| quackgyver | I'm installing Ubuntu on a fresh server and the installer is giving me a popup that reads "Daemons using outdated libraries" and the text "Which services should be restarted?" | 00:32 |
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| quackgyver | Can someone explain what this is | 00:32 |
| quackgyver | and what Ubuntu is asking me to do here | 00:32 |
| sarnold | quackgyver: that's probably worth a bug report | 00:41 |
| sarnold | quackgyver: somewhere along the way a tool was added that would let you know if any of your services are using libraries that have been upgraded | 00:42 |
| sarnold | quackgyver: so that you would know that you needed to restart those services in order to get security fixes or bug fixes | 00:42 |
| sarnold | quackgyver: it feels a little silly for it to happen during installation though, there's probably hundreds of updates to install, and you're probably going to reboot as soon as it's done.. | 00:42 |
| quackgyver | Alright, thanks for the explanation. | 01:03 |
| quackgyver | Does this mean I can ignore it? | 01:03 |
| sarnold | quackgyver: yes; ignoring it is basically the behaviour before it was introduced :) though I suggest considering restarting whatever services it suggests whenever it is convenient | 01:09 |
| oops | i append a rule to iptables , how to save it and take it effect immediately | 01:13 |
| sarnold | oops: I think it takes effect as soon as you execute the command | 01:25 |
| sarnold | oops: saving it is something else, there's an iptables restore tool, it might even be default, but I don't know that very well | 01:25 |
| oops | sarnold: i can't find that rule with "iptables -L -v" | 01:42 |
| sarnold | oops: which table did you add the rule to? -L defaults to the filter table | 01:44 |
| oops | sarnold: i didn't denote the table obviously , i guess it ought to filter table, i only hope to open 1194 port | 01:46 |
| sarnold | oops: what command did you run? what's the output from the iptables -L -v? how are you testing that the port 1194 isn't open? | 01:47 |
| oops | sarnold: then i type command " iptables -A input --dport 1194 -j Accept" | 01:47 |
| sarnold | does 'Accept' work? I thought it was 'ACCEPT' | 01:47 |
| oops | sarnold: i test using "ss -ltun|grep 1194" , and the port isn't open,, yes, the command hasn't error , only i type on here for conveniently | 01:48 |
| sarnold | oops: ss -ltun will just show you is a process has that port open already; it doesn't know anything about firewall status | 01:49 |
| sarnold | s/is/if/ | 01:49 |
| sarnold | 'sudo ss -ltunp' may show what I mean.. everything listed there is 'owned' by a specific program that has opened a socket there | 01:50 |
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| oops | sarnoid: the result is the same , and my os information is " 5.4.0-77-generic #86-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 17 02:35:03 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 01:53 |
| oops | " | 01:53 |
| sarnold | oops: hmm, you should see a list of which processes own the sockets in the right-most column | 01:54 |
| oops | sarnold: i did , it's the new vps host, and the information is only several rows | 01:56 |
| sarnold | oops: okay, good ;) | 01:57 |
| sarnold | oops: what program do you expect to be using 1194? | 01:58 |
| oops | sarnold: i am configuring openvpn , the 1194 are the default port number | 01:59 |
| sarnold | oops: try starting it :) then check again | 01:59 |
| oops | sarnold: i can open it with UFW, but the ufw will destroy the ssh connection, what's more i am not familiar with iptables | 02:00 |
| sarnold | oops: it might already be open | 02:00 |
| sarnold | oops: ss can't tell you if it is open or not | 02:00 |
| sarnold | oops: ss tells you if a program is using it | 02:01 |
| oops | sarnold: but the problem how to save iptables rule and take it effect at once is still pending | 02:01 |
| BUSY | hello, when i open settings it instantly closes - where can i find a log to see what is happening? | 02:03 |
| sarnold | oops: heh, I can't find any documentation on the wiki or the server guide that says how to use iptables without ufw *and* without /etc/network/interfaces. heh. :( | 02:09 |
| Guest38 | HEy | 03:02 |
| Guest38 | Im using Lubuntu 20.04 | 03:02 |
| Guest38 | Is 21.04 (Hirsute Hippo) substantially cooler? | 03:02 |
| Bashing-om | Guest38: Coolness is in the eye of the beholder - make up a live USB and see what "you" think :D | 03:04 |
| Guest38 | true | 03:04 |
| anonymous | Hello everyone | 03:09 |
| kirk781 | Hello | 03:10 |
| anonymous | Are we able to speak about anything in this chat. | 03:11 |
| kirk781 | I assume so | 03:11 |
| anonymous | Has anyone here ever experienced groupthink abuse dynamics? | 03:11 |
| anonymous | Anyone here know how to get in touch with Edward Snowden? | 03:17 |
| kongzilla | anonymous: twitter? | 03:18 |
| anonymous | kongzilla, He have a channel? | 03:18 |
| guiverc | Please stay on-topic; this is a Ubuntu Support room | 03:18 |
| anonymous | How do I directly reply to someone? | 03:19 |
| kongzilla | 👍 | 03:19 |
| guiverc | If you want to talk off-topic, please use #ubuntu-offtopic | 03:20 |
| anonymous | I would like to know how to talk directly with someone? How do I select a name to reply to? | 03:20 |
| anonymous | not privately - but where their name is highlighted | 03:20 |
| guiverc | just mention their name in your post, but please stay on-topic | 03:21 |
| anonymous | quiverc - It is not my intention to break rules lolz. I am new here and barely know how to use this | 03:21 |
| kongzilla | anonymous: start with #libera if you don't yet know how to use irc | 03:22 |
| anonymous | So this is strictly Ubuntu related chat? | 03:22 |
| kongzilla | yes | 03:22 |
| anonymous | Does Ubuntu include all Ubuntu Distros? | 03:22 |
| guiverc | Ubuntu Support chat only (there are many Ubuntu rooms; only official flavors though) | 03:22 |
| anonymous | so like - for instance - if I wanted to chat about Qubes - is that considered a Ubuntu distro? | 03:23 |
| guiverc | Only Ubuntu flavors - ie. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours | 03:23 |
| anonymous | I am not familiar with all the particulars surrounding linux. What is a flavour? | 03:24 |
| guiverc | Ubuntu flavors are all Ubuntu, but have a different desktop on top; eg. Lubuntu is standard Ubuntu with the LXQt desktop replacing GNOME (used by Ubuntu Desktop), Xubuntu uses the XFCE ... ie. only use Ubuntu repository packages downloaded from ubuntu etc | 03:25 |
| anonymous | Thank you QuiverC - that answers my question | 03:25 |
| anonymous | Is it possible to install an infinite amount of Linux Distros onto the same solid state drive? | 03:28 |
| anonymous | (considering storage space, of course)? | 03:28 |
| kongzilla | storage space is finite, so no, not infinite | 03:29 |
| guiverc | infinite no (you'll run out of space eventually; and partition-tables have limits), but limits are rarely reached | 03:29 |
| anonymous | thakn you | 03:30 |
| anonymous | thank you kongzilla and quiverc | 03:30 |
| kongzilla | you can do a lot with docker or qemu | 03:30 |
| anonymous | Does that expand the limitations surrounding partitions? | 03:30 |
| anonymous | I've got a triboot now - seems to work fine. I have been told that if I use UEFI / GPT - then I can get more | 03:31 |
| kongzilla | MBR tables only support up to 4 primary partitions | 03:32 |
| anonymous | Thank you Kongzilla - So that would mean 4 Operating systems, or/ | 03:32 |
| kongzilla | I think it all comes down to what you're trying to accomplish | 03:33 |
| guiverc | I had 11 or 13 installed on a pentium 4 test box (using only MBR); you can use an extended partition on MBR which can then be subdivided into more... It's 4 primary partitions (not 4 in total) | 03:33 |
| anonymous | I'd love to install Mint, Kodachi, Qubes, BlackArch, Windows 10, and a few others | 03:33 |
| anonymous | WOW! | 03:34 |
| anonymous | How large a drive did you use for that? | 03:34 |
| guiverc | anonymous, no OS you just mentioned are on-topic here | 03:34 |
| anonymous | quiverc - sorry. I am asking in regards to limitations around Linux Operating systems - sorry if that breaches rules | 03:34 |
| guiverc | I can't recall; probably 160gb spinning rust (it was a pentium 4 x86 so old; last used for testing 18.04.5 in sept-2020) | 03:35 |
| anonymous | LOL | 03:35 |
| anonymous | I love "spinning rust | 03:35 |
| kongzilla | nice | 03:35 |
| anonymous | When was Ubuntu first invented? | 03:35 |
| * guiverc it also had more than a single drive | 03:35 | |
| G34 | Hi, looking on how to partition my new install | 03:36 |
| anonymous | G34 - we were just talking about partitions :) | 03:36 |
| G34 | I thought 500mg fir boot/efi | 03:36 |
| anonymous | 100MB usually | 03:36 |
| kongzilla | anonymous: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation | 03:37 |
| G34 | 20gb root, swap as ram and rest home | 03:37 |
| anonymous | Thank you Kongzilla - I appreciate that | 03:37 |
| kongzilla | use ubuntu as a host machine and all those others as guests | 03:37 |
| kongzilla | then you are officially *on topic* ;) | 03:37 |
| anonymous | haha k | 03:37 |
| anonymous | Hey Kong - please check your other messsages | 03:37 |
| guiverc | G34, the partition scheme is dependant on how you'll use it ; simple is usually best; /boot and /boot/efi are not the same thing usually | 03:38 |
| anonymous | I didn't realize Ubuntu / Linux could use ram as swap! | 03:38 |
| kongzilla | lol... what? | 03:38 |
| anonymous | I always thought it had to be encrypted partitions on drive itself. | 03:38 |
| G34 | Guiverc i need boot efi for my notherboard | 03:38 |
| kongzilla | you're putting swap in ram? like a swap file in tmpfs? why? | 03:39 |
| G34 | So i then don't need onky boot? | 03:39 |
| anonymous | More secure? | 03:39 |
| guiverc | G34, I probably misread what you meant, I took it as boot/efi (boot or efi) and not /boot/efi/ (ie. uEFI partition) | 03:39 |
| guiverc | Sorry | 03:39 |
| G34 | On phone so cant type so pre ise | 03:40 |
| kongzilla | anonymous: why not just run without swap? | 03:40 |
| G34 | Yeah, i meant this way guiverc | 03:40 |
| G34 | Swap | 03:41 |
| anonymous | kongzilla, I have tried to install Linux Distros without a swap partition - but it never works. Maybe I don't install correctly? Is it merely a matter of NOT creating a swap file? I still encrypt the swap anyways | 03:41 |
| G34 | Darn all slashes went away | 03:41 |
| guiverc | G34, /boot/efi is required for uEFI boxes yep. you can then use / for rest; server users tend to want specific partition schemes; for desktop there is little to be gained usually | 03:41 |
| kongzilla | swap isn't required | 03:41 |
| anonymous | Interesting... | 03:42 |
| anonymous | I had no idea! | 03:42 |
| anonymous | So it is the / partition that you want to (generally) make the largest then? | 03:42 |
| G34 | Guiverc even when upgrading? How do you keep files intact if everything is on / | 03:42 |
| anonymous | Home can be smaller for storing files ? | 03:42 |
| G34 | Plus, can i use askubuntu for kubuntu questions? | 03:43 |
| guiverc | G34, Ubuntu installers allow you to install over where only system directories are erased (selected if you don't format) so seperated /home isn't required - but I often still have it (don't usually if encryption is used to keep it simple) | 03:43 |
| kongzilla | anonymous: /home is generally the largest, depending on your needs | 03:43 |
| anonymous | Wow you are all teaching me so much | 03:43 |
| anonymous | So you don't need two separate partitions (home and /)? | 03:44 |
| anonymous | You can merge them into one? | 03:44 |
| G34 | Oh great guiverc | 03:44 |
| G34 | Thanks! | 03:44 |
| kongzilla | it is not required to have any more than one partition | 03:45 |
| kongzilla | that said, you should have a backup plan | 03:45 |
| anonymous | Unreal ... Next time I need advice - I will come straight to this chat to ask the pros lol | 03:45 |
| anonymous | Okay - so if I wanted to create a secure Ubuntu install, what would you recommend I do first and foremost? Like stage 1? | 03:46 |
| anonymous | As in - for anonymous web browsing / etc | 03:47 |
| kongzilla | anonymous: that all depends on your needs, which you should identify | 03:49 |
| anonymous | kongzilla, Thank you | 03:50 |
| anonymous | What does /query mean? | 03:50 |
| anonymous | In Ubuntu? | 03:50 |
| Bashing-om | anonymous: "/query" has no defined meaning in ubuntu - in a irc client however that starts a private conversation with a taged user. | 03:52 |
| anonymous | Thank you Bashing - so if I type, "/query Bashing-om" would it then be sent to you only? | 03:53 |
| Bashing-om | anonymous: will open a new window for only you and I to converse in, yes. | 03:54 |
| anonymous | I'll try | 03:54 |
| Bashing-om | anonymous: k | 03:54 |
| anonymous | Yay it worked! | 03:54 |
| anonymous | Thank you - you are all teaching me so much haha | 03:56 |
| kongzilla | well I guess you'll have to pay it forward someday | 03:58 |
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| SuperLag | How do you find out why a package is being held back from upgrade? | 05:30 |
| SuperLag | ah, figured it out | 05:38 |
| Bashing-om | !yay | SuperLag | 05:42 |
| ubottu | SuperLag: Glad you made it! :-) | 05:42 |
| tsujp | So I've installed telegraf but it says there is no such plugin `prometheus`.. do I need to manually install plugins? I cannot find any mention of that in the docs | 06:45 |
| nikolam | What's the reccomendation OS on a long term for 32-bit machine, for a small server? I have one Asus EeePC 701, pu 2GB RAM in it, 4GB flash, have 32GB SSD, 3USB 2.0 ports, 100Mbit LAN (will put Gigabit LAN on USB) as well as at least 2 additional higher capacity drives on 2 USB ports. What would be OS that I can count of being supported for small server use (mail server etc.) , since everyone is moving away form 32-bit..? | 06:53 |
| nikolam | 32GB SD sorry | 06:53 |
| nikolam | Used to have previously installed Ubuntu server minimal, were harder to install but it worked, now I dunno.. | 06:54 |
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| alkisg | nikolam: 32bit? Ubuntu no longer supports these, so you'd need Debian | 07:37 |
| nikolam | alkisg, also opened to other OSes, but yes, Debian acknowledged. | 07:53 |
| TJ- | Having a problem with wifi client failing to connect to AP. AP is on channl 153 (5765MHz). Client's "iwlist scan" can see the AP. NetworkManager also sees the SSID. WPA2-PSK set correctly. On asking NM to connect to the AP the background scan is started but fails with 'ssid-not-found'. Watching logs on the AP shows there is no contact from the client. Client has an Intel 7265 [8086:095a]. No clues | 07:57 |
| TJ- | in kernel logs. | 07:57 |
| lotuspsychje | wich kernel does it happen on TJ- | 08:08 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: wonder if its related to bug #1869587 | 08:10 |
| ubottu | Bug 1869587 in backport-iwlwifi-dkms (Ubuntu Groovy) "WiFi performance is slow" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1869587 | 08:10 |
| cart_man | Is it possible for Format TOPs output to only show CPU and Memory? | 08:12 |
| TJ- | Found a related log event with debug logging on: wpa_supplicant "Failed to add supported operating classes IE" | 08:14 |
| TJ- | looks like wpa_supplicant on the client doesn't recognise one or more IEs from the AP | 08:14 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: comment 20? https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=247625 | 08:15 |
| ubottu | bugs.freebsd.org bug 247625 in Base System "Intel 7260 (iwm) will not connect to access point" [Affects Some People, In Progress] | 08:15 |
| lotuspsychje | sounds like a strange bug you found again | 08:17 |
| lotuspsychje | nikolam: think 18.04 still had 32bit flavours, but like lubuntu 18.04 is prob eol too now | 08:18 |
| alkisg | I would make my phone a hotspot, connect there, then compare the success=phone vs the failure=other-AP logs | 08:19 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: bsd report is unrelated | 08:19 |
| lotuspsychje | kk TJ- | 08:19 |
| alkisg | E.g. if that wpa_supplicant message shows up in both cases, it wouldn't be the cause of the issue | 08:19 |
| TJ- | Looks like the version of hostapd I'm running on the AP is sending IEs not known to the version of wpa_supplicant on the client! | 08:19 |
| alkisg | Btw, any special characters in the SSID? | 08:19 |
| TJ- | alkisg: nothing as easy as that, unfortunately! | 08:20 |
| TJ- | basically - wpa_supplicant too old! (was trying to do a d-r-u on a notebook/tablet that hasn't been used in a couple of years and doesn't have Ethernet! | 08:20 |
| alkisg | And updating it solved the issue?! | 08:21 |
| TJ- | I wish - got to do an offline upgrade of it I guess | 08:21 |
| TJ- | it's stuck on 19.10 ! | 08:21 |
| lotuspsychje | aw | 08:22 |
| alkisg | Eh at least the next lts is a single upgrade away :D | 08:22 |
| TJ- | to add to the misery, it has a single USB3.0 port which is partially broken from the PCB and VERY flakey so attaching an external Ethernet adapter is hit-and-miss. Been meaning to open the T300CHI and repair it for about 2 years now :D | 08:22 |
| alkisg | I'm just worried that even after upgrading wpa_supplicant, it won't work, and another thing would be the issue; you could test with a live cd if you're not planning to upgrade it otherwise... | 08:23 |
| alkisg | Actually, live usb + chroot + upgrade might be faster than offline upgrade | 08:23 |
| TJ- | it'll be upgraded to 20.04 at least; everthing else is on 20.04 currently | 08:24 |
| TJ- | alkisg: the challenge there is the poorly USB port :) | 08:24 |
| lotuspsychje | how about the iso2grub trick? | 08:24 |
| alkisg | You could somehow put the 20.04 iso inside the hard disk and tell grub to boot from there (loopback); maybe that's what lotuspsychje means with iso2grub, I haven't heard of it | 08:26 |
| lotuspsychje | yes thats what i meant | 08:27 |
| lotuspsychje | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot | 08:28 |
| lotuspsychje | 20.04 will prob fix that wifi | 08:28 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: 20.04 is fine on all the other systems | 08:29 |
| lotuspsychje | great | 08:29 |
| TJ- | raspi to the rescue! Raspi has a (disabled) AP on it so just brought that online and got a connection, so saved ! | 08:40 |
| TJ- | Thanks for the suggestions | 08:40 |
| lotuspsychje | cool TJ- | 08:46 |
| Modulo5k | hello - I'm using ubuntu 18.04 and I can't update or install anything with apt because it says dpkg has the front end lock - how do I fix this? | 09:01 |
| TJ- | Modulo5k: likely there's a background update/upgrade going on | 09:02 |
| Modulo5k | I said no to upgrade and there was no prompt for updates | 09:02 |
| TJ- | Modulo5k: often occurs just after logging in | 09:02 |
| Modulo5k | Is there any way to override, TJ? | 09:02 |
| TJ- | Modulo5k: no - just be patient. usually only takes a few minutes, if that | 09:03 |
| Modulo5k | It always does this to me and it never seems to stop the background process | 09:03 |
| Modulo5k | If I pskill dpkg, will that fix it? | 09:03 |
| Modulo5k | I'm getting impatient | 09:04 |
| alkisg | Modulo5k: if you really really have to kill it, run `systemctl status | grep apt`, see the apt services running (e.g. apt-daily), and stop them with `systemctl stop apt-dialy-or-something-I-dont-remember-the-name` | 09:10 |
| TJ- | Modulo5k: best thing is to discover /why/ it is taking so long - a regular 'apt update' is just fetching the package lists | 09:11 |
| alkisg | In some cases where my networking had issues on boot, apt-daily hanged forever | 09:11 |
| TJ- | Modulo5k: however, an addtional unattended-upgrades may then be running | 09:11 |
| alkisg | The names are: apt-daily-upgrade, apt-daily, unattended-upgrades. Personally I've completely disabled unattended upgrades from software-properties-gtk | 09:12 |
| Modulo5k | alkisg if I could just disable updates of all kinds, that would be best, because I don't want them and I can always run them manually | 09:14 |
| alkisg | Modulo5k: run software-properties-gtk and adjust it to your needs | 09:14 |
| alkisg | I have: daily check for updates, and show immediately on security issues, but never autoinstall | 09:15 |
| alkisg | I wouldn't mind autoinstall as long as it shows an icon in the tray, that I would be able to doubleclick and get access to the running apt process terminal | 09:16 |
| Modulo5k | I'm running this in a VM of VBox btw, so I don't really care if I get hacked or have to reset the snapshot | 09:16 |
| Modulo5k | alkisg thanks for the tip | 09:16 |
| alkisg | np | 09:17 |
| Modulo5k | OK, so I see the daily upgrade is running. I disabled it from software properties gtk, should I reboot now? | 09:18 |
| Modulo5k | Rebooting solved it. Thanks TJ_ and alkisg | 09:44 |
| kieto | Hi! I'm using a Lenovo L13 laptop running ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS and sometimes I'm in a Google Meet meeting with the integrated webcam with around 8 people (lowest quality settings), and my computer reaches critical temperature and shuts down. Has anyone experienced the same? this morning I only had firefox running with 7 tabs including google meet, and it shut down anyway | 09:44 |
| lotuspsychje | kieto: you might want to leave a few things open for testing like; journalctl -f htop and see whats happening to your system | 09:50 |
| kieto | lotuspsychje: thanks | 09:51 |
| lotuspsychje | kieto: other tests can be useful like other browser test or a firefox clean launch from terminal | 09:51 |
| kieto | I'm trying chromium now to see differences | 09:51 |
| lotuspsychje | great | 09:52 |
| neurochrome | Hey folks! Since installing the latest kernel updates on 16.04, my nvidia drivers no longer work. I get to the login screen but everything is huge. Sometimes it just fully locks up, other times I can login but things are seriously messed up. If I try and open nvidia-settings then it's just blank. | 09:52 |
| lotuspsychje | kieto: i recently noticed some high cpu on FF without reason, still investigating that myself | 09:52 |
| neurochrome | I can boot into the old kernel ok. | 09:52 |
| kieto | lotuspsychje: cool, then I'm not alone :P | 09:53 |
| neurochrome | I've tried purging nvidia packages and re-installing. I also tried reinstalling the latest kernel too. No joy. Any ideas? | 09:53 |
| lotuspsychje | neurochrome: 16.04 is end of life, reccomended to install a supported version from topic | 09:53 |
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| tuxick | hmm, desktop 2004 installer kinda confusing me, why is "new partition table" disabled? | 10:07 |
| tuxick | i really don't like the default lvm "give everything to root" | 10:08 |
| tuxick | ah | 10:08 |
| * ogra does not think we had LVM support in the installer from 2004 ... | 10:09 | |
| ogra | 😛 | 10:09 |
| tuxick | h0h0 | 10:09 |
| tuxick | ok, it refuses to deal with new partition because of existing installation | 10:10 |
| tuxick | which has vg_ubuntu | 10:10 |
| TJ- | tuxick: for LVM, recently, it defaults to something like -l 80%FREE I seem to recall | 10:10 |
| tuxick | TJ-: ooh that's a start | 10:10 |
| TJ- | tuxick: although that may be the -server installer, not desktop | 10:10 |
| tuxick | i'd start with like 20-30G | 10:11 |
| tuxick | that's what i did for the autoinstall template i made last week | 10:11 |
| tuxick | for some reason i installed ubuntu without lvm on this dual boot laptop | 10:12 |
| tuxick | so removing windows and taking the space is ugly | 10:12 |
| TJ- | If I use the installer (rarely - prefer debootstrap!) I pre-configure LUKS and LVM fine-grained with minimal sizes and later use lvresize on-demand if necessary. I use the 'free' space for creating/deleting ephermeral LVs for VMs, containers, builds and so on | 10:18 |
| TJ- | tuxick: it's not /too/ difficult to switch to LVM in-place :) | 10:18 |
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| tomreyn | - "20.10" | 11:11 |
| neurochrome | lotuspsychje ok, cheers. It's End of Standard Support, but doesn't go full EOL until April 2024, but, yeah... I should probably upgrade regardless! :D | 11:13 |
| lotuspsychje | neurochrome: you can consider paying for ESM thats right | 11:14 |
| tomreyn | neurochrome: https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-16-04-lts-transitions-to-extended-security-maintenance-esm | 11:17 |
| bittin | There will be an Ubuntu Q&A at GUADEC in around 3,5 hours | 11:19 |
| lotuspsychje | bittin: you can use #ubuntu-discuss for announcements like that | 11:19 |
| bittin | lotuspsychje, alright | 11:19 |
| bittin | sorry | 11:20 |
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| tuxick | TJ-: actually, never tried | 11:28 |
| tuxick | at this moment i find the installer rather disappointing | 11:28 |
| tuxick | the rhel/centos lvm/partitioning is messy but at least it won't fail | 11:29 |
| tomreyn | the next release is going to get a new installer | 11:31 |
| tuxick | used the 'live' option to shrink root lv :) | 11:34 |
| tuxick | nope, it still can't handle that | 11:36 |
| tomreyn | i think the only scenario in which the current desktop installer handles LVM well is when it does a new (almost) full disk encryption setup. | 11:39 |
| tomreyn | you can do more complex scenarios with the server installer, or, as TJ already suggested, set it up manually and install using debootstrap for the most flexibility. | 11:40 |
| tomreyn | tuxick: ^ | 11:41 |
| tuxick | in live shrank root to 20G and let it go ahead | 11:41 |
| tuxick | ah, fails on that too | 11:44 |
| tuxick | can't write grub | 11:44 |
| tuxick | i bet it'd even fail if i wipe mbr | 11:44 |
| bittin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjmL5YbcPEQ | 11:50 |
| lotuspsychje | not here bittin | 11:51 |
| neurochrome | lotuspsychje, tomreyn cheers for the heads up. After reading that (and drinking a strong coffee) I came to the hilarious realisation that it's my office machine that is on 16.04 and this machine I am experiencing issues on is in fact 18.04. <facepalm> :D | 11:54 |
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| lotuspsychje | neurochrome: 18.04 desktop is still supported yeah | 11:55 |
| neurochrome | So, back to the original issue... nvidia problems with the 4.15.0-151-generic kernel | 11:56 |
| lotuspsychje | try the HWE kernel neurochrome | 11:56 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 11:56 |
| neurochrome | lotuspsychje, ok, cheers | 11:56 |
| lotuspsychje | neurochrome: or re-ask your original question to the channel so volunteers can think along with you | 11:57 |
| neurochrome | OK, sure thing. So... since updating to the latest kernel (4.15.0-15 generic) my nvidia drivers (470) fail to load. The login screen is super low res and huge. Sometimes it locks up at this screen, other times I can login but the OS is slow and frequently locks up. nvidia-settings show a blank page when I try to open it once logged in. I can still use the previous kernel without issue. I've tried purging nvidia | 12:02 |
| neurochrome | packages and reinstalling. I've also tried reinstalling the newer kernel, to no avail. Anyone else experiencing this issue, or know how to solve? | 12:02 |
| lotuspsychje | neurochrome: can you share your dmesg please | 12:02 |
| tomreyn | linux-image-4.15.0-151-generic would be the latest GA kernel on 18.04 LTS | 12:03 |
| tomreyn | (so not 4.15.0-15) | 12:03 |
| neurochrome | Correct, yeah. Too many backspaces on my part. | 12:05 |
| tomreyn | "The login screen is super low res and huge." sounds like the nvidia driver did not load properly. logs should help analyze this. dmesg is a command to capture the kernel-only logs from the kernel logging ring buffer and output them. | 12:08 |
| tomreyn | you can pipe its output into something that posts it online, such as: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 | 12:09 |
| tomreyn | if you'd like to also include other logs, you'd use journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 instead. for logs from the previous boot, you'd use journalctl -b -1 | nc termbin.com 9999 | 12:10 |
| tomreyn | to limit that to only kernel logs, add -k before -b | 12:11 |
| neurochrome | Does dmesg only only cover events from the current boot (into the good kernel)? | 12:12 |
| tomreyn | yes | 12:13 |
| neurochrome | I couldn't find the /var/log/dmesg log but it looks like it's no longer there. Guessing it's some binary log now. | 12:13 |
| tomreyn | "kernel ring buffer" - in memory | 12:13 |
| tomreyn | but it's also written to the systemd journal, which is 'binary' (compressed). if you still have rsyslogd installe,d i think it also goes to /var/log/syslog | 12:16 |
| neurochrome | Ah, ok. I can post it, sure. https://termbin.com/ddne | 12:16 |
| lotuspsychje | neurochrome: was that the whole dmesg output or was there some text above still? | 12:21 |
| lotuspsychje | journal logs would be useful too as tomreyn adviced | 12:21 |
| tomreyn | neurochrome: this dmesg has lost its initial lines already, so, yes, use journalctl as discussed above. | 12:23 |
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| Modulo5k | Hello peeps - can I build and run 32 bit programs on 64 bit ubuntu 18.04? | 12:46 |
| Modulo5k | I'm having all kinds of problems | 12:46 |
| Modulo5k | My library is only designed for 32 bit architecture | 12:47 |
| Modulo5k | First I had problems with type limits and int and std::string::npos as a 64 bit comparison | 12:47 |
| Modulo5k | I changed my library to use -m32 and then everything blew up | 12:47 |
| akshansh | hi | 12:48 |
| Modulo5k | I installed gcc and g++ mutlilib libraries for compatibility, but I'm still having conflicts between i386 and x86_64 architecture | 12:49 |
| tomreyn | Modulo5k: you should probably specify architecture also, not just bitness. most support for x86 (if it refers to this) was removed with 19.10 and 20.04 LTS. https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts | 12:50 |
| Modulo5k | I'm using 18.04 but I'll note that, thanks tomreyn | 12:50 |
| Modulo5k | tomreyn, would i686 work? | 12:52 |
| Modulo5k | I suppose I should just make my library 64 bit and fix the problems | 12:54 |
| tomreyn | Modulo5k: not generally, but there are some exceptions / workaround to the general "won't work" | 12:54 |
| tomreyn | you just need to read up on it ;) | 12:54 |
| Modulo5k | suggested reading? | 12:55 |
| tomreyn | yes, you really should make it 64-bit | 12:55 |
| tomreyn | the article i posted above has links to more resources, thopse have links to more resources. | 12:55 |
| Modulo5k | ok | 12:56 |
| tomreyn | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2019-June/001261.html also | 12:56 |
| tomreyn | but in the end it all comes down to what you already stated: <Modulo5k> I suppose I should just make my library 64 bit and fix the problems | 12:57 |
| Modulo5k | Never an easy way out | 12:57 |
| Modulo5k | It seems that 18.04 still supports i386 though, is there a proper way to do it? | 13:03 |
| Modulo5k | For the short term, anyway? | 13:04 |
| tomreyn | you might need / want to sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 to be able to sudo apt install somepackage:i386 | 13:10 |
| tomreyn | but you're not really saying what the issues are, so that won't enable anyone to help | 13:11 |
| Modulo5k | Modulo5kI installed gcc and g++ mutlilib libraries for compatibility, but I'm still having conflicts between i386 and x86_64 architecture | 13:11 |
| Modulo5k | Specifically, incompatible architecture leading to undefined references | 13:11 |
| Modulo5k | Here's the first error : | 13:13 |
| Modulo5k | i386 architecture of input file X is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output | 13:13 |
| Modulo5k | Not sure what that means | 13:13 |
| Modulo5k | Do I need to specify a linker flag too? | 13:14 |
| tomreyn | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1071816 looks related | 13:15 |
| tomreyn | but i'm not a developer, so you'll need to wait for someone who is. | 13:16 |
| Modulo5k | This looks like its more complicated to recompile/reinstall all the deps as 32 bit and specify the output format too | 13:18 |
| Modulo5k | I'll just have to spend a few days converting everything to 64 bit I guess | 13:18 |
| Modulo5k | Thanks tomreyn for your help | 13:18 |
| tomreyn | you're welcome | 13:29 |
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| ilmais1n | Hello, i installed xrdp-server and xubuntu-desktop. When i log in, i see only a blue background. | 14:31 |
| t3nj1n | no menu bar? | 14:32 |
| t3nj1n | have u tried startx | 14:33 |
| t3nj1n | maybe X isn't starting on your remote session | 14:34 |
| ilmais1n | t3nj1n: i have nothing to write startx on | 14:37 |
| ilmais1n | t3nj1n: or should x be somehow already running | 14:38 |
| t3nj1n | can't pull up a terminal? | 14:39 |
| ioria | ilmais1n, you might have another session running | 14:39 |
| ilmais1n | t3nj1n: obv i can't pull up a terminal from a blank screen | 14:40 |
| kds | rpi 4 (; | 14:40 |
| t3nj1n | actually | 14:40 |
| t3nj1n | ctrl + alt + f5 might work | 14:40 |
| t3nj1n | i'm trying to help you out lol | 14:42 |
| t3nj1n | you cant alt left/right thru the tty sessions to get back to desktop | 14:43 |
| t3nj1n | *can | 14:43 |
| t3nj1n | you should probably take the opportunity while you're in term mode to change your xinit file | 14:43 |
| ilmais1n | have you ever used xrdp | 14:44 |
| t3nj1n | to get from win to a linux session? sure | 14:44 |
| ilmais1n | But i think i figured it out, xrdp package is neglected and i need to do some workarounds | 14:45 |
| ilmais1n | Has been so for years :/ | 14:45 |
| t3nj1n | :( | 14:49 |
| t3nj1n | maybe try a WSL2 -> GUI setup? | 14:50 |
| tomreyn | or just vnc | 14:50 |
| t3nj1n | ^ | 14:51 |
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| t3nj1n | the ctrl alt f5 trick does work tho on xfce | 14:52 |
| ilmais1n | I have no idea why they litter the repos with broken stuff like this | 14:53 |
| ilmais1n | t3nj1n: my target machine is a headless vps with no local console | 14:55 |
| leftyfb | ilmais1n: why do you need a GUI on it? | 14:58 |
| ilmais1n | because i intend to run gui apps, like sandbox | 14:59 |
| ilmais1n | that's irrelevant, though | 14:59 |
| ilmais1n | s/sandbox/anbox | 14:59 |
| ilmais1n | Bah, i'll nuke the vm and maybe start over again with sth different eventually | 15:01 |
| leftyfb | ilmais1n: teamviewer? | 15:01 |
| ilmais1n | Yuck | 15:02 |
| leftyfb | yeah, you're right. I hate when things "just work" | 15:02 |
| ilmais1n | I hate when i try to install some overengineered proprietary hodgepodge that causes everything to break down | 15:04 |
| leftyfb | I've been using teamviewer on multiple machines for well over 10 years now. I've never had it "break down" or cause any issues at all | 15:06 |
| tuxick | ok, this desktop installer is fubar | 15:06 |
| t3nj1n | what do you mean no local console | 15:07 |
| wmorse | Good morning, good day and good evening -- depending on your earthly coordinates; My question is about "resetting" name resolution. "It" gets messed up when I switch from work network, to home wifi and to Work network Over VPN -- I need to learn some tools to know what is going on. Also -- I'm using POP21.04 so maybe this isn't the right channel to seek help... | 15:08 |
| leftyfb | tuxick: if you'd like help, you're going to need go give more information than that | 15:08 |
| leftyfb | !popos | wmorse | 15:08 |
| ubottu | wmorse: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle) | 15:08 |
| tuxick | lefty: i want proper lvm | 15:08 |
| t3nj1n | if u can send the keystroke it should get you to the tty session | 15:08 |
| tuxick | so not having it take up all space for / | 15:08 |
| t3nj1n | ok got it @ubottu | 15:09 |
| wmorse | yeah -- ok ... still like you guys better.... | 15:10 |
| tomreyn | wmorse: you can install ubuntu and get help with it here. or try #linux | 15:10 |
| wmorse | yeah yeah -- been running ubuntu since Daper Drake -- love it -- just trying something new -- carry on ... | 15:13 |
| tuxick | downloading 21.04 now, "can't be worse" :) | 15:17 |
| ilmais1n | https://tecadmin.net/install-vnc-server-on-ubuntu-20-04/ apparently there are similar problems with tigervnc | 15:38 |
| leftyfb | ilmais1n: use x11nc | 15:39 |
| ilmais1n | perhaps | 15:39 |
| leftyfb | ilmais1n: x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority -usepw | 15:39 |
| srv | lol actually winbuntu exist i just wrote type in my explorer winbunto and i got winbuntou and i start rolling on the floor laughing | 15:57 |
| srv | :) | 15:57 |
| srv | :P | 15:57 |
| davegarath | Hello everybody! I have a strange problem with audio on my 20.04. I can hear some sound played for example by mplayer or chrome but I can't here youtube sound from firefox or, for example using Test button in sound setting. | 17:24 |
| davegarath | Someone can help me to understand how investigate this problem ? TY in advance | 17:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | For some reason FF will only output on HDMI for me at the moment, everything else will switch over to my headset when connected but firefox continues to be on HDMI. Is it only FF that you have the issue with? | 17:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I haven't tried investigating further tbh | 17:34 |
| davegarath | other sw too | 17:35 |
| davegarath | for example Lutris | 17:36 |
| davegarath | or wine | 17:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | check sound settings and/or pulsemixer? | 17:40 |
| davegarath | I don't have pulsemixer... I'm installing now | 17:52 |
| davegarath | but I tryied with alsamixer | 17:52 |
| davegarath | also pulsemixer show me all gain are up | 17:53 |
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| agvantibo | sruli, It's prob too late, but you could try to disable these malfunctioning repos temporarily via the gui, `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` and try again. | 17:57 |
| agvantibo | Helped me in the same scenario with virtualbox | 17:58 |
| agvantibo | (picrelated) https://i.imgur.com/LEIeWn6.png | 17:59 |
| jose-manuel | Soy nuevo. Perdonadme si digo alguna tonteria | 17:59 |
| tomreyn | !es | jose-manuel | 18:00 |
| ubottu | jose-manuel: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 18:00 |
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