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philipacamaniacstodge: breezy hasn't quite been released, so yes, package updates could be quite numerous until Breezy is released12:07
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philipacamaniacafter release, you'll only see security fixes and major bug fixes12:08
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hyperactivecrondhmm.. what would be good to remove to make space in the kubuntu livecd?12:11
Rogue_Jedi_Xkernel. I don't use it much12:11
nicholaspaulhey libben - sorry, i was away for a while. 12:12
hyperactivecrondare you seriuos Rogue_Jedi_X 12:12
nicholaspaullibben: i can mount the cdrw ok, but i want to open the disc itself12:12
stianhchecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables12:13
stianhhmm, i am trying to compile various things from sources, but I get that12:13
Rogue_Jedi_Xhyperactivecrond: Don't be silly12:13
stianhhowever, gcc and g++ and cpp is installed12:13
stianhany suggestions?12:13
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SgepAre the PyKDE issues resolved in breezy?12:16
philipacamaniacSgep:all my Amarok scripts work, including a bunch I downloaded, so I think yes?12:17
philipacamaniacRiddell: is oem install option available for Kubuntu as well?12:18
SgepI had trouble with the PyKDE package depencencies on hoary12:18
Riddellphilipacamaniac: how do you mean?12:18
philipacamaniacRiddell: I'm seeing that there is an OEM installation method in the BreezyReleaseNotes. I assume it is on the Ubuntu CD, but I'm wondering about the Kubuntu CD12:19
philipacamaniacrather, OEM Mode12:19
Riddellphilipacamaniac: I assume so too :)12:20
philipacamaniacthat's a funny but acceptable answer...12:20
SgepIt seemed to require impossible dependencies12:21
philipacamaniacSgep: what are you trying to run12:22
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SgepTrying to download PyKDE12:22
apokryphosbusted on hoary12:23
apokryphos...unless it was fixed12:23
SgepThe question is, is it fixed in breezy?12:23
philipacamaniacsudo apt-get pykdeextensions12:23
philipacamaniacworked for me12:23
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philipacamaniacapokryphos: right click them for a special surprise12:29
apokryphosphilipacamaniac: I'm referring to ones in Konqueror URLs12:30
apokryphos(web browser mode)12:30
philipacamaniacright click save-as...12:30
apokryphosno, you can't always do that12:30
philipacamaniacnot on sourceforge anyway12:30
apokryphosespecially when you use php links to get to the deb12:30
philipacamaniacyeah - but you know how to add the file association, right?12:31
apokryphosof course12:31
apokryphosit doesn't work; try it12:31
philipacamaniacWhat did you associate it with12:32
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apokryphoskwrite of course12:34
philipacamaniacdamn you're right, doesn't make a damn difference12:35
apokryphoswhy exactly would I want a deb to open with ark? I hardly extract them on any regular basis12:35
philipacamaniacyeah, but what else is there? kpackage?12:35
philipacamaniacadept doesn't handle opening deb files.12:35
apokryphosbingo! Or any other package manager. Though I'd make it ask me to save it to a location12:36
apokryphos*any other working12:36
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philipacamaniacso what's the problem12:37
apokryphosbut hey :)12:37
philipacamaniacwith the file association, that is12:37
apokryphosthe problem of course was it opening debs in kate12:37
apokryphoshardly expected or ever-wanted behaviour12:37
apokryphosoh, right, sorry -- I don't know12:37
apokryphosit's been there for ages though12:37
apokryphosI'll just bug report12:38
philipacamaniacI'm going to look into that, because it is bothersome12:38
philipacamaniacgtg for now12:38
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apokryphosanyone have any thoughts on the current ksplash for breezy?12:49
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propagandhii dont like it much at all12:52
propagandhibut as its not hard to change, its no biggy12:53
god-zeroapokryphos: The "window" in the center looks like it's for some icons, but I see none. I switched to the old kde style12:53
propagandhiI still think there's heaps of cool kde enhancements that should have been incorporated in this release12:54
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apokryphosgod-zero: nope, it's meant to be like that. Seems really odd to me too12:56
apokryphospropagandhi: what like?12:56
apokryphosa lot of things just didn't make it in time12:56
propagandhilike yakuake for example12:57
propagandhieasy addon there12:57
apokryphoserr, you do know when that came out right?12:57
god-zerowhat exactly is yakuake? a console?12:58
apokryphosyeah, with a few cool affects/convenientisms12:58
propagandhieven the default install should be skinned a little nicer12:58
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apokryphosit would've been nice to get in moodin ideally, but hey12:59
apokryphospropagandhi: what other things are missing?01:00
propagandhii'm not saying anythings missing persay, just that a few added enhancements, such as skins, themes, window decorations, icons01:00
propagandhiwould have made it slighter nicer than it already is01:00
apokryphosaddons or alteration of the default look?01:01
propagandhialteration of the default look wouldnt hurt much either01:01
apokryphoswhat would you change?01:01
propagandhito a user who says "I think i might try Kubuntu" the default look is quite bland I am sure most would agree01:01
propagandhiI mean a Kubuntu KBFX theme would rock01:02
propagandhithe kmenu in itself is very dull01:02
propagandhiand kbfx is pretty flexible01:02
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propagandhiwhen I install any distro the first thing that happens is i spend a couple hours making it look nice, new users would get lost in that process01:03
apokryphosMe too01:03
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apokryphosnot if they used Help01:04
apokryphosand headed to the userguide, which explains all of that stuff01:04
apokryphosthough it doesn't take me a couple of hours :P01:04
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propagandhii suppose it depends how fussy you are01:04
propagandhibut all in all dont you agree the default install is very plain?01:05
apokryphosit's quite contrary to my aesthetic preferences, but I can understand their decisions01:05
propagandhiwell, I'm not questioning their decisions, i am just providing my opinion which on many counts has been known to be wrong01:06
apokryphoswhat's your current appearance&themes setup like?01:06
apokryphosack, be back in a sec01:07
propagandhiwell currently its not the greatest - http://www.welldone.com.au/linux/snapshot8.jpg and http://www.welldone.com.au/linux/snapshot9.jpg01:07
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propagandhiapokryphos: well currently its not the greatest - http://www.welldone.com.au/linux/snapshot8.jpg and http://www.welldone.com.au/linux/snapshot9.jpg01:09
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apokryphosinteresting look01:10
cynehow do i find out my version of x.org?01:10
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propagandhiyeah i change mine all the time though01:11
propagandhiwhats yours like at the moment01:11
apokryphosI used to, but don't find myself with as much effort to investigate as much lately; ok, one sec, I'll screeny01:12
propagandhianybody else here like to share their theme/setup01:13
apokryphosnikkia: note all the kvirc colour changes :P01:15
propagandhihow did u get the window transparency01:15
apokryphoscomposite extension01:15
nikkiahmmm, don't like the way you have the user list tho01:16
apokryphoswhat other way is there?01:16
propagandhiI'm using opera for IRC01:16
apokryphoshow is it?01:16
nikkiaapokryphos: http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/kvirc.png01:16
propagandhireallyy nice i reckon01:16
apokryphosI used it briefly once, and it wasn't too bad. Better than chatzilla as I recall it01:16
Tm_Tirssi <301:17
propagandhiyeah, well with 8.5 and the skins u can get now01:17
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apokryphosah yes, must remove those evil lines01:17
propagandhinikkia: how about your desktop/panel etc?01:17
propagandhifolders etc01:17
nikkiayou know i don't go for eye candy :P01:18
propagandhiha ha, fair enough then01:18
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nikkiaapokryphos: its also REALLY spaced out on your screenshot, must make #kubuntu go on forever :P01:19
nikkiaand you don't have activity indicators turned on :)01:19
SgepIs there an online map of how the compose key works by default in Kubuntu?01:20
apokryphosnikkia: hm, I don't see the option for less-spaced out01:21
apokryphosbut of course I have those annoying indicators off :P01:21
apokryphosas are all the annoying icons (/me forgets their name)01:21
apokryphosI figure I just make the messages in different colour instead of having those01:22
apokryphoskonversation style oO01:23
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nikkiaanyway, bedtime for me01:27
nikkiastill trying to get over this fever, so an early night :)01:27
apokryphosand get well :)01:27
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jeroenvrphi folks01:43
jeroenvrpI am downloading the 5.10rc now01:43
jeroenvrpis it easy to upgrade to the 5.10 final?01:43
jeroenvrpfrom the rc?01:43
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Lord_AthurI've problems01:47
Lord_AthurI cannot use the floppy friver01:47
Lord_Athurdriver :P01:47
Lord_AthurWhat should I do?01:47
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Lord_AthurCan someone help me?01:48
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eckharti need the (k)ubuntu breezy sources.list file01:58
eckhartwhere can i find it?01:59
eckharti.e. i suspect my current sources.list file being broken02:00
eckhartas i have several broken deps in the form "adept: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not going to be installed"02:01
JuerdDo usage statistics of ubuntu vs kubuntu exist?02:01
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Juerdeckhart: I don't have the original, but if you want, you can have mine02:02
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eckhartJuerd: that would be fine02:03
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eckhartjust the important lines please02:03
Latemjust wandering, anyone know when is Kubuntu 5.10 final suppose to come out?02:03
cddesjarcould someone check this out for me02:04
cddesjari am trying to install staroffice 802:04
cddesjarand i can't get the core4u installed02:04
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propagandhicddesjar: hoary?02:04
Juerdeckhart: http://pastebot.nd.edu/12802:05
cddesjarit wants me to install kdelibs402:05
cddesjarand another package02:05
Juerdcddesjar: Is there a specific reason you need staroffice?02:05
propagandhicddesjar: are you using kde 3.5 beta?02:05
cddesjarnot really....i think it's a little nicer than oo.org2 and spell check works02:05
Juerdcddesjar: Most of openoffice.org2, default in breezy, is the same02:05
JuerdI see02:05
cddesjari am using kde3.5beta02:06
cddesjarmy heart isn't broken if i can't use staroffice but it would be nice...i got it for free cause i'm a student02:07
propagandhicddesjar: have you tried apt-get install kdelibs4-dev02:07
cddesjarit gives me a lot of unmet dependencies...about 2002:07
cddesjarshould i be running adept or apt-get?02:07
propagandhicddesjar: dont matter02:08
cddesjari didn't think it would02:08
propagandhii dont have any unmet dependencies02:09
propagandhican you paste your sources.list02:09
propagandhiin the pastebin02:09
eckhartJuerd: thanks, i'll try it02:09
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cddesjarok...i uninstalled the core4u02:10
cddesjarand now i can install kdelibs4-dev02:10
cddesjari'll try to reinstall core4u after02:10
propagandhiyeah fair enough02:10
cddesjarit also wants this02:10
propagandhiyep, so you can install that too02:11
cddesjarso that's a real package?02:11
propagandhiinstall libqt3-mt and libqt3-mt-dev02:12
CavalierBobHi all!02:12
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stodgeYes it works fine under Fluxbox, but not KDE02:13
stodgeOops wrong window02:13
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cddesjardamn it...it's telling me the same damn thing again02:14
CavalierBobI see there is a KDE 3.4.3 repo now at the Kubuntu site. Haven't seen any announcement anywhere. Anyone know what's up? 02:14
propagandhiCavalierBob: theres also 3.5 beta too02:14
strike4ceThis is awesome!  I love Kubunta02:15
strike4ceI just installed and am running. What do I do next?02:15
CavalierBobpropagandhi: Yeah, knew the 3.5 beta was there. The 3.4.3 repo is dated today. Surprised no release news anywhere.02:16
chavostrike4ce, idle in IRC02:16
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propagandhistrike4ce: good stuff02:16
Lord_AthurHow can I mount the floppy driver? but with access for use the floppy disk?02:16
strike4cepropagandhi: I got it setup right this time02:17
cddesjari think i like synaptic better adept...at least at the moment02:18
propagandhicddesjar: i agree02:19
propagandhiadept is a bit messier i reckon02:19
cddesjaradept seems to bulky and cumbersome02:19
cddesjarand it's hard to install/remove multiple things at one time02:19
cddesjardoes anyone know if i should keep my kde 3.5 beta repositories?02:21
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cddesjaror are they a one time thing?02:22
CaseysZgood evening everyone02:22
CaseysZi am getting kernel panics when trying to boot the Hoary live cd on my G502:23
stodgeHow can I get kubuntu to play multiple sounds at once?02:24
stodgeIf I'm listening to music and a sound occurs I get an error02:24
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CaseysZi am using 'live-power4 video=ofonly' as the boot option.  any ideas?02:25
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StRHi all!02:26
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strike4ceShould I do the Kynaptic upgrade?02:36
cddesjarwhy would you strike?02:39
cddesjari mean wouldn't you02:39
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strike4ceIs it like windows update?02:40
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fatejudgerdoes anyone know a good repository to get the firefox beta?02:41
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strike4ceI dont know any good suppositories02:41
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Hobbseemorning all02:45
strike4cecan you see me02:47
strike4ceim lagged a little02:48
Hobbsee*looks around for strike4ce*  nope, cant see you with my eyes covered :P02:48
Hobbseeah right, lagging by how much?02:48
strike4cei dunno ping me02:49
Hobbseeah yes, that's the optoin i wanted, i tried via whois02:49
Hobbseeping took 2 seconds02:49
strike4ceHobbsee: 2 seconds02:50
Hobbseeshows the lag down the bottom of my screen at 202ms, got no idea how that relates02:51
Hobbseealthough if yours is lagging, wouldnt it lag before it got to my computer, and then lagging again to reply?02:51
strike4ceI dunno probably02:52
Hobbseelol...that requires way too much thinking to figure out!02:52
strike4ceHow can I tell if the hoary or breezy drivers are working with my graphics card02:52
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Hobbseeum...it doesnt look to be lsmod, but ought to be something similar02:54
cddesjarkonversation is so much better than ksirc02:54
Tm_Tirssi is the best02:55
Hobbseenever tried ksirc, konversatoin is nice though02:55
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Hobbseehmmm...no ksirc that i can see in breezy...oh well02:55
cddesjari've never tried irssi i hear it's good02:55
cddesjaryeah ksirc was a piece of crap02:55
Tm_Tcddesjar: try it02:55
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cddesjari'll be...it worked this time02:59
Hobbseecddesjar: what worked this time?02:59
cddesjarmy staroffice 8 installation02:59
jesusfishis KDE 3.4.3 supposed to replace my 3.5 beta1 packages?03:00
cddesjarbefore it wasn't letting me install a package03:00
cddesjarother way around jesus03:00
jesusfishcddesjar: ya, it's supposed to be, but if I do dist-upgrade, my 3.5 packages are being replaced03:01
Hobbseejesusfish: i dont think so, were you wanting it to?03:01
jesusfishHobbsee: nope03:01
Hobbseedid you change teh 3.5 packages to breezy?03:01
jesusfishHobbsee: sorry?03:01
Hobbseeie. the repository entry for it?03:01
Hobbsee#KDE 3.5 Beta03:02
Hobbseedeb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main03:02
Hobbseedeb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta1/kubuntu breezy main03:02
Hobbseeie those are the breezy reps to get it from03:02
jesusfishHobbsee: ya, that's what I had from the start03:02
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Hobbseeso if you didnt change the hoary reps to breezy ones, it wouldnt surprise me if they get overwritten03:02
Hobbseewhy?  arent you on hoary now?03:02
jesusfishHobbsee: nope03:03
Hobbseethen where are you dist upgrading to?03:03
propagandhijesusfish: you shouldnt install kde 3.4.3 if you're using beta 3.503:03
jesusfishHobbsee: I've had breezy for a while, but this dist-upgrade, it started "upgrading" my 3.5 to 3.4.303:03
jesusfishpropagandhi: ^03:03
Hobbseeif you've already got breezy, why dist upgrade?03:04
propagandhiyou dont upgrade 3.5 to 3.4.303:04
jesusfishHobbsee: tp upgrade to the newer revisions03:04
jesusfishpropagandhi: no kidding03:04
Hobbseeyou should just be using sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade03:05
Hobbseeno dist-upgrade in there03:05
jesusfishHobbsee: never really have understood the difference03:05
Hobbseedist-upgrade = distrobution upgrade03:05
jesusfishHobbsee: so in the end, what does it do differently?03:05
jesusfishI've always wondered...lol03:05
Hobbseeie upgradign from warty to hoary, or from hoary to breezy, or from breezy to dapper (in a few days)03:06
Hobbseewell, if your sources list is changed, it'll upgrade you to the next version, which is probably very buggy03:06
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Hobbseeso upgrade just upgrades all your packages, and makes you still run breezy03:07
Hobbseedist upgrade will try and upgrade you to the next version, dapper03:08
jesusfishHobbsee: would it do that if you had specified breezy in the source list?  I thought it wouldn't touch the source list03:08
Hobbseei'm not sure, but would i want to run the risk using the wrong command?  probably not03:09
jesusfishHobbsee: ya, I always just used dist03:10
jesusfishHobbsee: regardless, upgrade still wants to "upgrade" my KDE03:11
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Hobbseetrue.  upgrade is the command you are supposed to use, and upgrade has 5 less characters than dist-upgrade :P03:11
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Hobbseejesusfish: there has been new versions of kde 3.5 beta coming out03:11
Hobbseethey've been coming down to me for a few days, adn i'm still showing as running kde 3.5 beta03:12
jesusfishdist-upgrade  in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing depen03:12
jesusfish              dencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and  it  will  at03:12
jesusfish              tempt  to  upgrade  the  most  important  packages  at the expense of less important ones if necessary03:12
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jesusfishew, that's messy looking03:12
Hobbseejust check if it really is sending you to 3.4.3, or if it's just upgrade of 3.503:12
jesusfishbut there's your difference03:12
Hobbseewhere'd you find that?03:13
jesusfishman page03:13
Hobbseeah right03:14
jesusfishso basically, upgrade won't remove package03:14
jesusfishdist will03:15
jesusfishthat's what I kinda thought....dist just does a bit more than upgrade03:15
Hobbseemmm ok03:15
Hobbseewhich goes against what the faq says about updating your system manually :P03:15
Hobbseewhat version does it say it will update the kde packages to?03:16
Hobbseethat seems to be a later update of kde 3.5 beta03:17
jesusfishare you sure?03:17
jesusfishI thought beta was 3.4.9103:18
Hobbseewell, a lot of my programs are showing that, and i'm definetly running the beta03:18
jesusfishit doesn't update all of the packages, just some03:18
jesusfishunless they labelled the new packages wrong03:19
jesusfishtry checking kmail03:19
Hobbseeakregator is showing in synaptic as 4:3.4.3 but is showing in about akregator that it's the 1.1.3 using kde beta 3.4.9103:20
Hobbseesame with kmail03:20
jesusfishif kde-libs is 3.5 beta, it'll always show KDE as using 3.4.9103:21
Hobbseeif you want, ask Riddell - he's the one that does all the packaging03:22
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jesusfishHobbsee: ah, I think I see the issue now03:24
Hobbseeoh yes? what do you see?03:24
jesusfishHobbsee: the 3.5 beta only has the KDE base, not the apps like KMail, etc in it03:24
jesusfishHobbsee: so it's upgrading the packages from 3.4.2 to 3.4.303:25
jesusfishHobbsee: ...and I think I'll stick with my dist-upgrade :)03:25
Hobbseelol...go for it03:25
jesusfishHobbsee: worked for a few years now03:25
jesusfishHobbsee: can't hurt too much03:25
Hobbseetrue, i suppose if it does screw up, you can always reinstall your system03:26
jesusfishnot like it's hard03:26
jesusfishmost stuff can be fixed without reinstall anyways03:26
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strike4ceCan you download mp3s and play withkubunta?03:29
cddesjarif you are migrating from debian and you convert RPMs via alien in debian they won't work in kubuntu03:29
cddesjarjust thought i would let everyone know this03:29
cddesjaryou need to convert them again03:29
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SgepWill breezy use KOffice 1.4.1?03:31
Hobbseemmm ok, i didnt know it made a difference, although i've never used debian03:31
HobbseeSgep: nope03:31
Hobbseewell, not by default, anyway03:31
Hobbseeyou can install it03:32
Hobbseestrike4ce: yes03:32
cddesjaryeah i just switched from debian basically because it's development is a little slow03:32
cddesjarbut it's a rock solid distro.03:32
Hobbseelol...like upgrading every 18 months?03:32
Hobbseeit ought to be with release cycles that logn103:33
SgepIs there a distro that has the latest software?03:33
cddesjardon't i just need w32codecs to watch Real Video03:33
cddesjarthe same folks who develop debian develop ubuntu03:33
HobbseeSgep: give me a sec03:33
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Sgephi MEtaLpREs 03:33
Hobbsee1.4.1...yep, that's there in breezy03:34
Hobbseeopenoffice.org 2 beta is the default though03:34
MEtaLpREsso how easy is the upgrade from the rc to the final release? would it be easier to just reinstall?03:35
Hobbseeyou can grab it via adept/synaptic/apt-get/installer of choice03:35
HobbseeMEtaLpREs: simple03:35
Hobbseesudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade03:35
jsubl2cddesjar, download realplayer from http://real.com/linux03:35
MEtaLpREsok, so the same as going from 5.04?03:35
cddesjarno i don't want realplayer03:35
cddesjari want to use kaffeine03:35
Hobbseegoing from 5.04 involves changing your sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade, and is far more risky03:36
Hobbseecddesjar: then why not use it?03:36
Hobbseecddesjar: or do you need the other codecs as well?03:36
HobbseeMEtaLpREs: as for updating from rc to breezy final, it's just like keeping your hoary updated, and i've been doing it for around a week with no problems03:37
cddesjari think it's the gstreamer engine03:37
cddesjari am going to install xine03:37
MEtaLpREsis there 64bit support good? i have amd64 but ive been running x86 for a while now cause 64bit support was real bad last time i tried it03:37
cddesjardoes adept use apt-get or aptitude?03:38
cddesjarthe xine engine tha tis03:38
Hobbseecddesjar: doesnt aptitude use apt-get as well?03:38
MEtaLpREssince the performance increase is so small from x86 to amd64 im not going to deal with the hassle unless they have real good support03:38
Hobbseei thought they both used apt-get, and were just GUI's for them03:38
cddesjaroh...i thought aptitude was different then apt-get03:38
HobbseeMEtaLpREs: couldnt tell you myself, i dont have an amd6403:38
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is like apt-get or synaptic, but uses a full-screen text interface, or the replacement/user front end for apt-get as of Debian Sarge03:38
cddesjarok you're right03:39
Hobbseemmm...i think they are all based on apt-get03:39
Hobbseewell, they'd have to be, otherwise they'd be based on rpms03:39
cddesjaralright that fixed my probably03:40
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cddesjarinstalling xine-engine for kaffeine allowed me to stream real video/audio03:41
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satafterhis there an msn cliat to use a cam with?03:42
cddesjaramsn is suppose to be coming out with this pretty soon, or so i hear03:43
satafterhthat would be great, no others at the moment?03:44
MEtaLpREsis the final release on the 13th with ubuntu or is kubuntu delayed?03:44
cddesjarnot that i know of03:44
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satafterhok ty03:45
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Hobbseei'm assuming it's coming on the 13th, but i dont know03:45
Hobbseeseeing as the rc came a little late03:46
satafterhis any one familar with the news scrolling you can put on your task bar? I would liek to add cnn can i do that03:46
satafterhrc and final be all that differant?03:46
Hobbseesatafterh: you mean rss feeds?03:47
satafterhyes rss i think , lol03:47
Hobbseeand no, there will be some bug fixes, and i think the packages are going from 3.4.2 to 3.4.3 in kde03:47
Hobbseeor akregator03:47
Hobbseeeither owrks03:47
satafterhhow can i add cnn03:48
Hobbseeno knewsticker in breezy, so cant help you there03:48
Hobbseeis there a button or an option makred "add feed"03:48
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satafterhusing breezy now and using knewsticker03:49
satafterhits ver 203:49
Hobbseemmm ok, i wonder why it's not on here03:49
Hobbseeoh well03:49
Hobbseesomewhere there will be a button saying add feed03:49
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Hobbseeor in the menus03:49
Hobbseethen copy the address into there, it will find the feed, and download03:49
Hobbseeif it's like akgregator, that is03:50
satafterhi found that just dont know the feed to add for cnn03:50
Hobbseetry cnn.com03:50
Hobbseeusually it autofinds...03:51
Hobbseeie http://www.cnn.com/03:51
Hobbseeah :)03:51
Hobbseenope, nto that03:51
Hobbseecheck out that page, and pick the one you want03:51
satafterhfound this  http://www.newsisfree.com/HPE/xml/feeds/15/2315.xml03:52
Hobbseethat should work03:52
Hobbseecopy that address into the knewsticker03:52
satafterhits working , thanks03:57
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Hobbseecool :)03:58
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cddesjarwhat bittorrent client can I use to make bittorrent files?  only azureus?04:18
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cyneanyone know why my audio cd's aren't playing in Kubuntu?04:20
Hobbseecyne: does any of your sound work?04:20
cyneHobbsee: yes it all works apart from that04:20
cynekscd tries to play it04:21
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cyne( audio discs ) and seems to play but produces no output04:21
Hobbseetry in a program that you know works, to see if it's the program...04:22
cyneis there a mixer setting i can change?04:22
Hobbseealthough it works here04:22
Hobbseekmix or alsamixer (the second in console) you could try04:22
cyneok Hobbsee 04:22
strike4ceHow do I set my root password?04:23
cddesjardo i need to install a package before i can mp3s?04:23
jsubl2cddesjar, sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg04:24
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Hobbsee!tell strike4ce about root04:24
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Hobbseekuser is the actual answer04:25
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filloyhi all !....can anybody recomend me an alternative to amsn ? i don like it very much.....04:25
cddesjargaim is really easy and nice04:26
filloyuhmmm, tried them but im looking forward to test al instant messengers to see which one is best for me :P04:27
filloythanx cddesjar04:27
cyneHobbsee: alsamixer says CD is on 100%, and Xmms does the same thing with CDA's ( progress bar moves, but no output )04:27
Hobbseehmm ok04:28
Hobbseeyou can use aplay in the console you know, and try playing it from there, as a random sidenote04:28
filloycyne try runing alsamixer and unmute stuff :)04:28
filloycyne i cant use my laptop sound unless i mute "external amplifier"04:29
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cddesjaryou need gstreamer-mad too04:30
filloyyep, forgot that04:32
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cddesjarhmm..it's telling me some media could not be loaded04:36
cddesjari am using the gstreamer engine in amarok04:36
cddesjarand i d/l the akode-mpeg and g-streamer-0.8-mad packages04:36
jsubl2xine engine works good04:37
cddesjari haven't installed xine engine yet04:38
cddesjari am giong to04:38
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jsubl2i have heard some say they prefer it to the others04:39
cddesjari don't think i like adept04:40
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jsubl2the search works well04:40
cddesjarit's too bloated...i think i'll stick to synaptic04:40
hydrogensynaptic is more bloatlike than adept04:41
hydrogenand less kde-centric :/04:41
propagandhino way04:41
cddesjarno way04:41
cddesjaradept is way more bloated04:41
cddesjarit's going to explode04:41
`Nomadhey all.. I'm very happy with this release so far.. Great job. :)04:42
`NomadAll I need now is my French Canadian keyboard layout. 04:43
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cddesjarok i switched engines and still no media can be loaded04:43
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jsubl2cddesjar, amarok?04:44
jsubl2did it scan your collection04:44
jsubl2does  it work except for that error04:44
frank23`Nomad: did you upgrade to breezy?04:44
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TokenBadin azureus any one know why it gives zipexception error?04:44
jsubl2TokenBad, using java 1.504:45
TokenBadgood question04:45
TokenBadnot sure04:45
jsubl2java -version04:45
laszlokanyone knwo how to get ktts working?04:45
cddesjarstrange it works now04:46
cddesjarf-ing wierd04:46
TokenBadjava version "1.4.2"04:46
TokenBadgij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)04:46
filloyapt-get distro-upgrade is 480 mb :S im going to sleep hahahaha, goodbye04:46
`Nomad fcrank:  yes. :)04:48
`Nomadoops.. sorry typo :)04:48
`Nomadfrank23: Did a full install..  I wanted to repartition my HD04:48
frank23`Nomad: ok did you get French Canadian keyboard to work? you need Canada Variant: fr04:49
RavenskyI should switch to Kubuntu. After seeing how fast stuff installs, it's looking good ;)04:50
cddesjari am living in Canada...i'm not french canadian though04:50
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Ravenskyon a crappy 1ghz machine too!04:51
`Nomadfrank23:  Where would I find this?04:51
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frank23`Nomad: System Settings -> Regional and Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout04:52
frank23`Nomad: Canada (Multilingual) will not work04:52
`Nomadfrank: I do go there, but I do not have that option.. I only see Multilingual04:52
`NomadI normally do not have to change everything to french to get the layout. :)04:53
frank23`Nomad: choose Canada then choose a Layout variant04:53
`Nomadgot it.. 04:53
frank23`Nomad: cool04:54
`Nomadh h h04:54
cddesjarkubuntu is pretty sharp indeed04:54
`NomadNow one last thing, some panels are huge when I get into them, like the one for keyboard actually.. I run at 1024X76804:55
`Nomadsome panels are bigger than that and I can reach the apply button04:55
`Nomadcan't reach I mean04:55
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frank23`Nomad: I don't have that problem 1600x120004:56
`NomadThe panel fo rstyles is especially huge..  I installed baghira cuz as much as I love linux, I still lust for a mac.. :)04:56
`Nomadme could use a better video card i guess.04:56
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`Nomadfrank23: Thank you so much, I never saw that option for "fr"04:57
frank23`Nomad: yeah it took me a while to find it.. I even submitted a bug about it before finding it!04:58
frank23finis les emails sans accents!04:58
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`NomadNext step, get my wacom tablet to behave as it should. :)05:05
`NomadI am liek 99.6% to reachign my goal of living without M$-Windows05:06
Hobbseelol nice05:06
Hobbseei just had to boot there...horrible thing05:06
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Hobbseemy connection suddenly died so i figured i'd get the updates for that...i dont know how people survive without multiple desktops...05:07
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Onetrackso I'm in an installed kubuntu, lovin it, could someone point me to some information on the ltsp install for it ?05:11
`Nomaddo this an dit shows you which packages you need..    sudo apt-cache search ltsp05:13
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TokenBadin azureus any one know why it gives zipexception error?05:14
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Onetrackthanks nomad05:15
OnetrackI thought it was already in 5.10, or is that just ubuntu and not kubuntu05:15
Hobbseeis there a separate ubuntu/kubuntu bugzilla, or is it under the same one?05:16
hydrogenthink its same one05:17
Hobbsee*goes off to report bug*05:17
SgepBye all!05:19
whitefungisay for instance....  I just installed kubuntu (from which I am typing) and I am trying to do and update apt-get update, it is stalling at the security check.  pointers?05:23
Hobbseeat the security check?05:23
Hobbseedid you use "sudo apt-get update"05:24
whitefungiHobbsee: nope.  sudo bash05:24
whitefungithen apt-get update05:24
petcan u paste the err 05:24
Hobbseeah...repositories are down, ditto some of the ubuntu site.05:24
whitefungibad first taste, but everything else is sweet.05:25
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Hobbseewhich is a pain, seeing as i was trying to go there and file a bug05:26
Hobbseebut yeah, post the error?05:26
Hobbseekubuntu's down as wel05:27
whitefungiaaronjs@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get update05:27
whitefungi50% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (]  [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (] 05:27
whitefungi...and there it sits...05:28
Hobbseeyeah, that just means the repositories are down05:28
whitefungi'tis what I was dreading would be the case.05:28
Hobbseegive it a few mins, they havent been down like this in ages05:28
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whitefungiI need to get apache,php, bluefish, mysql...   ...and on and on and on...05:29
Hobbseei know!05:30
Hobbseenow you should be getting errors that they are timing out05:31
whitefungiwhere does mysql hide in this neat little app called kynaptic?05:31
Hobbseeyou're on hoary, i take it?05:32
Hobbseeoh yeah, reps are down, you cant install synaptic05:32
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Hobbseeuse the search button, if it has oen05:32
whitefungihoary?  I suppose that is the release.05:32
whitefungiwhat is most current?05:32
cddesjari think kubuntu.org is down too05:32
Hobbseebreezy in a day and a half05:32
Hobbseeyeah it is05:32
Hobbseecurrently hoary is, breezy is to be released tomorrow05:33
whitefungihm, mysql is installed by default.  Interesting.05:33
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cddesjarbreezy is suppose to be released tomorrow?05:33
Hobbseeyeah, 13th05:33
cddesjardon't install hoary05:33
cddesjarwell i guess it's not a waste of time05:33
cddesjarapt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade05:33
whitefungialready installed.  on vm machine at the moment.05:33
Hobbseewell, dist upgrade works most of the time05:33
cddesjarafter editing the repositoires05:33
cddesjarand you're golden05:34
frank23whitefungi: you'll have a nice 450 MB download for breezy and you're done05:34
Hobbseecddesjar: cant, the reps are down05:34
cddesjari know05:34
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cddesjari am having troubles getting java too right now05:34
cddesjartoo many people on bittorrent05:34
whitefungiI'm sure the repositories will go down to do a big swap out of files...   Old dist to new dist.   heh.   05:35
regeya_bittorrent == teh evile05:35
Hobbseethe reps are different05:35
Hobbseeyou can grab java...05:35
ubotumethinks javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java05:35
Hobbseenot via bittorrent, that is05:35
cddesjaryeah that's via bittorrent05:36
cddesjaryou need a bittorrent client to install java via those websites05:36
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Hobbseenah...i didnt realise you couldnt still get to that link05:36
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Hobbseethat should get you straight to the debs of them05:36
Hobbsee:P no probs05:36
whitefungigah!   no gcc?05:37
cddesjar1.5 right?05:37
Hobbseejava? yeah05:37
Hobbseemake sure you get the 2nd in the list, not the dev version05:37
Hobbseeexcluding parent directory on top05:38
cddesjaryou mean not sdk the re right?05:38
Pwn3rhow can i control what shows up when i type 'media:/' in the konqueror address bar?05:39
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Hobbseewhat's showing now though, and what do you want to add?05:39
cddesjarand here i went and installed w32codecs via bittorrent...thought that seemed silly05:39
Pwn3rright now there is cdroms and hard drives, and i want to add usb devices05:40
Hobbseeusb devices plugged in, i take it?05:40
Pwn3ryea, and they are auto mounted in /media05:40
Hobbseeyou on kde 3.4.3 or 3.5beta?05:40
Pwn3rkde 3.4.305:41
Hobbseecheck for a bug, otherwise file one on it05:41
Hobbseethat shouldnt be happening05:41
Hobbseekde 3.4.2 it showed the correct thing05:42
Hobbsee3.5 does the same as 3.4.2, if you want to put that in there05:42
Pwn3ri upgraded to breezy yesterday05:42
Pwn3rthats when it broke, it worked great before05:42
Hobbsee*nods* which would be why you have 3..4.305:42
Pwn3rk :)05:43
Hobbseeyeah, you upgraded to 3.4.3 during the install05:43
frank23cddesjar: why is w32codecs via bittorrent silly, the only repo I know that has it is debian-marillat and you cant use that for anything else05:43
Hobbseefrank23: there are ubuntu versions at: http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/05:44
frank23Hobbsee: oh, ok05:45
Hobbseevery neat having that :P05:46
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ubotufrom memory, w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy)05:58
cddesjarclick on the links frank05:58
cddesjaroh wait a minute05:58
cddesjari miss read what you were saying05:58
cddesjaryou weren't doubtiing me05:58
frank23cddesjar: I wasn't doubting you ;)05:59
cddesjari get defensive i guess06:03
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Hobbseeubuntu seems to be back up, including repositories06:11
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Hobbseekubuntu's not though06:13
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Ravenskythat was easy :P06:13
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Ravenskyumm, does adept delete the downloaded DEB's after they're installed?06:14
frank23Ravensky: in a few days: Ravensky got rid of Gentoo???06:14
Ravenskywhere does it download them to? /tmp/?06:15
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frank23but you can clean /var/cache/apt/archives/ 06:15
Ravenskywell, I do need to redo my system, and I might switch to Kubuntu. I'm going to see how this goes for the next few days and see06:16
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JonasNZhey is there a way to print all the urls of the packages that adept wants to download so i can download them elsewhere06:16
RavenskyI only set a 10 gig partition for kubuntu right now. If I decide to use it as my main OS, I guess I'll transfer over my current Gentoo stuff to my 200 gig and then expand this to fit the whole hard drive06:17
frank23JonasNZ: where do you want to get them? you can use other national mirrors by editing your sources.list 06:18
Ravenskywhy does kubuntu have such a small default font size? or is that just GTK apps...06:19
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TokenBadin azureus any one know why it gives zipexception error?06:19
frank23Ravensky: thats in breezy by default I think06:19
JonasNZfrank23: its not where i want to get the from, its that at home i have dialup and id like to download them at school were we have a 10mb pipe06:19
Ravenskyfrank23, oh...hmm06:19
frank23Ravensky: you can change the gtk-qt style in system settings06:20
RavenskyI see that06:20
RavenskyI didnt know it was installed :P06:20
Ravensky(my first time using kubuntu was last night installing it on a friend's comp because he got fed up with WIndows)06:20
Hobbseei like having it installed by default!06:21
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Ravenskyfrank23, the GTK-QT thing seems to fail to open using the Settings window -> LookNFeel -> link06:22
RavenskyI had to use kcontrol to make it work06:22
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frank23Ravensky: I don't know where you are. I was talking about System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK styles and fonts06:24
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cddesjaris realplayer packaged?06:27
frank23cddesjar: yes 06:27
Ravenskyfrank23, that's what I did. I gave the mouse feedback thingy, but never actually opened anything06:28
cddesjaras realplayer? 06:28
frank23cddesjar: yes, realplayer 8 is in breezy multiverse and 10 is in hoary-extras... I think06:30
frank23Ravensky: I don't follow you06:30
cddesjarwhat's the multiverse?06:31
cddesjarwhat's your sources.list look like?06:31
cddesjarcan you paste it for me06:31
Ravenskywhen I clicked on GTK Styles and Fonts, it never opened anything.06:31
Ravenskyhappened on my friend's comp last night when I was helping set that up too06:32
frank23Ravensky: I don't know... it works for me06:32
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RavenskyI dont know either :P06:32
cddesjari found it at ubuntuguide.org06:32
RavenskyI wonder how long it's going to take my friend to learn basic Linux06:32
uboturumour has it, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)06:32
ubotuI guess ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.06:33
RavenskyI just threw a new OS at him and installed Firefox and Gaim. That's about it :P06:33
frank23Ravensky: you might have to help him out a bit... :-06:34
Ravenskyya, I know06:34
Ravenskywhich repo is Azureus in?06:34
Ravenskythe universal one?06:34
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frank23I don't know why azureus is not in universe though06:36
Ravenskyno, I was wondering if it was, because I dont have universe enabled06:36
Ravenskydo I want deb-src repo's enabled?06:37
frank23They are not really useful unless you need to compile from source06:37
Ravenskyhmm, ok06:38
frank23I keep the deb-src disabled06:38
JonasNZwhats backports?06:39
ubotuAdd "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports06:39
frank23its newer versions of programs for ubuntu06:40
cddesjarare those backport packages newer than what's avaiable for breezy?06:40
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frank23cddesjar: no, they are newer than hoary06:41
MEtaLpREsahhh... nice new breezy install06:41
frank23cddesjar: once developpement of the next version starts, backports for breezy will appear06:41
JonasNZfrank23: is backports a large repo?06:42
frank23JonasNZ: not that much... only programs which have useful new features are backported, I think06:43
MEtaLpREsAdept Manager is really nice, i like it a lot more then Synaptic06:44
frank23MEtaLpREs: really, I am so used to synaptic, that I can't use adept06:44
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Hobbseehang on, backports dont exist anymore in hoary06:44
ubotusources is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)06:44
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frank23Hobbsee: yes they do06:44
Hobbseedo they?  06:44
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RavenskyI dont see azureus anywhere, even with the universe repo enabled06:45
frank23Ravensky: its in hoary-extras, I think06:45
JonasNZfrank23: ok, and wats the diff between multiverse and universe06:45
frank23deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted06:45
Ravenskyok...and what do I enter in Adept to add that one? (one reason I kinda dislike Debian/Redhat)06:46
frank23JonasNZ: universe is open source and not officially supported by ubuntu, multiverse is closed source and not supported by ubuntu06:46
Ravenskyenter that line in Adept?06:46
kurtbecanyone's /etc/init.d/kdm script actually work?06:46
frank23Ravensky: yes in manage repositories06:47
Ravenskythanks frank23, there it is :D06:47
RavenskyAction: BREAK (install) <--- what's that mean?06:48
Ravenskygoing to break another package?06:48
frank23I don't know adept06:48
frank23Ravensky: but it shouldn't break anything06:49
JonasNZi hope prelinking is worth it on a p3 coppermine, its taking so long06:49
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frank23kurtbec: what do you mean kdm doesn't work?06:49
Ravenskywell, it wont commit the changes because it claims it will :|06:49
JonasNZhey fellow kiwi dialup user :D06:50
Ravenskyarg, I really need to reconfig xorg.conf06:50
Ravenskyit's only letting me go to 1024x768 :|06:50
JonasNZRavensky: yeah me too, its the stupid config util06:50
kurtbecfrank23: well kdm works but if try to do a /etc/init.d/kdm restart kdm dies off but then never restarts I just get a black screen with a white cursor.06:50
RavenskyJonasNZ, config util?06:51
frank23kurtbec: what if you do kdm stop, then kdm start?  I think restart doesn't work for me too06:51
Ravenskyanyway...brb, going to config X06:52
kurtbeci'll give it a try and see what happens.06:52
JonasNZRaven you know display settings thing in kde06:52
kurtbecAlso, I notice kubuntu boots into runlevel 2 by default. if I want to be into full multiuser without X what do you do?06:53
frank23kurtbec: the runlevels in ubuntu are not the usual ones.... but I don't know the details06:54
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Ravenskyerr...is there a default root password?06:55
frank23Ravensky: no06:56
ubotumethinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo06:56
ubotuJonasNZ: I give up, what is it?06:56
JonasNZany one know how i can setup suspend to ram06:56
JonasNZive edited acpi-support in defaults now how do i trigger it?06:56
frank23I don't know. I don't have a laptop06:57
JonasNZneither do i, i just wanna be able to sleep my desktop06:57
frank23JonasNZ: my desktop is an insomniac :)06:58
MEtaLpREshow good is the package removal ability in breezy or hoary, can packages be removed without worrying about destroying dependencies?06:59
frank23MEtaLpREs: yes you can remove them but if you remove essential packages, you might not end up with a functionnal system07:01
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MEtaLpREswel ofcourse i would select anything essential, just want to get rid of some extra apps like Konversation and Bluetooth chat, things like that that i wont ever use07:02
RavenskyI seem to remember kubuntu asking what resolution you want to run at during install. I never got that with my comp, but did when I installed it on my friend's07:02
MEtaLpREsbut if i remove certain apps will it take its dependecies with it or leave them for other apps?07:02
Ravenskyand "Xorg -configure" wouldnt work because it "Couldnt find the output drivers"07:03
frank23MEtaLpREs: you can remove it sure... although that will remove kubuntu-desktop  but I don't think its a big problem07:03
frank23MEtaLpREs: the dependancies will stay07:03
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frank23MEtaLpREs: In other words, as long as you don't remove SomeApp, it will continue working for sure07:04
ubotuI guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto07:04
frank23Ravensky: ^^^^07:04
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Ravenskyfrank23, are you the resident Ubuntu guru here? :P07:05
MEtaLpREsoy, now time for the fun of getting my radeon card working without destroying X07:06
frank23I guess I am for tonight:P07:06
MEtaLpREscant wait for some better ati drivers07:06
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Hobbseeaftertaf will take frank23's shift later in the night, i'm sure07:07
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frank23It's also the first time I get called a guru. And I couldn't even get Gentoo working!07:08
Ravenskyumm, I just accidentally closed my Konsole window while that dpkg-reconfigure thing was open, and now it says that confog.dat is locked my another process07:08
Hobbseewait a couple of mins and try again?07:09
Hobbseethat works for when you accidently close the console with apt-get07:10
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wotnarganyone know what day breezy is going to be released?07:11
Ravenskyhow long is a couple of minutes?07:11
Ravenskybeen about 3 min now...07:11
frank23wotnarg: the 13th I think07:11
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onetrackanyone here running ltsp on breezy? i can get it to see the system, but pxe hangs at the tftp download, whats supposed to be in there? i am so totally lost on this.07:18
frank23Ravensky: did you change your resolution?07:19
frank23onetrack: I don't even know what ltsp is. sorry07:19
onetrackhah.. terminal server.. 5.10 aparently has it built in, but i've been building from scratch..07:19
onetrackhave the ltsp-admin utils and dhcp-3 working.. but the machine pulls nothing at all through tftp...07:20
Ravenskyfrank23, I found the process that locked it and just ran the program now. Restarting X :D07:22
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frank23it works?07:26
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Ravenskybrb, adjusting font sizes..07:27
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Ravenskyok, now yay :D07:28
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onetrackok thanks guys, i'm giving this up for now and goin off to play some cod.. cheers to ya07:34
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chxis there some katapult docs available?07:35
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Kamping_Kaiserhi CaiN_SA :)07:41
CaiN_SAsup 07:41
frank23good night CaiN_SA ;-)07:41
CaiN_SAits only 7:41 here in the morning07:41
CaiN_SAhave wholeday of work ahead of me :(07:41
frank231:41 am here07:41
Hobbsee3.41pm here07:42
chavo1:41 here also07:42
Kamping_Kaiserbugger CaiN_SA :( 07:42
Kamping_Kaiserhi Hobbsee :)07:42
Kamping_Kaiser3.12pm here ;D07:42
chavoalmost time to try and get some sleep07:42
Kamping_Kaiserfrank23: so your off to bed in 2-3 hours?07:42
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frank23Kamping_Kaiser: not quite.07:42
Hobbseehey Kamping_Kaiser adelaide or nt?07:42
RavenskyHobbsee, nevermind :P07:43
frank23Kamping_Kaiser: where do you get the 30 min difference? It's like Newfoundland...07:43
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: adelaide07:43
Hobbseei saw07:43
Hobbseethought so, nice place that...i was born there07:43
Kamping_Kaiseroh :O i moved here a while back07:43
Hobbseefrank23: it's half an hour behind est07:43
Hobbseefrom where?07:43
Kamping_Kaiserim in the hills actulay, but still sa07:43
Hobbseeah yes07:43
Hobbseebeen there07:44
frank23Hobbsee: Newfoundland, the easternomost province in Canada is 30 off from AST07:44
Hobbseego thru there to drive to get back to sydney07:44
Kamping_Kaiserhobart . i want to move back there in a year or 207:44
CaiN_SAwhat network config tool does kubuntu use ?07:44
Hobbseefrank23: ah...07:44
Hobbseeeek!  cold hobart!07:44
Kamping_Kaiser:OO: <3 hobart07:45
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HobbseeCaiN_SA: wifi config? or dialup? or somethign else07:45
Hobbseei've not been there, i just hear it's cold07:45
Kamping_Kaiser! tell me about grub07:45
ubotuKamping_Kaiser: Did you get hit by a windmill?07:45
Kamping_Kaiser!tell me about grub07:45
Hobbsee!tell Kamping_Kaiser about grub07:46
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: its not that bad07:46
Hobbseethat want you wanted?07:46
Hobbseemmm...i'll take your word for it lol07:46
Hobbseealthough i would like to visit sometime07:46
Kamping_Kaiseryeh. i had a space4 the first time07:46
CaiN_SAHobbsee, normal config 07:46
Hobbsee!tell me about cigarete07:46
CaiN_SAof eth :)07:46
Hobbsee!tell me about cigarette07:46
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Hobbseelol...i dont smoke07:47
Hobbseethere's some network configs in kcontrol07:47
Kamping_Kaiseryou mean ubotu has an entry for it?07:47
Hobbseetry it07:47
Kamping_Kaiser!tell me about cigarette07:47
Hobbseenah, just use !cigarette07:48
Kamping_Kaiseri dont smoke, but thanks ubotu ;)07:48
Kamping_Kaiserhi leonard07:48
leonardi am a new linux user07:48
Hobbseeheh...that one got taken out07:48
Hobbseethought it might have!07:48
Hobbseeooh fun07:48
leonardi just switched from winding windows.. 07:49
ubotuIt's bad to smoke, but frank23 needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)07:49
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: having problems?07:49
leonardnow how do i upgrade/downgrade from ubuntu to kubuntu?07:49
leonardcan someone help?07:49
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: do you have ubuntu installed?07:50
Hobbseegive me a sec07:50
Kamping_Kaiserits not so much 'upgrade' as 'move sideways'07:50
Kamping_Kaiserinstall kubuntu-desktop package07:50
chavoleonard, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop07:50
Kamping_Kaisernot sure how to remove gnome though :( havent worked that out07:50
chavono, it's definitely moving forward :)07:50
Kamping_Kaiser(would have been good when i remed kde)07:50
leonardwhich is better KDE or GNOME?07:50
Hobbseelol...you'll start a flamewar with that qn07:51
Hobbseeit's a matter of personal preference07:51
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: totaly a matter of taste. its a bad question ;)07:51
chavoKamping_Kaiser, I don't think there's a way to get it all, but I removed libgnome, and that took a lot of it out07:51
leonardok let me put it this way, which is good for a linux beginner like me?07:51
Hobbseeit's easiest just to install kubuntu in the first place, or reinstall with a kubuntu cd07:51
Hobbseeboth of them07:51
Kamping_Kaiserchavo: yeh, im hopeing apt- has a magic way of removing all the dependances of a meta package that i dont know about07:51
Hobbseehave a look at the screenshots for each, and see which looks better to you07:52
leonardmy problem is will my applications run for both?07:52
leonardLong Live Linux !!07:52
Hobbseeparticularly if you grab the package that has gtk and qt in it - i can never remember the name of it07:52
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: depends which applications07:52
Hobbseemakes all the gnome ones look like kde ones07:53
Hobbseewell, without getting rid of gnome, leonard certainly can07:53
leonardKDE looks more like Unix to me07:53
Hobbseei thought unix looked like a command line/terminal07:53
leonardI heard the new windows is build off a linux kernel. How true does this statement deviate from the truth?07:54
RavenskyI heard it's based off of Windows Server 2003...07:55
leonardLonghorn renamed Vista. YES !07:55
Hobbseeit looks like you can remove "gnome" although i'm not sure if that's a metapackage07:55
chavoleonard, whoever told you that is your enemy.07:55
leonardOh !07:55
Hobbseei dont think it's built off linux07:55
Hobbseeit's using the idea of sudo though07:55
Kamping_KaiserRavensky: its based on NT07:55
Ravenskybetter user control?07:55
Hobbseeie not running everyone as root by default, and getting pepole to put in the admin password to do any admin functions, like installing programs07:56
leonardhow do you guys know? has anyone test driven it?07:56
Ravenskymy dad can get the alpha version of Office 12 from his work :P07:56
Ravenskyhe works at HP07:56
Hobbseeleonard: by reading reviews of it, pretty much07:56
Hobbseeooh nice, that'd be interesting to see07:56
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: theres plenty there to read07:56
Hobbseehttp://www.winsupersite.com/ is fairly good about it07:56
leonardIs Linux and windows brother and sister or more like Bush and Bin Laden?07:57
HobbseeRavensky: it'd be interesting to see how well it works with anything else, in terms of doc formats07:57
leonardtoo many questions huh!?07:57
Hobbseewell, that depends on your point of view really07:58
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: neither. they have different cultures07:58
Kamping_Kaisernot to many questions, more hard to answer ones ;)07:58
ubotumethinks linuxnotwindows is http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm07:58
RavenskyHobbsee, it's an alpha...and since it's Microsoft, all of the bugs in alpha will still be there in final release :P07:58
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: have a look at that link07:58
Hobbseelol exactly07:58
Kamping_Kaiserlol Ravensky07:58
Hobbseehence i thought it'd be a pretty good representation of the final product :P07:58
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Hobbseehi aftertaf07:59
Kamping_Kaiserhi aftertaf07:59
Hobbseeif it's an alpha, how logn is the record that it actually stays open lol?07:59
leonardi was just downloading applications and suddenly everything on my gnome changed from ubuntu to edubuntu.. what is this/08:00
Hobbseedid you download edubuntu art or something?08:00
leonardOh !! i see..08:00
leonardI did that.08:00
leonardThis is a nice article.08:00
Hobbseeit is08:01
Hobbseeah, well that would explain why lol08:01
aftertafhi guys :)08:01
leonardMost people see linux as windows replacement which is just an alternative.08:01
aftertafleonard:  true, and it isnt !08:01
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, linuxnotwindows is http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm08:01
leonardtrue. The problem is my friends who work at microsoft hate linux, i don't know why.08:01
fatejudgerdoes anyone know a good repository to get the firefox beta?08:02
Hobbseeyeah, odd that...they compete with a free product08:02
Hobbseefatejudger: i think you have to download the .tar.gz and run the script.  check on ubuntuforums08:02
Hobbseewhiich in a lot of cases, is better08:02
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: a few ppl here MSCE, and i know some MS Vista beta testers that switched to ubuntu08:02
Kamping_Kaiser *few ppl here ARE MSCE, and....08:02
Hobbseei mean, where's windows multiple virtual desktops by now?08:02
Hobbseeit's impossible to work effectively and spread everything out without them!08:03
leonardwhy is ubuntu so popular?08:03
Hobbseebeta testers...more like alpha testers...08:03
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: yeh, i loave that feature *looks at 5 workspaces on laptop, and 12 on desktop*08:03
Hobbseehehehe yeah08:03
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: because its well thought out, and tends to 'just work'08:04
aftertafi'm MCSE :)08:04
leonardi see ubuntu by passing federa and mandrake soon !!08:04
Hobbseewhat's msce, btw?08:04
Kamping_Kaiser:D i didnt want to name you aftertaf ;)08:04
Hobbseeit already does, according to distro watch08:04
Ravenskywho here actually uses the multiple desktops in Linux?08:04
Hobbseeme, all the time08:04
leonardmicrosoft certified Engineers08:04
aftertafHobbsee:  with nvidia drivers i can have virt desktops.... but its clumsy compared to linux :)08:04
Kamping_KaiserRavensky: all the time08:04
Hobbseethere's a program that can let you do it too08:04
aftertafRavensky:  me !08:04
Hobbseebut the windows would be way too small to drag and drop it08:04
Hobbseethe programs into differnet ones, that is08:05
aftertafanyone installed 3DDesk ?08:05
Ravenskyhmm, I dont really have much use for it. Yay for tabs :P08:05
Hobbseeah yes, definetly yay for tabs08:05
RavenskyI usually only have Gaim, Firefox, xchat, konsole, amarok, and probably some misc thing open at a time08:05
Hobbseei have one for email, one for games/chat/irc/etc, one that's got the school stuff on it, ie a document open in open office right after it08:05
Kamping_KaiserRavensky: 5 apps. good reason for 5 desktop :)08:06
Hobbseethen whenver the parents come in, tap ctrl tab, and it looks like i'm doing work08:06
Hobbseechats? what chats?  can you see any chats lol?08:06
Kamping_Kaiseron this laptop i have 'chat' 'web' 'terminals' and 'other'08:06
aftertafi have 3.... 1 for local, one for ssh, 1 for crap :)08:06
leonardI cannot play mp3 using totem, can someone help?08:07
Hobbseelol...sleep's overrated08:07
ubotuHobbsee: What?08:07
Kamping_Kaiser'chat' doubles as 'work in progres'08:07
Kamping_Kaiserlol aftertaf08:07
Kamping_Kaisermy ssh's are a tab (:D) in gnome-terminal on 'terminals'08:07
Kamping_Kaiser!tell leonard about restricted formats08:07
Kamping_Kaiserlater Ravensky08:07
leonardwhat are restricted formats?08:08
ubotuhmm... sleep is overrated08:08
Kamping_Kaiserleonard: restrcted formats are stuff like mp3/movie codes that ubuntu cant package on the cd08:08
Kamping_Kaiserfor legal reasons08:08
Hobbseewish it could though08:09
Hobbseemind you, they're not that hard to get08:09
Kamping_Kaiserin a lot of cases , they put it in 'multiverse', but some things cant even be in there08:09
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: yeh :( but the price you pay for availablilty08:09
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Hobbsee*sigh*  are the repositories down again?08:10
Hobbseenope, never mind08:11
Hobbseehey mate!08:11
Kamping_Kaisero_0 another au08:11
Hobbseeit's world domination you know :P  08:12
Kamping_Kaiserwell if we start with teh *ubuntu chans we are well on the way :D08:12
Kamping_Kaiserand a fair amount of #*ubuntu is from au from what  i see08:12
aftertafanother au. you're in force this morning/evening. as usual :p08:12
Hobbseewell, it is the right sort of time for the aussies08:12
Hobbseelol...of course08:13
Hobbseeand it's afternoon, get it right aftertaf :P08:13
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=== Kamping_Kaiser pops Hobbsee's ego with a large tazzie devil
Kamping_Kaiser:) brb08:14
Hobbseeooh, i dont have my window open that looks like i'm doing work...i must rectify that08:15
Hobbseeright, rectified, shortcut activated08:16
MEtaLpREsumm... why am i unable to get get make to run at all in breezy08:16
webdwarfapt-get install build-essential08:16
Kamping_Kaiserlol Hobbsee08:17
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Hobbseei prefer amarok actually :P08:17
Hobbsee!start a desktop war08:17
ubotutwm is much better than gnome!08:17
MEtaLpREsexcellent, thanks webdwarf08:18
webdwarfamarok + kaffeine :D08:18
webdwarfno probs MEtaLpREs 08:18
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: can you play mp3s over ssh with amarok?08:18
Hobbseegot no idea, can you use ssh wiht windows computers?08:19
aftertaf!start a media war08:19
ubotuaftertaf: Did you get hit by a windmill?08:19
Hobbseei think he did08:19
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: yes. you can08:19
aftertafHobbsee:  yep. teraterm, for one08:19
Kamping_Kaiserbut not in the same way08:19
Hobbseeoh fun08:19
Hobbseemaybe i should try it on dad's computer08:19
Kamping_Kaiserputty, winscp, and a few others08:19
Hobbsee*nods* one day that could be interesting08:19
Kamping_Kaiseror install cygwin and do it properly ;D08:20
webdwarfor install ubuntu and be done with it?08:20
Hobbseedad would kill me when he found out08:20
Hobbseei'd be doubly killed if i did that!08:21
Hobbseehmmm...being killed twice...08:21
=== Kamping_Kaiser installs ubuntu on Hobbsee's dads pooter
Hobbseecome on then, i'll let you take responsibility08:21
Hobbseeso when dad comes running after me i'll point to you instead and he'll kill you off08:22
Kamping_Kaiserlol 'takes responability and points at Hobbsee'08:22
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Hobbseei had nothing to do with this, nope08:23
Hobbseealthough a browser that wouldnt crash every time you try and close it on there would be nice...08:23
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HobbseeLOL...sure you dont08:23
Hobbseemaybe gentoo or debian you dont, but not ubuntu08:24
Hobbseeit's not hard, especially if you tell it to overwrite the entire disk08:24
webdwarfdebian installer is almost identical to ubuntu :P08:24
Hobbseesaves dual booting, etc08:24
webdwarfgentoo installation is.. annoying08:24
Hobbseeah, i've heard it was rotten a few years ago08:24
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: all my servers run debian ;)08:24
webdwarfdebian for servers, ubuntu for desktops!08:25
Hobbsee:P  then you definetly have no excuse!08:25
Kamping_Kaiseryes !08:25
aftertaflinux for everyting :)08:25
Hobbseemmm...but not for sims 208:25
aftertafdont do sims 2.08:25
webdwarfhaha.. stuff sims 2 :P08:25
Kamping_Kaiseraftertaf: noooo! openbsd for routers and netbsd for fridges :D08:25
Hobbseeheh...but it's a fun game!08:25
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: its crap :P08:25
Kamping_Kaiser*jk* its a girls game */jk*08:26
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Hobbseewell, that suits me...seeing as i am one08:26
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webdwarfi could prolly get my girlfriend onto linux if sims 2 worked tho.. aswell as photoshop, illustrator, fireworks and flash :P08:26
Kamping_Kaiseri know. :)08:26
Hobbseemmm...tried cedega for any of the others?08:26
Kamping_Kaiserlol webdwarf. 08:26
Kamping_Kaisercedega is for games, crossover is for apps in general08:26
webdwarfnot yet.. wouldnt mind giving it a go tho08:27
Kamping_Kaiserand wine is teh one true api converter :D08:27
Hobbseecedega wont run sims 2, apparently :(08:27
webdwarfheh that sucks :(08:27
Hobbseetried wine a while ago08:27
webdwarfwhy cant they just make linux versions? :P08:27
Hobbseefigured i'd wait till the beta versions start08:27
webdwarfall the GOOD games come out for linux08:27
Hobbseelol yeah, i wish08:27
webdwarfie.. quake and ut :P08:27
Hobbseewhat, you mean all the first person shooters?08:27
Kamping_Kaiserlol webdwarf. im starting to come around to that thinking ;)08:27
Hobbseealthough yes, they are fun to play on a lan08:28
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webdwarfthe very best game is only available for linux.. and thats tuxracer :D08:28
Hobbseeah yes, of course08:28
Hobbseebut you're wrong webdwarf 08:28
Hobbseeit's available for windows too08:28
Kamping_Kaiserwebdwarf: imo gnometris, but anyway ;)08:28
Kamping_Kaiseryes, it is :)08:29
Hobbseepingus is fun too, needs more levels08:29
Kamping_Kaiserso you can play with a penguin iwthout running the penguin08:29
webdwarfheh... i tried convincing someone to switch to linux because it had tuxracer once :P08:29
Hobbseeheh..my friend adores tuxracer, but it didnt play too well on her computer08:29
Hobbseewindows one, no decent graphics card, around 128mb ram08:29
HobbseeXP, i might add08:29
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Hobbseevery ouch08:30
aftertafwow 100mph on ubuntu.08:32
aftertafkubuntu chan has become a lounge :)08:33
JonasNZthw file, /etc/env.d/99kde-env on gentoo, where would i find the equivalent on kubuntu so i can set, KDE_IS_PRELINKED="true"08:33
Hobbseeto aftertaf, that is08:33
aftertaflol Hobbsee didnt know you were a sims2 (girlie) :)08:34
cynenvidia-glx suxx08:34
Hobbseeaftertaf: sure, it's a good game08:34
Hobbseecomputer finds it a bit hard to run after a while thouhg08:34
aftertafJonasNZ:  /etc/init.d08:34
aftertafsymlinked to /etc/rc[1-6|S] .d/08:35
dell500anyone know how to update 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.408:36
Kaiser_away(16:03:07) aftertaf: kubuntu chan has become a lounge  <- if we all talked in #k-offtopic ther would be no one here ;)08:36
aftertaftrue :)08:36
aftertafnot a criticism.08:36
aftertafjust that our gnome brothers/sisters are going lt lightspeed next door.08:36
aftertafKDE KDE KDE08:37
Kaiser_awaylol. thats why i hang out here :)08:37
aftertafdell500:  check your repositories against this....08:37
ubotu[sources]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)08:37
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Kamping_Kaisereven though im a gnome user08:37
aftertaflol Kamping_Kaiser me too. mor relaxed :)08:37
aftertaflooooool Kamping_Kaiser 08:37
aftertaf!start a desktop war08:37
ubotublackbox is much better than kde!08:37
Kamping_Kaiserdefintely :)08:37
Hobbseedefinetly true!08:37
Kamping_Kaiserlol. yep08:37
JonasNZaftertaf, and where do i need to add that, i cant find anything related to kde, should i add it to kdm's init.d08:37
dell500aftertaf, my repos are fine08:37
Kamping_Kaiserrofl. so much for that war aftertaf ;)08:38
Hobbseelounges are much mroe fun08:38
dell500and i have the latest version for gaim, which is 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.408:38
dell500doesn't make any sense why it should be crashing then08:38
aftertafdell500:  good :)    try apt-get update again..... maybe a pb.08:38
aftertafyeah Kamping_Kaiser 08:38
HobbseeJonasNZ: sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list08:38
aftertafJonasNZ:  is it an init file?08:38
Hobbseeadd it in there08:38
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Hobbseeassuming you are tlaking about reps08:38
aftertafHobbsee:  u sure? :D08:38
Hobbseeooh good luck Kamping_Kaiser 08:38
webdwarfwhen are the breezy backports going up?08:39
webdwarfsame time as release?08:39
Hobbseeperhaps, why do you ask aftertaf?08:39
Kamping_Kaiserwebdwarf: when theres something to backport08:39
JonasNZafter dont worry i realised what i was doing wrong, its just setting an env var for kde, but its going now08:39
aftertafok cool JonasNZ :)08:39
Hobbseeah, doesnt help that i missed some of the lines in the chat08:40
ubotuIt's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)08:43
ubotuI'm a bot, I'm a bot. Set fire to me, I'll get hot. Reply to hobbsee? I think not. Bot, knot, chicken... rhyming sucks.08:45
Hobbseerofl...i love that08:45
Hobbsee!set fire to bot08:46
ubotuHobbsee: I don't know, could you explain it?08:46
Hobbseehehe sure...*gets out lighter*08:47
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damnhilDo people here speak Englsih?08:49
webdwarfwe speak English unfortunatley08:50
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damnhilHow do I pronounce the name "Caroline"?08:50
Kamping_Kaiserlol wtf?08:50
webdwarfca (like cat) ro (like row) line (like.. line)08:51
webdwarfmake sense? i didnt think so08:51
Hobbseenah, i speak aussie, as in "hey mate"08:51
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Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: here its more 'car a line' eh ;)08:52
webdwarfcar alarm08:52
Hobbseecar alarm yeah08:52
Hobbseei would say it the way webdwarf did, but there's a difference in pronounciation between sa and nsw08:52
webdwarfwell im qld :P08:52
Kamping_KaiserREDNECK !!!!08:53
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webdwarfthere are no rednecks in australia... just bogans08:54
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Kamping_Kaiserno qld has rednecks, the rest of the place has bogans08:54
Hobbseeanother one!08:55
Hobbseewhat's a bogan?  i've never found out08:56
Hobbsee!start a browser war08:56
ubotumosaic is way better than mozilla !08:56
Hobbsee!start a browser war08:57
aftertaffirefox is bloatware08:58
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webdwarfkonqueror doesnt know what html is sposed to look like08:59
Hobbseeah right...08:59
webdwarfand internet explorer... 08:59
Hobbseecrashes every time you try and close it09:00
webdwarfthat amungst other things09:00
webdwarfi havent used it for about 2 years now, except when fixing dumb clients computers09:00
webdwarfbut then they get firefox.. and i never need to fix spyware on their computer again09:00
webdwarfcoincidence? i dont think so :P09:00
Hobbseeyeah, odd that09:01
Hobbseemmm...i end up using mostly ie on windows09:02
Hobbseethen again, most of the current sites i visit there are microsoft update and windows update09:02
webdwarfdo you use ubuntu?09:03
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Hobbseeof course09:07
HobbseeXP is currently for games09:07
Hobbseeand games only09:07
webdwarfah k09:07
webdwarffair enuf09:07
Hobbseeseeing as certain games dont play under linux09:08
webdwarfi will probably end up doing the same so that I can play the next half life when it comes out09:08
Hobbseeand dreamweaver didnt work that well under dreamweaver09:08
webdwarfbut i hardly ever play games09:08
Kamping_Kaiserwebdwarf: i hardly play games since moving to linux ;)09:08
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aftertafme too.09:09
Hobbseewhat, you acutally do work instead?09:09
Hobbseei can only play ksol for so many hours while installing XP on a friends computer before going mental09:10
webdwarffriends dont install XP on friends computers09:10
webdwarftsk tsk09:10
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: i play gnometris a fair bit, but i dont have time to get games going mostly :(09:10
Hobbseewebdwarf: yeah, i wish09:14
Hobbseeshe also plays sims 209:14
Hobbsee:( @ Kamping_Kaiser 09:14
Kamping_Kaiser:O @ Hobbsee09:15
Kamping_Kaiser:( for me :(09:15
damnhilWhat's "Beaners"  From the book, "the tortilla curtain",page62: "Fucking Beaners. Rip it up, man. Destroy it"09:16
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Kamping_Kaiserwtf has that got to do with anything?09:17
webdwarfthats just weird :P09:17
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Hobbseeactually, i'm pleased to note that in installing XP on said friend's computer, things "just didnt work" (tm)09:19
Kamping_Kaiserfunny that :P09:20
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Hobbseemonitor screwed up and went all furry, and unreadable09:21
Hobbseeher hubby spent 3 days trying to fix it, before giving up and going back to 9809:21
Kamping_Kaisergoing back to 98? they must have been desperate09:22
Hobbseei think they were09:22
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fatejudgerbeaners are Mexicans09:35
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_igorhello all09:43
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_igori have problem here09:45
_igori installed several program and there's error ini qt, but qt already installed on my kubuntu breezy09:46
_igorQt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found09:46
Kamping_Kaiserare you trying to compile something?09:47
webdwarfapt-cache search libqt09:47
webdwarfsee if theres anything there that looks like it might be needed09:47
webdwarfi would start with libqt4-core if it isnt already installed09:48
webdwarfand libqt4-dev09:48
_igorok i'll try09:48
webdwarfalso libqt3-headers if it needs qt3 things09:49
webdwarfyeah that :P09:49
Tm_Tapt-get build-dep <packagename> is a good start ;)09:49
_igoryou mean libqt4-qt3support09:49
Tm_Tno, libqt3-headers09:49
webdwarfpossibly.. it usually doesnt hurt to install them all.. they're just libs09:50
webdwarfthe more the merrier :P to some extent anyway09:50
asranieldoes someone know where i can find a good tutorial how to install java? i did what was in the ubuntu wiki, but now i hav to set the env variables like $java_home and so09:52
webdwarfwhat exactly are u trying to install? java compiler? or just java runtimes?09:52
motyRtry this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7042809:53
motyRdeos brezzy is slower than hoary, or what?09:56
asranielmotyR: doesent work, there is now java command after that, and no javac too09:57
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motyRasraniel: just fallaw the steps , works on my side09:58
_igorhi again09:58
motyRTm_T: well i get the fealing that every thhing is slower on breezy:(09:59
_igorit's not working-->checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0 and < 4.0) not found.09:59
asranielmotyR: did that.. well.. hmm.. perhaps it will work better with classpath + jamvm10:00
motyRhave u install both jdk and jre?10:00
_igori tried apt-get libqt3-headers, libqt4-dev and core10:00
_igorstill not work10:00
Tm_T_igor: what you'er compiling?10:02
asranielmotyR: first i tried the jdk, didnt work, then unistalled it and tried the jre, didnt work. the thing is, its installed, but if i type java, gcj is called and not the sun jre10:02
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motyRasraniel: well i have tham both on my system10:04
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_igor<Tm_T> _igor: what you'er compiling? kiptablesgenerator10:05
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_igorfrom kde-apps10:06
asranielmotyR: i will try to unistall gcj, perhaps then it works, but i doubt. i think the problem is that java_home is not set, so linux doesent know where to search for the java bin10:06
_igornot only kiptablesgenerator, other program have same problem10:06
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Tm_T_igor: ah, how about trying "apt-get build-dep kde-network"10:09
_igorok i'll try10:09
_igorYou must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list10:10
_igordo i must change in /apt/source.list?10:11
Tm_Tyou can10:13
Tm_Tit might help :)10:14
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JonasNZbreezy backports doesnt exist yet does it? W: Couldn't stat source package list http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)10:16
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Tm_TJonasNZ: breezy hasn't released yet, so no backports yet10:19
asranielmotyR: works now, had do uninstall gcj10:19
JonasNZTm_T, thats what i thought10:21
Tm_TJonasNZ: backports are "addition to release"10:21
aftertafbreezy not being released yet..... ;)10:22
JonasNZhehe, no need to rub it in, this is the first time ive used a deb based repo system10:23
Lupin__IIIhi all. i've a big problem. kmail doesn't work anymore with gpg10:23
Lupin__IIIuntil last week, worked fine, now not at all10:23
Lupin__IIIi've followed, this howto:10:24
Lupin__IIItryed several times10:24
Lupin__IIIaegypten works, user-agent, works10:25
Lupin__IIIno integration with kmail10:25
Lupin__IIIGpgME backend entry for OpenPGP is greyed out10:25
Lupin__IIIif try to rescan it says that gpgme i sompiled without support for openpgp10:26
_igorchecking for KDE... configure: error:10:26
_igorin the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.10:26
Lupin__IIIgoing to check10:27
_igorstill eror Tm_T10:27
Tm_T_igor: prefix...10:28
Tm_T./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`10:28
_igori'm still not understand about it, i'm new in linux10:28
asranieli have one big problem with kubuntu.. i have two soundcards, how can i tell alsa to use the second one as the default one? i could only change it in arts10:30
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amuLupin__III: do you check the buildlogs ? 10:34
Lupin__IIIwell, first time i've set it up, i've compiled nothing10:35
Lupin__IIIand worked like a charm10:35
amuLupin__III: do you use the breezy packages ? 10:36
amuand no gpg support ? 10:36
Lupin__IIIno in kmail10:36
Lupin__IIIpinentry works well10:36
Lupin__IIIecho "test" | gpg -ase -r 0xDEADBEEF | gpg10:37
Lupin__IIIi can't integrate with kmail10:37
amuyou mean, kmail in combination with gpg doesnt work? 10:37
Lupin__IIIGpgME backend entry for OpenPGP is greyed out10:38
amuwhat doesnt not work, signing a key, verify or crypt/encrypt? 10:38
Lupin__IIIi cant do anithing with gpg in kmail10:38
Lupin__IIIalso setup an identity to use a sign10:39
amugpg-agent is running? 10:39
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amuletme check, that's very very important :) 10:39
Lupin__IIIi've followed this howto10:39
Lupin__IIIit works very well untill "Check it Works in KMail"10:40
amutakes a bit, i just installed breezy on my desk10:40
Lupin__IIIfrom this point, no lock10:40
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Lupin__IIIi've tried to recompile as said in the howto10:41
Lupin__IIIno error10:41
Lupin__IIIgpg-agent and pinentry keep workin well. non integration with kmail10:42
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Lupin__IIIi've also tried to downgrade some packages, like gnupg, kleopatra, libgpgme ecc.10:43
Lupin__IIIstill same result10:43
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Lupin__IIIcrypto backend is broken10:49
Lupin__IIIi guess10:49
Lupin__IIIdo you think libcrypto++ has to be installed, amu?10:51
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Cueball|WorkHiya all. How can I upgrade my KDE?10:53
Lupin__IIIscdaemon[14995] : NOTE: this is a development version!10:54
Lupin__IIIgpgconf: warning: can not open config file /home/lupin/.gnupg/scdaemon.conf: No such file or directory10:54
Lupin__IIIdirmngr[14998] : error opening `/home/lupin/.gnupg/dirmngr_ldapservers.conf': No such file or directory10:54
Lupin__IIIgpgconf: warning: can not open list file /home/lupin/.gnupg/dirmngr_ldapservers.conf: No such file or directory10:54
Lupin__IIIgpgsm: It is only intended for test purposes and should NOT be10:54
Lupin__IIIgpgsm: used in a production environment or with production keys!10:54
Lupin__IIIgpgconf: warning: can not open config file /home/lupin/.gnupg/gpgsm.conf: No such file or directory10:54
Lupin__IIIASSERT: "0" in /build/buildd/kdepim-3.4.3/./kmail/kmreaderwin.cpp (1098)10:54
Lupin__IIIthat is if i run kmail fron console10:54
Cueball|WorkI'm using Ububtu with KDE package.10:55
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Lupin__IIIamu: some hints?11:00
amuLupin__III: just setting it up ... first problem by default there isnt any agant installed 11:00
amu*agent 11:00
Lupin__IIIok, in the meantime try to google a bit11:01
Lupin__IIIin search of enlightment ;-)11:01
amucheck the buildlogs, there you can see if openpgp is supported or not 11:03
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amuLupin__III: it's a buildproblem11:07
Lupin__IIIbuild problem?11:07
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Lupin__IIIfirst time, i've compiled nothing11:08
Lupin__IIIand worked11:08
amuwhile building the package(s) some builddeps are missing 11:08
amu*** Could not find GnuPG, install GnuPG or use --with-gpg=PATH to enable it11:08
amutell me the buildlog 11:08
Lupin__IIIi've followed the howto, right?11:09
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Lupin__IIIyou, i mean11:09
Lupin__IIIso, the problem results also in the deb binaries, right?11:11
Lupin__IIIcompiling what the ubildlog says to you "*** Could not find GnuPG, install GnuPG or use --with-gpg=PATH to enable it"11:11
Telex4Ahoy, I've just upgraded from hoary -> breezy on a new install, and now I have two odd problems: konsole won't open a session (so I'm stuck with xterm) and every time I use kdesu it gives me that error "The program 'su' is not found; make sure your PATH is set correctly"... I've tried moving my .bash* files but that didn't help :/11:12
amuthe problem exist in the binaries als well in the source packages.11:14
amuthe fix is easy ( debian/control ) if the api isnt changed with 3.4.311:15
Lupin__IIIcould you fix it?11:15
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Lupin__IIIexactly what package has this problem? gnupg?11:16
Lupin__IIITelex4: try to reinstall kdebase-bin11:17
amui've to ask Riddell, what he did, and why he removed the builddepends11:18
amuLupin__III: the excat problem, are the builddepends of kdepim 11:18
Lupin__IIItrying to downgrade kdepim?11:19
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Lupin__IIIthat's very strange11:20
amuif kdepim isnt compiled with gpg support, it will never work correctly. kdepim has it's own gpg function, you can verify with them signature, more isnt possible ( like crypt / encrypt gpg crypted messages ) 11:20
Lupin__IIIbut i've not kdepim...11:20
amu... finally smaine isnt supported by ubuntu :) therefore you have to compile/modify the packages for yourself  11:21
Telex4Lupin__III: ok, I'll give it a go11:21
amukdepim is the metapackage 11:21
amuthat includes ex. kmail11:21
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Lupin__IIIcan you suggest me something to workaround until it's fixed?11:22
Ben1984How do I kill processes?11:24
amuno way, if you use the debpackage, you need the missing builddepends, than a recompile and you get a new set of packages 11:24
Cueball|WorkBen1984, Do you have the window of the program up?11:24
Cueball|WorkIf so you can press Ctrl-Alt-Esc and you get a kill cursor. Just click on the window11:25
Ben1984it's Adept...i stopped it in the middle of Committing Changes and closed the window; seems th eprocess is still running11:25
Telex4Lupin__III: nope, didn't work11:25
Ben1984It says I have Insufficient Permissions11:25
Lupin__IIIamu: thanks a lot11:26
Cueball|WorkIf you need to kill another you can find out it's pid and kill it from the console by typing  kill -9 <pid>11:26
Cueball|WorkBen1984, You probably need to be root to kill it then11:26
Lupin__IIITelex4: kdesu or konsole11:26
Telex4Lupin__III: neither11:26
Ben1984so sudo kill -9?11:26
amuLupin__III: just tell it Riddell, that kdepim is broken, unfortunately i've no time at the moment for it 11:27
Ben1984got it11:27
Cueball|WorkBen1984, Yeah but you need to add the program's pid to the end11:27
Ben1984i know11:27
Ben1984whats the -9 for?11:27
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Lupin__IIIamu: many thanks11:27
Telex4Lupin__III: when I run konsole from an xterm it spits out "kdecore (KProcess): WARNING: Can't open a pseudo teletyp"11:27
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Lupin__IIITelex4: have you tryed to dist-upgrade?11:29
Telex4Lupin__III: that's what I just performed :/11:29
Ben1984whats the best IRC app?11:30
Telex4Lupin__III: I just tried sudo konsole, and that worked fine!11:30
nikkiaBen1984: most people that try a recent (ie, not the 2.something in the repos.) version of kvirc never look back :)11:33
nikkia!info kvirc breezy11:33
ubotukvirc: (Fully scriptable graphical IRC client with plugin support), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2: (breezy), Packaged size: 1365 kB, Installed size: 4064 kB11:33
nikkianope, still a waaaay old version11:34
Lupin__IIIkopete works fine11:34
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bdmplupin__III: Do you live in Japan?11:35
bdmpJust curious11:35
Ben1984thanks Nikkia11:35
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aftertafenlightenment is better that everything11:40
aftertaf :)11:40
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buztop says 1min load is in excess of 6 but cpu is 70% idle like forever?11:42
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nikkiaBen1984-2: yes?11:45
Ben1984-2How do i emote someone?11:45
nikkiaBen1984-2: i have no idea what that means...11:45
Kamping_Kaisermessage iirc11:46
Ben1984-2like do you type my name before you speak11:46
morrowhmmm.. any reason why /usr/X11R6/lib is not in ld.so.conf after installing Breezy RC?11:46
Ben1984-2or is there someone to automatically do it?11:46
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nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: well, its a mix of terminology, emote normally means /me11:46
Kamping_Kaiserah ok.11:47
nikkiaBen1984-2: i type 'ben' then hit tab, it fills in the rest11:47
Kamping_KaiserBen1984-2: i have to hit ben1, because theres a ben_ ;)11:47
Ben1984-2oh ok11:47
nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: the only logical meaning of 'emote somebody' really, would be use of /me in messages, which is actually non-standard, although almost all clients support it :)11:47
Ben1984-2Kamping_Kaiser: testing11:47
Kamping_Kaiser:) yep11:47
znhHail to the king, babies!11:48
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cyneanyone had luck with nvidia-glx yet?11:50
znhyeah it's a friggin working driver.. :] ] 11:51
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cyneznh, since when?11:52
rodrigoWhat you guys use: Gnome or KDE?11:52
znhcyne, since I exist11:52
cynerodrigo: KDE11:52
cyneznh: ok then, but what about the driver11:52
rodrigome 211:52
aftertafany ops about?11:53
znhrodrigo, are you aware that this channel is for kubuntu :p11:53
rodrigoI thought I was in ubuntu11:53
cyneznh: do you use it?11:53
znhcyne, currently; no11:53
rodrigoznh:   Actually,  I am running an ubuntu dist and I just downloaded kde and erased gnome (I hope)11:54
znhrodrigo, okay.. 90% of this channel uses KDE :)11:55
rodrigoznh, do u use Synaptic?11:55
znhrodrigo, no; I hate that11:55
jpatrickrodrigo: Adept rocks11:56
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rodrigoznh, Why?11:56
rodrigoznh, I like it.11:56
ubotumethinks ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth11:56
znhrodrigo, I prefer commandline applications, they are way faster and more straight11:56
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Cueball|Workhey all. I'd like to upgrade to a later version of KDE >= 3.4.211:56
aftertafget kde 3.5 beta11:57
rodrigoznh, aptitude is great 11:57
znhaftertaf, you can also do that in a query11:57
Cueball|WorkWhat do I need to add to sources.list?11:57
znhrodrigo, so is apt-get11:57
aftertafznh:  do whatin a query?11:57
znhaftertaf, !ops11:57
aftertafi did....11:57
znhnot really, but whocares :)11:57
guillemone question?11:58
jpatrickguillem: fire away11:58
rodrigoznh, But aptitude doesn't run well in a X Shell.11:59
guillemthere's no x-window-system in kubunt?11:59
znhrodrigo, aptitude is just a front-end for apt-get, why should you use it :b11:59
znhI am off for a poo11:59
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rodrigoI wish I could run Warcraft III on my kubuntu12:00
steve_donyou can with cedega12:01
rodrigoI ve tried it once. But it didn't work 12:01
steve_donwhat went wrong ?12:01
steve_donive had it working ok in the past12:01
rodrigoIt froze in the opening screen12:01
rodrigoAnother problem is that I wouldn't be able to play bnet games12:02
steve_dondid you check on the cedega forums there are a few config settings you need to change12:02
rodrigoI didn't go that futher12:02
rodrigoI have fun playing on bnet. No-CD cracks 12:03
rodrigodon't let you, I guess. They work for older versions12:03
rodrigowarcraft is version 1.2012:03
Ben1984where do i get ATi drivers for Kubuntu at?12:04
Cueball|Workaftertaf, What do I need in the sources.list to get kde 3.5 beta?12:04
aftertafer... hang on :)12:04
rodrigoDo you guys ever programmed Visual Basic Macros on Exvel?12:04
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ubotuhmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx12:05
aftertafdeb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main12:05
rodrigobye, everyone. Thanks!12:06
rodrigoM$ Excel12:07
`Nomadmix of Excel and vi ?  :)12:07
`Nomadrodrigo: There's probably a channel fo rthat on freenode12:08
rodrigoI ll try later12:08
rodrigogood day, folks!12:09
`Nomadok, have a good day12:09
Cueball|WorkCheers aftertaf 12:10
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Cueball|Workaftertaf, Do I need to be breezy for that?12:12
aftertafyes, or change to hoary..... in the deb line.    12:13
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ubotuBen1984: What?12:13
ubotuI guess install is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation12:13
aftertafthere was a link in the topic before but it has gone.12:13
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Cueball|Workaftertaf, How stable is it cos this is my works machine and I need it to work12:13
Ben1984how do i install a .deb file?12:13
Cueball|WorkBen1984, dpkg --install filename.deb12:13
aftertafbreezy is very stable IMHO now12:14
aftertafkde3.5 works fine too.... there is a bug on install you get around with dpkg, 12:14
aftertafif you prefer to wait, wait. no pressure from me to upgrade ;)12:14
aftertafanyhow, i'm off for foodage ;)12:14
Ben1984dpkg: error processing skype (--install):12:15
Ben1984 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured12:15
Ben1984Errors were encountered while processing:12:15
Ben1984 skype12:15
Cueball|WorkHmm. Ok I'll definatly try it at home but I best stick to hoary in work. But I do need a newer KDE release than KDE 3.4.0 as Kopete is buggy in this version12:15
Ben1984didnt work12:15
Ben1984 skype depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:; however:12:16
Ben1984  Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.12:16
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aftertafbroken package12:16
aftertafseveas has a version without that dependance12:16
aftertafCueball|Work:  3.4.2....12:17
aftertafits in breezy.12:17
aftertafkde in breezy seems fine, seriously. gnomegets a bit messy for some., but kde is better anyway :)12:17
Cueball|Workdeb http://kubuntu.org/kde342 breezy main <--- By any chance?12:17
corujawhat about kde 3.4.3?12:17
aftertafCueball|Work:  yep ;)12:18
Cueball|Work3.4.3 will do  if it's avail too :)12:18
aftertaf3.4.3 is in breezy i think. and 3.5 beta is getting ready for release, only core packages for now.... not in breezy yet12:18
corujayes, it's in breezy12:18
corujai'm running it after updates yesterday/today12:19
ubotuBen1984: Did you get hit by a windmill?12:19
Ben1984Wow..even the bot is a complete a$$hole....12:20
Cueball|Workcoruja, What dir is 3.4.3 in?12:20
Cueball|WorkLoL Ben198412:20
corujaCueball|Work: dir? it's in the breezy repos, basically in main12:21
corujai don't know if it's also available for hoary12:22
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afd_hi! I'm using breezy. How should I go about installing kde 3.5?12:27
ubotuI haven't a clue, buz12:27
ubotuwell, list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage12:28
steve_donadd this to your sources list  deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main12:28
steve_donI just tried it and it worked fine12:28
afd_steve_don, thanks, I'll try12:28
steve_donif you get a problem with the pgp key when you update have a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8763.html12:29
steve_donthe instructions in there will get you moving12:29
Ben1984how do i access my sources.list12:30
steve_donsudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to edit it12:30
jpatrickBen1984: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list12:30
afd_I have breeze + kde 3.4.2 and in konqueror I only have "Ubuntu web" view profile. Any idea how to create a new profile? I didn't see anything obvious12:33
Ben1984...and they said this was easier than windows...12:33
afd_ok, I found it. But no "load profile" option...12:34
afd_nevermind me :) I've added to the toolbar by hand. I may not have installed kde properly, with all the packages, or something12:36
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uboturumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx12:44
Ben1984yay, i got my ATI card installed12:45
Kaiser_awayfreeks sake :\ this mirror is getting bigger by the minute. its already 800M bigger tehn i thought it was12:46
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Ben1984Why do I have to type a password  in for programs everytime i restart the computer?12:53
ubotuBen1984: Syntax error in line 112:53
ubotuBen1984: I don't know, could you explain it?12:53
Kamping_KaiserBen1984: what programs?12:53
aftertafBen1984:  depends what.. run bu sudo?12:53
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Ben1984i check "Kepp password" but it asks me every time for it12:56
mornfallthat's not my fault (tm)12:57
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aftertafBen1984:  keep password doent work after reboots.12:58
CzarAlexThe kalarm thingy always boots up even after i uncheck the box stating to do so. How can I remove this?12:58
CzarAlexand how can I get the update notification icon to appear when I have updates? I just manually checked and I had 99 updates. :(01:00
Ben1984i had 170+01:00
Ben1984dont feel bad01:01
CzarAlexheh is there a way to make it appear like it does in gnome?01:01
aftertafCzarAlex:  yes, run gnome.... ;)01:01
Ben1984i dunno....i'm a newbie01:01
CzarAlexaftertaf, no notification in KDE?01:01
aftertafnever tried, i just run it myself from time to time.01:01
Ben1984any audio sound enhancers?01:02
Ben1984like DFX?01:02
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CzarAlexhow about the korganizer thing that pops up when i start the comp?01:04
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aftertafdisable it... if you dont use it.01:07
aftertafthe alarm demon runs cos of that.01:07
CzarAlexi uncheck the box. yet it appears each time i restart01:07
ubotuBen1984: I don't know01:08
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CzarAlexaftertaf, sounds like a permission problem but how do I either 1)run a sudo command from the terminal to disable it or 2)within KDE, act as SU01:09
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aftertafCzarAlex:  open the app and search around, you might find a 'dont start on boot' option01:10
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CzarAlexaftertaf, I found on just by right clicking on the tray icon, but even after i unchecked it, it still ran. Happens every day now. Lemme see what inside the program01:11
aftertafmight be sth there...... in config01:11
CzarAlexok lemme try now. brb01:12
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Ben1984What's a good Audio app?01:12
asranielben 1984: amarok of course01:13
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Ben1984im not liking it01:14
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subhi, I'm new to kubuntu, can anyone tell me how to install koffice?01:16
Kamping_Kaisersub: using kubuntu hoary?01:18
subKamping_Kaiser, yes01:18
Kamping_Kaisertheres a tool called 'kynaptic'. search koffice there, and you can install through kynaptic01:18
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Kamping_Kaiserwb Hobbsee01:20
Hobbseety Kamping_Kaiser 01:20
subit doesnt appear to be listet in kynaptic :(01:20
Hobbseestill figuring out whether to stick 98 or XP on the gaming partition, as neither would be connected to th net01:21
aftertafsub:  install adet01:21
Hobbseewhat's this, sub?  what are you looking for?01:21
Riddellsub: it's in universe01:21
Riddellsub: you either need to edit /etc/apt/sourses.list for universe, or wait 24 hours for breezy and install that then install koffice (which is in main in breezy)01:21
subHobbsee, trying to install koffice for hoary01:21
Ben1984is koffice better than openoffice?01:22
Hobbseesub: ah...01:22
HobbseeBen1984: from what i hear, it's faster, but doesnt have as many features01:22
Hobbseeit's probably a matter of personal taste, as well01:22
Riddellsub: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-142.php01:22
subI already saw that Riddell 01:23
subbut don't know what to do now :)01:23
Hobbseeadd those to your sources list01:23
Hobbseeie sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list01:24
Riddellsub: hoary doesn't have a GUI way to edit /etc/apt/sources.list, you need to go to /etc/apt in konqueror, right click sources.list and choose Edit as Root01:24
Hobbseecan you add all, or just one?01:24
RiddellHobbsee: don't use sudo with KDE programs!01:24
Riddelluse kdesu01:24
Hobbseekdesu then01:24
jpatrickHobbsee: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list01:24
Hobbseei've never understood why not though01:24
jpatrickit's safer01:24
Hobbseesafer?  how?  *is confused*01:25
Hobbseeor should i clearly not ask01:25
subWhat do I have to edit in sources.list?01:25
subdoesnt debian/ubuntu have one single package tree?01:25
jpatrickadd the deb source01:25
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: using sudo in gui can overwrite files as root you dont want root to won01:25
jpatrickHobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo01:26
Hobbseebut...the only reason i do go in to, say konqueror, is precisely to edit the files that are owned by root!  otherwise, i'd do it under my normal account01:26
Ben1984How do i remove the taskbar elemnt for Amarok01:29
Hobbseemmm...i see...so something about the environment not being set up correctly when using sudo01:30
HobbseeBen1984: settings, configure amarok, show tray icon box01:31
Hobbseeand the assorted options off there, like it flashing01:31
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aftertafor turning the damn thing off.01:32
cynehow do i restart x without rebooting?01:32
Ben1984thats not what i meant01:33
Ben1984i want the tray icon01:33
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steve_doncyne: you can use ctrl+alt+backspace01:33
aftertafcyne CTL ALT BACKSPACE01:33
Ben1984not the bar01:33
aftertafseemed to work :)01:33
Hobbseeyou can close the program from the taskbar, and it will still sit in the tray01:33
Ben1984so when i minimize it dissappears from the bar01:33
Ben1984got it01:34
Ben1984thanks :)01:34
Hobbseeit's very neat that01:34
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Ben1984my printer still doesnt work01:37
aftertafBen1984:  arf!01:37
Ben1984yeah, havent found the driver yet01:38
aftertafworking today.01:39
aftertafe17 rox01:39
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aftertafBen1984:  was it kyocera or lexmark, the equivalent?01:41
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Hobbseehmmm...you've reminded me that i ought to try and get my printer working01:41
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Hobbseehttp://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_500 - it says it works perfectly, kde printing wizard has never been able to detect it...01:42
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Sonnyquick question  >>01:43
Ben1984Lexmark is the equivalent01:43
Ben1984it's a DELL AIO 94001:43
Sonnyi just downloaded kubuntu iso on cd, is its OK to instal that on my pc or should I wait for the offical release which is tomorrow..   01:43
Ben1984thats what it looks like01:44
Hobbseeyou can install it now, and update it with the adept update manager, you dont have to get another cd of it01:44
aftertafnot exactly same, but worth a try01:44
Sonnyhello hobbsee,, thanks for responce.. I will install it later this evening..01:45
Hobbseeno problems01:45
Ben1984hmmm i chose a close lexmark driver and the printer did something01:47
Ben1984but stoppe.d..lol01:47
Hobbseewhy oh why does the kde printing wizard default all printers to be using US letter, and not A4?  I thought A4 was the standard01:47
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Ben1984i need to follow directions01:48
Ben1984i think i hit close before it was done testing01:48
Ben1984now it doesnt do anything01:49
cynehow do i tell what version of XORG i have?01:49
cynei'm trying to turn on translucency in the window behaviours01:49
cynebut x is complaining01:49
cyneit says i must have >= XOrg 6.801:50
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cyneoh there we go sudo X -version returns 6.8.201:51
aftertafBen1984:  try again, with another lex driver .... ;)01:52
cynehere i go again 01:52
Hobbseein kde print wizard, why is there suddenly an option for hp:/no_device_found as a place for the printer to be01:53
Hobbseedoes it work?01:53
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Ben1984how do you restart x?01:55
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Hobbseectrl + alt + backspace01:55
aftertaftried Lexmark X5150,01:55
aftertafCTL ALT backspace01:56
Ben1984i did ctl alt esc01:56
Ben1984and something happened01:56
Ben1984i got skelton bones01:56
Ben1984and my taskbar dissappeared01:56
Hobbseealt+f2, type kicker01:57
aftertaftoo late01:57
Hobbseeah, yes, so it is01:57
Hobbseegood old xkill :P01:57
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HobbseeBen1984: alt+f2, type kicker would have fixed it01:57
aftertafHobbsee:  laptop is at 46?01:58
Hobbseeas in, yours is?01:58
Hobbseevery low temp for a laptop, compared to mine at least01:58
aftertafyep.    with e i see sensors info :)01:58
Hobbseemine generally starts at 45 or so, usually 50, and stays at around 65-70 C01:58
Hobbsee:P finally...yay!01:58
aftertafhad it propped on a cd box, for air. seeing if it gets hotter now without01:58
aftertafwith e, not with kde though :/01:59
Ben1984im gonna restart all the way01:59
Hobbseehow do i see what devices are connected to this laptop, in particular, parallel port01:59
aftertafthat, i dont knwo..... :/02:00
Hobbseemmm...wish you did02:00
Hobbseethat would tell me if kde wasnt detecting my printer, or if the entire linux isnt detecting my printer02:00
aftertafoff to get coffee and read E17 ser guide02:00
aftertaflsmod for parport module (i think)02:01
Hobbseeyou're reading a user guide?  shame on you! :P02:01
aftertafsee if parallel port is loaded02:01
aftertafloooool;)   you seen enlightenment WM ?02:01
Hobbseeparport                32072  2 parport_pc,lp02:01
aftertafsee the "lp" bit.02:01
Hobbseedoes that mean the printer loaded?02:01
aftertafline printer module loaded.   so linux sees your printer i think02:02
Hobbseemmm...then why does kde printing manager not see it?02:02
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Hobbseeprinting manager, that is02:02
Sonnydoes anybody know a good link or advice in how to set up my Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-t PCI Freeview Receiver, been looking around on google but not getting much information.02:02
Hobbseeis there any way i can add a printer via the terminal?02:03
aftertaftry lp text in console02:03
aftertafhehehe we thought at the same time ;)02:03
aftertaflp (LP)02:03
Hobbseewith (LP) being what?02:03
Hobbseesarah@sarah:~$ lp (LP)02:03
Hobbseebash: syntax error near unexpected token `LP'02:03
aftertafcapitals :)02:04
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Hobbseethe model of laser printer?02:04
aftertaflp textfile02:04
aftertafline printer, it means02:04
Hobbseeso what am i supposed to type lol?  i'm lost here02:04
aftertafthe command is "  hobbsee@yourPC$ lp anytextfile02:04
aftertaflp /etc/apt/sources.list02:05
Hobbseeah...which prints the sources.list?02:05
Hobbseeit's sending it to the study printer, i want it to go to the one above my desk done connected via parallel port!02:05
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aftertafi need that coffee though..... :)02:06
Hobbseeok, go grab the coffee, then you can help me02:06
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Hobbseethe study one detects without a problem, and works beautifully...but i want this one to work!02:06
aftertafi dont know. 2nd time i my life ive printed with linux02:06
aftertafis it installed in CUPS?02:06
Hobbseehow do i tell?02:06
aftertafopen CUPS and look ;P02:06
Hobbseeas you can see, i'm not great with printers in linux02:06
aftertafyou'll see it.02:07
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Hobbseehow do i open CUPS lol?02:07
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steve_dontry http://localhost:631/admin from a browser02:08
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aftertafsystem menu>periphs02:08
Hobbseeno periphs menu...02:08
aftertafAdministrative commands are disabled in the web interface for security reasons. Please use the GNOME CUPS manager (System > Administration > Printing).02:09
aftertafnice tip though :)02:09
Hobbseeand the username and password would be?  that's what i thought02:09
Hobbseeand i dont have gnome02:09
aftertafHobbsee:  im not on kde so i cant remember where...02:09
aftertafControl center> hardware?02:09
aftertafits in there somewhere...02:09
Hobbseeah...i see02:09
Hobbseelooks like CUPS wasnt even running02:10
Hobbseewhich raises the interesting question of hwo i could print to a windows printer02:10
aftertaflike i said, not an expert on this.....02:10
aftertafgood point :)02:10
HobbseeUnable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager:02:11
HobbseeConnection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused.02:11
Hobbseewhen attempting to configure CUPS02:11
thoreauputicIIRC you can enable the web interface for cups by adding the cupsys user to the shadow group or something like that02:11
Hobbseeand CUPS definetly isnt currently running, due to another error message when i try and restart02:11
steve_dontry /etc/init.d/cupsys start to get it going02:12
Hobbseeah...that's started CUPS at leats02:13
HobbseeUnable to restart print server. Error message received from manager:02:14
HobbseeUnable to find a running CUPS server02:14
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Ben1984how do i get passed this CUPS password thingy?02:21
Ben1984This is getting on my  nerves...lol02:21
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cyneyeah baby tranlucency is here02:22
Hobbseelol...same here Ben1984 - these printers are sure overrated!02:23
cyneHobbsee: do you know what "GLX" is ?02:23
Hobbseesomething to do with graphcs acceleration, i think02:24
Hobbseebut that's a complete guess and could be very wrotn02:24
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Hobbseeand it's part of rss-glx, which are those nifty open-gl screensavers :P02:25
cynei see02:25
Hobbseebut those are complete guesses and not very helpful02:25
ubotuparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Hobbsee02:26
Hobbseemmm...thought so02:26
cynehmm i thought i saw an nvidia option to allow glx with composite but it appears to have been my imagination02:26
Hobbseelol...it's those hiding menu options02:27
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LaserLineHello all...02:29
LaserLineI have a simple question...02:29
jpatrickLaserLine: hello & fire away02:30
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LaserLineWhat's the diffrence when installing the Kubuntu ISO and Installing the Ubuntu ISO, choosing Server and then 'apt-get kubuntu desktop'02:30
jpatricknot much02:30
LaserLinebut there is a diffrence?02:31
OculusAquilaeLaserLine: it needs more time on ubuntu iso02:31
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OculusAquilaebecause loading from server02:31
LaserLineSo it will just be time installing or performance/compatability issues?02:33
OculusAquilaeinstalling 02:33
OculusAquilaeit think only02:33
LaserLineOk, Thanks.02:34
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cynefinally i got translucency going within X02:36
Ben1984now i cant even select a  printer...its all greyed out02:36
Ben1984my god02:36
Ben1984configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH02:37
Ben1984See `config.log' for more details.02:37
Ben1984what does that mean02:38
Ben1984i am trying to install cups02:38
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robin_2Ben1984: why do you want to compile it?02:40
Ben1984i dunno what im doing02:41
robin_2Ben1984: cups is installed as default, so you don' thave to install it 02:42
robin_2Ben1984: you can add your printer in the system settings.02:42
Ben1984well its not working right02:42
Ben1984Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused.02:43
Hobbseein console:  /etc/init.d/cupsys start to make sure it's going02:43
Ben1984then what02:45
Ben1984cus now it doesnt have my printer listed02:45
Ben1984wow...this is a headache02:45
Hobbseei dont know, i'm having trouble with my printer too02:45
Hobbseeparallel port one, anyway02:45
Ben1984im close to reclaiming my space on this disk02:45
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Ben1984how do i make it re-detect my printer port?02:46
Ben1984without restarting my computer02:47
aftertaftry ubuntu...02:47
kinfoi don't understand.02:48
Ben1984how do i install an RPM?02:50
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whitefungiso, is the topic "test adept (in Breezy) (apt-get dist-upgrade if you don't have it)" true?!?02:50
ubotuBen1984: What?02:51
apokryphoswhitefungi: ?02:51
ubotu[alien]  a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/02:51
ubotuparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Hobbsee02:51
whitefungiapparently, I will need to change my mirrors to work, as I'm not gettting breezy from that command.02:51
Ben1984i have enough problems02:51
apokryphoswhitefungi: no, that command doesn't give you breezy02:51
Ravenskywhere is kubuntu's Grub config file?02:51
whitefungitopic is a little misleading. ;)02:52
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whitefungiapokryphos: heh, thanks.  'tis ok though.  no biggiee.02:52
apokryphoswhitefungi: to get breezy /msg ubotu breezy02:52
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HobbseeRavensky: /boot/grub/menu.lst02:54
Ben1984Hobb i have been asking that ll night02:55
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Hobbseeasking which?02:56
Hobbseeabout the rpm?02:56
Ben1984about the configuring the bootloader02:56
Hobbseehow were you wanting to configure it02:57
Ben1984i got it02:58
Ben1984do i have both kernels installed?02:59
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Hobbseeyou dist-upgraded to breezy?02:59
Hobbseehmmm...you could, not sure02:59
Flokerhi there03:00
Ben1984i installed breezy orig.03:00
Hobbseedont know how to tell you either sorry03:00
Hobbseehi floker03:00
Floker<-- boon with queszion03:00
Ben1984it says on the boot loader03:00
Ben1984Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-38603:00
Flokerhi hobbsee :D03:00
Ben1984Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-8-38603:00
HobbseeFloker: shoot03:00
Hobbseeah, well there you go03:00
Ben1984it happened after i upgraded with the package manager03:00
Ben1984can i put this (#) in front?03:01
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Ben1984to make the 8 one not show03:01
Flokerlike, when i have a programm, a java program wich runs with "cd /home/stefano/Java/something/something.java" - "java something", and i want to use it from anywhere with "something" e.g. when i do some stuff in the console03:01
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Flokerhow do i do this?03:01
LaserLineDoes a Kubuntu server installation identical to a Ubuntu server installation ?03:01
Hobbseethink so03:02
Hobbseeassuming server installation doesnt install either kde or gnome03:02
Kamping_KaiserBen1984: yes. but you may as well remove the kernel03:02
aftertafwould think so// no specific gnome or kde packages in server install.03:02
LaserLineDoes anyone know where I can find a list of all installed packages of a server installation ?03:02
LaserLinein breezyt03:02
Flokeri think i have to write a shellscript and set some kind of variable to execute it without changing the path manually03:02
Flokerhow do i do this? again :D03:02
Kamping_KaiserLaserLine: try apt-cache show ubuntu-server or similar03:03
Flokerthen he have to try it on both ubuntu and kubuntu and compare the results03:03
Flokerkinda complicated. i suggest to write to the kubuntu people03:03
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ubotumethinks cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/03:04
Kamping_KaiserLaserLine: yes, the servers are the same03:04
aftertafFloker:  ^^^03:04
LaserLineIs there a list on the net of all installed packages in server mode?03:05
Flokerargh :D03:05
Kamping_KaiserLaserLine: i can pastebin ubuntu-server or similar if you want, but not sure where to find a list per sey. try the wiki ???03:06
LaserLineKamping_Kaiser I'd really like that if you could paste bin, I searched the wiki, didn't find a thing.03:11
Kamping_Kaisernot sure its a full list, but here is ubuntu-minimal03:13
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apokryphosthe server also has the ubuntu-standard packs03:15
Kamping_Kaiserhm. realy?03:16
apokryphosactually, I *presume* so ;-)03:16
apokryphossince I think the server install is essentially ubuntu-base03:16
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Kamping_Kaiserhm. ok03:17
Kamping_Kaiserhttp://pastebin.com/391153 has both ;)03:17
apokryphosthinking about it, the server=ubuntu-base is kind of a shot in the dark, but I don't see other server packs. Though there is an edubuntu-server pack03:18
Kamping_Kaiseri did a search for ubuntu |grep server ;)03:18
Kamping_Kaisercame up short, so i asumed its a 'core' type package03:18
LaserLineHow did you generate this list ?03:20
Kamping_Kaiserapt-cache show $package (look in the pastebin :))03:21
LaserLinelooked :-)03:21
LaserLineI'll tell you why I ask...03:21
LaserLineI have a low end system03:22
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LaserLineand Kubuntu/Ubuntu work too slow.03:22
Kamping_Kaiserhow low end?03:22
LaserLineXubuntu doesn't have packages that are identicle with Kubuntu and Ubuntu, let's say ACPI 03:22
LaserLineI have a P3 600MHZ with 256MB ram laptop03:22
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Kamping_Kaiserto low?????03:23
jeroenvrphi folks03:23
jeroenvrpI succesfullt installed Kubuntu :-)03:23
LaserLineIt's a 4200RPM drive, it's a SLOW system. believe me... it's old.03:23
Kamping_Kaiserthis is a laptop, 450Mhz, 256m ram. i know desktop PCs - 233, 96MB ram running ubuntu03:23
Kamping_Kaiserjeroenvrp: :D:D wd03:23
LaserLineI installed Ubuntu and Kubuntu. it's running, but I want it to open up stuff faster.03:23
jpatrickLaserLine: I have a pentium II 128MB running Kubuntu03:23
jeroenvrpIs there a kicker applet or systray-icon to check for security updates?!03:23
LaserLineon hoary I had Kubuntu, Ubuntu, XFCE4 installed. and XFCE4 had the best response.03:24
jpatrickjeroenvrp: there's Adept Updater03:24
jeroenvrpI though Ubunti had this, but couln not find it03:24
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Hobbseejeroenvrp: ubuntu has this, kubuntu doesnt03:24
jeroenvrpjpatrick: yes I know, but you must do that manually03:24
jeroenvrpHobbsee: I see03:24
Hobbseehopefully we will get one soon03:24
jeroenvrpAh ok, so it is in the works I understand!?03:25
jpatrickHobbsee: I thought it was Adept03:25
LaserLineKampingKaiser, I'm not in I use KDE or Gnome because it's better debate, I can get used to what ever interface... (even though I wish Gnome would have the eyecandy of KDE :-))03:25
Hobbseei think it was a breezy bounty, but didnt get completed03:25
Kamping_KaiserLaserLine: :) im just saying your box is *not* slow by any imagination03:25
Hobbseei'd have to have a look at the kubuntu wiki03:25
jeroenvrpjpatrick: I was talking about a update-notification03:25
jpatrickit did, didn't it?03:25
LaserLineKamping_Kaiser it is slow... for me :-)03:26
Kamping_Kaiser;) LaserLine your spoiled then03:26
jeroenvrpanother questiob03:26
jeroenvrpApept Updater:03:26
Hobbseeyep:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTODO03:26
jeroenvrpIs it only updating security issues?!03:26
Kamping_Kaiserjeroenvrp: you can get updates and security updates03:27
LaserLineKamping_Kaiser not spoiled... I like to find the best useability with the best performance, and KDE nor Gnome do the job on this laptop.... I wait for a long time for software to load... maybe it's because of the s...l...o...w drive i have..03:27
Hobbseei thought it updated every package on your system, assumign there werent dependency issues03:27
jeroenvrpKamping_Kaiser: and if I only want security updates?03:27
Kamping_KaiserLaserLine: i dont use OO.o, so everythings fine :003:28
Kamping_Kaiserjeroenvrp: turn of normal updates03:28
LaserLineKamping_Kaiser what do you use?03:28
jpatrickLaserLine: Use KOffice03:28
Hobbseekoffice, probably03:28
Kamping_KaiserLaserLine: for editing docs? vim ;)03:28
Hobbseelol...you're crazy then :P03:28
Kamping_Kaiseror i ask ppl to send it plain text03:28
Kamping_Kaiserplain text=====teh good03:28
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee: i realised realy fast its better to get ppl to resend in plaintext then to try and open binary formats in vi... realy fast ;:)03:29
Hobbseelol true03:30
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jeroenvrpKamping_Kaiser: I cant find how to turn of normal updates in Adept Updater03:33
Kamping_Kaiserjeroenvrp: i dont know how to use adept03:33
jeroenvrpsomeone else?!03:34
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Hobbseemmm...cant see any option for it currently sorry03:37
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aftertafjeroenvrp:  what do you mean, turn off normal updates?03:43
jeroenvrpaftertaf: When u use 'Adept Updater' is it only updating security packages or also normal packages?03:44
Kamping_Kaiseraftertaf: he means turn off all the $version-updates lines in soruces list03:45
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aftertafjeroenvrp:  check in your repositories03:45
jeroenvrpyes that is in Adept03:45
jeroenvrpbut I mean the different application 'Adept Updater'03:45
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aftertafoh, no idea.03:45
Kamping_Kaiserperhaps i should install adapt and see what all the fus is about03:46
Kamping_Kaiserhi helpme03:46
helpmeKamping_Kaiser: hey hi dude03:46
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helpmehow do i access synaptic and certain selected gui apps without being prompted for password?? and as normal user??03:48
Kamping_Kaiserhelpme: you could add a line to your sudoers file, but thats very insecure (as long as you know)03:49
helpmeKamping_Kaiser: no other way.any gui way...like with kapability?03:50
Kamping_Kaiseri dont know a way to stop passwords to those apps, no03:50
apokryphoskapability? Never heard of it.... it might03:51
apokryphosdoesn't look like it exists :P03:52
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Doktoreasguys willhi guys03:55
Doktoreaswill brezy use 3.5b1?03:55
Kamping_Kaiserdont think so , but im not sure03:57
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aftertafDoktoreas:  nope. 03:59
aftertafnot at release.03:59
aftertafbut you can ghet it now anyway.... it is nice.03:59
aftertaf1 bug blockning install but not too hard to get around.03:59
Doktoreasi use on my gentoo04:00
helpmehow fast is kubuntu breezy guys? ive heard it will use 3.4.3??04:00
Doktoreasi need to get webcam on msn for a friend of mine04:01
robin_2Are they gonna fix the mounting problems with usbsticks (and probably other removal media) before the release.04:02
helpmeDoktoreas: im using gaim-vv......dont think it really works for webcams!04:02
jeroenvrpok I unstalled the Ubunto update manager and the only option to get only security updates are to remove the repositories from the list in there04:02
robin_2it was working, but someone how they managed to brake it.04:03
jeroenvrpthere were no sec. updates04:03
jeroenvrpanyhow now my sources.list is broken04:03
Doktoreashelpme: try kde 3.5b104:03
helpmeDoktoreas: tell ur friend to use skype or gnome-meeting...they have webcam support....but u need to create a free skype account which is simple04:03
Doktoreaskopete support webcam04:03
jeroenvrpwhere to find tht originals04:03
helpmeDoktoreas: is that a question? does kopete really support webcams?04:04
Doktoreasit support webcam04:04
jpatrickhelpme: it does04:05
Rogue_Jedi_ZeroI does?04:05
helpmeDoktoreas: hey thats great news...i never knew that!04:05
Rogue_Jedi_ZeroSame here04:05
helpmeand gaim doesn't? then kopete's better than gaim right?04:05
Rogue_Jedi_ZeroNews to me04:05
Doktoreas3.5b1 has got some very nice feature04:05
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Rogue_Jedi_Zerohelpme: Gaim doesn't but gaim-vv does. They wil be merging  soon anyway04:06
helpmeDoktoreas: have u tried kubuntu breezy? 04:06
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jpatrickI think it's only the SVN verison only04:06
Doktoreashelpme: nope04:06
Kamping_Kaiserfor gaim2 iirc04:06
helpmeRogue_Jedi_Zero: im using gaim-vv right now and i can say it doesn't04:06
Doktoreastomorrow i'll try it04:06
Doktoreasi am too gentoo fun04:06
aftertafhelpme:  i use it. great :)04:06
Rogue_Jedi_Zerohelpme: Then I stand corrected04:06
helpmeboy gentoo is fun!!04:06
helpmeaftertaf: u mean gentoo? i was kidding....gentoo is for real geeks aint it?04:07
bobuseHi there, how can I restart network interfaces on a Breezy04:07
Kamping_Kaiserhelpme: gentoo is for 'them'04:08
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Doktoreashelpme: nope... it's for people who like read guide04:08
bobuseI've tried  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart but unsuccessfully :-/04:08
helpmeanyone here who's tried breezy.....plz comment on bootup time and general speed???04:08
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Kamping_Kaiserbobuse: what are you trying to do? that should have fixed it04:08
Kamping_Kaiserwhat about 'sudo ifdown -a && sudo ifup -a' ?04:09
bobuseKamping_Kaiser: I try ...04:09
aftertafhelpme:  nope, i meant kde breezy kubuntu....04:10
aftertafer. yeah :)04:10
aftertafdown with g33ks :)04:10
aftertafhelpme:  fast, fine, no pbs.....04:10
bobuseKamping_Kaiser: nothing ... ifconfig display only lo04:11
Kamping_Kaiserbobuse: what did you change? why do you want to restart networking?04:11
helpmeaftertaf: hmm...glad to know that:)04:11
aftertafhelpme:  serious, no pbs at all, apart from a cpl of bugs a while back. fixed same day as per.... ;)04:12
bobuseI've tried to modify /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to set correctly the hostname04:12
Doktoreaswho is trying brezy?04:13
Kamping_Kaiserbobuse: of your PC?04:13
Kamping_Kaiseryou should edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname04:13
bobuseThen I've tried  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, see that I've lost my eth0, so I've deleted the line added and redo  /etc/init.d/networking restart04:14
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bobuseKamping_Kaiser: on my laptop ;-)04:14
bobuseIn fact, my hostname isn't well registered in the dns, so I tried some tricks (maybe stupid ...)04:15
aftertafhasnt beta1 been updated since mid september?????04:15
aftertafDoktoreas:  been on it for 6 weeks already04:15
Doktoreasdo you know how is for wifi cards?04:16
bobuseOk "sudo dhclient" breings up my network04:17
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robin_2no one else got the usb / removable media problem?04:18
aftertafrobin_2:  the opens a windows twice problem?04:19
aftertafi got it too...04:19
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robin_2aftertaf: and, the wrong mountpoint, and there is no desktop icon too.04:19
robin_2and I have to use sudo to umount it. :/04:19
robin_2It is working with the clean RC1 release.. 04:20
robin_2I hope they will fix it for tomorrow.04:20
aftertafrobin_2:  ahh i dont get that error.04:20
jeroenvrpquestion: is it a good idea to enable "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe" ?!04:22
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helpme!info biomode04:27
helpme!biomode info04:27
ubotuhelpme: Not a clue04:27
ubotubiomode: ([Biology]  An Emacs mode to edit genetic data), section universe/science, is optional. Version: 1.002-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 136 kB04:27
helpme!clustalx info04:28
ubotuhelpme: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!04:28
ubotuThaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/04:28
apokryphoshelpme: investigate with ubotu in /msg please04:28
helpmeapokryphos: sorry got that04:29
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Doktoreaswhere i can read the pakage that will be in breeze?04:29
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aftertafDoktoreas:  go to the url in your sources.list and look..... at breezy04:30
aftertafyou can update sources, do apt-get update and upgrade too, then say No, you'll have a list of all.04:31
helpmeapokryphos: how do i do it?04:31
aftertafthen you wait tomorrow and say yes.04:31
Doktoreasaftertaf: i am not on brezy04:31
apokryphoshelpme: /msg ubotu <factoid>04:31
aftertafDoktoreas:  i know......04:31
apokryphosDoktoreas: packages.ubuntu.com04:31
aftertafanyway, i'm gone :)04:31
_thomasis Breezy Badger stable?04:31
aftertafcyall tomorrow :) for upgrade fun/panic04:32
Kamping_Kaiserin about 10 hours :)04:32
Kamping_Kaiserlater aftertaf :)04:32
aftertaf_thomas:  99.99999% yes04:32
aftertaflater kk04:32
_thomasI think it is stable. take a look at http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php04:32
_thomasNo, my error. sorry04:33
helpme!ncbi-tools-x11 info04:33
ubotuBugger all, i dunno, helpme04:33
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gsuveghow can i get gpg key for koffice mirrors ?04:35
helpmehmm...seems to me that all packages that are in debian repos are also there in ubuntu repos:)04:35
engelzzi installed kubuntu rc and updatet kde to 3.5 and the whole kubuntu, but now my mouse stops working after some seconds of not moving04:35
engelzzanybody a solution?04:35
robin_2engelzz: energy-save mode :)04:35
engelzzit is a wiremouse (on ps/2)04:36
engelzzthere was an old entry in bugzilla about udev, but they said it has been solved...04:37
engelzzmouse works for some times when i switch to tty2 and back to kde04:37
helpmeive to go now anyway....goodnight to all:)04:38
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engelzzi try out if it is kdes fault04:39
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engelzzsorry it is a usb mouse04:43
robin_2engelzz: does dmesg don't show an error?04:45
engelzzjust waiting for it04:46
engelzzstupid, now it won't stop when i want it to04:46
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engelzzit say something about atkbd.c and keycodes04:47
robin_2kdesu does not use my theme, but sudo does.. can I fix that?04:47
apokryphosnot really, nope04:48
apokryphosand you should never sudo {guiapp}04:48
engelzzps/2 controller doesn't have aux04:49
engelzz(remember it is a usb mouse, missed it before)04:49
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engelzzdon't see any other odd messages04:50
robin_2apokryphos: why not?04:51
ubotuUse kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.04:51
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robin_2hmm nice, why does it not give a warning ..04:52
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naliothrobin_2: b/c this is an OS for grownups04:53
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robin_2nalioth: so?04:55
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engelzzmhhh tried another usb port and it seems to fix it...04:57
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_thiagoany good apps for KDE?05:01
_thiagonew good apps?05:02
jpatrickhallo slow-motion05:03
slow-motionhi jpatrick 05:03
_thiagowhat is it for?05:04
apokryphosvery many :)05:05
jpatricknalioth: "b/c this is an OS for grownups" <- what?05:05
naliothjpatrick: this OS is what you make of it, it is not prepackaged and immutable05:07
naliothjpatrick: you will not go to jail for making this EXACTLY how you want it05:07
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Nakkelany fix for this anoying problem when installing or upgrading software in breezy? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/39124405:11
Nakkeltried reinstalling postfix package but no avail05:11
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Kamping_Kaiserhi spiral05:37
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Kinomeeschanged my video card but where can i get info about it and how to configure 3D stuff with it ?05:45
Kamping_Kaiserwhat did you change to?05:45
Kinomeesfrom ati to nvidia something05:45
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Kamping_Kaiserask ubotu, you need to change ati -> nvidia driver?05:46
ubotufrom memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia05:46
ubotuYou can browse the packages in the Ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com05:46
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SerajewelKSwhat is the root password for kubuntu live?06:16
StRSerajewelKS: don't use root06:17
StRSerajewelKS: just use sudo06:17
SerajewelKSStR, that's the most worthless advice i've ever heard.  "don't get root.  get root this way."06:17
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StRSerajewelKS: whatever you want....06:18
Kamping_KaiserSerajewelKS: you asked06:18
SerajewelKSStR, unless by "don't use root" you meant "don't use su"06:18
StRSerajewelKS:  don't login as root, don't use 'su'... you never need them06:19
Kamping_Kaiserlol you cant use them06:19
blankbSerajewelKS there is no root password in kubuntu live.06:20
SerajewelKSStR, well 'sudo su -' worked06:20
blankbSerajewelKS : to get a root shell do sudo -s or sudo -i06:20
apokryphosSerajewelKS: not useless at all; sudo isn't the conventional root account06:20
StRSerajewelKS: well, yes it works, noone said you "can't" but you neever need it06:20
SerajewelKSapokryphos, sudo is not an account06:20
apokryphosindeed; there you go06:20
apokryphosSerajewelKS: use sudo, not su would have been more help perhaps, but you get the gist of it06:21
SerajewelKSapokryphos, yeah probably06:21
apokryphosSerajewelKS: the root account is disabled on Ubuntu; /msg ubotu root   ..for more information.06:21
inc|freakyis there any C IDE for KDE?=06:22
StRinc|freaky: kdevelop06:22
SerajewelKSapokryphos, wow.. i mean, just... wow.  is there any rationale for that at all?06:22
apokryphosSerajewelKS: yes; the model is superior06:23
SerajewelKSapokryphos, why exactly06:23
blankbthe model appears to be superior to many people who look at it. 8)06:23
SerajewelKSi see no problem using a root shell to edit config files06:24
apokryphosSerajewelKS: aren't some listed right there on the page I linked to?06:24
inc|freakyStR: thx :)06:26
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SerajewelKSapokryphos, useful on certain occasions maybe.  for administrating my own box, most of the reasons don't apply.06:26
StRinc|freaky: no problem06:26
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apokryphosSerajewelKS: correct; for a single-user distro it's not much different, even if it might hint at some good policies06:27
SerajewelKSapokryphos, i think i'm prepared to debate every point on that list for the linux server i'm running too ;)06:27
inc|freakyour programming teacher doesnt do anything with linux he only codes windows aplications :\06:28
honI'm trying to install mediawiki. (breezy repos)06:28
SerajewelKSinc|freaky, same here...06:28
honI'm trying to install mediawiki. (breezy repos), but I get nothing in /var/www06:28
inc|freakySerajewelKS: lol we have one girl in our class, her name is zhera ;) your nick just reminds me of her ^^06:28
hondoes it have a config script?06:28
apokryphosSerajewelKS: you would have a seriously big challenge making any possible case to suggest that plain su model is superior on, say, a typical/traditional mainframe organisation06:28
SerajewelKSapokryphos, in that situation i would be using sudo to allow certain users to run only specific programs as root.  but i wouldn't be disabling the root account.06:29
pipounAnyone using konversation and knowing how to create an alias?06:29
apokryphosSerajewelKS: you're using sudo already then; su is obsolete then06:30
SerajewelKSapokryphos, well kinda.  it's still useful to get a root login assuming that you know the password.  i do prefer the sudo model, but i don't understand the root-is-locked-in-ubuntu thing.06:30
apokryphosno, it's not useful; it's useless, in fact.06:31
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apokryphosif you knew what you were doing06:31
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apokryphosand what exactly don't you understand? If you really wanted su for sentimental reason you just need to enter one command06:32
apokryphosdisabled=password scrambled06:32
inc|freakyStR: umm, can i do tcl-scripting using kdevelop, too? 06:35
StRinc|freaky: yes06:35
inc|freakykewl :D06:35
inc|freakydoes it use kate as editor then?06:35
StRinc|freaky: yes06:35
inc|freakyawkay ;D06:35
inc|freakyStR: can i also use kate then wouldnt that be the same?06:35
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StRinc|freaky: no... kdevelop manages all documentation with shorcuts, you can watch a structure tree for your functions and classes06:36
StRinc|freaky: it has debuger included, compile it with a click,  check in or out ins subversion or cvs....06:37
inc|freakyah really kewl ill use fish and edit some of my scripts using it (we just started learning C so i can only write a hello world program for now ;D06:37
inc|freakykewl ^^06:37
jpatrickinc|freaky: started learning C?06:37
inc|freakyjpatrick: yea ;) i allready read a boock "C coding for linux within 21 Days"06:38
inc|freakyso im a bit in front of the others06:38
jpatrickinc|freaky: I just learnt C++ instead :P06:38
inc|freakyjpatrick: we do that in the 2nd year at school ;D06:38
jpatrickjust skip C imo06:39
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jpatrickC# :S :P06:41
jpatrickStR: I'd rather do Java06:42
StRj...a....v....a....   i..s....   s..o...o...o...o...o....  s...l...o...o..o...o...o...w06:43
jpatrickC# is sooo buggy06:44
inc|freakystr: where can i watch a structure tree of my functions when i write scripts in TCL? there is nothign like that?06:46
StRinc|freaky: in C06:46
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inc|freakyah C only06:47
StRinc|freaky: I see my classes an functions in PHP06:47
inc|freakystr: how and where?06:47
StRthere is a button on the left, that say 'Classes'06:48
StRclick there..06:48
StRit will show you a window06:48
inc|freakytcl has no classes06:49
inc|freakyand icant see any classes button :\ im running "KDevelop - Scripting"06:49
StRI'm talking about PHP or C06:49
StRwell...     tcl sucks...06:49
jpatrickinc|freaky: if you're doing C why are you in Scripting?06:50
inc|freakyim doing TCL06:50
inc|freakylol how do i leave fullscreen mode?06:51
inc|freakywhats so funny`?06:52
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inc|freakywhy would some1 use putty for linux?06:58
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BicchiAt what time should I expect to see the release posted for Breezy. How many hours from now?07:03
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Kamping_KaiserBicchi: i expect about 707:04
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BicchiKamping: so in about 7 hours you think?07:04
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hyperactivecrondwhat do i install to get the public_html for apache2 mod?07:10
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Kamping_Kaiserhyperactivecrond: its part of apache07:11
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hyperactivecrondKamping_Kaiser: so if i mkdir ~/public_html it'll work then?07:13
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Kamping_Kaisershould do07:13
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Kamping_Kaiserwith teh usual rwx settings. but im off to bed :( up supposed to be getting up in < 6 hours07:15
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Kamping_Kaisercool. have fun :)07:15
Kamping_Kaisernight all :)07:15
hyperactivecrondhow do you configure apache2's modmp307:15
hyperactivecrondnight kamping_kaiser07:15
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hyperactivecrondgot it07:17
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cddesjarwhat's the difference between a safe and a full upgrade in adept07:21
cddesjaralso i can't seem to use the help center in adept07:22
helpmecddesjar: does the new kubuntu boot faster? is it in general faster??07:24
cddesjardon't know07:24
cddesjari've used debian before this07:25
cddesjari would say it's quicker than debian07:25
cddesjari switched cause i wanted newer packages07:25
helpmeany estimate for boot time?07:25
cddesjarit takes me about 30-60 seconds, but i would say i average 45 seconds to the KDM menu07:25
helpmeyeah i too wud have used debian but i like newer stuff07:26
cddesjarnot as quick as M$ but i don't even notice it07:26
helpmethats bit faster than hoary i guess07:26
cddesjaris hoary slow? what are you using?07:27
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Kinomeesmypackage manager shows that i have somepackges installed but i cannot run them and they are not in my menu :(07:32
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frank23Kinomees: sometimes a program is not added to the menu automatically but you can still run it from the console  or add it to the menu manuallt07:33
Kinomeesthat is the problem: ti will not run in console .... mayb i should run it in certain dirs but i dont knaow where07:34
frank23Kinomees: what program is it?07:34
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Kinomeesfor example: some games 07:35
Kinomeespong 2 :)07:36
frank23Kinomees: for pong 2, type pong2 in a console07:38
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Kinomeesand it says: no such command07:38
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frank23Kinomees: try  /usr/games/pong207:39
frank23Kinomees: synaptic can show you what are the files installed by a packages07:40
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StRhow can I configure konversation so I don' t see when some one enteres or leaves the room?07:46
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syli725what is the network confguration tool ?07:49
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BlankBStR: even better how can I configure konversation to not show when someone leaves or enters except somone I was talking to.07:51
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StRBlankB: no idea....07:52
BlankBBut its is under setting -> Configure Konversation : Behavior -> Chatwindow : hide join/part/nick events.07:53
BlankBThat is what you asked for, but not what I wanted.07:53
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_rodrigoGood afternoon!07:54
StRBlankB: THANKS!07:54
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_rodrigoIs there any way to make DVD player (like Kaffeine) to drop less frames? (I am using nvidia hardware driver already)07:55
BlankB_rodrigo is dma on for the drive?07:55
_rodrigoI thought I had already turn it on. What s the command line, again?07:56
BlankBassuming the drive is hdc: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc07:56
BlankBIt does not keep the settings through a reboot.07:56
_rodrigoI see07:56
_rodrigoIs there anyway to keep it after rebooting?07:57
_rodrigoIs it recommended?07:57
helpmewhat are security updates?07:57
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helpmewhat are security updates? im a newbie...plz help08:00
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helpmeanone uses kdevelop here?08:01
_strhelpme: me08:01
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_strhelpme: but I use it  for PHP08:01
helpme_str: how do i do C++ and perl programming in it?08:01
helpme_str: how do u do it? 08:02
_strhelpme: just like that...08:02
_strhelpme: do you have an existing proyect?08:02
helpmeim complete noob..08:02
helpme_str: i just wanna quickly type a c++ program and compile it? im leearnig C++08:03
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Phoboshelpme: There are project wizards that can get you started08:03
StR(is it every1 learning C today??)08:03
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helpmeanyone here using Nedit??? 08:04
StRhelpme: just start wirting and save it as .cpp08:04
helpmethen how to compile?08:04
helpmeStR: then how to compile? can i debug it also??08:05
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StRsorry I cannot help you with that, I use it for PHP, and it is not a compiled language...08:05
BlankBhelpme: there is also a channel on irc  for kdevelop called #kdevelop08:05
StRhelpme: I know kdevelop can do that, but i don't know how08:05
helpmeStR: ok then how do u interpret it?08:06
MEtaLpREsheh, just installed breezy last night and already have 210 updates to download08:06
helpmeBlankB: thanks i didnt know that08:06
helpmewhat are security updates?08:06
helpmeMEtaLpREs: is the new kubuntu faster than hoary? in bootup? and in general?08:07
MEtaLpREsyea it is definetly faster, my boot time is about 20 secs08:08
pipounbut why would it be faster?08:08
helpmeWOW! i feel like dancing......lol08:08
MEtaLpREsand rock solid too, i havent had a single lock up or crash yet, kde was crashy constantly on me in hoary08:08
helpmeyeah me too konq ould constantly crah in hoary....08:09
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MEtaLpREsi am very happy with breezy so far, and its not even final yet08:10
helpmeMEtaLpREs: do apps load faster too? how abt firefox?08:11
MEtaLpREseverything seems alittle faster, but its only an os upgrade its not like your installing new hardware so dont expect anything too dramatic08:12
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helpmeMEtaLpREs: still.......it has new slick bootsplash!08:15
humboltis it normal that artsd starts in 3 instances when full-duplex is enabled?08:15
ducewas mute ich nochmal installieren, um amarok mp3 beizubringen? xine habe ich schon unter amarok eingerichtet.08:16
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duceOh, sorry - missed that this is a english chan...08:16
duceHow do I "teach" amarok mp3? I have allready installed this xine thing...08:17
Riddellduce: kubuntu.org/faq.php08:18
Kinomeesthe coolest thing is when you get an answer like : www.google.com08:19
BlankBLuckily mp3 is the 5th question on there.08:20
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humboltdoes anybody have any experience with skype using arts? I get a segfault every time I want to make a call08:26
humboltusing artsdsp -m skype08:26
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raingrovewhere is our breeeeeeezy:P08:32
raingroveby the way did anyone notice how buggy systemsettings is?08:32
raingrovei replaced it with good old kcontrol08:32
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honhow can I setup mediawiki? have anyone tried it?08:43
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raingrovehon/i thinku just need php and mysql08:46
honI apt-get installed it, but don't know how to config it08:46
raingrovei am sure there is a wiki for mediawiki on the net :)08:47
raingrovedo u have apache, php, mysql set up?08:47
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honphp and apache are working08:47
honI am not sure about mysql, but it must be working as well08:48
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honI used apt-get install mediawiki which should take care of them08:48
MEtaLpREsis there any good walkthroughs for installing LAMP?08:50
MEtaLpREsthe only one i could find for ubuntu is for warty and half of it doesnt work08:50
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guillemsomebody knows anything about libpam-usb and usb authentication?08:58
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Sho_Will 3.4.3 make it into the final 5.10?09:27
libbenhow do i change my ff icon?09:28
OculusAquilaeSho_: it is in 5.1009:28
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Sho_OculusAquilae: great :-)09:29
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raingroveDoes anyone know how to fix ugly anti-aliasing in interface fonts for openoffice?09:44
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wh0re[b4gcan someone tell me where I can find the minimum system requirements for the latest release of kubuntu?09:46
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bugaubuntu's recommended minimum memory requirement is 128M for desktop usage09:52
_douglascan someone perhaps tell me how to get kvlc working?09:52
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oculus-amd64_douglas: there is no kvlc09:53
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_douglasis there a qt interface to vlc?09:54
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oculus-amd64_douglas: i don't think so, but you can let your gtk apps look like qt ones09:55
_douglasI know, but that's just not the same09:56
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_douglashrm... because xine screws up on .mov, mplayer messes up something, I can't remember, and vlc seems to do okay but it messes up sometimes on wmv, but I like vlc09:57
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rodrigowhy some programs simply don't appear in start menu after we install them.10:00
raingroveu mean the K menu?10:00
raingroveu would have to add them urself then.10:00
rodrigoI have installed kedit. Pretty much KDE. But it did show up.10:01
raingroveit did or it didnt?10:01
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rodrigosorry didn't10:01
rodrigoI came from an ubuntu and I modified to KDE.10:02
rodrigoGnome sux10:02
rodrigoBut I had this ubuntu 5.04 cd around.10:02
rodrigoNow I am considering to download Kubuntu10:03
raingroveu are using Gnome?10:04
raingrovewhat are you using now?10:04
rodrigoI uninstalled it.10:04
raingrovei installed kedit and it showed up fine in the K menu10:04
rodrigoUbuntu with KDE packs10:04
henrymhave you installed kubuntu-desktop?10:04
apokryphospacks don't have menu entries in the k-menu because (i) it's specifically selected for their entries to be hidden, (ii) the package wasn't built with one10:05
rodrigoI see10:05
raingrovedid u install using apt-get? or k/synaptic or adept?10:05
apokryphosrodrigo: what do you want an entry for?10:06
raingroverodrigo/ i installed kedit using adept and the entry was generated fine10:06
raingrovei am sure it will work fine for synaptic too10:06
raingroveK menu->Utilities->Simple Text Editor (kedit)10:06
rodrigoWhat happened to Editor sub Menu?10:07
rodrigoI can swear they have it on KDE 3.210:07
rodrigoDon't you remember, guys?10:08
rodrigoEditors submenu on "All Applications"10:08
libbeni want to use my downloaded icons for firefox10:10
raingroverodrigo, i dont know man. i am on 3.4 now10:10
libbeni cant copy the folders into /usr/share/icons/hicolor and im doing it with sudo10:10
libbenwhys that10:10
raingrovewhat's the error message10:10
rodrigoWhat do you guys suggest? Should I download the candidate or keep the stable 5.04? Once I am going to download Kubuntu anyway, today.10:11
raingrovewell up to you10:12
raingrove5.10RC is pretty ok10:12
raingrovesince u are going to update anyway, so why not download 5.10RC10:12
raingrovethe amount of packages that need to be upgraded may be less10:12
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rodrigothx, rain!10:13
rodrigoDo you have it yourself?10:13
asranielrodrigo: im new to kubuntu, and i installed the rc, its great10:14
rodrigoOh! That sounds great.  I am loving this distribution as well. I have Ubuntu 5.04.10:15
rodrigoI had a terrible time with Debian.10:16
asranieli come from mandriva10:16
rodrigoIt might sound weird but I can have fun from trying to find the best distro for me. :)10:17
_jeromehi! how can I get separate windows rather than tabs with Konqueror?10:18
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apokryphos_jerome: Settings -> Configure Konqueror10:20
rodrigoGo Settings->Configure Konquer -> Web Behavior10:20
rodrigoTabbed browsing10:20
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rodrigouncheck "open links in new tab"10:20
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raingroverodrigo, yes i am running breezy , upgraded from 5.0410:22
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elvirolodoes anyone know how to update my menu entries ?10:25
elvirolosome entries don't appear10:25
apokryphosthey should update automatically10:26
apokryphosa package will not have menu entries in the k-menu because (i) it's specifically selected for their entries to be hidden, (ii) the package wasn't built with one10:26
TheronHo do I setup my dual monitors to work in X?10:27
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rodrigoThere's something I am concerned about. Why is enough to give my user passwd to open an Admin Tool like Synaptic? Shouldn't it ask for root's passwd?10:32
henrymit's just the way that (K)Ubuntu is set up10:33
raingrovebecause ur user belongs to admin group10:33
henrymroot account is disabled, I guess someone decided it was simpler that way10:33
raingroveit's more secure that way.10:34
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MachineScrewhow can i get konquer back to the way it used to be10:35
rodrigoI see. But after all Admin Users weren't made to be navigating internet and using user stuff, were they?10:35
MachineScrewthe spatail thing agervates me10:35
Chousukerodrigo: the user is not an admin unless he invoked the almighty sudo.10:35
MachineScrewI want the quick links pane the tree and the main icon windows10:36
MachineScrewbtw I am in breezy10:37
MachineScrewany one know how I can get konqueror to open the kde default instead of the kubuntu default10:38
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elviroloideas anyone ?10:47
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Riddellelvirolo: they should update by themselves, else run  kbuildsycoca10:48
elviroloRiddell: well, strangely, they don't ... i've tried everything from a rm -fr ~/.kde to reinstalling the system, and i've always had the problem10:49
apokryphoselvirolo: well, what application?10:50
elviroloapokryphos: what do you mean ? what entry is missing ?10:50
apokryphosif menu entries were set to be hidden removing/moving .kde wouldn't do anything10:50
apokryphoselvirolo: yes10:50
elviroloapokryphos: well, kmail, konversation, krdc ....10:51
Riddellelvirolo: kmail is set to be hidden (kontact is there instead), konversation, krdc should be there10:52
apokryphoskmail is deliberate I believe, konversation should appear there, krdc I'm not sure10:52
elviroloRiddell: well, kontact is missing too10:53
Riddellelvirolo: do you have the files /usr/bin/kontact and /usr/share/applications/kde/Kontact.desktop10:53
zynhas anyone noticed that the opengl screensavers only draw on the top 1/3 of the screen after updating to the release candidate?10:54
elviroloRiddell: yup, both of them10:54
chavoelvirolo, kontact is under  -> Office submenu here10:56
chavobut I just leave it running all the time anyway10:56
elvirolochavo : nope don't have it10:57
elviroloi'll add the entries manually ....10:57
elviroloah, something else10:57
chavoelvirolo, that's odd. look in ~/.config/menus also10:57
apokryphoselvirolo: if it really isn't there can you pastebin the contents of /usr/share/applications/kde/Kontact.desktop?10:58
elvirolowhen kde 3.5 beta2 will be out, are there any plans of making packages for the whole of KDE rather than just the base packages ? that said, the current packages are great10:58
elvirolochavo: there's stuff in there ~/.config/menus10:59
raingrovezyn/ it doesnt happen here. check if u are getting 3d hardware acceleration11:00
chavoelvirolo, try renaming or removing the menus directory11:00
MachineScrewany one know how I can get konqueror to open the kde default instead of the kubuntu default11:01
elvirolochavo: ok thanks :)11:01
elviroloand, third thing11:01
elviroloi compiled & installed the kionjb kioslave, but it doesn't show up11:01
chavoMachineScrew, and what exactly is kde default, I don't recall11:01
elvirolodo i have to specify a particular install path ?11:02
apokryphosyes, /usr11:02
elvirolowhich isn't default ?11:02
chavoelvirolo, you can use --prefix /usr argumnet to configure, also set KDEDIR=/usr11:02
elvirolook thanks a lot :)11:02
apokryphoselvirolo: default for kde apps is using --prefix11:02
chavoelvirolo, /usr/local is default11:02
RiddellMachineScrew: for what?11:03
chavofor most apps you compile from source11:03
apokryphoschavo: KDEDIR is technically obsolete; KDEDIRS now11:03
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chavoMachineScrew, hit F9 to open the sidebar in konqueror11:04
zynraingrove: i do have hardware acceleration... the upsetting thing is that it worked yesterday before i updated to the release candidate11:04
Riddellelvirolo: there are plans for kde 3.5 beta 2, whether or not they happen depends on whether my amd64 gets fixed11:05
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elvirolocause i'm currently using kopete svn which is great11:05
CzarAlexhow do I disble the KOrganizer Alarm Daemon from starting when i boot my system? I unchecked the "Start Alarm Client at Login" and restart, but its always there. Suggestions?11:05
elvirolobutn i'd prefer to have a nice package :)11:06
raingrovezyn: that's strange. it works fine here. kubuntu 5.10 RC too11:06
elvirololooks like kubuntu breezy's gonna be a great distro ... it's a pity there still some very annoying bugs though11:06
MachineScrewchavo: sorry11:07
MachineScrewchavo: the side bar and the tree then the icons11:07
chavoMachineScrew, click on the folder icon in the sidebar, it will give you the tree11:08
MachineScrewchavo: now how do i save this view11:08
MachineScrewchavo: make it default11:08
chavoMachineScrew, go to Settings and save the profile11:09
chavothen make a launcer that opens that profile11:09
MachineScrewok I just saved it as the Kubuntu File Manager11:09
MachineScrewchavo: that crap was buging me11:10
chavonow make a launcer that opens -> kfmclient openProfile Kubuntu File Manager11:10
MachineScrewchavo: any way to get Adept sys tray icon thing11:11
chavonot sure if the spaces will work without escaping or putting them in quotes though11:11
chavonever used adept11:11
MachineScrewits awsome11:11
CzarAlexwhats the console command to check the dist version I have?11:12
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MachineScrewit seems better than kynaptic11:12
chavoI use command line or synaptic11:12
MachineScrewstill not as good as synaptic11:12
MachineScrewbut usable11:12
MachineScrewya if I know what pakage i need command line if i have lots to install adept11:13
zynis there a way to 11:13
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zynis there a way to "undo" an upgrade?11:14
MachineScrewI have heard there is a problem with kde and Digital cameras recently11:14
MachineScrewzyn: like a roll back11:14
zynbasically, yes11:14
MachineScrewzyn: reboot with the cd and reinstall11:14
gelberghi all, new here, have just installed ubuntu hoary, installed kubuntu-desktop, and am currently in aptitude de-gnome'ising my box.  is there a kde equivalent for the update-notifier package?11:14
zynmachine: i'll take that as a no :)11:15
MachineScrewzyn: no there is no easy way11:15
MachineScrewgelberg: the update manager in kubuntu breezy is adept but currently for both distros there is no update-notifier thingy11:16
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MachineScrewgelberg: just be a good linux user and run sudo apt-get upgrade every so offten11:17
gelbergMachineScrew, i'm confused. still on hoary here. there is a package called update-notifier, but it depends on gnome :(11:17
MachineScrewor use synaptic11:17
gelbergMachineScrew, i would. my boxes are all debian. this is for my parents and they ain't sudo'ing :)11:17
MachineScrewgelberg: they will need to use GNOME or use synaptic or kynaptic 11:18
gelbergMachineScrew, ok, thanks11:18
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MachineScrewgelberg: the update notifier for adept i think is beeing worked on11:18
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gelberganother question. is hal useful without a gnome desktop?  is it even part of a kubuntu install?  is gnome part of a kubuntu install?11:19
ubotuYou can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.11:19
ubotuAdept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html11:19
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chavogelberg, KDE can use hal also11:21
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gelbergchavo, ok. is it generally desirable? i'm afraid i'm not familiar with all this stuff.  i use mount.  :)11:22
gelbergput another way, what does it _do_ apt-cache show isn't revealing11:22
chavogelberg, it's probably required as a dependency11:22
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rikvaAfter installing Breezy, my media:/ KIOslave doesn't really work anymore. It doesn't show my USB disks. any suggestions?11:27
ubotuask me about !repositories11:28
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gelbergcan i msg this bot? not working for me11:28
ubotuit has been said that sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)11:28
MachineScrewrikva: as of 11th usb stuff is broken 11:29
MachineScrewrikva: no known fix yet11:29
rikvaMachineScrew: what do you mean with 'as of 11th' ? :)11:30
MachineScrewrikva: i looked on the kubuntu forums and alot of people are having problems with it starting around the 11th of Oct11:31
rikvaOk, hmmm. Thanks.11:31
MachineScrewrikva: i just installed kubuntu breezy and having the same problem11:32
rikvaMachineScrew: I hope it will be fixed before the actual release11:32
MachineScrewrikva: it should11:33
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p01n7bl4nksomeone please take thier time to tell me if their is a command that will output my external ip address11:37
Rogue_Jedi_XWhich is tommorow? Or later?11:37
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BlankBp01n7bl4nk: what are you trying to determine again?11:40
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p01n7bl4nkmy external ip address11:40
buzis there a possibility that thunderbird got broken over the last few days?11:40
BlankBwhat do you mean by external?11:40
buzi get xul errors when trying to add attachments?11:40
MachineScrewp01n7bl4nk: www.whatsmyip.com11:40
p01n7bl4nkmy public address11:40
p01n7bl4nki know11:40
p01n7bl4nkand: www.ipchicken.com11:40
p01n7bl4nkbut i want to know is thre is a command that will tell me11:41
BlankBifconfig 11:41
BlankBBut I wouldnt think of that as an external ip address.11:41
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BlankBWill kubuntu breezy come out at the same time as ubuntu breezy?11:45
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apokryphoswow, Breezy release parties11:46
apokryphosthis is tempting11:46
MachineScrewany one know if there is a fix to the kio slaves in Kubuntu Breezy ?11:47
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buzparty? where11:48
apokryphosbuz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseParty11:50
buznone near m11:50
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apokryphosgood idea to take note of http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ -- interesting info often11:57
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rymanHI!!!!! I need help! swe if possible! =/12:00
rymanHELP! HELP! HELP!12:01
rymanplz! someone!12:01
rymanI got a big problem12:02
insanekaneryman: it might be easier to find help., if you state what the problem is ...12:02

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