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| lifeless | @schedule | 10:52 |
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| ubottu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 02 Dec 16:00: Server Team | 02 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | 02 Dec 23:00: Forum Council | 03 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 03 Dec 17:00: QA Team | 10:52 |
| elkbuntu | hi lifeless. | 11:20 |
| lifeless | hi | 11:20 |
| lifeless | are we meeting? | 11:20 |
| lifeless | or am I time-confused | 11:20 |
| elkbuntu | i'm not sure. there's nobody on our agenda page | 11:21 |
| lifeless | short meeting then | 11:21 |
| elkbuntu | yep | 11:21 |
| elkbuntu | in absence of quorum or applicants, i'm inclined to close it. | 11:21 |
| lifeless | seconded | 11:21 |
| elkbuntu | and try finish my talk for thursday. | 11:22 |
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| nijaba | @now paris | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Current time in Europe/Paris: December 02 2008, 16:35:01 - Next meeting: Server Team in 24 minutes | 15:35 |
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| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | 02 Dec 23:00: Forum Council | 03 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 03 Dec 17:00: QA Team | ||
| kirkland | o/ | 15:58 |
| JontheEchidna | \o | 15:59 |
| * mathiaz waves | 15:59 | |
| Koon | \o/ | 15:59 |
| ScottK-laptop | Hello. | 16:00 |
| zul | yarp yarp | 16:00 |
| sommer | hey all | 16:01 |
| jjesse | hello | 16:01 |
| jjesse | time to get started? | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | all right folks! | 16:01 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK-laptop: Hi, apachelogger had to go to the hospital because his bf got in a car accident | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | let's get this started | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | welcome to the Server Team meeting! | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | starring... well a lot of interesting people! :) | 16:01 |
| nijaba | o/ | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | we've got plenty of things to cover this week! | 16:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | mathiaz: Did you get my ping about going first? | 16:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | I can make it quick. | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: hm - I didn't get your ping | 16:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | I've only got about 20 minutes and then I need to go. | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: oh ok. | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] KDE mysql needs for Jaunty | 16:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: KDE mysql needs for Jaunty | 16:03 |
| ScottK-laptop | KDE has two major packages that use mysql. | 16:03 |
| ScottK-laptop | akonadi and amarok. | 16:04 |
| ScottK-laptop | JontheEchidna is here also from the Kubuntu team to help me discuss | 16:04 |
| JontheEchidna | \o | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: right - I ran into akonadi when I developer the apparmor profile | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: I had some dicussion with the upstream devs about it also. | 16:04 |
| ScottK-laptop | Good. | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: IIRC you introduced me to them | 16:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | I wanted to coordinate early to ensure that our mysql packages work with akonadi so we don't have code copies. | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: IIRC the current situation is that akonadi starts its own mysql process | 16:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | Right. | 16:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/79351/ has some background. | 16:05 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/79351/ has some background. | 16:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | JontheEchidna: Jump in any time. | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, heh | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | Amarok uses mysqle for music collection management | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | I think for that we just basically need to ensure that we have mysql 5.1 for jaunty | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | and it looks like that's on the agenda ;-) | 16:06 |
| mathiaz | JontheEchidna: right - zul and I have been looking into that | 16:06 |
| zul | heh we were just talking about that | 16:06 |
| mathiaz | the issue we have for now is that mysql 5.1 doesn't build on jaunty | 16:07 |
| mathiaz | or even 5.0 | 16:07 |
| ScottK-laptop | One issue I see with amarok is that any time we do post-release updates on mysql, amarok might need rebuilding to get the benifit of the update. | 16:07 |
| ScottK-laptop | Given that amarok is using the embedded approach, I don't think that's avoidable. | 16:07 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: IIUC amarok uses the embedded mysql library that comes with 5.1 | 16:08 |
| ScottK-laptop | Yes. | 16:08 |
| ScottK-laptop | That's why it needs 5.1. | 16:08 |
| zul | well once we get mysql to build then I dont see a problem with it | 16:08 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: ok - what would be the consequence of not packaging 5.1 in jaunty? | 16:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | So I think somewhere it needs to be written down "If you do a security update of mysql, rebuild amarok against it for Jaunty and follow" | 16:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | We need 5.1 in some form for amarok2 (which is the KDE4 version). | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | mathiaz: If we don't package 5.1 apachelogger sez that there's a set of two patches we can use to make it work with amarok | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: the reason I ask this is because there has been a blog post on planet.mysql.com stating the 5.1 wasn't ready for production | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | JontheEchidna: patches for 5.0? | 16:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | So either it's packaged by the distro, it's stuffed inside the amarok package, or we're stuck on the KDE3 version again (this is a very bad thing). | 16:10 |
| JontheEchidna | I would assume so | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | JontheEchidna: IIUC amarok requires mysql embeded and 5.0 doesn't have support for embededd. | 16:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | JontheEchidna: That note he left is about patches to 5.1. | 16:10 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 16:10 |
| JontheEchidna | nevermind then | 16:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | Well amarok2 is at RC stage using it. | 16:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | So it must be at least ok'ish. | 16:11 |
| ScottK-laptop | Part of the trick here is that amarok is in Main, so this would need to be in Main. | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: right - I don't a personal opinion about the state of 5.1 - I've just been watching the MySQL community | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | I don't *have* | 16:12 |
| ScottK-laptop | One way or another we'll need 5.1. | 16:12 |
| * ScottK-laptop nods. | 16:12 | |
| JontheEchidna | We did package our own mysql bits for a PPA containing amarok2, so that's a possibility | 16:12 |
| ScottK-laptop | Right. That's what we'd like to avoid. | 16:12 |
| ScottK-laptop | Who is working on mysql for server team? | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | yeah - packaging mysql 5.1 in amarok would make the security team cry | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: zul and me mainly | 16:13 |
| * jdstrand sniffles | 16:13 | |
| zul | is this embeded stuff jut a library? | 16:13 |
| JontheEchidna | zul: libmysql is all that's needed at build time | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | zul: yeah - it was in 4.0 or 4.1 IIRC | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | zul: but 5.0 doesn't ship it. | 16:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | JontheEchidna: Maybe you could coordinate with them to pass on what you did in the PPA so they have the advantage of that work. | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | so it seems we have one application in main that requires 5.1 | 16:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | Yes. | 16:13 |
| jdstrand | so 5.1 isn't considered ready for production by mysql themselves? | 16:13 |
| JontheEchidna | brb | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: it is now. | 16:14 |
| zul | couldnt we jut promote the library and keep everything else in universe for 5.1 if we decide that 5.1 is not stable enough | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: 5.1.30 has been declare GA | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: Nov 27th | 16:14 |
| ScottK-laptop | zul: presumably. | 16:14 |
| jdstrand | mathiaz: so our plan is to move to 5.1 whole hog and drop 5.0 support in jaunty? | 16:14 |
| jdstrand | or support both? | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: that would be one option | 16:14 |
| zul | icky.. | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: I'd go for 5.1 in main and 5.0 in universe | 16:15 |
| jdstrand | mathiaz: that seems reasonable to me | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: the same way we have 4.1 in universe | 16:15 |
| ScottK-laptop | Does mysql support multiple versions alongside like postgresql does (I'm more familiar with that)? | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | however moving 5.1 in main means we'd have to take of the library transition | 16:15 |
| jdstrand | I don't want to be supporting two separate releases in main if at all possible | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: AFAICT no | 16:16 |
| zul | it doesnt | 16:16 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK-laptop: we have the packaging in a bzr branch, so it should be fairly easy to share | 16:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | Any standard Kubuntu install will use akonadi and amarok both. | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | JontheEchidna: are you running the test suite during the build? | 16:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | So it sounds like akonadi will have to migrate to 5.1 too then to be co-installable. | 16:16 |
| JontheEchidna | mathiaz: I don't know (I've only done updates to the packaging), apachelogger probably would though | 16:17 |
| JontheEchidna | ...but he's not here :( | 16:17 |
| zul | is it somewhere now? | 16:17 |
| mathiaz | the main issue now is that the test suite fails. | 16:18 |
| ScottK-laptop | zul: Am I correct then that since amarok needs 5.1 and it needs to be co-installable with akonadi, that akonadi also needs to use 5.1? | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: yes - that's a reasonable assumption. | 16:18 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, maybe he doesn't have it in a bzr branch... | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: we could try to support both libmysql 5.0 and 5.1 in main | 16:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | mathiaz: OK, so it sounds like Kubuntu pretty well HAS to get 5.1 then. | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | but that means the security would have to support two version of mysql | 16:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | Once it's akonadi it's more than just the lib. | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | Ok - so to summarize | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | it seems we have a compeling use case to get 5.1 in jaunty | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | zul and I have already been looking into merging 5.1 from experimental | 16:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | Amarok2 will be one of Kubuntu's marquee features for Jaunty, so we REALLY need it. | 16:20 |
| * JontheEchidna would cry if we had to include JuK | 16:21 | |
| mathiaz | zul: could you look into the library transition? | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | zul: ie have list of package that would need to be rebuild? | 16:21 |
| zul | mathiaz: yeah I could | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] zul to document the library transition requirement for mysql 5.1 | 16:22 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul to document the library transition requirement for mysql 5.1 | 16:22 |
| mathiaz | I'll try to get some input on the test failure while working on the 5.1 merge | 16:22 |
| ScottK-laptop | mathiaz: How about some action to look into security team's position on supporting two versions in Main. | 16:22 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz to look into test build failures of mysql 5.1 | 16:22 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz to look into test build failures of mysql 5.1 | 16:22 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: well - jdstrand already expressed his view | 16:23 |
| ScottK-laptop | mathiaz: He didn't say no. | 16:23 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: they rarely say no... they always express concerns ;) | 16:23 |
| zoopster1 | are there any lp entries that I can get mysql engineers to look at to help the cause? I have a bi-montlhy call with a mysql liason | 16:23 |
| jdstrand | I am confident in expressing that we do not want to do that if at all possible | 16:23 |
| ScottK-laptop | jdstrand: ;-) | 16:24 |
| ScottK-laptop | zoopster1: When's the next call? | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: having only 5.1 in main mean that akonadi should support 5.1 | 16:24 |
| jdstrand | it is a very strong-- "please, please don't" | 16:24 |
| jdstrand | :) | 16:24 |
| ScottK-laptop | mathiaz: Having 5.0/5.1 not coinstallable means akonadi needs to be 5.1 | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: however I don't see why akonadi wouldn't work with 5.1 since it starts it's own mysql process | 16:25 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: IIUC akonadi doesn't use a library | 16:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | Agreed, to the extent 5.1 is stable, reliable, etc. | 16:25 |
| zoopster1 | thurs 1:30 et | 16:25 |
| mathiaz | ScottK-laptop: so it just uses SQL | 16:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | mathiaz: Well there's your deadline to get some help ^^^ | 16:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | Akonadi carries user critical data, so it has to be reliable. | 16:26 |
| mathiaz | zoopster1: I'll get in touch with you if I ran into issues. | 16:26 |
| mathiaz | ok - let's move on. | 16:26 |
| ScottK-laptop | mathiaz: How about an action to let Kubuntu developers know when 5.1 hits the archive and one for us to update akonadi to 5.1. | 16:26 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. Thanks. | 16:27 |
| ScottK-laptop | JontheEchidna: Thanks. | 16:27 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK-laptop: You're welcome | 16:27 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: Thanks (in abstentia). | 16:27 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] split https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM in multiple sub pages | 16:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: split https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM in multiple sub pages | 16:27 |
| zoopster1 | mathiaz: deal | 16:27 |
| ScottK-laptop | Have a nice meeting everyone. | 16:27 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: what's your brilliant idea? | 16:27 |
| nijaba | no that brillant | 16:28 |
| nijaba | I just think the page is too bug | 16:28 |
| nijaba | big | 16:28 |
| nijaba | and that it could be splitted in sub pages | 16:28 |
| nijaba | but wanted to see if people had objections before doing so | 16:29 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: do you have an idea about the structure? | 16:29 |
| kirkland | nijaba: multiple pages could definitely be more effective, done correctly | 16:29 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: not yet, but that would be a theme structure. one sub section will be dedicated to windows guest, that's sure | 16:29 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: ok - so the first step would be to come up with the structure | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: and then content can be moved from the main page to its sub-page | 16:31 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: ok. you can action me on that | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: great. could you add an item in the roadmap and put up the new structure as bullet points there? | 16:31 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: fine | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: I don't think we need a blueprint for that | 16:31 |
| nijaba | hope not ;) | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] nijaba to add an item about KVM wiki page restructure on the Roadmap and list the new structure | 16:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: nijaba to add an item about KVM wiki page restructure on the Roadmap and list the new structure | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Encrypted home: beta available | 16:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Encrypted home: beta available | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: has an amazing news! | 16:32 |
| * jjesse waits exepenctantly | 16:33 | |
| kirkland | mathiaz, et al: encrypted home directory code is working well :-) | 16:33 |
| kirkland | I just blogged about it here: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/12/ubuntu-jaunty-encrypted-home.html, hoping for some early testers | 16:34 |
| kirkland | two packages affected, in my PPA, adduser, and ecryptfs-utils | 16:34 |
| kirkland | assuming you upgrade those two packages, it's simply a matter of "adduser --encrypt-home foo" | 16:34 |
| nijaba | kirkland: have you done any bench on perf impact? | 16:34 |
| kirkland | and foo's home directory will be setup for total encryption | 16:34 |
| kirkland | nijaba: i did a basic test | 16:35 |
| kirkland | nijaba: i debuild compiled a sufficiently large package | 16:35 |
| kirkland | nijaba: in my encrypted home dir, it took about 19 minutes | 16:35 |
| kirkland | nijaba: in a non-encrypted /tmp dir, it took almost 18 minutes | 16:35 |
| nijaba | hmmm; sounds good! | 16:35 |
| kirkland | nijaba: not very scientific, i know | 16:36 |
| kirkland | nijaba: do we have an filesystem performance testers out there? | 16:36 |
| nijaba | enough for me to be convinced to give it a shot on my test machine | 16:36 |
| kirkland | nijaba: someone that could help benchmark this? | 16:36 |
| kirkland | nijaba: good point ... test machines only at this point | 16:36 |
| kirkland | nijaba: in my PPA, and such | 16:36 |
| kirkland | the file name encryption hasn't landed in the ubuntu kernel yet | 16:36 |
| kirkland | though it is in Andrew Morton's -mm tree | 16:37 |
| kirkland | so its well on its way to upstream adoption | 16:37 |
| kirkland | i do think that should make jaunty's final kernel | 16:37 |
| kirkland | i have a number of other things still to do... | 16:37 |
| kirkland | integrating into the Server and Desktop installers | 16:37 |
| kirkland | and modifying the graphical Users and Groups program to support the option | 16:38 |
| kirkland | in any case, i think the hardest part is behind me ;-) | 16:38 |
| kirkland | so if you have a VM lying around, running Jaunty, please give it a shot ;-) | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: is the list of TODO items tracked somewhere? | 16:38 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/encrypted-home-directory | 16:39 |
| nijaba | kirkland: you could get in touch with the guys at phoronyx to give us an idea on the impact | 16:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: in the whiteboard | 16:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i still need to make a full wiki spec for it, at which point i'll migrate those over there | 16:39 |
| kirkland | nijaba: interesting, okay... do you have a contact over there? | 16:39 |
| kirkland | nijaba: those were the guys who trashed Intrepid, though, right? | 16:39 |
| nijaba | kirkland: will get you in touch with them | 16:40 |
| kirkland | nijaba: thanks | 16:40 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i'll probably shift some focus to encrypted swap now | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: right - considering that you'll have to write something up for UDS you could start a wiki page now | 16:40 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: as that's critically important to the security of the homedir's data, now, in that any cleartext homedir data *only* lives in memory, which could get swapped to disk | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: OTOH if these are just minor points, adding to the Roadmap would be enough IMO | 16:41 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: okey doke | 16:41 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i plan on having a wiki page anyway | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] kirkland to create a wiki page for encrypted home directories | 16:41 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kirkland to create a wiki page for encrypted home directories | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: anything else on the encrytped front? | 16:42 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: don't think so | 16:43 |
| Koon | kirkland: any way to have a non-encrypted foler inside an encrypted home directory ? | 16:43 |
| Koon | (folder) | 16:43 |
| kirkland | Koon: kind of ... | 16:43 |
| kirkland | Koon: ecryptfs at the kernel layer supports something called "passthrough" | 16:43 |
| kirkland | Koon: which would do what you suggest | 16:44 |
| kirkland | Koon: however, there's a couple of bugs (or feature requests) in the kernel ecryptfs filesystem that are keeping this from being feature-complete | 16:44 |
| Koon | kirkland: just asking :) | 16:44 |
| kirkland | Koon: it's a great, fair question | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | allright - let's move on | 16:44 |
| kirkland | Koon: and it's something i hope we're close to fixing | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] likewise-open SRU | 16:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: likewise-open SRU | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | Koon: ^^? | 16:45 |
| Koon | Well ,testing is now done, thanks to sommer | 16:45 |
| Koon | it's just waiting for -updates copy | 16:45 |
| mathiaz | Koon: great - any other SRU that should be tested? | 16:46 |
| Koon | mathiaz: nope, I do have a tomcat5.5 hardy SRU waiting for sponsoring though | 16:46 |
| mathiaz | Koon: bug number? | 16:46 |
| Koon | bug 179447 | 16:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 179447 in tomcat5.5 "Installation of tomcat5.5 fails if openjdk-6 or a JRE is installed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179447 | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | Koon: OTOH you'll be a MOTU soon | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | Koon: that could be your first upload | 16:47 |
| Koon | mathiaz: I hope so, so I figured I could do it myself | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Open discussion | 16:48 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open discussion | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | anything else to add?D | 16:48 |
| james_w | Koon: I'm pretty sure I uploaded that | 16:48 |
| nijaba | I guess there will be no meeting next week because of UDS, right? | 16:48 |
| kirkland | show of hands, who's attending UDS? :-) | 16:48 |
| kirkland | o/ | 16:48 |
| nijaba | o/ | 16:49 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: I was about to discuss that in the next topic | 16:49 |
| mathiaz | o/ | 16:49 |
| zul | \o\ | 16:49 |
| zoopster1 | o/ | 16:49 |
| Koon | james_w: you uploaded the intrepid fix... bug not the hardy SRU | 16:49 |
| sommer | o// | 16:49 |
| james_w | Koon: Successfully uploaded tomcat5.5_5.5.25-5ubuntu1.2_source.changes to upload.ubuntu.com. | 16:49 |
| Koon | ah.hm. | 16:49 |
| james_w | Koon: I'm trying to work out where it went | 16:49 |
| Koon | o\ | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | Reminder: dendrobates will buy any server team member a beer if they find him at UDS | 16:50 |
| james_w | Koon: Subject: [ubuntu/hardy-proposed] tomcat5.5 5.5.25-5ubuntu1.2 (Waiting for approval) | 16:50 |
| james_w | Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:10:08 -0000 | 16:50 |
| zul | mathiaz: it should be easier to corner him now | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | a picture of him can be found in his LP account - https://launchpad.net/~dendrobates/ | 16:51 |
| Koon | james_w: ok, so it's in the queue. Thanks, couldn't tell by looking at the bug | 16:52 |
| james_w | Koon: yeah, I should have added a comment I now realise. You can see it at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | anything else to add? | 16:53 |
| Koon | have a great time at UDS, guys, drink one or two beers in my name :) | 16:53 |
| nijaba | Koon: will do! | 16:53 |
| * Koon still hopes to get private access to the robotic webcam | 16:53 | |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time | 16:54 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time | 16:54 |
| mathiaz | as nijaba mentioned earlier, UDS will be taking place next week | 16:54 |
| mathiaz | and most of us will be there (sorry Koon :/ ) | 16:54 |
| mathiaz | so my proposal is to not have a server team meeting next week | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | and instead we'll meet again here on IRC in two weeks | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | same time, same place, in two weeks? | 16:55 |
| sommer | sounds good to me | 16:55 |
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| nijaba | +1 | 16:56 |
| mathiaz | great then | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | next IRC meeting in two weeks, same time, same place | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | and see most of you at UDS next week (or even earlier for those of you that attend Fosscamp | 16:58 |
| mathiaz | thanks for attending! | 16:58 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:58. | 16:58 |
| nijaba | Thanks a lot Mathiaz, see you @ Fosscamp | 16:58 |
| sommer | thanks mathiaz, later on all | 16:59 |
| pgraner | Time for the Kernel Team Weekly Meeting.... | 17:00 |
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| pgraner | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is pgraner. | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:00 |
| * apw is here | 17:00 | |
| pgraner | The agenda can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:01 |
| lieb | here | 17:01 |
| pgraner | I wanted to get some admin out of the way first. | 17:01 |
| * smb_tp arrives | 17:01 | |
| sconklin | here | 17:01 |
| * cking here | 17:01 | |
| pgraner | We will cancel next weeks meeting due to UDS and resume the following week | 17:01 |
| apw | sounds reasonable to me | 17:02 |
| pgraner | [ACTION] pgraner to update wiki, and email notifying of cancellation of next weeks meeting | 17:02 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: pgraner to update wiki, and email notifying of cancellation of next weeks meeting | 17:02 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Security and Bugfix Kernels | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security and Bugfix Kernels | 17:02 |
| pgraner | Intrepid | 17:02 |
| pgraner | How do we look? | 17:03 |
| rtg | all done | 17:03 |
| rtg | uploaded, propagated, etc | 17:03 |
| pgraner | rtg: anything filling the queue yet? | 17:03 |
| rtg | lots of SRUs puring in. | 17:03 |
| rtg | pouring, even | 17:03 |
| rtg | no CVEs that I'm aware of. | 17:04 |
| pgraner | rtg: great | 17:04 |
| pgraner | Hardy? | 17:04 |
| smb_tp | Dapper to Hardy should be done as well for security. And Hardy -proposed also looks good | 17:04 |
| smb_tp | Also no new CVEs | 17:04 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: when is proposed getting pushed? | 17:04 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, It is already uploaded. Possibly only meta missing | 17:05 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: ok... | 17:05 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Jaunty Status | 17:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Jaunty Status | 17:05 |
| pgraner | BenC, rtg: ^^^^^^^^^^ | 17:06 |
| rtg | will upload 2.6.28-2.2 momentarily | 17:06 |
| rtg | sent out mailing list note | 17:06 |
| apw | is there any userspace dependancies as yet? | 17:06 |
| pgraner | rtg: yea just saw that... mail is moving slow today :-( | 17:06 |
| rtg | its a rebase against 2.6.28-rc7 plus some other patches. | 17:06 |
| pgraner | rtg: how many sauce patches are we carrying? | 17:07 |
| rtg | dunno, but I actually dropped a couple during this rebase. | 17:07 |
| pgraner | rtg: thats info we need to gather for UDS | 17:07 |
| rtg | some wacom tablet stuff | 17:07 |
| amitk | pgraner: 46 | 17:08 |
| amitk | ...with no reference to 42 | 17:08 |
| pgraner | amitk: about the same as Intrepid ... | 17:08 |
| BenC | pgraner: sorry, got side tracked on another discussion... | 17:08 |
| pgraner | BenC: no worries... | 17:09 |
| rtg | talked to fabbione this morning. we need to update gfs as soon as he's got a version ready for .28 | 17:09 |
| apw | we have a couple of reverts in the list so there may be a couple fewer | 17:09 |
| BenC | rtg: Have you reviewed those two reverts to mainline? | 17:09 |
| pgraner | rtg: what about GFS2 I thought that superseded gfs? | 17:10 |
| amitk | apw: right. I missed that in the quick scan. 44 then. | 17:10 |
| BenC | pgraner: gfs is meant to allow moving to gfs2 | 17:10 |
| rtg | BenC: the wacom tablet reverts? yes - I looked at upstream. seems to be a superset. | 17:10 |
| pgraner | BenC: ok... I thought we were there already, I don't track GFS actively... | 17:10 |
| BenC | pgraner: they aren't compatible, and since fabbione is willing to maintain it (and is upstream for it), we are keeping it around | 17:10 |
| pgraner | BenC: ack | 17:11 |
| rtg | pgraner: fabbione says we'll have to carry it another 2 or 3 years | 17:11 |
| BenC | I'm guessing we can drop it after the next lts | 17:11 |
| pgraner | rtg: wow, thats a long cycle. Does anyone know what the others distros are doing, if anything different? | 17:11 |
| rtg | you can bet redhat is carrying it :) | 17:11 |
| BenC | pgraner: fedora/redhat are keeping it as well (fabbione works for them) | 17:11 |
| amitk | BenC: can't any of the sauce patches be upstreamed? | 17:12 |
| amitk | 44d5e51a5199cd4cf939fa3a15e03c85093f3ccd | 17:12 |
| BenC | amitk: they all need to be reviewed for that, but yes, a lot can | 17:12 |
| apw | we should probabally do a review across them | 17:12 |
| pgraner | Thats a UDS discussion | 17:13 |
| apw | is there a specific session for that? | 17:13 |
| apw | or is that a beer-tent session | 17:13 |
| rtg | apw: I think there is a session for it | 17:13 |
| pgraner | apw: yes | 17:14 |
| pgraner | Anything else for Jaunty? | 17:14 |
| rtg | beer tents are too noisy for that sort of thing | 17:14 |
| BenC | pgraner: lrm is prepped and ready for upload | 17:14 |
| pgraner | I think we will hammer quite a bit out during UDS | 17:14 |
| pgraner | BenC: nice | 17:14 |
| BenC | pgraner: nothing needed to be ported, was a clean compile | 17:14 |
| amitk | BenC: any plans to replace madwifi HAL? | 17:15 |
| amitk | and move it out of LRM? | 17:15 |
| BenC | amitk: gonna leave that to rtg...I have no hardware to confirm it | 17:15 |
| rtg | amitk: madwifi should just disappear | 17:15 |
| * amitk nods | 17:15 | |
| BenC | rtg: will ath5k/ath9k be using the newly open sources hal? | 17:15 |
| amitk | but untile ath5k and ath9k works for everybody... | 17:15 |
| BenC | *sourced | 17:15 |
| amitk | *until | 17:15 |
| rtg | 9k isn't relevant, only 5k. and 5k ought to be a superset by now. | 17:16 |
| rtg | Luis will be at UDS, we can chat him up about it. | 17:16 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] ARM | 17:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM | 17:16 |
| pgraner | amitk: anything new since last week? | 17:17 |
| BenC | looks like armel built fine with -1.1 upload, so that's a big plus | 17:17 |
| amitk | wading through a _huge_ patchset that is the diff between Linus' tree and linux-omap tree | 17:17 |
| apw | is that the like 500k commits one? | 17:17 |
| amitk | UDS decision to be made: go with linux-omap tree for all -omap flavours OR | 17:18 |
| rtg | amitk: are you cross compiling ? | 17:18 |
| amitk | apply several hundred patches to the ubuntu kernel | 17:18 |
| amitk | rtg: yes | 17:18 |
| pgraner | amitk: whats the story with the omap tree? when are those patches expected to be in mainline? | 17:18 |
| amitk | pgraner: another year :) | 17:18 |
| pgraner | amitk: ouch | 17:18 |
| amitk | lots of driver fixes needed. | 17:19 |
| amitk | plus first they go to Russell's tree (linux-arm) | 17:19 |
| amitk | then on to Linus' | 17:19 |
| cking | amitk: maintenance nightmare | 17:19 |
| pgraner | amitk: ok, we will have that as part of the general kernel roundtable. I'm just worried about bug/security divergence | 17:19 |
| amitk | pgraner: in general it is _possible_ to apply the patches to our tree | 17:19 |
| amitk | since linux-omap is very uptodate with linus' tree | 17:20 |
| pgraner | amitk: sounds like its time for a new guy to step up </hint> | 17:20 |
| amitk | but I'll leave the decision to UDS with some more numbers in terms of patches and effort | 17:20 |
| pgraner | Ok... anything else amitk ? | 17:20 |
| amitk | it would help if someone can take lpia burden off for a while... | 17:21 |
| pgraner | amitk: ok, we can do that next week when we are all together | 17:21 |
| amitk | ack | 17:21 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 17:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 17:21 |
| pgraner | Go for it! | 17:21 |
| apw | where are we with the various blueprints | 17:22 |
| rtg | rumor has it that pgraner buys all of the beer next week. | 17:22 |
| * apw remembers that too | 17:22 | |
| amitk | rtg: I heard that one too | 17:22 |
| * pgraner buys with rtg's credit card | 17:22 | |
| apw | sneaky | 17:22 |
| * rtg expenses everything | 17:22 | |
| cking | heh | 17:22 |
| pgraner | apw: we will hit blueprints in the next topic | 17:23 |
| * pgraner notes that rtg has an answer for everything | 17:23 | |
| pgraner | I guess we can move on then... | 17:23 |
| ogasawara | we're looking good for bugs getting worked on from the weekly buglist | 17:23 |
| apw | ogasawara, your list is much easier to work with now thanks again for the updates | 17:24 |
| pgraner | Oh... sorry ogasawara I forgot to add you back on the agenda. I'll fix now | 17:24 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: I too like the new format | 17:24 |
| sconklin | +1 | 17:24 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] UDS | 17:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UDS | 17:25 |
| pgraner | Blueprints are done except for two: kernel-packaging & Kernel Faster Booting | 17:25 |
| rtg | its on my todo list for today | 17:26 |
| pgraner | I've got a call with sconklin later today on the packaging one | 17:26 |
| amitk | guilty as charged. Working on it in bits and pieces | 17:26 |
| pgraner | rtg: great... | 17:26 |
| apw | i have some updates to do, but the bulk is there | 17:26 |
| amitk | hard to write a spec that you don't really agree with... | 17:26 |
| pgraner | amitk: we need to have it flused out buy the actual session so there is a bit of time | 17:27 |
| amitk | akc | 17:27 |
| amitk | ack | 17:27 |
| pgraner | amitk: its not so much that you agree with it, its about the investigation and making sure we cover all the alternatives | 17:27 |
| apw | amitk, in a sense being a harsh critic makes you think about the bad points better, and those are just as valid, as are alternative options | 17:28 |
| amitk | pgraner: just to be sure, this isn't about speeding up boot in general, right? | 17:28 |
| amitk | it is about booting from a pre-saved image | 17:28 |
| pgraner | amitk: there are two different blue prints, rtg has Faster boot. You have the presaved image. Much like what we talked about in London | 17:28 |
| amitk | ok. good. | 17:29 |
| rtg | amitk: why is fast boot a separate spec? | 17:29 |
| rtg | isn't pre-saved image just another method for fater boot? | 17:29 |
| amitk | rtg: because it is not necessary achievable for all hardware? And is bootloader dependent? | 17:29 |
| pgraner | rtg: the presaved image is a "instant on" type thing | 17:29 |
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| pgraner | I would ask that everyone read all the specs and add to them as you see fit. The more there the better. | 17:30 |
| rtg | I'll have idle moments during FOSS camp to do just that. | 17:31 |
| pgraner | Anything else on UDS? | 17:31 |
| pgraner | I'll take silence as approval.... | 17:32 |
| apw | nothing here | 17:32 |
| smb_tp | ack | 17:32 |
| lieb | ack | 17:33 |
| cking | silent ack | 17:33 |
| pgraner | Reminder no meeting next week. See everyone at UDS! | 17:33 |
| apw | see you there! | 17:33 |
| amitk | bye | 17:33 |
| BenC | see ya! | 17:33 |
| dholbach | see you there :-) | 17:33 |
| smb_tp | till then | 17:33 |
| pgraner | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:34. | 17:34 |
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| nizarus | @schedule tunis | 19:17 |
| ubottu | Schedule for Africa/Tunis: 02 Dec 22:00: Community Council | 03 Dec 00:00: Forum Council | 03 Dec 17:00: Foundation Team | 03 Dec 18:00: QA Team | 04 Dec 13:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 04 Dec 14:00: Desktop Team | 19:17 |
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| Burgundavia | hmm, anybody else around? | 20:57 |
| boredandblogging | hope so | 20:57 |
| hatemsh | hi all | 20:57 |
| MaWaLe | hi folks | 20:58 |
| MaWaLe | hi boredandblogging | 20:58 |
| Burgundavia | quorum is > 1, sadly | 20:58 |
| Technoviking | hello | 20:59 |
| Technoviking | I'm here, my wireless is hazy, may drop off | 21:00 |
| Burgundavia | so we have two | 21:01 |
| cody-somerville | I'm around | 21:01 |
| sabdfl | hello all | 21:03 |
| Burgundavia | excellent | 21:03 |
| sabdfl | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 21:03 |
| sabdfl | is Nick Ali present? | 21:04 |
| boredandblogging | here | 21:04 |
| sabdfl | do we have quorum? | 21:04 |
| Technoviking | 3 of us | 21:04 |
| boredandblogging | i wrote up some notes on /talk | 21:04 |
| boredandblogging | i can rehash if needed or clarify | 21:04 |
| Burgundavia | the first issue the news team calendar? | 21:05 |
| boredandblogging | Burgundavia: yes | 21:06 |
| Burgundavia | can we avoid the whole development issue by using google calendar and then feed that into drupal? | 21:06 |
| boredandblogging | the meeting bot still needs to be fixed | 21:06 |
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| boredandblogging | and thats the main problem | 21:07 |
| sabdfl | does google calendar not handle the repeating nature? | 21:07 |
| sabdfl | i.e. can we get a feed from google with repeating events exploded out? | 21:08 |
| boredandblogging | the google calendar handles it fine | 21:08 |
| Burgundavia | it would just spit out an ical file | 21:08 |
| Burgundavia | can we not feed that into drupal and thus the events become non-repeating? | 21:08 |
| sabdfl | it does spit out ical, but does it also spit out a list of events in another format? | 21:08 |
| boredandblogging | ical and ics is all I've seen | 21:09 |
| boredandblogging | reading feeds into drupal is not the easiest thing especially into the event modules | 21:09 |
| nizarus | ical, xml and html | 21:09 |
| boredandblogging | feeds are handled completely differently | 21:09 |
| sabdfl | does the newer drupal codebase work with repeating events? | 21:09 |
| boredandblogging | we haven't tested it out | 21:10 |
| boredandblogging | but if it did do it properly, still a meeting bot issue | 21:10 |
| boredandblogging | but if it did each event separately, it could work | 21:10 |
| boredandblogging | but I'm not sure why it would break it out | 21:10 |
| Technoviking | who runs the meeting bot code? | 21:11 |
| boredandblogging | stdin | 21:11 |
| Burgundavia | does the ical file lists the events as repeating or one event at a time? | 21:11 |
| boredandblogging | repeating | 21:11 |
| sabdfl | it gets even trickier when you have a repeating event that gets moved around for one instance | 21:12 |
| boredandblogging | correct | 21:12 |
| sabdfl | i.e. a CC meeting that gets pushed back an hour on a particular week | 21:12 |
| boredandblogging | yeah, I'm not sure how ical handles that, but right the code would have to consider that | 21:13 |
| sabdfl | did we develop this bot, or is it something that existed elsewhere that we adapted? | 21:13 |
| Burgundavia | indeed, my thought | 21:13 |
| boredandblogging | savveas | 21:13 |
| sabdfl | is it in python...? | 21:14 |
| boredandblogging | yeah, its a supybot module | 21:14 |
| Burgundavia | so you are asking for Canonical resources, essentially? | 21:16 |
| boredandblogging | heh | 21:16 |
| boredandblogging | at least finding someone to fix the bot | 21:16 |
| boredandblogging | anyone who can code and make the changes | 21:16 |
| Burgundavia | given we at the CC are more of the moral persuasion | 21:16 |
| Burgundavia | have you tried blogging about it? | 21:16 |
| sabdfl | i wonder if google's api doesn't allow us to count on it for expanding out the ical file | 21:17 |
| Burgundavia | apologies if you have, been heads down with school recently | 21:17 |
| boredandblogging | i haven't blogged about it | 21:17 |
| sabdfl | i will send off an email to some folks at canonical that just did some work on google calendar scripting | 21:17 |
| Technoviking | sorry wireless drop off for a minute | 21:17 |
| sabdfl | i take it that it's sufficient to be able to monitor a google calendar and announce events in a set of channels? | 21:17 |
| boredandblogging | sabdfl: yeah, we just want to maintain its current functionality | 21:18 |
| sabdfl | i don't know the full extent of that :-) | 21:18 |
| sabdfl | ok, i'll send that mail, nick what's your email addy? | 21:18 |
| boredandblogging | sabdfl: nali @ ubuntu | 21:19 |
| sabdfl | okdokey, will cc you | 21:19 |
| sabdfl | hope something good comes out of it | 21:19 |
| boredandblogging | thanks guys | 21:19 |
| sabdfl | yann hamon? | 21:19 |
| Burgundavia | postponed until the 16th | 21:20 |
| sabdfl | do we have a view on corporate blogs and planet? this came up before with canonical | 21:20 |
| Burgundavia | as long as it isn't overt advertising, I don't have a major issue with it | 21:21 |
| Burgundavia | something like Novells PR blog on planet suse is a bit too advertising for me, for example | 21:21 |
| sabdfl | how about we subscribe to a subset feed? | 21:22 |
| sabdfl | say, if they explicitly tag it "planet" then we take it? | 21:22 |
| sabdfl | and then we also hold them accountable for not advertising? | 21:22 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 21:22 |
| Burgundavia | maybe we have a trial period? | 21:23 |
| sabdfl | that makes "publish on planet" a conscious decision, rather than an accident | 21:23 |
| Technoviking | don't think so, I think it would be fine to have a corporate blog feed to the planet if it is Ubuntu releated, no sales pitch! | 21:23 |
| Technoviking | +1 | 21:23 |
| sabdfl | i think a review in three months would be useful | 21:23 |
| sabdfl | if only to say "so far so groovy" | 21:23 |
| Burgundavia | that works | 21:23 |
| Technoviking | sounds like a plan | 21:24 |
| Burgundavia | should we explicitly list the corporate blogs somewhere on the wiki with the rules? | 21:24 |
| Burgundavia | and how to get added? | 21:24 |
| sabdfl | where should we document this policy guideline? | 21:24 |
| Burgundavia | Planet/CorporateBlogs | 21:24 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 21:24 |
| sabdfl | if it's just one paragraph, can we add it to the main page? | 21:25 |
| sabdfl | how about requiring CC approval? | 21:25 |
| sabdfl | just so we don't get folks adding companies that are almost peripheral | 21:25 |
| boredandblogging | wouldn't it be better to have a separate planet for it? I would think a lot of companies would be interested | 21:25 |
| Burgundavia | a corporate ghetto? no thanks | 21:26 |
| sabdfl | we don't have a concept of "corporate membership" but i think some awareness at CC level would be useful, until it gets bedded down and can be delegated | 21:26 |
| sabdfl | i agree, a separate planet would be less useful | 21:26 |
| Burgundavia | corporations can be just as much a part of the community as a person | 21:26 |
| sabdfl | +1 | 21:26 |
| lifeless | I think it would be great to have the companies deeply into Ubuntu blogging on planet | 21:26 |
| lifeless | just as a non-cc-member opinion | 21:26 |
| Burgundavia | we should also encourage their engineers, etc. to create blogs and post about projects they are working on | 21:26 |
| boredandblogging | just afraid the planet would get swamped, but that can be dealt with later | 21:27 |
| Burgundavia | subject to normal membership guidelines, etc. | 21:27 |
| sabdfl | ok | 21:27 |
| sabdfl | Burgundavia: would you draft a paragraph for the Planet page? | 21:27 |
| sabdfl | salient points are: | 21:27 |
| Burgundavia | should we ask that at least one person at the company is a member (strawman, not certain if I like it or hate it) | 21:27 |
| sabdfl | - "conscious subsets" of corporate blogs can be published on planet | 21:28 |
| sabdfl | - needs to be agreed with CC | 21:28 |
| sabdfl | - criteria will be sustained and significant involvement in Ubuntu by the company | 21:28 |
| sabdfl | - and no advertising on posts flagged for publishing on planet | 21:28 |
| sabdfl | Burgundavia: +1 | 21:28 |
| sabdfl | (on the requirement that the company have a member to take responsibility) | 21:29 |
| Burgundavia | Technoviking: ? | 21:29 |
| sabdfl | any other bullets folks would add to that list? | 21:29 |
| Technoviking | +1 on that | 21:29 |
| boredandblogging | creative commons licensed? | 21:29 |
| Technoviking | It sounds like a great idea | 21:29 |
| lifeless | boredandblogging: don't see that that is specific to company blogs | 21:29 |
| Burgundavia | boredandblogging: enforcing licensing may lead to legal issues that prevent blogging | 21:30 |
| sabdfl | do we have an existing requirement of CC licensing for planet? | 21:30 |
| Technoviking | I think posts to the planet would have to be creative commons licenced | 21:30 |
| sabdfl | i don't think we require that for individuals, do we? | 21:31 |
| Burgundavia | not currently, unless i have really been sleeping at the switch | 21:31 |
| Technoviking | I thought we did, but I may be think of the forums post | 21:32 |
| sabdfl | i take it we have explicit permission, since people subscribe us to their feed | 21:32 |
| sabdfl | i'm -1 on treating corp blogs differently from a licensing perspective | 21:32 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 21:33 |
| sabdfl | Technoviking: ? | 21:33 |
| Technoviking | that is fine with me, no need for license | 21:33 |
| sabdfl | other than implied permission to republish | 21:33 |
| sabdfl | ok | 21:33 |
| sabdfl | Burgundavia: is that enough for you? | 21:33 |
| Burgundavia | yep, am working on it right now | 21:34 |
| sabdfl | okdokey | 21:34 |
| sabdfl | is that a wrap? | 21:34 |
| james_w | a related question if you have a moment | 21:34 |
| sabdfl | Burgundavia: will you cc a copy of that to the UWN folks? | 21:35 |
| sabdfl | james_w: go for it | 21:35 |
| Technoviking | is someone from Tunisian LoCo Team here | 21:35 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs | 21:35 |
| nizarus | o/ | 21:35 |
| Burgundavia | first cut | 21:35 |
| james_w | does every blog on planet have to be an Ubuntu member, or can you "sponsor" people on to it? | 21:35 |
| sabdfl | james_w: the former | 21:35 |
| Burgundavia | interesting idea. why do you suggest it? | 21:35 |
| james_w | thought so, someone told me otherwise | 21:35 |
| james_w | "I've done if before and no-one complained" was the line I think :-) | 21:36 |
| Burgundavia | ahh | 21:36 |
| Burgundavia | have we actually checked that everybody int eh feed is a member? | 21:36 |
| sabdfl | that's not *really* the same thing :-) | 21:36 |
| sabdfl | Burgundavia: i don't think so, no | 21:36 |
| jcastro | Technoviking: I've been talking to one of the guys about this Tunisian thing | 21:36 |
| jcastro | Technoviking: I was going to bring it up at a UDS roundtable | 21:36 |
| Technoviking | jcastro: ok thanks | 21:36 |
| Burgundavia | do we think it is worth doing? | 21:36 |
| jcastro | I think so | 21:37 |
| sabdfl | from a canonical perspective, we have specific decision processes for that | 21:37 |
| jcastro | I am unsure on who is available and who would want to go and all that. | 21:37 |
| sabdfl | jcastro is plugged in | 21:37 |
| Burgundavia | sabdfl: for the corporate blogs page, I am going to circulate on the mailing list for comments before we send it off to the UWN | 21:38 |
| sabdfl | Burgundavia: +1 | 21:38 |
| sabdfl | on the Tunis question, i think we should let jcastro tackle it | 21:38 |
| jcastro | I've TODOed it for UDS | 21:38 |
| sabdfl | if it's appropriate for Canonical to sponsor an Ubuntu member, we'll do that | 21:38 |
| Technoviking | Burgundavia: looks great: +1 | 21:38 |
| Technoviking | sabdfl: +1, jcastro ftw!!! | 21:39 |
| * RainCT would like to suggest allowing LoCo Teams to aggregate a feed on planet.ubuntu.com | 21:39 | |
| nizarus | tunisian loco member are here | 21:39 |
| nizarus | me alibb MaWaLe hatemsh :) | 21:40 |
| hatemsh | yeh | 21:40 |
| MaWaLe | here | 21:40 |
| Technoviking | nizarus: jcastro is going to work with you | 21:40 |
| nizarus | ok Technoviking | 21:41 |
| nizarus | sabdfl, you can't attend to it ?? | 21:41 |
| Burgundavia | you need to make a cloning machine with your millions. screw with open source stuff | 21:41 |
| Burgundavia | hello? | 21:45 |
| Burgundavia | just to be aware, I have to leave in about 20 minutes | 21:45 |
| sabdfl | RainCT: i think it better to ask folks to become members | 21:45 |
| Technoviking | i think we are done | 21:45 |
| * sabdfl also has to wrap up | 21:45 | |
| Burgundavia | ok | 21:46 |
| Technoviking | thanks for coming everyone, see some of you next week at UDS | 21:46 |
| Burgundavia | so still on the agenda for next time is asia pacific board and the artwork guidelines? | 21:46 |
| Burgundavia | ugh, exam week | 21:46 |
| Burgundavia | have fun | 21:46 |
| nizarus | thx all folks | 21:47 |
| sabdfl | thanks folks! | 21:48 |
| Technoviking | later all | 21:48 |
| sabdfl | Burgundavia: +1 | 21:48 |
| sabdfl | Burgundavia: just say "the CC will review in April 2009" | 21:48 |
| nizarus | sabdfl, waiting for you in Tunisia some days ;-) | 21:48 |
| MaWaLe | +1 nizarus | 21:49 |
| sabdfl | nizarus: heh, i would like to come, enjoyed WSIS | 21:49 |
| nizarus | :) | 21:50 |
| james_w | WSIS was cool | 21:50 |
| nizarus | i think we will not have a nex WSIS before 2099 :)) | 21:50 |
| nizarus | nex/new | 21:50 |
| hatemsh | unfortunatly we orgnise the wsis+3 event | 21:51 |
| hatemsh | some day ago | 21:51 |
| hatemsh | in hammamet | 21:51 |
| hatemsh | james_w, hope to meet you in the wsis+4 | 21:52 |
| james_w | I'd love to return | 21:52 |
| hatemsh | you are welcome | 21:52 |
| hatemsh | in any event and without event | 21:53 |
| hatemsh | :) | 21:53 |
| james_w | unfortunately I'm not in that line of work anymore, but you never know :-) | 21:53 |
| wrtpeeps | somebody call me when this starts | 21:53 |
| nizarus | james_w, hatemsh gives you an open invitation to visit us so just oing us :) | 21:54 |
| james_w | excellent :-) | 21:54 |
| wrtpeeps | oh wait | 21:54 |
| wrtpeeps | another hour to go | 21:54 |
| nizarus | it s avilebal for boredandblogging too :p | 21:55 |
| boredandblogging | nizarus: someday :) | 21:56 |
| MaWaLe | infact the invitation is available for all ubuntero : it's an open source invitation :p | 21:56 |
| Burgundavia | guys if you want to talk about the tunisian event, can you move to another channel? | 22:00 |
| Burgundavia | keeps the logs clear | 22:00 |
| hatemsh | Burgundavia, ok | 22:01 |
| nizarus | sorry Burgundavia we are talking about on #ubuntu-tn | 22:01 |
| Burgundavia | no worries | 22:01 |
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| Technoviking | hello all | 23:00 |
| nand | hello | 23:01 |
| Technoviking | any other FC people here | 23:01 |
| forumsmatthew | hello | 23:01 |
| wrtpeeps | hi | 23:01 |
| Technoviking | Lets give people a couple more minutes | 23:02 |
| wrtpeeps | Joeb454: :o | 23:02 |
| Joeb454 | ? | 23:02 |
| forumsmatthew | I am pretty sure ubuntu-geek is driving home atm and will arrive soon | 23:03 |
| Technoviking | ok | 23:03 |
| Technoviking | any word from jdong or kiwi | 23:03 |
| forumsmatthew | I haven't heard from either, but will start pinging | 23:03 |
| wrtpeeps | how long to these shows generally last? | 23:04 |
| Joeb454 | 8 hours | 23:05 |
| Technoviking | hourish, usually less | 23:05 |
| wrtpeeps | gawd | 23:06 |
| Technoviking | wrtpeeps: problem? | 23:06 |
| wrtpeeps | newp | 23:07 |
| Technoviking | Well, we can start but, we will not be able to ote on anything till we get one more FC person for a quoram | 23:09 |
| forumsmatthew | I would rather wait than have to repeat stuff when others arrive | 23:10 |
| nand | so do I | 23:11 |
| forumsmatthew | okay, let's give them a few minutes. I've contacted the missing people. Hopefully they just forgot and are close to their computers and not in the middle of dealing with unexpected problems | 23:12 |
| stgraber | forumsmatthew: "unexpected problems" ? does that ever happen ? | 23:13 |
| forumsmatthew | stgraber, lol :) | 23:13 |
| Joeb454 | well there was that one time jdong walked in........no nevermind ;) | 23:14 |
| Technoviking | hmmm | 23:18 |
| Technoviking | looks like we are it forumsmatthew | 23:18 |
| forumsmatthew | Yeah. Bummer. | 23:18 |
| forumsmatthew | I think we need to reschedule | 23:19 |
| Technoviking | would people mind delaying a week or so | 23:19 |
| nand | I guess we have no choice. After UDS then? | 23:19 |
| forumsmatthew | I think so. We will look at the schedule and get something up asap | 23:20 |
| nand | okay | 23:20 |
| * nand is falling asleep | 23:20 | |
| nand | good night all! | 23:21 |
| forumsmatthew | I'll send an email to the FC mailing list and get the reschedule started and we will post the new date on the wiki | 23:21 |
| forumsmatthew | night, nand | 23:21 |
| Technoviking | ok, sorry about that folks, if you have any immediate problem, send them to the forums council mailing list | 23:21 |
| forumsmatthew | the email has been sent. we will work to get a new meeting time on the wiki soon | 23:23 |
| forumsmatthew | bye, everyone! | 23:23 |
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