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FourDollarsthunderbird-locale-zh-hant is lacking in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.bionic/desktop.minimal-remove.05:27
didrocksgood morning07:28
jibelgood morning07:28
dufluMorning didrocks, jibel07:30
dufluPing tjaalton?07:30
dufluping RAOF07:32
didrockshey duflu, jibel07:33
RAOFYo yo07:34
dufluRAOF: This fancy new glvnd stuff... do you know how to make it not ignore LD_LIBRARY_PATH (if I build a local mesa)?07:35
RAOFThere's probably an environment variable you can use...07:36
RAOFI don't know off hand, though.07:36
RAOFgrep for getenv 😀07:36
dufluRAOF: I've been searching the source for such things but it looks nontrivial and indirect07:37
dufluRelies on json text files and such07:37
oSoMoNgood morning/afternoon desktoppers07:37
dufluHi oSoMoN07:37
oSoMoNhey duflu07:37
RAOFEGL is driven by some json in /usr/share07:37
tjaaltonduflu: I don't know either07:37
duflutjaalton, OK. Yeah I can't bisect Mesa till I can convince the system to use my built Mesa :P07:38
RAOFNo getenv calls at all?07:38
didrocksmorning oSoMoN07:39
dufluRAOF: Yes, but only for config dirs, that are expected to contain text files, which contain file names, not directories07:39
* duflu stops complaining and starts guessing07:40
RAOFDoes libglx communicate the right libgl to glvnd? I think that's the flow.07:41
dufluRAOF: glvnd provides the one and only /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGLX.so.007:43
dufluAnd vendors provide files by different names07:43
tjaaltonLD_PRELOAD doesn't work?07:46
tjaaltonmaybe harder to get gdm on it07:47
duflutjaalton, yeah I vaguely recall gdm is a problem. Remind me why? Does it clobber LD_* ?07:47
tjaaltonjust guessing, since it should work for testing failing apps/games with 'LD_PRELOAD=libfoo app'07:48
tjaaltonbut in this case it's gdm and/or gnome-shell that would need that07:48
tjaaltonor cut corners and only point i965_dri.so to the bisected build, don't think the other libs would care07:54
duflutjaalton, using just the drivers last week yielded no commit without the bug. So I'm trying with full Mesa07:55
duflutjaalton, OK. Wedging the dir of a local Mesa build in here works: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf07:57
oSoMoNsalut didrocks, ça va?08:00
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didrocksoSoMoN: ça va bien, bon week-end, et toi ?08:15
oSoMoNdidrocks, très bien, super week-end, la forme!08:16
tsimonq2Belated morning o/08:39
oSoMoNgood morning tsimonq208:46
tsimonq2o/ oSoMoN08:52
willcookemorning all09:00
didrockshey willcooke, Laney09:12
willcookehi didrocks, how goes?09:16
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didrockswillcooke: good, but getting colder again. Yourself?09:18
willcookedidrocks, yeah cold :)  Kids & Wife had sickness bug over the weekend.  So far I've avoided it.  Washing my hands in bleach.09:19
willcookehi czajkowski09:19
didrockswillcooke: urgh, good luck with avoiding getting cotaminated :p09:20
didrocksmorning czajkowski!09:21
dufluMorning willcooke, Laney, czajkowski09:21
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duflutjaalton, happy Monday: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105518#c1009:44
ubot5`Freedesktop bug 105518 in Drivers/DRI/i965 "Framebuffer corruption (briefly) when logging into Xorg sessions ("Xorg -background none") (Intel gen9 only)" [Normal,New]09:44
duflu(the bug isn't happy, the bisection is)09:44
dufluTis indeed gen9 specific09:45
tjaaltonduflu: cool, I'll ping ben09:46
jibelis there a reference somewhere that explains why ecryptfs has been demoted in 18.04?10:13
xnoxjibel, well, ecryptfs-utils is still not demoted.10:18
xnoxjibel, opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1756840 and dropping ecryptfs-utils from d-i requirements10:21
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1756840 in ecryptfs-utils (Ubuntu) "Buggy, under-maintained, not fit for main anymore; alternatives exist" [Undecided,New]10:21
TrevinhoHi guys10:21
jibelxnox, yes but it will. It's just to answer to users asking why the option has been removed from Ubuntu.10:21
tseliotLaney: hey, do you know why gdm uses XWayland in bionic?10:21
jibelxnox, thanks10:21
xnoxjibel, i was expecting "demotion" to already have happened, and some bug # already mentioned, but it was not =)10:22
Laneytseliot: not sure, some g-s-d thing maybe?10:22
tseliotLaney: maybe it defaults to Wayland if the system supports it. This kind of breaks systems with intel+nvidia10:24
Laneyit does default to wayland10:25
Laneyyou asked about Xwayland though10:25
tseliotLaney: Xwayland is all I can see on my system10:25
Laneyyou won't "see" wayland in the same way10:25
tseliotgdm        922  1.0  1.4 566324 55136 tty1     Sl+  11:18   0:00 /usr/bin/Xwayland :1024 -rootless -terminate -accessx -core -listen 4 -listen 5 -displayfd 610:25
darkxsthey desktopers!10:26
Laneybut "what is using Xwayland" is quite a different question to "is the session a wayland session"10:26
tseliotLaney: how can I change that?10:26
darkxstgdm still runs wayland for gdm in bionic10:26
darkxstonce you login you get Xorg10:26
Laneytseliot: there's an option in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf10:26
LaneyWaylandEnable=false or something10:26
darkxstbut I wouldnt suggest using that^ unless gdm doesnt start10:27
LaneyI'm answering the questions that are asked.10:27
tseliotThe thing is, gdm starts, but I don't see my username or the icons10:28
tseliotit doesn't seem to work10:30
darkxsttseliot, but otherwise stuff is rendered ok?10:30
tseliotdarkxst: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H47ilOtqzZkRIEWSObZaCrPgjywh2xsW/view?usp=sharing10:32
darkxsttseliot, that is just wrong10:33
tseliotthings are fine once I log in10:33
tseliotand Xwayland is still there, BTW10:33
darkxstcan you enable debug in /etc/gdm/custom.conf10:33
darkxstand grab logs10:33
darkxstyes Xwayland is still required for gdm login10:33
tseliotdarkxst: is there a man page that explains how to do that?10:35
tjaaltonjust edit the file, under [debug]10:36
darkxstyeh its like the last line in that file10:36
darkxstthen gdm will log to systemd journal10:37
darkxstnext time you reboot10:37
tseliotoh, so the correct file is /etc/gdm3/custom.conf10:37
tseliotand yes, disabling Wayland seems to work now10:39
tseliotI think hybrid graphics + glvnd + the custo glx path got Xwayland confused10:41
darkxstwhat is custo?10:42
tseliotthe intel driver must be using nvidia's libglx.so10:43
tseliotfor some reason10:43
darkxsttseliot, I dont have a hybrid machine with nvidia, but maybe it is getting confused10:50
darkxstlibglvnd has had its fair share of fallout10:51
darkxstbut gdm should in theory failback10:51
tseliotin this case both intel and nvidia support wayland10:53
tseliotexcept they won't work together10:53
darkxstgdm fallback is based on failure, not advertised support? afaik10:56
tseliotyes, I suspect that there is no failure there. Then gnome-shell crashes10:57
tseliotdarkxst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jNrQXpSmty/10:58
darkxsttseliot, please file a bug, and I will take a look tomorrow11:01
tseliotdarkxst: against gdm?11:02
tseliotor gnome-shell?11:02
darkxstIt probably doesnt matter, it could be either11:03
darkxstsubscribe me to your bug11:03
darkxstits late here, so I have to go11:06
oSoMoNgood morning kenvandine! got this for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/evince/snap-fix-cbr/+merge/34163411:41
ahasenackdoes anybody know if he is on holidays?12:09
didrockshe is until Friday12:12
ahasenackok, thanks12:25
kenvandineoSoMoN, thx!13:13
Laneyjbicha: did you want to merge g-c-c with debian or otherwise hold off?13:14
LaneyI'm merging Gunnar's region stuff now13:15
jbichayou can merge if you like. I just uploaded g-c-c to bionic (without the scrollbar fix) a few minutes ago :)13:16
LaneyI don't really fancy merging though13:18
Laneythis makes the bzr stuff really annoying :(13:18
jbichabzr isn't my fault … ;)13:18
jbichaSeb's away this week though… lol13:19
jbichaI'm fine with us not merging this time13:21
jbichabtw, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop/+git/gnome-desktop is on git too13:22
jbichaI published that after Budapest before we said we weren't really going to switch all our pkgs to git right now13:22
LaneyI don't mind, but some people might ignore it13:24
jbichathat's fine, that particular bzr branch was mostly ignored too13:25
jbichaLaney: do we need a FFe for LP: #1752579 to sync brlaser from Buster?13:30
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1752579 in brlaser (Ubuntu) "Needs sponsoring: Upload brlaser 4" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175257913:30
Laneyjbicha: what are the changes?13:31
jbichaswitch to cmake, add duplex printing support. I'm just reading from https://github.com/pdewacht/brlaser/releases/tag/v4 ;)13:32
jbichaversion 3 was July 201413:34
jbichathe duplex thing looks pretty minimal, so the switch to cmake is the big one. Better support for more printers.13:35
jbichaI don't have a printer so I'm not actually running this myself13:36
LaneyI don't really know what this is, but sounds like it to me - want to bounce it back to Till and ask him to fill in some FFe details including having done some testing?13:38
Laneybinary debdiff would be good to check, but maybe the sponsor can just do that13:39
jbichaI closed LP: #1699216 😢13:49
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1699216 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Encrypted home support" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169921613:49
oSoMoNkenvandine, please comment on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/evince-snap-does-not-open-comic-book-file-cbr-while-deb-does-so/4523 when you publish an update to the evince snap13:52
kenvandineoSoMoN, will do13:52
kenvandineoSoMoN, got a link to a cbr file i can test with?13:56
kenvandineso far all i've found point to 404 errors :/13:57
oSoMoNLaney, I could use your packaging expertise to detangle a dependency problem:14:10
oSoMoNthe server team had intended to demote tomcat8 from main, but libreoffice depends on it via libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb -> libhsqldb1.8.0-java -> libservlet3.1-java (source:tomcat8)14:10
oSoMoNlibreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb itself is a recommends of libreoffice-base-drivers, which is pulled in by libreoffice-base (which is not installed by default)14:10
oSoMoNI can't see an obvious way out14:11
LaneyoSoMoN: you have to break it somewhere14:26
LaneyI guess put base in universe or break the recommends from -drivers14:27
kenvandineif we don't ship base by default, should be fine to send it to universe14:29
Laneydunno, we might want to support it for some reason14:29
Laneylike we used to have evolution in main for some commercial support contracts even though that wasn't installed by default14:30
oSoMoNis there a looser relationship than recommends, that would allow a package in main to optionally pull in another one in universe?14:30
Laneyonly suggests which is more informational than anything else14:30
Laneywe could contact the STS guys and ask if there's any reason on their side to keep it in main14:31
Laneythat's what happened for evo14:31
oSoMoNLaney, thanks, I'll do that14:50
oSoMoNit looks like libreoffice-base doesn't have any rdepends in main, so technically that shouldn't be hard14:51
jbichabtw, libreoffice-base (& libreoffice-dev) is the only actual package that holds Java in main, see my comment on LP: #173548214:53
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1735482 in openjdk-9 (Ubuntu) "OpenJDK JRE should be ported to GTK3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173548214:53
oSoMoNjbicha, ack, thanks14:58
ackkhi, does anyone have any suggestion about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/+bug/1731417 ?14:59
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1731417 in hplip (Ubuntu) "Installed network printer removed automatically when turned off" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:59
GunnarHjHi Laney, I have refreshed the language stuff MP, so if those changes are what you want to go in, it ought to be simple to merge now.15:05
Laneyhi GunnarHj, thanks, I've got it under control15:08
GunnarHjjbicha: Did my email reply yesterday make sense?15:13
amanoTrevinjo, the regression in your nautilus crash fixes seems to be fixed now in master: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/15315:45
amanoTrevinho, the regression in your nautilus crash fixes seems to be fixed now in master: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/15315:47
Trevinhoamano: yeah, I noticed and backported to 3.26 right now15:47
Trevinhoamano: actually my fix wasn't causing the crash initially... Then I just did what upstream asked and that... lead to a crash xD15:48
TrevinhoAnyway 3.26 branch has all the changes now15:49
flexiondotorgwillcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/175273915:57
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1752739 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "PRIME Synchronization doesn't work with linux-kernel 4.15." [High,Fix released]15:57
willcookeflexiondotorg, ta16:01
flexiondotorgwillcooke: There is another bug, I'm husting for it now.16:02
willcookeflexiondotorg, that one is fixed it says, but you think it still breaks snaps?16:02
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1756226 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-driver-390 fails to start GUI" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:03
willcooketseliot, hey, have you seen that 2nd bug flexiondotorg linked to yet? ^16:17
jbichaGunnarHj: I understand your answer as "maybe, but it would be nice to have dh_translations handle it automatically"16:22
GunnarHjjbicha: Sounds like a fair summary.16:22
jbichawe can just wait for people to complain since it seems like a headache now to add extra rules for handling .desktop translation to all the meson-using packages in main16:23
GunnarHjjbicha: Yeah.. But I'd recommend to think through which packages include patches which creates Ubuntu specific .desktop files. Maybe there are not so many of those, though.16:25
jbichagnome-control-center & gnome-software16:25
GunnarHjjbicha: And gnome-session. But that and g-c-c we handled. What about gnome-software?16:26
jbichais "Ubuntu Software" correctly translated for you?16:27
GunnarHjjbicha: I'm not on bionic now, bug last I checked that string didn't exist in LP, which made me conclude that we have switched to call it just "Software", and which made me change the docs accordingly... Please don't say that I misunderstood.16:29
jbichaI guess you can add gnome-software to your to-do list ;) it's supposed to be "Ubuntu Software"16:30
jbichathere is another bug where it doesn't use the Ubuntu branding in the "Ubuntu on Wayland" session16:31
GunnarHjjbicha: Shit! Ok, I'll look at gnome-software. Which is the proper branch to suggest a change for?16:32
jbichathe string isn't translatable (it's a bit of a hack in debian/rules). Only the English version was changed to "Ubuntu Software", all other languages are using the upstream "Software" name which is wrong16:33
GunnarHjjbicha: What?? Can't we just decide that "Software" is right? :)16:33
jbichaif you're submitting an actual patch, it's https://gitlab.gnome.org/Ubuntu/gnome-software16:34
jbichabut packaging is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-software/ubuntu16:34
jbichaGunnarHj: its name is "Ubuntu Software" on Ubuntu sessions, that's not my decision :)16:34
GunnarHjjbicha: Right, I know who made the decision...16:35
jbichalol, ok16:35
alan_gtjaalton, do you know if Mesa will still have the obsolete, broken "Mir EGL" patch when bionic ships?16:42
tseliotwillcooke: looking16:45
tseliotwillcooke: yes, I spoke with the original reporter via email. I haven't tested the multiple nvidia GPUs test case yet16:47
tseliotflexiondotorg: are you using KMS for nvidia?16:47
flexiondotorgI had the nvidia-driver-390 packages installed. I didn't tweak the configuration, so it was using whatever is default. They are all currently purged, so I can test what you need.16:49
tseliotflexiondotorg: any chance you can get me the journalctl output after reproducing the problem?16:51
didrocksandyrock: before I leave, if you address Brian's comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/software-properties/add-canonical-livepatch/+merge/341427 (he seems to have commented), I'm happy to give another review tomorrow17:10
andyrockdidrocks: kk I'll do that later today17:10
didrocksthanks :)17:11
flexiondotorgtseliot: While I preapre the test, one other thing. the nvidia-390-drivers in the graphics/ppa currently is uninstallable.17:19
tjaaltonalan_g: will not17:19
tjaaltonalan_g: i've dropped them all from git17:22
tjaaltonjust waiting for a new upstream rc or release..17:22
alan_gtjaalton, thanks. (Our "auto detect" when building Mir is confused ATM because we have the patched headers, but it doesn't actually work.)17:24
alan_gWas just wondering if it will sort itself, or we need to be cleverer.17:26
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