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crimsunoh god, someone's spamming help messages across bug reports now.12:20
crimsunoh how I wish I could stab over TCP/IP.12:20
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bddebianHeya gang12:27
lfittlhey bddebian 12:27
bddebianHi lfittl12:28
persiahi bddebian12:28
bddebianHello persia12:28
shawarma_crimsun: What do you mean?12:28
crimsunshawarma: spamming "omg no sound" comments across completely unrelated bugs12:31
crimsunit would be similar to blaming firefox for your openoffice.org crashes12:31
Flannelcrimsun: I suppose launchpad has been `elevated` to webforum status, eh?12:31
geserHi bddebian12:32
shawarmacrimsun: Oh, that kind of help messages. 12:32
bddebianHeya geser12:32
gesercrimsun: have you a minute?12:33
shawarmacrimsun: /win 712:33
crimsungeser: not ATM (alsa triaging), but in 10 mins.12:33
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crimsungeser: hi, available now.12:41
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geserit's about that vpnc bug12:44
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gesershould the change to vpnc-script be removed or can it stay?12:45
geserit looks unrelated to me12:45
crimsunit doesn't look related12:46
geserso remove it?12:46
geserthanks, I'll reread the procedure for SRU and upload it (once I removed this change)12:48
crimsunmake sure you upload to the correct place ;)12:48
crimsunI forgot to use the correct host, which is a good thing now that I think about it.12:48
geserdifferent host?12:49
geseris it documented somewhere?12:52
geserI can't remember reading about it12:53
crimsunthe only documentation I have is "pitti, help!"12:54
crimsunthat was about a half-year ago12:54
geseris it really for SRUs? the hostname suggests it's only for security updates12:56
crimsunoh, uh, nevermind me.12:57
crimsunToo many debdiffs flying around12:57
crimsunsorry for the ambiguity12:58
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gesercrimsun: need the archive admins to be notified about uploads to -proposed?01:18
crimsungeser: not according to the SRU wikis01:18
crimsun(only for the final move to -updates)01:19
geserI guess the same change should also be uploaded to gutsy01:19
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pochuslomo: I'm gonna prepare an sru for bug 103688 for feisty. It's a one-line-fix. Do I apply it directly to the code? Since we don't have a patch system, afaik :)01:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10368801:42
leoneli'm patching squirrelmail for edgy  and does not have  patch system    after   apt-get source squirrelmail 01:45
leonelcd sourcedir 01:45
leoneland do  01:45
leoneldpatch-edit-patch 01_bigpatch  01:45
leoneland apply the patch to the source ?01:45
crimsunerr, no.01:46
crimsunYou should already have the patch and thus be able to test its application to edgy's source01:46
crimsunpatch --dry-run01:46
TheMusoHey all.01:47
geserHi TheMuso01:47
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geserafaik leonel will patch 7 security bugs in squirrelmail from edgy01:48
geserleonel: how many different patches do you have?01:48
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leonelgeser: for edgy  I found 6 patches02:51
leonelgeser: and for  dapper I found 902:51
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minghuasounds like we hasn't touched squirrelmail since dapper02:58
minghuadamn grammar02:58
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leonelminghua: yes  and that's what I'm trying to 03:03
leonelminghua: already did the debdiff  for  feisty's squirrelmail  now on to edgy and dapper03:04
drbair_laptopI'm attempting to compile and package ifolder and friends. While trying to compile I'm getting an error that it 'cannot find -lstdc++'. The library is installed, but complains unless I make a symlink to /usr/lib/libstdc++.so. What would be the proper way to resolve this?03:09
plugwashinstall the appropriate -dev packages i expect03:10
minghuathat doesn't make sense, since g++-4.1 depends on libstdc++6-4.1-dev03:12
drbair_laptopright, libstdc++6-4.1-dev is installed03:12
drbair_laptopthe build will only go through if I symlink /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 to /usr/lib/libstdc++.so03:13
minghuadrbair_laptop: so what's the output of "dpkg -L libstdc++6-4.1-dev | grep 'libstdc++.so'" ?03:13
minghuasounds like a broken build system to me03:14
drbair_laptop/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libstdc++.so ... so apparently its not looking in the right place then03:15
plugwashis its build system auto* based or something else?03:16
leonelcrimsun: the patch --dry-run  rejects  some   and   1 says  can't find file to patch03:17
crimsunleonel: welcome to the world of backporting support.03:17
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drbair_laptopsys_lib_search_path_spec does include /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/ 03:23
leonelcrimsun: jejeje     can we  just    tar  xvzf   package and  be happy ???     just joking 03:23
leonelcrimsun: it's patching  version 1.4.8 with  1.4.10 patches and patch rejects some so 03:25
leonelcan I patch "by hand" ?03:25
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leonelbecause  dapper's squirrelmail is older and has more patches ..03:29
leonelcrimsun: this by hand  will be done in  dpatch-edit-patch  01_longpatch ?03:29
crimsunleonel: I'd break it into separate patches for easier auditing/verification.03:30
crimsunand if dapper's source package in fact build-deps on dpatch.03:31
leonelfor edgy  i have 6 patches  03:32
leoneldo you mean  do  6 debdiffs ?  and  6 bugreports ?03:32
crimsunno, 6 dpatches03:32
crimsunone debdiff03:32
crimsunall the same bugreport (as feisty-security)03:33
leonel6 dpatches ?? 03:33
leonelhow ?03:33
crimsunrun dpatch-edit-patch six times03:33
leonelsorry for too many questions ..  just learning ..03:34
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leonelit's gonna be a nice trip to  backporting land 03:44
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leonelI got to go now  I'll do it later on or tomorrow  I hope  found  help here in case I need  .. In case ?  i will need ..03:45
leonelthank you very much03:45
crimsunthanks again for working on it.03:47
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=== TheMuso is amazed that ubuntu desktop isn't shipped with smart tools, or the smart notifier.
crimsunas in the package manager or smartmon*?04:24
TheMusocrimsun: smartmontools & smart-notifier04:25
crimsunboth.  hmm.04:25
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TheMusosmart-notifier is a GTK app.04:25
TheMusosmartmontools actually does the monitoring.04:26
TheMusoI guess whats needed, is a user-friendly applet to help people configure it.04:26
TheMuso...and make users aware of its usefulness.04:26
crimsunyeah, gotta get out of the habit of using smartctl all the time, I suppose  :-)04:26
Flannelsmart-notifier is in universe, that could be one reason04:27
TheMusoFlannel: Yeah, but its not hard to write up a spec to see that changed.04:27
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crimsunI'm going to whiteboard (locally) the UI for the new asoundrc conf tool.04:27
crimsunDo you think I should build it into control-center (System> Preferences> Sound) or into asoundconf-gtk?04:28
TheMusoDo many users usually need one?04:28
StevenKPeople might want jack.04:28
crimsunthat's a good question.  I'm seeing a lot of users wanting dmixed surround5.1 by default.04:28
StevenKEr, not jack, dmix04:28
TheMusoStevenK: Dmix is on by default afaik04:29
crimsunwishie and I have been cataloging and building up a database of known-working asoundrcs04:29
TheMusocrimsun: What exactly do you maen mixed 5.104:29
crimsunTheMuso: by default, only 2-channel is dmixed04:29
crimsunmany people are wanting their 6-channel dmixed04:29
TheMusothats a lot of CPU though I would think04:29
crimsunso they've been wanting upmixed + dmix04:30
TheMusoIs that messy04:30
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crimsunI'd like to make a gtk app to facilitate it.04:30
StevenKWould PyGTK be suitable, or does it need to be in C?04:31
crimsune.g., if you want dmixed surround5.1 or whatever, you tick a checkbox instead of going to #alsa04:31
crimsunStevenK: pygtk would be fine.  It only needs to write out an asoundrc04:31
TheMusoHow good is PortAudio v19 and alsa these days?04:32
crimsunaccording to persia, still lacking04:32
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crimsunaudacity (merge) uses an internal, patched copy of PA v19 (ugh!)04:32
TheMusoSo we could have ALSA goodness.04:32
TheMusocrimsun: So thats what may still be lacking?04:33
TheMusoOr is it being linked against the pa19 in universe?04:33
crimsunbypassing system-wide PA v19 completely and using the copy of PA v19 distributed in the audacity 1.3.2 source.04:33
TheMusoIs that... um... wise?04:34
StevenKNo, it's dumb.04:34
crimsunyeah, not too happy about it myself.  It's documented in the audacity merge bug on LP.04:34
StevenKTheMuso: Say we find a buffer overflow in PA. What then?04:34
TheMusoStevenK: Yeah I know.04:34
crimsunpersia is the one to ask; I haven't been scrutinising it.04:35
TheMusoyay even04:35
TheMusoDrive tests seem to be ok on this machine at least.04:35
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StevenKI should get around to putting a 20Gb drive with Dapper on it one of these days.04:37
StevenKIt's running Debian testing, that pre-dates the release of Etch, and is held together by gaffa tape and willpower.04:38
TheMusooh shit04:38
TheMusoSomeone trying to run jackd on a pentium 2.04:38
TheMuso...yet I think jack is built with sse.04:39
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StevenKSome processor registers are not going to be pleased.04:39
TheMusoWell the bug report I just saw is for an illegal instruction.04:39
TheMusoSO jack doesn't run.04:39
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TheMuso  * debian/rules:04:41
TheMuso     - enable -m3dnow and -msse on i386 and amd6404:41
TheMusocrimsun: Your thoughts?04:41
crimsunwell, how ugly a patch do we need to create?  :-)04:42
TheMusoYeah I know.04:42
TheMusoThis is one reason why I was going to use gentoo for audio. I could build all this software with such flags, and know it would run.04:42
TheMusoWith binary distros such as Ubuntu, tradeoffs like this often have to be made.04:43
TheMusoWhich means performance suffers for someone.04:43
crimsunwell, it's early enough in the devel cycle to simply drop that change04:43
TheMusoDo you want me to take care of it?04:43
TheMusoWill just disable those flags for now...04:43
crimsunwe would be recommending the RT kernel and the PAM limits.conf addition anyhow, so it shouldn't be noticeable.04:43
crimsunsure, please.04:43
TheMusoOk will do.04:44
TheMusoActually, to be more practicle, I can still leave them turned on for amd64, and just drop for i386.04:45
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bmmI thought the mailinglist was so active. Anything wrong somewhere,or have I just been gone for so little time?04:48
TheMusoThe MOTU list does not get much traffic at all.04:48
TheMusoah ok.04:48
TheMusoIts a debian bug.04:48
bmmoh, then the fault is with me :-D04:48
TheMusoDidn't realise I was in the debian multimedia folder.04:48
TheMusoI might let this sit for a couple of days then, and see what the multimedia team decide.04:49
TheMusoBetter to remain in sync for jack if possible...04:49
crimsunTheMuso: right-o.04:49
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bmmTheMuso: are you on ubuntu time again?05:02
TheMusobmm: Not really.05:03
bmmOk, sorry to have bothered you then.05:03
TheMusobmm: Ah thats cool.05:03
TheMusoIts just that I could get called away at any point atm.05:03
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RAOFIs there any particular reason that dh_iconcache is not in Sid's debhelper?06:38
crimsunRAOF: no agreement over its semantics and adoption.06:39
crimsunso yes, we'll need to maintain that delta indefinitely.06:39
RAOFRight.  So I'm going to have to manually implement what it does in my package, then?06:40
RAOFThat sucks.06:40
minghuawhy indefinitely?  crimsun you think there will never be an agreement?06:40
crimsuneh?  No.  Just don't invoke it from within your Debian source package.06:40
crimsunminghua: in this context, indefinitely means until further notice.06:40
RAOFBut won't that break the icon cache?  Or does sid just not use that feature?06:41
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crimsunRAOF: sid simply doesn't use it.06:41
RAOFAh, cool.  Kinda.06:41
minghuacrimsun: I see, I thought indefinitely meant eternally06:43
minghuasorry for the stupid question06:44
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crimsunminghua: np, not at all stupid.06:55
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DarkMageZmaintenance downtime is sometimes required.07:07
StevenKIt's not the fact that downtime is required -- I can deal with that, it's the "This is your captian speaking ..." thing.07:08
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DarkMageZi guess they're just trying to make things seem more interesting07:09
DarkMageZ+1 point for creativity -2 points for annoyingness07:10
StevenKWorks for me.07:10
FujitsuWhen's the downtime, and for how long?07:11
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imbrandonmoins all07:54
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jmghey all08:07
jmgis there a hal channel?08:07
jmgor any hal gurus lurking?08:07
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ASCIIGirlHi all! I would like to know why this packages appear on italics on the repository ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/adept/ 09:30
ranfASCIIGirl, I just looked at the source. It says symbolic link. Maybe that's the reason.09:32
ASCIIGirlwhere that symlink goes to? 09:32
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ranfright click it, then properties09:34
ASCIIGirlok, thanks...09:35
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imbrandonASCIIGirl, because its now in main ( not universe, but still symbolicly linked there iirc )09:50
ASCIIGirlimbrandon, great!!!!!! :) thanks!09:51
jdongimbrandon: I ordered a macbook today :)09:51
imbrandonjdong, rockin09:51
jdongI can't wait for it to arrive :)09:51
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jdongyay for picking own birthday presents :D09:52
jdongI've been hinting at my parents that I wanted a macbook... and for my birthday, they e-mailed me a screenshot of apple.com/store, and said "see your checking account" :D09:52
jdonghow sweet of them :)09:52
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jussi01jdong: NICE :D 09:53
FujitsuNot bad!09:53
jdongso I'm really happy now :)09:53
=== Fujitsu kicks Debian maintainers who omit necessary build-depends.
micahcowanDoesn't that imply the dev didn't pbuild? :/09:54
imbrandonwhy they are allowed to upload binary packages is past me09:54
Fujitsuimbrandon: Same.09:54
imbrandonmicahcowan, yes09:55
Fujitsumicahcowan: Most don't. They can upload binary packages.09:55
jdongdebian allows binary uploads?09:55
FujitsuSo, if they've already got the build-depends installed, and they don't pbuild... 09:55
Fujitsujdong: Correct.09:55
jdongso people could be building in tainted environments?09:55
imbrandonjdong, and often do09:55
FujitsuThat's right. It's stupid.09:55
jdongsounds illogical09:55
jdongfor an otherwise very tightly regulated project in terms of quality09:55
FujitsuIn that respect, using an obscure architecture is a good thing to do.09:55
FujitsuThat way you get mostly autobuilt packages.09:56
micahcowanBut hey, they've got their signature on it! :09:56
jdongso they can point fingers with 100% accuracy!09:56
minghuaFujitsu: the argument I heard is that binary uploads guarantee that the package can at least be built, so you don't have really broken uploads09:56
Fujitsuminghua: But then you have broken binaries that depend on some package on the DD's system.09:57
micahcowanHuh. Of course, an automated build manager guarantees that, too...09:57
Fujitsu*package that's only on09:57
jdongminghua: for the longest time the debian azureus packages were "mystery built"....09:57
minghuaFujitsu: well, then they got RC bugs filed against them09:57
jdongi.e. I could not for the life of me get it to not FTBFS09:57
jdongdespite there being "binaries" in the archive09:57
minghuaFujitsu: and daily emails to -devel list with their names along with their RC bugs09:58
jdongI thought they only allowed binary uplaods for like contrib/non-free or something09:58
man-dijdong: debian azureus is crap09:58
Fujitsuminghua: But the source-only uploads eliminate that possibility entirely, and ensure the binaries are actually at least a bit real.09:58
jdongman-di: true :)09:58
man-disays the debian eclipse maintainer who fought a long fight with the azureus maintainer09:58
FujitsuHahaha, Java.09:58
minghuajdong: was azureus in main or contrib then?09:58
jdongI think09:59
man-diminghua: contrib09:59
jdongI thought it was just a contrib issue09:59
minghuawell, then I don't see any problem09:59
minghuathey use Sun Java, I assume09:59
man-dino, its in main now09:59
minghuaFujitsu: I'm just telling you the argument I heard, not necessarily agreeing with it10:00
man-dijdong: no, its a dumbness issue of the maintainer10:00
Fujitsuminghua: Noted.10:00
man-dijdong: he has no clue about java, thats his probelm10:00
FujitsuI saw something about it recently; possibly in one of the DPL platforms.10:00
imbrandonFujitsu, you actualy read those? heh10:01
Fujitsuimbrandon: Some of them.10:01
man-diminghua: lately he used GCJ10:01
man-diminghua: but not in a good way10:01
man-diminghua: its more mis-use10:01
minghuaman-di: yeah, I think that's the only way it can be main _now_10:01
minghuamaybe things will change in the future10:01
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man-diminghua: perhaps10:01
jdongimbrandon: I've only roughly played with it... it seemed interesting10:02
man-diminghua: thanks to doko for fixing azurues for Ubuntu a bit10:02
imbrandonnextenia (sp? )10:02
imbrandonjdong, ^10:02
minghuaFujitsu: I think a recent change in Debian is that DDs are allowed to do binary-only uploads now10:02
man-diminghua: this was always allowed10:02
minghuaFujitsu: the platform, which I also heard about, should be about source _only_ uploads10:03
jdongimbrandon: yeah, nexenta10:03
imbrandonyea i have had it installed on a box here about 3 weeks ( since Ian went to Sun ), seems solid and its based on ubuntu packages ( abet old ones )10:03
FujitsubinNMUs, you mean? That has been there forever.10:03
man-diminghua: but there were some restrictions on some archs lately and the GR reverted this again10:03
jdongimbrandon: they were like dapper-age packages...10:03
jdongnot terribly bad10:03
minghuaman-di: no, by binary-only, I mean no sources, just the .debs10:03
imbrandonyea dapper packages , edgy artwork10:03
jdongthough admittedly I liked FBSD ports better10:03
jdongthough overall I found FBSD to be pretty high maintenance10:03
jdongthough fun10:03
man-diminghua: thats what I mean too10:03
minghuaFujitsu: no, different thing, although binNMU is perhaps no more than two years old10:03
jdongi.e. this irssi is running on a 32MB RAM FBSD vmware session :)10:04
jdongwhy... because I feel like it :D10:04
man-diminghua: the problem was that only 3 people were allowed to upload binaries for arm10:04
man-diminghua: and this GR reverted this decision10:04
Fujitsuminghua: Guhttp://www.nabble.com/update-on-binary-upload-restrictions-t3095812.html10:04
Fujitsus/minghua: Gu//10:04
TheMusoEvening folks10:05
FujitsuThat gives the reasons for not moving to source-only.10:05
man-diFujitsu: this is what was reverted by the GR10:05
FujitsuHi TheMuso.10:05
Fujitsuman-di: GR?10:05
imbrandongeneral resolution10:05
imbrandonsmoke break brb10:05
man-diFujitsu: Debian General Resolution, a way to overrule decisions10:06
imbrandonkinda like if -devel could veto a sabdfl decision10:07
imbrandonby votes10:07
StevenKimbrandon: Not really.10:08
imbrandonStevenK, o rly? thats how i understood it10:08
imbrandonsplain pwease :)10:08
StevenKWell, a GR goes to a vote, with one of the options being "Further Discussion"10:08
StevenKAnd it uses Condercet, so the winner might not be clear anyway.10:09
StevenKBesides, he wouldn't be the SADBFL if we could overrule his vote.10:09
imbrandonheh :P10:10
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minghuathe GR man-di mentioned10:12
minghuaalthough I still can't quite grasp what it means10:12
=== ajmitch waves to Fujitsu from hong kong airport
man-diminghua: the GR was a bit strange, I agree10:13
man-diminghua: and many people want to have a more general solution10:14
minghuaman-di: did you say people could do binary-only uploads long ago, then James changed it, then this GR is passed and the rule goes back to where it was?10:15
FujitsuBinary-only uploads were only restricted for some architectures.10:16
=== ajmitch still has nearly a full day of travelling to go, what fun
Fujitsuajmitch: That does sound like fun.10:18
ajmitchit really is10:20
minghuaajmitch: maybe next time you can arrange to stay at Hong Kong for a day and play around :-)10:20
ajmitchmy flight for auckland leaves in ~2 hours10:20
ajmitchand then I have 4 & 1/2 hours in auckland airport10:20
ajmitchthankfully there's free wifi here 10:20
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TheMusoHeya ajmitch.10:23
man-diminghua: yes10:24
man-diminghua: James changed it only for arm and some other small arch10:25
imbrandonajmitch, heya10:25
imbrandonman long layover10:25
ajmitchI've had worse10:26
minghuaman-di: I see.  I think I only read the GR result and didn't know the whole story, therefore mis-intepreted it10:26
minghuaman-di: thanks for the explanation10:26
man-diminghua: the GR was also misleading for people knowinf the whole story10:27
=== Fujitsu kicks Debian maintainers who produce packages that fail to build even after having the two missing build-deps added.
man-diFujitsu: which package?10:31
FujitsuThere was a serious bug filed on it 5 days ago about this.10:31
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=== ajmitch should probably preserve some battery life for the airport in NZ
ajmitchsince this wasn't fully charged10:34
minghuathey have free wi-fi but no free power?10:34
man-diminghua: this way they can charge fo using your beard shaper too10:34
minghuaalthough on second thought, you don't need a socket to use free wi-fi10:35
superm1hey would any of you MOTU's have a few moments for a revu?10:35
ajmitchoh they have free power10:35
ajmitchbut it requires an appropriate plug10:35
imbrandonajmitch, you dont have a plug that will work in NZ /10:36
imbrandonman the coke machine at work is out of mt dew :'(10:37
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Fujitsuimbrandon: Can you survive?10:40
ajmitchok, got power now10:40
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minghuaI thought with his fridge, imbrandon would never need a coke machine for mountain dew...10:40
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ajmitchfridge? I thought he just stacked them in front of the cooling units at the DC10:41
imbrandonminghua, hehe wellt he fridge is at home10:41
imbrandonand i'm at work10:41
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minghuaimbrandon: aren't you in US?10:42
imbrandonminghua, yes, i work nights mostly , well 12am to 10am localtime10:42
minghuaimbrandon: ok.  still, it's a weekend night...10:43
imbrandonand since tonight i'm at the DC that houses my servers ( not the one i normaly am at ) i've been doing a bit of upgrading and maint :)10:43
FujitsuIs intrepid going to reappear in the foreseeable future?10:45
imbrandonFujitsu, yea , i have it and the new sparc loading tongiht, probably be in the rack in the next 12 hours10:46
imbrandonor so10:46
FujitsuOh, nice.10:46
imbrandonmostly i'm waiting on new ip's from the networking team for the sparc10:46
imbrandonits ready to go10:47
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ajmitchwireless signal strength is low, ssh is getting *very* laggy10:47
imbrandonbrb, guess i get a dr pepper instead of a dew10:47
FujitsuYay, sparc is slowly catching up...10:50
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StevenKajmitch: Boost your txpower?10:50
StevenKimbrandon: You'll get a new netblock, or a bigger one?10:51
ajmitchStevenK: it's variable10:51
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ajmitchok, back tomorrow11:02
StevenKajmitch: Enjoy your flight11:02
FujitsuBye ajmitch.11:03
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=== StevenK gets out and pushes his machine.
StevenKCome on, build quicker! I know it's a QT app, but give me a break!11:07
FujitsuStevenK: Lucky Hobbsee's travelling.11:07
DarkMageZStevenK, what are you building?11:08
StevenKFujitsu: Heh11:08
StevenKDarkMageZ: kat11:08
imbrandonStevenK, a bigger one11:09
imbrandonStevenK, actualy i'm on a 255.0 netblock , i'll just more ip's that are mine11:09
imbrandonfrom the network team11:09
imbrandonthe employee rack is all on the same class c11:10
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FujitsuHow many do you have allocated to you now?11:10
imbrandonerr 611:10
StevenKimbrandon: Ah. That's cheating. :-)11:11
imbrandon230 to 236 iirc are all mine, i would ahve to look to make sure, i know 230 231 and 232 are, would have to check the rest11:11
imbrandonStevenK, hehe11:11
StevenKIt builds! Ship it!11:13
StevenKimbrandon: What kind of sparc?11:13
=== minghua just realized that StevenK has been around forever seeing a fortune quote about StevenK
StevenKminghua: Oh?11:14
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imbrandonminghua, eh?11:14
minghuaStevenK: yes, from the "fortune" program, I assume that's you11:14
shawarmaminghua: Share it!11:15
StevenKfortune -m StevenK doesn't return anything.11:15
imbrandonminghua, what was the quote ?11:15
minghuaactually from my Wanda Fish, but the same11:15
minghuahey, it's not easy to find a fortune quote once you've passed it...11:15
persiaStevenK: It does for me ("You're rewriting parts of Quake in *Python*?" and "I can usually supress the feelings that tell me to crash tackle a girl into the bushes"), although those may be misattributed.11:16
StevenKNeither of them are.11:16
StevenKI'd forgotten about the first one.11:16
imbrandonhahahaha @ #111:16
minghua<StevenK> I can usually supress the feelings that tell me to crash tackle a girl into the bushes11:16
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minghuathanks StevenK for the "-m" tip11:16
StevenKpersia: :-P11:17
=== imbrandon gets to be on lugradio tomarrow, w00t
FujitsuGoogle Code Search works well for that sort of thing.11:18
minghuaStevenK: who is knghtbrd?  I see a lot of quotes from him11:18
StevenKAn old DD from around '98 to '0211:18
StevenKI've forgotten his real name.11:18
FujitsuStevenK: For how many eternities have you been a DD?11:19
crimsunJoe Carter.11:19
imbrandonFujitsu, i think 6 years , correct ?11:19
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DarkSun88Hi all11:27
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=== persia seeks UUS attention for bugs 35375 (BUGFIX PATCH), 112606 (SYNC REQUEST), and 113479 (MERGE).
ubotuLaunchpad bug 35375 in scorched3d "Scorched3d SIGSEGV on startup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3537511:33
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Fujitsubug 35375, bug 112606, bug 11347911:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 35375 in scorched3d "Scorched3d SIGSEGV on startup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3537511:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Pleas sync audacity 1.3.2-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11260611:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113479 in drscheme "Please merge drscheme 360-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11347911:36
Fujitsudrscheme is one of mine; I'll look at it.11:36
persiaFujitsu: For me, this version finally solves the slib installation problem :)11:37
imbrandoni'll poke the scorched3d one, i love that game11:39
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imbrandonpersia, ^11:39
persiaimbrandon: Warning: it's really a patch to wxwidgets2.6 to fix unicode characters in the GECOS field.11:40
imbrandonerr 11:40
FujitsuThat sounds dangerous.11:40
persiaimbrandon: I'd appreciate a look anyway, and could walk you through testcases, etc. :)11:40
Treenaksvery dangerous#11:40
imbrandona bit11:40
FujitsuExperience has shown that the best way to deal with wxwidgets patches is to run away, terribly fast.11:41
persiaFujitsu: Treenaks: It's just a backport of a patch I pulled from upstream and applied to 2.8 a couple months ago.11:41
StevenKFujitsu: I became a DD in July 200111:41
StevenKFujitsu: Where were you in 2001? Primary school? :-P11:41
FujitsuStevenK: That impressive.11:42
FujitsuI was in year 5, yes.11:42
imbrandonStevenK, diapers?11:42
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StevenKI wasn't going to say that. I did think it, though.11:42
TheMusoFujitsu: ??11:42
StevenKTheMuso: Read the backscroll.11:42
FujitsuTheMuso: You were the nearest thing, and I had to drop something on imbrandon.11:43
TheMusoThanks for giving me warning. :)11:43
FujitsuStevenK: You've been a DD almost as long as I've been using GNU/Linux :(11:43
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StevenKFujitsu: Just think, I was using Linux for 3 years before I got DD-ship.11:43
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=== Fujitsu feels young.
FujitsuWell, I am young... but...11:44
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imbrandonhrm persia i'm not really comffy uploading that, mainly because i'm not familiar with wx*11:45
imbrandonnot hte diff its self11:45
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FujitsuI only maintain two packages in Debian :(11:45
imbrandonFujitsu, i only maintain one11:45
imbrandonin debian11:45
FujitsuI had one until a week ago11:45
persiaimbrandon: No worries.  Nobody seems confortable, and every app that uses the GECOS field segfaults on start for people with non-ASCII characters in their names.  Eventually, we'll all migrate to 2.8.11:46
FujitsuThis is why we should all have normal Latin names :P11:46
persiaFujitsu: It would simplify locale testing...11:46
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FujitsuSolaris... dist-upgrading?11:48
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minghuaLatin names lose too much information11:48
FujitsuI've been attacking a few Debian things tonight :(11:48
Fujitsuminghua: Not if the name was Latin in the first place!11:49
minghuamany different Chinese names have the same latin transliteration11:49
minghuaFujitsu: Hmm11:49
minghuaFujitsu: which means Chinese people have to stop speaking Chinese, I think I'll pass11:50
imbrandonFujitsu, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20618/11:50
Fujitsuminghua: Yeah, I didn't think they'd be very receptive to that.11:50
Treenaksminghua: Speaking isn't the problem, writing is :P11:50
persiaminghua: You have a non-Latin name.  Would you be willing to upload the wxwidgets2.6 patch?11:50
Fujitsuimbrandon: Ah, how well does Nexenta work? I've been pondering trying it for a while.11:51
minghuaalthough seriously, they tried to romanize written Chinese some years ago11:51
imbrandonFujitsu, solaris kernel + ubuntu dapper userland == Nexenta11:51
Fujitsuimbrandon: I know, but does it actually work properly/11:51
imbrandonFujitsu, just been messing with it a few weeks, seems solid11:51
minghuapersia: looking at it11:51
persiaminghua: Thanks.  Please let me know if you have any questions.11:52
FujitsuI haven't touched Solaris since the Fundamentals of UNIX classes at TAFE a couple of years back.11:52
imbrandonunstable is truely unstable, but testing works good11:52
imbrandonand with alpha6 you can run sun binarys too along with gnu ones11:53
imbrandonlike DTrace11:53
imbrandonthe only think i dont like is ssh is still on 80x24 no matter what your term is set to11:55
minghuaalthough I need to point out I use my romanized name in my GECOS field...11:55
imbrandonbut thats only a minor issue11:55
persiaminghua: Why?  In a UTF8 environment, you should be able to use Hanzi.11:55
minghuaI know, but there is no way to input hanzi in the installation process11:56
minghuaand I like in the US after all11:56
minghuaI always use the romanized name in email11:57
minghuaso I never bothered to have a Chinese GECOS field11:57
persiaminghua: Too bad.   is much more concise :).11:58
minghuausing romanized name in email also avoids the risk of being labelled as spam, I suppose11:58
persiaminghua: In the US, probably.  Other places, it's common.11:58
minghuapersia: sure.  I used to use Chinese names in college at China12:00
minghuaalthough I didn't know what a GECOS field is then :-)12:00
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imbrandonhahahaha StevenK http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f4_117903897612:03
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imbrandonthat 911 call is way way way too funnny12:03
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FujitsuI think I'm dead.12:05
StevenKFujitsu: Oh?12:06
imbrandontime is going by realy really really slow12:06
Fujitsupersia: drscheme is uploading.12:09
persiaFujitsu: Thanks.12:09
StevenKFujitsu: Consider yourself lucky that you don't have to upload l-r-m.12:09
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Fujitsupersia: No problem.12:10
StevenKFujitsu: The orig tarball is 140Mb.12:10
FujitsuOnly 140MiB... What's the problem, StevenK?12:10
FujitsuDamn, you beat me to it :(12:10
Denni2How do you mark a bug as duplicate ?12:10
FujitsuDenni2: Using the `Mark as duplicate' item in the Actions portlet.12:11
Fujitsudrscheme is 14MiB.12:11
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minghuapersia: looks like a very straight forward patch, but sorry I don't have time to test build it now12:12
Denni2Sorry but I can't see such an option12:12
=== Fujitsu wishes Soyuz would note the lack of an orig.tar.gz and grab it from Debian.
FujitsuDenni2: Are you logged in?12:12
minghuapersia: I've subscribed to it and I'll come back to it later if no other MOTU has done the upload12:13
persiaminghua: No problem.  It's been around for a while :).  If you have time later, please consider uploading it.  Thanks for looking.12:13
minghuapersia: are you applying for MOTU by the way?12:13
FujitsuDenni2: It should be there, second from the top.12:13
persiaminghua: Hobbsee managed to convince me, but I need to become a member first.  I'm on the agenda for 5/15, after which I will apply.12:14
minghuasounds a long way to go12:14
imbrandoniirc you become a member if to become  MOTU 12:14
FujitsuDoesn't the MOTU Council have membership permissions nowadays?12:14
Denni2Oops I missed it. Sorry !12:14
imbrandonFujitsu, yea12:14
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minghuapersia: good luck12:14
persiaminghua: long way?12:15
persiaFujitsu: Not yet, last I heard.12:15
imbrandonpersia, yes they do12:15
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FujitsuSounds very strange that they can grant upload rights but not membership.12:15
minghuapersia: oh, maybe the process changed nowadays, but when I applied, it took a while12:15
imbrandonyou can apply to be a MOTU and will be granted membership if you becomes MOTU12:15
persiaimbrandon: Really!  Thanks.  I'll compose my note earlier then :)12:15
minghuapersia: waiting for the two meetings to happen was not short time12:16
crimsuncorrect, you're implicitly a member whenupon MC approves.12:16
imbrandonSetting up libstdc++6-4.0-dev (4.0.3-1nexenta6) ...12:16
crimsunit's almost like the fast track we had for Hoary.12:16
minghuagood, good, so things indeed changed12:16
crimsunah, those were the days...12:16
imbrandoncrimsun, hehe12:17
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=== Fujitsu feels young again.
persiaSo, just to make sure I understand the process, should I list as "Sponsors" people who have uploaded 5 or more of my revisions to the repositories, or should I seek volunteers? <I really should have applied for Hoary>12:17
crimsunpersia: people who have worked with you12:18
persiacrimsun: Thanks.12:18
imbrandonpersia, people that know you ( and are MOTU or core already )12:18
=== Fujitsu notes that he hasn't even heard of about 10 of the 60 MsOTU. :(
crimsunspeaking of which, I think my MOTU & ubuntu-dev memberships expire Real Soon Now.12:20
Fujitsucrimsun: 5 days for MOTU.12:20
imbrandonmine dont expire for another yea iirc12:22
imbrandoneither one12:22
Fujitsuimbrandon: But crimsun has been around forever.12:22
imbrandonFujitsu, hehe ;)12:22
imbrandonbddebian had to renew not long ago12:23
imbrandonis core and MOTU both 2 years? /me looks12:23
FujitsuI think they're now 1 year, but existing memberships haven't been changed.12:25
imbrandonyup i'm good on MOTU till 2008-07-30 and core-dev till 2008-09-1012:27
imbrandonnother year12:27
Treenaksimbrandon: unless you can stand another term, probably ;)12:28
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imbrandonwhat a bunch of riffraff https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+mugshots12:29
Treenaksimbrandon: You should see those new CC members ;) 12:30
FujitsuTreenaks: Nice (though I saw it a week ago)12:31
imbrandonthats laserjock and who? ( i know its not corey )12:31
Treenaksimbrandon: the name tag is correct ;)12:32
FujitsuIt looks rather un-Coreyish.12:32
Treenakscompare: http://foodfight.org/fotos/2007/05-07%20UDS%20Sevilla/00014.jpg.html12:32
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FujitsuWho's that in http://foodfight.org/fotos/2007/05-07%20UDS%20Sevilla/00038.jpg.html?12:33
TreenaksFujitsu: racarr 12:33
imbrandonwow jono dident have a black t-shirt on in that pic 12:34
minghuapersia: BTW, do you know the upstream's take on wxwidgets 2.6?12:36
minghuapersia: is there a chance upstream will backport this fix themselves?12:37
persiaminghua: I haven't contacted them.  If it's a concern for you (and you're the first who has been willing to seriously look at the patch), I'll contact upstream for verification, and update the bug.12:37
minghuapersia: would be nice, but depends on how much time you have for this bug12:38
minghuapersia: contacting upstream isn't a requirement for me to do the upload12:39
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persiaminghua: I've been chasing it for a year so far, so a few days more won't matter :)12:39
minghuait's just we as MOTUs don't have enough time for the details of every package12:39
=== minghua is very confused by the wxwidgets2.6 package
persiaminghua: I'm currently watching the WX stuff fairly closely, but it's not going to hurt to check with upstream anyway.12:41
minghuaanybody knows why Debian has a native package for wxwidgets2.6?12:41
minghuapersia: then please ask them, at least ask if there is ever going to be non-security new 2.6 releases12:42
persiaminghua: I'll do that, and update the bug.  Thanks again for looking at this.12:42
minghuapersia: thank YOU for putting much effort in it12:43
persiaminghua: It's how I spend my vacations :)12:43
imbrandoncogent is having issues12:44
crimsunminghua: it was posed by Adrian Bunk to Ron Lee way back when, and Ron's justification in so many words was that as upstream, he had the liberty to roll a native upstream as he wished.12:45
imbrandon( one of our main bw providers )12:45
minghuacrimsun: I see, so the maintainer can have his way then, I suppose12:46
minghua(if just he can acknowledge NMU sooner)12:46
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crimsunminghua: for reference, Debian 344280 and Debian 35162612:48
ubotuDebian bug 344280 in wxwidgets2.6 "wxwidgets2.6 is not a native Debian package" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/34428012:48
ubotuDebian bug 351626 in wxwidgets2.6 "wxwidgets2.6 should not be native" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/35162612:48
minghuaand to have a Debian-only version after the upstream 2.6.3 release, then followed by _five_ NMUs is really... let's say, outsider unfriendly12:50
minghuacrimsun: thanks for the pointers12:50
siretartheyha folks!12:55
Lutinheya siretart 12:55
FujitsuHi siretart.12:57
siretarthuhu Lutin + Fujitsu 12:57
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=== minghua starts to understand Fujitsu's comments about wxwidgets patches
minghuaunfortunately it's probably a bit too late :-P01:01
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imbrandonheya siretart 01:03
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minghuabye guys01:17
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FujitsuHi rgl.01:18
rglI'm trying to rebuil bind9, but its faling with some errors that I dunno how to fix: http://pastie.caboo.se/61190   can you please help me?01:20
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sorsiswould there be any sence if ubuntu package distribution would turn in to torrent based package distribution?01:58
StevenKI believe there is a Google Summer of Code project about that.02:00
DarkMageZwe already have plenty of mirrors02:02
DarkMageZmaybe for 3'rd party repos it would be practical.02:02
FujitsuArgh, please... no 3rd party repos!02:02
DarkMageZsometimes 3'rd party repos are nessesary. such as for stuff like quake 3 which hasn't made it into the ubuntu repos02:03
FujitsuWe don't want them to be more easily got at, I don't think.02:03
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DarkMageZand the ubuntu satanic edition stuff02:04
FujitsuDon't forget Ubuntu Christian Edition 3.0, with Advanced Automatix Technologies(tm).02:04
DarkMageZyeah, they can burn as far as i'm concerned02:05
=== StevenK twitches.
DarkMageZgnomefreaks mozilla stuff repo02:05
FujitsuSorry StevenK.02:05
DarkMageZoh, and the ubuntu studio repo is also useful :P02:05
=== Fujitsu doesn't trust Ubuntu Studio at all any more.
DarkMageZi've taken most of the theme stuff from their repo as their theme is good :)02:07
FujitsuWasn't there an email to -devel-discuss a couple of weeks ago saying that it was very import that some new ALSA and something else were added to Feisty? After release?02:07
=== StevenK is quite happy with {U,{K,Ed,X}u}buntu.
DarkMageZthey ended up updating libpulse02:08
=== StevenK looks at the -devel-discuss archives.
Fujitsu`Please update the 7.04 repository with the current version of jackd 02:08
Fujitsucompiled with default tmpdir=/dev/shm - thus maximising system performance.02:08
FujitsuSome 12 days after release.02:08
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TheMusoFujitsu: WHo sent that?02:09
=== TheMuso doesn't follow -discuss
StevenKAdressed to Hobbsee, too.02:09
imbrandonFujitsu, crimsun ( aka alsa king ) helps a bit with studio :)02:09
FujitsuSimon Lewis. He then posted a followup about it being needed for Ubuntu Studio.02:09
Fujitsuimbrandon: I thought so, but that post removed any good feelings I may have had about them.02:10
imbrandonand they do follow ubuntu versioning in their repo and working on getting everything "official", actualty they are the best community derivitive as far as i'm consierned when it comes to thart type of stuff02:10
FujitsuThe best community derivative is Xubuntu, surely.02:10
=== StevenK agrees with Fujitsu.
sorsisis there way to easily download packages even though those are installed on comp?02:11
_MMA_DarkMageZ: The Puld thing was a mistake. That package should be fine but it was needed to build our disk.02:11
imbrandonFujitsu, not imho but thats opinion :)02:11
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=== imbrandon dosent care for xfce
imbrandoneven less than gnome02:11
Fujitsuimbrandon: Um, the entirety of Xubuntu is in the official repositories.02:12
imbrandonFujitsu, right but it wasent always that way, and as i said they are working on doing the same with studio, its psudo official02:12
imbrandonas of now02:12
TheMusoFujitsu, imbrandon, its called not giving enough time to get everything into the repo.02:12
TheMusoUnfortunately the guys pushed everything a little late.02:12
=== TheMuso is working with them now.
imbrandonTheMuso, i know, i am too02:13
=== TheMuso will be working with the others to get everything into feisty in plenty of time.
_MMA_Fujitsu: And we didnt send that JACK post so theres no need to be pissy with us. Also all our packages are built to ubuntu standards. Our repo really just has the art that the archive admins didnt process even after we files the proper exceptions.02:13
Fujitsu12 days after release, asking for a new upstream version, with changed default behaviour, with apparently no longer of the fact that a release means a release...02:13
FujitsuTheMuso: Gutsy, you mean?02:13
_MMA_err... JACK update I mean.02:13
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imbrandonFujitsu, that aparently dident come from the studio team though, thats like pissing on kubuntu because some user asks for a new ktorrent after release :)02:14
FujitsuOh, I see. Oops.02:14
Fujitsu`The reason for my request is that I think it is02:14
Fujitsuvery important for UbunuStudio to have these 2 versions on board.02:14
_MMA_Sure, I saw it. Was a user.02:14
FujitsuThat makes it sound like it's coming from the UbuntuStudio people.02:14
_MMA_The whole team sits in here. You could just ask us. :)02:15
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imbrandonFujitsu, sure let me make an annon post saying "its uber important to ahve the new ktorrent 5 in dapper" heheh02:15
=== StevenK hands Fujitsu his earlier words, and his hat.
=== Fujitsu is hit by the door.
=== StevenK also hands Fujitsu a knife and fork.
enycHrrrm... seems like things move between universe and main.. and vice versa sometimes ... cant remember examples now ;-)02:16
imbrandonenyc, sure, that happenes at times, why do you mention it ?02:16
TheMusoenyc: Yes, this certainly does happen02:16
enycimbrandon: not sure ;-) dont have a debugger for enyc_brain though02:16
_MMA_Fujitsu: Rest assured all our stuff will be in the Gutsy repos. ;) Its was just about timing.02:17
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StevenKenyc: openoffice.org-voikko for Feisty I can recall.02:17
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imbrandon_MMA_ might even convince kamoin to make some cd when the dailys start rolling ;)02:18
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StevenKI uploaded a build2 and got told by LP, "You can't do that, it's in main. Hands off."02:18
StevenKimbrandon: cjwatson, kthnbye02:18
StevenKkthxbye, even02:18
FujitsuStevenK: Some of us still hold onto the hope that Kamion will return.02:18
imbrandonyea shhhh02:19
imbrandonso i'm a few months behind02:19
TheMusocjwatson is boring.02:19
=== TheMuso preferred kamion.
StevenKTheMuso: Like StevenK?02:19
FujitsuAt least 8 months, I think.02:19
FujitsuTheMuso: Right.02:19
TheMusoStevenK: But you've had that since I first saw you on IRC.02:19
StevenKI've had this nick since I first hit IRC.02:20
TheMusoI guess he changed though, as he uses that for lp.02:20
StevenKDecember '98 or so.02:20
imbrandoni've had mine since 97/98ish02:20
=== Fujitsu continues to feel even younger.
StevenKFujitsu: Where were you in 98? :-P02:21
imbrandonsince i first logged onto Stratics IRC02:21
=== persia has been persia since 1996
FujitsuWe didn't even have net access back then!02:21
FujitsuUm, grade 1 was '98.02:21
TheMusoTheMuso: I've had this nick since early 2001, but never frequented IRC till late 2004.02:21
imbrandon1st Grade !!!!!!!!!!??!! /me feels old now02:21
TheMusoAs for getting on the net... Now that happened mid 97.02:21
StevenKTheMuso: Telling yourself? :-P02:22
TheMusoStevenK: heh02:22
TheMusoMy first distro was Debian potatoe.02:22
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StevenKMy first was RedHat 4.202:22
persiaFujitsu: No, it deserves the extra "e".02:23
FujitsuBaaah, mine was Redhat 7 :(02:23
StevenKFujitsu: You have no hope of winning. :-P02:23
imbrandonugh Nexenta pbuilder/debootstrap is look http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper 02:23
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TheMusoI also tried Mandrake 7.2, but I started having a dislike for rpm very early on.02:23
imbrandonmy first distro was redhat 4.x02:24
imbrandoni think02:24
StevenKpersia: People stopped using that because all of the developers choked on their tongues trying to tell people how to pronounce it.02:24
imbrandonit was redhat something02:24
DarkMageZredhat 9 =D02:24
imbrandonbah i never made it past 6 , i rember that02:25
StevenKI never used RedHat 7. I jumped from RedHat 6.2 to Hamm.02:25
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imbrandoni went to suse02:25
FujitsuWHAT!? Somebody using it for less than me? Impossible.02:25
=== Fujitsu stabs imbrandon.
persiaStevenK: Yeah, well, but it was a pretty disc!02:25
StevenKFujitsu: Don't use that language around me!02:25
=== TheMuso used slackware from mid 2001, to the time warty pre-release came out.
Fujitsu<3 Slackware02:25
=== StevenK ignored Ubuntu until Breezy.
imbrandonslackware? thats right up there with gentoo, gentoo == GENeraly TOO much trubble02:26
StevenKGiven how much I've enjoyed myself, I have no idea why.02:26
=== Fujitsu ignored Ubuntu until some pre-release of Hoary, before that was Debian, before that was Slackware, before that was Redhat.
persiaStevenK: Did you have that much confidence in the sarge process?02:26
TheMusoBy the time I dumped Slackware, I was *VERY* pissed off with the way its *cough* package management *cough* was designed.02:26
imbrandonTheMuso, slackware has packagemanagement ?02:26
StevenKTheMuso: Slackware wouldn't know a package manager if it got bitten on the arse by one.02:26
FujitsuA friend convinced me to try Mandrake one.02:27
FujitsuI used it for two days then gave up.02:27
StevenKFujitsu: He's no friend now?02:27
persiaTheMuso: If you think that was bad, track down an old GNU Software Distribution disc :)02:27
FujitsuStevenK: This was some years ago, so not really.02:27
StevenKFriends don't let friends use RPM.02:27
imbrandon1.4mb floppys ?02:27
FujitsuPah, friends?02:27
TheMuso<R>otten <P>ackage <M>anagmenet02:28
DarkMageZStevenK, what do you do if you've got a friend who thinks rpm's are better than debs?02:28
imbrandonDarkMageZ, slap them with a dictionary02:28
FujitsuDarkMageZ: Cause them to have something sharp sticking through them?02:28
imbrandonand then asl them to inplace upgrade a redhat 6.2 box to rh 902:28
StevenKOhh, that's a good one.02:29
StevenKHow about RedHat 9 to FC6?02:29
DarkMageZooh, burn =D02:29
FujitsuOr just not have any real friends, as you can't /ignore people off IRC. Much easier.02:29
imbrandonthey will either 1) say it is impossible or 2) fail02:29
TheMusoOr even upgarde FC5 to FC6.02:29
gesergive them debtakeover02:30
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imbrandondebtakeover rocks02:30
StevenKTheMuso: Seen that done. Over, I think, 4 tries.02:30
TheMusoyum! I love dealing with broken upgrades from a rotten package management system.02:30
TheMusoStevenK: heh02:30
StevenKdpkg gets some strange ideas sometimes, but it's nowhere near as SNAFU as RPM.02:31
DarkMageZimbrandon, you made my friend yell stfu. congrats :)02:32
enycHrrm''' does anybody know af a universe packgae I can use... something like using "ser2net" but so that I can directly "cat" a serial line at 9600,8,N,1 to current console/terminal without TCP sockets ?  (like minicom but without all the extra terminal emulation and all taht I dont want) ? ;-)02:32
StevenKenyc: nc02:32
imbrandonyou know the only way i could keep away from dependcy hell with suse was to install every package on the DVD, all 12 gigs of it once installed02:32
imbrandonDarkMageZ, hehe 02:32
TheMusoimbrandon: SOunds like what I found whenever playing with RPM distros.02:32
enycimbrandon: I remember buggy suse02:33
enycStevenK: ereee thats TCP/UDP <> current terminal/console02:33
StevenKI got turned off SuSE when I saw their splash screen proclaiming them to be "The Linux Experts"02:33
paranrpm have some nice features as well02:33
enycStevenK: I want ttyS0 at 9600 8 N 1 <> current terminal/console ;-)02:33
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enycStevenK: but without minicom's terminal emulator there02:33
StevenKenyc: ser2net, nc ? :-P02:33
=== Fujitsu has a SuSE 6.1 manual here for some strange reason.
DarkMageZStevenK, have you seen the splash screen in 10.2? or the bootloader02:34
FujitsuNo idea where that would have come from :S02:34
enycStevenK: yes... but is there sometnhing in universe that does not need a TCP socket,  or not? ;-)02:34
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DarkMageZStevenK, it's pretty02:34
StevenKenyc: I have no idea. A getty?02:34
enycStevenK: seems that is for logins only02:35
enycStevenK: it seems so simplee....02:35
enycStevenK: but I dont know how.. bah!02:35
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=== TheMuso is doing a talk on a11y at a local LUG organised event next Saturday.
TheMuso...and shoudl start preparing.02:36
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StevenKTheMuso: Bootcamp or something?02:45
TheMusoStevenK: Yup.02:45
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StevenKHrm. I had no idea DarkMageZ was a local guy.03:18
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ranf_Is cdbs usable with a stock Makefile?03:31
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ranf_(ah nevermind file:///usr/share/doc/cdbs/cdbs-doc.html)03:50
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siretartxxxxx1: around?03:54
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pochuHello there! I'm merging revelation, and I have a question. The ubuntu orig.tar.gz has intltool-[extract,merge,update] , while debian .orig.tar.gz and upstream doesnt. It was a mistake while packaging it, right? But the question is: What should I do with them? They are causing a really huge diff.gz, so is it possible to use the debian .orig.tar.gz?05:06
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gpocentekpochu: does debian have a newer upstream release?05:17
pochugpocentek: no, it's the same release05:20
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pochuwe have -0ubuntu3, and they have -2, both 0.4.1105:21
gpocentekpochu: you have to use the ubuntu orig then...05:21
pochuok, so I have to keep those files there :/05:22
pochugpocentek: thanks for your help05:22
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stgrabergpocentek, TheMuso : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5133 <-- Just changed the description05:43
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sorsishas anyone before thought of distrivuting zipped packages?05:48
stgrabersorsis: What do you mean ?05:49
gpocentekstgraber: gauvain@joe:~/dev/MOTU/miniracer/build$ lintian *deb05:49
gpocentekE: miniracer: description-starts-with-package-name05:49
stgrabergpocentek: hmm, ...05:49
sorsisstgraber: that apt-get would download zips, unzip packages and install after that?05:49
gpocentekstgraber: the short description is the origin of the lintian warning05:49
stgrabergpocentek: oh, I see, I missed that line :)05:50
gpocenteksorsis: what would be the interest?05:50
stgrabersorsis: if you "ar x" a deb archive you'll see it content .tar.gz files and then is already compressed05:54
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stgrabergpocentek: How were the Feistyvits ?05:57
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stgrabergpocentek: Lintian should be happy with : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=513506:02
stgrabershort description updated06:02
gpocentekstgraber: feistyvits was cool, but I didn't stay a very long time06:03
stgraberok, I heard there was a lot of people06:03
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gpocentekstgraber: +1 from me, I'll upload the package06:11
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stgraberok, thanks06:11
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luisbghello all06:14
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eolo999Hi ScottK 06:19
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eolo999is there anyone I can ask some C related question for a bug i'm working on?06:28
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ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)06:30
bmmjust ask06:30
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bmmI'm more into C++... but ok. Any MOTU poeple online who have some time left to look at my package (ccbuild)?06:31
bmmeolo999: are you still working on that question?06:32
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eolo999bmm, I have a python package that use some c libraries, i have some ideas on how to solve the bug, but i should recompile a c source file and don't know how to do it properly...06:37
bmmNo Makefile, or build script? Try to grep for the C filenames in all the files you have, if they are mentioned somewhere, then that's probably your build script/system.06:38
eolo999can I use debuild?06:39
bmmIn the package? Yes, just mention it as a build-dependency (build-depend in debian/control)06:40
eolo999sorry, i'm not clear but really C/C++ make me very confused!!!06:40
eolo999compared to python...06:40
bmmeolo999: it's like precompiled python: you have to run a compiler on the c sources and combine them into a library. I've never used debuild, but if that's the build system for it, then use that.06:42
eolo999thanks bmm, i'm trying....06:42
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bmmBefore you start working on the package, you should be comfortable with building and installing the package from source. After that you can automate it into a package06:42
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eolo999I have just to test (often) if what I changed in sources helped fixing the bug... in python this is immediate...06:44
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ScottKeolo999: It's Mother's Day here in the US, so no computer time for me today...06:46
eolo999ok ScottK 06:46
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fargiolasLamego: ping?06:46
Lamegopong ?06:47
fargiolasLamego: would you please consider building a gnu-readline-enabled gnuplot version?06:47
eolo999i should test my change for Bug #13803 but it's in a C source file and not exactly know how to act...06:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 13803 in mysql-dfsg "Mysql insecure temporary file creation with CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE privilege escalation (dup-of: 13818)" [High,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380306:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 13818 in mysql-dfsg-4.1 "MySQL Privilege Escalation and Command Execution Vulnerabilities" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1381806:47
eolo999srong bug number06:48
fargiolasLamego: ubuntu does not include it because of license incompatibility between gpl and gnuplot license06:48
Lamegofargiolas, I dont usually build command line apps :P06:48
eolo999Bug #11380306:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380306:48
Lamegofargiolas, I don't violate licenses neither :)06:48
Lamegofor that you have medibuntu06:48
Lamegotry the medibuntu team06:49
fargiolasLamego: ok thanks, i'm not sure if is there a real license violation because gnuplot i distributed with readline code with no problems06:49
eolo999ScottK, I send you an email with a diff file, give a look at it an if you can try it...06:49
Lamegofargiolas, they are the copyrith owners, they can "violate" the license which is selected by them06:50
LamegoI mean copyright holders06:50
nixternalScottK: got the go ahead to maintain krename in Debian! Going to be moving it over to pkg-kde/kde-extras :)06:51
fargiolasLamego: gnuplot is free (i think a bsd like license) but not gpl. mm well maybe you are right06:51
fargiolasi'll install it from sources then :P06:51
Lamegoand today I already have a big queue :P06:51
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fargiolasok don't worry06:52
fargiolashow could i force -j2 using dh_make/debuild?06:55
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Lamegofargiolas, editing your debian/rules06:55
fargiolasis it a CFLAG?06:56
fargiolaswell i understood how to do it :)06:57
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fargiolasgrrrr another ubuntu crazyness.. wxmaxima requires gnuplot-nox, even if drawing graphs is an optional feature07:00
Lamegofargiolas, make -j207:00
fargiolasso i cannot remove gnuplot and i have to create a gnuplot-nox / gnuplot-x11 couple of packages07:01
pochuAny MOTU to sponsor a merge? :)07:02
pochuToadstool: it's one of your merges :)07:03
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nxvlwho is the manteiner of sudo?07:04
pochugpocentek, slomo_ ^ :)07:04
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pochupersia: good luck with your application!07:12
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Lutinpochu: revelation is bug # ????07:19
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pochuLutin: it's not a bug, but a merge with debian. The files are in http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ :)07:27
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Lutinpochu: asked for a bug because I thought you would have openend a bug 'please merge foo from debian' ;)07:28
pochuLutin: hehe :)07:29
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pochuLutin: it's one of Toadstool's merges, but since he said that he wasn't going to do them, I've done it :)07:30
Lutinpochu: sure07:31
pochuLutin: are you going to sponsor me? :)07:31
Lutinpochu: at least going to have a look :)07:32
pochuLutin: that's enough :-) thanks!07:33
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ranfCan somebody have a look at this: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=513107:41
pochuranf: you should fix this issues: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/powertop-0705130240/lintian07:42
Lutinpochu: seems that you forgot to add 02_shebang.patch to debian/patches/00list07:42
pochuranf: forget it07:42
ranfpochu, done :-)07:42
pochuLutin: it's the same as 20 or 30_python.dpatch, so I've removed it to keep the delta low07:42
Lutinpochu: no, it's still in the diff07:45
pochuLutin: let me see :)07:47
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pochuLutin: you're right :)07:48
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Lutinpochu: :)07:49
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Lutinpochu: btw, why is there a huge intltool thing in the diff ?07:50
pochuLutin: it's in the orig.tar.gz :/07:51
pochuLutin: and I can't remove it, since there's no new upstream version07:51
Lutineek :/07:52
pochuLutin: btw, new diff.gz and .dsc uploaded (removing the dpatch)07:52
Lutinpochu: in the changelog from 0.4.11-0ubuntu1, there is   * debian/control: - Add intltool as a Build-Dep. any clues about not keeping the change ?07:53
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pochuLutin: ouch, I thought it was automatically installed (via other build-deps) when building, but it was intltool-debian07:57
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pochuLutin: re-uploaded :/08:00
fargiolashi i'm looking for some info about ubuntu and debian syncing process, for example if a package is already on unstable there is a chance for it to enter ubuntu more quickly?08:01
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Lutinpochu: have you updated the debdiff ?08:02
pochunot yet08:04
fargiolascould i file a bug requesting a sync from unstable or do i have to wait for it to enter testing?08:04
pochuLutin: uploaded, sorry for the delay :)08:05
Lutinpochu: np08:05
geserfargiolas: it's unimportant if its in testing, unstable or even experimental08:06
fargiolasgeser: but sync is a sort of automatic process or is there a review/voting system?08:07
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geseras non-MOTU you need an ACK from a MOTU08:08
Lutinpochu: one thing I can't get ... if the intltool thing in the diff is caused by orig differences, it should appear in the diff.gz, should it ?08:09
pochuLutin: no, because the .orig.tar.gz was packaged with it08:10
pochuLutin: so it appears in the debdiff, as we have it but debian doesn't08:10
pochuthe .orig.tar.gz's are different08:10
fargiolascan new packages (syncs from debian) enter feisty repositories? or do they need to wait for next release?08:11
Lutinpochu: yep. it appears inr your .diff.gz though08:11
pochufargiolas: they can't, but can enter in gutsy08:11
pochuLutin: wtf :)08:12
fargiolaspochu: ok thanks i'll file a bug request at launchpad asking for a sync08:12
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fargiolasthen i'll ask here for some sponsor :P08:13
Lutinpochu: np08:13
pochuLutin: it isn't in the .orig.tar.gz08:13
Lutinpochu: I thought you told me it was08:14
pochuLutin: I told you it was ;)08:14
pochuLutin: but this is not my best day :)08:14
Lutinpochu: hehe08:14
pochuLutin: let me see if they are needed :)08:14
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pochuLutin: not needed, it builds and works fine!08:26
pochuLutin: new diff, dsc and debdiff uploaded08:27
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Lutinpochu: ok, I'll upload it :)08:36
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pochuLutin: cool, thanks a lot for your help!08:38
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eolo999ScottK, Solved, solved, fixed, fixed!!!08:50
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Lutinpochu: np09:06
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superm1pochu, do you have a few moments to do another revu?09:20
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superm1er i mean Lutin - looks like you were doing the revu not pochu09:20
Lutinsuperm1: sure09:23
superm1Lutin, mythtv-themes-unofficial, http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=511409:23
superm1warning, its a bit of a big .orig.tar.gz09:24
Lutinpochu: actually, I'm not that comfortable with this intltool thing...you'd better ask Nafallo to make sure it's not needed :)09:25
Lutinsuperm1: ok09:25
pochuLutin: sure :)09:26
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pochuLutin: mail sent :)09:34
Lutinpochu: cool :)09:37
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Lutinsuperm1: sorry, I don't have much time to review it right now :/09:43
superm1Lutin,  :(09:43
Lutinsuperm1: will have a look at it in a couple of hours09:43
superm1Lutin, ok, i should be on throughout the day09:44
Lutinsuperm1: ok09:44
superm1just ping with any questions/concerns/comments etc09:44
paranWhat is the easiest way to build packages that depend on each other using pbuilder?09:44
paranIf for example package bar depends on package libfoo, how do I get my libfoo-deb into pbuilder when building bar?09:44
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Lutinparan: depends or build-depends ?09:45
paranLutin: build-depends09:46
superm1paran, you can set up a hook09:46
Lutinparan: just put in the Build-Depends filed in debian/rules09:46
superm1in your pbuilder env09:46
paranLutin: yeah, but the problem is that in my example neither libfoo or bar is in ubuntus repositories09:46
superm1that scans your results directory for packages that were built and adds them to the pbuilder env09:47
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superm1or better yet the pbuilder env's apt database09:47
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superm1paran, http://pastebin.ca/48615909:49
superm1take a look at that09:49
superm1there is my hook, and my pbuilder conf that i use with it09:49
paransuperm1: thanks! reading about hooks in the man-page now.09:49
superm1paran, i ran into the same trouble last year with mythtv and mythplugins, so hopefully this works well for you :)09:50
paransuperm1: your hook will make all packages in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/feisty available too apt in the chroot right?09:52
superm1i set up my pbuilders like this so i can have a dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy pbuilder easily available09:53
superm1and build for all of them with one command09:53
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paransuperm1: if you do lots of builds for various versions then I guess you would go crazy if you didn't do something like that09:59
paransuperm1: recreating the pbuilder all the time would be pretty boring :)09:59
superm1paran, I try to backport as many of the mythtv packages as possible09:59
superm1but originally i was recreating the pbuilder, - waay too much work to do that all the time10:00
eolo999someone can give a look to python-scientific for patch system?10:04
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eolo999it seems it has not one, i'm an unlucky newbie!10:04
eolo999i fixed Bug #113803 and wanted to try packaging.10:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380310:06
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eolo999doko_, I fixed a bug in python-scientific, you are maintaining that package so perhaps can help me10:16
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doko_eolo999: well, it's universe; I maintain it in debian; if you're MOTU just upload the fix10:18
eolo999i'm new in packaging and couldn't see a patch system for py-sci...so hoped you could give me some advice10:19
eolo999i put a diff in launchpad  Bug #11380310:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380310:20
eolo999i'm not MOTU (yet,hope)10:20
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ScottKdoko_: eolo999 has been doing some good work on Python bugs and on my advice applied to join your python* teams so he can get bug reports.  10:28
eolo999Hi Saver of the Universe (Scottk)10:29
doko_ScottK: thanks for the info, will look at my email tomorrow10:29
ScottKeolo999: For a diff that small, don't worry adding a patching system, just edit the source directly.10:29
eolo999ScottK, seems i fixed python-scientific bug10:29
ScottKSounds good.  I just looked at the diff you sent me.10:30
eolo999i built a binary package with debuild and tested...10:30
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ScottKeolo999: Have you looked at the Gutsy package yet to see if the problem applies there too?10:31
eolo999ops...not yet10:31
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ScottKIf the fix applies to the Gutsy version too, then do a debdiff for that first and then once that's uploaded, we'll see about a Feisty update.10:32
eolo999sounds gutsy has the same package10:35
eolo999ScottK, sounds gutsy has the same package10:35
ScottKThen do an update for that package first.10:36
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ScottKMake a package that in debian/changelog has a target distribution of gutsy10:37
ScottKBuild that package in a Gutsy pbuilder to make sure it builds correctly.10:38
ScottKMake a debdiff and attach it to the bug...10:38
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eolo999which version should i write in changelog?10:39
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eolo999and should I mention launchpud bug?10:40
ScottKeolo999: looking10:40
ScottKon the lp bug10:40
ScottKeolo999: Version would be 2.4.11-1build1ubuntu110:41
geserno, 2.4.11-1ubuntu110:42
eolo999ScottK, it's never the same... hoped to find dpatch!10:42
geser-XbuildY gets replaced with -XubuntuY if a Ubuntu change gets added10:43
ScottKgeser: Thanks10:43
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ScottKeolo999: What geser said.10:43
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eolo999Should I change maintainer to MOTU?10:47
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ScottKeolo999: Yes10:48
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ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:50
eolo999ScottK, if I added MOTU in changelog should I change control too?10:53
eolo999What was the old maintainer field? XCBS or what?10:53
ScottKeolo999: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField10:54
eolo999ScottK, seen changelog in pastebin10:57
ScottKeolo999: Looked good to me.10:57
eolo999ok after control, nothing more to change?10:58
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ScottKYou made the changes in the source code, right?10:59
ScottKThen I think that's it.11:03
ScottKBuild the source package11:03
eolo999my memory about building packaged is obscured...11:03
eolo999i mean using pbuilder....11:03
ScottKpbuilder is for the binary package.  You have to build the source package firest11:04
ScottKsource package is debuild -S -uc11:04
eolo999that i already did it and it gives an error for missinbg python-central (but I have it installed)11:05
eolo999and: bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy11:06
ScottKIgnore the bad distribution error.  That's expected11:06
ScottKWhat is the exact error about python-central?11:07
eolo999python-scientific source: missing-build-dependency python-central (>= 0.5)11:08
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ScottKeolo999: Add python-central (>= 0.5) to the build depends and add that you did that to the changelog.11:10
ScottKThe package does call python-central in debian/rules and I don't see it in the build-dep in debian/control.11:11
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eolo999ok no more error11:13
ScottKDo a debdiff and pastebin it so I can look at it.11:14
ScottKeolo999: Do it quickly, my daughter is waking up from her nap.11:17
eolo999i put it in launchpad11:18
ScottKeolo999: I don't see it11:19
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eolo999try again11:19
ScottKGot it now11:19
eolo999same changelog empty line error!!!11:20
ScottKeolo999: It looks generally good, but you need to add a blank line before your name in the changelog11:21
eolo999yes i noticed11:21
eolo999i already have a new debdiff11:21
ScottKeolo999: Also there are some changes in the diff further down in the changelog.  Those shouldn't be there.11:21
ScottKGotta run.11:21
ScottKDaughter's awake11:21
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Lutinsuperm1: around ?11:28
superm1Lutin, yup11:28
Lutinsuperm1: can I find the orig.tar.gz somewhere ?11:28
superm1yes its on the first upload on that page11:28
Lutinsuperm1: ahh yes. thanks11:28
superm1thats the first upload 11:29
Lutinsuperm1: looks good, though I'd say that including at least the preamble for each license in debian/copyright is a good practice11:30
superm1i've seen several packages that do that and dont11:30
superm1i'm not sure which is "more" right?11:30
Lutinactually, practice is not the right word.  anyways11:30
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Lutinsuperm1: I think it's better to include them, but you feel free to poke any other motu around to have some people's opinion about it :)11:32
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Lutinsuperm1: and btw, why do you require debhelper >> 5 rather than >= 5 ?11:34
superm1oh hm.11:35
superm1i had taken that from a package i did before11:35
superm1>> 5 just make sure its a revision later than 5, i guess >= would do the trick though11:35
superm1current version on my feisty box is >> 5, 5.0.42ubuntu111:36
superm1so never had issues with that11:36
Lutingeser: what's the reason for marking bzr-gtk 'Do not merge (or sync)' on DaD ?11:37
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bluekujaLutin: I worked on it for a while11:44
bluekujaLutin: a problem with a python update, I think...or something like that11:44
bluekujaLutin: related to bzr11:44
bluekujaLutin, anyway I didnt add anything on dad11:45
bluekujaLutin, maybe someone tried it out too, 11:45
geserLutin: I compared the Debian package and the Ubuntu one (debdiff) and the Ubuntu one has a much better packaging11:46
Lutingeser: ok, so same as gajim, we maintain a separate package from debian11:47
bluekujageser: you didnt find any problem related to python?11:47
geserLutin: I'd suggest it until the Debian package improves11:50
Lutingeser: ok11:50
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geserbluekuja: I don't really understand11:52
bluekujageser: I worked on bzr-gtk while ago11:52
Lutinbluekuja: this package won't be synced anyways :)11:53
geserbluekuja: on the Debian package or the Ubuntu one?11:53
bluekujageser, after the merge, with a build test on a gutsy pbuilder11:53
bluekujageser: noticed something strange (dont really remember what)11:54
geserI've to redo the debdiff to tell exactly what I disliked11:54
bluekujageser, ok great11:54
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geserbut one thing was: in Debian it's arch: any and in Ubuntu arch:all11:55
bluekujalet me know, if you get something strange in it11:55
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bluekujaI'm leaving...cya all tomorrow11:55
geserand then there was this "mv" in debian/rules to make bzr-gtk find the modules11:55
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bluekujageser: yeah11:56
bluekujageser: maybe something was wrong with it, I'll try to find bzr-gtk folder around11:56
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pochugeser, Lutin: now that you've mentioned gajim, could you review/sponsor bug 114301? :)11:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114301 in gajim "Bug in fr.po translation that breaks invitation" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11430111:59
DktrKranzhow to proceed with bug #112573 ?12:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112573 in galago-daemon "Please merge galago-daemon 0.5.1-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11257312:02
geserpochu: it doesn't need a Maintainer change since it has already an ubuntu address12:02
pochugeser: oh, didn't know :)12:02
pochudpkg-source -b warned about it12:02
pochugeser: do I update it?12:03
Adri2000and Nafallo is the actual maintainer in ubuntu12:03
superm1Lutin, will not having the preamble in debian/copyright and using >> 5 be okay enough for an upload, or should I change these over ?12:03
Lutinsuperm1: I'd prefer if you could change it before. you might want to wait a bit though, as I haven't time to run a build test on it :)12:05
geserpochu: have you talked with nafallo about this upload already?12:08
pochugeser: no, I haven't seen him around lately12:08
pochubtw, it's a one-fix-patch, so there shouldn't be any problem12:08
pochugeser: anyway, he's subscribed to the bug, so he'll see it :)12:09
pochuwe can wait!12:09
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geserI already stepped on someone toes by uploading a fix for a ftbfs (the package had a dedicated maintainer in ubuntu), so I try to avoid to repeat it :)12:10
pochuno worries, I'll talk to him when he connects :)12:11
gesergood night all12:13

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