[00:01] i love spending my friday nights in airports [00:09] jjesse: not managed to blag your way into the lounge? [00:10] Riddell: not yet, pretty soon i qualify for free access [00:10] at least with United Airlines [00:20] stdin: new koffice2 1.9.95.1 uploaded [00:20] * Riddell snoozes [00:21] Riddell thansk sfor writing [00:21] off to find dinner [00:29] is it rude to want to laugh at people who stroll up to the boarding gate in the airport and ask if the plane has left after there have been at least 4 final calls/ [00:36] it's not rude, as long as they don't see ;) [00:36] thanks [00:37] did you ever get a full kubuntu team member yeet? [00:38] yep, I even got the @ubuntu/member/stdin cloak :) [00:38] that's exciting [00:38] i just found out about that the other day [00:38] and had to add it to my setup [00:39] I got mine pretty quick, just poked nalioth in -ops :p [00:40] turns out he uses the kde4 packages I made too [00:40] that's cool [00:40] * crimsun chuckles at the cloaks [00:40] stdin were you at UDS and if so did we meet? [00:41] no I wan't there [00:41] * stdin has some nice lag... [00:42] o'hare airport wireless is actually prtty good [00:42] it happens every time I upload koffice2, or anything large like that [00:42] it's going between 2-3 secs [00:42] is that because you are on a limit? [00:42] * jjesse_ ran into the tcp windo scaling problem at his hotel [00:43] no, just because my internet sucks :p [00:43] ooo flight is boarding have a good night [00:43] I have a decent downstrem 3.5Mbit/s [00:43] but upstream is sloooow [00:43] cya jjesse_ [00:43] fly safe [00:44] unfortunately he has little control over that. [00:44] reverse it and change "fly" to "flight", that makes more sense === uga|away is now known as uga === HamishTPB- is now known as HamishTPB [03:21] Riddell: just so you know, there's a missing epoch on koffice2 as well :p [03:22] * Hobbsee wonders what you did with the -kde4 stuff [03:22] * Hobbsee goes to read backscroll [03:22] i hadn't told you guys about it, as i'd not finished it :P [03:22] Hobbsee: we used your kubuntu-members-kde4 team :) [03:23] stdin: i see that :) [03:23] something about councils not liking kde4 ppa spam [03:23] stdin: was planning to get cprov to copy over some of the sources and binaries [03:23] uh...that won't help you [03:24] did you get more mail, after i asked people to poke me if they got more? [03:24] Hobbsee: I don't know, I wan't a member then [03:24] this was a few days ago [03:24] oh, well I haven't gotten any then [03:25] they turned mail off [03:25] we were going to setup a team ourself's kde4-packages or something, but then I saw yours there so just used that [03:26] Riddell: have you had anything since we last discussed the mail situation? [03:27] stdin: did you get failure mail for today's kdepimlibs? [03:27] Hobbsee: nope, only ones I got were from the ppa packages I uploaded [03:28] unless gmail thought it was spam [03:28] were those kdepimlibs ppa packages that you uploaded? [03:29] I uploaded everything to the -kde4 ppa, nothing to the normal kubuntu-members one [03:29] * Source Package: kde4libs [03:29] * Version: 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1 [03:29] * Architecture: amd64 [03:29] * Archive: kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA [03:29] * Component: main [03:29] * State: Failed to build [03:29] yep -kde4 one was me [03:29] * Duration: a minute [03:29] * Build Log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10792484/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A3.97.0-1ubuntu1%7Egutsy1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [03:30] * Builder: https://launchpad.net/+builds/platinum [03:30] * Source: not available [03:30] so, did you get that mail yourself? [03:30] yeah [03:30] i didn't ask if you *uploaded* it, i asked if you got a *failure mail* to your personal email. [03:30] so, you did? [03:31] then we should check if Riddell also got a failure mail. [03:36] if Riddell really didn't get mail, then it's safe to add the team back [03:36] as the mailout is now working [03:36] assuming launchpad doesn't die again [03:37] * Hobbsee did not get mail to her normal bugmail [03:39] wow, hell of a crash there === stdin_ is now known as stdin [03:39] * Hobbsee wonders what the point of asking people to tell her things is, if they go and ignroe it, and then create different problems. [03:48] * Hobbsee sends a mail to the ML in the hope that people actually read and obey it. [03:53] stdin: you can probably get the LP admins to copy packages over, instead of reuploading them [03:54] Hobbsee: doesn't matter any more, the're all uploaded [03:54] but that would have been a bit easier [03:54] which is *precisely* one of the reasons where i had not made that team public. [03:54] s/where/why/ [08:49] Riddell: kdebase-runtime seems to make symlinks in /usr/bin to the apps in /usr/lib/kde4/bin :/ from binary-post-install/kdebase-runtime-bin:: and binary-post-install/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4:: in debian/rules [08:50] and kdebase-* ftbfs on everything except i386 [08:50] oh, and koffice2 ftbfs on all [09:36] hello yuriy [09:42] moin all [09:48] stdin: mm, ok [09:52] stdin: you should be using soprano 1.98 [09:56] good morning to all of you [10:02] gm mhb === aRyn_ is now known as aRyn === Shely is now known as iE18 === pgquiles_ is now known as pgquiles [11:05] silent as every weekend, eh? [11:06] yup [11:06] * txwikinger still tired from a 5h meeting last night [11:07] txwikinger: was it related to kubuntu? [11:07] mhb: yes [11:08] txwikinger: what was it then? [11:08] the monthly CC for kubuntu-de.org [11:08] how is -de going? [11:08] stdin: more broke [11:09] well.. we just restructured the organisation and now we change the portal and wiki and so on [11:09] I think it is going well [11:11] stdin: please see https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all for the borken stuff [11:21] stdin: new kdebase-runtime uploaded [11:22] I really wish the packages in universe would actually build [11:27] why don't they? [11:27] Riddell: did you get any mail over the failed build bits from today? [11:30] Hobbsee: don't seem to have [11:30] Hobbsee: buildds busy with main packages I suppose [11:30] Riddell: good. [11:31] Riddell: and you didn't get it, because i black holed it to a folder in my email. [11:31] Riddell: did you get anything after i asked "if anyone gets any more wrongly-sent mail from LP, please tell me"? [11:32] no [11:32] good. [11:32] in which case, it's fine to add kubuntu-members to kubuntu-members-kde4, and the council as admins. === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee === Scorcere1 is now known as Scorcerer [12:17] what happens when you upgrade dapper to gutsy skipping intermediate releases? [12:17] my gf's father machine still runs dapper [12:18] and going thru all releases is out of question on a 500k link [12:20] buz: what happens? [12:21] nobody really knows :o) [12:21] but I'd expect some breakage [12:21] buz: lack of transitions [12:21] breakage like what [12:21] like system not booting anymore [12:22] file overwrites, etc [12:22] or more like "you have to force aptitude to do its job" [12:22] the latter [12:22] I'd expect some manual fixing, but the system should hopefully start [12:22] i suppose i could live with that [12:23] lets see what aptitude complains about [12:24] mhh i have a kubuntu-desktop iso on my notebook, but of course no cdr handy [12:25] aptitude wont even suggest a solution :P [12:30] Riddell: I uploaded the new -runtime, and the packages are using soprano 1.98, yes [13:10] ah..../me loves success stories http://hurricanelabs.blogspot.com/2007/12/my-first-blog-novel-life-with-linux.html [13:13] Riddell: but the way, removing kdelibs5 doesn't seem to remove all kde4 packages, some -data ones left over. I get this after removing kdelibs5 http://stdin.pastebin.com/d429d684a [13:24] I have a question about kbluetooth [13:24] Namely: kbtobexsrv is NOT included in the deb [13:25] so I can't send file from phones to PC or back [13:25] Is there hope for a fix, since the bug is fixed for Hardy? === RobertoM is now known as RobM_[away] === RobM_[away] is now known as RobertoM === iE18 is now known as iEl7 === iEl7 is now known as iE18 === RobertoM is now known as RobertoM_[away] === _czessi is now known as Czessi [15:04] * mhb yawns [15:50] * Hobbsee wonders when the terms for the council are up [15:57] Hobbsee: 2008-07-29 [15:57] erm, what year is it now? [15:57] oh, 07. [15:57] right. that's ages away [15:57] we still have 07 for a few days [15:58] yeah, that's when you & tonio expire. [15:58] our vista-loving friends are here until 2009-05-20 [15:58] !visternal [15:58] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [15:59] hmm [15:59] now, he was saying something last night, i think, that he wouldn't do with me being here... [15:59] !nixternal [16:42] Hobbsee: who snitched on me :p [16:42] no one. [16:42] hehe [16:42] * Hobbsee logs :P === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick [17:31] Hello, I have found the error that prevents launch of KDE 4 full session. Xterm gives this error "can't open /share/config/startupconfig". Is it useful for you? [17:32] maini10: do you have all the packages installed that you need? [17:32] Yes, at least i think [17:34] maini10: is this with a clean ~/.kde4? [17:36] Yes [17:36] maini10: and did you do all of those export lines? [17:38] nosrednaekim: I don't know how to digit tilde in xterm, so I have used /home/marco/.kde4 as KDEHOME [17:39] the tilda is right above the tab key usually. [17:40] nosrednaekim: thanks, now I have typed the correct line, but it doesn't work [17:41] hum [17:43] the previous line before the error is "kdostartupconfig (5594) main: running kdostartupconfig" [17:43] maini10: la tilde la fai con ALT GR + ì (vicino al backspace) [17:45] elisiano: thanks [17:47] maini10: Do you have dbus-x11 installed, if not, install it. [17:48] ScottK: yes, dbus is installed [17:49] maini10: dbus-x11 is a separate package [17:50] yes, i meant dbus-x11 is installed [17:52] OK. Well that's my only idea. [17:52] ScottK: thanks [17:54] are the kde4 packages (3.96) in gutsy-backports the same as the ones from stdin ? [17:59] mikkael: they are the same [18:00] stdin: i guess there is nor more recent snapshot compiled against gutsy somewhere (a ppa maybe) ? [18:00] mikkael: not that I know of... although RC2 should be coming out real soon [18:01] yep, RC2 isn't far off [18:01] ah cool [18:02] i liked 3.96 very much, but not the state of the kicker replacement/plasma [18:03] hopefully we'll see an improvement in 3.97.0 [18:08] im confident [18:13] I installed KDE4 RC1 (3.96), but the "about KDE" dialogs show Beta4! Is this normal? === jeroenvrp2 is now known as jeroenvrp [18:20] jeroenvrp: yes [18:21] stdin: ok thanks [18:21] I was wondering :-) === cheguevara is now known as CheGuevara [19:55] Riddell: remember our dear friend "some UTF-8 characters (like the dot in passwords) render really badly?" [19:55] it has paid us one more visit, it seems. === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi [21:24] mhb: where's that? [21:26] Is there a standard way to deal with a .desktop file for a package that needs root so that it will work when called from both Ubuntu and Kubuntu (it's a gtk package). [21:27] ScottK: ubuntu gnome uses the KDE key [21:28] So if it calls kdesudo packagename Gnome will figure it out? [21:32] Riddell: hardy [21:33] Riddell: I have all the updates, AFAIK. [21:36] Riddell: especially notable here when you go to kdm and type in your password === mayeco is now known as mayec === mayec is now known as mayeco [21:36] could someone confirm or deny it? [21:37] hmmm were KDE 4 RC2 packages meant to make all kde4 menu entries appear in kde 3 [21:37] mhb what are the steps to reproduce [21:38] CheGuevara: if you have hardy, the steps are easier: update, log out, see what happens when you type in your password [21:38] if the font is messed up, I win [21:38] if not, you win [21:39] the big password dots in kdm ? [21:39] yeah, like really big and ugly [21:39] yep [21:39] you win :P [21:39] yay for me! [21:39] :o) [21:40] changed a couple of days ago [21:41] Riddell: any patch of significance that has been introduced to Qt in the last few days? [21:42] or dropped [21:43] mhb: I'm not sure we're thinking of the same bug [21:43] can you get me a screenshot [21:43] there's not been a qt upload recently [21:43] Riddell: didn't we have this sort of behaviour before, when some UTF-8 characters were rendered incorrectly? [21:43] if my memory isn't failing me, kcharmap produced nice screenshots, let me fire it up [21:44] yeah that bug existed before i am sure [21:44] in fiesty i think [21:44] could it be fontconfig? [21:45] could be, yes [21:45] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/002770.html [21:45] this one [21:48] Riddell: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ugly-fonts.png [21:48] CheGuevara: you're good. [21:50] see you folks, it's saturday night's date time for me. [21:51] Riddell, want me to get an old version of fontconfig and see if its that [21:55] hi. i'm testing hardy. is there a possibility to start kde4 without composite? [22:00] i didn't find a way, though there is one [22:00] had to disable composite in xorg.conf [22:01] otherwise rc 2 doesn't start properly [22:02] jikes. xorg does not have a composite entry [22:02] Section "Extensions" [22:02] Option "Composite" "Disable" [22:02] EndSection [22:03] thx ^^ [22:03] np [22:03] should let you start kde 4 now [22:06] jep it works now [22:06] i guess someone is already fixing the startkde4? [22:07] to correct which bug? [22:12] there are some errors in it. the export varibables are issued before the #!/bin/sh and there is a wrong PATH variable [22:13] brb [22:20] oh yeah there's a typo in path [22:20] ah ok ^^ [22:21] so... now a have a running system. how can i help the project? [22:46] CheGuevara: sure [22:48] mhb: it's not antialiased? === aRyn_ is now known as aRyn [23:25] Riddell: yeah, but only those buttons. [23:25] other fonts look fine. [23:31] mhb: previously that character didn't show at all [23:33] Riddell: oh it did, but it was a different thing, you're right [23:33] it got replaces with a similar character but not quite the same [23:33] smallercircle [23:33] the size of it changed, I guess. Now it's also really huge - much bigger than usual, my nine-letter password fits in much worse. [23:33] yeah, it's a different character [23:34] so actually something got fixed, but not entirely [23:37] I'll check the Cuban revolutionary's theory