[01:25] <MJCD> when running xubuntu in virtualbox with all the hardware accel options turned on (3d, VT-X, etc) - do I want to go for the kernels and xorg stuff marked 'hwe' ?
[01:25] <MJCD> ps: sent here by #vbox
[01:26] <JackFrost> 'hardware enablement stack' just means kernels/etc from newer releases, this tends to be useful if you have newer hardware and the kernel support is suboptimal.
[01:27] <MJCD> hm I see
[01:27] <MJCD> so i'd probably be better off with the more stable mainstream ones
[01:28] <MJCD> even though the versions are the same
[01:28] <MJCD> lol
[01:28] <MJCD> that's confusing
[01:28] <MJCD> you'd think newer features would just be... newer releases
[01:29] <JackFrost> Bionic comes with 4.15.x, hwe is linux-tools-4.18.0-15-generic, soo...That looks like a newer release to me!
[01:36] <MJCD> what I mean is like
[01:36] <MJCD> 4.15.x has a hwe module
[01:36] <MJCD> the same as 4.18.0-15-generic does
[01:37] <MJCD> so 4.15.x-hwe would seemingly have stuff from newer releases included
[01:37] <MJCD> newer than itself
[01:37] <MJCD> which seems like a bad plan
[01:37] <MJCD> right?
[01:39] <JackFrost> I'm not seeing that, though.
[01:39] <MJCD> it wont be in the bionic repo's
[01:39] <MJCD> it would be in the previous one
[01:39] <JackFrost> ...So then what's your point?
[01:40] <MJCD> My point is that it just seems a weird concept
[01:40] <JackFrost> hwe gives you newer releases than at the time of the release, rather than just being bug/security fixes.
[01:40] <MJCD> if you wanna enable next-gen stuff
[01:40] <MJCD> install a next-gen version
[01:40] <JackFrost> So then don't use them..?
[01:40] <MJCD> like having two copies of the same thing
[01:40] <MJCD> that's what I mean
[01:40] <MJCD> one with newer features from proposed
[01:40] <MJCD> that's just a newer version
[01:41] <MJCD> I don't get the hwe thing
[01:41] <JackFrost> I mentioned what the basic concept was, but..
[01:41] <JackFrost> !hwe
[01:41] <ubottu> The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[01:42] <MJCD> just seems like a complete anti-pattern
[01:42] <MJCD> as a dev
[01:43] <MJCD> like just make a new minor release :/
[01:43] <MJCD> of that package I mean
[01:43] <JackFrost> Did you read the page?
[01:44] <MJCD> "even recommended for cloud or virtual images"
[01:44] <MJCD> watttt
[01:44] <MJCD> whyyyy
[01:45] <MJCD> "The 16.04 HWE Stacks will follow a new Rolling Update Model as documented at the following location: "
[01:45] <MJCD> so i'm using LTS
[01:45] <MJCD> I am running servers obviously
[01:45] <MJCD> in VM's
[01:45] <MJCD> and it's desirable for me to have rolling updates to my kernel and graphics drivers? :|
[01:46] <MJCD> in a vm where the drivers never change
[01:46] <MJCD> or rather are seldom updated
[01:46] <JackFrost> OK, so the answer to your support question "Should I use them?" would seem to be "No."  If you disagree with them...existing, well then perhaps file a bug report or whatnot, nothing will get done if you just elaborate here.
[01:46] <MJCD> what? that page says I should use them
[01:46] <MJCD> "even recommended for cloud or virtual images"
[01:47] <JackFrost> You seem to fundamentally disagree with them, so..
[01:48] <MJCD> I'm just asking questions
[01:48] <MJCD> Like it just seems fundamentally flawed as a concept
[01:48] <JackFrost> You're not really, though.
[01:48] <MJCD> I want the latest features
[01:48] <MJCD> tbh I'm livid there isn't a release of 19
[01:48] <MJCD> because I Wanted to go full wayland
[01:49] <MJCD> so for now i'm just xorg'ing by
[01:49] <MJCD> lol
[01:49] <JackFrost> Xfce doesn't have support for wayland, and the release schedule that has been around for years means that there will be a release in a couple months...
[01:49] <MJCD> I noticed these and thouht it meant hardware enablement
[01:49] <JackFrost> !19.04
[01:49] <ubottu> Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) will be the 30th release of Ubuntu, scheduled for April 2019 (<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseSchedule#>). It will be supported for nine months.
[01:49] <MJCD> aka better support for the latest features
[01:49] <MJCD> which sounds good
[01:49] <MJCD> but I don't want 'rolling releases'
[01:50] <MJCD> of the same version
[01:50] <MJCD> but with different capabilities?
[01:50] <MJCD> how does that make sense haha
[01:50] <MJCD> and I know xfce doesn't, i'm using it for now
[01:50] <MJCD> though I do like it
[01:50] <MJCD> I also like Qt
[01:51] <MJCD> Qt5 and wayland will probably be the next thingy
[01:51] <MJCD> but unrelated
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[08:46] <EoflaOE> Today when I open my XFCE whisker menu on Xubuntu, it doesn't show categories, only Favorites, Recently used, and All. I know the search function, but I need to use categories to easily find an app
[09:11] <pfeiffer> any way to reset xfce terminal font from the command line?
[09:11] <pfeiffer> I've set it to 'clean' and everytime i try to use the Appearance menu it crashes
[09:12] <pfeiffer> .terminalrc doesn't seem to mention font
[10:00] <brainwash> pfeiffer: dot?
[10:00] <brainwash> here is xubuntu's default config https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc
[10:00] <brainwash> it has FontName
[10:13] <pfeiffer> hmmm. my terminalrc didn't have any font in it
[10:13] <pfeiffer> I'll try that ...
[10:20] <pfeiffer> brainwash, didn't work.. i've added the line: FontName=DejaVu Sans Mono 9
[10:20] <pfeiffer> logged out and back in.. still stuck on cean font and stil crashing
[10:20] <pfeiffer> clean* font