| 00:01 | L1pe | hi everyone |
| 00:01 | DPic | hello |
| 00:01 | xnox | heya |
| 00:02 | DPic | alrighty, so how many people are here for the marketing team meeting? |
| 00:03 | xnox | 3? =D |
| 00:03 | L1pe | :) |
| 00:04 | DPic | i hope the DST change didn't confuse people, emmajane was patient enough to wait an hour |
| 00:04 | xnox | Huh? |
| 00:04 | emmajane | I'm not sure how long I can stay though. :/ |
| 00:05 | boredandblogging | hello |
| * xnox 's clock bangs midnight |
| 00:05 | DPic | xnox: she came at 7pm EST when it's really 8pm EST now that daylight savings time is over |
| 00:05 | xnox | Ahhhh now it makes sence |
| 00:06 | DPic | :) |
| 00:06 | DPic | here's the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-03-26 |
| 00:06 | DPic | it's short but i'm sure well have more to talk about |
| 00:07 | boredandblogging | i gotta run soon |
| 00:07 | boredandblogging | so let me mention the gerry carr thing |
| 00:07 | boredandblogging | we might get a heads up on the 8.04 press release |
| 00:07 | boredandblogging | minus the official canonical quotes |
| 00:08 | boredandblogging | so we can pass them out to locos to translate as needed |
| 00:08 | DPic | awesome |
| 00:08 | boredandblogging | or stick them in press kits or whatever |
| 00:08 | DPic | so will we get an email when that happens? |
| 00:09 | boredandblogging | yeah, I'll email the marketing and loco-contacts lists |
| 00:09 | boredandblogging | if gerry doesn't do it himself |
| 00:09 | DPic | great |
| 00:09 | DPic | do you have any idea when this will happen? |
| 00:09 | xnox | 23 April 23:59 UTC? =D |
| 00:10 | boredandblogging | hah |
| 00:10 | boredandblogging | yeah, I'll start bugging him in a couple of weeks |
| 00:10 | boredandblogging | but yeah, I want to get it as soon as possible too |
| 00:11 | boredandblogging | thats all I got |
| 00:11 | DPic | alright. and since it seems like a couple people are having to leave early, is this time generally bad or is it just today? would it help to have meetings one hour earlier? |
| 00:11 | boredandblogging | time is fine |
| 00:11 | DPic | okay |
| 00:11 | boredandblogging | but |
| 00:11 | emmajane | an hour earlier would have been great :) |
| 00:12 | xnox | an hour earlier as well would be better |
| 00:12 | boredandblogging | yeah, think its tough for people in Europe to make it |
| 00:12 | DPic | emmajane: today, or for future meetings? |
| 00:12 | DPic | okay i'll make it an hour earlier |
| 00:12 | emmajane | 7PM is good for me because it gives me time to get to the gym afterwards :) |
| 00:12 | xnox | Cool =D |
| 00:12 | emmajane | and the reminder was great |
| 00:12 | DPic | and is it okay with everyone that i've made meeting monthly now instead of every two weeks? |
| 00:12 | emmajane | EST/DST thing did screw me up. I nver think about the difference. |
| 00:13 | xnox | DPic: 1 a month is plenty? Isn't it? |
| 00:13 | boredandblogging | should we have meetings before hardy? |
| 00:13 | DPic | i think so |
| 00:14 | DPic | hmm maybe a special meeting two weeks from now just because of the Hardy release? |
| 00:15 | boredandblogging | sure |
| 00:15 | emmajane | works for me |
| 00:15 | xnox | fine |
| 00:15 | DPic | alright then |
| 00:15 | DPic | now, first thing on the agenda is to talk about fliers |
| 00:15 | DPic | we have a few here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials |
| 00:16 | DPic | but i would definitely like to see more. any ideas on who else we can contact? |
| 00:17 | boredandblogging | most of the people who used to do that stuff arent' that active in -marketing anymore |
| 00:18 | DPic | i sent an email to the loco-contacts list which included a link to that page and we got one person to add their work |
| 00:18 | DPic | would it be worth contacting the artwork team? |
| 00:18 | boredandblogging | don't see the old DIY page on the Materials page |
| 00:19 | xnox | I will try to come with something. Although I'm not great artist =D |
| 00:19 | boredandblogging | no wait |
| 00:19 | boredandblogging | its there |
| 00:19 | DPic | the materials page has all of the work from the DIY page i think |
| 00:19 | boredandblogging | cool |
| 00:19 | xnox | no it doesn't https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?highlight=%28DIY%29 |
| 00:19 | DPic | could someone contact the artwork ream? |
| 00:20 | DPic | xnox: alright i'll work on copying stuff over |
| 00:21 | xnox | I'll contact artwork team :P |
| 00:21 | DPic | xnox: thanks |
| 00:22 | DPic | is there anything else we should do as far as fliers go? |
| 00:23 | xnox | 2 weeks before hardy send links to all Loco teams to remind them there is something to use =D |
| 00:23 | DPic | yeah, i'll be reminded to do that at our next meeting |
| 00:23 | boredandblogging | i gotta head out, will read the backlog later |
| 00:23 | DPic | okay thanks for coming |
| 00:23 | xnox | bye! |
| * xnox still here though |
| 00:24 | DPic | i got an email from someone asking if there were any big events planned for the hardy release |
| 00:24 | DPic | i told them that i didn't know but i'd ask here if there were and if not, who to contact about making arrangements |
| * xnox is in UK and it seems dead |
| 00:25 | L1pe | DPic: well there are parties everywhere |
| 00:26 | DPic | yes, but i'm pretty sure he meant like a BIG event |
| * johnc4510 sorry late |
| * xnox most of the LUG's anyway around where I live are dead |
| 00:27 | DPic | johnc4510: no problem. did you read up on what you missed? |
| 00:27 | xnox | I've heard of BIG events in China =D |
| 00:27 | johnc4510 | doing that now |
| 00:27 | xnox | but I'm never gonna get there =( |
| 00:27 | DPic | johnc4510: okay cool, if you have anything to add, please do |
| 00:27 | DPic | xnox: well, are there any people who would be able to set up such an event? |
| 00:28 | xnox | not really |
| 00:28 | DPic | alright i'll let him know |
| 00:28 | DPic | my reply is already like a month late :/ |
| 00:29 | L1pe | I think that 50 parties arround the world is a BIG event... |
| 00:29 | DPic | L1pe: yeah but he's looking for one big event |
| 00:29 | johnc4510 | DPic: we should get the link to the teams as soon as possible for the flyer, so they can start printing and handing them out |
| 00:30 | DPic | johnc4510: the fliers that exist now talk about hardy as if it's already been released |
| 00:30 | johnc4510 | k |
| 00:30 | johnc4510 | hmm |
| 00:30 | DPic | i don't think we'll have any to talk about it's upcoming release in time although that would have been nice |
| 00:32 | DPic | next thing on the agenda is ubuntu demos. I added this a few weeks ago and thinking about it now it doesn't seem like the best idea but my thinking was to just try to get more people to SEE ubuntu but having demos on the streets. It might be better to ask teams to request having a demo at a computer show or something (not sure how they would pull that off). something similar is mentioned under friendly contact here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GainIndus |
| 00:33 | xnox | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GainIndustrySupport ? |
| 00:33 | DPic | ....? |
| 00:33 | DPic | i fail to understand your question |
| 00:33 | xnox | Page does not exists |
| 00:34 | xnox | the one you send |
| 00:34 | DPic | okay it works for me but here's the quote, "Everyone should be able to get in touch with companies and just say what you want. For example, you could go to a computer retail store and ask them about supporting Ubuntu, then show off your own computer running it. They'll like the spinning cube :)" |
| 00:34 | johnc4510 | works for me |
| 00:35 | xnox | DPic: sounds great unless they will think it's hidden camera show ;) |
| 00:36 | DPic | haha |
| 00:36 | DPic | well how could we get LoCo teams to do this? |
| 00:36 | DPic | maybe add it to this page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HitTheStreets ? |
| 00:37 | xnox | I think we should do a hidden camera show and put it on youtube |
| 00:37 | xnox | with something like that |
| 00:37 | DPic | xnox: that's actually a great idea |
| 00:37 | xnox | a) loco's will see it |
| 00:37 | xnox | b) people will see |
| 00:37 | xnox | c) employees will see it as well |
| 00:37 | DPic | c) the internets will see it! |
| 00:37 | DPic | oh. |
| 00:37 | DPic | :P |
| 00:38 | xnox | DPic: internerds =D |
| 00:38 | DPic | we would be able to catch a lot of people's reactions on camera |
| 00:39 | DPic | it could make for a good promotional video |
| 00:39 | DPic | which Ubuntu and free software in general needs more of |
| 00:39 | xnox | I personally like the firefoxflicks.com idea |
| 00:40 | xnox | it's simple yet attractive |
| 00:40 | L1pe | I don't think that's a good idea... |
| 00:40 | DPic | L1pe: why not? |
| 00:41 | L1pe | well, maybe only in the "first world". because in many many countries people walking in the streents doesn't even have computers... |
| 00:41 | xnox | Good point |
| 00:41 | DPic | L1pe: well with that we'd be targeting the "first world" but i think it's a good idea for that |
| 00:42 | L1pe | and in my opinion you just can't make somebody in the street to change there OSes |
| 00:42 | DPic | that is true but i think some promotional videos could help a lot if they served to educate consumers |
| 00:43 | L1pe | sure |
| 00:43 | xnox | "Regular mum stripping DRM while cooking breakfast?" =D from ubuntuforums i think |
| 00:43 | DPic | hah |
| 00:44 | DPic | last on the agenda is team jobs |
| 00:44 | xnox | "Ubuntu - Linux for human beings; Unable your Medibuntu repository =D" |
| 00:44 | L1pe | maybe some crazzy promotional videos, (I really like that kind of marketing) |
| 00:44 | DPic | what kind of "crazzy" do you mean? |
| 00:45 | xnox | Walk into dell store and boot all computer |
| 00:45 | xnox | s into ubuntu live cd |
| 00:45 | xnox | catch on camera reaction of people =D |
| 00:45 | xnox | Oh dell stores are shut down aren't they |
| 00:45 | DPic | yeah, but it'd be hard to pull off |
| 00:46 | L1pe | like 100 loco members runing in the streets of dubai with live cds :) |
| 00:46 | xnox | ROLF |
| 00:46 | DPic | rolling on laughing floor? |
| * xnox I knew I never knew chatspeak |
| 00:47 | xnox | it's RLOF isn't it? |
| 00:48 | xnox | but yeah close enough =D |
| * xnox is Russian |
| 00:48 | DPic | xnox: it's ROFL --> rolling on the floor laughing :) |
| 00:48 | xnox | ahhh that's the one |
| 00:49 | DPic | haha anyways, team jobs. is anyone here interested in being the meeting manager? if not i'll email the list about it |
| 00:49 | DPic | anyone? |
| 00:49 | DPic | going once |
| 00:50 | DPic | going twice |
| 00:50 | DPic | going |
| 00:50 | DPic | going |
| 00:50 | DPic | gone |
| 00:50 | xnox | close but no cigar |
| 00:50 | L1pe | whats the job spec? |
| 00:51 | DPic | take meetimg minutes, contact the fridge to let them know about upcoming meetings, update the claendar and wiki (for meetings) |
| 00:52 | L1pe | I can do that if you want |
| 00:52 | DPic | it's not a lot of work, it's just a little but you have to do at regular intarvals |
| 00:52 | DPic | L1pe, that would be great |
| 00:52 | DPic | can i talk to you after the meeting about what to do? |
| 00:53 | L1pe | ok |
| 00:53 | DPic | great |
| 00:54 | DPic | are there any other jobs that this team needs? |
| 00:54 | DPic | i think a person or two to act as a team contact would be good |
| 00:54 | DPic | so people can contact them instead of the list for certain things |
| 00:56 | DPic | alright, well is there anything to add before we finish? |
| * xnox "Hakuna Matata" |
| 00:57 | DPic | +1 |
| 00:58 | DPic | alright, i guess that's it |
| 00:58 | DPic | Meeting adjourned. |
| 00:58 | xnox | see ya |
| 00:58 | L1pe | not the most popular meeting ever :) |
| 02:46 | userone | eh |
| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Mar 19:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 26 Mar 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 02 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 09 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 16 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team |
| 05:05 | pleaseandthankyo | can i install ubuntu edubun xunbu kubuntu at the same time? |
| 05:59 | pleaseandthankyo | ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them? |
| 06:31 | calc | hi |
| 06:39 | evand | good evening calc |
| 06:39 | ogra_cmpc | evening ? tsk... |
| 06:40 | nixternal | morning |
| 06:40 | ogra_cmpc | .oO(mummble,mumble ....middleofthenigth.... mumble) |
| 06:40 | nixternal | 01:40 Chicago Standard Time :) |
| 06:40 | evand | mumble mumble almost 3am mumble :) |
| 06:40 | ogra_cmpc | 7:40 CEST |
| 06:41 | ogra_cmpc | *yawn* |
| 06:41 | evand | not sure which I'd dislike more |
| 06:41 | ogra_cmpc | ihad3amones ... and i use to go to bed around 4am anyway ... so that was perfect |
| 06:41 | ogra_cmpc | hmm |
| 06:42 | ogra_cmpc | spacebar morning-weakness |
| 06:42 | calc | its only 1:42am here |
| 06:42 | calc | its still early ;-) |
| 06:42 | nixternal | or late |
| * calc is glad his mother in law watches his son on meeting nights |
| * nixternal is glad his mother-in-law is no where near him on any night |
| 06:43 | calc | he seems to think 6:30am is a good time to wake up |
| 06:43 | nixternal | heh |
| 06:43 | calc | so 3am-6:30am would really suck for sleep |
| 06:44 | calc | btw the OOo graph is finally pretty :) |
| 06:44 | calc | only 10 new bugs |
| 06:46 | bryyce | heya guys |
| 06:47 | calc | ArneGoetje: thanks for the bug testing :) |
| * asac waves |
| 06:47 | asac | since when does the meeting start at 0630 UTC? |
| 06:48 | asac | :-P |
| 06:48 | ogra_cmpc | heh |
| 06:48 | james_w | morning all |
| * ogra_cmpc waves |
| 06:49 | calc | asac: oh i thought it ended at 0700 UTC ;-) |
| 06:49 | asac | ogra_cmpc: you already yawmed ... no need to wave ;) |
| 06:49 | ogra_cmpc | ... andtriestogetridofthe sesame seedunder thespacebargrrr |
| 06:49 | ogra_cmpc | ah, better |
| 06:50 | asac | what are you doing ogra_cmpc ;) ... hopefully you are at least properly dressed :) |
| 06:50 | ogra_cmpc | haha |
| 06:51 | ogra_cmpc | not at that time of day, no ... but i wont go into details :) |
| 06:51 | asac | lol |
| 06:53 | nixternal | thank goodness :p |
| 06:53 | bryyce | asac, did you get many agenda items for the meeting? I suppose there are plenty of milestone bugs we can talk about. |
| 06:54 | asac | bryyce: no additions, no. |
| 06:55 | ArneGoetje | calc: welcome. took me a few seconds. :) |
| 06:56 | calc | ArneGoetje: i'll have to get you to show me how to do that kind of thing on my laptop at UDS, thanks for taking care of it for me though :) |
| 06:56 | ArneGoetje | calc: sure. no problem. |
| 06:57 | asac | any trick to get a hardy blocker list from launchpad _with_ the assignee in the list? |
| 06:57 | bryyce | not afaik |
| 06:57 | asac | i remeber that we had such lists in the past ... but i cant get it by just using advanced search |
| 06:57 | bryyce | getting high/crit milestones are pretty easy - http://tinyurl.com/2vtt6u |
| 06:58 | slangasek | asac: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04 |
| 06:58 | asac | slangasek: thanks |
| 06:58 | slangasek | trade-off is that you can't hide the fix-released bugs :) |
| 06:58 | asac | slangasek: how comes that that list is about 208 bugs, while the hardy tagged list is just 138? |
| 06:58 | asac | oh |
| 06:59 | asac | i see |
| 06:59 | bryyce | I've been browsing through the high priority milestones, and noted a few that looked relevant to us... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61106/ |
| 07:00 | asac | the network-manager issues should to be fixed on a branch. if anyone still experiences issues connecting with NM, please talk to me |
| 07:00 | asac | ok ... maybe start? |
| 07:01 | bryyce | yep |
| 07:01 | asac | slangasek: for beta wrap-up: are there are any _new_ issues that came up after beta? |
| 07:01 | slangasek | oh, sure, there were the regressions that people uploaded to the archive the day after the beta freeze ended :) |
| 07:02 | asac | haha |
| 07:03 | slangasek | if people don't know what I'm talking about - hal/network-manager started giving problems with wireless, and language packs started having errors with overlapping files, and then Germany went on a four-day weekend ;) |
| 07:03 | calc | slangasek: i thought that was all of europe |
| 07:03 | ogra_cmpc | calc, not all of us |
| 07:04 | TheMuso | calc: Australia also. |
| 07:04 | ogra_cmpc | but most |
| 07:04 | bryyce | sure made for a quiet couple of days for us in usa ;-) |
| 07:04 | asac | i worked the whole weekend :) ... though on security backports |
| 07:04 | slangasek | so thankfully, I think everyone's out of four-day weekends between now and release, so I'm optimistic that we won't have any repeats of /that/... |
| * ogra_cmpc hacked on classmate the whole time |
| 07:04 | TheMuso | ,e actually got away from the computer. |
| * TheMuso actually got away from the computer. |
| 07:04 | calc | yummy bug 159893 sounds like it would fix my biggest gripe with compiz and its targeted for hardy |
| 07:04 | ubotu | Launchpad bug 159893 in compiz "Windows only snap to outside edges" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159893 |
| 07:04 | bryyce | TheMuso: heresy! |
| 07:05 | slangasek | as for problems with the beta itself, things look pretty good. Still waiting for Xubuntu to give me the thumbs-up for a set of alternate CDs to release as a beta for them, but otherwise we're on the final stretch to release now |
| 07:07 | bryyce | so it looks like we have until April 10th, Final Freeze, and then RC on the 17th and final release a week after that on the 24th. |
| 07:07 | slangasek | correct |
| * ArneGoetje still needs to check some scim and fonts issues... :( |
| 07:08 | slangasek | please use this time wisely to work on those milestoned bugs - if anyone's worried about running out, let me know, and if anyone's worried that they have too many assigned, let me know that too |
| 07:08 | bryyce | ArneGoetje, do you want to give a status on that? |
| 07:08 | doko | about bug #174002, you probably can avoid the reboot question if using noifiers to ask for a reboot of the system, but at least for server, the update notifiers are not installed by default |
| 07:08 | ubotu | Launchpad bug 174002 in glibc "asks termnal question on dapper->hardy upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174002 |
| 07:08 | calc | hmm final freeze is the day after i fly off to prague |
| 07:09 | slangasek | you're going to prague a month early? |
| 07:09 | doko | calc: so it's one day earlier for you =) |
| 07:09 | calc | slangasek: yea GoOOCon |
| 07:09 | calc | doko: yea |
| 07:09 | slangasek | ah |
| 07:09 | calc | slangasek: doko as well but on friday (i think) |
| 07:09 | ogra_cmpc | doko, show a debconf note if there is no DISPLAY set |
| 07:09 | ArneGoetje | bryyce: I don't have an overview right now, as those bugs seem to be individual problems, some of them on KDE... so I would need to replicate them first |
| 07:10 | ogra_cmpc | or just echo to the console |
| 07:10 | slangasek | calc: ohwell, that gives you extra padding so that OOo can be uploaded /and built/ before the freeze then :-) |
| 07:10 | doko | ogra_cmpc: it is shown now, but only for the case when debconf is installed |
| 07:10 | calc | slangasek: heh yea |
| 07:10 | ogra_cmpc | doko, if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ];then echo "please reboot" fi |
| 07:11 | ogra_cmpc | :) |
| 07:11 | doko | calc: I'd like to to an OOo -l10n language export test for -4. Could you make a preliminary -4 build available somewhere? |
| 07:12 | calc | doko: ok, just the same as -3 but with some language stuff done differently? |
| 07:12 | calc | doko: i am uploading 2.4.0-1ubuntu1 later this week |
| 07:12 | calc | doko: probably tomorrow or so, whenever the official announcement goes out |
| 07:13 | doko | calc: fine, just tell me where I can grab it before your upload |
| 07:13 | calc | doko: ok, do you need just the orig/diff/dsc or the debs as well? |
| 07:14 | bryyce | slangasek: are there particular bugs you've noticed as important, that aren't getting sufficient attention or progress on them so far? |
| 07:15 | doko | calc: source only |
| 07:15 | calc | doko: ok |
| 07:15 | asac | ok, i think i assigned all unassigned ffox and network manager blocker bugs now. |
| 07:15 | asac | (to me) |
| 07:16 | slangasek | bryyce: I haven't noticed that yet, no; with less than a week since beta and Easter weekend intervening, there's insufficient data yet, but I'll certainly be tagging people if I think it's necessary |
| 07:16 | bryyce | slangasek: ok well always good news that the sky is not falling ;-) |
| 07:16 | asac | yes. i wondered why i haven't received the expected bug flood yet, but maybe its really because of easter |
| 07:17 | slangasek | <cough> it's because no one could connect to the Internet to send their bugs :-) |
| 07:17 | james_w | slangasek: you can poke me about odds and ends as I don't have an area of my own yet. |
| 07:17 | ogra_cmpc | i would expect more testers because of that, not less |
| * bryyce snorts |
| 07:17 | asac | slangasek: hehe :) |
| 07:17 | asac | yeah. thats another point |
| 07:17 | slangasek | james_w: sounds great, thanks :) |
| 07:17 | bryyce | yes, I've been noticing mutterings about wireless issues in some xorg bug reports lately. |
| 07:18 | bryyce | "Can you ssh in and attach gdb to Xorg to see why it's crashed?" "Nope, wireless is broke." ;-) |
| 07:18 | slangasek | fwiw, we *should* have those wireless regressions sorted in the archive now |
| 07:19 | ogra_cmpc | asac, btw, heise held back the beta announcement until yesterday (to put it in the news aside with the fedora one) |
| 07:19 | slangasek | it took a little longer than it ought to have, mainly because there were two overlapping regressions in two different packages |
| 07:19 | bryyce | excellent, yeah sounds like the issues are already past |
| 07:19 | ArneGoetje | also for IPW2200? |
| 07:19 | asac | ogra_cmpc: which ubuntu beta? |
| 07:19 | ogra_cmpc | yup |
| 07:19 | slangasek | but I expect we'll still have to handhold a few users through getting their wireless back up, for a few more days |
| 07:19 | asac | ArneGoetje: ipw2200 hidden ssid is fixed on my branch ... otherwise it should work |
| 07:20 | asac | ArneGoetje: testing appreciated |
| 07:20 | ArneGoetje | asac: will do tonight |
| 07:21 | bryyce | for Xorg, things seem to be pretty stable - the usual level of issues. Mostly we're catching secondary and tertiary side effects from various fixes that went in around beta |
| 07:22 | bryyce | I learned today that the compiz folks have blacklisted all ATI laptops, which is disappointing, but looks like it was the right call. A lot of users are going to complain about it though. |
| 07:23 | asac | anyone can confirm that dpkg-buildpackage -S -si is broken (it always includes the orig.tar.gz in changes for me) |
| 07:23 | asac | well dpkg-genchanges that is |
| 07:24 | asac | (i had to create the changes in a gutsy chroot for the firefox security update) |
| 07:24 | TheMuso | asac: I never use -si, I just use dpkg-buildpackage -S and no orig is included. |
| 07:25 | asac | it still includes the orig for me |
| 07:25 | asac | $ dpkg-genchanges -S -si |
| 07:25 | asac | dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload |
| 07:25 | asac | same without -si |
| 07:25 | asac | whats going on :( |
| 07:25 | slangasek | what's your version number? |
| 07:25 | doko | asac: did you want to look at the Blackdown java1.4 packages, or can we remove them from the distro now? |
| 07:26 | asac | 2.0.0.13+0nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.4 |
| 07:26 | slangasek | (does that mean the meeting's over, if we're talking about dpkg-genchanges commandline options?) |
| 07:26 | asac | in the past it just auto did that for -1 |
| 07:26 | asac | (like in debian) |
| 07:26 | asac | slangasek: well ... not sure. if its broken its certainly a blocker ;) |
| 07:26 | slangasek | maybe the heuristic has been changed to <= -1 |
| 07:26 | slangasek | heh |
| 07:26 | asac | slangasek: anyway ... it should honour the -si |
| 07:27 | asac | agreed? |
| 07:27 | slangasek | well, yes :) |
| 07:27 | asac | should happen for all -0ubuntuX things if its really <= -1 now |
| 07:29 | asac | ill test and file a bug. anything else? |
| 07:30 | slangasek | asac: is ubufox getting up to the top of your list yet? It would be nice to have confirmation that java now works by default for 64-bit users |
| 07:30 | asac | slangasek: yes. I will push it so it gets done by end of this week for sure. |
| 07:30 | slangasek | ok |
| 07:30 | doko | it should work for everything but LiveConnect |
| 07:30 | asac | but the comments in bug looked good (except the wizard) |
| 07:31 | slangasek | doko: "by default" -> ubufox still doesn't know to install icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 07:31 | asac | why is that a problem? |
| 07:31 | asac | is there no transitional package? |
| 07:31 | slangasek | so we don't really get full user testing right now :) |
| 07:31 | slangasek | asac: there is not, no |
| 07:32 | asac | why not? (sorry if i miss the obvious) |
| 07:32 | slangasek | asac: if there were a transitional package, users would get two options in the plugin list where they should get one...? |
| 07:32 | asac | they will only get the package that had the Npp- headers in their control when ubufox database was updated the last time |
| 07:32 | doko | well, I can build an empty package from the icedtea-gcjwebplugin source |
| 07:32 | asac | so for now it would work |
| 07:32 | asac | and once i run the datbase batch it would automatically suggest -gcjwebplugin |
| 07:33 | asac | instead of the old one |
| 07:33 | asac | (given that the Npp- headers are dropped from the transitional package control) |
| 07:33 | slangasek | doko: an easy push through NEW from my POV if you want to do that |
| 07:33 | asac | doko: empty? without transition? |
| 07:33 | slangasek | empty -> dummy -> transition |
| 07:33 | asac | ok |
| 07:34 | asac | doko: please do that. i think users that installed the icedtea plugin want to be auto upgraded anyway |
| 07:34 | doko | ok, will do |
| 07:34 | asac | great |
| 07:34 | slangasek | doko: have you gotten an answer to your inittab question yet? |
| 07:35 | doko | slangasek: no, and not that high priority. I'll have to look later |
| 07:35 | slangasek | I'm interested in knowing the answer, since I can't figure it out myself, guess it needs picking Scott's brain |
| 07:37 | ogra_cmpc | fedora will surely soon have a fix now that they switched to upstart :P |
| 07:38 | asac | ok, i guess meeting is over ;) |
| 07:38 | slangasek | ok, thanks all :) |
| 07:39 | ogra_cmpc | thanks |
| * asac goes back to work |
| 07:39 | asac | thanks |
| 07:39 | bryyce | thanks |
| 07:39 | TheMuso | thanks all |
| 07:39 | ArneGoetje | thanks |
| 07:39 | TheMuso | minutes will be out tomorrow my time. |
| 07:39 | calc | goodnight |
| 07:41 | james_w | thanks all |
| 07:44 | evand | thanks |
| === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh |
| === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey |
| === asac_ is now known as asac |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh |
| === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch |
| 12:16 | stgraber | ok, so we have RichEd and ogra_cmpcng :) anyone else ? |
| 12:16 | ogra_cmpcng | unlikely :) |
| 12:16 | ogra_cmpcng | highvoltage, ? |
| 12:16 | ogra_cmpcng | juliux, ? |
| 12:16 | ogra_cmpcng | anyone ? |
| 12:16 | RichEd | i've got a packed day with bad internet |
| 12:16 | RichEd | i'll lurk and respond if pinged by name |
| 12:16 | ogra_cmpcng | i'm fiddling with the next gen classmate atm |
| 12:16 | juliux | ogra_cmpc, i am half here |
| * juliux is fighting with a lotus notes and domino server |
| 12:17 | ogra_cmpcng | and i dont have anything to report ... four days of easter and all remaining workdays went into classmate |
| 12:17 | ogra_cmpcng | beta was good though |
| 12:19 | ogra_cmpcng | there were three slightly critical bugs discovered in beta, one is moodle (not fixed yet), one in ltsp (amd64 dhcpd.conf handling (there is a fix on teh bug)) and italc not being installable in a netinstall (fixed by stephane, sorry for not having it uploaded yet) |
| 12:20 | ogra_cmpcng | beyond that we have two categories in g-a-i that i have to remove since they are empty |
| 12:20 | ogra_cmpcng | and there is one upstream ldm security bug that needs fixing |
| 12:21 | ogra_cmpcng | thats about it from my side |
| === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell |
| 12:21 | ogra_cmpcng | any questions anyone ? |
| 12:22 | stgraber | sounds good and not too hard to fix for RC |
| 12:22 | ogra_cmpcng | oh, i forgot, laser has uploaded a new and fixed squeak |
| 12:22 | ogra_cmpcng | and apparently he builds the squeak vm for all arches so you can have it on ppc and amd64 as well |
| 12:23 | ogra_cmpcng | i will have to test how good it behaves on the classmate, since i suspect it will be used a lot |
| 12:23 | stgraber | how better is the new classmate ? do you have L2 cache on this one ? :) |
| 12:23 | ogra_cmpcng | its a typical OLPC app so i assume kids will want it on the classmate |
| 12:23 | ogra_cmpcng | nope |
| 12:23 | ogra_cmpcng | and the device i have here is a total fake :) |
| 12:23 | stgraber | but real HDD right ? |
| 12:24 | stgraber | ok :) |
| 12:24 | ogra_cmpcng | 512M and 30G HDD |
| 12:24 | ogra_cmpcng | both wont be the default afaik |
| 12:24 | ogra_cmpcng | but that might still change depending on prices ... the device i have here isnt supposed to come out before Q3 or so |
| 12:25 | ogra_cmpcng | it has a 9" screen and a right shift key though :) |
| 12:25 | ogra_cmpcng | and a neat case that looks a bit more modern |
| 12:25 | stgraber | oh, so you'll be making less typing mistake now :) |
| 12:26 | ogra_cmpcng | not really, the keys are different i have to get used to it |
| 12:26 | stgraber | have you had a chance to run italc on one of the "old" classmates, I'd be interested by memory usage on those |
| 12:26 | ogra_cmpcng | it should be by default in the latest images ... i didnt do a fresh install yet on an old one |
| 12:27 | stgraber | ok |
| 12:27 | ogra_cmpcng | hrm |
| 12:27 | ogra_cmpcng | at least its supposed to be in the default install |
| 12:27 | ogra_cmpcng | its not here on the ng classmate |
| 12:28 | stgraber | it seems to eat 14MB on my lappy (64bit) but I have a real highres screen (1680x1050) so might be a lot less on the cmpc |
| 12:28 | ogra_cmpcng | 14M is a lot |
| 12:29 | ogra_cmpcng | at least for a classmate |
| 12:29 | stgraber | yes, but that's on 64bit with 1680x1050, I'd expect x11vnc to eat a lot less on a 32bit 800x480 screen |
| 12:29 | ogra_cmpcng | is it x11vnc ? i thought it uses its own code |
| 12:29 | stgraber | it's its own code but the VNC part is 90% based on x11vnc |
| 12:29 | ogra_cmpcng | ah |
| 12:30 | ogra_cmpcng | so just stolen from there |
| 12:31 | stgraber | it forks into 2 process one doing the iTalc actions (locking screen, allowing demo mode, ...) and the other running x11vnc |
| 12:32 | ogra_cmpcng | it eats 6.88M reserved ram here |
| 12:32 | ogra_cmpcng | not to bad |
| 12:32 | stgraber | ok, so seems to be directly related to the screen resolution |
| 12:32 | ogra_cmpcng | (running idle) |
| 12:33 | ogra_cmpcng | ok ... so wrt meeting i'm done so far ... RichEd, anything to add ? management/community ? |
| 12:33 | stgraber | btw, I'll soon have the avahi scripts ready to replace ica-launcher and italc-launcher. I don't think we'll be able to incldue those in the package for Hardy |
| 12:33 | stgraber | so where is the best place to upload them ? |
| 12:33 | ogra_cmpcng | yeah, sadly |
| 12:33 | ogra_cmpcng | PPA ? |
| 12:34 | ogra_cmpcng | so hardy users can pull them inofficially |
| 12:34 | RichEd | ogra_cmpc: not from my side today |
| 12:34 | stgraber | I'm not sure generating an entire new package is necessary as it's just the two launcher scripts that need to be replaced |
| 12:34 | RichEd | thanks for managing the mini-meeting |
| 12:34 | ogra_cmpcng | :) |
| 12:34 | ogra_cmpcng | having fun with the new keyboard :) |
| 12:36 | ogra_cmpcng | RichEd, btw, suspend/hibernate works on the next gen ... i have one issue with the backlight being off on resume but thats fixable (and works if you hit the brightness key once) |
| 12:36 | RichEd | great |
| 12:36 | stgraber | hmm, now that I'm having a look at it, my new scripts will required avahi-tools and probably python-avahi so uploading a package to the PPA makes sense so I can easily add the new depends |
| 12:36 | RichEd | what's better about the keyboard ? |
| 12:37 | ogra_cmpcng | right shift key |
| 12:37 | stgraber | the other way would have been a wiki page with the two scripts attached |
| 12:37 | ogra_cmpcng | smaller higher keys |
| 12:37 | RichEd | and can you send a mini status email to me about any issues we need to urgently fix (for the IDF launch) |
| 12:37 | ogra_cmpcng | so the center point of the keys is further apart |
| 12:38 | RichEd | is that better for bigger fingers ? |
| * RichEd also missed the right shift |
| 12:38 | RichEd | annoying at times |
| 12:38 | ogra_cmpcng | RichEd, its all fixed, i uploaded the fixed package for the installer this morning, it just takes its hours to get into the archive before i can go on |
| 12:38 | RichEd | so i can tell mr k that we can satisfy them |
| 12:38 | RichEd | ? |
| 12:38 | ogra_cmpcng | i saw some video lockups though |
| 12:39 | ogra_cmpcng | not sure what that is yet, but its nothing that happens constantly and we can blame the unreleased status of the image for now |
| 12:39 | RichEd | okay ... not critical though for now ... it is prerelease |
| 12:39 | ogra_cmpcng | in any case its installable with my next image build |
| 12:39 | RichEd | tell them to file a bug report if and when it happens |
| 12:39 | ogra_cmpcng | and the webcam works fine :) |
| 12:40 | RichEd | great ... they can chat to you live while you work ;) |
| 12:40 | ogra_cmpcng | well, i know when it happens .... i just dont know why yet and why it isnt realiably reproducable |
| 12:41 | ogra_cmpcng | RichEd, the ekiga videophone works out oif the box :) |
| * highvoltage is here |
| 12:46 | highvoltage | sorry, was in shower, somehow thought there was a late meeting |
| 12:46 | highvoltage | ogra_cmpcng: how is NG? |
| 12:47 | highvoltage | ogra_cmpcng: can you take a pic of the new clasmate dummy you have? |
| 12:47 | ogra_cmpcng | not sure i'm allowed to |
| 12:47 | ogra_cmpcng | its not public yet |
| 12:48 | highvoltage | ah ok. |
| 12:48 | ogra_cmpcng | oh, i missed to finish the meeting ... |
| 12:48 | highvoltage | nice that it has lots of RAM at least. is the 30GB hard disk also flash? or magnetic platters? |
| 12:49 | ogra_cmpcng | highvoltage, thats a real HD and it wont have the amount of ram in the released variant by default i think |
| 12:49 | ogra_cmpcng | anyway |
| 12:49 | ogra_cmpcng | need to close the meeting and do more tests |
| 12:49 | ogra_cmpcng | going once |
| 12:49 | ogra_cmpcng | twice ... |
| 12:49 | ogra_cmpcng | adjourned ... thanks everyone |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away |
| 13:17 | Laney | @schedule london |
| 13:17 | ubotu | Schedule for Europe/London: 26 Mar 19:00: Xubuntu | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU | 02 Apr 22:00: Server Team | 09 Apr 22:00: Server Team | 16 Apr 22:00: Server Team |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh |
| === lamont` is now known as lamont |
| * dtrask is away: Lunch time...leave a msg |
| === dtrask is now known as dtrask-away |
| === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache |
| * pedro_ waves |
| 15:59 | ogasawara | hi all |
| 15:59 | pedro_ | hello ogasawara |
| 15:59 | pedro_ | hey Iulian |
| 16:00 | heno | hey all! |
| * Iulian waves |
| * stgraber waves |
| 16:00 | stgraber | nand: ping |
| 16:00 | pedro_ | hi heno |
| 16:01 | nand | hi! |
| 16:02 | heno | #startmeeting |
| 16:02 | MootBot | Meeting started at 17:02. The chair is heno. |
| 16:02 | MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] |
| 16:02 | heno | agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings |
| 16:02 | heno | sorry for the late announcement! |
| 16:02 | pedro_ | i'm loving the meeting schedule posted at the wiki page |
| 16:02 | pedro_ | thanks for it ;-) |
| 16:03 | heno | yeah, I thought that might be useful :) |
| 16:03 | heno | (for when I make agendas very late ;-D ) |
| 16:03 | Iulian | Actually it is ;) |
| 16:04 | heno | [TOPIC] QA-Website frontpage (nand and stgraber) |
| 16:04 | MootBot | New Topic: QA-Website frontpage (nand and stgraber) |
| * heno still needs to reply to some of nand's emails about brainstorm |
| 16:05 | stgraber | that's something we have been discussing a bit with nand, qa.ubuntu.com looks really empty and useless as it's now and we thought we would really need to improve it |
| 16:05 | nand | yep! |
| 16:05 | heno | nand: I've not forgotten, it's just queed up ... |
| 16:05 | nand | heno: I guessed so |
| 16:05 | stgraber | so first thing, as this page will be linked from the QA bar you have at the top of all our websites, we'll need a name for it |
| 16:06 | stgraber | this page will act as a summary of all the other QA related websites (ISO tracker, Brainstorm, QA Blog, links to Hug days, ...) |
| 16:06 | heno | 'Home' ? |
| 16:06 | heno | does drupal have a blog plugin, btw? |
| 16:06 | stgraber | the problem I see with 'Home' is that people will expect to be brought back to the main page of the website they currently are on |
| 16:07 | stgraber | heno: yes, we are testing it on http://qablog.stgraber.org |
| 16:07 | heno | ooo, pretty |
| 16:07 | nand | Ideally there should be some feedback on Ubuntu dev on this blog |
| 16:07 | liw | oops, I forgot to /join the right channel |
| 16:08 | heno | nand: agreed |
| 16:08 | nand | to give some update to a good portion of users whose only portal to Ubuntu is brainstorm |
| 16:08 | heno | 'QA Home'? |
| 16:08 | liw | (if someone wants to paste me the backlog for this meeting, I'd be happy to catch up) |
| 16:08 | stgraber | liw: http://paste.stgraber.org/1989 |
| 16:08 | liw | thanks |
| 16:09 | pedro_ | I've already flood him by privmsg hehe |
| 16:09 | stgraber | 'QA Home' sounds better |
| 16:09 | liw | I have three copies of the backlog now, thanks everyone |
| 16:10 | stgraber | any other idea ? |
| 16:10 | heno | we should also consider setting up reports.qa.u.c or similar for bug lists, weather report, etc |
| 16:10 | stgraber | heno: that's my idea with qa.ubuntu.com |
| 16:10 | stgraber | let me copy/paste the planned content |
| 16:10 | stgraber | - Summary tab (developer weather report, news from the blog, top-10 from Brainstorm, links to different tracker (iso, mozilla, ...)) |
| 16:10 | stgraber | - Testing tracker tab (status for ongoing testing, summary of user's subscriptions) |
| 16:10 | stgraber | - Brainstorm tab (user's favourite ideas, top-10 most recent ideas, top-10 from frontpage) |
| 16:10 | stgraber | - Resource tab (links to Wiki, LP, Hug days, Ubuntuwire, ...) |
| 16:10 | heno | ogasawara: could the weather report live on reports.qa.u.c/releasestatus ? or so |
| 16:11 | ogasawara | heno: I believe so - I actually have it at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/weatherreport.html currently |
| 16:11 | stgraber | the default tab being the Summary which would have some kind of block base UI showing content from the various QA resources |
| 16:11 | heno | ogasawara: yeah, thanks for getting that back up! |
| 16:13 | stgraber | any other idea of what we should show on qa.ubuntu.com ? |
| 16:13 | nand | Ideally too, it should be noob-proof |
| 16:13 | davmor2 | nand: :) |
| 16:14 | nand | meaning, a new user could actually learn things here about the processes |
| 16:14 | nand | and how to get involed |
| 16:14 | nand | ;) |
| 16:14 | nand | I see that page as a portal for noob to enter and discover Ubuntu dev |
| 16:14 | stgraber | we don't want our users to be sent to the ISO Tracker with no idea of what it's and how to use it, so we should disply the appropriate wiki link in the various tabs |
| 16:15 | heno | sort of a 'How can you help? layout |
| 16:15 | davmor2 | pictures pictures everywhere. It's easier to understand something when you can see it. |
| 16:15 | nand | davmor2: exactly |
| 16:15 | nand | You all remember I guess when you started contributing: The hardest part is to actually start |
| 16:16 | heno | least complex at the top: filing bugs, running unstable milestones, triage, structured testing |
| 16:16 | heno | getting increasing complicated |
| 16:16 | nand | And it would be good to take this opportunity (high popularity of brainstorm) to recruit new contributors! |
| 16:16 | davmor2 | Wiki updates will be on going adding images where appropriate and hopefully simplifying where possible it's all in hand honest |
| 16:16 | nand | boss around :) |
| 16:17 | heno | shall we just do some layour mock-ups on a wiki page? |
| 16:17 | stgraber | good idea |
| 16:18 | stgraber | would be great to have different views of how this website will look like so we can discuss it a bit more at Prague |
| 16:18 | davmor2 | heno: yes it'll be best then vote on it next meeting |
| 16:18 | stgraber | (assuming you guys will be at FOSSCamp) |
| 16:18 | heno | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/MainSiteHomePageScratch say |
| 16:18 | davmor2 | stgraber: :( |
| * heno will be there |
| * nand too |
| 16:20 | davmor2 | heno: page sounds good :) |
| 16:20 | heno | sounds like a plan |
| 16:20 | heno | [TOPIC] RC and final testing preparations |
| 16:20 | MootBot | New Topic: RC and final testing preparations |
| 16:21 | heno | our team efforts on final release testing could do with some more structure |
| 16:21 | heno | -- an action item for me basically |
| 16:22 | heno | Several people have already stepped up to take ownership of various parts of it |
| 16:22 | heno | Thanks! |
| 16:22 | heno | davmor2: will be responsible for Windows-based testing |
| 16:23 | heno | liw will run a series of upgrade tests and netboot |
| 16:24 | heno | pedro_ will keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/FixValidation updated and track that |
| 16:25 | heno | I may still ping other team members and ask for help on bits of this |
| 16:25 | stgraber | I'll do LTSP and some other weird Alternate testing (manual + double encrypted LVM that sort of things) |
| * dtrask-away is away: I'm back! |
| * dtrask-away is back. |
| === dtrask-away is now known as dtrask |
| 16:25 | heno | I should write an overview of who'se doing what |
| 16:25 | heno | stgraber: excellent, thanks |
| 16:25 | davmor2 | I'll move on to *buntu's once I get the windows stuff out the road. |
| 16:26 | ogasawara | heno: that would be good. then we can sign up for responsibilities that aren't yet assigned |
| 16:26 | heno | yep |
| 16:26 | stgraber | heno: hmm, we should have that overview with user's subscription if they update them accordingly |
| 16:26 | davmor2 | heno: with the RC are we going for full coverage at least once? |
| 16:26 | heno | ogasawara: I'll ask for some of your tracking page expertise as well :) |
| 16:27 | heno | davmor2: ideally more than single coverage |
| 16:27 | heno | stgraber: I mean a bit more general tasks |
| 16:28 | davmor2 | I did say at least once :) |
| 16:28 | heno | thinks like keeping track of the fix verification isn't a test case |
| 16:28 | davmor2 | stgraber: I updated mine as much as possible |
| 16:28 | stgraber | heno: right |
| 16:29 | heno | davmor2: indeed, you're right -- more than one tester and likely more than one iteration too |
| 16:29 | heno | I've been wondering if we should remove the updates cases from the tracker |
| 16:30 | davmor2 | heno: what would also be useful would be a way to identify the least tested product so when general jobs are done the least tested can be nailed |
| 16:30 | heno | they way liw and mvo tests updates doesn't really fit with that |
| 16:30 | heno | thoughts? |
| 16:30 | liw | hmm |
| 16:31 | heno | also, davmor2 had requested feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Backing_Up |
| 16:31 | liw | I like the approach of having a list of tasks to be performed and being to click "pass" or "fail" for each |
| 16:31 | liw | even for upgrade testing |
| 16:31 | heno | ref http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/upgrade/all |
| 16:32 | heno | liw does that fit the tests you plan to do? |
| 16:32 | heno | or should the cases be adjusted? |
| 16:32 | stgraber | I'm not sure if that was mvo or something else but someone asked for "Upgrade (cd-rom)" to be added to the Upgrade testcases |
| 16:32 | stgraber | so we'll have : Upgrade (internet) and Upgrade (cd-rom) instead of a single Upgrade testcase |
| 16:32 | heno | yep and we need Dapper->Hardy cases too |
| 16:33 | liw | heno, I think it's fine, at least currently; I assume that if I come up with improvements, they'll be easy to do |
| 16:33 | heno | (ok, so forget my first suggestion; let's look at ways of modifying the cases) |
| 16:34 | stgraber | so we currently have upgrade for : edubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu server and xubuntu |
| 16:34 | stgraber | any other to add ? |
| 16:34 | heno | liw: there are no dapper upgrade tests listed for example |
| 16:34 | heno | do we still want Edubuntu as a separate case? |
| 16:34 | liw | heno, yeah, that's true; I'll make a list of all the scenarios I want to test, and make checklists for how to test each one |
| 16:35 | heno | liw: thanks |
| 16:35 | stgraber | heno: it's : current edubuntu -> ubuntu edu add-on |
| 16:35 | stgraber | heno: so we'll drop edubuntu with Intrepid |
| 16:35 | liw | heno, and offer them up for discussion on #ubuntu-testing (putting/keeping them on the wiki, obviously) |
| 16:35 | heno | ok, cool |
| 16:36 | heno | FYI: liw is setting up some massively package-overloaded install images to run upgrade from |
| 16:36 | heno | so it's more than just install+upgrade |
| 16:37 | heno | most packages and flavours are covered in a single upgrade test really |
| 16:38 | stgraber | my initial plan was to update the testcases for RC tonight as I'll be away next week. With the problems I had with my Dapper VM I'll likely do the sync only tomorrow evening |
| 16:38 | stgraber | so please tell me what you want changed by then |
| 16:38 | liw | stgraber, ack |
| 16:38 | heno | stgraber: great, thanks. We'll do that |
| 16:39 | davmor2 | I'll probably poach the screenshots from here http://www.partimage.org/Screenshots rather than create new ones for the backup page |
| 16:39 | heno | so I'll take the action of setting up an overview page, and we'll take it from there |
| 16:40 | heno | [TOPIC] Beta bugs impact |
| 16:40 | MootBot | New Topic: Beta bugs impact |
| 16:40 | heno | I just wanted to hear what the impact of the release has been. Doesn't look too bad AFAICS |
| 16:40 | heno | pedro_, ogasawara? |
| 16:40 | pedro_ | yep it's looking good on the desktop side |
| 16:41 | pedro_ | we indeed have more bugs which is good |
| 16:41 | ogasawara | same here, haven't noticed anything major |
| 16:41 | pedro_ | but there's nothing we don't know already and the other ones are low impact (features, etc) |
| 16:41 | heno | pedro_: :) |
| 16:41 | davmor2 | goodo :) |
| 16:41 | pedro_ | so yeah everything looking pretty good |
| 16:42 | heno | excellent! |
| 16:42 | heno | and as usual, we had a bug day yesterday, and will have one tomorrow! |
| 16:42 | heno | any other items? |
| 16:42 | pedro_ | yes sr! based on GDM and GNOME Screensaver so be there ;-) |
| 16:43 | pedro_ | not from me |
| 16:43 | heno | and KDM as well I guess |
| 16:43 | heno | 3 |
| 16:43 | heno | 2 |
| 16:43 | heno | 1 |
| 16:43 | heno | #endmeeting |
| 16:43 | MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:44. |
| 16:44 | heno | short and sweet. thanks all! |
| 16:44 | pedro_ | thanks! |
| 16:46 | Iulian | heno: Nop, it's Konqueror IIRC |
| 16:46 | Iulian | Oh yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080327/KDE |
| 16:47 | heno | Iulian: ok, thanks |
| 16:48 | pedro_ | ah yes it's konqueror, yuriy told me they don't have enough bugs on KDM so he was looking for another package that might help the hardy release |
| 16:49 | Iulian | Cool |
| 16:52 | pedro_ | time to have something for eat, see you in a while |
| 16:55 | zoredache | what are the 4 truths that come before 'ask the simple questions first'? |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away |
| 17:30 | Bobi | \msg NickServ Bobi |
| 17:38 | emgent | @schedule rome |
| 17:38 | ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 26 Mar 20:00: Xubuntu | 26 Mar 22:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 05:00: MOTU | 02 Apr 23:00: Server Team | 09 Apr 23:00: Server Team | 16 Apr 23:00: Server Team |
| 17:40 | Bobi | @schedule vienna |
| 17:40 | ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Vienna: 26 Mar 20:00: Xubuntu | 26 Mar 22:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 05:00: MOTU | 02 Apr 23:00: Server Team | 09 Apr 23:00: Server Team | 16 Apr 23:00: Server Team |
| === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi |
| 18:27 | Odd-rationale | xubuntu meeting is coming up in about a half hour? |
| 18:27 | zoredache | @schedule |
| 18:27 | ubotu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Mar 19:00: Xubuntu | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU | 02 Apr 21:00: Server Team | 09 Apr 21:00: Server Team | 16 Apr 21:00: Server Team |
| 18:28 | zoredache | Odd-rationale: accourding to the schedule. |
| 18:28 | Odd-rationale | OK. Just making sure. Thanks! |
| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Mar 19:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 26 Mar 19:00 UTC: Ubuntu Security Team | 26 Mar 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 02 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 09 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team |
| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Xubuntu Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Mar 19:00 UTC: Ubuntu Security Team | 26 Mar 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 02 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 09 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team |
| 18:50 | keescook | er? xubuntu meeting vanished? |
| 18:52 | Riddell | "Current meeting: Xubuntu" |
| * keescook will learn to read some day. |
| 18:52 | heno | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1385 |
| 18:52 | meborc | in calendar, there is xubuntu and ubuntu securiti (or smth) both starting at 19:00 |
| 18:53 | meborc | so which is starting now? |
| 18:53 | cody-somerville | :) |
| 18:53 | keescook | ubuntu security team meeting will be in #ubuntu-hardened. xubuntu was here first. :) |
| 18:53 | meborc | nice ;) |
| 18:53 | cody-somerville | Thanks :) |
| 18:55 | cody-somerville | \o/ |
| 18:56 | sommer | hello |
| 18:56 | meborc | hi |
| 18:56 | vinze | Hi |
| 18:57 | cody-somerville | Heya jm1 :) |
| 18:57 | keescook | (ubuntu security team meeting: please join #ubuntu-hardened -- we've had a room conflict) |
| 18:57 | cody-somerville | Heya jgamio, vinze, TheSheep, etc. etc. :) |
| 18:57 | vinze | Hey cody-somerville :) |
| 18:57 | vinze | I've managed to make it :) |
| 18:57 | jgamio | hi cody-somerville |
| * cody-somerville cheers. |
| 18:58 | jgamio | hi everybody |
| 18:58 | bobi | hi |
| 18:58 | tomplast | Hello |
| 18:58 | cody-somerville | It looks like we've gotten a good turn out |
| 18:58 | jm1 | hi cody-somerville |
| 18:58 | solar_george | hi |
| 18:59 | jono_ | hi all! :) |
| * vorian waves |
| === jono_ is now known as jono |
| 18:59 | tomplast | Hello Jono |
| 18:59 | jono | hi vorian tomplast :) |
| * heno waves |
| 19:00 | keescook | (ubuntu security team meeting: please join #ubuntu-hardened -- we've had a room conflict) |
| 19:00 | vinze | keescook, perhaps that'd be useful in the topic? |
| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Security Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Mar 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 02 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 09 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team |
| 19:00 | highvoltage | hello jono |
| 19:01 | keescook | vinze: ubotu controls that. |
| 19:01 | jono | hey highvoltage |
| 19:01 | vinze | O ok |
| 19:02 | jono | right |
| 19:02 | jono | is everyone here? |
| 19:02 | tomplast | #define everyone ? |
| 19:02 | tomplast | ;) |
| 19:02 | cody-somerville | Jim isn't here. |
| 19:02 | zoredache | everyone = people who matter |
| 19:02 | jono | anyone who wants to be involved in the xubuntu meeting :) |
| 19:03 | meborc | i'm here ;) |
| 19:03 | tomplast | Then at least I'm here :) |
| 19:03 | tomplast | And you ;) |
| 19:03 | vinze | cody-somerville, Jim did plan to be there didn't he? |
| 19:03 | vorian | /me waves again :) |
| 19:03 | cody-somerville | Yup. He said he might be a few minutes late though, IIRC. |
| 19:04 | vinze | O OK |
| 19:04 | jono | ok, lets wait a few mins and then begin |
| * cody-somerville notes that he is at work and will have to leave for 15 minutes in an hour to go home. :) |
| * meborc makes food for everyone |
| 19:04 | cody-somerville | \o/ |
| 19:04 | cody-somerville | Speak of the devil :) |
| 19:04 | jono | ok, all set? |
| 19:05 | jono | anyone else who should be here? |
| 19:05 | highvoltage | we could probably do some warm-up talk. who had enough time to properly think about the questions that cody-somerville asked? |
| 19:05 | j1mc | hi all. i have 1 hour. :) |
| 19:05 | jono | I have an hour too |
| 19:05 | jono | ok.... |
| 19:05 | vinze | Hi j1mc |
| 19:05 | highvoltage | I found some of them a bit tough, but thought of it when I had a few gaps here and there :) |
| 19:05 | jono | for those who don't know me, I am Jono Bacon, I am the Ubuntu Community Manager |
| 19:05 | jono | and I generally try to help the community tick along as smoothly as possible |
| 19:05 | jono | while listening to very loud metal :) |
| 19:06 | cody-somerville | :) |
| 19:06 | heno | highvoltage: are these questions on a mailing list? Got URL? |
| 19:06 | vinze | Hehe |
| 19:06 | jono | cody-somerville came to me to raise a few of these problems in the community |
| 19:06 | vinze | heno, on the mailinglist |
| 19:06 | highvoltage | heno: yes, just a sec and I'll get you a link |
| 19:06 | jono | and the aim of this meeting is to raise the key issues and begin the road to solving them |
| 19:06 | heno | thx |
| 19:06 | highvoltage | heno: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-March/005242.html |
| 19:06 | highvoltage | everybody who hasn't read it yet, please do so before we get going. |
| 19:06 | jono | lets keep this meeting as cordial and happy as possible - it is about fixing problems, and we *can* fix these things |
| * cody-somerville nods. |
| 19:07 | jono | so cody-somerville, |
| 19:07 | jono | could you summarise the key issues in a few short sentances? |
| * cody-somerville nods. |
| 19:09 | cody-somerville | I believe the root issue for Xubuntu right now is that it lacks definition. There is no mission statement, no core objectives, no strategy, and no structure. This has resulted in a number of conflicts and has ultimately lead to several key contributors deciding that it isn't worth their time anymore. |
| 19:09 | vinze | Agreed |
| 19:09 | jono | right |
| 19:10 | jono | so this is something we should absolutely do - produce a mission statement, and a strategy for what you want to achieve with Xubuntu |
| 19:10 | jono | something that key contributors agree to |
| * cody-somerville nods. |
| 19:10 | _MMA_ | Are those people even known? |
| 19:11 | _MMA_ | "key contributors" |
| 19:11 | cody-somerville | Thats an excellent question. |
| 19:11 | jono | _MMA_: maybe not, but regular contributors may be |
| 19:11 | jono | I am not talking about importance |
| 19:11 | jono | I am talking about who does the work |
| 19:11 | bobi | is the decision of the key contributors definitive? |
| 19:11 | vinze | jono, beyond packagers I assume? |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh |
| 19:11 | _MMA_ | jono: Sure. In Ubuntu Studio we have those people on a list. |
| 19:12 | j1mc | with xubuntu we seem to have a small handful of people who do the packaging / seed work, and a few others who contribute in non-technical areas |
| 19:12 | jono | I think we need to approach this by first producing an approx strategy |
| 19:12 | j1mc | the conflict was on the technical side |
| 19:12 | jono | and then people going in and refining |
| * cody-somerville nods. |
| 19:12 | jono | I think it would be advisable for one person to drive these changes where possible |
| 19:12 | \sh | hi guys...sorry for being late...just got home |
| 19:12 | jono | is this some people would be happy cody-somerville doing - and would you be interested in doing this cody-somerville? |
| 19:13 | jono | it is not about just cody-somerville's view, but him fairly taking in feedback and adjusting the strategy |
| 19:13 | j1mc | i would be happy with cody drafting the strategy. i think he has a good take on what xubuntu is about and could be about |
| 19:13 | vinze | I'm all for cody-somerville |
| * _MMA_ gives a +1 for Cody as he has been the most active and visible head of Xubuntu for a while. |
| 19:14 | jono | from my experience of cody, I would support him to do this too |
| 19:14 | jono | anyone else? |
| 19:14 | meborc | support on my side |
| 19:14 | highvoltage | well, cody has certainly taken initiative in getting things back on |