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JoeBkhas 24.04 been released?  https://releases.ubuntu.com/noble/01:48
Bashing-omJoeBk: Yup - out: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2024-April/000301.html .01:52
Guest70yes sir01:53
JoeBk24.04 was not supposed to releases until april 2801:57
JoeBk24.04 was not supposed to be released until april 2801:57
arraybolt3JoeBk: ...according to whome?01:59
arraybolt3*whom01:59
arraybolt3The official release schedule had it targetted for the 25th, which is exactly what the Ubuntu Release Team did. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/3564901:59
Guest70I read 25th also02:00
JoeBkarraybolt3: according to Google02:00
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Guest70Chris is cool02:01
Guest70CoolChris has logged in02:01
arraybolt3JoeBk: mhh, weird. Maybe Google had it wrong then.02:01
arraybolt3The Discourse link I posted earlier should be authoritative, and it had better be since that's what both volunteer developers and Canonical employees went by :P02:02
JoeBkarraybolt3: could be02:02
Guest70How are the humans enjoying the new Ubuntu version:?02:12
webchat14Hi, recently did a fresh install of ubuntu 24.04 and since then Wake On Lan is not working. I am not able to start the server from remote using ethool.  I see that the output of sudo ethtool enp4s0 shows  Wake-on: d02:13
webchat14When I set it to g - it works but on the next reboot,  Wake-on:g reverts to Wake-on: d02:13
webchat14How to make this change persistent ?02:13
Guest70Is the 13th Gen Intel CPUs, not yet have good compatability with Linux drivers? I know this happens anytime new tech comes out, it takes a few months to add the drivers to the kernels etc02:17
arraybolt3Guest70: I would expect 13th and 14th gen Intel hardware to work OK at this point. Kubuntu Focus at least is shipping 14th gen Intel CPUs in some of their higher-end laptops that ship with Kubuntu LTS.02:19
Guest70nice02:19
Guest7013th gen is the last 'i' gen right?02:19
Guest70i7 etc02:19
arraybolt3There are some 14th gen i9 CPUs and I think i7's too. Raptor Lake Refresh.02:19
arraybolt3(Meteor Lake probably still has shaky support - that's the Intel Core Ultra line)02:20
arraybolt3but the kernel in Ubuntu 24.04 may be able to work even with that.02:20
Guest70nice02:20
leftyfbmodel name: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1370P02:20
leftyfbUbuntu 22.04 works fine for me02:20
Guest70When 12th gens just came out, I was getting lots of glitches with the LTS ubuntu02:20
Guest70So I tend to buy 1 generation old02:20
Guest70to ensure compatability02:21
JanCIntel/AMD usually add hardware support to the kernel before it's released nowadays02:30
bebopwhat is the latest ubuntu lts release?02:35
webchat14bebop: 24.04 LTS02:35
bebopwebchat14: I run do-release-upgrade and I'm using LTS and it doesn't prompt me to upgrade02:37
jadeiaIf you're on LTS, you need to wait until the August release.02:38
jadeia:(02:38
bebopugh02:38
webchat14or do do-release-upgrade -d but that would take you to the development branch02:38
jadeiaGives them time to iron out everthing and make it a true LTS02:38
jadeiaDon't do the -d option. You'd be asking for issues if it even works.02:38
bebopwhy does it say 24 release in april? developmental?02:39
jadeiaLTS means stability - if thats the most important, just wait till Aug02:39
jadeiaI think its 24.01 released in April.02:39
jadeia24.04 which is LTS is August.02:39
bebopUbuntu 24.04 LTS Noble Numbat is now available for download!02:40
bebopsays right on ubuntu site02:40
jadeiaKinda buried in this document: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2024-April/000301.html02:40
jadeiaI'm not disagreeing with you there - but the devil is in the details as always with just about everything.02:41
bebophttps://ubuntu.com/download/desktop02:41
jadeiaLTS needs to wait for an extra .01 -- Users of 22.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 24.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for the 15th of August.02:42
arraybolt3bebop: The ISOs release a few months earlier than upgrades are enabled. This is intentional, so that we have time to iron out bugs that we couldn't fix before the release date.02:42
JanCor that only are found after release02:42
jadeiaYeh if stability counts for you, definately wait a few months.02:43
Guest70ok good02:45
Ali_nzI want multiple monitor support for Ubuntu when connecting from my Windows desktop - it looks like the build in RDP server doesnt do this and I should install remmina (which is different from the built rdp server?)02:47
TuxHubdo the staff at canonical pray to bill gates three times a day?03:09
luna_3Software Updater: failed to download repository information. check your internet connection: - Could this be becuase I am using wifi instead of ethernet?03:22
Bashing-omluna_3: Ping a mirror and see - from terminal ' ping -c3 ca.archive.ubuntu.com '.03:25
geekyhello04:01
geekyis there some special incantion to get 24.04 server image working on a rpi, I wrote the image to the usb key and it wouldn't boot04:02
notlocalhorstI'm looking for disk encryption in 24.04, in manual partitioner mode. I can't find it, is it gone or am I overlooking it?04:04
notlocalhorstyes, i saw the TPM option in auto mode, but that is not what i want ...04:05
lotuspsychjenotlocalhorst: check the release notes, it mentions TPM things there04:10
lotuspsychje!noble04:10
ubottuUbuntu 24.04 (Noble Numbat) is the 40th release of Ubuntu and the current !LTS release - Download at https://ubuntu.com/download :: Release notes at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-notes :: Further schedule at https://ubottu.com/y/nn04:10
notlocalhorstlotuspsychje: thanks, but as I said I don't want TPM, just plain old luks. the release notes are saying "However, the traditional passphrase-backed FDE is still available for those who prefer it. ". But I can't find it in the new installer ...04:13
notlocalhorstno option to encrypt a partition as far as i can see ... really?04:15
notlocalhorstand the legacy installer image is not available for 24.04 as it seems04:16
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Sigcatcher24.04.. God that makes me feel old.04:41
Guest9I have installed Ubuntu on my lenovo thinkpad e16 gen 1. The issue is while the charger is plugged in, it remains the same and the charging status is not charging. After I remove the charger, the status shows for example 48 percent remaining and the battery begins to drain. I've tried this solution -04:42
Guest9https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051209/battery-not-charging-but-detected. But it is still not working04:42
Guest9Any help?04:52
Guest9I have installed Ubuntu on my lenovo thinkpad e16 gen 1. The issue is while the charger is plugged in, it remains the same and the charging status is not charging. After I remove the charger, the status shows for example 48 percent remaining and the battery begins to drain. I've tried this solution -05:03
Guest9https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051...g-but-detected. But it is still not working05:03
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NeilRGtest06:32
NeilRGHow do I resize a window in the 24.04?06:32
NeilRGthere are no corner widgets06:32
do3meliHi everyone. I am using the api https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/series to get release information for various ubuntu versions. unfortunately the new noble release has a differente title attribute format than any other release: For example all titles except noble have something like "The Lunar Lobster" or "The Xenial Xerus". Noble currently06:41
do3melihas the title "Noble". I was wondering if and how we can get this changed for noble series?06:41
NeilGtest06:46
NeilGI'm getting very weird focus stealing behaviour when I click on hexchat06:47
NeilGif there's any application behind HexChat at the point that I click, the app behind takes the focus06:47
ccccccombobreakeNeilG: you are not serious right?06:55
NeilGccccccombobreake, I am serious?06:56
NeilGam I doing something wrong?06:56
NeilGthis worked fine on 22.0406:56
NeilGI'm looking into changing my IRC client for this06:56
ccccccombobreakeNeilG: you can't resize a window?06:57
NeilGoh the resize I figured out06:57
NeilGalt-middle-button06:57
ccccccombobreakeif it's gnome, then i 100% trust you06:57
NeilGit's gnome06:57
NeilGwhich I guess is default?06:57
ccccccombobreakebecause they have their own ideology what a gui is06:57
ccccccombobreakeNeilG: well you didn't say you figured it out06:57
NeilGsorry, didn't think anyone was awake06:58
NeilGI'm still trying to configure the new ubuntu06:58
NeilGwill have to figure out how to use mac os keyboard layout next06:58
veegeewhat the hell... do-release-upgrade returns "There is no development version of an LTS available."07:12
veegeeI just did `sudo do-release-upgrade` from 22.0407:12
veegeePrompt=lts07:13
veegeeisn't the latest LTS version out?07:13
rfmveegee, LTS upgrades aren't offered until the first dot release, so somewhere around August.07:15
NeilRGtest07:29
respawnfail07:29
DarkWitcherHello everyone!07:31
DarkWitcherLooking for some help with Ubuntu 24.04 and a sound issue - Dummy Output on Dell XPS 9560 - Intel i7-7700hq, nvidia GTX 1050, 16gb ram.07:33
DarkWitcherTried the different fixes I found online for Pipewire, but no luck07:34
DarkWitcherlspci gave me the following audio device 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation CM238 HD Audio Controller (rev 31)07:34
veegeenever mind, fixed it07:40
veegeeshitty canonical software as usual07:40
veegeethey can't do a damn thing right07:40
ogra_veegee, the LTS version comes out in august as usual with the .1 release ... until then only 23.10 users get upgrades ... as usual ...07:44
veegeeogra_ yeah I figured that out after too much searching07:45
veegeewouldn't it be nice if the shitbuntu updater just mentioned that?07:45
ogra_(and cursing)07:45
ogra_why are you using it if it is so awful07:45
veegeeclient wants it07:45
ogra_and the work i and others here do is so bad ?07:45
veegeenot you specifically07:45
ogra_(it isnt really nice being insulted like that all the time)07:46
veegeebut whoever came up with "snap" and the modified gnome07:46
ogra_well, theer is code of mine in the updater too07:46
veegeeand whatever their competition to wayland was07:46
ogra_and i'm workign heavily on snaps07:46
veegeeand bzr07:46
veegeesnap is just shit..07:46
veegeewhy build a whole other standard instead of improving the better alternatives that exist07:46
ogra_well, most enterprise customers disagree ... as well as canonicals wallet07:46
veegeethat's funny... I disable snaps on all enterprise clients07:47
veegeeI have more than 2 large enterprises07:47
veegee(as clients)07:47
ogra_well, canonical has 100s07:47
veegeefirst thing I do is disable anything non-standard07:47
veegeestupid shit like snap07:47
veegeefor desktops, get rid of their disaster of a UI and install KDE07:47
ogra_could you stop the insulöts please ? we have rules here07:47
veegeeI'm not insulting07:48
ogra_you are07:48
veegeeI'm criticizing software07:48
veegeeif you can't take criticism, you shouldn't be a software developer07:48
DarkWitcherYes, but you are being vulgar instead of providing constructive feedback07:48
LuckyManveegee I find your words offensive.07:48
ogra_please read the code of conduct and stick to it ... it applies to all ubuntu communication07:48
veegeeLuckyMan I find you offensive07:49
ravageWelcome on my ignore list07:49
veegeelikewise07:49
ogra_criticism is totally fine ...07:49
ogra_... just not *that* way ...07:49
veegeeWhy not just build on Nix?07:49
DarkWitcherI dislike Snaps as well, however, currently they work way better than what it used to be. And if you don't like using them, you can always go the Arch way and build the system your client wants. Or if they need deb support, build based on Debian.07:49
veegeeDebian is what I use by default07:50
ogra_veegee, nix didnt exist 12y ago when we started to plan snaps07:50
DarkWitcherYou want to use Ubuntu, you need to accept the packages they use.07:50
veegeebut when it did, it beats snap in every way07:50
LuckyManI just want to say I did a fresh install of 24.04 and everything is working and I'm very glad with this new version :-)07:50
ogra_nor did any other packaging format even remotely similar to what snaps became in 201407:50
veegeeLuckyMan every distribution ever works on install07:50
LuckyMancongratulations to the team07:50
DarkWitcherI did a fresh install on 24.04 and have Audio issues07:50
DarkWitcherAnd I am looking for help, since I am totally lost.07:51
veegeeogra_ yes but now that Nix is widely available and very very good, why not migrate to it?07:51
veegeeYou could support developing it instead of snap07:51
LuckyManDarkWitcher: what are your troubles?07:51
ogra_veegee, lets take this to #ubuntu-discuss if you want ... we're massively getting offtopic for the support channel07:52
ogra_>(happy to answer you there)07:52
DarkWitcherLucky - I am getting Dummy Output.07:52
DarkWitcherCan I DM you?07:52
LuckyManDarkWitcher: what's dummy output?07:52
ravageDummy output is the device you see if no real hardware is detected 07:53
DarkWitcherYep, hardware isn't dettected, but according to they system drivers are installed and hardware is visible07:55
LuckyManDarkWitcher: was the sound ok on previous Ubuntu versions?07:55
DarkWitcherLast I used it was with a 23.10 and yes, worked fine07:55
LuckyManwhat's your soundboard?07:56
DarkWitcherAudio:07:56
DarkWitcher  Device-1: Intel CM238 HD Audio driver: snd_soc_avs07:56
DarkWitcher  API: ALSA v: k6.8.0-31-generic status: kernel-api07:56
DarkWitcher  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active07:56
LuckyMandid you tried installing drivers yourself?07:57
LuckyMandid you put a checkmark on third party software when installing ubuntu?07:58
DarkWitcher1 - can't seem to find them. 2 - yes, always07:58
NeilRGMy system forces me to logout the moment I log in, how can I debug this08:02
NeilRG?08:02
NeilRGhm, I think it was a bad fstab line that killed my system08:22
Nethan_atHi, trying to install 24.04 Server with software raid but the installer does not shows the aviable partitions in the raid create dialog - maybe text color same than background - i can jump between the partitions but without text - only can guess photo here: https://postimg.cc/PNF01C7P08:23
veegeeLuckyMan NeilRG - reinstall08:35
deadromHi.08:46
deadromSo after xz-utils, what's the general take? Not all of the umpteenth-thousand packages are maintained by hordes of well known open src bigheads. There are probably dozens of little helper tool packages maintained by one overworked hobbyist, so how are distros kept clean?08:51
lotuspsychje!discuss | deadrom08:52
ubottudeadrom: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!08:52
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scoothgerHello. Am i forced to install jammy and then dist upgrade if i want an encrypted 24.04 setup?09:25
jcduttonI have dependancy problems with 24.0409:47
jcdutton libzmq5 : Depends: libpgm-5.3-0 (>= 5.1.116~dfsg)09:47
jcduttonbut only libpgm-5.3-0t64 is available.   Note the t64 suffix09:48
lotuspsychjejcdutton: explain what you did exactly, so the volunteers can help you better; added ppa? installing wich main package?10:01
jcduttonlotuspsychje, its simple really, the libzmq5 dependancies are expecting libpgm-5.3-0  but it is not available in ubuntu Noble10:17
ubuntu-cinnamonHello10:18
ddkakjssjndndkskhello10:27
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vimflairhello11:13
zetheroo1Ubuntu 24.04 installer doesn't allow you to create a LUKS partition manually. Is that a bug or intended?11:17
ogra_did you check launchpad ? might eb a bug ...11:24
ogra_*be11:24
MadLambI am struggling to figure out why my thunderbolt 4 dock does not connect. I run boltctl list and nothing comes up.11:25
MadLambhttps://dpaste.com/6S62UP26L11:27
zetheroo1ogra_: seems the option has been missing from the installer since 23.0411:29
zetheroo1so it seems intentional 😲11:29
ogra_well, likely not intentional, but low prio to newly implement it (the installed is brand new written from scratch)11:31
zetheroo1brand new ... since 23.04 ;)11:32
ogra_well, yes11:32
tomreynzetheroo1: i would expect it to work if you use the server installer11:33
tyklinghello :) does the 24.04 server installer have zfs support?11:33
ogra_the thing is, the installer is now a snap so it is rolling and can be updated out of sync at any time (IIRC there is even an upgrade button to upgrade itself before installation)11:33
ogra_so features can roll in before 24.04 becomes the next LTS in august11:34
abaittaola11:39
GSMarquisHow often does Ubuntu update linux-firmware package?11:51
mimicathi! I have a problem with my ubuntu 24.04 LTS installation. I would like to have a dualboot with windows 11 with encrypted ubuntu. So I always installed Windows 11 first and after that, I installed ubuntu 22.04 LTS with encryption! This worked always fine. But now with 24.04 LTS, there is no option to encrypt only my ubuntu partition. I have to11:52
mimicaterase the whole disk which would delete my windows installation. How to handle this?11:52
tomreynmimicat: try the server installer, that might work.11:53
tomreynGSMarquis: there are changelogs, they should tell11:53
mimicattomreyn Thank you for the hint!11:53
zetheroo1mimicat: I have a solution for you, but first I need to make a couple screenshots. My colleague and I were just now dealing with the exact same issue, but we found a loophole/hack/bug in the installer that allows what worked previously in 22.04 by manually creating a LUKS partition.11:54
mimicatzetheroo1That sounds great!11:54
tomreynmimicat + zetheroo1: could you also report a bug if it's a regression?11:54
tomreynagainst ubuntu-desktop-provision11:55
mimicattomreyn I don't know whether its a bug or a feature. Maybe canonical doesnt want us to encrypt only specific partitions.11:55
tomreynmimicat: zetheroo1 just wrote that this "worked previously in 22.04".11:56
zetheroo1tomreyn: correct. But it's been removed from the installer since 23.04, which tells me that it's removal from the installer since a year was very likely intentional11:57
tomreyn(but sure, dropping previously supported functionality could still be on purpose)11:57
mimicattomreyn Yes, indeed. I used to do this in 22.04 as well. But unfortunately, due to a mess of dependencies or so the upgrade from 22.04 lts to 24.04 lts killed my ubuntu installation. I tried the standard steps to fix it, but it didn't work and i had no time. Thus, I choose to reinstall ubuntu. The shock came up when I saw that there was no option11:58
mimicatfor encryption in the manual partitioning step. Only the option to erase and encrypt the entire disk.11:58
tomreyni'd rather say it could just as well be an oversight when the new installer was created11:58
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tomreynzetheroo1: ^11:59
mimicatzetheroo1Do you have any information whether the removal of this option to encrypt specific partitions (not the entire disk) was intended?12:02
zetheroo1mimicat: no I don't. I would also like to know. ;)12:03
BluesKajHi all12:13
mimicatThis made me really upset and I cried yesterday in the evening. I now spent so much time on setting up a fedora on my laptop. Fortunately, ubuntu didn't touch my windows partitions during the failed upgrade. But today i realized, that the Xorg Version of Gnome on Fedora doesn't support fractional scaling, which is pretty sad since my laptop has a12:23
mimicat3k display. :(12:23
juliankneither installer supported encrypting individual partitions12:30
juliankthe old installer supported installing to existing luks partitions so you could go to gparted or so and create them and unlock them and then select them12:31
juliankbut the new one doesn't detect them as valid install targets so that workaround no longer works12:31
juliankmimicat: zetheroo1 ^12:31
juliankI think the very old installer supported manual luks creation itself but that hasn't been used in ages12:32
juliankit's a problem for me as I like to reinstall my system from scratch and then reprovision it12:32
* ogra_ bets patches wouldnt be rejected 😉 12:34
mimicatjuliank: hmm, I see. But somehow i managed to do it. And it wasn't creating encrypted partitions on my own. However, how would you solve this problem? (installing windows and ubuntu in dualboot with encryption for the ubuntu system)12:36
Mimicat_phone(if somebody wants to reply, I'm here on my phone now)12:40
JanCmimicat: if you are somewhat experienced, and the installer doesn't work (for your situation), you can always use debootstrap or a similar tool from the live CD...12:41
Guest93Hi..I installed Ubuntu Gnome 24.04 in Virtualbox.  Now I want to add LXDE to it just to try it out.  But getting the following error.  https://dpaste.com/539XE47B4  Please help.12:55
CosmicDJGuest93: why dont you just install lubuntu?12:57
ogra_Guest93, i think lxde has long been discontinued and replaced by lxqt12:58
Guest93Don't want to do a full blown installation as I just want to try it out temporarily.  Don't think I have that much disk space either.  If I can just add lxde on top of Gnome, try it out and then remove once done..I am good.12:58
Guest93"ubuntu2404@ubuntu2404-virtualbox:~$ sudo apt-get install lxqt12:59
Guest93Reading package lists... Done12:59
Guest93Building dependency tree... Done12:59
Guest93Reading state information... Done12:59
Guest93E: Unable to locate package lxqt12:59
Guest93"12:59

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