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persiacrimsun: Does bug 74906 still need sponsorship?02:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 74906 in psycopg "python-psycopg: Missing dependencies? (libc6, libpq4)" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7490602:43
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crimsunit may or may not need ubuntu-sru subscribed02:45
crimsunour policy does not make it explicit, unfortunately02:45
persiacrimsun: What do you think is the right way to handle it?02:45
crimsunI think subscribing ubuntu-sru is appropriate, but I want it formalized before I apply it 02:46
persiacrimsun: Is there a proposal under consideration?02:46
crimsunnot AFAIK02:46
persiacrimsun: Do you have time to write one up for Friday?  If not, please dump your basic thoughts somewhere, and I'll formalise it.02:47
crimsunI can try, but I can't promise.  I'm travelling through July 5, and then I'll be away beginning July 9.02:47
persiacrimsun: Ah.  In that case, if you find a couple free minutes in the next couple days, please drop me a short email describing the scope, and I'll put something together.02:48
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crimsunmy goodness, I really need to rename this cruft02:50
crimsuntoo much *parser and *ui confusion02:50
SlimGLintian gives me this warning: can't find numbered character 248, 248 is the character "", so what's the problem? the number is correct too afaik02:51
SlimGIts a norwegian latin1 encoded manpage02:52
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SlimGpersia: how do I insert the 241 char instead of the 248 char?02:57
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persiaSlimG: My solution is usually to edit in a UTF-8 environment and either use a keymap that can type the character I want or something like the GNOME character picker applet.02:59
SlimGwould it work if I created the manpage in utf8 and use a utf8-2-latin1 tool (if I can find one)?03:01
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persiaSlimG: Why do you need a latin1 manpage?03:02
SlimGmanpages within /usr/share/man/no is forced to be read as latin103:03
persiaSlimG: In that case, you probably don't want UTF8 (what happened to UTF8ByDefault?), and 241 may not be correct.03:04
persiaSlimG: Separately, use iconv to convert between encodings.03:06
SlimGaccording to http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/iso8859-1.html the "" character is number 248, I don't really understand why lintian complains about it beeing unable to find the numbered character 24803:08
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SlimGI'll google around to see if there's others with the same issue03:10
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SlimGpersia: Might it have something to do with me using nn_NO.UTF-8 locale when running lintian?03:21
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persiaSlimG: Um.  Probably.  I'm not sure why the default nn_NO locale is UTF8, and there is the restriction that "manpages within /usr/share/man/no is forced to be read as latin1".  This seems like a policy bug to me.03:26
SlimGI'm pretty sure the main problem is the outdated "forced latin1 for norwegian manpages"03:28
persiaSlimG: Where is that policy stated?03:28
SlimGmandb I think someone mentioned03:28
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SlimGI believe I've found the problem that triggers Lintians warning, Lintian get's confused if the manpage encoding and locale encoding isn't the same03:30
persiaSlimG: Ah.  That's probably the bug then.  As far as I can tell, manpages are transcoded to current locale when viewed (or at least by man: other tools may be buggy)03:31
SlimGSo in theory, if I were to run the Lintian check on this manpage at a computer with latin1 locale it would probably not mention any warning03:32
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btm_Is there a deb compatible version of ar kicking around out there?03:33
Hobbseebtm_: it's not in ubuntu/debian.  possibly03:33
SlimGpersia: thanks for your help, I really aprechiate it03:33
persiaSlimG: Thanks for tracking down the source issue.  Please file a bug against lintian about this.03:34
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btm_Hobbsee:  It's my understanding that the bsd versions don't generate the filename/ that the included gnu version does, but oddly enough I don't see a bsd compatible binary on debian/ubuntu.03:35
persiabtm_: Take a look at binutils03:36
persiaHobbsee: We need ar - it's the basis of .deb :)03:37
SlimGpersia: I'll see if I can find the lintian bug-tracker and file a bug03:37
Hobbseeoh, right03:38
persiaSlimG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lintian/ is a good place to start, and sending something to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=lintian might also be appropriate (but search those bugs first).03:38
btm_persia: Yes, binutils has ar, but it's GNU ar which is not 100% deb compatible.03:39
persiabtm_: Ah.  Last time I actually used ar was a few years ago, and it was enough to address my severely broken bootstrap issues then, but I believe you if you say that it's not 100% compatible.03:39
btm_persia: if you head -2 a deb, you'll see that debian-binary does not have a slash after it. but if you 'ar r test.r somerandomfile ; head -2 test.ar' you'll see that somerandomfile has a slash after it.03:40
SlimGpersia: lintian has no open bugs in launchpad... not bad :)03:40
btm_which makes apt-extracttemplates and others unhappy.03:40
StevenKI don't think Linda does, either.03:41
StevenKActually, it does.03:42
StevenKAnd I think it's fixed in the version I should really get around to uploading.03:42
persiabtm_: Hmm..  That's probably a bug then.  Given that we ship GNU ar by default, we probably want GNU ar style .debs, but it's the sort of bug is exremely unlikely to be fixed in Ubuntu - it needs a Debian solution, if any.03:43
btm_persia: I'll ask around debian, thanks.03:47
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aanderseRAOF: thank you for your ubuntuforums response, but i would also like to know if there any motu effort to get precompiled kqemu kernel modules underway?04:01
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Hobbseehiya spam04:03
persiaHobbsee: I suggest it's still safe to ignore the kernel for a little while yet :)04:03
Hobbseeoh good04:03
RAOFYou could *possibly* file a wishlist bug against linux-ubuntu-modules, asking for the kqemu module to be added, but I really don't know what the response would be04:03
Hobbseethen again, i touched casper a week ago...04:03
aandersehmmm, because of lack of interest?04:04
persiaaanderse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelPatches should give you some understanding of the response04:05
aandersethanks, i'll read up on that04:05
ajmitchHobbsee: that's fine, i'll just hassle you to do stuff in main04:08
persiaajmitch: about gnue-?04:08
ajmitchpersia: no04:09
persiaajmitch: OK.  I'll take your name off the assignment list on the migration page then.  Thanks.04:09
Hobbseeajmitch: hah.  dream on.  you have your own powers04:11
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ajmitchHobbsee: nah, i feel like just removing myself04:11
Hobbseeajmitch: not allowed.04:12
Hobbseeajmitch: unless you'll contribute more to debian and ubuntu as a result04:12
ajmitchis allowed, actually04:12
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FujitsuHm, I see that Canonical is advertising bzr through AdWords.04:31
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zakamegood day MOTUs! :D04:46
Hobbseehiya zakame 04:47
zakamehello Hobbsee04:47
persiaHi zakame04:48
zakameheya persia04:48
Hobbseezakame: did you fall off the planet?04:49
persiazakame: How active is ~motujava?04:49
zakamepersia: not really active, sadly, but man-di just joined, and I made it an open team now04:49
zakameHobbsee: er?04:49
Hobbseezakame: just hadnt seen you around much, prior to yesterday04:50
zakameHobbsee: true, I was a bit sick last week, and been dabbling on other stuffs the previous04:51
persiazakame: Ah.  I'm just looking at the team wiki page, and noticed a request for help.  I'd like to recommend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/CreatingTeamGuide as a good source of team building information.04:51
Hobbseeahh.  04:51
zakamepersia: coolness!  thanks for that!04:52
persiazakame: That itself is a work-in-progress, so if you find anything new, please also add it there.04:53
zakameso is life, work-in-progress :D04:53
jussi01hello all04:55
persiahi jussi0104:55
jussi01persia: could you take a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25370/04:55
leonelmotujava ??  that sounds  good ..04:55
persialeonel: It is good.  Warm and rich.  Sign up now, get it on the ground floor, and great things will happen :)04:56
leonelpersia: where  is the motujava party ?04:56
jussi01persia: Im not a very good email writer...04:56
persialeonel: Ask the team leader: zakame04:57
leonelfound it !04:57
leonelmotu java growers ?04:57
leonelwhat about   ubuntu-java ?04:58
zakamestill reforming it though04:58
leonelis that another ?04:58
persiajussi01: In general, nice work.  There's a couple spelling issues, and I recommend avoiding things like "you need to {foo}" in favour of things like the policy for Ubuntu prevents my packaging because {foo} has not been done.05:00
jussi01persia: ok. would you mind making a few changes to the paste? (do you have time?)05:01
persiajussi01: Sure.  Do you want 1) comments, 2) minor edits, or 3) a rewrite?05:01
leonelzakame: what's to be done with  motujava ?05:01
zakameleonel: at the moment, merging java packages05:02
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StevenKpersia: Okay. "Don't"05:03
leonelzakame: ok let's learn to merge   I have  dbmail pending to merge  but  I'm stuck  with  some dapper's  clamav  bugs  05:04
jussi01persia: well any of the above is good, though a rewrite would be nice.... I'm just not a very good email composer...05:04
persiaStevenK: Why not?  Upstream usually works with a direct download, but it's messy, and doesn't generaly work for all system users.05:04
StevenKpersia: I'm just bitter because I dislike Java. :-)05:05
persiajussi01: Sure - that will take a little longer.  Please review it carefully, as my style is surely different than yours.05:05
zakameleonel: did you look at http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html and grab-merge.sh'd the package?05:05
leonelzakame:  yes   05:06
persiaStevenK: From what I understand, java packages should be safe to ignore for everyone else, so you can be safe.05:06
jussi01persia: sure, I will. Im on holidays so I have a fair bit of time, but I am AFK for periods so if i dont answer you know why.05:06
leonelzakame: but Let me finish first  with  clamav bugs  I have pending   to start  merging  dbmail and  java packages  05:06
zakameleonel: ah, cool05:07
persiajussi01: No worries.  Are you around for a while now?  "a little longer" in this case is probably <15 minutes.05:07
zakamewaah I'm out of HD space05:07
jussi01persia: Im going to grab some lunch, but yes, i will be around for the next hour or so.05:08
leonelzakame:  I really feel  a little bad  because It's been 1 week long to sort out the clamav bugs in dapper05:08
zakameleonel: why? what's been bugging clamav?05:08
Amaranthso it's not possible to snag a package from the NEW queue?05:09
jmgzakame: apt-get autoclean05:09
zakamejmg: yeah, doing that now05:09
leonelzakame:  3 cve   which 2 have the fix in the  90.x version of clamav  and need to patch for  the 88.2  in dapper   and the 90.x  has changed  some things     and I need to figure out what's for those CVEs 05:13
zakamewaah, that's quite a lot05:14
jmgleonel: why cant you use the 90.x in dapper?05:14
leoneljmg:  I do but can't be uploaded  to  dapper-security   and not everyone has  backports enabled   and  there are some packages that would break with 0.90.3 05:15
jmgleonel: that sucks05:16
leoneland it's an important package to keep updated with the latest version05:16
leoneland theres a  message from freshclam  that says  that the clamav  package  is  outdated  even if it's patched    and that  gives some confusion to endusers05:17
leonelwell got to go  05:21
leonelfor now ...05:22
leonelapt-get remove leonel05:22
leonelgood  night !05:22
persiajussi01: I'd probably send something like http://pastebin.ca/563393, but that itself would benefit from a spell check, and definitely needs real URLs :)05:22
persiajussi01: rather http://pastebin.ca/563395: "confirm" is not an ideal word there.05:23
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tonyyarussoDoes Gutsy sync _every_ package from Debian unstable, or would it be wise to request a specific one?05:26
jussi01persia: second url doesnt work. but the firs one looks quite nice :D05:26
Hobbseetonyyarusso: everything that's not blacklisted, or has ubuntu changes05:26
persiajussi01: It's your IRC client.  Drop the ":"05:26
tonyyarussoHobbsee: blacklisted?05:26
tonyyarusso(specifically shell-fm, just found it)05:27
jussi01persia: hehe... didnt see that05:27
StevenKtonyyarusso: There's a list of package which are never going to be sync'd. Such as the d-i kernels and so on05:27
StevenKpackages, even05:27
persiatonyyarusso: Also, Ubuntu only auto-syncs new packages from Debian main.  If you need something new from contrib or non-free, that's a manual request.05:28
tonyyarussoHobbsee, persia: Those two statements seem to be in conflict with each other.05:30
ajmitchtonyyarusso: everything in debian main that's not blacklisted or has ubuntu changes05:30
ajmitchand providing that it's not past DebianImportFreeze05:30
persiatonyyarusso: OK.  Ubuntu syncs everything from Debian main, unless there it has been blacklisted or has Ubuntu changes, and anything already in Ubuntu from contrib and non-free unless there are Ubuntu changes.05:31
Hobbseesorry, everything in debian main05:31
persiaPlus what ajmitch said05:31
tonyyarussookay, then I likely need to make a request for this.05:31
ajmitchtonyyarusso: new packages in debian still get checked to a degree before being imported into ubuntu05:31
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ajmitchtonyyarusso: why?05:31
ajmitch  shell-fm | 0.2+svn20070605.r215-1 | http://apt-proxy gutsy/universe Sources05:31
ajmitch  shell-fm | 0.2+svn20070605.r215-1 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources05:31
StevenKTwitch. apt-proxy05:32
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jussi01persia: what is the exactloaction for the dfsg?05:33
StevenKIt's linked off http://www.debian.org/devel/05:33
tonyyarussoajmitch: never mind then :)  Hadn't actually gotten to the checking gutsy step, but was assuming until proven wrong that it hadn't found its way there yet.05:33
persiatonyyarusso: Generally, new packages are only in the current development release.  Once should check there first.05:33
StevenKpersia =~ s/\(On\)ce/\1e/05:34
tonyyarussopersia: Well yeah, was getting there - was a passing thought so far ;)05:34
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crimsunpersia: once-overed. http://pastebin.ca/56340605:34
persiaStevenK: s/ce/e/ is cleaner for that string :)05:34
StevenKpersia: Meh. :-)05:35
StevenKjussi01: http://www.debian.org/social_contract05:36
persiajussi01: See crimsun's updates - it's even better :)05:36
StevenKjussi01: (For the DFSG)05:36
jussi01alright thank you all. Ill put it together and you can comment then :D05:38
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jussi01persia: http://pastebin.ca/56342505:47
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persiajussi01: Good links :)  My only two thoughts for changes would be 1) Consider "I would like to solicit" rather than "I am soliciting" in the first paragraph, and 2) prefixing the second paragraph with "Also, ", "In addition, ", or "Separately, ".  I think these are edits to my text rather than yours :)05:59
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jussi01persia: http://pastebin.ca/56344306:02
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persiajussi01: Looks fine to me.  Does it still match what you wanted to send, and are you set to follow up on responses?06:05
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jussi01persia: it says exactly what i wanted, in words I couldnt have put together :D thanks! When I get a response, If I cant deal with it Ill know where to come ;)06:07
persiajussi01: Great.  Good luck.06:07
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jussi01ok, lets see everyones investigative skills... someone find me the authors email address... http://genpo.sourceforge.net/ I cant find it anywhere....06:15
jussi01nm... found it on the ml... finally06:16
persiajussi01: It's always right after you give up :)06:16
jussi01lol, yeah06:17
jussi01although it doesnt give me the whole address grrr...06:17
StevenK  merronys at users.sourceforge.net06:17
jussi01StevenK: thank you... :D06:17
jussi01SENT!! :D06:26
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zakameanyone working on azureus merge?07:29
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StevenKzakame: There be dragons with that merge. Commonly called users.07:31
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zakameStevenK: wahehehe07:32
zakameyo jsgotangco07:32
zakamechecking LP bugs now, 16 uncon07:32
man-diyes, azurues is evil07:32
man-diI fight with it in debian07:32
man-dizakame: I feel your pain07:33
zakamewah, there's even a new-version wishlist07:33
man-dizakame: the debian maintainer of it is on vacation...07:33
zakameoh, shaun jackman07:34
zakameI remember him, I adopted robotour from him (now it has a couple of RCs related to 64-bit machines)07:34
zakamecan't seem to squash it though07:35
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persiaman-di: If you have a bit of time, could you please take a look at the build logs for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/3.2.2-107:36
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minghuadid anybody get azureus working with GCC java?07:42
minghuaI only heard sad stories, and all the conclusions seem to be "use Sun java and everything will be fine"07:43
man-dipersia: yes, I'm already on that one07:43
persiaman-di: Great.  Thanks.07:43
superm1minghua, there is a package that is azureus-gij i believe07:51
superm1that uses GCC java07:52
superm1or azureus-gcj07:52
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minghuasuperm1: Thanks.  I still don't quite understand though (but that's okay, I don't want to become a java packaging expert), as azureus-gcj's package description says "This package contains the natively compiled code for use by gij."07:59
superm1minghua, my understanding is gij byte compiles the java code07:59
superm1so its supposed to be a little faster07:59
superm1than purely interpreted java code07:59
man-digcj can compile bytecode to native07:59
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man-diminghua: if you have questions, ask me08:00
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superm1man-di, so it really is a lot faster when gcj handles the compilation?08:01
superm1rather than using sun java to interpret it?08:01
minghuaI see.  So besides "using Sun java" and "using GCC java", there is a third option of "using native compiled version"?08:01
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minghuaman-di: Oh, glad to see you here.  Not many MOTUs dare to touch azureus in Ubuntu, it seems.08:02
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man-diminghua: same for DDs08:03
man-diminghua: I fight with debian maintainer of azurues for a long time to make it correct08:03
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man-disuperm1: its not faster then SUN, its faster then interpreted with gcj08:05
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man-disuperm1: the interpreter of gcj is *really* slow08:05
man-disuperm1: we compile to native to get acceptable speed with a runtime that is in main08:05
man-disuperm1: so far SUN JDK is not free08:05
superm1man-di, but then is there still an option to run with sun though?08:05
superm1or is that forfeited by doing this08:06
man-disuperm1: sure08:06
man-diyou can use whatever runtime you prefer08:06
man-disuperm1: the native gcj libs are just additional08:06
superm1ah i've wondered how that worked with it08:06
man-diand only used when gcj is used as runtime08:07
superm1that's pretty neat then08:07
man-diand kaffe has some code that could use them hypothetically08:07
man-disuperm1: think of it as native jars08:07
man-diI need to leave now, cu later08:08
superm1ok. thanks a lot man-di you really helped clear that up :)08:08
minghuaman-di: so even if the azureus package is built with GCC java, the bytecode version can run on all VMs, either Sun java or e.g. kaffe?08:11
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dholbachgood morning08:53
gnomefreakgood morning08:53
dholbachhey gnomefreak08:53
RAOFGood afternoon dholbach, gnomefreak 08:53
dholbachhey RAOF08:53
gnomefreakhi RAOF 08:53
zakamegood day folks08:55
gnomefreakhi zakame 08:55
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man-diminghua: yes, it does09:23
man-diminghua: thats the cool thing about java bytecode being arch independant09:23
man-diminghua: and in fact GCJ was designed to be interoperable with SUN Java09:24
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minghuaman-di: thanks for the explanation09:25
man-diminghua: no problem, I help you and you help me some day09:26
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persiaIs matti lindell around?09:59
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crimsunno, he's not.09:59
persiacrimsun: Thanks (I guess)10:01
crimsunwell, I can't magically make him appear10:07
man-dicrimsun: did you lost your magical powers? damn10:07
persiacrimsun: Even for a pony?10:07
crimsunnever had them.  You need to see Hobbsee for that.10:07
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jussi01hello Hobbsee10:07
RAOFYay!  Recent builds of gnash!10:07
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crimsunwell, now that we have GSt 0.10.13, this crossfading in RB should be interestin.g10:14
zakamegnashing of streams10:16
RAOFcrimsun: s/interesting/works with wavpack files/?10:17
RAOFI refer of course to bug #11904410:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119044 in rhythmbox "Crossfading engine never starts playing wavpack files" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11904410:18
crimsunit's not limited to wavpack IME10:19
RAOFwavpack was the only codec I tried that didn't work.10:19
crimsundoesn't work at all on my files10:20
RAOFI don't think I have a wma encoder to duplicate the original upstream bug.10:20
crimsunI do get a nice xkill or pkill exercise, however.10:20
RAOFReally?  It actually *hangs* RB for you?10:20
crimsunyes, massively.10:20
RAOFIsn't software wonderful.10:20
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RAOFWell, it doesn't work, but it doesn't hang.  Huzzah for system differences.10:22
crimsunhangs with pulse removed from the equation, too10:22
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dholbachwow - we have LOADS of bugs marked as 'upgrade'11:06
dholbachmost of them should be easy to fix11:06
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man-dibluekuja: ping12:15
bluekujaman-di, pong12:15
man-dibluekuja: why did you reintroduced https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcommons-dbcp-java/+bug/81876 ?12:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 81876 in libcommons-dbcp-java "Dependency on java2-runtime removed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  12:15
man-dibluekuja: a sync of the package would have been enough to get everything fixed12:15
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man-dibluekuja: that was why I uploaded -5 to Debian at all12:16
bluekujaman-di, it seems it wasnt removed in previous version12:16
bluekujaand nothing was marked in changelog12:16
bluekujadidnt see that bug12:16
man-dibluekuja: it MAY not be removed12:16
man-dibluekuja: it was not in changelog because it was no Debian bug12:17
man-dibluekuja: only Ubuntu12:17
bluekujaman-di, yeah, badly I didnt see that bug in LP12:17
bluekujaman-di, we will sync next release then12:19
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icf7Somebody in here who'd like to review (and maybe advocate) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5467 (Sunflow rendering system, http://sunflow.sf.net ) ?01:06
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dokobluekuja: about the various scim merges; please go ahead with the merges; if you do have questions, ask on this channel, or use REVU to get feedback01:17
bluekujadoko: great, thanks :)01:17
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DktrKranzcould you please clarify me a bit about bug #119936?01:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119936 in aptoncd "Please fakesync aptoncd 0.1-1" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11993601:27
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pochuDktrKranz: persia means if it's a Fakesync, it should just be the debian package with a changelog entry saying "Fakesync", but no other changes.01:42
DktrKranzthis has different upstream tarball, it's unclear to me how to handle a fakesync that way01:45
shawarmaUm... That's what fakesync means, afaik.01:46
pochuDktrKranz: with a different tarball you mean different content, or just different md5sum?01:46
DktrKranzdifferent md5sums01:46
pochuIf the latter, use the ubuntu one, but use the debian/ dir.01:46
pochuAnd add a changelog entry saying it's fakesync, and that it can be synced with the next upstream release :)01:47
DktrKranzit has no ubuntu changes to be kept01:47
shawarmaA sync is just a copy of the debian package with no changes at all. A fakesync is the same only we use our own orig.tar.gz (because they differ for some reason), but Debian's diff.gz. In that case we add an entry to the changelog saying that it was fakesync'ed.01:47
DktrKranzso a it should be a fakesync01:48
DktrKranzI'm curious to know how this can be managed during upload01:48
DktrKranzas a normal debdiff?01:49
shawarmaUploads are never actually done with debdiffs.01:49
shawarmaA fakesync (if the tarballs are identical, but with different md5sums (due to timestamps or whatever)) can be done by fetching the source of the debian package, putting our orig.tar.gz where the debian one was, add an entry to the changelog, debuild -S, upload.01:51
DktrKranzand what if the two packages are not the same (md5 and content)?01:52
shawarmaDktrKranz: that's difficult to say anything general about, really.01:53
shawarmaDktrKranz: It depends on how the differ.01:53
DktrKranzcould it be case of a merge?01:54
DktrKranzanyway, I'll check orig.tar.gzs to see if they are identical in content01:54
DktrKranzif so, I will ask for a fakesync following your advices01:55
DktrKranzthanks for now :)01:55
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PumpernickelWow... someone put this guy out of his misery.02:25
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ubotuHelp! Hobbsee, Riddell, sladen, or fbond02:26
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imbrandonmy aliases are borked02:29
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imbrandon /kb *@WL-POOL04-35.UNI-MUENSTER.DE02:29
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elkbuntushit... he leaves too quick02:29
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Fujitsuelkbuntu: Hahah.02:30
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fernandoelkbuntu: congrats02:31
StevenKelkbuntu: Thanks!02:31
elkbuntuand makes things scroll so i cant copy the damn hostmask02:31
Pumpernickel...and there was much rejoicing.02:31
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Fujitsu... and Pumpernickel.02:31
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elkbuntunot even a registered nick02:31
imbrandonthanks elk /me goes to fix his aliases02:31
elkbuntui'll hang on to the ops for a bit, he might find a new hostmask02:32
imbrandoni doubt it was intentional02:32
imbrandonbut okies02:32
imbrandonprobably a bitchx client on the uni computer and he's not even there02:33
imbrandonthats trying to constantly reconnect02:33
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imbrandonheya BearPerson 02:33
elkbuntuBearPerson, we fixed it, thanks for coming though02:33
imbrandoni was just a tad slow, aliases wasent setup apparently02:34
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zulhey imbrandon 02:35
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imbrandonheya zul 02:36
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DarkSun88Hi all02:39
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MehdiHassanpourhi, I need some help t o create a font .deb package... any guide/howto ?03:14
DarkSun88MehdiHassanpour: Try to read this page: http://www.debian.org/devel/index.en.html03:16
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HobbseeMehdiHassanpour: follow the packaging guide, usually works03:17
Q-FUNKMehdiHassanpour: the general guidelines abotu creating packages apply.  for fonts, the main issue is defoma support and installing the fonts in the right directory.03:18
MehdiHassanpourHobbsee, should I write a Makefile to copy ttf files in appropriate folder ?03:18
Hobbseei have no idea, i dont touch fonts.  probably for good reason03:19
Q-FUNKMehdiHassanpour: are these just TTF font files and a copyright file?03:19
MehdiHassanpourQ-FUNK, yes, they are TTF files03:19
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Q-FUNKMehdiHassanpour: ok.  does the upstream archive include proper copyrights and does thelicense meet free software guidelines?03:20
MehdiHassanpourQ-FUNK, I want to create it for our company local use.03:21
MehdiHassanpourQ-FUNK, we've designed them for our local use and will not be published for public use03:22
Q-FUNKMehdiHassanpour: ok.  if it's not for uploading to MOTU, then all you need to worry about is installng fonts in the right directory.  using cdbs with the debhelper rule, you just need to fill debian/install content.03:22
Q-FUNKMehdiHassanpour: so, as Hobbsee said, standard packaging guidelines apply for making a good package.  03:24
MehdiHassanpourQ-FUNK, ok ty. what about the defoma support ?03:24
Q-FUNKMehdiHassanpour: you generally want fonts to successfully register with defoma and pango.03:26
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jussi01hello all03:32
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persiabluekuja: When requesting syncs, please list the Ubuntu changes from the current version, and indicate why they no longer apply to the new Debian version.03:58
siretartpersia: hi there!04:04
persiasiretart: Good day.04:04
siretartpersia: btw, did Hobbsee tell you that I created an account for you on tiber?04:04
persiasiretart: No.  Was she so assigned?04:05
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persiasiretart: Also, thanks.  Is there a guide on using it?04:05
siretartpersia: she said that you were interested in helping out with revu by resyncing keyring and rechecking the incoming queue04:05
siretartpersia: ssh to 'tiber.tauware.de', read /etc/motd, and check ~ftp/incoming04:06
persiasiretart: Those are both things I'd certainly be willing to do - I often tell people to wait when they have that type of request.04:06
siretartpersia: I'd suggest that you look a bit around and see what you can do there. If you need additional permissions, tell me what you need04:07
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persiasiretart: Thanks.  I can see how to resync, and I'm guessing I can just rm to clean incoming, right?04:08
siretartpersia: right. or mv from ~ftp/incoming/rejected to ~ftp/incoming04:08
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siretartthe process script is run every 5 minutes from revu1's crontab04:08
persiasiretart: mv from rejected?  When is that good?04:08
siretartwhen the uploader wasn't in the keyring at the time the process script ra04:08
svschwart1hello :) I've installed Gusty Tribe1, wanted to try fresh KVM, used this howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM 04:09
persiasiretart: Ah.  That makes sense.  Thanks for the explanation.04:09
Hobbseesiretart: no.  i suck.04:10
svschwart1but when I want to start my VM it says 04:10
svschwart1user@amd1-desktop:~$ kvm -no-acpi -m 384 -cdrom /dev/cdrom windows.img04:10
svschwart1kvm_create_vm: Invalid argument04:10
svschwart1Could not create KVM context04:10
Hobbseepersia: siretart created you an account on tiber.04:10
Hobbseesiretart: consider it done :P04:10
xxxxx1svschwart1: try #ubuntu04:10
persiaHobbsee: Thanks for telling me :)04:10
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xxxxx1hello siretart :)04:10
siretartHobbsee: :)04:12
siretartxxxxx1: *wave*04:12
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persiasiretart: After a little exploration and testing, I appear to be able to assist with minor administrative tasks.  Thanks again.04:23
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tobiasschulzcan someone check and perhaps advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5503 ?04:44
persiatobiasschulz: There's a bunch of outstanding lintian and linda errors.  Are you having difficulties with these?04:44
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tobiasschulzwhat does litian exactly?04:46
man-ditobiasschulz: checks for common mistakes in packages04:47
geserlintian and linda check if your package conforms to the Debian policy04:47
man-ditobiasschulz: another tool to install is linda, does basically the same04:47
tobiasschulzans what are tehre errors?04:47
persiatobiasschulz: lintian and linda are package checkers.  They both check either source or binary packages, and indicate issues that might be found.  Try `lintian -iIv *.changes` or `linda -v -f long -t E,I,W,X *.changes` to get some information on things that need work.04:47
man-ditobiasschulz: note that both show slightly different issues04:47
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man-ditobiasschulz: having both installed at debuild-time you will get their ouptut automatically at the end of your build04:48
persiatobiasschulz: You can see some of the errors listed from the lintian and linda links on the URL you posted, but you'll likely get better information from running it locally.04:48
persiaman-di: Not quite - default debuild behaviour in current Ubuntu doesn't call linda.04:49
man-dipersia: really? oh, in debian its on by default04:49
persiaman-di: That's my experience.  I haven't hunted the relevant patches.04:50
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persiaman-di: Also, even if it were enabled, it doesn't have all the flags I listed above, which are encouraged for REVU, as the packages should be perfect, not just compliant :)04:51
man-dipersia: these flags are all default on debian afaik04:52
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man-diI thought ubuntu migth do the same, I was wrong...04:52
persiaman-di: All of them?  Hmmm...04:52
man-dino, not -i for lintian04:53
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man-diand not -f long for linda04:53
man-dibut the rest04:53
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bluekujaheya persia 04:54
persiabluekuja: Hey.04:54
bluekujapersia: yeah, gonna add them now04:54
persiabluekuja: Great.  Thanks.  Please update the descriptions, rather than adding a comment.04:55
geserHi bluekuja04:56
bluekujaheya geser 04:56
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bluekujapersia: I need to leave for a while, when I'm back gonna change that desc05:07
persiabluekuja: OK.  I'll unsubscribe for a while then.  Please resub when you're done.  Thanks again.05:07
bluekujapersia: ok, sounds great! ;)05:07
bluekujacya later05:07
RainCTnixternal: hi. is plucker this? plkr.org :P05:15
persiaRainCT: Yes.05:15
persiaRainCT: Do you have a few free minutes?05:18
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RainCTpersia: well.. yes :)05:19
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persiaRainCT: Would you mind cleaning up the icon path for bug 93894, or am I misremembering that you use KDE?05:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 93894 in dvdrip "icon for dvdrip missing in KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9389405:21
RainCTpersia: I use GNOME; don't like most KDE application, except for a few05:22
persiaRainCT: My apologies then :)  I'll try to remember correctly in the future.05:23
shawarmaIf anyone (preferably someone with perl packaging skills) is bored, there's a bunch of stuff on REVU that needs an ACK. (Look for soren@ubuntu.com)05:23
persiashawarma: Is there a specific package that you'd like reviewed?05:24
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shawarmapersia: Well.. the system-config-printer would be nice to get off my todo list.05:26
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shawarmapersia: The order of the rest of them (the perl ones) does not matter.05:26
persiashawarma: I'll look at that first then.  Also, this'll be my first peer review: do I ack, and you archive upload, or is there a different process?05:27
RainCTpersia: do you know on what category plucker would go?05:27
shawarmapersia: You ack, I upload, I archive.05:28
persiashawarma: That's easiest for me :)  Thanks for the explanation.05:28
persiaRainCT: No strong idea really.  Utility maybe as a main?05:28
shawarmaRainCT: plucker is already in the archive?05:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about plucker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:29
shawarma!pkg plucker05:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pkg plucker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:30
persiashawarma: I'm not seeing system-config-printer.  Do you mean system-config-samba?05:30
RainCTpersia: okay, that's what I think too, thanks05:30
shawarmapersia: Yes. I'm an idiot.05:30
persia!info plucker05:30
ubotuplucker: Pluck stuff from the web and read it on your PalmOS device. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8-20ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 455 kB, installed size 1304 kB05:30
persiashawarma: OK.  Just like to confirm these things :)05:30
shawarmapersia: thanks. :)05:30
shawarmaRainCT: ^^ Is that the same plucker?05:31
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RainCTshawarma: yes05:31
shawarmaRainCT: It's currently in universe/otherosfs.05:31
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persiashawarma: Category section for .desktop file for plucker-desktop (the GUI interface).05:31
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persiashawarma: Sorry, but I'm not comfortable ACKing an rpm conversion with neither of debian/README.Debian-source nor debian/rules: get-orig-source: :)05:35
statikanyone feel like doing a review of a simple python module (my first package?) I think I've addressed all the comments that were made so far in the version that I uploaded yesterday05:35
statikpython-coverage, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=549005:35
siretartTheMuso: do you have experience with using dogtail?05:37
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siretartpersia: you are a perl guy?05:38
persiasiretart: I've written lots of perl code, and I've explored a fair amount of perl packaging, but I wouldn't necessarily categorise myself as a "perl guy".05:39
siretartpersia: I'm looking for a framework for testing GUIs, preferably one in perl. can you recommend something?05:39
persiasiretart: That's much more perl-y than I get.  Sorry :(05:40
shawarmapersia: Fair enough.05:41
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persiashawarma: For the perl packages, you don't seem to claim copyright on the packaging ("The Debian packaging is copyright $year $packager, and is licensed under $license, see above", at least for the case where the packaging carries an identical license).05:45
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shawarmapersia: That may very well be true..05:47
persiaIs it uncopyrighted?  I think that requires explicit disclaimer is most common jurisdictions (and certainly under WTO practices).05:48
persiashawarma: Other than the copyright notes, all the perl stuff looks fairly standard and clean.  I've not actually tested the build & run the packaging checks yet, as copyright is enough to block me.05:52
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shawarmapersia: Fair enough. system-config-samba updated, perl packages on their way.05:56
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persiashawarma: Thanks.  I'll take another look.05:57
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RainCThow can I uuencode a file? uuencode file.png isn't doing anything :S05:57
shawarmauuencode file.png file.png05:58
shawarmano shit :)05:58
shawarmaThe first file.png tell uuencode what the name of it should be in the uuencoded stuff, while the second arg tells it where to get the data.05:58
RainCTthanks. I think I tried that before, strange xD06:00
geserdoesn't this destroy file.png?06:00
shawarmageser: uu*en*ode?06:00
persiageser: No.  The name is just a name, and the .uu is added automatically.  It's counterintuitive, but it works.06:00
LucidFoxis it wise to add a photo to my public key?06:00
shawarmapersia: The perl updated  perl packages should be there in a minute or so. thanks a bunch for reviewing them. 06:01
shawarmapersia: I'm running off for a few hours, but I'll stay online, so just shout if anything else is wrong. Thanks!06:01
LucidFoxAlso, what will happen if I edit the key (eg. add a new UID) after someone signs it? Will they have to re-sign it?06:01
persiaLucidFox: Not everything supports it, but if you do, people will see the picture when they get the key.  It's the same question as "it is best to carry a photo ID, or a non-photo ID", except that in this case, non-photo is more common.06:02
persiashawarma: I'll send you and email with the results of my checks.  Everything is refreshed?06:02
shawarmapersia: Looks like it.06:02
shawarmapersia: Thanks!06:02
persiashawarma: Happy to help.  I like new packages.06:03
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LucidFoxAlso, after I upload the updated key to the keyserver, will I have to update it on Launchpad as well?06:06
RainCTeh.. does 1.8-21ubuntu1 mean that 21 .deb's were created for the same version in Debian? :S06:06
LucidFoxRainCT> yes06:06
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persiaRainCT: Upstream has been working on 1.9 for a long time, and hasn't updated 1.8, although a lot of bugfix patches have been extracted over the past few years.  Packages with active upstreams rarely reach that.06:08
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RainCTok thanks06:11
persiaRainCT: Why the sudden interest in plucker?06:13
RainCTpersia: I'm not interested in it, just trying to fix the bug :p06:14
RainCTcan you check the debdiff please? bug 11836106:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118361 in plucker "plucker-desktop: Missing menu entry" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11836106:14
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RainCT(new debdiff - copy-paste is bad lol)06:15
persiaRainCT: Ah.  I wasn't sure that we should fix that, but looking at the bug, I see you're already coordinating with the right person :)  Preparing to redownload the debdiff now...06:16
bmmAny MOTU: after fixing some details, ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5511 is looking for advocates for the newest version.06:17
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RainCTpersia: (where `cp debian/plucker.desktop debian/usr/share/applications' it's `debian/plucker.desktop' :p)06:21
RainCT* debian/plucker-desktop.desktop06:21
persiaRainCT: Given that the package already uses dh_install, please use that for the .desktop and icon installation.  Also, the .desktop won't actually work, as plucker-desktop has been recently dropped: you want to have that install in the plucker-desktop binary package, which doesn't currently exist.06:21
persiaRainCT: Check with nixternal, but I suspect providing the .desktop, icons, and documenting the install locations would be easier to merge (unless you can get a pre-release package for 1.9.0, in which case patching against that might be good).06:23
RainCTpersia: ok, I've uploaded everything and will wait to see what nixternals says. Thanks06:27
RainCToff-topic: someone here that can help me with a Python+Qt problem?06:28
persiaRainCT: Thanks a lot for chasing the menus - it makes the apps a lot more accessible (although I'm still hoping https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-desktopfile-ui happens soon).06:28
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RainCTpersia: how will that work?06:31
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persiaRainCT: Nobody knows yet (which is a large part of why it doesn't exist).  The tricky part is figuring out how to reinsert the data into the packages safely, or alternately, how to provide support packages that would actually work (and not be *too* large on user systems).  If you have a good idea how to do that safely, writing it up would be great.06:35
RainCTpersia: I don't have, that's why I'm asking :p06:37
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persiaRainCT: For now, best practice has just been to translate into as many languages as one can, and send to Debian and upstream, hoping to interface with upstream translation, but it's still not ideal.06:38
RainCTpersia: just an idea but perhaps M-o-M could be expanded to update the .desktop files inserting the translations when merging and syncing...06:40
LucidFoxWhat should be done if the upstream version includes a debian/ subdir?06:41
persiaRainCT: Doesn't even need MoM: if Rosetta could export the data, and MOTUs were encouraged to merge on some schedule, we'd have a manual process: the difficulty there is coordinating with upstream translations for packages where there is already a translated .desktop file, and passing the patches appropriately so as not to annoy people.06:42
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xxxxx1LucidFox: check topic 6.7.8 in developers-reference06:43
persiaLucidFox: Request upstream to remove it.  While waiting, if you can use it as a basis for your packaging, do so (this requires that no files in debian/ must be deleted - they may be converted to empty files).  If you cannot, repacking may be done, but it is not preferred.06:43
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RainCTpersia: uhm.. Launchpad could store the last entry from Debian's .desktop file for each translation that is changed on LP and then if it hasn't changed apply Ubuntu's one06:44
LucidFoxxxxxx1> what is developers-reference?06:44
xxxxx1LucidFox: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/06:45
persiaRainCT: When would it be applied?  Manually or automatically?06:45
RainCTpersia: well, those who adds the translations, whatever it's M-o-M or a MOTU06:46
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persiaRainCT: Maybe.  There's a lot of manual processes involved, and it might be annoying to have a .desktop file in more languages that the actual application, but it might work.  Do you want to draft up something describing all the moving parts?  I'd be happy to glance at it, and it can be submitted for review by those who might work on an implementation.06:49
bluekujapersia: done06:49
bluekujapersia: descriptions changed, should be ok now06:49
persiabluekuja: Great.  If someone else doesn't first, I'll hit them when I next review the queue.  Thanks for that.06:49
bluekujapersia: great! :) thanks to you :)06:50
bmmpersia: I've made the changes you commented on while advocating the package. Do I need your new advocation for the new update? (ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5511 ) 06:50
persiabmm: Yes, as REVU can't tell what changed.  I'll take a look in a bit.  Do you already have someone else as well?06:50
RainCTpersia: well, maybe later06:51
bmmpersia: no, but then I know I should call for the first advocate again :-) Thanks!06:51
persiaRainCT: Welcome to the club :)06:51
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persiabmm: Updated.  I'm not sure you needed the upload, but it doesn't hurt :)06:53
persiabmm: Just a note - it's a good idea to use dch when editing the changelog.06:54
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bmmpersia: thanks, but how did you see that I didn't? Oh, wait the date didn't change, right?06:55
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ScottK-laptoppersia: Would you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5505.  I think it's pretty close, but I don't know enough about the desktop stuff to check that.06:58
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persiaScottK: I was just looking at that earlier, and am composing a mail to the submitter that I didn't know enough python packaging to advocate :)  I'll look again, for the desktop stuff.07:00
persiaScottK: It's not compliant, but not any more so than much of what we have, and it will work (and be translated - hurrah!).07:01
persiaScottK: I'll put a note up with suggested changes.07:02
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LucidFoxwhy aren't revu packages sorted by date of upload?07:19
Hobbseefor an unknown reason07:20
Hobbseei think they are, but they're sorted by number of ack's too07:21
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LucidFoxall right, here we go - uploaded psi 0.11 RC107:21
LucidFoxit's my first package, so I probably made a lot of errors, and comments are welcome07:21
bluekujaLucidFox, provide the link07:22
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persiaHey Mez.07:26
icf7LucidFox: What are that certificates you are adding? Why aren't they in the original source?07:27
LucidFoxyou mean qsa?07:29
icf7yes, in this directory is a file rootcerts.pem07:30
LucidFoxQSA is a Qt cryptography library07:30
LucidFoxPsi 0.11 uses QSA2, which is not currently in Ubuntu and the Debian version conflicts with QSA1; however, the Psi configure script allows for a bundled QSA07:31
icf7LucidFox: ah, I see, your patch is *big* and there is no original .tar.gz07:31
LucidFoxso I added its source07:31
LucidFoxdput didn't upload the original tar.gz07:31
xxxxx1LucidFox: did you check existing psi source as start?07:32
LucidFoxit distributes the source as tar.bz207:32
LucidFoxso I did bunzip2, then gzip07:32
LucidFoxmaybe this is the problem?07:32
icf7LucidFox: no, afaik this is the right way07:32
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icf7LucidFox: But you didn't rename the file to $package_$version.orig.tar.gz07:33
LucidFoxI did07:33
icf7LucidFox: Mmm, then it's an upload problem ... http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/psi-0706131310/linda07:33
LucidFoxotherwise dpkg-buildpackage would refuse to work at all07:33
persiaLucidFox: You probably want to review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball for hints on how to make it work properly.07:34
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LucidFoxthe file is there in the directory - was dput supposed to upload it?07:34
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persiaLucidFox: dput uploads it iff you generated Source.changes with -S -sa07:35
LucidFoxI forgot -sa07:36
LucidFoxokay, reuploading it07:37
persiaLucidFox: That would do it.  Please upload again.07:37
icf7Could someone check this package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5467 (Sunflow rendering system)07:37
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LucidFoxoddly enough, the SVN tree for psi does include a bundled qsa - only the release tarballs don't07:38
icf7LucidFox: There's a small warning from linitan ... http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/psi-0706131330/lintian07:39
LucidFoxokay, I will comment out the compat level in rules then07:39
icf7The diff is still incredibly big (contains everything). I wonder why ...07:42
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LucidFoxit doesn't contain everything - it contains the bundled QSA source tree07:43
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LucidFoxbecause it isn't provided with the original tarball, it's only in SVN07:43
persiaLucidFox: Do you have a bug open for the upgrade?07:44
LucidFoxin Launchpad?07:44
LucidFoxif yes, then I don't - should I have opened it first?07:46
persiaLucidFox: Yes.  When making significant changes to a package in the archive, you want to have an LP bug listed as "In Progress" and assigned to you, so that others know you're touching it (and may avoid colliding with you, or otherwise contact you).  In this specific case, please also upload a diff -urN of the debian/ directories for the current archive package and the new package to the bug.07:48
persia(the reason for this is that standard REVU requires 100% lintian and linda compliance, etc., but new upstreams only require packaging that is as clean as it was before, based on the principle of minimal diffs with Debian)07:49
LucidFoxThanks, I'll do it in a few hours. I must go now.07:50
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persiaicf7: You've credited me twice :)  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/DebianCopyright about your copyright.  Don't use a filetype extension for the icon in the .desktop file.  Did you already try running the lintian and linda tests on your binaries?07:59
icf7persia: Thank you, the linitan warnings consist only of gutsy and NMU, am I doing something wrong here?08:00
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pochuicf7: run it against the binaries too.08:01
persiaicf7: Those are the warnings against the source.  Did you run against the binaries?08:01
icf7pochu, persia: Ah, ok, didn't know there was a difference. I'll do that08:03
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bluekujapersia: if the remaining ubuntu changes are a fakesync for an NMU, shoul them be dropped?08:09
bluekujapersia: or for version change 08:10
bluekujacaused by a NMU too08:10
persiabluekuja: Just to make sure I understand: the package you're looking now only has changes in debian/changelog (and maybe XSBC-Original-Maintainer), right?08:10
bluekujapersia: yeah08:11
bluekujawith a different versioning 08:11
persiabluekuja: And the orig.tar.gz's differ, but are for the same upstream version?08:11
bluekujapersia: yup08:11
bluekujapersia: I see here that previous mergers left it as remaining change08:12
bluekujafor 2 upstream versions08:12
bluekujaI think it's ok to leave it then08:12
persiabluekuja: Which package?  If there have been two upstreams since the fakesync, I don't believe that the orig.tar.gz's differ.08:13
bluekujapersia: one of them is carpaltunnel08:13
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bluekujait has been synced from debian unstable08:14
bluekujaand version changed for NMU08:14
bluekujain edgy08:14
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persiabluekuja: Ubuntu and Debian have the same orig.tar.gz.  carpaltunnel may sync.08:15
bluekujapersia, ok08:16
bluekujapersia: what about syslog-summary?08:16
bluekujafakesync on there08:16
bluekujapersia: tarballs seems to differ08:18
persiabluekuja: Nevermind.  Don't do anything to carpaltunnel - there's no change: 0.0.9-0.1 was fakesync's in edgy, and hasn't updated in Debian since.08:19
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bluekujapersia: ok then, can you take a fast look to syslog-summary?08:19
bluekujatarballs differ08:19
bluekujafakesynced in egdy08:20
persiabluekuja: Don't do anything to syslog-summary - there's no change: 1.12-0.1 was fakesync'd in edgy, and hasn't updated in Debian since.08:22
bluekujaok, there are 3 packages with this behaviour08:22
bluekujaI'll leave them08:22
icf7lintian advises to add to postrm the line "if [ -x /usr/bin/update-menus ]  ; then update-menus ; fi". Why "update-menus" instead of "/usr/bin/update-menus" the second time?08:23
persiabluekuja: Basically, there's a policy bug in Ubuntu versioning that breaks with Debian native NMUs.  When you see a version number like 0.0.9-0.1, check the changelog - it's probably already there.08:24
bluekujathanks for the hint08:24
persiaicf7: Because /usr/bin should be in the path, but -x requires the full path to verify the file is there.08:25
icf7persia: Thank you08:26
persiabluekuja: Also, in both those cases, the orig.tar.gz files didn't differ.  You can easily check by comparing the md5sums in the .dsc files, if you don't want to download.08:26
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bluekujapersia, ok, It looked different here in local, that's why I asked08:26
bluekujastrange thing08:26
persiabluekuja: (that's because in both those cases, there is no orig.tar.gz, just tar.gz - they are native) :)08:27
bluekujayeah, that's it08:27
bluekujapersia: thanks! ;) I've added something more to queue08:28
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socis there a way to speed up "sudo pbuilder create"08:34
socsince an ubuntu update broke checkinstall i#m trying to set up pbuilder, but it looks like that this command downloads packages from the server which are already available on my computer08:34
socseems to be quite unnecessary08:35
socpbuilder takes ages ..08:35
persiasoc: If you want faster, and you're willing to install things locally, consider debuild.08:35
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socmh ok08:37
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so1checkinstall worked quite well until some update broke it08:38
so1is there a tutorial for debuild?08:39
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icf7so1: Not quite a tutorial, but there's man debuild08:49
so1mh ok+08:50
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so1man debuild 08:51
so1No manual entry for debuild08:51
so1nice :-)08:51
bluekujaso1: ?08:51
jribman debuild  works here08:51
bluekujaso1, man 1 debuild08:52
so1no ...08:52
AndyPinstalling debuild might be the first thing to check :)08:52
so1there is no such package ,,,08:52
bluekujaAndyP, nice hint :P08:52
jribso1: you have devscripts?08:52
man-diso1: the package is called devscripts08:52
so1ok, i'm installing it08:53
so1so what are the requirement for debuild?08:53
so1i want to turn a source-package into a deb ...08:53
icf7so1: Your package manager will normally install all dependencies needed to run debuild. Other than that, I can't imagine any requirements08:54
man-diso1: unpackage the source package with dpkg-source -x ....dsc, cd into the resulting dir, debuild08:54
so1man debuild says it runs dpkg-buildpackage ... wow that helps :-)08:55
so1so where do i get the dsc-file?08:55
man-diso1: oh, and apt-get build-dep packagename08:55
icf7I updated the Sunflow package, reviews are welcome: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=551408:55
man-diso1: its part of the source packages08:55
so1i want to provide a deb for gimp which is not in the repositories08:55
man-diapt-get source packagename downloads everything from the repos08:56
icf7so1: gimp itself?08:56
man-diso1: why do you wanna rebuild gimp?08:56
so1i don't want to rebuild a package from the repos, i want to build a new one "from scratch"08:56
so1i don't want to rebuild it08:57
so1because gimp 2.3.18 is not available in the repos08:57
so1if it would be in the repos i wouldn't have to build a package on my own08:57
man-diso1: so you want to update an existing package08:57
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so1wouldn't say that ... i install gimp 2.3 into its own namespace08:58
icf7so1: As man-di said:  apt-get source gimp  will get what you want, but chances are someone has already updated it, though not in Ubuntu 7.0408:58
so1so it doesn't overwrite gimp 2.208:58
so1it's not in gutsy08:58
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so1so apt-get source gimp, then replacing the source with that from gimp 2.3.18, modifying the dsc and hoping it builds?08:59
man-diso1: debian experimental has 2.3.1608:59
azeemso does gutsy08:59
man-diso1: update to 2.3.18 from there should be much easier08:59
so1so how do i do it?08:59
azeem20:57  * persia points at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/PackageUpdate08:59
man-diso1: dont forget to edit debian/changelog09:00
so1sorry, dinner, i'll back in 5 minutes :-(09:00
azeemso1: don't eat too fast09:00
man-diso1: you must be a fast eater09:00
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=== persia points at http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gimp.html and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp
persiaicf7: I'm going to recommend you get someone who has previously packaged something with Java to give this a look - I have no idea if some of it is correct or not :)09:09
icf7persia: Thank you, I'll ask in #ubuntu-java !09:10
jribif anyone would like to review a new package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5444 thanks!09:10
so1so ok09:11
persiaicf7: It may be that few people there can comment directly, but you might get some good advice either in-channel, or in a pastebin.09:11
so1ok be right back09:11
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persiaicf7: Commented.09:18
man-diicf7: Java package?09:18
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icf7persia: Thanks, will fix that too09:18
icf7man-di: Yes.09:18
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icf7persia: 1): Do I need more than "License for package and content:" ?09:19
soci have done apt-get source gimp09:19
socwhat now?09:20
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soctarball is extracted09:20
socshould i move the new source from gimp.org over the old one?09:20
socthen rename the folder=09:21
socthen ./configure, make09:21
socif i wanted it to be called gimp-2.3 instead of gimp, what would i have to do?09:23
socsomeone there?09:23
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man-disoc: use uupdate09:23
man-disoc: then debuild09:23
persiaicf7: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/DebianCopyright is what you want to check, but somehow it fails to mention http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00023.html, which has a good example at the bottom.09:23
socuupdate gimp_2.3.18.orig.tar.gz?09:25
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mok0I've made a new upload of wulfware based on the last review, I've addressed most of the issues raised, and I now seek further review... ;-)09:26
persiamok0: It's best to include the URL when saying that :)09:26
mok0Just a min...09:27
soccan someone give me an advice on using uupdate=09:27
socin which directory do i have to run that?09:27
mok0top dir of package09:28
socof which one?09:28
socof the old or the new?09:28
mok0you don't yet have the new09:28
sochow can i tell it where the new tar.gz is?09:28
socah ok09:29
socso what exactly does uupdate09:29
mok0that is given in debian/watch09:29
socsi i can run uupdate without arguments?09:29
mok0man uupdate09:29
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socin watch there is just a ftp-server, is taht right?09:29
mok0watch has the uri of where to look for the source code09:30
socbut the uri of the official package is wrong?09:30
socit points to 2.209:30
mok0then you need  to fix it09:30
soci have the file already localy ... can i use that?09:31
man-disoc: uupdate ....pathtoyourtgz09:31
man-disoc: you dont need a watch file09:31
mok0it should have a regexp in () where the version is09:31
socbtw ... what does "version=3" mean in watch?09:31
man-disoc: the tool that uses watch files is called uscan anyway09:31
mok0that is the version of the watch syntax09:31
socahhh it works :-)09:31
mok0never mind that09:31
soca thx09:31
man-disoc: man uscan explains watch files09:32
socok, now i have the new source directory09:32
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man-disoc: now build it with debuild09:32
mok0there is a detailed manual somewhere on how to update a package to a new version09:33
man-diconfigure and make is called by dpkg-buildpackage which is called by debuild09:33
AndyPis anybody working on the rt2500 FTBFS? or does anyone know anything about it? i might have a look at it myself if no one's working on it (i need it to build to have wireless workage in gutsy)09:33
persiaAndyP: If there's not an assigned bug open in LP, it's fair game.09:34
socthe problem is, i want the package to be called gimp-2.3" instead of "gimp09:34
sochow do i do that when debuild runs configure?09:34
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mok0soc: but the package name does not have version numbers in it09:35
mok0the version is given in the changelog file, top line09:36
AndyPcan't find a bug... this should be fun :)09:36
socmh ok so how can i provide a gimp package without overwriting the one from ubuntu09:36
soci distribute the package which use gimp extensively09:36
socthey want to work with gimp-2.2 but want to try gimp-2.3, too09:36
mok0you can (should) not call package SSgimp, but ssgimp09:37
mok0(if that is neither in ubuntu or debian)09:37
mok0only lowercase.09:37
gesersoc: you would need to replace the package name in all debian/ files and filenames09:37
socdont understand that ...09:37
socah ok ...09:37
socwhen using checkinstall i can just specify the name ... 09:38
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socso debuild is a bit more complicates in that matter?09:38
mok0control defines package names, changelog defines version nums09:38
mok0debuild reads the files in debian/09:38
socso i would just have to modify control?09:39
mok0mmmmm perhaps09:39
mok0there can be files called gimp.install etc09:40
mok0they should be renamed to ssgimp.install etc.09:40
soci would have to change that manually too?09:40
socwhy ss?09:40
gesersoc: at least, perhaps also debian/rules and rename some files in debian/09:40
mok0errrr, didn't you want to call the package ssgimp?09:40
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socnever mentioned that ...09:41
gesermok0:  is next to "09:41
mok0ah :-)09:41
soci see09:41
mok0not on my keyboard 09:41
gesersoc: if you want to name it differently, you probably also want to make sure that gimp and gimp-2.3 are installable in parallel09:41
mok0ok, so the package name is still "gimp"09:41
soci just want to be able to install both in parallel, how i do that doesn't matter+09:42
soci just thought renaming the package would be the right way09:42
mok0you can call it socgimp :-)09:43
mok0or gimpsoc09:43
socwhat would be the difference to gimp-2.3?09:43
socgimpsoc wouldn't be easier?09:43
socgimp-2.3 seems to be more intuitive09:44
mok0no, it's probably simpler to just change the version09:44
gesersoc: but the binary will still be gimp and collide with the gimp from gimp09:44
mok0so you just update the version number in debian/changelog09:44
geserso need to rename the binary09:44
soci mean if i call it gimpsoc, nobody knows what it is09:44
socif i call it gimp-2.3 it's clear09:44
geserand also make sure that the data files are in different dirs09:44
socand people will know that it doensa't overwrite their regular gimp09:44
socwith checkinstall i called the package gimp-2.3 and installed it to /usr/local09:45
geserdpkg will complain if a file /usr/bin/gimp is installed from "gimp" and "gimp-2.3"09:45
socyes, that's why i want to install it to /usr/local09:46
geserpackages must not install files in /usr/local09:46
socwhy's that?09:46
mok0debian packaging policy09:46
mok0gimp is maintained in the debian distro09:50
geser/usr/local is in control of the local admin09:50
geserand packages should not interfere with it09:50
mok0soc: gimp is a complicated package, perhaps you should start with a simpler one09:50
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zulcheckinstall is evil as well09:52
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so1sorry, lost connection ...09:55
so1last thing i read was09:55
so1(21:46:36) soc: why's that?09:56
so1shouldn't unofficial packages install to local?09:56
crimsunNo package should touch /usr/local period.  That's the domain of the administrator, as has been stated.09:57
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mok0it's debian packaging policy09:57
mok0He was offline 09:57
so1ah ok09:57
so1so to install it to /usr09:57
so1i would have to rename really everything to another name?09:58
mok0soc: gimp is a complicated package, perhaps you should start with a simple on e09:58
so1don't think that's even possible ...09:58
mok0You just change the version number in debian/changelog09:58
so1problem is, i promised people that i would provide them with the latest and greatest gimp-2.3 packages until they are in ubuntu ...09:58
so1yeah but that would overwrite the old version wouldn't it?09:59
mok0ah, promises :-)09:59
so1i know i know09:59
so1it seemed easy to hold ... until checkinstall broke09:59
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so1don't know why it f'cks up every package ...09:59
mok0In principle is _should_ be possible to move the debian directory to the new 2.3 directory10:00
so1it produces debs with files like, "ld", "nm", "gcc","grep" in it10:00
so1don't know why ...10:00
mok0but perhaps there are big changes in the way 2.3 is configured and installed10:00
so1mh ...10:00
mok0... can you compile 2.3 outside of debian?10:01
so1would it be possible for me to provide updated gimp-packages for the official ubuntu repos?10:01
mok0gimp already has a maintainer10:01
so1don't understand the question .-...10:01
so1so how could i get him to update gimp 2.3 faster? :-P10:02
mok0can you download gimp-2.3.tar.gz and compile it?10:02
so1yes that works10:02
so1./configure && make && make install works10:02
crimsunso1: it is not Ubuntu main's policy to always have the latest & greatest.10:02
so1but ./configure && make && checkinstall not10:02
so1so there we have the problem ...10:03
crimsunmain has a _much_ stricter set of requirements for updated software10:03
so1i don't overwrite ubuntus gimp packages10:03
mok0I don't know checkinstall -- while you were gone someone said it is evil10:03
so1i don't WANT overwrite ubuntus gimp packages10:03
so1i don't WANT TO overwrite ubuntus gimp packages10:03
crimsunthen install them to /opt or something10:03
mok0that makes it more difficult10:03
so1but it seems to be difficult to rename it10:03
crimsunpass --prefix=/opt to configure10:03
so1ok /opt is acceptable10:03
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so1how do i do that if debuild does congiure for me?10:04
crimsunother packages do that - the KDE 4 snaps, for instance10:04
crimsunedit debian/rules appropriately10:04
crimsunsince gimp uses cdbs, you'll need the appropriate redefinition10:05
geser!info gimp gutsy10:06
ubotugimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.16-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 4073 kB, installed size 10768 kB10:06
geserso1: ^^10:06
crimsun-2 is in experimental10:06
crimsun2.3.17 should be skipped anyhow due to the crasher10:07
crimsunI'm not sure of 2.3.18 10:07
mok0so1: funny, before there was someone name soc asking about that very same package10:07
so1ah ,,,10:09
so1seems that the server renamed me again ...10:09
so1sorry, if that was confusing ...10:09
mok0just trying to keep the spirit up here on the channel10:10
so1ok, i give up for today ...10:11
so1see you tomorrow ...10:11
mok0see you, do some reading...10:11
so1yes ...10:13
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so1i wonder why there is such a divison between those which just want to build a package and those "professional" packaging mechanisms....10:14
mok0... that's what keeps Ubuntu so very, very stable10:15
so1most people will never be able to participate because it so complicated ...10:15
so1"digital divide"10:15
so1maybe it would be better to fix up checkinstall ...10:16
mok0If you want quick-n-easy packaging, you need to go to the RPM world10:16
so1mh no ,,,10:16
so1no way...10:16
mok0Fedora 10:16
mok0Well, there you are10:16
so1rpm reminds me of suse ...10:16
mok0the hard work is up front, with the packager10:16
so1i just don't like the idea of checkinstall <----> debuild10:17
so1that reminds me of win xp home <-----> professional ...10:17
mok0like I said, I don't know checkinstall, but someone said it is evil10:18
so1to keep consumers and developers/producer/worker/professionals apart ...10:18
so1yeah i heard that too ...10:18
mok0Your project is doable10:18
mok0but you need guidance10:19
so1checkinstall is so widely used because it normally works and it's easy to understand10:19
so1it's doable for casual users, with checkinstall they maxbe need 1 minte to build a deb ...10:19
mok0I've worked 25 years with unix and never heard of it10:19
so1but debuild is highly advanced ...10:19
so1then try it10:20
so1download a normal source ...10:20
mok0once you've edited the files in debian, you just cd .. and do: debuild10:20
so1no need for dsc etc ...10:20
mok0never mind10:20
so1./configure && make && sudo checkinstall10:20
mok0just do debuild and distribute the .debs to your friends10:21
man-diso1: both tools are for different user groups10:21
so1then there comes a dialog where you can modify things like email, dependencies, packagename etc10:21
so1yes i know ... and i don't like that division10:21
mok0configure && make && make install is done by debian/rules10:21
so1if checkinstall is evil, it should be fixed up ...10:21
so1because normal users will never bother with debuild/pbuilder10:22
mok0you don't need pbuilder10:22
persiaso1: Is there a nice guide to checkinstall with screenshots and the like?10:22
so1the good thing about ubuntu is, that you will always find a deb10:22
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man-diso1: checkinstall has its users, but looking for them among packagers is like fighting against windmills10:22
so1persia: you won't need that10:22
so1it's as easy as it can get10:23
so1it might be possible that there is a guide10:23
so1but i never needed that10:23
so1checkinstall is selfexplanatory10:23
mok0back to basics: what is the diff between gimp 2.2 and 2.3??10:23
so1quite much i think ...10:24
so1one is the stable version, one the development which will become 2.410:24
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so1ok, but o have to go now ...10:24
crimsun...if checkinstall is dumping things like ld and nm into the deb, uh, I think it has much more serious problems.10:24
so1see you tomorrow10:24
so1no, i think that ubuntu broke something10:24
so1it always worked since around the time gimp 2.3.16 came out10:25
keescookany kubuntu users around?  what application launches when a non-disk usb camera gets plugged in?10:25
crimsunkeescook: not #kubuntu-devel ?10:25
so1it always worked UNTIL around the time gimp 2.3.16 came out10:25
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crimsunI have no idea why anyone would checkinstall 2.3.16 anyhow10:26
so1surely ubuntu broke something in an update10:26
mok0so1: dont understand10:26
shawarmaStevenK: Around?10:26
crimsunthere's a known-good, working Debian source package for 2.3.16-2 in Debian experimental10:26
so1at that time there was no gimp 2.3.1610:26
so1i always built the packages some hours after they were released10:27
so1but now it doesn't work anymore10:27
shawarmaI've noticed that the copyright holders of the .po files are *very* often left out of debian/copyright.. Is this just the way it is? Is it policy? What gives?10:27
mok0must be changes in the upstream source10:27
so1checkinstall doesn't work anymore snce april ...10:28
crimsunshawarma: they should be listed in the *.po, but yes, it does seem inconsistent.10:28
so1but i couldn't identify the package which broke it yet10:29
shawarmacrimsun: So there's no particular reason, but just customary..10:29
crimsunshawarma: AFAICT10:29
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crimsunso1: hmm, the merge from Debian indicates only two changes10:29
crimsunthe use of /usr/bin/which (as opposed to a shell built-in) and the addition of make as a Dependency10:29
so1ok ...10:29
crimsunso if checkinstall is truly broken, then something is broken in the original source package, which I'm finding a bit difficult to see10:30
so1the problem is, it could just be anything ...10:30
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crimsunthat's not to say that checkinstall itself isn't broken10:30
so1 compiler, linker, autotools, etc ...10:30
crimsunI don't think it's anywhere that invasive10:31
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crimsunif so, we'd have massive toolchain issues in addition to a completely broken archive10:31
so1mh yeah, maybe just a bugfix in a gnutool which triggered a bug in checkinstall10:31
mok0so1: you can file a bug report10:31
so1maybe checkinstall depended on a undefined behavior which was fixed recently ...10:32
so1ok, tomorrow ...10:32
RainCTgood night10:32
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so1i hate it ...10:38
so1it was so easy with checkinstall ...10:38
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mok0so1: debian package guidelines are meant to protect users from breakage10:40
so1in the last two months more than 2000 people donwloaded my gimp packages ,,,10:40
mok0so, you are tracking gimp developement closely?10:41
so1yes ...10:41
so1normally my packages are a few ours behind the current release10:42
mok0what version is it that your users have downloaded?10:42
so12.3.15 and 2.3.1610:42
so1i didn't package 2.3.17 because of the crasher10:42
so1and now people are waiting for my gimp 2.3.18 package ...10:43
mok0so, you are complaining that something's changed recently in ubuntu?10:43
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so1yes ...10:43
so1something caused checkinstall to malfunction ...10:43
so1on both10:43
so1on my pc (i386)10:43
mok0what did you use to do when updating a package?10:43
so1and laptop (amd64)10:43
crimsunplease don't use checkinstall if you know it's broken.10:44
mok0You used to use checkinstall?10:44
so1download the source package from gimp.org10:44
so1./configure && make && sudo checkinstall -> upload10:44
mok0you need to file a bug report against checkinstall10:44
so1yeah ok10:44
so1crimsun: i don't use it anymore ...10:44
so1because it's broken10:44
crimsunif your users are frothing at the mouth, I'd use uupdate10:44
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so1yes, but i can't distribute it as "gimp"10:45
so1that will overwrite their packages10:45
mok0I'd tell'em to use PhotoShop... 10:45
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crimsunso1: of course you can distribute it as gimp10:45
crimsunsee, this is one of the problems with checkinstall10:45
so1it will overwrite the officail gimp-2.210:45
so1but if i install it as "gimp" it will overwrite it10:46
mok0yes, but does it matter'10:46
crimsunits users have no motivation to learn about Conflicts and other Debian source package protocol.10:46
so1dpkg can't handle two different packages with the same name10:46
crimsunyes it can10:46
crimsunI just told you the precise field10:47
so1if you mean, it will try to update the one with the other than yes10:47
so1but you can't have two "gimp"s installed10:47
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so1conflicts won't help, because that will remove the old gimp 2.2 package10:47
crimsunoh, you mean concurrently installed? No, that's bad.10:47
so1yes exactly10:48
crimsunjust name it something else10:48
so1thats waht i'm atlking about since hours10:48
mok0you need pretty advance packaging to have two different versions10:48
so1yes exactly -----------> gimp-2.310:48
mok0I'd suggest gimp23 then10:48
crimsunso1: what release is this for?10:48
crimsunso1: because gimp already exists as 2.3.16-2 in Debian experimental10:48
so1mok0: as long as checkinstall worked that was a matter of seconds to change the fieldname from "gimp" to "gimp-2.3"10:49
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mok0your package will be gimp23_2.3_i385.deb10:49
crimsunso1: it's not any worse in Debian.  You edit one field in the appropriate files.10:49
so1mok0 told me, i would have to rename the hole debian directory ...10:50
crimsunyou need to be very careful if you're maintaining third-party packages that already exist in Debian and its derivatives10:50
mok0change gimp -> gimp23 -> change names of files in debian/10:50
crimsunyou do not have to rename the directory10:50
mok0and in control10:50
so1see the prolem?10:50
crimsunit's the content of debian/* that matters, not the name of the extracted source dir10:50
mok0piece of cake10:50
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soci HATE pidgin10:52
soci always loose the connection10:52
mok0when was the split?10:53
socsome seconds ago ...10:53
soc"so1" == "soc"10:53
mok0Anyways: rename gimp-> gimp23 -> edit control, rename all files in debian called gimp.* ->  gimp23.*10:55
azeemmok0: there's already a gimp-2.3 package, why do you want to fundamentally change it?10:55
azeemeh, I guess that was for soc10:55
crimsunhe wants them parallel-installable10:56
azeemoh well, I didn't read scrollback10:56
azeemto be uploaded to ubuntu?10:56
mok0no obvously :-)10:56
azeemsoc: or for your own leisure?10:56
azeemah, /me doesn't mind then10:56
socazeem: i provide some (2000) friends with always up-to-date packages ...10:57
socwhat's wrong with checkinstall btw?10:57
azeemsoc: did you see the part about gimp-2.3.17 being broken?10:57
socyes ...10:57
soci didn't package it at all10:58
socit's not a problem with gimp, but with checkinstall ...10:58
socand because checkinstall is broken i'm trying to learn proper packaging with debuild10:58
socbut that seems not that easy though ...10:58
soccould you explain what exactly is evil with checkinstall?10:59
socmaybe i'll understand it ...10:59
socthat would help me to use debuild :-)11:00
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crimsuncheckinstall has generated broken packages11:00
crimsunI didn't say it was evil, I said it is foolish to use checkinstall when there is an existing 2.3.16 source package in Debian11:01
socbut there is no 2.3.18 ...11:01
crimsunso take it, and use uupdate11:01
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socbut that is 10 times more complicated than checkinstall ...11:02
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soc^approximately :-)11:02
crimsunand at at least 10^6 times "easier" than doing it from scratch.11:02
man-disoc: and produces 100 times better packages11:02
socwhat's better about them?11:02
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man-disoc: e.g. correct dependencies11:03
man-dior at least better dependencies11:03
socyou can specify them in checkinstall too11:03
azeembut you'd need to start from scratch11:03
man-disoc: in debian package you already have them11:04
soci might just copy them from the dsc file11:04
crimsundoes checkinstall handle shlibdeps?11:04
man-disoc: with checkinstall you start everytime from scratch11:04
man-dicrimsun: nope11:04
sochave no problem with that :-)11:04
crimsunright, that's at least one potential disaster11:04
soctakes approximately 1 minute ...11:04
mok0soc: you just said you'd like to learn proper debian packaging: it take some effort11:05
soccompared to the countless hours i'm just trying tu _understand_ how debuild/pbuilder etc. work11:05
crimsunsoc: we all started there11:05
AndyPunderstanding is good11:05
socok, that makes me more comfortable11:05
socyes i know11:05
socbut for now my top priority is that those people waiting for my package get it within hours of the release11:06
mok0so: let's agree about you forget about checkinstall11:06
socnr 2 is debian packaging11:06
socif i combine those two, it would be nice .-..11:06
crimsunso take the Debian source package for 2.3.16-2 and work with it.11:06
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socso rename all gimp-files to gimp-2.311:07
mok0your users are not served well if your packages one day break their systems11:07
socyeah ... but it worked for a half year :-)11:07
socok ...11:07
socrename all gimp-files to gimp-2.3 <--- is there something INSIDE which i have to rename, too=11:08
mok0Ahhh.... half a year... let's talk about 5 years11:08
mok0in debian/contral11:08
socthen modify control11:08
socso inside control11:08
socand the rest just the filename11:09
mok0and all files in debian named "gimp.*"11:09
mok0and libgimp.*11:09
socbtw. how do i have to change control so that it just generates a big gimp-2.3 package and not 10 small ones?11:09
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mok0Oh, that's a huge project11:10
socdownloading and installing them manually is pita11:10
man-disoc: famous last words: ... but it worked in the past11:10
soc(about repositories we'll talk later)11:10
mok0most of us use apt11:10
soc(23:10:22) soc: (about repositories we'll talk later)11:10
socmy fear is, that if i know change the packaging AND the distribution nothing works in the end11:11
mok0soc: we're not getting anywhere11:11
socso i would like to sort out the packaging first, then maybe if it works i'll set up a repo11:11
socwould that be acceptable?11:12
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mok0netsplit, huh?11:12
socdid i already mention that i hate pidgin? :-P11:12
socyeah ---11:12
mok0well, you're kinda bitchin that checkinstall doesn't work, you say you wanna learn proper packaging and then you say that it's too difficult11:13
soci just have some webspace, but for setting up a repo i would need my own server, wouldn't i?11:13
socmy problem is, that people wait for my packages ...11:14
socand i will do everything necessary so they will get them11:14
socif that means debain packaging, ok11:14
soci will do it11:14
soci just have some different priorities ...11:14
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man-diyou dont really need your own server, you can create a repo on your host and then rsync/ftp/whatever the result to your webspace11:14
mok0we've told you what to do11:14
socso for instance "falcon" would be able to install it from remote?11:15
socjust with http/ftp?11:15
man-dianyway, enough hacking for today, good nite all11:15
mok0if he/she knows the exact URI11:15
mok0night, crimsun11:16
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mok0man-di, night!11:16
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socnight, madi11:16
socproblem is i don't really have a change starting to learn it with a simple package, because i exactly need gimp :-(11:17
mok0gimp is a complicated package11:17
azeemsoc: I'm curious, what's the new features in .18 compared to .16?11:17
socdon't know ...11:18
soc-> changelog11:18
soci'm just doing people a favor11:18
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soci'm no artist ...11:18
mok0lol = laughing my legs off11:18
soc95% of my time with gimp i'm resizing some holiday pics or so ...11:19
mok0laugh off legs11:19
xxxxx1bye all11:19
mok0luckily we still have xxxxx211:20
socwhy are people laughing at me? :-)11:20
mok0It's all in good fun11:20
socyeah, i know ...11:21
socis there maybe a simple package which needs a maintainer?11:21
jmgcheck the rfps11:21
mok0Lots and lots11:22
TheMusosiretart: No, not for any great length of time.11:23
mok0TheMuso: Errrrr?11:23
TheMusomok0: siretart contacted me earlier about something, so I am just replying to him.11:23
socmh  ... nothing interesting ...11:24
socexaile, listen those things are already in ubuntu, aren't they?11:24
socexaile even has its own repo :-/11:24
crimsunyes, they are already in Debian and in Ubuntu.11:25
AndyPhm, out of my depth with this rt2500 bug... i think i'll just file a bug with my findings so far and hope someone with more clue than i finds it11:25
socmh ...ok11:26
sochow about the kernels?11:26
crimsunthe what?11:26
sochas hurd a maintainer already?11:26
crimsunthere is a kernel team11:27
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mok0Yeah, hurd has 1 maintainer and 1 user11:27
socah ok ...11:27
socthe same person?11:27
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soclet me guess ...11:27
socduke nukem?11:27
AndyPand a fanboy (bddebian) :)11:27
mok0That is yet to be determined11:27
socbooting ..........11:27
BlueDevilhello, please build a desktop kernel with HIGHMEM 64GB support :)11:28
socduke nukem forever logged in at hurd release 12.12.208911:28
azeemsoc: the hurd package already has a maintainer11:28
socdamn :-(11:28
mok0Hello, duke? duke? DUKE? DUUUUUKKKEEEE?11:29
mok0laughing off legs11:29
soci don't think that 64gb and desktop fit together11:29
BlueDevilwhy not?11:29
socyou see ...11:29
socdesk-top ...11:29
socwould you place your machine with 64gb on a desk?11:29
socwould be a bit too heavy ....11:30
BlueDevilok, deskbottom :)11:30
socbut ... of course better than lap-top ...11:30
mok0Better be a damn solid desk11:30
socwho would want to place his 64gb machine on his lap ...11:30
BlueDevili'm close to kicking it...11:30
sockick-top hay yet to be invented11:31
BlueDevilbeen trying to build than damn kernel forever11:31
socbtw why?11:31
mok0apt-get install kernel11:31
BlueDevilit won't see more than 2GB without highmem 64gb support11:31
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BlueDevilthe bios configures a hole in the 2gb-4gb range11:32
crevetteapt-get uses 100% inside  pubuilder, could you help me to solve that11:32
BlueDeviland the generic kernel can only address 4gb11:32
mok0I though himem support meant > 640 Kb11:32
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SlimGWhat character encoding is required for /usr/share/man/man6/ manuals?11:33
BlueDevilso my kernel addresses 2GB of memory and 2GB of nothing11:33
BlueDevildamn frustrating11:34
mok0BlueDevil: reality is cruel11:34
BlueDevili feel like i'm on gentoo11:34
crimsunBlueDevil: we don't care for the kernel11:34
BlueDevilje sais11:34
crimsunwell, most of us don't11:34
BlueDevilis there motm?11:35
SlimG#ubuntu-motm ;)11:35
mok0Most of us don't have > 2 Gb RAM11:35
crimsunno, there's the Ubuntu Kernel Team.  We're in #ubuntu-kernel11:35
BlueDevilwhy?! why?! why?! :)11:35
mok0motm -> mothers of the metaphor?11:35
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BlueDevilcrimsun: any idea why was EXTRAVERSION = .3ubuntu1 defined in the 2.6.20-19 source?11:38
crimsunI asked that a while ago, and I don't remember the answer11:38
shawarmaStevenK: Around?11:39
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crimsunshawarma: I think it's still very, very early in the A.M. for him11:40
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shawarmacrimsun: I forget where he is..11:40
shawarmacrimsun: I've got a stack of stuff that could use a review, by the way. If you do it, I'll fix your favorite server bug. :)11:41
crimsunas in stuff on revu?  which ones?  I'm at work, but I can look tonight.11:42
shawarmacrimsun: Just look for "soren@ubuntu.com". A stack (5-6 or so) perl things, and a python app.11:42
shawarmacrimsun: I'm pretty sure, they're good to go, I just need an ACK on them.11:43
mok0goodnight, folks!11:43
socthx for your help11:43
mok0Hope it helps11:44
soci'll try things tomorrow11:44
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geserAndyP: about the rt2500 FTBFS: have to tried to add #include <linux/if.h> before wireless.h?11:46
geserlinux/if.h defined IFNAMSIZ11:46
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ScottK-laptopWho do I subscribe to a proposed SRU for Feisty once I have a feisty-proposed debdiff?  It isn't clear to me from the wiki.11:58
crimsunyou don't subscribe anyone11:58
crimsunyou handle it from there11:58
ScottK-laptopOK.  I'll upload it then.  Thanks.12:00
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BlueDevilcrimsun: is usually anyone alive on ubuntu-kernel?12:03
crimsunyes, but it's very sporadic12:03
ScottK-laptopcrimsun: You find a place to live yet?12:03
crimsunScottK-laptop: not yet12:04
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BlueDevilso, it's likely that someone will read my msgs...12:04
crimsunScottK-laptop: yep, will do.  Lots to wrap up first.12:04
Q-FUNKhm. where in debian/rules would i normally put the deletion of *.la that the upstream makefile automaticlly installs to destdir?12:05
Burgundaviashawarma: ping12:05
geserQ-FUNK: iirc the install target12:08
crimsunwell, anytime before dh_installdeb(1) if debhelper is used12:09
crimsunmost will nuke them in install or binary-*12:09
Q-FUNKright, so install:: then12:10
Q-FUNKvery stubborn autotools that insist upon telling the Makefile to install everything and the kitchen sink to /usr/lib/12:12
shawarmaBurgundavia: pong12:12
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Burgundaviashawarma: are you packaging ebox? have you decided on a sysadmin framework?12:13
shawarmaBurgundavia: Yes and almost.12:13
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