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[01:18] <at3560k> Hi room.  I'm reading, but feel like I haven't found quite the right documentation thus far.  Situation: I have a host on jammy/22.04, and it's time to upgrade it. In the past, I would do this via `sudo do-release-upgrade`.   But this presently reports: "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.".  OK, no big deal... I run apt update && apt upgrade.  But 22.04 has phased updates (which I'm a little less
[01:18] <at3560k> familiar with), so I have a few of packages kept back.  Could someone steer me in the right direction here?  It doesn't seem like I should disable phased updates to do a release-upgrade.  :question
[01:29] <tomreyn> at3560k: hi. i assume that (pending) phased updates should not prevent a release upgrade. so i'm guessing something else may be causing this.
[01:29] <tomreyn> at3560k: run    sudo apt full-upgrade
[01:30] <ravage> sudo apt upgrade package1 package2 package3
[01:30] <tomreyn> if this doesn't solve it, yet, then check or share do-release-upgrade' /var/log/release-ugprade/main.log (path from memory, may differ slightly)
[01:32] <tomreyn> ravage: is this a way to override phasing?
[01:32] <at3560k> I'm hearing that I should manually upgrade my packages that are kept back by the phased installs? I don't want to debate with people helping me.  But I think if I do apt install, then it will mark the phased packages as manually installed, even if I dno't need them in the future?
[01:33] <tomreyn> at3560k: hearing this where?
[01:33] <tomreyn> you can always   apt-mark auto <package>   afterwards.
[01:34] <tomreyn> there is https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/explanation/software/about-apt-upgrade-and-phased-updates/#can-i-apt-upgrade-the-individual-packages-and-should-i
[01:34] <at3560k> Thanks tomreyn, that's the sort of thing I was wondering about.
[01:35] <ravage> All phased updates block a release upgrade
[01:35] <tomreyn> oh, they do? didn't know this (and this page dpesn't seem to mention it)
[01:36] <at3560k> So I *should* manually take all the phased updates prior to performing a release-upgrade.  apt full-upgrade doesn't seem to do that.  But I can try to take them manually
[01:36] <at3560k> Thank you both
[01:36] <ravage> The upgrader is not aware that phased updates exist
[01:37] <tomreyn> the page i pointed to recommends against overriding it, but doesn't say why. i guess i would just do it.
[01:37] <at3560k> The general advice to 'wait' for phased updates to arrive felt like a contradiction if I wanted to perform a release-upgrade, but that explanation makes sense to me
[01:37] <GenericPlayer> It's related with reliability. that's why phased packages are phased.
[01:39] <ravage> It will just upgrade the packages yes
[01:39] <ravage> Does not matter if you do a full release upgrade after that anyway
[01:40] <GenericPlayer> TRU.
[01:41] <tomreyn> i guess someone needs to report a bug against do-release-upgrades to make it learn about handling phased updates
[01:45] <tomreyn> bug 2041707
[01:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2041707 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Phased updates block release upgrades" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2041707
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[02:34] <samy1028> meustation, most people never deal with FIPS.  We have a requirement due to government or regulatory requirements for some of our customers.
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[04:28] <meustation> samy1028, thanks for the clarification; I'd be nevertheless curious to know more about those releases. is there a dedicated page on the ubuntu website?
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[05:18] <red_> hello
[05:18] <red_> CQ CQ
[05:19] <red_> CQ CQ Romeo Echo Delta
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[09:15] <Exterminador> help! I got this while `apt upgrade`: https://imgur.com/JGBW3rZ.png ; lsblk output: https://0bin.xyz/FFM4AENLSYGAVEMMZ4PW23I2KU -- where should I install grub?
[09:17] <Exterminador> (I should have asked in #ubuntu-server, probably)
[09:36] <tomreyn> Exterminador: the physical disk your bios will look for a master boot record on.
[09:36] <tomreyn> probably one of sda..d
[09:37] <tomreyn> by the way... most systems nowadays boot in uefi mode
[09:38] <tomreyn> (not yours, apparently, using old BIOS + MBR booting)
[09:40] <Exterminador> blame OVH :D I guess it's safe to install GRUB in all of the RAID disks?
[10:01] <tomreyn> Exterminador: i don't know how you partitioned those, but likely so.
[10:02] <Exterminador> I didn't. it's how OVH deployed the dedicated server.
[10:03] <tomreyn> then i can only refer to them/their documentation/their support. or you could run fdisk -l against those disks, and see which partition table type they're using.
[10:04] <tomreyn> the MBR resides on the first 512 (or something) bytes of an MBR/DOS partitioned disk. GPT partition tables usually also reserve this space for backwards compatibility.
[10:06] <Exterminador> "fdisk -l" output: https://dpaste.com/BGB3N2JH4
[10:08] <Exterminador> from the little I understand, installing in all disks will allow the system to boot even if one disk fails?
[10:19] <tomreyn> Exterminador: those disks (sda..d) have GPT partition tables, the newer type. i assume you can still install the MBR on these, but i think i have never done this, so better don't rely on me there.
[10:21] <tomreyn> a BIOS booting system will usually allow you to confgure a boot device order, where multiple boot devices can be tried to load the boot code from in the given order.
[10:22] <tomreyn> oyu have "bios boot" partitions for grub stage 2 on all disks, so this, too, matches the requirement to be able to install grub on those disks. but i still lack experience with this setup.
[10:25] <Exterminador> tomreyn: I'll just try to install it in all of them and see if any errors arise. thanks for your input :)
[10:27] <tomreyn> you're welcome, good luck, make sure your backups are current
[10:31] <Exterminador> there's not much data to lose. the only thing that I have more important is the WeeChat config, which is being pulled to my home PC every 4h :)
[10:46] <Exterminador> looks okay, I guess? https://dpaste.com/6U78CW6V4
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:15] <tomreyn> Exterminador: looks fine to me, data was written. looks like you got bitten by (bios/i386-pc) grub loosing blocklist support.
[11:17] <Exterminador> I'll let it be like it is, then. once again, thank you :)
[11:19] <dsc_> out of the box, Ubuntu does not allow you to hide desktop icons
[11:19] <dsc_> it just lists ~/
[11:19] <dsc_> so my desktop is one big mess of files
[11:19] <dsc_> and folders
[11:20] <dsc_> have to install: gnome-shell-extension-prefs
[11:20] <dsc_> there, you can hide desktop icons
[11:20] <dsc_> which is insane to me
[11:20] <dsc_> thanks
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[13:49] <ufaufi> test
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> we see you ufaufi it works
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[14:58] <f451> hi. i'm using 25.04 on a rpi5. The banner when logging in says "Users logged in:       0" even though im logged in on 5 different ssh sessions at once. is this expected?
[15:48] <NDMakesPickingNa> that banner isn't realtime iirc
[15:48] <NDMakesPickingNa> and it may be looking at local users (tty) versus remote (pty)
[15:48] <NDMakesPickingNa> I'm on 24.04 and have the same behaviour f451
[15:49] <f451> system is a headless rpi so it'll be all remote
[15:49] <f451> no mouse/keybd/screen
[15:51] <f451> NDMakesPickingNa: ahhh maybe it needs wtmpdb
[15:53] <f451> huh if i run 'w' theres no tty type (the column is blank)
[15:53] <NDMakesPickingNa> f451: if you execute /usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo does it report the correct #?
[15:53] <f451> tnx ill try that, 1 sec
[15:54] <f451> NDMakesPickingNa: yeah, same
[15:54] <f451> ie no it's still at '0'
[15:58] <f451> the /etc/landscape/client.conf is empty, hmm
[15:58] <NDMakesPickingNa> interesting. My old 20.04 install reports the pty correctly in w, my debian bookworm reports it correctly, my ubuntu 22 LXC on the debian install reports w correctly, but my ubuntu 24.04 install has a blank for tty colum in w, but who reports it correctly. /usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo reports the correct # of users on that last machine too
[15:59] <f451> maybe a bug eh
[16:00] <NDMakesPickingNa> plausible
[16:00] <NDMakesPickingNa> does who report it correctly on your system?
[16:00] <NDMakesPickingNa> instead of w
[16:04] <f451> ill try it
[16:05] <f451> NDMakesPickingNa: who reports nothing at all
[16:06] <f451> maybe it has to do with sshd config
[16:08] <f451> UsePAM yes is set
[16:08] <f451> hmm
[16:10] <NDMakesPickingNa> what about who as root
[16:10] <NDMakesPickingNa> ( sudo who )
[16:10] <NDMakesPickingNa> gotta step away from keyboard, good luck
[16:20] <f451> ty :D
[16:21] <f451> sudo who also returns nothing
[16:32] <supervisor> pkjlw3
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[20:51] <Guest85> I am looking for better documentation on snmpv3 on 24.04.
[20:51] <Guest85> (BTW I am willing to make a named account.  Just got on, and it's been a decade since I used IRC)
[20:53] <Guest85> Most of the snmpv3 stuff I've found is out of date for 24.04, has the wrong syntax information for 24.04 (for instance net-snmp-config on Ubuntu does not presently have -a nor -A switches)
[20:54] <Guest85> or is otherwise incomplete or for the wrong platform.
[20:55] <Guest85> There seems to be no good catalog of vocabulary.  When I  write out snmpwalk:
[20:56] <Guest85> root@landicho:~# snmpwalk -v3 -a MD5 -A xenopassword1 -X xenopassword2 -l authNoPriv -u xeno localhost | wc -l
[20:56] <Guest85> 29448
[20:56] <Guest85> I see lots of MIB and OID stuff which apparently only a hardware professional can interpret.
[20:57] <Guest85> Also, I want to use this for my home LAN, and I just see stuff so far to set things up on a single host.
[20:58] <Guest85> It seems particularly odd that so much is out there for net-snmp-config with -A and -a switches, but the script on my Ubuntu does not have these.
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