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[05:21] <B1T> l
[05:31] <ApOgEE> hi
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[05:56] <ApOgEE> hello
[07:32] <drew> I am trying to add a vpn connection for my office but I am getting an error about one of the algs being too weak: error=CA signature digest algorithm too weak
[07:33] <drew> I saw here: https://www.snbforums.com/threads/openvpn-2-4-5-cannot-connect-because-of-weak-algorithm.45428/post-390031 that I can set the option: tls-cipher "DEFAULT:@SECLEVEL=0" but I'm not sure where I would set that within the ubuntu vpn configuration
[07:38] <toddc> drew I would recommend updating the vpn algorithm on the server as a recommned starting point but I did see a good fix bit may take me a while to locate it
[07:39] <gebbione> ravage, thanks for confirming about App Centre vs Gdebi. I wish upgrades didnt introduce functionality gaps such as this one. Also for anyone who is a stakeholder in the Ubuntu decision making. Please introduce functionality that enhances stability. My feeling about snap is that so far it complicates things ... but this might be just my own limited view
[07:45] <toddc> drew it looks like adding a line to your .ovpn conf file I.E data-ciphers-fallback BF-CBC should allow it
[07:46] <toddc> edit for the needed algorithm as a updated openvpn client will block outdated ciphers unless you allow the one you need
[07:59] <gebbione> how bad of a decision is to install gnome-software in 24.04? given that app centre is really just snap compatible
[08:00] <gebbione> ie https://askubuntu.com/questions/1252134/has-ubuntu-software-been-renamed-to-snap-store
[08:04] <guiverc> gebbione, I don't understand what you're asking, why would using `gnome-software` be bad??   its in repositories though now in universe; ie. no security check performed by Ubuntu Security Team, but other than that why bad?
[08:08] <gebbione> guiverc, because clearly it is not the default choice in Ubuntu anymore but as i wrote above App Centre doesnt work with deb files so i am trying to figure out what is the ubuntu direction in terms of install deb files
[08:09] <ravage> I told you that already too
[08:09] <ravage> Support for deb files is already available
[08:09] <gebbione> ravage, in app centre?
[08:10] <ravage> Just not on the stable channel yet
[08:10] <ravage> So if you need it you can upgrade to that any time
[08:10] <guiverc> I rarely use app stores; but if I want something like that I'd be more likely to use `aptitude` which can be run interactively, it only handles *deb* packages, but that wouldn't usually worry me
[08:11] <guiverc> many people seem to prefer synaptic; we have choices.. use whatever you like (aptitude is a terminal app; ncurses or text display only)
[08:11] <ravage> So you don't actually need the feature
[08:11] <ravage> You just like to complain about it
[08:14] <gebbione> ravage, maybe i just like to complain, but all i know is that over time i dont remember things and having a single solution to perform the same task is simpler. Again in previous version i had no problems installing deb packages.. everything that does not work adds time loss to productivity. Do i like to just complain or if an app gets replaced with another one why not making sure it just works and supports previous features
[08:14] <ravage> snap refresh snap-store --channel=latest/edge
[08:14] <ravage> Should work
[08:14] <ravage> I'm just not at a computer right now
[08:15] <gebbione> ravage, are there any other side effects on using edge?
[08:15] <ravage> It's not stable as in the name of the branch
[08:15] <gebbione> i can google the command, just want to understand the extra aspects related to it
[08:15] <gebbione> is it likely going to ask me to upgrade another bunch of apps to experimental versions?
[08:43] <gebbione> can this be a sign of a screen lock down? [73297.089686] Lockdown: systemd-logind: hibernation is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7 ... i am not sure if related but my second screen, through HDMI is frozen at times when i dont use the laptop, i have to unplug it and plug it back in
[10:15] <_DarkWave_> is anyone online?
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[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[12:16] <Guest7933> Hi, why it often doesn't copy in text editor?
[12:18] <Guest7933>  it happens that after i paste and click enter as fast habits, and i sent privacy informations for error, because they are the previous notes pasted and not the latest ones on the clipboard
[12:27] <drew> When I connect to my vpn with `sudo openvpn --config /home/drew/whatever.ovpn`, I am prompted for a username/password, then it connects. If I import the same ovpn into the NM VPN connections box and put the same username and password in under "Password with Certificates (TLS)" I get AUTH: Received control message: AUTH_FAILED
[12:27] <drew> Is there some option that is not getting imported correctly? I compared the logs of openvpn being logged to syslog when I start it with nm and  what I got when I ran it from the commandline and they are basically the same
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[13:38] <Guest7933> I wanted to ask another thing, isn't there a "Show Desktop" button? It's really inconvenient because it creates a new desktop for everything every time. It's much more convenient to have the same work surface for everything. For goodness sake, anyone who prefers to use 4 can do so, but I find it convenient to have Show Desktop and have everything under the first one.
[13:45] <zniavre> win+d
[14:12] <Guest7933> zniavre, isn't there a little app to put as button on app bar to use it?
[14:20] <sourdusk_> Alright, I'm not sure if I just don't understand how cloud init works or what. I'm using proxmox, I have an iso pointing to a yml file on disk, and I'm making changes to it. It doesn't look like the changes are taking effect, even when I make a new clone of a template. Anyone have any suggestions?
[14:32] <tuxick> sourdusk_: https://akashrajvanshi.medium.com/step-by-step-guide-creating-a-ready-to-use-ubuntu-cloud-image-on-proxmox-03d057f04fb2 is a nice starting point
[14:33] <sourdusk_> tuxick So I've done all of that, and it seems that it's using at least part of the cloud init because it's installing qemu-guest-agent. It just seems like it's not taking the updated changes when I modify vendor.yml.
[14:37] <tuxick> modify what? on a live vm?
[14:38] <sourdusk_> Negative. I create a snapshot right after cloning the VM and roll back to that any time I make changes.
[14:55] <tuxick> there's this "regenerate image" or something
[15:06] <farhan> Hi all! I am trying to compile the kernel.
[15:06] <farhan> I am following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[15:06] <farhan> When I run this command: fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic binary-perarch
[15:07] <farhan> I get an error saying: The source tree is not clean, please run 'make ARCH=x86 mrproper'
[15:07] <farhan> When I run that command, I consistently get an error saying debian/rules is not found.
[15:09] <farhan> /usr/bin/fakeroot: 175: debian/rules: not found
[15:23] <sweatiest> farhan: pwd
[15:24] <farhan> I am in ~/src/linux
[15:24] <farhan> and...I think if I skip the first set of steps, it allows me to run this
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[16:44] <Guest7933> which is default vocal recorder in ubuntu?
[16:46] <kazoo> gnome-sound-recorder
[16:48] <Guest7933> kazoo, debian or snap?
[16:49] <Guest7933> anywai, i don't find it both snap and debian in app center, maybe for language?
[16:49] <Guest7933> kazoo, is this? https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/SoundRecorder
[16:50] <kazoo> gnome-sound-recorder/jammy,jammy 42.0-1 all
[16:51] <kazoo>   simple and modern sound recorder for GNOME
[16:51] <kazoo> apt search gnome-sound-recorder
[16:51] <Guest7933> i'm using app center
[16:51] <Guest7933> but if i search for  gnome sound recorder it doesn't appear anything
[16:52] <Guest7933> i found in my language "Registratore di suoni" but it give me error on installing
[16:52] <Guest7933> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ak7-7pmRJP3iWolASVMe6R3b1MBxAu_b/view?usp=sharing
[16:52] <Guest7933> kazoo
[16:53] <kazoo> Based on your screenshot, this is indeed GNOME Sound Recorder.
[16:54] <Guest7933> ok, maybe it shows me it just in my language and not if i write Gnome Sound Recorder in english
[16:55] <Guest7933> anyway, the following link is taken in the page of "Registratore di suoni" https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/SoundRecorder
[16:55] <Guest7933> kazoo,
[16:55] <kazoo> yes, this is it
[16:55] <kazoo> You can also open a terminal and paste: sudo apt update && sudo apt install gnome-sound-recorder
[16:55] <Guest7933> ok, do u see the screenshot?
[16:56] <Guest7933> no, pls, i'm not able to use terminal, often i do very big mistakes in it
[16:57] <Guest7933> i prefer graphical way, i'm not very good at pc
[16:58] <kazoo> Another package manager (like apt or dpkg) was running in the background, locking the system. This prevents App Center from installing new software. If you don't want to use terminal to unblock apt, you can go Microsoft's route. Restart your computer and try installing again :)
[16:59] <ian_> Hello. Is there a resource for learning about all the different types of package splits in Debian/Ubuntu? For example "-dev", "-common", "-doc", ...
[16:59] <ian_> Nevermind, found it https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debmake-doc/ch10.en.html#package-split-example
[16:59] <kazoo> I just wanted to offer you some documentation :)
[17:01] <Guest7933> kazoo, thansk a lot
[17:02] <kazoo> n/p
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[17:10] <isf369> Are there any Ubuntu developers here, I found a packaging bug in KDE/Kwin
[17:44] <Group-Deed> I don't care THAT much that Windows 10 will be EOL, although obviously as time passes it will matter more and more and I figure now's as good a time as any to migrate full-time to Linux.
[17:45] <Group-Deed> I already use Ubuntu on the daily at work. Might as well figure out the gaming side of things, and pretty much all of the games I play on the reg allegedly run pretty well on Linux.
[21:25] <Guest4182> hi all, i was looking for a solution to have a button to show desktop
[21:25] <human_being> hi, you're using gnome?
[21:26] <Guest4182> i don't know
[21:26] <Guest4182> Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS
[21:28] <human_being> well, it probably comes with GNOME. have you tried to hit the keys super+d ???
[21:28] <Guest4182> i installed this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YwRV9F6rHpsaL3ELIJ6XYrPnZZQlsfA0/view?usp=sharing
[21:28] <Guest4182> but after, i found several installed apps
[21:28] <Guest4182> that i have difficult tu uninstall
[21:30] <Guest4182> i found "KDE Wallet manager" "Klipper" and "KDE settings", after several attempts I managed to remove kde settings and kde wallet manager because i found them in app center, but now i can't remove "Klipper"
[21:31] <Guest4182> in app center the app i shown u in the link appears as uninstalled
[21:32] <Guest4182> human_being, someone told me to press WIN*D but i prefer a button to show desktop, for example in the side bar where are the other main apps
[21:32] <Guest4182> on the left of screen
[21:32] <Guest4182> anyway, now i have to remove klipper that appears in the menu of all apps
[21:34] <Guest4182> pls tell me that human_being is not AI Bot :-( i don't like to talk with artificial deficience :-( AD :(
[21:34] <human_being> I understand. ok. in regards to the button to show the desktop, I dont remember if in KDE exist such a thing.
[21:36] <human_being> about the program you want to delete, there are ways to do that using the terminal, wich suites perfect for that case, since you cant do it using the GUI
[21:36] <Guest4182> i have Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS someone told me that maybe i don't have KDE but gnome, i just found that app in app center which is called "Dai un occhiata al desktop" as i shown u in the link i pasted few minutes ago, translation is "Take a look at the desktop"
[21:36] <bprompt> Guest4182: what did  you install anyway?   I mean, I saw the picture, but doesn't tell me much
[21:37] <human_being> ah, italiano then.
[21:38] <bprompt> Guest4182: hmmm ok, then first off, why would you install kde in the first place?  and yes, plain vanilla Ubuntu comes with Gnome
[21:38] <Guest4182> I installed that app because I thought that perhaps it was a button to be able to show the desktop, as I Dettop before, after installing this app, in the menu of all the apps different applications appeared .... one was called KDE System settings, the other kdewalletmanager or something like this and another Klipper. After various attempts and restarted because the App Center stuck, I managed to uninstall the first two, but I don't
[21:38] <Guest4182> find Klipper in the App Center, nor via the Synaptic packages manager
[21:39] <Guest4182> maybe do i need to use another packages manager?
[21:39] <bprompt> Guest4182: so, hmm hmm is it working? I mean, do  you have a desktop?  what's the original issue you were trying to solve by installing that?
[21:40] <bprompt> Guest4182: I mean, all those apps  you mentioned, are fine, are just part of KDE desktop, and they all work and are useful, mind you I run Kubuntu and use some of them
[21:41] <Guest4182> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ao5_lKQpLVUYD68OWOGgb5yP37cVJY1I/view?usp=sharing
[21:41] <bprompt> Guest4182: keep in mind that I run kubuntu because I do use KDE apps, quite a few of them
[21:41] <bprompt> Guest4182: saw that
[21:41] <Guest4182> this is the app Klipper that i can't uninstall
[21:42] <Guest4182> bprompt, I don't want to install KDE, I simply searched in app center "show desktop" and that app I thought came out had that function
[21:42] <bprompt> Guest4182: Klipper is a "clipboard manager" and part of the KDE desktop you installed, so you can't quite remove it because is "needed" by an installed app, in this case the KDE desktop
[21:42] <Guest4182> i don't even know what is KDE
[21:43] <human_being> KDE is another desktop environment, like GNOME, which you are using right now.
[21:43] <bprompt> Guest4182: is a "desktop manager", like I said, I have it, because I use KDE apps myself, I prefer it to gnome, though now and then I use gnome too
[21:44] <bprompt> Guest4182: you can have both installed, dosen't really matter, one doesn't "trump" or remove or cramp the other, hell, way back when, I use to run both, back in SuSE or Mandrake
[21:44] <Guest4182> bprompt, i don't need them, i just want an app, a button to click and show desktop, the main desktop, because i don't like to use a new desktop everytime i have to start another work and when i need to use the desktop, i like to word just in the main desktop
[21:44] <bprompt> I even use to use "E" enlighment too
[21:45] <human_being> next, I understand that AI can sometimes make mistakes, but, for things like this, it works perfect fine. I understand also that you maybe dont want to "make a course" to learn to use a terminal window, but, you could give it a try, since it can be the best way to fix your issues right no.
[21:46] <bprompt> Guest4182: so hmmm from what I can tell, you installed accidentally "kde desktop", well, then simply uninstall "kde desktop", and all apps for it will go after that, with an "autoremove"
[21:47] <human_being> no bprompt, he installed an ap to "show the desktop" like if you hit windows+d
[21:48] <bprompt> Guest4182: now, if  you want to show the desktop hmmm not sure on Gnome, but I know many desktop managers use "winkey+d" combination to show the desktop screen
[21:48] <human_being> I mean, not an app, a program or a function to do that in his desktop. probably like a tweek function
[21:48] <bprompt> human_being: well, he/she didn't, he/she "searched" in the app center for desktop and the "kde desktop" came up and got installed
[21:49] <Guest4182> I did not install KDE Desktop, I only installed that app that is called "Dai un occhiata al desktop" that I showed you in the first screenshot, the translation would be take a look at the desktop, but I only installed that, I did not install anything else so I did not understand why I found several apps installed after I found myself
[21:49] <Guest4182> i click "install" just for this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YwRV9F6rHpsaL3ELIJ6XYrPnZZQlsfA0/view
[21:49] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:51] <bprompt> Guest4182: right, the app you installed, comes with "helpers" or "libraries", and all part of the package functionality, so in this case it seems Klipper is part of the installation, so you can't remove it without removing the installation of the whole "desktop" you installed
[21:53] <Guest4182> ok, what do i need to type in text box of app center to find this app to remove?
[21:53] <bprompt> Guest4182: installations through the "app center" are sorta user-friendly, you see an icon and you install it, the part  you don't see, is the other packages that are used and "threaded in the installation" for the app to work, that part the user doesn't see for the sake of simplicity in the install
[21:53] <Guest4182> if i type "Klipper" it doesn't find anything
[21:54] <bprompt> Guest4182: if  you go to the terminal, and type in "klipper", does it run?
[21:54] <Guest4182> bprompt, ok but i searched Klipper in synaptic it doesn't appear even in the package manager synaptic
[21:54] <Guest4182> i'm not able to use terminal
[21:54] <bprompt> Guest4182: then, hmmm what's your beef? :) is not installed, it seems :)
[21:55] <Guest4182> i clicked on the app and it actually show desktop, but the problem is that it installed much more junk
[21:55] <Guest4182> so manu other apps that i didn't request, and i didn't want
[21:55] <bprompt> Guest4182: installations through the "app center" are sorta user-friendly, you see an icon and you install it, the part  you don't see, is the other packages that are used and "threaded in the installation" for the app to work, that part the user doesn't see for the sake of simplicity in the install
[21:56] <Guest4182> bprompt, it is installed, because it appears in the menu of all apps
[21:57] <human_being> ok, guest, but, maybe this other "junk" you are refering to, is needed for the dai una occhiata al desktop to work... you kno?
[21:58] <bprompt> Guest4182: yeah, seems klipper came along as a helper, is just a clipboard manager btw
[21:59] <Guest4182> human_being, no, because i just want a single button to show desktop, i don't want anything else
[21:59] <bprompt> is also possible that some other "helper" package installed, needed klipper too
[21:59] <Guest4182> i don't want kde destkop, i don't want kde desktop settings, i don't want KDE wallet, they are different apps for different purpose
[22:00] <bprompt> Guest4182: yeah, that sounds like you installed kde desktop
[22:00] <bprompt> Guest4182: but to "show the desktop" in gnome, you don't really need anything, the session starts off with the desktop
[22:01] <Guest4182> for case is it called "PLASMA"?
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[22:02] <bprompt> Guest4182: plasma is just another kde component, is used to show "widgets" on the desktop and on the systray, so-called "plasmoids", KDE network manager interface is using plasma
[22:02] <Guest4182> i need to show desktop while i'm using p
[22:02] <Guest4182> pc
[22:02] <bprompt> Guest4182: but to "show the desktop" in gnome, you don't really need anything, the session starts off with the desktop
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[22:02] <bprompt> Guest4182: so hmmmm when  you started the PC, what were you getting?  a blank screen before?
[22:03] <human_being> come on... you know what he is refering to... he wants a button to show desktop, that being, minimize all windows and to see the wallpaper..
[22:03] <jje> 'win key + d' shows desktop in gnome
[22:04] <bprompt> is beginning to sound, you bought a car, then you went to "buy" a new steering wheel, not knowing it already had one
[22:04] <human_being> to do that, you need to install several other "extensions" like "dash to panel" and "show desktop button"
[22:04] <bprompt> yeah, kde uses "winkey+d" too
[22:04] <Guest4182> bprompt,  To me the "Desktop show" button I need during the work session to return to the main desktop with a click, at startup it is another speech
[22:05] <bprompt> Guest4182: winkey+d does that
[22:05] <human_being> he dont want to use the key stroke combination. maybe he is using a mouse to everything, who knows. is a desktop environment, not a emacs window.
[22:06] <bprompt> I mean, hell, I regularly have about 15 windows open and I use that combination not that often, but now and then
[22:06] <human_being> reasumendo,  you need to install several other "extensions" like "dash to panel" and "show desktop button"
[22:07] <Guest4182> The problem is that now I must first remove that hateful Klipper app that I can't uninstall, because it does not appear in the App Center, nor in Synaptic the operator of the packages and in the event that it is an addiction of some other apps that has been installed when I clicked install on that cursed app "take a look to desktop", I don't know how to find it to remove all these sporcies that have installed me
[22:07] <bprompt> klipper lov♥s U, it lov♥s U long time
[22:08] <isf369> i couldn't find this online, when do interim releases (i.e. 25.04 -> 25.10) usually finish up updating package versions? i found before a timeline for "freezes" and such but i can't find it now
[22:08] <bprompt> Guest4182: like I said, seems to me  you installed "kde desktop", and you'd need to remove that first
[22:09] <human_being> Guest4182, I encourage you to use a terminal window, it is just a couple of command lines you need to execute to solve the issue.
[22:10] <Guest4182> i found KDE desktop in app center and even KDE System Settings, but they appear already as unistalled, i never installed them
[22:11] <Guest4182> ok maybe i will try again tomorrow, now i'm tired and my sight is not very good
[22:11] <Guest4182> thanks a loto
[22:11] <Guest4182> lot
[22:12] <Guest4182> bye thanks all
[22:24] <Guest7498> bprompt, maybe I found it, I hope it's not a system app, that I didn't delete the default ubuntu app and any other apps that were already installed before this Klipper icon appeared. Since I found a small icon with three dots in the notification area and clicking on it opened the list of the latest copied and pasted text notes, I thought it was maybe a notes app, so I searched for the words clipboard klipper, as you can see in the
[22:24] <Guest7498> image, in the app center.... I found this app called "Notes" in my language which translates to "Notes" and it was installed, I thought it was the system app to manage copied and pasted notes, but I tried to uninstall it to see if this damned app called "Klipper" disappeared, then if it didn't disappear it means it was another app, perhaps the system app for notes and I would have installed it again, but fortunately after doing
[22:24] <Guest7498> "Uninstall" that hateful "Klipper" app disappeared, so I think there is no doubt, it is this app right? or could it be something else and I removed something that was supposed to stay and that was already installed or maybe it was even the default system app?
[22:25] <Guest7498> jje,
[22:28] <Guest7498> Sorry if this is a long story, I was just explaining the situation. Anyway, the question I'm wondering is, why does it install 4 more if I install an app? I understand the dependencies needed for the app to work, but in this case, I found my app menu crammed with other apps I don't need and didn't even know what they were or what they were for. I just need a simple button. Besides, even if it installed them anyway, how come they
[22:28] <Guest7498> were installed through the only app I clicked "Install," and if I click "Uninstall" on this app, doesn't it remove everything and put everything back the way it was before? I see it as a deliberate ploy with bad intentions on the part of the creator of that app, or was there simply a mistake on their part in creating the installation and, especially, uninstallation processes.
[22:29] <Guest7498> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c5sG3jL_PFfEVErHf834bVuPWP8oO3Bc/view?usp=sharing
[22:29] <Guest7498> this is the app i found and i unistalled
[22:29] <Guest7498> and that after installing it Klipper disappeared from the all apps menu
[22:29] <bprompt> Guest7498: yeap, could be
[22:30] <bprompt> Guest7498: like I said, some "helper apps" installed along do also have "helpers" themselves, and klipper may be a helper of a helper, or it can even be more nested down too
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[22:46] <UndrWater> Guest7498: a google search shows klipper as a 3d printer controller firmware
[22:46] <ludski_> UndrWater: Klipper is the KDE clipboard utility. It stores clipboard history, and allows you to link clipboard contents to application actions.
[22:47] <UndrWater> ludski_: seems deprecated. i'm using kde, but no klipper. i DO remember the name though
[22:48] <UndrWater> possibility is that it was kde5, and that's why all the other stuff was brought in
[22:49] <ludski_> UndrWater: it would seem that its now contained within plasma-workspace
[22:50] <bprompt> UndrWater: hmmmm is in KDE, even in the latest
[22:51] <bprompt> UndrWater: you can run it from the CLI
[22:51] <UndrWater> not here, though this machine is gentoo
[22:51] <UndrWater> shouldn't matter though
[22:52] <bprompt> UndrWater: hmmm I have kubuntu 24.04.1, it runs
[22:53] <bprompt> not that I use it btw, I use copyQ
[22:53] <UndrWater> what version of kde?
[22:54] <ludski_> Unsure since I have no gentoo experience but you could run "equery files kde-plasma/plasma-workspace | grep -i klipper"
[22:55] <ludski_> it would show the files for it
[22:55] <UndrWater> it does. so it's baked into plasma-workspace.
[22:56] <isf369> dpkg "-S, --search filename-search-pattern..."
[22:56] <bprompt> UndrWater:   kde 5.115.0 with QT 5.15.13
[22:58] <UndrWater> kde 6.4.2, qt 6.9.1 here.
[22:58] <UndrWater> so here anyway, it's baked into plasma-workspace.
[22:59] <ludski_> mystery solved.
[23:00] <Guest7498> bprompt, What means "it can even be more nested down too"?
[23:01] <bprompt> Guest7498: ohh, nested down into a helper of a helper of a helper of a helper of the app
[23:01] <Guest7498> UndrWater, i don't know, i found it installed when i installed an app called "Take a look to the desktop"
[23:01] <Guest7498> in debian, not in snap
[23:02] <bprompt> AKA   app ← helper ← helper ← helper ← helper ← klipper
[23:03] <UndrWater> Guest7498: you installed it via software manager?
[23:05] <Guest7498> UndrWater, yes by app center
[23:08] <Guest7498> UndrWater, bprompt ludski_ isf369 I repeat, the thing I'm wondering, even if when I install an app from the App Center it installs 347 other different applications, then why if it fills the menu of all the apps with different garbage, then if I uninstall the same app it doesn't remove them all and clean everything up putting it "EXACTLY" as it was before? And in any case I see it as a wrong way that if I install an app, it adds
[23:08] <Guest7498> 3-4-5 others that in any case are not dependencies, they are not additional packages or something that is needed to make the app I installed work, they are actually separate apps, because I needed, and still need, a simple button to show the desktop, instead Klipper is for the copy and paste clipboard, KDE System Settings is for the KDE Desktop settings and something like that, KDE Wallet Manager is a wallet manager... all different
[23:08] <Guest7498> things in short that are of no use to me and that only create IT garbage.
[23:09] <isf369> Guest7498: you need to uninstall the root package
[23:09] <bprompt> Guest7498: like I said, to show the desktop, you need "nothing" per se, just use winkey+d
[23:11] <ludski_> Guest7498: Most apps have dependencies, an app would need X Y Z packages to exists which themselves requires another subset of X Y Z apps
[23:12] <ludski_> from there you go down the rabbit hole