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HobbseeRiddell: are you aware of the bad merge for networkstatus that you did?12:54
RiddellHobbsee: nope12:55
Riddellwhat's up?12:55
HobbseeRiddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/11213412:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112134 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager: error while loading shared libraries: libnetworkstatus.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] 12:55
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Hobbseebut nto that12:55
Riddellmaybe it'll fix itself with KDE 3.5.7 :)12:56
Hobbseethat's the hope, yes.12:56
Hobbseethat's why i didnt go and fix it, and need another sponsor12:56
HobbseeRiddell: btw, i got proposed for core-dev12:57
HobbseeRiddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-May/000111.html12:57
marseillaiis sealne sometimes around here ?01:03
Hobbseesometimes, yes01:03
marseillaii would like to know if he would accept me to do a patch for this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/4502601:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] 01:03
nixternalHobbsee: I want to get proposed for something, and not lashings from a big point stick either :)01:04
Hobbseedoes it still apply in 1.0.1?01:04
Hobbseenixternal: heh01:04
marseillaiHobbsee: every version01:04
marseillaiand even 2.001:04
Hobbseei'd imagine it'd be good to do after it' sbeen merged01:05
Riddellmarseillai: only during european working hours01:05
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Riddellanyone want to check over marseillai's work on kcontrol-autostart? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=522101:31
marseillaiRiddell: allready uploaded01:31
marseillaiif it was what you mean01:31
Riddellmarseillai: who did that?01:32
marseillaithis one was gpocentek01:32
marseillaiand https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kyamo this one was mr_pouit01:33
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nixternalRiddell: are there any tasks that need to be done asap right now? or are higher priority?01:39
nixternalHobbsee: ^^?01:39
Hobbseenixternal: emailing the kubuntu-devel ML, telling them that i suck, and that the meeting will likely have to be delayed till next week01:40
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nixternalthat is like telling me to tie a steak my to arse and running through the outback01:40
HobbseeRiddell: which reminds me - which arches do you have of 3.5.7, nad which do you still need to get?01:40
Hobbseenixternal: there are meetings on for the rest of the week - the only day with that sort of time is monday night01:41
RiddellHobbsee: amd64 done, i386 compiling away01:41
Hobbseewhich is less than 24 hours01:41
Riddellfor feisty01:41
HobbseeRiddell: right.  and gutsy?01:41
RiddellHobbsee: doing gutsy after feisty this time (otherwise fiesty won't be ready in time for 3.5.7 release)01:41
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Hobbseeyou could always throw them at the buildds, and see if htey build :P01:42
Riddellnixternal: what's the status of your kde 4 packages for feisty?01:42
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nixternalactually gotta boot up the machine01:43
nixternalthere were lib issues with some packages again01:43
nixternalHouston we (I) have a problem01:46
nixternal2 hard drive deaths in 1 week01:47
nixternalsomeone is mad at me01:47
HobbseeRiddell: building the gutsy packages on brandon's machines would work - there are pbuilders there01:47
Hobbseewhich means you can hve them all quicker01:48
Riddelldoes brandon have faster machines than I do?01:48
Hobbseeperhaps - but i dont think it's an either or01:51
Hobbseeif you're building feisty on yours, build gutsy at the same time on his01:52
Hobbseein fact, if you were really wanting to be evil, you could probably build the amd64 and i386 binaries on his at the same time. *g*01:52
Hobbseecome to think of it, i can probably get access to some others to do either of the amd64 or i386 builds01:53
nixternalI can setup a 64bit env01:53
Hobbseewhich should build things 3x as fast, as it's split between 3 machines01:53
nixternaljust need to swap out hard drives and rebuild this setup really quick01:53
Riddellwell gutsy only needs one arch, then it just gets uploaded to the archive01:53
HobbseeRiddell: where are these sources then, and how are you bulding them?01:55
RiddellHobbsee: sources for 3.5.7 are only on ktown01:57
HobbseeRiddell: do you need a login for that?01:57
Riddellwhich I think I can give out access to if you want them01:58
Hobbseethat'd be good01:58
Hobbseeand which order are you building them in?01:58
RiddellI follow this for order http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html01:58
Riddelle-mail me your ssh public key for access01:59
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HobbseeRiddell: it's on LP, i'll grab you teh link01:59
Riddelloh aye01:59
HobbseeRiddell: https://launchpad.net/%7Ehobbsee/+sshkeys01:59
HobbseeRiddell: right, the build access please?    :)02:16
Riddellyou should be able to log into ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org02:18
HobbseeRiddell: seems to think i'ts a mail address02:21
Riddellwhat does?02:22
nixternalssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org02:22
Hobbseeahh, with ssh02:22
nixternalfish://ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org :)02:22
HobbseeRiddell: right.02:23
HobbseeRiddell: and then i have to figure out where htey are...02:23
RiddellI'm away to bed, if you're up for doing arts, kdelibs, kdebase etc until you fall asleep that would be great02:26
Hobbseegrah...but where's stable?02:26
Hobbseewhat's your starting dir?02:26
Hobbseebah.  the one place i didnt try02:27
Riddellcommon patches need updating (svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/trunk/common-patches/)02:27
HobbseeRiddell: do these have debian/ already in them, or what?02:28
Riddellas do various other patches, kdegraphics and kdepim are the worst02:28
RiddellHobbsee: no they don't, you need to apt-get source kdefoo  from gutsy02:28
Riddellmake the .orig02:28
Hobbseeah right02:28
Riddellcopy over the debian dir02:28
Riddelldch for the new version02:28
Hobbseei thought you'd done them for feisty, and wer egoing to use the same tarballs for gutsy02:28
Riddelland work out which patches need updated/removed02:28
RiddellHobbsee: the stuff I've done for feisty is very quick and hacky, it's not a good starting point02:29
HobbseeRiddell: right.  and debian's version?02:29
Hobbseeseeing as i believe they have tarballs already?02:29
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Hobbseeand duplicating work == bad.02:30
RiddellHobbsee: not sure where debian have their .orig tars, you'd need to ask02:30
HobbseeRiddell: i've got it in my backscroll - my question was more "are we taking their work to start with, or are we upgrading just from the ubuntu sources?)02:31
RiddellHobbsee: I've already merged with debian for gutsy, but they will have updated patches that we can use02:32
Hobbseewhere they == ?02:32
Hobbseethey == upstream kde, or they == debian?02:33
Riddellthey == debian02:33
Riddellsvn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/02:33
Hobbseeoh right, so taking the upstream kde, taking the debian packages and updating ours with them, then building02:33
Hobbseerather than just pulling the debian tarballs, which i believe are finished, and adding anything ubuntu specific.02:34
Riddelltake the debian .orig.tar.gz's if you can get them, take our packaging and update the patches from debian02:34
Hobbseewhich seems odd to me - but i may well be missing something02:34
Hobbseeright.  which means i wouldnt need to use ktown, per se.02:35
Riddellremember to ignore debian's 98_buildprep patches of course02:35
Hobbseeany others to be wary of?02:36
RiddellI usually scrap 01_branch patches too02:38
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Riddelland do make -f debian/rules buildprep  until everything applies02:39
Hobbseewhere everything == all the patches?02:40
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=== Hobbsee doesnt know about make -f debian/rules buildprep but will lkely find out
Riddellvarious patches will have been applied upstream for 3.5.7 so they can just go02:40
Riddellbuildprep applies patches then runs autotools02:41
Hobbseeahhh...i see02:41
Riddellthen unapplies patches02:41
nixternaldpkg-scanpackage /var/cache/pbuilder/kde4/result/ > Package02:43
nixternalis that correct?02:43
Riddellapt-ftparchive packages [directory]  > Packages02:45
nixternalor that...thanks02:46
HobbseeRiddell: sounds doable.  well, more to the point, it sounds like a challenge which will eventually be doable.02:47
RiddellHobbsee: groovy, good luck, I'm off to snooze02:47
HobbseeRiddell: have a good sleep02:48
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=== Hobbsee cant find qt-x11-free
jjesseevening :)03:31
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Hobbseehi jjesse :)03:32
jjessehow are you Hobbsee?03:32
Hobbseejjesse: i'm looking into doing the kde 3.5.7 for gutsy03:32
jjesseoh fun03:32
jjessei just got to my hotel for the week03:32
Hobbseebut i cant seem to find qt-x11-free for 3.5.7, which it appears that i'll need as a dep for everything else.03:32
Jucatoooh hi Hobbsee!03:33
Jucatohi jjesse03:33
jjessehiya Jucato03:33
Hobbseehi Jucato!03:33
JucatoHobbsee: can't find qt where?03:33
Hobbseeon ktown03:34
Jucatooh... hehe I don't know ktown (yet) :P03:34
jjessewhat is ktown?03:34
Jucatomaybe it's name as qt-copy?03:34
HobbseeJucato: possibly, but i cant see anything startign with a q, or similarly named03:36
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Hobbseehmmm.  looking at the changelog for qt-x11-free, i'm suspecting it doesnt actually release at the same time kde does03:42
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Jucatospeaking of that...03:43
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Hobbseenice :)03:45
Jucatohm...I presume it's ok to have 2 agenda topics from one person? :D03:46
Hobbseeof course03:46
Hobbseebut the meeting's going to have to delay to next week03:46
Hobbseedont you remember my entire list?03:46
Jucatoer no...03:46
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Hobbseeokay, so it's just the libtool patch that dies.04:21
nixternalbuild-dep on libtool & automake1.10?04:22
nixternalI had that issue with krename04:22
nixternalrelibtoolization at build time is better than the patch04:22
Hobbseeit's a debian patch for it, so it should apply04:26
nixternalya it should04:27
Hobbseei think i killed it.04:43
nixternalI am finally back to building KDE 4 Alpha on amd6404:46
nixternallets see how these new debs rock out04:46
nixternaldamn, I forgot to add 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages' to my script04:47
nixternalahh, libstreamanalyzer.so craps out again04:47
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Hobbseei dont understand this at all.04:53
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nixternaldon't try to build KDE 4 Alpha packages on a Gutsy box...libstreamer is a pain in the arse ;)04:58
nixternaljesus I totally forgot I dist-upgraded that box04:58
nixternalargh, wth is up with sata dvd drives and booting from them05:00
HobbseeOH FUCKING HELL.05:07
Hobbseenixternal: i hate ID10T errors.05:11
nixternalme too Hobbsee, me too05:11
Hobbseeooh, idiot error x2!!!05:12
Hobbseei cant *believe* i did that.05:13
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Hobbseewonder how long arts takes to build...05:15
nixternalactually, not as long as kdelibs05:16
Hobbseeso i might not do this l ocally05:16
Hobbseearts is done.05:40
Hobbseenwo for kdelibs.05:40
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ajmitchintuition & random guesswork05:51
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mhbHobbsee: I'm happy that "you suck", actually :o)06:03
mhbHobbsee: (I mean the date's better for me)06:04
Hobbseeright, yeah06:04
Hobbseeargh.  now i know nothing about xinerama.06:20
Hobbseeand a constant's been redefined.06:22
JucatoHobbsee: is there a new date for the meeting?06:27
HobbseeJucato: next week06:27
Hobbseeapart from that, no06:27
Jucatook. that'll do :)06:27
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Hobbseeahh, here we go06:29
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Hobbseei wish06:32
JucatoI'm kinda getting tired of telling people who encounter "it might break something" error messages to just use apt-get :)06:33
Hobbsee90% done06:50
Hobbseeyay, kdelibs building07:13
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_marseillaishi everybody08:43
_marseillaisgood morning08:43
_marseillaishi Hobbsee  :)08:44
_marseillaisthis night i receive an email with this attachment : i've http://librarian.launchpad.net/7722744/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-ia64.kyamo_0.40%2B0.4a-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and another one for another package! is this my error? i've done something wrong with my package? or is it only a build problem and waiting will solve it?08:45
Hobbsee_marseillais: depends what the error is08:45
_marseillaisit's in the attachment Hobbsee08:46
Hobbseethat looks to be a problem with the buildds08:46
Hobbseeso just wait, and i'tll be given back08:46
_marseillaisa problem to access repo08:46
Hobbseeif it's not done in a few days (maybe a week, a severything's being declined at the moment, then ask an archive admin for a giveback of it)08:46
_marseillaissorry for delay i'm at work08:58
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_marseillaisHobbsee, do you know if there are some "easy task" to do? by easy i mean wich doesn't take too many time and too many skills08:59
HobbseeRiddell: i've got arts, but kdelibs has ftbfs and i'm not sure why yet.  sources and binaries are at hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com08:59
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Hobbsee_marseillais: usually marked as bitesize on LP09:00
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Arbywho is the person to talk to about language support in kubuntu?10:09
Arbyand do they have a minute to look at bug 113145?10:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113145 in language-support-fr "language-support-fr does not install on Feisty Fawn (7.04)." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11314510:10
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nuuhi guys11:31
nuudoes anybody know of a good introduction/tutorial to programming kio slaves ?11:31
Riddellhttp://www.heise.de/ct/english/01/05/242/ ?11:34
Riddellbut it's a #kde-devel question11:34
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Riddellstart by learning programming language X11:43
Riddellread tutorials for Qt programming in X11:44
_marseillaisRiddell, i don't find one enough easy for me11:44
Riddelllook at small examples of programmes in KDE11:44
Riddellstart fixing things11:44
_marseillaisi need something wich take me by hand11:44
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crimsunPersonally, PyQt or PyKDE is a dream.11:49
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_StefanS_Riddell: hey, hows the patch coming ? :)11:57
Riddell_StefanS_: remind me again which patch that is?11:58
_StefanS_Riddell: its the patch that takes care of the nonworking restart/reboot, and localization issues in the logout11:58
_StefanS_Riddell: sent on 2007-05-07 00:0312:00
Riddell_StefanS_: I've made a note to include it when I do the 3.5.7 packages for gutsy12:02
_StefanS_Riddell: oh.. I think those people on the bug reports want it in feisty12:02
_StefanS_Riddell: thats not up to me ofcourse, but shouldn't bugfixes go with the version it was reported in ?12:03
kwwiiRiddell: do you know where there is a vertical kubuntu logo?12:04
_StefanS_kwwii: on the kmenu ?12:04
Riddellkwwii: nope, you're the logo maker :)12:05
kwwii_StefanS_: actually, that is a good idea12:05
_StefanS_kwwii: well until I saw its not there anymore :)12:05
_StefanS_kwwii: probably saw it in edgy12:05
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kwwii_StefanS_: it should also be there in feisty12:06
kwwiiunless someone changed something and didn't mention it12:06
_StefanS_kwwii: I just have some gears and bluish background12:06
kwwii_StefanS_: right, that is the one from edgy12:06
kwwiidapper had a normal logo turned 9012:07
kwwiiRiddell: do you want to answer Gerrys mail or should I?12:08
Riddellkwwii: yes12:08
Riddellkwwii: about akademy marketing contact?12:09
kwwiiRiddell: yes12:09
kwwiiI would suggest talking to sebas, I guess12:09
RiddellI'm not sure what he means actually12:10
RiddellI'll answer it12:10
kwwiiwell, he needs to talk to someone who knows where/how to get the right information about the stuff from last year as well as the requirements, etc. for this year12:11
kwwiiremember the problems we had last year with the border, etc.? that is just one thing that can go wrong in the planning12:13
Riddellzander did it last year12:14
Riddellthis year it's not clear who's doing it12:14
kwwiiright, got it...seems good enough for a start12:14
kwwiihehe, who is going to scribus hell?12:15
_StefanS_Riddell: so, should write on the bugreports that it will be fixed in gutsy only ?12:15
_StefanS_(should I write)12:15
Riddell_StefanS_: yes, it won't pass the strict requirements for a SRU12:15
_StefanS_Riddell: ok12:16
_StefanS_Riddell: where are those specs anyways+12:16
Riddellwhich specs?  SRU?12:16
_StefanS_so that I know that next time12:16
_StefanS_well I see your point12:17
_StefanS_hotkeys not being correct on localized kubuntus is not very critical hehe12:17
_StefanS_btw, there will be a knetworkmanager 0.2 soon (from the knm mailinglist)12:17
Riddellooh, cool12:18
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_StefanS_Riddell: yes, and with luck my LEAP patch will make it too, so that will all result in people being able to easier connect to corporate wlan that has Cisco equipment in them12:22
_StefanS_Riddell: phase2 eap seems to make it too12:22
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\shRiddell, could you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/86824 if we can apply it to kdelibs-data ?02:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86824 in wine "wine installed apps menus problems" [Undecided,Confirmed] 02:04
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Riddell\sh: so long as it doesn't cause other problems02:07
\shRiddell, we can revert the entry if there are pitfalls ...02:09
Riddell\sh: I've made a note to include it with 3.5.7 in gutsy02:11
\shRiddell, thx02:11
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HobbseeRiddell: how goes it?02:38
Hobbsee_StefanS_: your patch - which package was it against?02:40
_StefanS_Hobbsee: kdebase(ksmserver)02:40
Hobbseeah right02:40
RiddellHobbsee: ca va02:41
HobbseeRiddell: in english?02:41
Jucatoheh funny I asked the same question from _StefanS_ a few days ago :)02:41
RiddellHobbsee: it goes02:41
HobbseeRiddell: ahhh.02:41
HobbseeRiddell: did you want to hear the status on the kde packages?02:41
RiddellHobbsee: you got arts done but you got stuck on kdelibs?02:43
HobbseeRiddell: yeah, fails to build, and i cant actually see why, in amongst all the warnings02:44
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_StefanS_Hobbsee: is it something I can help you with?02:46
Hobbsee_StefanS_: dunno.02:46
_StefanS_Hobbsee: heh.... okay. :)02:46
Hobbsee_StefanS_: sources are at hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/kdelibs, iirc02:47
Jucato_StefanS_: btw, iirc, someone from #kde was wondering if the logout patch is available outside of kubuntu (like in kde-apps.org)02:47
_StefanS_Jucato: ah thats nice :) - someone might actually appreciate it hehe02:47
Jucato_StefanS_: some appreciate it. some hate it. that's life :)02:48
_StefanS_Jucato: guess so :) - well it isnt available at the moment, but I could probably put it online there02:48
_StefanS_Jucato: how did they expect it to be packaged?02:48
Jucato_StefanS_: dunno really. he/she was just wondering. usually patches are just sumbitted there as patches... :)02:49
_StefanS_Jucato: well I can put it there, later on probably. Then people can take it where they want to :)02:49
Jucatoyep. :)02:50
Jucatoof course, nice screenshots would be extra sweet :)02:50
_StefanS_Jucato: I know. Screenshots work :D02:51
_StefanS_Jucato: btw, kdm is usually localized, isn't it?02:51
JucatoI think so02:51
HobbseeRiddell: if you could look at / help me out with kdelibs at some point, i'd appreciate it03:03
_StefanS_Hobbsee: got a log, I can try to help you03:06
Hobbsee_StefanS_: i dont :(03:06
Hobbsee_StefanS_: i didnt pipe it out of the pbuilder, as i didnt think of it03:06
_StefanS_Hobbsee: oh, well I dont have pbuilder set up anyways so I wont be able to help03:06
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Hobbseeor a chroot03:06
_marseillaisRiddell, when you'll release kde3.5.7 i'll make a debdiff including kopete_emoticon_manager and send it for a revu for gutsy. I'll of course test it before but do you want me to send it to you for your kubuntu repo ?03:08
Hobbsee_marseillais: please CC me on any mail about it.  and file a bug about kdenetwork with the debdiff03:09
Hobbsee(because i tend to touch kdenetwork - or used to)03:10
_marseillaisHobbsee, no i'll not03:10
Hobbseeokay then....03:10
_marseillaisbecause i don't have your email Hobbsee ! :)03:10
Hobbsee_marseillais: it's on launchpad.  it's also fairly obvious03:11
Hobbseehobbsee@ubuntu.com / hobbsee@kubuntu.org03:11
_marseillaisi beg you pardon .... i'm trying to be funny because my teeth hurts me a lot...03:11
_marseillaisoki easy i'll remember03:11
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_StefanS_does it hurt more now ? :D03:11
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_marseillais_StefanS_, too late03:12
_marseillaismy doctor removes two of my wisdom teeth on thursday03:13
_StefanS__marseillais: the ones in the lower jaw hurts most to get removed, I remember :)03:13
_StefanS_Hobbsee: thats not obvious about your email. Your handle has an uppercase H and you email dont.03:15
Hobbsee_StefanS_: i dont believe it's case sensitive03:15
_StefanS_Hobbsee: its not ;)03:15
_StefanS_Hobbsee: just kidding03:15
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Hobbsee_marseillais: doesnt exist yet for gutsy, for the most part03:20
_marseillaisHobbsee, yes but feisty one is for the moment enough03:20
_marseillaislike that i'll be able to see if the patch apply better on kde3.5.7 than 3.5.603:20
_marseillaisand perhaps even test it03:21
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mhbhi all03:45
bleephi mhb03:45
mhbeven bleeps and people having problems with teeth03:45
bleepmanchicken|away: ping?03:46
bleep#4  0xb7a2c7f0 in nanosleep () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.603:46
bleep#5  0xb7a2c63f in sleep () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.603:46
bleep#6  0xb7828bd9 in KCrash::startDrKonqi (argv=0xbf88221c, argc=17)03:46
bleep    at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.6/./kdecore/kcrash.cpp:31203:46
bleep#7  0xb783f52e in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler (sig=11)03:46
bleep    at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.6/./kdecore/kcrash.cpp:22903:46
bleepwas the backtrace of the system settings crash03:46
mhbShiny: don't people get kicked for changing their nicks often? :o)03:48
Shinymhb: depends on the mood of the ops03:48
mhbShiny: and don't forget those who |away themselves03:48
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mhbShiny: sorry for having fun, I saw you (as bleep) poke manchicken|away and I couldn't resist :o)03:49
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_marseillaisdoes anyone allready work on that : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kiosktool/+bug/6306 ??03:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 6306 in kiosktool "Kiosk admin tool tries to login with root account " [Medium,Confirmed] 03:54
Riddellmarseillais: it's a spec https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKiosktool03:55
Riddell_marseillais: feel free to take it on03:55
Riddellbut let me know so I can assign it appropriately03:55
_marseillaisRiddell, i mostly feel free to look at it. absolutly not sure i can do anything!03:56
_marseillaisbut i really thing it would be good to have it in kubuntu03:56
_marseillaisso i'll take a look03:56
_marseillaiswhy we can't see kubuntu gutsy spec for the moment ?03:57
Riddell_marseillais: what do you mean?03:57
_marseillaisis there anywhere a list of spec like this one : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKiosktool ?03:58
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs is the gutsy specs but I think I need to target the kubuntu ones for gutsy first03:59
Riddellthat's the ones we did at sevilla04:00
_marseillaisdoes the job for kiosktool need big C++, Qt, Linux skills and to be start right now? if it is the case i don't think i can do it. if it's not i'll take a look after the two packaging things i want to do04:00
Riddell_marseillais: it needs c++ and qt skills yes04:01
_StefanS_Riddell: btw, do you know which intel device the ubuntu mobile is aimed at?04:02
_StefanS_Riddell: looks very interesting04:02
Riddell_StefanS_: all new ones04:02
_StefanS_Riddell: UMPC things?04:02
RiddellI don't know what that is04:03
_StefanS_mmm ok04:03
Riddell/root/3.5.7/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdecore/netwm.cpp:337: error: too many initializers for 'const char* const [78] '04:04
Riddell/root/3.5.7/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdecore/netwm.cpp:433: error: too many initializers for 'Atom* [78] '04:04
ShinyRiddell: yummy.04:04
ShinyRiddell: that was with my packages, no?04:04
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Riddellwith hobbsee's04:05
ShinyRiddell: ohhhhh....04:05
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Hobbseei'd forgotten about that04:05
Riddellwhat is it?04:05
Hobbseeit's the xinerama patch, which got changed04:05
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manchickenMornin' folks.04:07
ScottKMorning manchicken04:09
manchickenI noticed that someone pinged me and then pasted a stack trace.  That was interesting.04:09
Hobbseemanchicken: yes04:10
manchickenBecause I know exactly what program and issue that's from :)04:11
Hobbseemanchicken: read the last line04:11
Hobbseemanchicken: system settings crash04:11
Hobbseethat we were discussing a few days ago04:11
manchickenIs there a bug associate with that?04:12
Hobbseeno idea04:12
manchickenThat stack trace tells me nothing.04:12
Hobbseeoh still.  oh well04:12
manchickenfor stuff like that, we really need bug posts.04:13
manchickenTimezones are hard enough to work around without this massive amount of data loss.04:13
manchickenI don't even have steps to replicate the issue.04:13
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Hobbsee"start system settings in gutsy.  watch04:14
rbrunhuberis kde 3.5.7 already in gutsy or proposed for testing?04:17
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Riddellit's not in04:18
Hobbseerbrunhuber: arts is done, kdelibs is currently compiling04:18
HobbseeRiddell: brandon's machine is fast, btw04:18
Riddellbut testers needed for  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/ feisty main#04:18
HobbseeRiddell: how long didit take you to compile arts last time?04:18
rbrunhuberis kde 3.5.7 still compatible to gutsy?04:19
Riddellrbrunhuber: what does that mean?04:19
rbrunhuberRiddell : I mean if the debs are compatible to gutsy. Because the url has feisty as release.04:20
Hobbsee[00:18]  <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: arts is done, kdelibs is currently compiling04:21
Hobbseerbrunhuber: so apart from that, no.04:21
Riddellrbrunhuber: no, they're for feisty04:21
nixternalRiddell: is 357 for feisty 100% complete?04:23
Riddellnixternal: yes04:24
nixternalroger, upgrading now04:24
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rbrunhuberRiddell : Will 3.5.7 be uploaded to gutsy or is gutsy pointing to kde 4.0?04:25
Hobbseerbrunhuber: it will be uploaded to gutsy, yes04:25
rbrunhuberHobbsee : Is there a preliminary changelog already?04:27
Hobbseeof upstream changelog, or of kubuntu changelog?04:28
Hobbseeno, and somewhat04:28
Hobbseebut the kubuntu changelog is fairly useless if you want to see the changes in 3.5.704:28
rbrunhuberHobbsee : upstream04:29
Hobbseethen no, not to my knowledge04:29
rbrunhuberhobbsee: thanx04:31
rbrunhuberHobbsee : Seems there are no changes at all :-) http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_6to3_5_7.php04:33
Hobbseeheh, yes :)04:33
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Riddellhappy ubuntu people http://jriddell.org/photos/2007-05-sevilla-paul-jonathan-sarah.jpg05:15
Riddellnixternal: how did the upgrade go?05:15
nixternalit destoryed everything05:16
nixternalseems good so far05:16
nixternalI have it on my x86 and amd64 box running happily so far05:16
nixternalhaha, nice pic!05:17
nixternalyou people are way to white!05:17
nixternalI know there is sun in Europe, time to find it..although I shouldn't talk...the sun is no where near my little dungeon here05:17
rbrunhuberis packages.ubuntu.com down=05:19
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JucatoTm_T: that big, (usuall) yellowish orb that hangs around in the sky at certain hours of the day... I rarely see it though... but I can't hide from its effects :(05:21
Tm_TRiddell: oh nice pic, and some familiar faces :)05:21
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nixternalPaul Sladen05:22
Tm_TPaul is cool (:05:22
rbrunhuberCan anyone reach packages.ubuntu.com?05:23
Tm_TRiddell: was Pauls bicycle in one piece in Sevilla?05:23
Riddellit seems to fall apart quite frequently05:24
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Tm_TI wonder why...05:24
nixternalRiddell: in the KDE 4 Alpha changelogs, I am putting in the topline "KDE 4 Alpha Release" and the following lines detail the debian/control: changes. Is that cool?05:27
Jucatohm... 3.5.7 tomorrow..05:28
Riddellnixternal: very05:28
RiddellJucato: testers needed for feisty05:28
rbrunhuberRiddell: Who is responsible for http://packages.ubuntu.com. It is not reachable (at least from Germany). Is this on puporse?05:28
nixternalrbrunhuber: it wasn't reachable for me yesterday either05:28
nixternalstill can't connect to it05:29
Riddellrbrunhuber: it's not run by canonical, it's just someone who was annoyed at not having a packages. service for ubuntu05:29
Jucatoer... dang... should have known this today... I'll be completely without net for the next few hours...05:29
rbrunhuberRiddell : I have to agree with him/her. It is very annoying to have no packages service for ubuntu :-)05:30
nixternalwget -nd -r -l1 --no-parent -A.deb -A.bz2 is your friend!05:30
nixternalthere is DaD floating around the MOTU list05:30
Jucatoiirc packages.ubuntu.com is not maintained by canonical? (forgot where I heard it)05:30
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nixternalJucato: Riddell just said it a couple of lines up ;p05:33
JucatoI'm still getting used to this LCD goodness :)05:33
Jucatomy eyes are still adjusting05:33
nixternalgrr..I need to replace my CRT..and I am guessing I will eventually go the LCD route05:34
rbrunhuberseems to be maintained by a frank lichtenheld05:34
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Tonio__kwwii: ping ?05:48
kwwiiTonio__: hey man, wassup?05:49
Tonio__little help required to change the usplash theme for the french parliament...05:49
Tonio__kwwii: I looked at the image, changed the palette, but I don't understand something05:49
Tonio__kwwii: in the .c file, there is only one background and one foreground variable05:50
Tonio__kwwii: how is the layer done ?05:50
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Tonio__kwwii: s/layer/gradiant05:51
kwwiiTonio__: are you talking about the color definitions?05:51
Tonio__kwwii: yep, for the progress bar05:51
kwwiiTonio__: or are you talking about the progress bar05:51
kwwiithe progress bar are pics as well05:51
Tonio__hu ?05:51
kwwiithere is a foreground and background pic05:52
kwwiiwhich have to use the exact same palette as the other pics05:52
Tonio__hum....... is that the way we do it ?05:52
Tonio__kwwii: so we use the throbber files ?05:52
Tonio__I don't understand, we have the same files in the package I've done, but the colors are completly f*cked up05:53
Tonio__throbber_fore.png and throbber_back.pngn that's it right ?05:53
kwwiiyes, those are the right pics05:53
kwwiithe palette has to be right as well (for all the pics)05:54
Tonio__kwwii: palette of the standard image or the throbber files ?05:54
kwwiithere can only be one 256 color palette for *all* pics05:54
kwwiithe normal image, as well as the throbber files all need the same defined palette05:55
Tonio__kwwii: ahhhhhhhhhh, that explains then05:55
Tonio__kwwii: why something that damn complicated ?05:56
kwwiiit is just silly pictures!05:56
Tonio__kwwii: okay I'll try to finish this then.... thanks for the help, seya on wednesday when I'll become a human beeing again.......05:56
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kwwiilet me know if you need any help05:57
Tonio__so the first person that tells me french only work 35 hours will get my foot in the ass... ;)05:57
Tonio__kwwii: thanks for proposing, I'll try to get it done by myself, but if I really can't do it, I'll send you an email :)05:57
kwwiicool :-)05:58
Tonio__Riddell: I'll prepare a kdebase upload, we have interesting things to test, as the usb key unmount thing fdoving as done, works lie a charm here05:59
RiddellTonio__: don't, we're packaging 3.5.705:59
Tonio__Riddell: already ?05:59
Tonio__Riddell: nice, since that requires an svn patch :)05:59
Tonio__Riddell: I'll wait for your uploads to work on that then06:00
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RiddellTonio__: patch for what?06:01
Tonio__Riddell: for usplash on shutdown06:01
Tonio__Riddell: as you know that fails very often06:01
Tonio__Riddell: if we don't launch the usplash by patching kdm, but within the init.d/kdm, it works much better06:02
Tonio__Riddell: tried on 10 pcs, works like a charm06:02
Tonio__Riddell: is there a reason we don't do it that way ?06:02
Riddellno special reason06:04
paranRiddell: I noticed that there already is a 3.5.7-tag in kde-svn, does that mean that it is about to be released very soon?06:05
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JucatoMay 2206:05
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nixternalfinally, kde4 chugs along building06:08
nixternal1 down, 4308438 million more to go06:08
LureRiddell: re 3.5.7> networkstatus package is lacking some files -> knetworkmanager cannot be started06:08
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Tonio__Riddell: then we should eventually test this way, since it works much better06:10
Tonio__Riddell: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/8372706:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 83727 in kdebase "If I stop KDM it hangs on usplash (Kubuntu Edgy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 06:10
Tonio__Lure: I'll work on knm svn within a week06:10
Tonio__Lure: shouldn't we eventually ask timo to release a tarball ?06:11
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LureTonio_: good, current problem is with kde 3.5.7 packages Riddell provided06:13
LureTonio_: it seems he has dropped your changes for networkstatus06:13
Tonio_Lure: okay06:13
RiddellI did drop the networkstatus patch06:14
Riddellspose I should look at making it apply06:14
Tonio_hum, eventually yes ;)06:14
LureRiddell: knm now fails with: "knetworkmanager: error while loading shared libraries: libnetworkstatus.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"06:14
Tonio_Lure: as I said, I'm not there till wednesday, we will deliver the distro for the fr parliament, and then I may receover a normal life...06:15
LureTonio_: knm 0.2 should be released rsn, therefore you should probably wait for it06:15
Tonio_Lure: lots of things to do btw, as I'd like to fix the usplash on shutdown thing, provide kaffeine as embeded player and get the latest knm in06:15
Tonio_Lure: that was the plan yes, just wait for the packages to be there06:15
LureTonio_: nice, I still need to kick-off my gutsy environment06:16
Tonio_Lure: virtualbox is your friend06:16
LureTonio_: no vm extensions on my Pentium M :-(06:17
LureTonio_: will set-up Vmware, but I need real laptop test too (I want to work on kde power usage for gutsy)06:17
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Tonio_Lure: vm extensions are required with virtualbox ?06:21
Tonio_Lure: I'm not talking about kvm06:21
LureTonio_: ok, I though it is kvm-based06:21
Tonio_Lure: talking about the guidance power manager, are you aware of the dbus restart bug ?06:21
Tonio_Lure: nope it isn't06:21
LureTonio_: restart issue?06:22
Tonio_Lure: just restart dbus and you'll see :)06:22
LureTonio_: I can imagine.... ;-)06:22
Tonio_gpm doesn't work anymore and needs to be restarted :)06:22
Tonio_Lure: shouldn't it reconnect automatically ?06:22
LureTonio_: no code there to reconnect to dbus...06:22
LureTonio_: would be nice... something to consider when porting to qt4 (as sebas is planning)06:22
Tonio_Lure: ah... :)06:23
Tonio_Lure: I think sebas is concerned and is having a look06:23
Tonio_okay let's finish the work........ then take 2 days of entire sleep, and come back in the kubuntu crew06:23
Tonio_have a nice day all06:23
Tonio_kwwii: thanks again for the help06:23
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Riddellnixternal: about?07:55
nixternalyes sir07:59
Riddellnixternal: does kdesu work for you in 3.5.7?07:59
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nixternalit does, but it is loaded with errors, like I was using sudo08:00
Riddellentirely broken for me08:00
Riddellwonder why08:00
nixternallet me test the 64 setup08:00
nixternalworks on both x86 and amd64 here08:01
nixternalkio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_features.desktop08:01
nixternalkio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_notes.desktop08:01
nixternalkdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list08:01
nixternalwhy basket*.desktop08:02
tomaRiddell: sorry i can not be at the meeting of this wednesday.08:03
Riddellno idea08:03
Riddelltoma: we have a meeting this wednesday?08:03
nixternalI thought it got moved again08:03
tomaits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings08:03
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marseillai_the kopete_emoticon_patch apply well on 3.5.708:06
Riddelltoma: I'm not sure if hobbsee has a set date for it yet08:12
Riddelltoma: the current plan is to rotate half the kubuntu council, if that makes sense to you08:13
Riddellnixternal: does this read OK?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php08:13
tomaRiddell: seems wise to review the current members, yes.08:13
marseillai_Riddell: i've make a patch for kopete in kde 3.5.7 with this apps : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=54968 do you want me to send you the debdiff ?08:14
sebasRiddell: Version number say 3.5.6 twice08:15
sebasIn title and first line08:15
Riddellsebas: fixed08:15
tomaRiddell: after this week I'm less available for a few weeks, so I had hoped that the meeting was this week (or rather last week)08:15
Riddellmarseillai_: sure08:15
Riddellopinions on http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_akademy_banner_1.png vs http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_akademy_banner.png ?08:16
marseillai_Riddell: i send it to you now but i'm building it in my pbuilder to check if it works first08:16
marseillai_i'll say you if it works but i've an old computer it will takes time08:16
nixternalRiddell: looks good08:17
nixternalI didn't know they didn't work with network-manager though08:17
yuriyso i installed edubuntu yesterday, want to get started on ltsp manager. it's in bzr?08:18
yuriyand what's the devel channel for edubuntu/ltsp?08:19
Riddell#edubuntu ?08:19
nixternalthat be the channel :)08:19
Riddellnixternal: I'm looking to fix that08:19
yuriyi think that's for support, but i guess i could ask in there or *shock* look it up08:19
Riddellyuriy: a KDE version of thin-client-manager-gnome is more important than ltsp-manager I think08:20
Riddell(for KDE read qt 4)08:20
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paranRiddell: there are not kdevelop in that repository. also you probably mean kdevelop 3.4.108:22
yuriyRiddell: that's not the same thing? i was thinking of thin-client-manager, what's ltsp-manager then?08:22
Riddellparan: oh aye, good point08:22
Riddellyuriy: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdubuntuKDE08:23
paranRiddell: also I wouldnt write the KDevelop-stuff as an "Update:" as it will be in the announcement from the beginning08:23
Riddell"Thin client manager is an application run on the teacher's server to control the LTSP clients."08:23
Riddell"ltsp-manager is an application to change settings for the LTSP setup. "08:23
Riddellltsp-manager just fiddles config files, thin client manager lets you have real fun with running sessions08:24
marseillai_Riddell: mail send08:24
Riddellparan: I've removed it08:24
\shRiddell, make it "Free + Easy == Perfect" ,-)08:24
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yuriyRiddell: ah, thanks. yeah, i was thinking of the thin client manager08:25
\shRiddell, no, not again ;)08:25
paranRiddell: ah :)08:25
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\shbut if someone has some spare chairs, and is living near karlsruhe, please come to my new place, I'm in need of a chair ;)08:26
Riddellyuriy: I don't know where the code is https://code.launchpad.net/student-control-panel/ seems to be old08:27
\shyuriy, ask ogra about the sourcecode08:27
Riddellyuriy: ah, https://code.launchpad.net/tcm08:27
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tomaRiddell: do you want to keep a kde position and if so, are there candidates?09:01
alleeeh, no tonio09:02
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nixternalRiddell: kubuntu_akademy_banner.png is the winner09:05
yuriyoops sorry09:08
fdovingallee: my latitude won't wake up after suspend-to-ram, any tips?09:09
fdovingthat's feisty.09:09
fdovingit used to work when i first got it. not sure what i changed to break it.09:09
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alleefdoving: afair someone mentioned unloading the   cdrom driver  helps.  But don't remember if it was s-t-r or s-t-d09:10
fdovingallee: i have tried with and without the changes to /etc/default/acpi-support changes mentioned at the wiki.09:10
fdovingcdrom driver.09:10
alleefdoving: luka may know more.  My D600 is now running gutsy  ...09:11
fdovingallee: ok. does ipw3945 work for you with the .22 kernel ?09:11
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fdoving.. and the mouse-dot-thing in the middle of the keyboard doesn't work in that kernel. (just fetched the gutsy kernel on feisty)09:12
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fdoving.. i'll try to suspend without htat cdrom driver loaded.. if i disappear it failed and i'm rebooting.09:13
Riddellnixternal: I'd have to agree09:14
nixternalthe KDE + Ubuntu one just looks out of place...distracts my attention for the coolness of the banner09:15
marseillai_more than an hour to build kdenetwork! is it normal?09:16
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alleefdoving: the mouse stick and ipw3495 of the D420 always worked here with plain feisty stuff09:19
fdovingallee: yes, on feisty, but on gutsY?09:23
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alleefdoving: the D420 devlivered to my users.  I doubt they are happy when I upgrade to gutsy.  So no idea.  On D600 knetworkmanger does not even start currently due to missing  libnetworkstatus.so.009:33
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nixternalcp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/': No such file or directory09:48
nixternaldh_install: command returned error code 25609:48
nixternalmake: *** [binary-install/kde4games]  Error 109:48
nixternalRiddell: any clue ^^09:49
Riddellnixternal: remove it from the .install file09:49
Riddellrun dh_install --list-missing and edit .install files until all fixed09:49
Riddelldebuild -nc to finish building without cleaning09:49
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marseillai_Riddell: i've test and the debdiff for kdenetwork works10:07
Riddellmarseillai_: and this allows you to change your smiley theme?10:08
marseillai_i'm currently installing10:09
marseillai_forget it10:12
marseillai_it makes kopete crash10:12
fdovingallee: do you use dri? after thinking hard about what i've changed, i think i've figured out i enabled DRI.10:34
alleefdoving: the D420 use i810, my D600 the free radeon driver.  With both DRI is working.10:35
fdovingallee: dri and suspend?10:36
fdovingi use the magic new intel driver andr xrandr 1.2, might make problems.10:36
alleefdoving: D600 both.  D420 out of the box only one of s-t-d and s-t-r.  Don't remember which10:37
alleefdoving: D420 use i810 + 915resolution10:37
fdovinghmm.. could it be the kvm modules, maybe?10:40
manchickenWuddup allee?10:45
fdovingallee: those evil kvm modules.10:47
alleemanchicken: fixing upstream handling of libs and trying to figure out what do/not work in kdebluetooth-dbus-integration10:49
alleefdoving: oh :)10:49
alleemanchicken: frightning!  Tweaking auto* magic is 1@#@$@#10:50
manchickenThere's an am2cmake program in kdesdk10:50
manchickencmake seems to do better.10:50
fdovingcmake is very nice.10:51
manchickenIt's a little trickier to get used to once you're used to am... but I like it.10:51
alleemanchicken: for one next upstream versions cmake is on TODO.  Doing auto* -> cmake it for released version looks like overkill10:52
manchickenI don't know, the am2cmake seems pretty rock solid.10:52
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toma_(it only does the basic stuff, i've never used am2cmake and was done with it.)11:15
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nixternal/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsyndication    <= error when building kde4pim 3.90.111:48
nixternalRiddell: ^^11:48
Riddellwaa, linker problems11:49
Riddelldunno, is libsyndication.so there?11:52
Riddellprobably the issue then :)11:53
nixternaljust searched for it and found nothing11:53
Riddellsearched for libsyndication.so*11:54

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