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| polo | does someone know if the deb version of omnissa horizon client is safe for ubuntu | 00:01 |
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| oerheks | if it is not in our repos, how should we know about silly Ai clients? | 00:02 |
| oerheks | ai is not save | 00:02 |
| polo | Where did you see that omnissa horizon client is AI | 00:02 |
| oerheks | people join here to fix ai solutions 😂 | 00:03 |
| oerheks | Ai droive digital workspace | 00:03 |
| polo | omnissa horizon is a hypervisor | 00:03 |
| oerheks | DAAS | 00:04 |
| oerheks | read yourself? https://www.omnissa.com/ | 00:04 |
| sarnold | ah, it used to be vmware stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnissa_Horizon | 00:05 |
| polo | I dont know if its in official ubuntu repos or if the deb picks from debian repos | 00:05 |
| oerheks | no, it is not in our repos, and yes, the software is safe, and no, your data is not. | 00:06 |
| polo | Installing a deb thats in debian repos can break apt | 00:06 |
| oerheks | yes, probably | 00:06 |
| oerheks | is it in debian repos? | 00:06 |
| oerheks | url? | 00:07 |
| sarnold | heh, it looks like the sort of thing that has "solutions" and "products" but not "downloads" :/ | 00:07 |
| sarnold | https://www.omnissa.com/products/horizon-8/ | 00:07 |
| oerheks | not. | 00:08 |
| polo | the downloads are here https://customerconnect.omnissa.com/downloads/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/omnissa_horizon_clients/8 | 00:08 |
| oerheks | " Horizon pricing and packaging" 😂 | 00:08 |
| sarnold | aha :) | 00:08 |
| TomyWork | is omnissa horizon the same as vmware horizon? | 00:08 |
| oerheks | TomyWork, yes | 00:08 |
| polo | yes omnissa horizon = vmware horizon | 00:08 |
| polo | vmware got bought by another company | 00:08 |
| TomyWork | great way to ruin an established brand | 00:08 |
| oerheks | good luck! | 00:08 |
| sarnold | broadcom absolutely wrecked it | 00:09 |
| TomyWork | anyway, I used it on ubuntu 22.04 with no issue. don't know about safe, but if you dont trust vmware, dont use their hypervisor platform | 00:09 |
| polo | by safe i mean will it break apt | 00:09 |
| oerheks | no way telling it will break apt.. except by trial and error | 00:10 |
| oerheks | did you find issues ubuntu+horizon? | 00:10 |
| polo | can you stop trolling ? | 00:11 |
| TomyWork | what I installed was a single .deb... I don't see how that could possibly "break apt" except for malice. and again, if you assume malice, dont use their hypervisor platform | 00:11 |
| oerheks | it is not in our repositories, nor you could show it is in debian. | 00:11 |
| oerheks | trolling? i give honest answers | 00:12 |
| polo | I know that installing something thats not in official repos can break ubuntu and keep it from updating or apps from opening | 00:12 |
| TomyWork | what oerheks isn't saying is that this is an official ubuntu support channel and you're not asking questions that relate to ubuntu | 00:12 |
| polo | It relates to ubuntu because you can't install any deb on ubuntu | 00:13 |
| TomyWork | try asking microsoft support if installing winrar is safe :) | 00:13 |
| polo | like if you install debian debs it wont work on ubuntu | 00:13 |
| oerheks | commercial AI .. while AI lacks genuine offical information as it is blocked | 00:13 |
| oerheks | good luck! | 00:13 |
| TomyWork | polo, where did you get that idea? | 00:13 |
| polo | in this channel | 00:14 |
| TomyWork | ubuntu and debian are both based on dpkg and apt | 00:14 |
| TomyWork | i.e. they use .deb files | 00:14 |
| polo | well it goes to show that people in this channel are not always reliable | 00:14 |
| polo | someone yesterday told me that a deb package that picks from debian repos instead of ubuntu repos could completely break the whole system | 00:14 |
| oerheks | 'could', yes. | 00:15 |
| TomyWork | how'd you figure the vmware horizon .deb was for debian? | 00:15 |
| oerheks | with its dependencies, and build modifications | 00:15 |
| oerheks | but that deb is not from debian,it is their own. | 00:15 |
| TomyWork | this just says "deb package for 64-bit Linux", nothing about debian or ubuntu: https://customerconnect.omnissa.com/downloads/details?downloadGroup=CART25FQ4_LIN64_DEBPKG_2412&productId=1562&rPId=118885 | 00:16 |
| polo | ok | 00:16 |
| oerheks | if you are curious, start a VM with ubuntu, and try out? | 00:17 |
| oerheks | !kvm | 00:17 |
| ubottu | kvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu. For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM | 00:17 |
| TomyWork | is lxd-gui mainline yet? | 00:17 |
| TomyWork | cause that's an easy way to set up both containers and I think VMs too | 00:18 |
| oerheks | !info lxd-gui | 00:18 |
| ubottu | Package lxd-gui does not exist in noble | 00:18 |
| oerheks | nope | 00:18 |
| TomyWork | it used to be a setting | 00:18 |
| TomyWork | not a package | 00:18 |
| polo | no im using it to connect to a remote vm using windows | 00:18 |
| polo | everything cant be done with linux | 00:19 |
| sarnold | https://paste.debian.net/1367553/ the maintainer scripts for this thing | 00:19 |
| oerheks | if it cannot be done with linux, is it worth the trouble? | 00:19 |
| TomyWork | yeah, what oerheks is suggesting is to set up a VM with desktop linux and try the horizon client in there | 00:19 |
| sarnold | that "postinst: # Loop through each user to migrate configurations" is a *ild* choice | 00:19 |
| polo | I'm not the one making the rules | 00:20 |
| polo | windows is a broadly used operating system | 00:21 |
| oerheks | #libera is a FOSS network. | 00:21 |
| UndrWater | libera has #windows | 00:21 |
| polo | Just because you're foss doesnt mean you completely avoid microsoft | 00:21 |
| TomyWork | polo, wait... if you're connecting from windows, then why are you asking here? | 00:21 |
| oerheks | microsoft is offtopic. | 00:22 |
| sarnold | polo: I'd certainly try this thing out n a throwaway machine first | 00:22 |
| polo | im on linux at home but i want to connect to a windows VM | 00:22 |
| polo | using omnissa | 00:22 |
| TomyWork | ah, the other way round | 00:22 |
| UndrWater | polo: have you looked at libvirt? | 00:22 |
| sarnold | polo: it's probably "fine" but they have weird ideas about what's okay to do on a system | 00:22 |
| polo | I'm trying not to break ubuntu | 00:22 |
| oerheks | first you ask if it safe.. now you blame us for it.. | 00:22 |
| oerheks | lolz | 00:22 |
| oerheks | /ignore | 00:23 |
| TomyWork | yeah then go get the .deb and install it. you can try it in a VM first, if you're scared | 00:23 |
| polo | ok | 00:23 |
| UndrWater | polo: https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/how-to/virtualisation/libvirt/index.html | 00:23 |
| sarnold | oerheks: btw, I don't for a moment think polo is blaming anyone for anything, polo's been polite and kind and asking reasonable enough questions | 00:23 |
| TomyWork | UndrWater, why suggest libvirt? | 00:24 |
| sarnold | oerheks: it's a bit unfortunate that nobody here appears to be familiar with this software, but that's the way it goes sometimes | 00:24 |
| UndrWater | TomyWork: are we not discussing virtual machine? | 00:24 |
| TomyWork | peripherally | 00:24 |
| UndrWater | TomyWork: perhaps that's the attention i'm paying then. | 00:24 |
| TomyWork | they want to run a software, which happens to connect to a remote hypervisor solution | 00:25 |
| UndrWater | aha | 00:25 |
| oerheks | sarnold, how can we answer binairy blobs from commercial parties? | 00:25 |
| UndrWater | TomyWork: thanks for the clarification | 00:25 |
| oerheks | it goes beyond the scope of this channel, network even | 00:25 |
| TomyWork | and they were suggested to try that software in a VM, optionally | 00:25 |
| sarnold | oerheks: we can't, really. it's fair to say "you might need to talk to your customer support" :) | 00:26 |
| sarnold | oerheks: I was curious, so I downloaded it and unpacked it using ar and tar just to take a look | 00:26 |
| TomyWork | oerheks, the network does host a #windows channel | 00:26 |
| TomyWork | (and a #vmware channel, too) | 00:26 |
| sarnold | oooooo there we go | 00:26 |
| sarnold | maybe someone in #vmware is familiar with the client | 00:26 |
| oerheks | TomyWork, it does, several.. | 00:27 |
| polo | thank you | 00:27 |
| TomyWork | if you're aware of that, why do you say discussing windows or vmware is beyond the scope of the network? | 00:27 |
| oerheks | commercial blobs* | 00:28 |
| oerheks | how or why should we support that? | 00:28 |
| TomyWork | "we" as in libera or #ubuntu? | 00:28 |
| oerheks | glad we are limited to our repos. | 00:28 |
| oerheks | open source, open standards. | 00:29 |
| sarnold | polo: btw, package maintainer scripts run with full unconfined root privileges | 00:29 |
| sarnold | polo: be 100% sure you trust these folks with root on your computer before you install the package | 00:29 |
| sarnold | polo: just because your employer trusts them to run windows desktops in VMs doesn't mean you need to trust them with your linux desktop | 00:30 |
| oerheks | +1 | 00:30 |
| TomyWork | I had assumed it's a work-issued laptop | 00:30 |
| polo | Maybe i should make a windows vm on my ubuntu | 00:31 |
| UndrWater | i'm ignorant of exactly what omnissa does, but it looks like 'virsh' can do what you're asking | 00:31 |
| sarnold | UndrWater: it can't | 00:31 |
| UndrWater | sarnold: ok | 00:31 |
| TomyWork | UndrWater, it used to be called "vmware horizon". somewhat like citrix | 00:31 |
| TomyWork | if that rings a bell | 00:31 |
| UndrWater | what's its function? | 00:31 |
| sarnold | UndrWater: polo is looking for a specific "viewer" that can be used to connect to virtual machines hosted at his or her employer | 00:32 |
| UndrWater | i see | 00:32 |
| oerheks | connect to; can be FOSS.. | 00:32 |
| sarnold | UndrWater: if you wanted to run VMs entirely yourself, libvirt is the perfect tool for the job :) but if you're trying to connect to VMs hosted elsewhere, you've just got to use the tools necessary for it | 00:32 |
| polo | I dont know if i can connect to a horizon server with something else than vmware horizon | 00:32 |
| UndrWater | sarnold: understood, and thank you for the clarification | 00:32 |
| TomyWork | polo, is this a work-issued laptop? | 00:33 |
| UndrWater | polo: quick search says no | 00:34 |
| polo | no, this is my home pc | 00:34 |
| TomyWork | polo, do you own the horizon instance? | 00:34 |
| polo | no | 00:35 |
| polo | its ok, ill figure it out | 00:35 |
| polo | thank you guys! | 00:35 |
| TomyWork | eh, if you're concerned about it, run an ubuntu vm and horizon in it | 00:35 |
| TomyWork | it works fine on ubuntu, no need for windows | 00:36 |
| Unit193 | Or container even, though that complicates getting the GUI up a little. | 00:36 |
| oerheks | Unit193, that was my advise too, KVM | 00:36 |
| TomyWork | and is easier to escape from | 00:37 |
| oerheks | wipe it and start all over | 00:37 |
| Unit193 | oerheks: That's...not the same advice, but OK. | 00:37 |
| Unit193 | TomyWork: Fair, sure. Less overhead was the point I was thinking, and then you're not doing a VM (viewer) in a VM. | 00:37 |
| oerheks | AI models are populair, but are too soon to include in our repositories | 00:38 |
| TomyWork | Unit193, unless you're connecting it to your host's display server, that's an indirection either way | 00:38 |
| TomyWork | and if you do connect it to the host's display server, security goes out the window | 00:39 |
| TomyWork | oerheks, omnissa may be a company focussed on AI, but horizon is really just fancy VNC | 00:39 |
| sarnold | "fancy", "probably worse", etc :) | 00:40 |
| TomyWork | VNC is terrible. only way is up | 00:40 |
| polo | vmware is broadly used and it uses technology that is unmatched and it made a big scoop online whenever vmware got bought up | 00:42 |
| oerheks | so is virtualbox.. but VM beats both | 00:42 |
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| oerheks | IMHO | 00:42 |
| toddc | proxmox | 00:43 |
| oerheks | install boxes for easy deployment | 00:43 |
| boomercore_ | VNC is fine if you know how to get it to do what you want. | 00:43 |
| TomyWork | virtualbox is nice, but hardly unmatched | 00:44 |
| TomyWork | boomercore_, which includes wrapping it in something more secure | 00:44 |
| boomercore_ | TomyWork, absolutely but should go without saying | 00:45 |
| TomyWork | iirc plain VNC also has no caching | 00:46 |
| boomercore_ | i guess ... why would you need caching? | 00:47 |
| TomyWork | so alt+tab is snappy | 00:47 |
| boomercore_ | VNC is not a performance platform | 00:47 |
| boomercore_ | nor should any remote access be really | 00:48 |
| TomyWork | nor secure. which is why I said it's terrible | 00:48 |
| boomercore_ | it can be made to be secure if you know what you're doing. | 00:48 |
| polo | everything is secure until it isnt | 00:49 |
| boomercore_ | honestly though, we don't use it in secure environments but you shouldn't be using it there anyways (nor should you use any gui tool in those environments) | 00:49 |
| TomyWork | we're going in circles... I said horizon is fancy VNC, s arnold said it's probably worse than VNC, I disagree because VNC is terrible, now you're moving the goalposts to VNC+x | 00:50 |
| boomercore_ | when I say secure, I'm talking ultimate need for it. definitely in those cases, you shouldn't be using a gui remote session period. | 00:50 |
| polo | you can have the most secure system but someone bypasses all your security layer because a person forgot to lock their pc | 00:50 |
| boomercore_ | ah perhaps. | 00:50 |
| boomercore_ | polo, true but i always count on that being a real possibility. | 00:51 |
| polo | a system is only as secure as its weakest link | 00:51 |
| polo | but yeah, i get what youre saying | 00:51 |
| boomercore_ | absolutely | 00:52 |
| TomyWork | how big corps use horizon is by setting up virtual desktops for people to connect to and work on, including handling sensitive data. the connection to the hypervisor platform, I agree, should be done via a VPN or a local network. but unlike VNC, it's (supposed to be) secure enough on its own that it doesn't need an additional layer, like tunneling through SSH | 00:54 |
| boomercore_ | TomyWork, yeah makes sense in a consumer environment. You're right. | 00:55 |
| polo | Especially if your target audience is for an example construction workers | 00:55 |
| boomercore_ | I work 100% on the server side (development actually but have to delve into devops on occasion which i really don't prefer). | 00:55 |
| polo | they're not gonna connect through ssh | 00:55 |
| TomyWork | when I used VNC, I intentially set the password to something obviously insecure and wrapped the whole thing in a websocket with authentication at the reverse proxy in front of it | 00:56 |
| polo | the boss doesnt care about app security | 00:57 |
| polo | They mostly always take the cheapest options | 00:58 |
| polo | development time costs them a lot | 00:58 |
| polo | spending an additional 50k just for security is abstract for them | 00:59 |
| polo | and the police will catch a lot of intruders | 01:00 |
| polo | either way | 01:00 |
| boomercore_ | they have zero idea how much all of this stuff costs really. | 01:02 |
| boomercore_ | government kind of does and they have to pay for it. it's just scary. | 01:02 |
| polo | theres a government office who got held by a ransomware over here and the government sent their team of hackers to find who did it | 01:03 |
| oerheks | lets get back to ubuntu support, thanks | 01:03 |
| oerheks | join #conspiracy on #oftc or somthing | 01:03 |
| boomercore_ | we're here for support questions oerheks, that hasn't changed. | 01:03 |
| polo | and the police ended up catching the guy who did it | 01:03 |
| oerheks | boomercore_, this goes beyond suport | 01:03 |
| boomercore_ | oerheks, yeah but was anything missed? | 01:04 |
| oerheks | !offtopic | 01:04 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 01:04 |
| boomercore_ | still but has there been any harm in discussing these definitely related real-world topics? | 01:04 |
| TomyWork | not sure why "police helps companies find out who ransomwared them" is conspiracy tbh | 01:04 |
| boomercore_ | yep. fact-based. no one can deny that. | 01:05 |
| polo | its not a conspiracy | 01:05 |
| polo | the police is paid for that | 01:05 |
| polo | its their job | 01:05 |
| oerheks | stop it, polo | 01:05 |
| boomercore_ | why? nothing he or TomyWork said was wrong. | 01:06 |
| oerheks | boomercore_, too | 01:06 |
| TomyWork | yeah I think you owe polo an apology for implying they're a conspiracy theorist | 01:06 |
| boomercore_ | I would think this discussion would be good for anyone who is serious about consulting "ubuntu-support" | 01:06 |
| boomercore_ | anyhoo, I'll leave it at that. </salute> | 01:07 |
| TomyWork | anyway, I'm out for today, good riddance with your installation, polo | 01:07 |
| oerheks | join #ubuntu-discuss for that, but you are likely searching for #politics | 01:07 |
| boomercore_ | not likely at all. but you do you. | 01:07 |
| boomercore_ | Later TW | 01:08 |
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| eelstrebor | UndrWater, thanks but that link keeps crashing, going to the FAQ i end up going to deadlinks | 01:19 |
| NewtonTrendy | is it possible to disable snap and still get a normal install running | 01:47 |
| toddc | NewtonTrendy: uninstall and remove snaps after install yes but why? | 01:49 |
| NewtonTrendy | toddc: because it could be snap causing emergency mode | 01:53 |
| sarnold | what's emergency mode? | 01:56 |
| NewtonTrendy | sarnold: im guessing you know this?? | 01:59 |
| NewtonTrendy | it boots up but doesnt get into the graphical desktop, sometimes it tries when i type exit in emergency mode and it displays or gets stuck but quickly exits a minute later | 02:00 |
| NewtonTrendy | i have udev-worker warning nvme1n1: process '/usr/bin/unshare -m /usr/bin/ auto-import --mount=/dev/nvme1n1' failed with exit code 1 | 02:01 |
| sarnold | NewtonTrendy: well,there's a few things that might be an emergency mode .. the grub menu item starts a rescue thing, and if your video drivers are busted I've seen X11 start a very low resolution display that might be called emergency mode, but I haven't seen it in a while | 02:02 |
| NewtonTrendy | and udev-worker warning nvme1n1: process '/usrCC/bin/unshare -m /usr/bin/ auto-import --mount=/dev/nvme0n1' failed with exit code 1 | 02:02 |
| sarnold | /usrCC/ ?? | 02:02 |
| NewtonTrendy | and udev-worker warning nvme1n1: process '/usrCC/bin/unshare -m /usr/bin/*snap* auto-import --mount=/dev/nvme0n1' failed with exit code 1 | 02:02 |
| NewtonTrendy | typo sorry | 02:02 |
| NewtonTrendy | no CC | 02:03 |
| NewtonTrendy | dont where those typos came from | 02:03 |
| NewtonTrendy | sarnold: yeah it says emergency mode but doesnt seem to be a problem with resolution | 02:04 |
| NewtonTrendy | its made it into graphicsl desktop looking fine but then quits | 02:04 |
| sarnold | NewtonTrendy: weird :/ | 02:04 |
| NewtonTrendy | yes | 02:04 |
| sarnold | NewtonTrendy: can you log in via the console? text mode thing? I'm curious what's in journalctl output | 02:04 |
| NewtonTrendy | yes i can, what are you looking for, how do i export the thing for you? | 02:05 |
| sarnold | awww crud my favorite pastebin site seems down :( | 02:07 |
| NewtonTrendy | i have a pastebin on my server | 02:08 |
| sarnold | oh! lovely | 02:08 |
| NewtonTrendy | do you want dmest | 02:08 |
| NewtonTrendy | mesg | 02:08 |
| NewtonTrendy | i would need to copy the file i dont know the command line way to paste | 02:09 |
| sarnold | yeah, and maybe journalctl -e | tail 200 or something? | 02:09 |
| NewtonTrendy | ok | 02:09 |
| sarnold | that's the thing :( my favorite pastebin had an easy way to submit content via netcat | 02:09 |
| NewtonTrendy | trying to uninstall mixx right now, but it keeps dropping back to the emergency mode prompt :/ | 02:09 |
| NewtonTrendy | *mixxx | 02:09 |
| sarnold | there's a pastebinit program that used to be awesome but now it's mostly broken | 02:10 |
| NewtonTrendy | ok give me a min | 02:10 |
| NewtonTrendy | are you sure you want -e? | 02:11 |
| sarnold | that limits the output to the most recent thousand-ish lines .. otherwise mine always seems to start weeks earlier | 02:12 |
| NewtonTrendy | do you want journalctl -xb? | 02:12 |
| NewtonTrendy | also whats the command to write to file i cant remember?? :/ | 02:13 |
| NewtonTrendy | | cat abdc.txt doesnt do it | 02:13 |
| sarnold | > abcd.txt | 02:13 |
| NewtonTrendy | ty | 02:13 |
| sarnold | I never really got the hang of the journalctl "boots" list ... somehow it never seems to work like I expect | 02:14 |
| NewtonTrendy | https://privatebin.fellowship.monster/?7cd5078efa75ef0a#4hFmEpCBfbirFu27VdmJBEc8zswpbbhDn7i8QcQmDJBz | 02:15 |
| sarnold | omg how is it april 5 already | 02:16 |
| NewtonTrendy | erm not sure | 02:17 |
| NewtonTrendy | doesnt seem right | 02:17 |
| sarnold | I could swear it was just 1999 the other day | 02:17 |
| NewtonTrendy | it was only just 2004 | 02:17 |
| NewtonTrendy | you want dmesg too | 02:19 |
| NewtonTrendy | i'll paste | 02:19 |
| sarnold | please | 02:19 |
| NewtonTrendy | https://privatebin.fellowship.monster/?4f86abc04fcd2c26#5MozStZyCqduyce8D9W7ZKj1Z4ZBC4zd2xgJRB2PsaDY | 02:20 |
| NewtonTrendy | this isnt actually from this exact boot but is recent | 02:20 |
| NewtonTrendy | do you want one from this exact boot? | 02:21 |
| sarnold | yes, please | 02:21 |
| NewtonTrendy | i'll be a min | 02:21 |
| sarnold | is this one a known good boot or a bad boot? | 02:21 |
| NewtonTrendy | this same problem just a few days ago | 02:21 |
| sarnold | have you had success mixing nvidia and virtualbox modules in the same system? | 02:22 |
| sarnold | I wouldn't be surprised if neither of them has put much effort into testing with the other one | 02:22 |
| NewtonTrendy | i didnt realise i was doing that | 02:23 |
| NewtonTrendy | https://privatebin.fellowship.monster/?23922398ea6760c3#BV5mBKvNtFkYRoKz27pFFE9MnFqSnu61F63afwBGRjeE | 02:23 |
| NewtonTrendy | should be this boot | 02:23 |
| sarnold | it has the feeling of something that might work fine for a few kernel releases and then fall over on an update.. | 02:24 |
| NewtonTrendy | i was playing around with getting docker containers to use nvidia | 02:24 |
| NewtonTrendy | is that virtualbox? | 02:24 |
| sarnold | probably not, docker on linux doesn't use any virtualization things, afaik | 02:25 |
| NewtonTrendy | oh ok | 02:25 |
| NewtonTrendy | im not acutally sure if i was playing with virtualbox or not, did you see soemthing about it in the debug logs? | 02:25 |
| sarnold | yeah, both dmesgs, near the end, eg: | 02:26 |
| sarnold | [ 98.497729] kernel: vboxdrv: Found 12 processor cores/threads | 02:26 |
| sarnold | there's a few lines there | 02:26 |
| NewtonTrendy | hmmm | 02:26 |
| sarnold | oh this seems familiar | 02:26 |
| sarnold | did you install the virtualbox guest additions on the physical machine? | 02:26 |
| NewtonTrendy | maybe i can try uninstalling from emergency prmpt? | 02:26 |
| NewtonTrendy | quite possibly | 02:26 |
| NewtonTrendy | i dont actually remember doing anything with virtualbox | 02:27 |
| NewtonTrendy | why does it fail at uninstalling an app and drop back to the same emergency prompt | 02:27 |
| sarnold | very good question | 02:27 |
| sarnold | try: sudo apt purge 'virtualbox*' | 02:28 |
| NewtonTrendy | seems to have hung | 02:28 |
| sarnold | oh my. | 02:29 |
| NewtonTrendy | cursor flashing nothing happening not dropped to prompt again yet tho | 02:29 |
| NewtonTrendy | it dropped to prompt again when trying to uninstall mixxx | 02:29 |
| sarnold | if you have to reboot this thing, hold down the left shift key while booting and select whatever that recovery mode option is, this feels unhappy.. | 02:29 |
| sarnold | aha | 02:29 |
| NewtonTrendy | yeah dropped to prompt again | 02:30 |
| sarnold | if you've got a prompt, just try that sudo apt purge 'virtualbox*' | 02:30 |
| NewtonTrendy | thats what i did | 02:30 |
| sarnold | I expect it to fail what with this mixxx thing going on, but I'm also hopeful it'll give a good error message | 02:30 |
| NewtonTrendy | try again? | 02:30 |
| sarnold | yeah | 02:30 |
| NewtonTrendy | nothing [Y/n]\nYou are in emerrgency mode | 02:31 |
| NewtonTrendy | i just tried again | 02:31 |
| NewtonTrendy | looks like the same thing might happen | 02:31 |
| sarnold | i'm just hoping that doing it from the console won't wipe error messages | 02:32 |
| NewtonTrendy | will reboot and try again, apt was working fine until todays updates, where it hung half way through | 02:33 |
| NewtonTrendy | systemctl reboot drops to the emergency mode prompt again too now | 02:35 |
| sarnold | dang what an unhappy sounding system :/ | 02:36 |
| NewtonTrendy | yeah :/ | 02:36 |
| NewtonTrendy | guess i will mirror the home dirs and reinstall if this doesnt work | 02:37 |
| sarnold | this is a *big* guess here .. what's the name of that mixxx package? is it literally 'mixxx'? I'm thinking mkdir ~/foo ; sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/mixxx.p* ~/foo | 02:38 |
| NewtonTrendy | recovery is booting to emergency mode with a messed up dialog | 02:38 |
| NewtonTrendy | apt ENTER p: command not found | 02:39 |
| NewtonTrendy | my days | 02:40 |
| sarnold | waaaaat? | 02:40 |
| NewtonTrendy | im not sure how this happened | 02:40 |
| NewtonTrendy | ok new install | 02:46 |
| sarnold | :( | 02:46 |
| sarnold | I hoped that the thing could be salvaged :( | 02:46 |
| sarnold | good luck NewtonTrendy :) | 02:46 |
| NewtonTrendy | its messing up the recovery prompt now so i cant work with it :( | 02:47 |
| NewtonTrendy | thanks though :) | 02:47 |
| sarnold | cripes | 02:47 |
| sarnold | there was a segfault in one of those logs | 02:47 |
| sarnold | it might be worth running memtest86 on this thing overnight | 02:47 |
| sarnold | segfaults can happen for completely boring reasons, so I didn't focus on it, but it's a possibility | 02:48 |
| sarnold | and these screwed up prompts and missing letters and so on feel *weird* | 02:48 |
| NewtonTrendy | is one of my gpus broken, i should have said i think its possible one of them got fried from heat | 02:48 |
| sarnold | that sounds pretty plausible too | 02:48 |
| NewtonTrendy | :( | 02:49 |
| NewtonTrendy | is there not a netinstall disk anymore? | 02:54 |
| NewtonTrendy | i only have a 4gb usb rn | 02:55 |
| sarnold | omg 5.9 gb | 02:55 |
| sarnold | you could download the server installer, that looks like it's only 3gb | 02:56 |
| sarnold | once you're installed, sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop would bring in all the right packages. I don't know if that'd exactly the same end result, but it'd be something you can do with the memory stick you've got now | 02:56 |
| NewtonTrendy | thanks | 02:57 |
| NewtonTrendy | when i selecte "try or intstall ubuntu server" it goes straight to install and no option to try it | 03:17 |
| sarnold | hrmph this dude's video doesn't show what's in the 'help' menu .. iirc there's a shell prompt somewhere in that help menu | 03:20 |
| dbbs | When I try and run synaptic this window pops up and I've grepped through my /etc/apt folder for any oracular-backports reference and it doesn't exist. on 25.04 Plucky Beta | 03:21 |
| dbbs | https://0x0.st/8_i0.png | 03:21 |
| sarnold | dbbs: how about just the word 'backports' on its own? | 03:22 |
| dbbs | sarnold I think I checked that everywhere but let me double check | 03:23 |
| dbbs | found some, it shouldn't be reading the commented out ones in ubuntu.sources so the only one I see is 50unattended-upgrades in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ | 03:26 |
| dbbs | https://0x0.st/8_iD.png | 03:26 |
| sarnold | hrm, those look likely to be at their defaults | 03:27 |
| sarnold | does apt itself work fine? | 03:28 |
| dbbs | oh yeah | 03:29 |
| dbbs | it works perfectly fine | 03:29 |
| dbbs | apt, apt-get, aptitude, all 3 run fine. | 03:30 |
| sarnold | are there synaptic-specific configs? /etc/*synaptic*? | 03:30 |
| dbbs | no.... | 03:31 |
| sarnold | hrmph. | 03:31 |
| sarnold | apt policy? | 03:31 |
| sarnold | (I'm not hopeful, but it's easy to ask ..) | 03:31 |
| dbbs | all fine | 03:32 |
| sarnold | dang. | 03:32 |
| dbbs | Yeah I'm pretty stumped | 03:32 |
| sarnold | it's grasping at straws ... maybe delete everything in /var/lib/apt/lists/*.* -- that'll cause you to redownload *all* the apt lists the next update, not just the changed onces | 03:33 |
| sarnold | s/onces/ones/ | 03:33 |
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| dbbs | no :( | 03:34 |
| sarnold | dang :( | 03:34 |
| sarnold | all i've got left is to suggest looking through logs in /var/log/ or journalctl, or finding out what files it is reading with something like opensnoop-bpfcc or what its executing with execsnoop-bpfcc | 03:35 |
| sarnold | maybe something will stand out | 03:35 |
| dbbs | how do I even do that | 03:37 |
| dbbs | chatgpt tried me ot do something like that and filled my home folder with log files lol | 03:38 |
| sarnold | hah :) | 03:38 |
| sarnold | classic bots | 03:38 |
| dbbs | Yeah I know | 03:38 |
| sarnold | I was just thinking of running "journalctl -f" in one terminal, starting synaptic, and seeing if there are new entries printed | 03:39 |
| dbbs | "tried to *get me* to do" is what I meant | 03:39 |
| dbbs | ok | 03:39 |
| sarnold | similar with opensnoop-bpfcc or execsnoop-bpfcc -- just run them in a terminal, run the thing, see what they do and try to figure out if its related or not. there might be a lot of unrelated stuff. | 03:39 |
| sarnold | (those last two will require sudo) | 03:40 |
| dbbs | something to do with systemd? | 03:42 |
| dbbs | https://0x0.st/8_i5.png | 03:42 |
| sarnold | probably not that | 03:42 |
| dbbs | are you sure | 03:44 |
| dbbs | that sysstat collect service | 03:44 |
| dbbs | could be collecting the wrong name of my distro version somehow | 03:44 |
| dbbs | yeah | 03:45 |
| dbbs | I could be wrong | 03:45 |
| sarnold | if it were related, I'd be surprised at both sysstat and synaptic :) | 03:45 |
| dbbs | okay what's this execnoon-bpfcc thing, should I have it preinstalled or do I need a package? | 03:46 |
| dbbs | execsnoop-bpfcc * | 03:46 |
| sarnold | it's in it's in bpfcc-tools | 03:47 |
| sarnold | sheesh, that's the writing i've got tonight? | 03:47 |
| dbbs | it's okay i got it too | 03:47 |
| dbbs | i already have it | 03:47 |
| dbbs | do I just run sudo execsnoop-bpfcc synaptic | 03:48 |
| dbbs | Oh my god | 03:48 |
| dbbs | synaptic works fine if I run it without admin privileges | 03:48 |
| dbbs | somehow the root user is the problem | 03:48 |
| sarnold | weird | 03:49 |
| sarnold | very weird | 03:49 |
| sarnold | check around /root/.synaptic or /root/.config/synaptic or something similar? | 03:49 |
| sarnold | that wouldn't be very friendly of them, it doesn't remotely feel like a program that should have per-user configuration | 03:49 |
| sarnold | dbbs: I've got to run, have a good night, good luck :) | 03:50 |
| dbbs | thanks sarnold | 03:50 |
| dbbs | have a good night too | 03:50 |
| sarnold | :) | 03:50 |
| dbbs | haha | 03:51 |
| dbbs | sarnold I fixed it | 03:51 |
| dbbs | Deleting the /root/.synaptic folder did it | 03:51 |
| dbbs | thanks for pushing me in the right direction | 03:52 |
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| dbbs | I have another problem | 04:30 |
| dbbs | if anyone can replicate it | 04:30 |
| dbbs | err not replicate it | 04:30 |
| dbbs | help fix it | 04:31 |
| dbbs | When I try to install global themes in Plasma 6.3.4 Installation of /tmp/sLOAtQ-Chocula.tar.xz failed: Could not install dependency: 'kns://colorschemes.knsrc/api.kde-look.org/2198929' | 04:34 |
| dbbs | Sorry it's everything after the 4, the error message | 04:34 |
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| Lycomedes | hi, I'm running 24.04, and sometimes when I login, gnome terminal and nautilus take forever to start, and when they eventually appear, they don't have dark theme even if I've enabled it from the menu; the problem goes away after a few cycles of starting/closing them and enabling/disabling dark theme | 06:28 |
| mintajek | hello | 06:52 |
| DocMors | Lycomedes, YOU COULD USE gnome-logs TO TRACK THAT. | 06:57 |
| DocMors | sorry for the caps | 06:58 |
| DocMors | well and systemd-analyze blame tells you what is taking the longest | 07:08 |
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