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| toddc | 26.04 desktop settings snap is untrusted? bad cert or issue? | 04:19 |
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| cagrcoskun | Selam | 09:41 |
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| centrix | I am getting "Update Error: failed to update to 26382336: error-incorrect-version" after issuing fwupdmgr get-updates. | 11:00 |
| centrix | I wonder what that means and if I should continue using the fwupd related SW to update/upgrade my firmware | 11:00 |
| tomreyn | centrix: this is often due to an error in version spelling /continuity by the firmware handlers. but more details will be needed to review the situation. | 11:35 |
| tomreyn | i.e. provide full commands and output | 11:36 |
| tomreyn | !paste | centrix | 11:36 |
| ubottu | centrix: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://bpa.st | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 11:36 |
| centrix | tomreyn, https://bpa.st/JATQ | 11:41 |
| centrix | fwupdmgr get-updates | 11:41 |
| centrix | fwupdmgr update - all goes"well" asking me to reboot to finish/install. After reboot I get into the update black&white Lenovo screen. | 11:42 |
| centrix | Then reboot again and back into my Ubuntu login screen. | 11:43 |
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| centrix | Once a day I get notified about upgrading my boce's firmware from version 1.28 to 1.43. Still round and round. | 11:44 |
| ravage | ok. sounds good so far | 11:44 |
| ravage | so maybe install that update manually? | 11:45 |
| centrix | How? | 11:45 |
| centrix | ravage, that was maybe a weird question, but the update fails either way. | 11:46 |
| centrix | fwupdmgr update .... reboot and the rest was described before in this chat. | 11:46 |
| centrix | Of course there's another option: upgrade using HW vendor's ISO image. That is my last step. | 11:48 |
| centrix | history: https://bpa.st/TYMQ | 11:51 |
| ravage | if the ISO of the vendor fails too there is nothing fwupd can do for you im afraid | 11:54 |
| tomreyn | centrix: https://fwupd.org/lvfs/search?value=7a31ac37-4c2b-4863-851a-d33140b5d365 leads to https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/com.lenovo.ThinkPadR15ET.firmware which shows success rate for Version 0.1.43 is rather low (69%). you have a long way to go from 1.28 to 1.43. it may be a good idea to try upgrading to an intermediate version first, then continue to 9.1.43 | 11:55 |
| tomreyn | *0.1.43 | 11:55 |
| centrix | ravage, Yes. As I said. That is my LAST stage. If fwupdmgr fails. | 11:56 |
| tomreyn | hmm, then again, they only list unstable intermediate versions there. maybe they have a better offering on the lenovo driver support download page for your model | 11:56 |
| tomreyn | you can also open a bug report against fwupd on github | 11:57 |
| tomreyn | https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues | 11:57 |
| tomreyn | (look for an existing one for this GUID first) | 11:58 |
| centrix | A lot of options. Let me start with the step-by-step upgrade from 1.28. | 11:58 |
| tomreyn | i suspect mr. hughes is in a good (and better) position to hand such reports over to lenovo than device owner would be. | 11:58 |
| tomreyn | but, sure, reporting directly to lenovo would be better | 11:59 |
| tomreyn | actually, your output states you're already on 0.1.41 | 12:00 |
| centrix | tomreyn, Fiddling around with fwupdmgr is not my favorite thing so I'm green here. Let me check how to upgrade step-by-step using that GUID. | 12:00 |
| tomreyn | what does sudo journalctl -b|grep DMI:|head -1 say? | 12:01 |
| centrix | May 21 12:52:02 zbook kernel: DMI: LENOVO 20R4S4NE02/20R4S4NE02, BIOS R15ET47W (1.28 ) 01/12/2021 | 12:02 |
| tomreyn | hmm so maybe upgrades were staged but never ran | 12:03 |
| centrix | May be. How to push them to run? I can always reboot later. | 12:04 |
| tomreyn | did the update black&white Lenovo screen have a progress bar? did it take some minutes before it rebooted? | 12:04 |
| centrix | tomreyn, Yes. It too cca 2 mins. | 12:04 |
| centrix | I remeber that the very firs took max. to 5 min. | 12:04 |
| tomreyn | that's "yes" to both of my questions? | 12:04 |
| tomreyn | https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-l-series-laptops/thinkpad-l13-type-20r3-20r4/20r4/20r4s4ne02/downloads/driver-list/component?name=BIOS%2FUEFI&id=5AC6A815-321D-440E-8833-B07A93E0428C is the driver update page. they got a newer release there, 0.1.45 | 12:07 |
| tomreyn | centrix: i got disconnected earlier, didn't see you state that you used the (0.)1.45 ISO, yet. did you? | 12:09 |
| centrix | tomreyn, answers: 'can't remeber' : yes' | 12:09 |
| centrix | tomreyn, Never yet used the vendor ISO to update my BIOS/Firmware. | 12:10 |
| tomreyn | okay, then give that a try. if the journalctl one-line above still reports 1.28 afterwards then you'll want to contact lenovo about it. | 12:10 |
| centrix | Or upgrade using their ISO and get into it later. | 12:11 |
| tomreyn | i don't understand how that's a different approach. | 12:12 |
| centrix | I always had NO problem upgrading from an ISO or an adequate OS dependent SW (Win). | 12:12 |
| tomreyn | upgrading using lenovo's iso is what i suggested | 12:13 |
| centrix | My misunderstanding. But thanks! | 12:14 |
| tomreyn | good luck! :) | 12:14 |
| Smithx10 | Does anyone know why if apt-remove with purge is removing my linux kernel even when I am not removing it? linux-image-generic:amd64 (7.0.0-15.15) is getting deleted, here is the log: https://gist.github.com/Smithx10/ea09028c3b828d5fd86750ceb7841c6c | 12:29 |
| tomreyn | Smithx10: which command did you run? | 12:30 |
| Smithx10 | Commandline: /usr/bin/apt-get -q -y -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confdef -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold --purge remove amd64-microcode binutils binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu eatmydata fontss | 12:30 |
| Smithx10 | -ubuntu-console fwupd fwupd-signed iucode-tool landscape-common linux-firmware open-vm-tools plymouth plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text powermgmt-base publicsuffix snapd thermald upower usbmuxd wireless-regdb | 12:30 |
| tomreyn | ah, sorry, i missed this is apt_term.log output | 12:31 |
| ravage | im almost sure you did not type in that command? | 12:31 |
| Smithx10 | I'm debugging an ansible image build someone has previous used for ubuntu 24.04. | 12:31 |
| Smithx10 | the only main difference is we went from using the hwe kernel package in 24.04 to the linux-image-generic packages. | 12:34 |
| tomreyn | linux-image depends on amd64-microcode (via linux-image-generic) | 12:37 |
| Smithx10 | tomreyn: what command did you run to get the dep tree ? | 12:38 |
| tomreyn | i looked at https://packages.ubuntu.com because i'm lazy. but you should learn to debug such issues using apt depends apt-rdepends | 12:38 |
| Smithx10 | is there a linux kernel package that doesn't have deps. I agree with you .... I should learn. | 12:38 |
| Smithx10 | but... I too am lazy, and don't typically use linux :) | 12:39 |
| Smithx10 | Thanks tho. I'll go try to figure out which linux kernel package is just the linux kernel and not a meta package of lots of stuffs | 12:40 |
| tomreyn | maybe that's the core of the issue, your org making someone maintain / work with linux who doesn't typically use linux | 12:40 |
| Smithx10 | SunOS 4 life. Long Live Illumos! | 12:40 |
| Smithx10 | hahaahaha | 12:40 |
| tomreyn | you can switch between the two linux tracking packages without issue, just don't purge amd54-microcode | 12:40 |
| tomreyn | * amd64-microcode | 12:40 |
| Smithx10 | I'm guessing the hwe kernel doesnt have deps on amd64-microcode? | 12:41 |
| tomreyn | sure it does | 12:42 |
| tomreyn | https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449 | 12:42 |
| tomreyn | ...is a bit outdated but should still help you switch between kernel tacking packages | 12:42 |
| Smithx10 | apt-cache depends | 12:44 |
| Smithx10 | Thanks, I guess I'll just not purge after 24.04 | 12:46 |
| tomreyn | well, you can purge, just not the wrong packages | 12:47 |
| tomreyn | or you can sudo apt purge '~c~o' ("man apt-patterns" for details) rather than a fixed list | 12:49 |
| Smithx10 | Thanks. I wonder what makes 24.04 not purge the kernel. | 12:51 |
| tomreyn | dependencies are the same there between these packages as on 26.04 | 12:55 |
| tomreyn | in fact i initially understood you had inquired about 24.04 | 12:55 |
| tomreyn | (and since understood you were actually asking about 26.04, based on the kernel version you mentioned) | 12:56 |
| Geronimo | hola | 13:17 |
| Geronimo | important question: how do I open the emojis pop-up window to select an emoji in the input box of my IRC client? does anybody know? I am using Firefox and KDE in Ubuntu 26.04 LTS. thanks! | 13:18 |
| tomreyn | i guess this brings up the question of: what is your irc client? (i probably couldn't answer your questions since you're referring to KDE.) | 13:21 |
| Geronimo | thelounge.chat is my IRC client | 13:23 |
| Geronimo | ah. I think I found it! 😀️ | 13:24 |
| Geronimo | it's CTRL+. | 13:24 |
| tomreyn | glad to have helped you help you! | 13:27 |
| Geronimo | yes. thanks! | 13:28 |
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| zaggynl | is the snap store having issues? | 15:27 |
| Apachez | yeah seems like that | 16:06 |
| Apachez | that x30303 gang again? | 16:06 |
| Smithx10 | @tomreyn so it looks like the package that was removing the kernel was wireless-regdb | 16:14 |
| Smithx10 | kernel-> modules -> wireless-regdb | 16:14 |
| Jari-- | Ubuntu Software crashes - anyone had this in 22 latest? | 16:15 |
| tomreyn | Smithx10: wireless-regdb has no dependencies | 16:16 |
| lotuspsychje | Jari--: 22 is not latest, wich ubuntu release are you talking about | 16:17 |
| tomreyn | !xx.yy | Jari-- | 16:17 |
| tomreyn | !yy.mm | Jari-- | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Jari--: Ubuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle | 16:17 |
| lotuspsychje | zaggynl: https://snapcraft.io/ still gives warnings in topic | 16:17 |
| tomreyn | Jari--: have you tried running it from a vritual terminal ? | 16:17 |
| tomreyn | zaggynl: see also https://status.snapcraft.io/ | 16:18 |
| Jari-- | tomreyn: whats the command | 16:18 |
| tomreyn | Jari--: good question, i'll try to find out | 16:20 |
| Jari-- | tomreyn: oh it has a saving option turned on, bandwidth saving, because many times it costs to use internet | 16:20 |
| tomreyn | Jari--: is there any eror message on screen when it "crashes"? and if so, which? if not, what does it do unexpectedly? | 16:22 |
| tomreyn | chances are it's currently somewhat broken due to the service "degradation" | 16:22 |
| tomreyn | i.e. see https://snapcraft.io/ + https://status.snapcraft.io/ | 16:22 |
| Smithx10 | @tomreyn I'm not sure... why.... but https://gist.github.com/Smithx10/d676c1468198f4ab69feeac19d1ff546 | 16:24 |
| Jari-- | tomreyn: I was just installing telegram, it crashed then... and also second try it installed telegram and it is working ok | 16:24 |
| jp__ | Hi, i just checked and it seems all my journalctl logs have been removed | 16:28 |
| jp__ | is there a way to recover? | 16:28 |
| tomreyn | Smithx10: me neither. is anything unusual reported / warned about on apt update && apt-mark showhold && apt policy && apt policy wireless-regdb && apt policy apt -f install && apt -sV upgrade && apt -sV full-upgrade | 16:32 |
| Smithx10 | All I ran was docker run --it /bin/bash ubuntu:26.04 and installed the kernel and tested that remove command. | 16:33 |
| Smithx10 | https://gist.github.com/Smithx10/27af1f7cf4810f4a15b0220e399f93a9 output from that command | 16:34 |
| tomreyn | jp__: backups. this doesn't happen by itself (at leats not fully - old logs may be removed automatically) | 16:36 |
| jp__ | tomreyn: i executed journalctl --verify | 16:37 |
| tomreyn | Jari--: yeah, it'll be due to the service degradation, just try again tomorrow | 16:37 |
| jp__ | i see logs being restored | 16:37 |
| jp__ | It's still running but atleast 3 new log files | 16:37 |
| jp__ | tomreyn: i don't keep backups myself, because the 3 month duration of the logfile is always enough | 16:38 |
| tomreyn | ah, sorry, i forgot about that command. yes, indeed, unclean shutdowns and file system issues could cause this | 16:38 |
| jp__ | But someone fudged something and now i have only 5 days worth of logs | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | jp__: extundelete or photorec to recover files | 16:41 |
| tomreyn | Smithx10: hmm i forgot asking about apt list '~o~c' - but it won't be relevant if this is a clean container from a trusted source | 16:41 |
| tomreyn | Smithx10: maybe post at https://community.ubuntu.com or get commercial support if you have a subscription | 16:42 |
| Smithx10 | hahah @tomreyn we just gonna keep wireless-regdb for now :P | 16:42 |
| tomreyn | jp__: you don't keep backups and yet you miss those logs now - something's not adding up there | 16:43 |
| Smithx10 | Thanks for helping tho, I kicked off a build and am hopefully going to be able to get this out of my queue. | 16:43 |
| JanC | journald typically manages logs based on disk space, not time | 16:43 |
| tomreyn | Smithx10: good luck | 16:44 |
| tomreyn | + you're welcome | 16:44 |
| JanC | also possibly depends on *available* disk space | 16:45 |
| tomreyn | i thinl 10% are usually kept | 16:45 |
| JanC | so, the retention in days might go down if there is a lot in the logs, although 5 days seems very low | 16:45 |
| JanC | but that also depends on the level of logging for all your applications etc. | 16:47 |
| jp__ | Yeah but what i meant is, with my level of logging, the available logs date back to about 3 months ago | 16:47 |
| jp__ | So seeing 5 days only, after an incident where the logs are really needed, made me think someone is sabotage-ing the whole thing | 16:48 |
| shaheed | hello | 16:48 |
| JanC | of course if someone broke in then they might have deleted logs to hide what they did indeed... | 16:49 |
| jp__ | Well there is a whole payment platform on the system, used by about 10 companies | 16:49 |
| Sunrise | independent individuals may also log | 16:49 |
| JanC | ugh | 16:50 |
| Sunrise | ah | 16:50 |
| JanC | or someone internally messed with something, which is also not good :-/ | 16:50 |
| jStefan | jp__, you could check bash history for any hints | 16:50 |
| jp__ | There was an "issue" that broke the paymentplatform syncing payments | 16:50 |
| jp__ | so we have the payments, but don't know to which company they belong | 16:51 |
| JanC | hm, isn't it that that caused a lot of logging? | 16:51 |
| jp__ | ofcourse, everything is logged, so i could easily determine per payment exactly what was paid for | 16:51 |
| JanC | so on that day/time there would be lots of logs | 16:51 |
| jp__ | But now the logs were scrubbed | 16:51 |
| jp__ | JanC no more than usual | 16:51 |
| jp__ | not enough to overwrite 3 months worth of logs | 16:52 |
| jp__ | but the "issue" was already suspicious | 16:52 |
| JanC | I mean, a zillion lines "failed to sync" | 16:52 |
| jp__ | JanC each payment only fails once | 16:52 |
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| ankush | hello | 19:11 |
| jp__ | how would i get journalctl like powers for files? | 19:18 |
| jp__ | like for date filtering, etc | 19:18 |
| jp__ | nvm found it | 19:19 |
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