arraybolt3That looks so weird on Matrix :P00:00
arraybolt3because the > turned into a blockquote00:00
tsimonq2anyway yes it will be in SDDM00:00
tsimonq2time to throw er on extraverbose and kick it :P00:00
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> exit00:02
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> I really need to make an app that can figure out what goes in the chat and what's a terminal command.00:02
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> oh... sddm didn't do it?00:03
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> ok we have officially entered weirdville00:03
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> I just upgraded SDDM from Backports on a Lubuntu 22.04 machine and the bug doesn't reproduce00:03
LimeOnwhat about lxqt-session?00:04
LimeOni mean, its a session problem ^^00:04
arraybolt3It's doubtful since Openbox reproduces it too.00:05
LimeOnoh, right, i forgot that srry xD00:05
arraybolt3going to try lubuntu-default-settings next00:05
arraybolt3ok, it's not that either00:07
arraybolt3trying pavucontrol-qt, maybe it's somehow loading in the background and staying there00:08
LimeOnwhat about checking 'jornalctl'00:10
arraybolt3would be worth a shot00:10
arraybolt3trying lubuntu-update-notifier next00:10
LimeOnin mine, last log, from loutout says: systemd-logind  Session c1 logged out. Waiting for processes to exit.00:10
LimeOnso maybe log-out is ruled by systemd-logind, or the ubuntu equivalent00:10
arraybolt3I GOT IT!00:11
arraybolt3It is lubuntu-update-notifier!00:11
LimeOncongrats ^^00:11
arraybolt3LimeOn: Good hint about the "Waiting for processes to exit".00:11
arraybolt3lubuntu-update-notifier must be refusing to quit on logout.00:11
arraybolt3except... there's only one of them in my process list...?00:11
arraybolt3well at least we know what package causes it now.00:12
lubot[telegram] <tsimonq2> https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/d7209069/Screenshot_20231205_181828.png00:20
lubot[telegram] <tsimonq2> https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/11feaaf1/Screenshot_20231205_181448.png00:20
tsimonq2arraybolt3: It will likely be fixed with the systemd timer stuff currently sitting in ubuntu/noble.00:20
tsimonq2Needs some kind of GUI to configure how often it should run.00:20
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> Ah.00:21
tsimonq2Should communicate via dbus to systemd + change on disk and such00:21
tsimonq2This will be complicated to implement but incredibly robust to use00:21
tsimonq2Also, I'm done with the WiFi stuff, finally. I'll do a final rework at the end, separating it all out into different files.00:21
tsimonq2In the meantime, on to locale updating and such.00:21
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> Really I'd like to rewrite the entire upgrader from scratch to use Qt/C++/Package kit.00:22
tsimonq2But it's On The List :P00:22
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> The current version is messy, buggy, and uses an outdated, abandoned, and buggy backend.00:22
-ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit a757d52 in Lubuntu/installer-prompt "Correct the logic for incorrect passwords. Looks like spaghetti. 🍝"00:23
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> whew you've been busy😀00:23
tsimonq2arraybolt3: Random grilling time: what's semver, why would someone use it, and what's your opinion on it?00:24
tsimonq2Yes sir ;)00:24
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> Semver = Semantic Versioning. It's a versioning convention in which new major versions feature breaking changes, new minor versions have changes with new features that are backwards compatible, and new patch versions are compatible bugfix-only releases. It isn't followed nearly well enough in many major software applications, making developer's lives harder. IMO, it ought to be followed for any software that can reasonably use it00:26
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> There's a bit more to it, but all that can be found at https://semver.org/00:27
lubot[matrix] <arraybolt3> (looking mainly at Python with my gripes about semver not being followed)00:28
arraybolt3tsimonq2: lol you literally put an emoji in the commit message?! You mad. :P00:29
arraybolt3I think probably a new update notifier is probably a higher priority even than the network editor. The network editor is a long-term, difficult project that I wouldn't feel comfortable including in the LTS even if I had it finished feature-wise tomorrow. The update notifier, on the other hand, has a good chance of being doable this cycle and would00:31
arraybolt3be a very nice QoL improvement.00:31

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