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callmepkmorning01:28
jameshmorning callmepk 01:42
pieqMorning everyone!01:47
pieqjamesh, are you the jamesh quoted in this Raspberry Pi post? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27459501:47
pieqduflu, hey, I've seen your name in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/36301:48
* jamesh looks01:48
duflupieq, yeah I wrote a fix and it was closed because other people already had... and then nobody's fix landed :/01:49
pieqduflu, do you know what's the status for this? It's really super annoying. I have a 4k screen, I created 2 desktop files to run Firefox with different profiles, but when I search "Firefox", I get "Firefo… Firefo…"01:49
pieqFFS!01:49
jameshpieq: no.01:49
pieqjamesh, OK :) When I saw "JAMESH", it rang a bell :)01:49
duflupieq, please subscribe to bug 968213 for that01:50
ubot5bug 968213 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Too many icons in Gnome Shell Activities Overview require ellipses" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96821301:50
dufluYeah 6 digits 01:50
pieqduflu, thanks01:50
pieqdamn...01:50
dufluAlso good morning callmepk, jamesh, pieq 01:50
pieqI remember reading somewhere (probably OMG!Ubuntu) that this issue would finally be fixed with 3.36.... and... nope.01:50
pieqduflu, g'day!01:50
dufluYeah people really dropped the ball. I keep meaning to remind them but then more important issues come up instead01:51
jameshpieq: that appears to be someone else with the title "Principal Software Engineer at Raspberry Pi (Trading) Ltd."01:52
pieqduflu, I recently got a 4k screen, and I ran into a lot of small yet annoying problems01:54
pieq"First World problems", I guess, but still, it's annoying.01:54
sarnoldpieq: after many months of squinting at terribly tiny things in firefox for months, I recently found that there's a setting in the View | Zoom menu for "zoom text only", and things are WAY BETTER after I unchecked that01:57
sarnoldpieq: hit alt v, z, then there it is for you to toggle :)01:57
pieqsarnold, I just set the default zoom to 133% in the preferences01:57
sarnoldopoh there's a default zoom?01:58
pieqsarnold, cause I was finding myself Ctrl+Scroll Up all the time01:58
pieqeven on 1080p screen01:58
pieqsarnold, yes, found that out after I got my 4k screen :D01:58
sarnoldpieq: <3 thanks :D01:58
pieqI had the hope that fractional scaling would work well on Wayland, but it doesn't work well (at least with amdgpu). Yet 200% is really too big01:59
duflupieq, try Gnome Tweaks > Fonts > Scaling Factor02:00
pieqso I settled with 100%, then tweaking GNOME (using a big cursor from the Accessibility options, then pushing Font Scale Factor to 1.4 in GNOME Tweaks)02:00
pieqduflu, hehe :)02:00
pieqYes, it works well, but it's not ideal02:00
duflupieq, I'm going to jump in the deep end and try to switch to 4K this year02:00
dufluHopefully that will motivate me to fix things quickly02:01
pieqduflu, haha, that's the thing: we should offer the HW that we have issues with to Ubuntu developers in the hope that these problem annoy them enough to get them to be fixed :D02:02
callmepkhi duflu jamesh pieq 02:02
pieqhi callmepk !02:03
pieq早安! :)02:03
callmepkpieq 早晨!;)02:06
pieqcallmepk, ha! 我不會寫香港的繁體中文! :D02:09
callmepkpieq Actually Hong Kong have two sets of writing system: Written Cantonese and Written Chinese so actually it's the same ;)02:13
pieqcallmepk, you mean Cantonese Vs. Mandarin? When I go to HK, I can recognize if something is written in Cantonese cause I don't understand anything :D02:18
pieq(whereas in Mandarin I still don't understand much, but more than written Cantonese :D)02:18
callmepkpieq No, hong kong also use Traditional Chinese, but there is two written form: one is Madarin that is the official one and nearly same as Taiwan; the other is Cantonese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_Cantonese Wiki for reference02:24
pieqcallmepk, oh, thanks, I wasn't aware about this!02:26
callmepkyou are welcome02:29
jibelmorning world04:38
dufluHi jibel 05:04
jibelHello duflu 05:05
callmepkhi jibel 06:06
didrocksgood morning06:14
seb128goood morning desktopers06:16
callmepkgood morning didrocks seb128 06:16
seb128hey callmepk, how are you?06:16
callmepkI am good, and you seb128 ?06:17
seb128I'm a bit tired today but fine otherwise, coffee should help there :)06:17
didrockssalut seb128, bon retour :)06:20
didrockshey callmepk 06:20
seb128lut didrocks, merci!06:21
seb128Trevinho, jamesh, kenvandine, marcustomlinson, jibel, robert_ancell, weekly summary reminder06:23
jibelsalut seb128 06:26
dufluHi didrocks and seb128 06:30
didrockshey duflu 06:31
marcustomlinsonmorning desktoppers06:55
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:18
didrockshey oSoMoN 07:18
oSoMoNsalut didrocks 07:18
dufluHi marcustomlinson and oSoMoN 07:31
oSoMoNhey duflu 07:44
oSoMoNmorning marcustomlinson 07:45
marcustomlinsonhey oSoMoN07:46
Laneysup08:02
dufluHi Laney08:24
didrockshey hey Laney 08:28
marcustomlinsonhey hey hey Laney08:29
Laney|o/ duflu didrocks marcustomlinson 08:30
Laneythat's me waving distantly08:30
duflu   \o\08:30
duflu   /🙃/08:31
oSoMoNhey Laney 08:33
Laney👋 oSoMoN 08:37
ricotzhello desktopers!08:40
dufluHi ricotz 08:47
Laney👏 ricotz 09:00
oSoMoNhey ricotz 09:38
ricotzhey duflu Laney oSoMoN 09:52
ricotzoSoMoN, hi, in case you have some changes for firefox to merge back, please do so09:53
oSoMoNricotz, done (the only branch that had relevant changes was the groovy one)11:06
ricotzoSoMoN, why doesn't this apply to the other series?11:07
oSoMoNricotz, because it's python3-specific11:07
ricotzI am not a fan of diverging the branches if it can be avoided11:08
oSoMoNI mean, I suppose applying it to the other series wouldn't hurt, I haven't tested tbh11:08
oSoMoNand I've been using the script in the groovy branch to create tarballs lately11:08
oSoMoNricotz, you're right, I'll test that the change doesn't have unexpected side effects with python2, and if it doesn't I'll apply it to the other series11:09
ricotzI see, you were claiming it being a regression in the changelog, so this really should apply everywhere11:09
ricotzI have ran it in groovy-only too :(11:10
ricotzoSoMoN, jfyi, there will be fun with s390x and icu again11:13
oSoMoN:/11:13
ricotzdo you know anyone running the current build on s390x?11:14
ricotzafaict it is likely to be broken anyway11:14
ricotzhttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126483611:15
ubot5Mozilla bug 1264836 in General "bigendian support for ICU" [Normal,New]11:15
oSoMoNricotz, s390x has been broken for as long as I can remember anyway, it's building but not actually starting11:25
ricotzcorrect11:26
xnoxricotz:  oSoMoN: i can help provide the big endian datafiles, which firefox then can just commit11:40
xnoxricotz:  oSoMoN: or they should stop building external data files, and just compile them into the shared library. That way they just dlopen built-in libicudata without external dat file, and it will always be in the correct indianness11:41
xnoxricotz:  oSoMoN: it's not like it is common to ship firefox builds for more than one architecture and share the file on end-users disk.11:41
oSoMoNxnox, I'm not familiar with that bug , but I see that there's a reference to an ICU bug: "Not enough.  We don't put big endian's dat file into our tree because it is no way to create it on little endian environment.  If http://bugs.icu-project.org/trac/ticket/11046 is fixed, we can generate it and include it."11:50
oSoMoNunfortunately that link is dead, so I don't know whether that ICU bug was fixed11:50
xnoxhttps://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/ICU-1104611:54
xnoxi think is the new thing11:54
xnoxor not11:54
hellsworthgood morning desktopers13:26
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth 13:27
hellsworthhi oSoMoN 13:28
WimpressGood afternoon desktoppers o/13:31
seb128hey :)13:31
kenvandinehey13:31
WimpressShall I run this one or does kenvandine want to? :-)13:31
* Wimpress emerges from all things Ubuntu Core and appliances13:32
didrockshey Wimpress 13:32
kenvandineWimpress: you can have a turn :)13:32
WimpressOK13:32
oSoMoNhey Wimpress 13:32
Wimpress#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-0213:32
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Jun  2 13:32:43 2020 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.13:32
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WimpressRoll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk13:32
hellswortho/13:33
kenvandineo/13:33
Trevinhoo/13:33
oSoMoNo/13:33
marcustomlinsono/13:33
seb128o/13:33
WimpressHi all o/13:34
WimpressWe'll cover LTS' first.13:34
Wimpress#topic rls-ff-bugs13:34
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:34
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/188136413:35
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1881364 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "broken kerning" [Undecided,New]13:35
seb128it's a KDE issue with manually installed packages, I don't think our team should consider that as a rls target13:35
seb128I vote -113:35
WimpressYeah, Lubuntu.13:36
hellsworthi agree too. it's only Lubuntu13:36
hellsworthshould i not but Lubuntu/Kubuntu/etc in incoming tags?13:36
hellsworthi wasn't sure so i did it anyways13:36
WimpressI've dropped RLS13:36
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/186974713:37
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1869747 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Recent changes have caused Xorg to fail to start. Possibly nvidia driver related." [Undecided,Incomplete]13:37
seb128depending if you consider there is a reason our team should be concerned by the issue13:37
seb128we can always discuss it13:37
hellsworthhmm ok seb128 thanks13:37
seb128Wimpress, that one is incomplete, I would just wontfix for now unless it proove to be a real issue and got the informations requested13:38
WimpressYep.13:38
WimpressDone.13:39
WimpressAnd updated.13:39
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/187252713:39
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1872527 in spice-vdagent (Ubuntu Focal) "Clipboard doesn't work 100% of the time in Ubuntu 20.04 (in KVM guests)" [Undecided,Incomplete]13:39
seb128incomplete as well and I think the server team is on it13:40
WimpressWe see this because we seed the spice agent in the desktop image, right?13:40
didrocksyes13:40
Laneyphew13:40
WimpressYep, I'll just leave that one for now.13:41
Trevinhoso it seems, I wouldn't shocked if mutter has something to do either too13:41
Trevinhobut let's wait13:41
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:42
seb128that was reported before .2 landed which fixes some clipboard issues I think?13:42
seb128would be worth testing with the current versions13:42
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/186430713:42
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1864307 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Focal) "Many apps have no icon in Software on Focal" [High,Triaged]13:42
seb128one for kenvandine13:43
Wimpresskenvandine: You seem to be on that.13:43
kenvandineyup13:44
WimpressI've assigned you to the gnome-software entries.13:44
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/mutter/+bug/187707513:44
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1877075 in mutter (Ubuntu Groovy) "gnome-shell crashed at xcb_io.c:260: poll_for_event: Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost'' failed" [High,In progress]13:44
WimpressDaniel seem to be on that.13:44
seb128right13:44
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/187606513:45
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1876065 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Groovy) "After unplug headphones and plug them again no sound can be heard" [High,Fix committed]13:45
WimpressFix is in proposed.13:46
seb128right13:46
WimpressShould we assign this to Kai13:46
WimpressFor focal.13:46
seb128sure13:46
seb128I usually don't bother reviewing the "fix commited' ones13:46
seb128in the meeting I mean13:46
seb128s/I/we13:47
WimpressOK13:47
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/187409113:47
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1874091 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Focal) "ubuntu-release-upgrader should use ubuntu-drivers and migrate people from nvidia-dkms to l-r-m" [High,Triaged]13:47
seb128the focal line should probably be assigned to Alberto and that's it from our side13:48
WimpressShould that be owned by FOundations?13:48
WimpressDone.13:48
seb128we own ubuntu-drivers-common13:48
seb128so that's for us to triage13:49
seb128the u-r-u part is for foundations13:49
WimpressYep13:49
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/188113713:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1881137 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-440-server (Ubuntu Focal) "Introduce the new NVIDIA 418-server and 440-server series, and update the current NVIDIA drivers" [High,In progress]13:49
WimpressLooks like we need to assign someone for common-drivers in the above?13:50
seb128tseliot I guess?13:50
seb128alo why is that component line washed out?13:50
WimpressBecause "undedcided"?13:51
oSoMoNAlberto marked the bug as not affecting ubuntu-drivers-common today13:51
LaneyI think that means it got deleted13:51
WimpressYep, just saw that.13:51
oSoMoNs/today/yesterday/13:52
oSoMoN(I seem to be living in the past)13:52
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/187947513:52
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1879475 in evince (Ubuntu Focal) "SRU the current 3.36.1 stable update" [Undecided,Incomplete]13:52
seb128I'm dealing with that one13:52
WimpressOK13:52
WimpressJust saw.13:52
seb128it's a SRU that was in the queue and got reviewed while I was off13:53
seb128I need to sort it out, it's on my todo for today13:53
WimpressOK.13:53
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/187566513:53
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1875665 in rtkit (Ubuntu) "rtkit-daemon[*]: Failed to make ourselves RT: Operation not permitted after upgrade to 20.04" [High,Confirmed]13:53
seb128that's being fixed in the kernel side13:53
WimpressLooks like Seth is on that.13:53
seb128the rtkit line can probably be deleted13:53
seb128or marked invalid13:54
WimpressEverything else that is Unassigned appears to be Fix commited for focal.13:55
seb128great :)13:55
Wimpress#topic rls-bb-bugs13:55
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:55
WimpressAll clear.13:55
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:56
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/188083213:56
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1880832 in wslu (Ubuntu Eoan) "[SRU] backport wslu 2.3.6-0ubuntu1 to all current supported releases" [Undecided,New]13:56
WimpressThat looks like one for Patrick.13:56
seb128+113:56
WimpressDone13:57
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/188109413:57
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1881094 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Bionic) "Support kernel 5.4 Intel sound driver on bionic" [Undecided,New]13:57
Wimpresspaulseaudio is now marked invalid.13:58
WimpressI think that concludes Bionic.13:59
Wimpress#topic rls-gg-bugs13:59
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:59
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/188169913:59
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1881699 in linux (Ubuntu) "No analog output" [High,Confirmed]13:59

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