| tomreyn | lagbox: it's not clear (to me) what "straight up gnome" session is compared to "ubuntu" session. my understanding is the ubuntu gnome session is called "ubuntu". if that's so, then what is "straight up gnome"? | 00:46 |
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| tomreyn | also, still, what's the kernel version (cat /proc/version), what's your apt state (apt update && apt full-upgrade && apt policy && apt list '?obsolete' && apt-mark showhold) | 00:51 |
| tomreyn | also, did you try a different user account, and did bringing up the activity menu with the meta key work there? | 00:51 |
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| Yasemin | Merhaba | 02:21 |
| andres_ | jh | 02:42 |
| Marz | is there an option to install systemd-boot instead of grub ? | 03:43 |
| enigma9o7 | In the installer, no, but you can always change it out yourself manually after installation if you want. | 04:39 |
| slingamn_ | i have an iMac 8,1 (early 2008 Intel iMac). It ran 22.04 no problems. I did a clean install of 24.04 and it's unbootable, it hangs after grub at "EFI stub: Loaded initrd from LINUX_EFI_INITRD_MEDIA_GUID device path" | 06:56 |
| slingamn_ | no further messages, even with `quiet` and `splash` removed from the command line | 06:56 |
| enigma9o7 | try nomodeset noapic acpi=off | 07:02 |
| enigma9o7 | those are the three that most likely prevent boot... if that happens to work you can trial and error and narrow it down to which one | 07:02 |
| enigma9o7 | if it doesnt help, web search I guess slingamn_ | 07:03 |
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| jelly | where can I find a copy of archived repos for amd64 arch for EOL'd 12.04 release, codename precise? | 12:02 |
| ravage | https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ | 12:06 |
| ravage | and https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ | 12:07 |
| BluesKaj | 'morning all | 12:10 |
| jelly | ravage, thank you, contents of the latter look right | 12:14 |
| zaggynl | Anyone have any luck getting the ipu6 camera to work on a Dell PB14250? Only works if I use the Dell recovery ISO, normal Ubuntu 24.04 ISO installation does not, I've tried the steps at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelMIPICamera#Ubuntu_LTS_24.04 without luck | 12:58 |
| Guest7129 | hi all, which is the simplies e.mail client? for ubuntu I don't like thunderbird, too much complicated, options everywhere, i need and i like the most simple client | 13:01 |
| ogra | "mail" on the cmdline ? | 13:04 |
| ogra | (can't be simpler ... but also really uncomfortable) | 13:05 |
| ogra | for GUI there is claws mail but the UI is a bit rusty and old ... | 13:05 |
| ogra | https://www.claws-mail.org/ | 13:06 |
| jelly | Guest7129, geary maybe? It's from Gnome and they tend to hide and remove any and all options | 13:37 |
| jelly | looking at output of "apt-cache search mail-reader" ... there's also balsa, kmail (from KDE), and sylpheed | 13:38 |
| jelly | skipping Evolution and everything CLI and Emacs | 13:38 |
| jelly | (I can't personally ecommend any of those. My choice is mutt, which is terminal based) | 13:40 |
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| * ogra uses evolution but that's not much different from thunderbird option wise ... | 13:47 | |
| ogra | sylpheed is actually claws-mail IIRC | 13:48 |
| JanC | I thought one is a fork of the other? | 13:48 |
| ogra | well, yeah, sylpheed was a fork of claws but AFAIK it is actually dead now | 13:49 |
| ogra | (and was not really different either) | 13:49 |
| ogra | balsa is still well maintained I think and actually integrates with gnome | 13:52 |
| mgedmin | other way around, surely? sylpheed -> sylpheed claws | 14:11 |
| mgedmin | I remember liking the original sylpheed | 14:12 |
| Guest7129 | jelly, evolutio is very simple, i like it, just one function to manage and organize the list of the account | 14:13 |
| Guest7129 | this little options make him uncomfortable | 14:14 |
| Guest7129 | i just wann flag a bug, i don't know how to refer in other methods, i'm not very good at pc, i tell it here if someone can refer to the developer | 14:15 |
| Guest7129 | often i copy or cut from text editor and when i paste other windows, it doesn't paste the latest copied or cutted text, but the previous one.... sometimes is dangerous if for example fastly i paste e click enter and the previous text copied include some personal information | 14:17 |
| Guest7129 | excusme for my english, i hope u understand | 14:17 |
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| Guest7129 | excuse me but it's a boring problem, because many times i have to click copy and paste so many times before i see my text pasted in the new text lines | 14:41 |
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| tomreyn | Guest7129: sorry to tell you, but it's veeeery unlikely that anyone here will take what someone else said and bring it into the hands of a certain software developer. that's something you should try to do yourself. if it's software packaged in ubuntu, there's abug tracker where you can report bugs. but feature requests and suggestions for improval should be shared with the 'upstream' (original, not the package) developers by you. | 15:47 |
| tomreyn | (this doesn't mean your feedback is unwelcome, it's just not the right place / i'm just trying to convey what's a realistic expactation here) | 15:48 |
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| Bradipo | I have a server that is remote and only has serial... can I install ubuntu over the serial port? | 16:49 |
| Bradipo | I do get the installer screen, but if I choose the install option, it goes dark. | 16:49 |
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| slingamn_ | i tried nomodeset, noapic, and acpi=off, no improvement | 17:49 |
| slingamn_ | what's weird to me is that the installer boots without any problems | 17:49 |
| slingamn_ | it's also weird that i can't get any messages to debug it, even with quiet and splash removed from the command line | 17:49 |
| slingamn_ | maybe /boot or /boot/EFI are in a bad state? | 17:50 |
| lagbox | tomreyn, the problem fixed itself ... going to the plain gnome shell session reconfigured things on its own, so it fixed the config when i went back to the ubuntu gnome session ... i only had to switch the legacy theme back to the correct setting | 18:20 |
| lagbox | so no idea what setting but its fixed | 18:21 |
| lagbox | i worded that weird ... after going back to the ubuntu session i had to adjust the number of desktops and legacy theme back to what i normally used, otherwise it seems nothing else was changed | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | slingamn_: you should be able to install ubuntu server over serial; you might need a kernel command line option like console=ttyS0,115200n8 | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | ah no, that was supposed to be addressed to Bradipo | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | sorry | 18:41 |
| tomreyn | zaggynl: there are moltiple PB14250 models, with different CPUs, so it's not clear which intel CPU family ("... lake") you have. it's not unsual for sespecially newer hardware that some hardware parts aren't well supported, yet. that's exactly why there are OEM images, providing modified drivers and kernels which enable such hardware. | 19:03 |
| zaggynl | thanks tomreyn, I've created a topic at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1563100/no-working-camera-on-dell-pro-14-plus-pb14250 | 19:05 |
| zaggynl | it seems the drivers specific to the laptop are only available in the dell recovery iso, not the oem repo yet | 19:05 |
| tomreyn | Bradipo: you did not say which ubuntu variant and version you tried to install. ubuntu server should be installable using a serial console. i would suggest using 24.04 LTS. | 19:05 |
| zaggynl | I think I'll do a comparison between dpkg -l on both vanilla ubuntu installation and the oem one | 19:05 |
| lotus|ASUSNUC | zaggynl: dell could benefit OEM kernel | 19:07 |
| lotus|ASUSNUC | zaggynl: see also your sudo dmesg to catch your webcam error | 19:07 |
| zaggynl | so far I haven't caught when grepping for ipu6 or camera but I'll have another look, thanks | 19:08 |
| lotus|ASUSNUC | journalctl -f | 19:09 |
| lotus|ASUSNUC | and launch the webcam app from terminal | 19:09 |
| tomreyn | zaggynl: you could try this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipu6-drivers/+bug/2117188/comments/22 | 19:19 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2117188 in ipu6-drivers (Ubuntu) "intel-ipu6-dkms fails to build with 6.14 HWE/oem" [Undecided, Confirmed] | 19:19 | |
| tomreyn | i.e. run the commands in comment 26 (the above link points to comment 25, which explains the situation) | 19:20 |
| tomreyn | actually, the above link points to comment 22, which explains the situation | 19:20 |
| Guest96 | and what is comment 24? | 19:21 |
| tomreyn | Guest96: i'm not sure why you're asking this | 19:22 |
| Guest96 | sry nvm | 19:22 |
| tomreyn | Guest96: i'm happy to help if you have a more complete question, though. you're not an alter ego of zaggynl, are you? | 19:23 |
| ice9 | when I ssh to ubuntu 24 server I get a message like this one, how can I disable it? "Strictly confined Kubernetes makes edge and IoT secure. Learn how MicroK8s | 19:24 |
| ice9 | just raised the bar for easy, resilient and secure K8s cluster deployment" | 19:24 |
| Guest96 | no im only using guestnames so far | 19:26 |
| Guest96 | and i hoped i could contribute maybe or help out too i dont have much questions that fit into here | 19:27 |
| tomreyn | Guest96: i see. feel free to pick a different nickname if you're a regular visitor. | 19:28 |
| Guest96 | im not much here.... maybe once a week | 19:29 |
| tomreyn | (this can make it easier to tell you apart from someone temporarily connecting from multiple computers during an active support session, as well as to attribute your current messages to your earlier messages) | 19:29 |
| tomreyn | ice9: this may be related to https://documentation.ubuntu.com/pro-client/en/latest/explanations/motd_messages/ | 19:31 |
| tomreyn | ice9: https://prose.nsood.in/ubuntu-motd-ads has a workaround which - on a quick glance - does not impact functionality | 19:33 |
| tomreyn | there may also be /etc/default/motd-news | 19:39 |
| Guest96 | "/etc/issue" ? | 19:40 |
| Guest96 | oh wait nvm thats for console | 19:40 |
| Guest96 | wait who you talk to? | 19:41 |
| tomreyn | Guest96: whom are *you* talking to? | 19:42 |
| Guest96 | i thought i help the one you was helping lol | 19:42 |
| tomreyn | Guest96: you can indicate whom you're talking to by prefixing your messages with their nickname. As you already noticed, the topic ice9 is working on is about manipulation of motd, not of /etc/issue | 19:44 |
| Guest96 | yeah so far i noticed but i cant see any message from him in the chat history | 19:48 |
| Guest96 | oh wait now it is | 19:49 |
| tomreyn | using a dedicated irc client application may make it easier to follow along | 19:50 |
| Guest96 | as far i can tell motd not even exists on my system and loggin in over ssh also not says anything | 19:52 |
| Bradipo | zaggynl: Sorry, I left out the version. It's Ubuntu Server 24.04. I tried adding "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8" to the boot options at the prompt. | 20:00 |
| Bradipo | It did boot after that, but then it wasn't able to find the disk image to install for some reason. | 20:01 |
| Guest96 | what device you try to install? pxe boot? | 20:01 |
| Bradipo | Yes, pxe. | 20:01 |
| Bradipo | I have ipxe as the bootfile in DHCP. | 20:02 |
| Bradipo | And then in ipxe, I get an IP and then use "sanboot --drive 0x81 http://host/ubuntuserver.iso" | 20:02 |
| Bradipo | I get the Ubunto installer started in the serial console, no problems. | 20:02 |
| Bradipo | But then it seems to be unable to find the ISO... | 20:03 |
| Guest96 | ok its a long time i dealt with that sort of installations.... cant you just preinstall it on the storage insert it into the device ? maybe more easy | 20:04 |
| Bradipo | Yeah, this is for remote headless installs. | 20:04 |
| Guest7129 | tomreyn, excuse me i don t know how to do that fpr error amd bug, i tried to read imstructions but so difficult for me | 20:05 |
| Bradipo | And it's RAID10. Not about to try to install locally on drives then ship out. | 20:05 |
| Guest96 | but how remote if you connected over serial? | 20:06 |
| Bradipo | RocketPort serial multiplexer. | 20:06 |
| Guest96 | so its a converter proto over the internet? | 20:07 |
| Bradipo | Not exactly... the RocketPort is a PCIx card that plugs into a server---server is running Ubuntu linux. | 20:07 |
| Guest96 | whatever so i assume device is not accessible localy | 20:07 |
| Bradipo | The server then exposes all the serial devices in /dev/ttyRPXX | 20:07 |
| Bradipo | And I attach to the serial device using screen. | 20:08 |
| Bradipo | Yes, the device is in a datacenter, not local. | 20:08 |
| Bradipo | I've never tried to boot Ubuntu in this fashion so I didn't know how well it would work. | 20:09 |
| Guest96 | ok im not sure but i had earlier trouble with pxe tooo.... im not sure if its same like back in 2012 like times..... but maybe directorys or folders wrong | 20:09 |
| Bradipo | It boots, gets stuck trying to "mount" the ISO. | 20:09 |
| Guest96 | to put the image into | 20:09 |
| Bradipo | Could just be a networking problem. | 20:09 |
| Guest96 | oh wait maybe it just takes some time? | 20:17 |
| Guest96 | wait yeah i remember same problem and i waited for hours.... only diffrence i had was my device was directly connected to the local network and serial cable so after i got it working it was not taking even minutes | 20:18 |
| Guest96 | wrong directory i guess or some tfftp server fail? | 20:19 |
| Guest96 | but im trying to help you as a noob and it looks like im not seeding good stuff.... :( sry | 20:20 |
| Guest96 | at least not constructive i guess | 20:20 |
| Guest96 | i need to reteach me efficency back | 20:20 |
| Guest96 | 1 shot one kill | 20:21 |
| Guest96 | corona times made it all traumatic crazy | 20:21 |
| Guest96 | can you check the logs? | 20:21 |
| Guest96 | tfftp server should maybe tell something | 20:22 |
| Bradipo | Yeah, I'll check the TFTP logs, but I think it's actually sending the requests out the wrong interface. | 20:25 |
| Guest96 | there you go maybe | 20:26 |
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