[01:49] <Trevinho> jbicha: I can't now, but feel free. I am also still wondering if being recommended would be enough for being picked for the other packages though 
[03:23] <callmepk> good morning
[03:27] <jbicha> Trevinho: I believe it needs those depends for the scour feature to work automatically. The builders do not install recommends by default. Could you push your changes to the git branch when you can?
[05:11] <duflu> Hi callmepk and jbicha 
[05:11]  * duflu assumes Trevinho has finally gone to bed
[05:14] <callmepk> hi duflu 
[06:31] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:37] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN 
[06:38] <callmepk> hi oSoMoN 
[06:44] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, callmepk 
[07:07] <didrocks> good morning
[07:12] <callmepk> hi didrocks
[07:12] <didrocks> hey callmepk 
[07:13] <duflu> Hi didrocks 
[07:16] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[07:21] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:24] <duflu> Morning seb128 
[07:24] <didrocks> salut seb128 
[07:37] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, seb128 
[07:38] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN 
[08:02] <seb128> hey duflu, lut oSoMoN and didrocks, how are you?
[08:06] <jibel> Good morning all
[08:07] <didrocks> ça va, et toi seb128 ?
[08:07] <didrocks> salut jibel 
[08:07] <jibel> salut didrocks 
[08:09] <duflu> seb128, going well. You?
[08:13] <oSoMoN> seb128, feeling slightly better than yesterday, perhaps I won't fall to that cold after all
[08:19] <seb128> oSoMoN, great!
[08:19] <seb128> lut jibel 
[08:19] <seb128> didrocks, ca va :)
[08:19] <seb128> duflu, I had a proper uninterrupted night of sleep which is an improvement ;-)
[08:24] <oSoMoN> \o/
[08:52] <jibel> salut seb128 
[08:52] <seb128> jamesh, hey, do you know if orca not working with snaps is known?  I was checking bug #1948954 but it seems other snaps have the same issue
[08:52] <ubottu> Bug 1948954 in firefox (Ubuntu) "snap packaged version of Firefox is inaccessible with Orca screen reader." [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948954
[08:59] <jamesh> seb128: yeah. This is down to a change in at-spi2 changing the a11y D-Bus address
[08:59] <seb128> sounds like flatpak fixed in with https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/commit/de4b6840
[08:59] <ubottu> Commit de4b684 in flatpak/flatpak "Initial work on accessiblity support"
[09:00] <seb128> jamesh, is there a bug report or discussion about that ?
[09:02] <jamesh> I don't think we have a bug about it. The change that broke things is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/at-spi2-core/-/merge_requests/51, which says it was designed to intentionally block access to confined apps
[09:02] <ubottu> Merge 51 in GNOME/at-spi2-core "Use unix sockets instead of abstract sockets" [Merged]
[09:05] <jamesh> It's non-trivial to fix this for snaps, since (a) it's using a random file name not unique to at-spi, and (b) the path is under /tmp, which is inaccessible to snaps
=== cpaelzer_ is now known as cpaelzer
[09:10] <jamesh> This change is a lot more recent than that Flatpak change
[09:11] <seb128> jamesh, right, the commit I was refearing to was to give dbus access to atspi
[09:12] <seb128> but they have a dbus proxy for a11y  and they use AT_SPI_BUS_ADDRESS
[09:12] <jamesh> seb128: the  desktop-legacy snapd interface does give access to at-spi's dbus-daemon with the old socket address
[09:12] <seb128> jamesh, I think that's something we need to find a way to address this cycle, could you maybe start a post on the snapcraft forum?
[09:13] <jamesh> sure.
[09:13] <seb128> thanks
[09:13] <seb128> so basically it's an issue on recent distro series only right?
[09:13] <jamesh> yes
[09:13] <seb128> well, that's something
[09:13] <seb128> but we need to fix it for the LTS
[09:14] <seb128> I will add a card on the backlog once you open the forum post
[09:14] <jamesh> I think the solution is going to require some changes on the at-spi side too. I don't think a snapd only solution is going to be possible
[09:15] <seb128> we could revert the at-spi change to lower the issue for Ubuntu users, but that's not a portable solution
[09:15] <oSoMoN> thanks seb128 and jamesh, I'll keep an eye on it and happy to help with implementation/testing
[09:18] <seb128> jamesh, what do you think would be needed on the at-spi side? do you think moving it out from /tmp to another location, maybe /run would be enough?
[09:18] <seb128> if it was a subdir there we could grant access to that one for snaps right?
[09:19] <jamesh> seb128: putting it in XDG_RUNTIME_DIR (maybe even with a fixed path) would be easy to support
[09:19] <jamesh> at the moment, the socket is just named like /tmp/dbus-*
[09:20] <seb128> that sounds like it would be a reasonable change to propose upstream right?
[09:20] <jamesh> yes
[09:21] <didrocks> seb128: mind subscribing desktop-packages to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wsl-setup?
[09:21] <seb128> jamesh, do you want to start that discussion with upstream maybe? the sooner the better probably. If you are busy I'm happy to put that on my backlog
[09:22] <seb128> didrocks, subscribed
[09:22] <jamesh> seb128: I'll file a bug
[09:22] <didrocks> seb128: thanks!
[09:22] <seb128> jamesh, thanks!
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, np! :)
[09:50] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125517 (build) stage: build, status: created
[09:50] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125516 (extract-source) stage: provisioning, status: created
[09:50] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125518 (build i386) stage: build, status: created
[09:50] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125520 (test-build-any) stage: test, status: created
[09:50] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125519 (build source) stage: build, status: created
[09:50] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125521 (test-build-all) stage: test, status: created
[09:50] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125522 (test-crossbuild-arm64) stage: test, status: created
[09:50] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125523 (reprotest) stage: test, status: created
[09:50] <KGB-1> gnome-shell-extension-caffeine pipeline Simon McVittie 307947 * pending (build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created; extract-source: pending)
[09:51] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125524 (lintian) stage: test, status: created
[09:51] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125525 (autopkgtest) stage: test, status: created
[09:51] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125526 (blhc) stage: test, status: created
[09:51] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125527 (piuparts) stage: test, status: created
[09:51] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125516 (extract-source) stage: provisioning, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:51] <KGB-1> gnome-shell-extension-caffeine pipeline Simon McVittie 307947 * running (extract-source: running; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[09:51] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125528 (extract-source) stage: provisioning, status: created
[09:52] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125529 (build) stage: build, status: created
[09:52] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125530 (build i386) stage: build, status: created
[09:52] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125531 (build source) stage: build, status: created
[09:52] <KGB-1> gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus pipeline Simon McVittie 307948 * pending (build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created; extract-source: pending; build: created)
[09:52] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125532 (test-build-any) stage: test, status: created
[09:52] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125534 (test-crossbuild-arm64) stage: test, status: created
[09:52] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125533 (test-build-all) stage: test, status: created
[09:52] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125535 (reprotest) stage: test, status: created
[09:53] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125536 (lintian) stage: test, status: created
[09:53] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125537 (autopkgtest) stage: test, status: created
[09:53] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125538 (blhc) stage: test, status: created
[09:53] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125539 (piuparts) stage: test, status: created
[09:53] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125528 (extract-source) stage: provisioning, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:53] <KGB-1> gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus pipeline Simon McVittie 307948 * running (extract-source: running; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created; build: created)
[09:53] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125516 (extract-source) stage: provisioning, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 33 seconds
[09:53] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125517 (build) stage: build, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:54] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125518 (build i386) stage: build, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:54] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125519 (build source) stage: build, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:54] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125528 (extract-source) stage: provisioning, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 41 seconds
[09:54] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125529 (build) stage: build, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:54] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125530 (build i386) stage: build, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:54] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125531 (build source) stage: build, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:54] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125518 (build i386) stage: build, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 22 seconds
[09:54] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125519 (build source) stage: build, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 25 seconds
[09:55] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125517 (build) stage: build, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 31 seconds
[09:55] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125520 (test-build-any) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:55] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125521 (test-build-all) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:55] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125522 (test-crossbuild-arm64) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:55] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125523 (reprotest) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:55] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125524 (lintian) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:55] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125531 (build source) stage: build, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 30 seconds
[09:55] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125529 (build) stage: build, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 30 seconds
[09:56] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125535 (reprotest) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:56] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125530 (build i386) stage: build, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 35 seconds
[09:56] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125520 (test-build-any) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 15 seconds
[09:56] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125532 (test-build-any) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:56] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125533 (test-build-all) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:56] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125522 (test-crossbuild-arm64) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 20 seconds
[09:56] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125525 (autopkgtest) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:56] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125534 (test-crossbuild-arm64) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:57] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125526 (blhc) stage: test, status: running. Duration: 2 seconds
[09:57] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125536 (lintian) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:57] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125527 (piuparts) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:57] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125523 (reprotest) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 19 seconds
[09:57] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125537 (autopkgtest) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:57] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125521 (test-build-all) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 28 seconds
[09:57] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125532 (test-build-any) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 14 seconds
[09:57] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125538 (blhc) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:58] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125539 (piuparts) stage: test, status: running. Duration: no time
[09:58] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125524 (lintian) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 46 seconds
[09:58] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125534 (test-crossbuild-arm64) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 16 seconds
[09:58] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125526 (blhc) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 16 seconds
[09:58] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125536 (lintian) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 45 seconds
[09:58] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125535 (reprotest) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 24 seconds
[09:59] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125538 (blhc) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 1 minute and 13 seconds
[09:59] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125533 (test-build-all) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 28 seconds
[09:59] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-caffeine builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125525 (autopkgtest) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 3 minutes and 11 seconds
[10:00] <KGB-1> GNOME / shell-extensions / gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus builds Simon McVittie * Build #2125537 (autopkgtest) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 3 minutes and 29 seconds