitor, and maybe there's something to check in the monitor menus? | 22:51 |
| tomreyn | i'd also try to disable the nvidia hardware | 22:51 |
| stef64 | oh right, I forgot to check if the issue happens on an external monitor | 22:52 |
| stef64 | I did check bios and unchecked every possible power saving measure I could find | 22:52 |
| stef64 | the laptop is also plugged in for that very reason | 22:52 |
| sarnold | dang. maybe that's for the best, it'd be weird if that were a thing :/ but still.. this is weird :) | 22:52 |
| stef64 | alright this is super interesting, I connected an external display and this does not happen there | 22:54 |
| stef64 | it's working in extended mode, the laptop display has the issue, while the external display works perfectly fine | 22:54 |
| stef64 | On the one side I wish everything would just work, but on the other it makes me feel special to know that I'm experiencing such a baffling bug :)))) I'll even post a bug report for it! wow | 22:55 |
| UndrWater | i don't remember which, but i do recall the external monitor is specifically connected to either the discreet OR the internal. so, the external monitor's chip is working correctly | 22:57 |
| stef64 | for reference, I was using windows before and it was working perfectly fine, so I know this is not a hardware issue | 22:58 |
| stef64 | Alright guys, thank you very much for your help! You gave me some ideas on how to tackle this in the future. Have a good day/night! | 23:01 |
| UndrWater | good luck stef64! | 23:01 |
| stef64 | Thanks! | 23:01 |
| sarnold | stef64: you can fiddle with "xset dpms" on X11 systems to try to configure the software-based powersave things | 23:05 |
| sarnold | stef64: I haven't got a clue if those settings would apply once you switch to tty3! that's unlikely :) but "xset q" ought to print a bunch of interesting things, from an X session. I don't know what wayland does. probably you have to use dialog boxes if you're running wayland.. | 23:05 |
| stef64 | If you'd like to see some logs, I can do that, but I'm gonna install ubuntu 20 | 23:07 |
| tomreyn | please report the bug using "ubuntu-bug linux" before you install 20.04 | 23:08 |
| stef64 | oh right, cause I gotta include some system info, I forgot | 23:08 |
| stef64 | thanks for telling me | 23:08 |
| tomreyn | if you'd like a lot more under-the-hood options to play with, see sudo modinfo -p i915 | 23:09 |
| stef64 | uu | 23:09 |
| tomreyn | these options can be set on the kernel commandline | 23:09 |
| tomreyn | !cmline | 23:09 |
| tomreyn | !cmdline | 23:09 |
| ubottu | To add a one-time or permanent kernel boot parameter see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters | 23:09 |
| tomreyn | this *may* be too complicated, though, and please focus on the bug report first of all ;) | 23:09 |
| stef64 | okok, was just about to get sidetracked here :))) | 23:10 |
| tomreyn | i'm pretty good at causing this. ;) | 23:11 |
| stef64 | hehe same | 23:12 |
| stef64 | how should I phrase the title? "Screen turns black (but backlit) while image isn't being updated"? | 23:18 |
| sarnold | I hate trying to title bugs :) | 23:22 |
| tomreyn | stef64: sounds good to me. you (and others) can edit it later. | 23:22 |
| sarnold | I'll nitpick everyone else's titles to death but when I see my own months later, I'll think "gah what idiot wrote this?" | 23:23 |
| tomreyn | hehe, same | 23:23 |
| stef64 | haha :))) yea titles suck, I know | 23:23 |
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