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happyaronoubiwann: sorry, wrong nick10:32
Vantraxwe will be getting started with the Asia-Oceania RMB Meeting in 5 min10:54
zkriessehey vanhoof10:58
zkriesseargh..tab fail10:58
zkriessei meant Vantrax10:58
Vantrax#startmeeting Asia-Oceania RMB meeting10:59
MootBotMeeting started at 04:59. The chair is Vantrax.10:59
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]10:59
VantraxHi zkriesse11:00
VantraxSummoning Asia-Oceania RMB, persia, fenris, elky, takdir, lifeless, freeflying, amachu11:00
nisshhhey all11:00
* persia peers about11:00
freeflyingVantrax: hi11:00
humphreybcgidday persia11:00
* zkriesse can vote now!11:00
nisshhhey elky11:00
happyaronhey lifeless_11:00
Vantraxsorry zkriesse not here you cant11:01
Vantraxonly the board can vote11:01
zkriesseoh darnit..forgot..11:01
zkriessewish i could11:01
nisshhzkriesse: lol11:01
Destinehi all11:01
Vantraxinput is always welcome tho11:01
pocoyoDestine: you hi. :D11:02
oneleafhi all11:02
happyarononeleaf: hi11:02
wzssyqaoneleaf: hi11:02
Vantraxso im seeing freeflying elky persia and myself here, we have quorum11:02
Destineoneleaf, hi11:02
VantraxNasir Khan Saikat you here today?11:02
Vantraxping nasirkhan11:03
VantraxOk, im going to remove him from the list, thats 4 in a row hes not been here11:03
zkriesseguess he's not worried about it anymore11:03
VantraxBenjamin Humphrey11:04
* zkriesse is here to support Ben11:04
humphreybchow goes it?11:04
Vantrax[TOPIC] humphreybc for Ubuntu Membership11:04
MootBotNew Topic:  humphreybc for Ubuntu Membership11:04
VantraxGive us your story:P11:04
* thorwil proposes the crowd cheers for humphreybc and it's declared an obvious case!11:04
humphreybclet's see11:05
* nisshh loves storytime :)11:05
Vantraxthorwil, shhh, we have to go through the process:P11:06
humphreybcI started using Ubuntu at the beginning of last year, quickly got involved in the community, started my own project at the end of last year which turned into something rather huge, was sponsored and attended UDS in Brussels this past May, work heavily on several projects right now: Ubuntu Manual Project, OMG! Ubuntu!, Ayatana, Ayatana UX, work closely with the design team and a few other bits and pieces11:06
humphreybcand the rest is history?11:06
Vantraxpretty much11:07
humphreybcI have a wiki page11:07
MootBotLINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/humphreybc11:07
Vantraxso, assuming you do get confirmed what are your next plans?11:07
humphreybcand I think I have some ridiculous amount of karma too11:07
zkriesseIf I may say, humphreybc does an awesome job leading the manual project and he's a good friend who's willing to help and share his knowledge11:07
nisshhzkriesse: i think we get to that in a bit11:07
humphreybcwell, we have some pretty awesome stuff planned for OMG! Ubuntu!, at UDS I hung out with the design team a lot and we're working on some new stuff to improve first use cases for Ubuntu in Maverick, or +111:08
humphreybcObviously UMP will continue on till eternity and we have a crapload of things happening there11:08
humphreybcthere's this which should be fun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center11:08
* Vantrax loves the support and learning center11:08
humphreybcAnd we need to get Ayatana UX back on track11:09
VantraxOkies, who here wants to give a testimony for humphreybc11:09
humphreybcbut yeah, basically: lots of stuff to do, not enough time. Although, that's fairly common in open source :P11:09
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* nisshh does11:09
* zkriesse does11:09
humphreybcah yes, Ryan!11:09
Vantraxgo ahead11:09
humphreybcand Zach :)11:09
nisshhok, me first11:10
zkriessenisshh: ya got it first11:10
thorwilhumphreybc is incredible energetic, learns fast, listens and makes people get stuff done (besides getting stuff done himself)11:10
humphreybcBoth of these chaps have done quite a bit of work in UMP which is cool11:10
humphreybcoh and of course we all know Thorsten11:10
freeflyinghumphreybc: Specification Tracking 3418911:10
freeflyingits awesome11:10
Vantraxok anyone not ready to vote?11:11
nisshhhumphreybc, is a great guy to work with, he is always listening and alway willing to help you out. I really enjoy hanging out on IRC with him and hope there are some great times to come.11:11
humphreybcfreeflying: haha11:11
persiahumphreybc: So, you've come to our board before, and it's nice to see you back.  Is there anything specific that you think has changed between then and now, or just more volume of the same things?11:11
zkriesseWell let's see...ben is an awesome guy to work with, so glad he was willing to have me on the UMP...guess my wiki skills help somewhat but i've a lot to learn. Ben is willing to teach though and i'm glad he's around....11:12
Vantraxoohh nice question persia11:12
humphreybcpersia: well, I think it's a tonne of new stuff, but in large volumes too. Last time I was here I think I certainly wasn't ready for membership, but since then I've started a couple of projects (which have been pretty successful thus far), been sponsored for a UDS, been mentioned in Mark's keynote(!) and of course picked up writing and podcasting for OMG! Ubuntu!11:13
humphreybcI've also got into design a lot more and am working with the design team in London on an almost daily basis, which is great.11:13
thorwilthere's also a running website and a successfull release of the manual11:13
jenkinsI would also say humphreybc is great, he has made sure there is a something for people to do, he is always open to new suggestions and willing to help.11:14
humphreybcthorwil: oh yeah, I think we've surpassed 100,000 downloads now or something11:14
jenkinsand quickshot11:14
humphreybcand I've been doing a bit more with my LoCo too11:14
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humphreybcalthough, #ubuntu-nz is fairly quiet. I have been to an NZ python user group meeting though. Tim Penhey dragged me along11:14
vishyeah , go humphreybc!  :D11:14
Vantraxhumphreybc, involved in the Ubuntu stuff at Linux.conf.au?11:15
humphreybcVantrax: nope, you'll have to tell me about it11:15
Vantraxyeah, was in wellington this year11:15
Vantraxbrisbane next year:P11:15
humphreybcI could save up..11:16
Vantraxokies anyone not ready to vote?11:16
* humphreybc is still a poor student11:16
* zkriesse would if he could11:16
Vantraxyou should, its one of the top linux conferences in the world11:16
* nisshh might get there11:16
Vantraxanyway, that is something to talk about later11:16
humphreybcat least nisshh lives in Australia11:16
humphreybcAlthough on on the wrong side11:16
nisshhwest coast yea11:16
humphreybcVantrax: yeah, I'll chase you up on details11:16
* humphreybc makes a post it note11:17
ballPresumably only existing members have a valid vote?11:17
Vantrax[VOTE] humphreybc for Ubuntu Membership (Board member votes only please)11:17
MootBotPlease vote on:  humphreybc for Ubuntu Membership (Board member votes only please).11:17
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MootBot+1 received from Vantrax. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 111:17
MootBot+1 received from freeflying. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 211:17
Vantraxhumphreybc, do that, been meaning to chase you up and help you out with your projects too11:18
MootBot+1 received from elky. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 311:18
Vantraxpoke persia11:18
MootBot+1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 411:18
zkriesseVantrax: when this is done open a pm with me plz if yo don't mind11:18
MootBotFinal result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 411:19
VantraxWell done humphreybc11:19
zkriesseCONGRATS humphreybc!!!!!!!!!!!11:19
humphreybchooray :)11:19
Vantraxill tee you up shortly with your access11:19
happyaronhumphreybc: congrats!11:19
thorwilcongrats humphreybc11:19
humphreybcNow I can finally spam the planet with Ubuntu Manual posts? ;)11:19
jenkinscongrats humphreybc11:19
humphreybccheers fellas11:19
Vantraxyes humphreybc11:19
humphreybcThanks for coming along for support!11:19
nisshhnp :)11:19
Vantraxnow, for the board, we had a late addition to the list, want to go ahead and do it anyway, we have the time11:20
* e-jat sorry for the delay joining the meeting11:21
Vantraxthats ok fenris11:21
e-jatcongrate humphreybc11:21
humphreybcThankyou e-jat!11:21
wzssyqahumphreybc: congrate11:21
zkriesseoneleaf: ping11:21
vishoh noes! humphreybc is gonna be on the planet ubuntu ;p11:22
oneleafzkriesse: pong11:22
happyaronnext candidate should be oneleaf, right?11:22
freeflyinghappyaron: yes11:22
happyaronfreeflying: thx11:22
Vantraxhappyaron, usually they have to add themselves before the meeting:P11:22
zkriesseoneleaf: you listed yourself for requesting ubuntu membership...albiet quite late but nevertheless you have done so11:22
e-jatso continue with oneleaf ?11:22
Vantraxlong as you are all happy to11:22
Vantraxusually the board likes to be able to preread everything11:23
elkyI really hope this doesn't set a trend of people doing this.11:23
Vantraxand have questions11:23
zkriesseelky: agreed11:23
Vantraxit makes things much more difficult for us if there are last minute additions which is why im asking the board if they want to process this application this meeting11:23
oneleafsorry for doing so11:24
Vantraxthats ok, oneleaf11:24
e-jatouch .. a lot of testi .. :)11:25
Vantraxwe should probably update the wiki and make it more clear11:25
happyaronVantrax: kind you, :)11:25
DestineVantrax, thx really11:25
wzssyqaVantrax: thx11:25
zkriesseVantrax: I can grab that if you wish11:25
oneleafthank you.11:25
humphreybcbold works quite well11:25
Vantraxokies, lets go ahead and do this11:26
Vantrax[Topic] Oneleaf for Ubuntu membership11:26
MootBotNew Topic:  Oneleaf for Ubuntu membership11:26
Vantraxgo ahead and tell us about your contribution11:26
oneleafI am in charge of the routine work and maintaining of ubuntu.org.cn.11:26
oneleafalso, I do administration in the entire china loco team.11:26
oneleafI maintained a online shop on www.taobao.com , it's http://shop33760196.taobao.com/11:26
oneleafMy company does business in E-government, and we have promoted ubuntu server to the local goverment. and we would like to promote enterprise cloud to the related government departments. The local government has adopted the Ubuntu server technology we suggested and everything is currently going smoothly. we had cooperated with Oracle and we recommended ubuntu to more than 300 enterprises.11:26
oneleafMy company site is http://www.bsw.com.cn/11:27
oneleafi created the ubuntu.org.cn site.11:27
wzssyqaGreat Ubuntu and great ubuntu.org.cn11:28
e-jatoneleaf: how about the desktop .. did the government adopted it also ?11:29
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freeflyinge-jat: thats a good question, if you have interesting, we can talk a little bit more on this later11:29
MootBotLINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oneleaf11:30
e-jatfreeflying: my pleasure ..11:30
persiaoneleaf: You've been active in Ubuntu for quite a while now.  What made you decide to apply for membership now?11:31
oneleafi thought i was not qualified yet, and i want to contribute more.11:33
Vantraxthat is never a bad thing11:33
happyarononeleaf is a modest person as far as I know in daily life11:34
wzssyqawhen somebody need help,he will be activity11:34
Destinehe will be very helpful and he is willing to help11:35
Vantraxokies, anyone have more questions?11:35
Vantrax[VOTE] oneleaf for Ubuntu Membership11:37
MootBotPlease vote on:  oneleaf for Ubuntu Membership.11:37
MootBotPublic votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot11:37
MootBotE.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting11:37
MootBot+1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 111:37
Vantrax+1 from me, love the loco involvement and the work your doing in china11:37
MootBot+1 received from elky. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 211:37
MootBot+1 received from Vantrax. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 311:37
MootBotPrivate +1 vote received. 4 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 411:37
MootBot+1 received from freeflying. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 511:37
MootBotFinal result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 511:38
Vantraxgrats oneleaf11:38
happyarononeleaf: well done!11:38
zkriessecongrats dude!11:38
Vantraxill process you shortly too:P11:38
oneleafthank you all11:38
tenzuoneleaf: congratulations!11:38
pocoyooneleaf: 善~11:38
Destineoneleaf, congrats11:38
VantraxId also like to thank persia for consistently contribution great well researched questions11:39
Vantraxunless there is any other matters, ill close the meeting off11:39
* persia credits memory rather than research :)11:39
e-jataarrhh .. i miss a gain .. btw congrate oneleaf11:40
MootBotMeeting finished at 05:41.11:41
Vantraxthanks for coming all, next none in two weeks, same time11:41
takdirhi Vantrax, elky persia freeflying,  sorry i'm late to Asia-Oceania RMB Meeting :(11:58
Vantraxtakdir, thats ok we finished early11:59
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* persia peers about13:57
dyfettrue almost time13:58
* davidm sees persia peering about and wonders why persia is peering about13:58
jykaeFYI, my blog just started http://jykae.blogspot.com/13:59
ogradyfet, there wasnt a mail ?13:59
dyfetThere wasn't??13:59
ograon the mobile list13:59
MootBotMeeting started at 08:00. The chair is dyfet.14:00
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]14:00
MootBotLINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/2010070614:00
dyfetping: persia GrueMaster davidm ogra NCommander rsalveti14:00
dyfet[topic] Action Item Review14:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Action Item Review14:00
ogradyfet, agenda misses a c/o item for persia and me14:01
dyfetIt does?14:01
davidmG'day all14:01
* persia thought it was dropped as c/o as done.14:01
ograpersia, was it ?14:02
ograoh, ok14:02
ograi know you are working on it anyway14:02
dyfetThe first action item I had was actually to introduce ricardo14:02
dyfet[topic] Introduction of rsalveti14:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Introduction of rsalveti14:03
lagHi Ricardo :)14:03
dyfetMaybe davidm would like to do this?14:03
rsalvetilag: hi :-)14:03
davidmrsalveti, can introduce himself if he likes14:04
davidmwelcome aboard rsalveti14:04
rsalvetiyeah, I can talk a little about myself14:04
dyfetokay :)14:05
rsalvetinice to be part of this team :-)14:05
dyfetAnd welcome to the team also!14:05
rsalvetiso, I just started yesterday, without doing much work actually, just setting up email, irc and reading the wiki :-)14:05
ograslacker !!!14:06
rsalvetipreviously I've been working with arm and debian based os on work and personally14:06
rsalvetilately I've been working closely with ST-E, with the new boards they have, the U850014:06
rsalvetihacking maemo on it, accelerating the Xserver and some other base system customization14:07
rsalvetinow I'm returning back to omap :-)14:07
rsalvetiI just have on beagleboard b5 in hands, so can't do much work related with maverick, but I can try :-)14:07
ograrsalveti, we have a porter box in the datacenter and a PPA for testbuilds14:08
ograso you have access to some HW for the start at least14:08
rsalvetiand I'm based on brazil, but that's not that nice to say anymore, as we're out the world cup already :-)14:08
dyfetOkay :)14:09
rsalvetiogra: yeah, I saw that14:09
rsalvetinice, can do some builds there, if needed14:09
ograrsalveti, germany will substitute for brazil :)14:09
ograno worries :)14:09
NCommander(here' sorry, late)14:09
rsalvetiogra: haha, yeah :-)14:09
dyfetI do not think we had any other action items before standing items...and I see NCommander made it :)14:09
dyfetNCommander: if you want, we can cover any akedemy news during the ftbfs status?14:10
NCommanderthe internt here chose a great time to gave out. I'm on UMTS at the moment14:10
NCommanderdyfet: sure14:10
rsalvetibut that's most of it, glad I can meet everyone in prague soon :-)14:10
NCommanderbut don't wait for me, I might drop off again (yay flakely internet)14:10
dyfetThen maybe we should do so now...14:11
dyfet[topic] Akademy report from NCommander14:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Akademy report from NCommander14:11
NCommanderSo as some of uknow, I'm currently in Tampere, Finland, attending Akademy 201014:11
NCommanderI've been having discussions on how we can improve the state of KDE on ARM (with the big one being this afternoon), as well as seeing presentations from Nokia on MeeGo (and learning enough about it to be interested)14:12
NCommanderI've also see KDE's work on moving into the mobile stack and becoming a desktop environment suitable for both the traidtional desktpo, netbooks, and mobile devices.14:12
* NCommander kicks his keyboard for that earlier typo14:12
dyfetDo we have any news on upstream issues?14:13
NCommanderKDE FTBFS? Not really, expect for the fact they exist. Still on my TODO list, but will be dealt with in tonights ession14:14
dyfetNCommander: okay :)14:14
NCommanderRiddell ran a good session on what Kubuntu brings to KDE< and its current shortcomings and such14:14
ograNCommander, i think dyfet meant the QT upsteam issues14:14
ograthat were discussed last time between you and asac14:14
NCommanderogra: I'm scheldued to have dinner with a Nokia representive on this topic14:15
* ogra knows there was mail exchange initiated14:15
NCommanderThe conversation hasn't taken place yet14:15
NCommanderso "Watch This Spot" :-)14:15
dyfet[topic] Standing Items14:15
MootBotNew Topic:  Standing Items14:15
MootBotLINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html14:15
MootBotLINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-maverick-alpha-3.html14:15
dyfetI hope that was the right link...14:16
ograyeah, both are14:16
ograA3 looks very bad14:16
dyfetyea it does14:16
ogradyfet, note that for the edid thing, only omap3 is relevant14:16
ograomap4 does EDID detection in-kernel (more or less successful)14:17
dyfetand some are mine...14:17
ogranjpatel, do you know anything about the upanel status for armel 2D sessions ?14:17
dyfetlast week I was focused too much on ftbfs and related things...14:18
* ogra knows he shuld rather ping ted but he isnt around atm14:18
njpatelogra, nope, I thought you guys were working on it?14:18
njpatel(with ted's help)14:18
ogranjpatel, no ?14:18
ogranjpatel, ted was supposed to giv me some initial upstream code i can start from14:19
njpatelokay, I see14:19
* ogra will discuss that offline though 14:19
njpatelalso, I think I have a bug to fix too14:19
dyfetokay also14:19
ogranjpatel, for ?14:19
njpatelstructs to make it behave like a panel14:19
NCommanderA large part of my work items are quick, but hinge on cjwatson. I plan to knock out sunarch detection fully during Prague14:19
ogranjpatel, ah, i wish we had a panel yet :)14:19
ograbut lets talk about it when ted is around14:20
NCommanderwhat happened to my blueprint!14:20
ograNCommander, target set properly?14:20
njpatelk :)14:20
NCommanderogra: it should be.14:20
ograNCommander, Milestone Target: None14:20
dyfet[topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier)14:21
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier)14:21
NCommanderogra: ugh, can you fix that? LP is very slow over UMTS14:21
ograNCommander, and softbootloader is at ubuntu-10.1014:21
dyfetneither are here, are they? :)14:21
ograNCommander, do you think softbootloader makes sense at all since we're using u-boot across the board atm ?14:22
ogradyfet, you are to fast14:22
NCommanderogra: u-boot still is lacking many features we want, and doesn't properly separate first and second stage bootloading14:22
ograNCommander, i think davidm has to set the target milestone14:22
NCommander^- davidm14:22
ograNCommander, but u-boot is already very slow, adding the softbootloader will add additional latency, no ?14:23
NCommanderogra: I'm not super concerned that we need it, its more that it would be "it would be nice"14:23
NCommanderogra: not really. unlike u-boot, the linux kernels drivers are usually optimized, and softbootloader can replace u-boot on most platforms14:23
ograhow do you load linux ?14:23
ograyou still need u-boot first14:24
NCommanderogra: tiny ASM stub that sets up ATAGS and jumps to a kernel address in flash14:24
ograunless the spec changed a lot lately14:24
NCommanderCENSORED did this on several of their boards.14:24
NCommanderthis was discussed at UDS, and I put it in the wiki14:24
NCommanderI might not have updated the LP summary htough14:24
NCommanderogra: this is a project that probably should go over to Linaro, but it got pushed back to us/me14:25
ograi dont see any implementation plan for that though14:25
ograi agree that linaro should take it14:25
davidmI think softbootloader is a lower priority since we don't have to have it and there are other things we do need this cycle.14:25
dyfetthen we don't need to add an action item/task for it?14:25
ograthough i know they are working on a unified u-boot that might give us all we want14:26
NCommanderogra: we shall see.14:26
* ogra would drop it from the maverick targets14:26
ograi really expect that we'll still have lots of issues with omap4 for which we need all manpower we can put together14:27
rsalvetiyeah, probably14:27
* ogra sees lots of errors and also oopses booting the omap4 images on his panda14:27
davidmogra, I think I agree with you to drop it as a target14:28
NCommanderogra: that works for me, but we should still keep improved subarch detection14:28
ograwe should look over the other items too and drop what we can for A314:28
ograi.e. the medium item that shows up on the tracker atm14:29
dyfet[action] review a3 work items14:30
MootBotACTION received:  review a3 work items14:30
ograthough its 1 month we have until A314:30
ograand we have rsalveti now :)14:30
ograrsalveti, would you have interest in taking over rootstock ? that doesnt require any HW14:31
dyfetDo we want to jump to qa status?14:31
ogradyfet, could we go by topic ?14:31
rsalvetiogra: yeah, if it still target for a3, then yes I can take it14:31
ograrsalveti, well, mainly its merging all the patches and looking into the bugs that are currently on LP14:31
rsalvetiogra: sure :-)14:32
ograi didnt have any time to take care for rootstock at all in maverick yet14:32
rsalvetiI kind of used with rootstock code already, will see what I can do with it14:32
ograthere are also the items for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-image-builds-without-root but forst of all rootstock needs some bug love14:32
ograright, thats what i thought14:32
ograuntil you have HW thats probably a good task14:33
rsalvetinice, so I'll take it14:33
ograthanks !14:33
rsalvetinp :-)14:33
ograso kernel status ...14:33
ogralag, anything to report ?14:33
dyfetsince we called the topic early...:)14:34
* ogra just talked to tgardner, we'll get an omap4 upload soon with lots of TI fixes14:34
ogradyfet, lag should be in the kernel team reporter list on the agenda btw14:35
ograsince he is in a TZ thats most likely to be around when we have the meeting14:35
lagUnless you want to know what I am doing?14:35
dyfetorga: ok...14:35
ograwell, i know what you're doing :)14:35
lagogra: Its 2am here14:35
ogralag, huh ?14:35
ogradid the uk move recently ?14:35
ograashamed of the world cup you moved out of europe ?14:36
rsalvetihaha :-)14:36
ograhiding behind AUS :)14:36
lagOh yes, they're much better14:36
lagLuckily, I hate football :)14:37
dyfet[topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)14:37
MootBotNew Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)14:37
lagAnd expect us to lose14:37
GrueMasterNew board received.  Need to get more info on getting it working.  Nothing on serial port after loading kernel, even with console=ttyS0,115200 added to boot cmd.  Nothing on DVI monitor.14:37
GrueMasterWill work on offline.14:37
ograGrueMaster, no DVI support14:37
ograyou need to use HDMI14:37
ogra(i told you before :) )14:37
ograplain HDMI, no adapters allowed14:38
GrueMasterFiled lots of bugs late last week on omap3.14:38
ograGrueMaster, also the 20100706.1 images should be ok to boot now14:38
ograi fixed a bunch of issues today14:38
dyfetAnything else on qa?14:39
GrueMasternot really unless we want a rundown of each bug.14:39
ograGrueMaster, also https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-July/011491.html for the uncompressing kernel issue14:39
ograGrueMaster, it just hides that message14:39
dyfetno ;)14:39
ograGrueMaster, but boots fine14:40
ogradyfet, move :)14:40
dyfet[topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)14:40
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)14:40
NCommanderNothing to report14:40
ograthe list grew a bit14:40
dyfetWell, I did a lot of ftbfs, but avoiding the kde/qt blocked ones, so they were non-critical packages14:40
ogradirectfb, eucalyptus, not sure what jetty is ... subversion ...14:41
ograopenjdk is also there and breaking oo.o builds14:41
dyfetI also did not touch the openjdk one, which is what blocks eucalpytus and oo, yes...14:42
ograthats a critical one14:42
ograseems that ca-certificates calls keytool, which is a java app ... and which segfaults14:42
ograkeytool comes from the former java build14:42
ograso that needs tinkering with lamont14:43
ograsomeone has to provide a working keytool to him so it can be installed manually to fulfill the build dependency14:43
dyfetSeems time to learn java runtime ;)14:44
ogradyfet, can you take care for that, i know doko doesnt have the time to care for openjdk for us this time14:44
ogradyfet, also talk to hrw, he did testbuilds of it already (which intrestingly succeeded)14:44
dyfetogra: okay, and lets have that as an action item for next week14:44
ogramight be a skew between beagle and babbage14:44
dyfet[action] openjdk status (dyfet)14:45
MootBotACTION received:  openjdk status (dyfet)14:45
ograhrw built it on a beagle, so a test on babbage would be a good point to start14:45
dyfetGood, I will ask him to start with14:45
dyfetI think that covers ftbfs issues...14:46
ogrago ahead14:46
dyfet[topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)14:46
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)14:46
* ogra looks at NCommander ... 14:47
ogratell us14:47
ograindeed i'm kidding :)14:47
NCommanderOMAP3 preinstalled images exist, and work. OMAp4 images now exist14:47
ograwe have omap4 dailies since yesterday14:47
NCommanderand at least boot, although ogra was reporting issues with oem-config14:47
ograits not oem-config14:47
NCommanderogra: oh, it was X?14:47
ograthe panda just grinds to a halt at some point14:47
NCommanderogra: ow.14:48
ograit was X because we didnt set mem=463M on the initial cmdline14:48
ograwith that fixed it boots into oem-config14:48
NCommanderogra: blaze has done the same for me when I tried it earlier :-/14:48
ograwhich works or works not, based on the halts14:48
ograno oopses or anything in the logs sadly14:48
ogratim just uploaded a new omap4 kernel which i hope to fix such issues14:49
ograi suspect the MMC driver to be at fault here14:49
ograsince whats in ram seems to work, i have a fully installed pandaboard atm ... it works for a while but then doesnt move for stuff that has to come from MMC14:49
ograi havent tested omap3 images since A214:50
ograthats all for image status14:50
dyfet[topic] Any Other Business14:50
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GrueMasterI was going to add we still need md5sums & manifests for the daily images.14:51
NCommanderdyfet: please action item me on that14:51
NCommander(it might not get done however until Prague)14:51
dyfet[action] md5sums and manifests for daily images (NCommander)14:51
MootBotACTION received:  md5sums and manifests for daily images (NCommander)14:51
ograwe have bugs for that14:52
ograno need for an action14:52
ogranot for the manifest ... but for md5sums14:52
* ogra assignst it to NCommander 14:52
dyfethmm...he did ask...14:52
NCommanderogra: manifest needs livecd-rootfs changes to be generated with preinstalled images.14:52
NCommander(serious headache)14:53
ograi think we have then14:53
* ogra will check that14:53
dyfetokay...any other business...?14:53
NCommanderogra: we're also missing list if we want to be technical. Also on my list to reimplement14:53
ograNCommander, manifest is generated14:53
ograjust pull it from the livefs builder14:54
ograNCommander, and bug 600261 is yours now14:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 600261 in Ubuntu CD Images "Need to calculate md5sums for arm preinstalled images" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60026114:54
NCommander_\o/_ :-P14:55
ogragah, i cant targets that to a release or milestone14:55
ograNCommander, imagine its targeted to A3 :)14:55
NCommanderogra: I left my imagination in the United States14:55
ogramail address ?14:55
ograi'll send a letter :)14:56
ograanyway, seems thats it for AOB14:56
dyfetwe are close to time, last call for any other items...14:56
ograor not ?14:56
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cjwatsoncody-somerville,persia: around?16:01
cody-somervilleI'm around.16:01
cjwatsonstgraber sent his apologies by mail16:01
cjwatsonno sign of nixternal?16:01
cjwatsonok, well, we can run with 516:03
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cjwatson[TOPIC] Review of action items16:03
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cjwatsonpersia to publish the minutes for the DMB meeting 2010-05-2516:03
persiaNot done16:03
cjwatson[ACTION] persia to publish the minutes for the DMB meeting 2010-05-2516:03
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cjwatsoncjwatson to create ubuntu-kernel-uploaders team owned by the DMB that will provide upload permissions to Ubuntu kernel packages16:03
cjwatsoncjwatson to create a zope packageset incorporating the Zope, Zope Community, and Python Packaging sections, and a schooltool packageset for the SchoolTool section16:03
RhondaAh, just in time for startmeeting. :)  Sorry for being late, my X11 did trouble me - will have to file that bugreport finally. ;)16:03
cjwatsondone insofar as currently possible due to availability of packages in the archive; sent mail16:04
cjwatsonCody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first16:04
cody-somervilleNot done. Will do that today or tomorrow.16:04
cjwatson[ACTION] Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first16:05
MootBotACTION received:  Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first16:05
cjwatson[TOPIC] Administrative Matters16:05
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cjwatsonthere are a couple of things on the list, but in the spirit of Cody's action let's leave them 'til the end16:06
cjwatson[TOPIC] core-dev application: Robert Ancell16:06
MootBotNew Topic:  core-dev application: Robert Ancell16:06
cjwatsonRobert is in an inconvenient timezone for our meetings, but has been waiting a while; can we consider him anyway?16:06
cjwatsonin absentia16:07
cody-somervilleI don't object to it.16:08
cjwatsonI've certainly been seeing substantial volume of uploads from Robert which in my view is appropriate to the level we'd expect from core-dev applicants16:09
persiaI'm not sure I understand the rationale for the core-dev application, and I don't see a lot of cross-flavour work (not negative, but missing positive points)16:10
cody-somervilleI agree. I sometimes have found that Robert should have taken a bit more care with a few things (and I see this echoed in his endorsements on the wiki).16:10
cjwatsonmy impression is that it's for things like glib, gtk, and other such things16:11
persiaQuite likely, indeed.16:11
cjwatsonI agree that some of Robert's endorsements note the need for extra care; on the other hand those very endorsements also say that they trust him16:11
cody-somervilleI also didn't much care for some of his changes to gcalctool last cycle but oh well, lol.16:13
cjwatson[admin: I plan to allow this to run up to :20 if necessary]16:13
cjwatsoncody-somerville: I don't have the background; do you believe it's relevant to the application, and if so can you go into more detail?16:13
cody-somervilleThey were upstream changes (as he is the upstream maintainer) so probably not relevant as they were not packaging changes.16:15
cody-somervilleAs long as he doesn't try making random usability improvements to packages, I think we're good.16:15
cjwatsonmost of Robert's changes certainly are desktop in *character*, although as we know the ubuntu-desktop package set often misses a good deal of stuff that's sufficiently embedded in the dependency web to be considered core, right now16:16
cjwatsonfor example nautilus is core, though I should perhaps add that to the exception list16:16
cjwatsondoes anyone have further questions or comments before we move to a vote?16:17
persiaAs much as I don't want to make it annoying for applicants, if we're approving people for core because we're deferring detangling, that seems unfotunate: if someone is suitable as core-dev, they ought be suitable for core-dev specifically, separate from the packagesets.16:17
cjwatsonwell, there are two aspects: motivation and suitability16:18
cjwatsonRobert's motivation is likely to be influenced by lack of detangling, and I think that's reasonable16:18
cjwatsonbut we should certainly consider suitability in isolation16:19
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cjwatsonone minute left before my self-imposed deadline; I don't want to cut discussion short, but it's hard to tell whether people are busy typing or mulling it over. :)16:19
cody-somervilleI'm ready to vote.16:20
* soren too16:20
cjwatson[VOTE] Approve Robert Ancell for ubuntu-core-dev16:20
MootBotPlease vote on:  Approve Robert Ancell for ubuntu-core-dev.16:20
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persiaI'm not going to get more ready to vote in the next short while16:20
sorenpersia: :)16:20
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MootBotAbstention received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 016:21
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cjwatsongeser,persia: please vote16:23
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persia+1 :  the work is good, and the comments good, and Robert has shown sufficient commitment that I'm sure I'd approve him in the future, even if it takes a couple complaints first.16:23
MootBot+1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 416:23
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cjwatsoncongratulations to Robert; I'll implement that16:24
persiaBut in future, I think I don't like in-abstentia processing: in the MC, we used to have special ad-hoc meetings when the time was otherwise unsuitable, which was more satisfying.16:24
cjwatsonperhaps that would be more sensible.  nobody objected earlier :-)16:25
cjwatson[TOPIC] PPU application: Chase Douglas16:25
MootBotNew Topic:  PPU application: Chase Douglas16:25
cjwatsonlet me see if I can chase down Chase16:25
gesernobody replied to my mail how we process this application16:25
sorengeser: hm? When did you send it?16:26
geserafter the last DMB meeting16:26
cjwatsongeser: I'm sorry, I missed that16:26
cjwatson[this is re Robert's]16:26
persiaI'm happy to have tried in-abstentia: as I now know I dislike it that much more :)16:26
cjwatsonlet's move on, and we can come back to Chase later16:27
cjwatson(I've prodded him elsewhere)16:27
cjwatsonaha, timing16:27
cjwatsoncnd: hi16:27
gesersoren: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/developer-membership-board/2010-June/000252.html16:27
sorengeser: Yup, /just/ found it myself :)16:28
sorengeser: Sorry about that :(16:28
cjwatsonI'm going to move on until cnd gets his client fixed16:29
cjwatson[TOPIC] PPU application: Micah Gersten16:29
MootBotNew Topic:  PPU application: Micah Gersten16:29
cjwatson[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/micahg/MozillaUploaderApp16:29
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/micahg/MozillaUploaderApp16:29
cjwatsonsorry, this isn't really PPU, it's for the Mozilla package set16:30
cjwatsonmicahg: are you here?16:30
micahgcjwatson: yes16:30
cjwatsonhi, thanks for showing up again16:31
micahgcjwatson: np :)16:31
cjwatson[admin: planning to call time on this topic at :40 if not done before then]16:32
cody-somervillemicahg, You run Xubuntu?16:32
micahgcody-somerville: yes16:32
persiamicahg: So, you say you'd like better tools for selecting PPAs: is this something you think would be useful generally, or only in combination with PPAs as used by the mozillateam?  Similarly, are there other means by which it may make sense to accomplish those goals?16:32
cody-somervillemicahg, Why don't you help the Xubuntu developer team out with packaging? they're always looking for help! :)16:32
micahgpersia: well, definitely for the Mozilla team, but I think in general as well, I brought it up at UDS, but I don't think we had sufficient time to explore it16:33
micahgcody-somerville: I already have a lot of packaging work for the Mozilla team, if I had more time I'd be happy to help16:33
micahgcody-somerville: I did 1 SRU that I remember for xubuntu16:34
cody-somervilleOkay, I'm ready to vote.16:34
* soren too16:35
* persia has no more questions16:36
cjwatson[VOTE] Approve Micah Gersten for Mozilla package set16:36
MootBotPlease vote on:  Approve Micah Gersten for Mozilla package set.16:36
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cjwatson+1 - excellent endorsements16:36
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MootBotFinal result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 516:37
cjwatsonmicahg: congratulations16:37
micahgthanks everyone :)16:37
chrisccoulsoncongrats micahg \o/16:37
sorenmicahg: Thank *you*.16:37
cjwatsoncnd2: have you got your connection sorted yet? :)16:37
micahgIs it ok if I drop out before the meeting ends?16:38
cnd_sorry all16:38
cnd_on the road16:38
cnd_iphone client16:38
persiamicahg: Thanks for going through the effort of making a formal application after creating the category of developer you wished to be :)16:38
cjwatsoncnd_: is now a suitable time, or would you prefer to defer to the next meeting?16:38
cjwatson(tsk, non-free IRC clients ... ;-) )16:39
cnd_i think now is ok16:39
cnd_if i drop, just move on16:39
cjwatson[TOPIC] PPU application: Chase Douglas16:39
MootBotNew Topic:  PPU application: Chase Douglas16:39
cnd_colloquy is open source btw16:39
cjwatsonplatform then ;-)16:39
cjwatson[admin: run to :48]16:40
cjwatsoncnd_: is there any useful upstream (be that upstream-upstream, or Debian) collaboration happening on the firmware packages?  can there be?16:40
cnd_ btw, since i made the application ive also uploaded a new package called trace-cmd16:41
cnd_its tricky due to licencing16:41
cnd_its tricky due to licensing16:41
cjwatsonindeed, though I know that there exist firmware packages in Debian too16:42
* cody-somerville has to go AFK for a bit.16:42
cnd_dave woodhouse is trying to consolidate16:42
cnd_but we havent been able to open a dialogue with him yet16:42
cnd_weve been trying, maybe hes busy?16:43
cnd_tim gardner has been leading that effort16:43
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cjwatsonany other questions?16:44
* persia needs 2-3 minutes, but is unlikely to have a question16:45
* soren has just been summoned, so needs to run very, very soon.16:45
cnd_so wrt trace-cmd, is it possible to get upload rights for it as well16:45
cjwatsonI'm happy to amend the application for that16:46
cnd_its to be maintained by kernel team, but Ill probably be doing most of the work16:46
cjwatsonlet's move to a vote and we can fall back if people are uncomfortable with trace-cmd16:46
cjwatson[VOTE] Approve Chase Douglas for upload rights for linux-firmware, linux-firmware-nonfree, and trace-cmd16:47
MootBotPlease vote on:  Approve Chase Douglas for upload rights for linux-firmware, linux-firmware-nonfree, and trace-cmd.16:47
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persia+1 : technical is fine, and there is enough evidence of coordination and interaction to avoid objection on lack of Membership grounds.16:48
MootBot+1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 416:48
cjwatsoncody-somerville: still here?16:49
sorensorry, guys I have to leave.16:49
cjwatsonsoren: thanks16:49
* cjwatson times out on Cody, given that we got quorum16:50
MootBotFinal result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 416:50
cjwatsoncnd_: congratulations16:50
cnd_thanks! and thanks for putting up with my client issues :)16:50
persiaBut if cody-somerville doesn't reappear, we don't have quorum for more, without soren :(16:50
cjwatsoncyphermox: here?16:51
cyphermoxafaik, I'm next, and I don't object to deferring this until next meeting if necessary.. per16:51
cyphermox*perhaps discussing the first item now?16:52
cjwatsonwe might as well proceed16:52
cjwatson[TOPIC] PPU application: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre16:52
MootBotNew Topic:  PPU application: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre16:52
gesercyphermox: I see that asac didn't manage to add endorsements to your application. Do you know why?16:53
cyphermoxhe was planning on attending16:53
cjwatsoncyphermox: "using Ubuntu for about 7 years" - that's a good trick!16:53
cyphermoxdid I write that wrong?16:53
cjwatsonUbuntu wasn't public 7 years ago ;-)16:53
cjwatsonor even existing16:54
cyphermoxI fail :)16:54
persiaEither that, or you managed to install it before it worked at all16:54
cjwatsonit was just about sort of starting to be available to limited audiences 6 years ago ;-)16:54
cyphermoxnah, my calculation was based on my employment in different places and when I started, from memory, so I am just mistaken :)16:54
cyphermoxanyway, with asac not there, there is not much to say. he *had* added an endorsement to my MOTU app, some time ago16:55
cjwatsoncan we defer to next time and make sure at least asac has weighed in, then?  I'd like to have comments from somebody you've worked with directly16:55
persiaDidn't we tell you to apply for the NM stack back then during processing that app?16:55
cyphermoxpersia: indeed16:56
cyphermoxcjwatson: I don't object to it.16:56
cjwatsonpersia: is that "we should carry over asac's comments from the MOTU app"?16:56
* persia suspects asac's comments at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mtrudel/DeveloperApplication only apply more, but is happy to defer since we can't make a decision now anyway16:56
persiacjwatson: I'm happy to do so, since they were about NM anyway, but that's a matter of individual concience, I think.16:57
cjwatson[TOPIC] MOTU application: Gerfried Fuchs16:57
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU application: Gerfried Fuchs16:57
* Rhonda is around.16:57
cjwatsonRhonda: hi; I don't know if we can finish processing your application today unless Cody returns, as noted above, although we can potentially do some of it and finish off by e-mail16:58
RhondaYes, followed so far.16:58
persiaRhonda: You say you're still learning the procedures.  What parts are most confusing to you still?16:59
RhondaI haven't used PPA yet, but from what I understand that's not a requirement yet. Also, even though I wrote an article about bzr for our company's magazine I haven't used it yet to work on merges. I usually tried to get the Ubuntu diff into the Debian packages so they can sync cleanly. :)17:02
cjwatsonit's not a requirement17:02
persiamaking the merge irrelevant makes it easier all about, so I'm not sure that it makes sense to process merges the other way if you're happy to upload to Debian instead :)17:03
RhondaOne thing that confused me in launchpad once was the state triaged. I found it on a bug for well over a year without any progress and thought it was dangling somehow. I initially had the impression that it could be seen similarly to pending in the Debian BTS.17:03
cjwatson[re Rhonda's packages.ubuntu.com comment, I filed this in internal RT to try to get movement on it]17:03
persiaThere's an outstanding rt.ubuntu.com entry: dunno if it makes sense to reference them both (unless I'm mixing this up with another packages.ubuntu.com outstanding issue)17:04
cjwatsonI looked for the public RT entry and didn't see it17:05
cjwatsonanyway, not really directly relevant17:05
cjwatsonit would definitely be good to have somebody actually in the Ubuntu community maintaining that site17:05
RhondaI've sent cjwatson the diff that (hopefully) should be able to get applied to the config.sh file - in git there is only the config.sh.sed.in file which generates the former.17:05
RhondaI'm not that big fan of bottlenecks. ;)17:06
cjwatsonwell, indeed ...17:06
cjwatsonany further questions (from the few who remain)?17:06
* persia has none17:07
RhondaI'd like to point out that I'm not a Ubuntu Member yet - I was told that this would/could be processed at the same time?17:08
geserRhonda: motu gives membership17:08
cjwatsonright, you need to meet the membership requirements in order to join motu17:08
RhondaRight, thought so. Not sure if that would make a difference for the procedures or has to get noted seperately.17:08
cjwatson(for that reason)17:08
nils2hej folks! did i get it right, that 20.00 UTC is 22.00 Berlin time?17:09
cjwatsonnils2: yes, but we have another meeting in progress right now17:09
Rhondanils2: At this time of the year, yes. :)17:09
cjwatson[VOTE] Approve Gerfried Fuchs for MOTU17:09
MootBotPlease vote on:  Approve Gerfried Fuchs for MOTU.17:09
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nils2ah sorry!17:09
nils2thank you very much!17:09
persiaRhonda: For non-members, we consider the application for membership at the same time.17:10
MootBot+1 received from geser. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 117:10
persia+1 : Excellent technical history, wide application interest, successful social integration with MOTU team (IRC, etc.), history of QA work.17:11
MootBot+1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 217:11
cjwatson+1 - long and good history in Debian that I'm familiar with, along with all the rest17:12
MootBot+1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 317:12
cjwatsonI think we have to go to e-mail for the rest17:12
MootBotFinal result is 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 317:12
cjwatsonI'll bring this up on our list as part of writing the minutes, and we'll let you know the result17:12
RhondaThanks, appreciated.17:13
cjwatsonRhonda: thanks for spending time here17:13
cjwatson[TOPIC] AOB17:13
MootBotNew Topic:  AOB17:13
* persia has now (exceedingly belatedly) sent the minutes for the meeting six weeks ago17:13
geserdholbach | geser: are (any of) you guys going to mail av and emgent about their expired membership?17:13
geserany volunteers for this?17:13
cjwatsonI can do it17:14
cjwatsonok, no other business; please follow up to the meeting times thread on the board list if you haven't already done so17:16
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:16.17:16
quentusrexKernel meeting soon?17:17
persiaquentusrex: 42 minutes or so.17:17
Rhondasoren, cody-somerville: If you have any questions feel free to query me. :)17:25
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* smb slugs in18:00
* manjo zooms in18:01
* apw slurps tea18:01
* JFo gives apw some lemon18:01
apwLEMON!  are you mad?18:01
JFodepends on the tea18:01
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apwnot in the UK it doesn't :)18:02
* lag runs in and trips on the step - "Doh!"18:02
smbJust a drop of milk in his hot water18:02
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:02
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick18:02
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bjf# NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.18:02
bjf[TOPIC] Open action: manjo to send a firewire patch with test info18:02
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manjobjf, that was already done last week18:02
JFoso there is a test kernel out?18:03
manjobjf ..18:03
* JFo readies his CFT18:03
manjothe changed are out yes package uploaded18:03
JFocool ..18:03
bjf[TOPIC] Open action: JFo to put out a CFT on new firewire stack18:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Open action: JFo to put out a CFT on new firewire stack18:03
manjotgardner uploaeded the latest package of module-init-tools which contains the sw18:03
manjoitch. pgraner and I have tested the new stack, and I have also tested this in Lucid and found to perform better than the old stack. pgraner did tests with dvgrab, kino, and files transfer across HDDs, and all checked out ok. Thanks to pgran18:03
manjoer for all the testing. Jfo will issue a call for testing soon. Since this item is all done we can have this item removed from the meeting agenda.18:03
apwJFo, put that on the Kernel/Testing page too18:04
JFowill send out today18:04
JFowill do apw18:04
bjf[TOPIC] ARM Status (lag)18:04
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Status (lag)18:04
lag - Marvel (mvl-dove)18:04
lag   - Nothing new this week18:04
lag - Freescale (fsl-imx51)18:04
lag    - Nothing new this week18:04
lag - Texas Instruments (ti-omap)18:04
lag   * CONFIG   : Activate block IO actions, tracing required by system-tap18:04
lag   * CONFIG   : Increase default VRAM allocation size to 32MB18:04
lag   * PATCH    : Bug fixing for segfault18:04
lag   * PATCH    : Video display fix on Beagleboard18:04
lag   * ON GOING : Submitted patches for building Syslink as a module need to be modified18:04
lag   * ON GOING : Auto-load Syslink modules on OMAP4 architectures is nearly complete18:04
lag   * ON GOING : Still trying to figure out why disabling camera power domain on OMAP318:04
lag                prevents daisy chain read in Ubuntu system18:05
lag   * ON GOING : May fixed DSS2 oops. QA has an image they need to look at. mpoirier has18:05
lag                been testing a lot in his environment without re-occurrence18:05
lag   * ON GOING : rtg will be looking at IGEPv2 board - mpoirier shipped the board yesterday18:05
bjf[TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)18:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)18:05
=== casey_ is now known as casey
JFoRelease Meeting Bugs (1 bugs, 9 Blueprints)18:06
JFo==== Alpha 3 Milestoned Bugs (51 across all packages (up 34)) ====18:06
JFo * 4 linux kernel bugs (up 2)18:06
JFo * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (down 2)18:06
JFo * 1 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)18:06
JFo==== Release Targeted Bugs (107 across all packages (up 21)) ====18:06
JFo * 7 linux kernel bugs (no change)18:06
JFo * 2 linux-ti-omap bugs (down 2)18:06
JFo * 1 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)18:06
JFo=== Milestoned Features ====18:06
JFo * 14 blueprints18:06
JFo*** NOTE: This listing includes HWE Blueprints***18:06
JFo==== Bugs with Patches Attached:115 (up 5) ====18:06
JFo * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on18:06
JFo * Breakdown by status:18:06
JFo   http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/18:06
JFoI will add mvl and freescale back for next week's metrics18:06
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)18:07
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-apparmor18:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)18:07
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-apparmor18:07
jjohansenFixed Bug #581525 both kernel and user space and am about to push out test kernels for reporters to verify18:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 581525 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "Lucid: system becomes unstable randomly, seems related with apparmor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58152518:07
jjohansenHave a patch for Bug #599450 that needs to be tested18:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 599450 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "[apparmor] getattr handled incorrectly in 2.6.35-6.7" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59945018:07
jjohansenBug #602261 has been reported as a potential AA issue, looking into it.  We have some compiler patches that reduce memory usage that will get synced with alpha318:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 602261 in linux (Ubuntu) "Thrashing and OOM during upgrade from 10.04 to Maverick" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60226118:08
jjohansenlooking into duplicating and the bug and seeing if it is AA18:08
apwjjohansen, note that that bug occurs when running lucid (pre-update kernel)18:08
jjohansenapw: yes18:08
jjohansenthough it is likely userspace component18:09
jjohansenthe compiler consumes 80-100MB18:09
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-firewire-stack (manjo)18:10
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-firewire-stack18:10
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-firewire-stack (manjo)18:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-firewire-stack18:10
manjotgardner uploaeded the latest package of module-init-tools which contains the sw18:10
manjoitch. pgraner and I have tested the new stack, and I have also tested this in Lucid and found to perform better than the old stack. pgraner did tests with dvgrab, kino, and files transfer across HDDs, and all checked out ok. Thanks to pgran18:10
manjoer for all the testing. Jfo will issue a call for testing soon. Since this item is all done we can have this item removed from the meeting agenda.18:10
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw)18:11
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc18:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw)18:11
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc18:11
apwSome work on cleaning up lintian errors is ongoing.  Nothing else to report.18:11
manjoI have pinged luke regarding upgrades, looks like audio packages are current18:11
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)18:11
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts18:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)18:11
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts18:11
bjfBlueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)18:13
tgardnerbjf, no change from last week18:13
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)18:13
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel18:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)18:13
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel18:13
jjohansenHave update Xen patchset, that I will start testing today.18:13
jjohansenAmazon have opened their pv-grub based loader for general use so I will be revisiting the pv-ops based kernel.18:13
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review (ogasawara)18:14
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review18:14
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review (ogasawara)18:14
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review18:14
bjfSince we won't be using union-mounts in Maverick, we're planning an aufs update for Alpha3.18:14
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-union-mounts (apw)18:14
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-union-mounts18:14
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-union-mounts (apw)18:14
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-union-mounts18:14
apwBased on the lack of feedback we will assume staying with aufs2 for Maverick.  Preparations to update aufs2 are in progress.18:15
bjfapw, do we want to keep this on the agenda?18:15
apwbjf probabally can come off as of now, thanks18:15
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-config-review (ogasawara)18:16
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-config-review18:16
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-config-review (ogasawara)18:16
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-config-review18:16
bjfWe have 2 misc bugs to close for Alpha3.  Both are already assigned to a kernel dev and In Progress.18:16
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)18:16
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling18:16
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)18:16
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling18:16
JFonothing to report18:16
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)18:17
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart18:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)18:17
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart18:17
apwThe ureadahead patches remain untested.  Will bring this up with foundations.18:17
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)18:17
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation18:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)18:17
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation18:17
bjfChanges to Firmware Test Suite this week:18:18
bjf * Additional Tests:18:18
bjf   * thermal_trip: Check Thermal Zone trip mechanism.18:18
bjf   * cpufreq:      Check P-states across all CPUs.18:18
bjf   * bios_info:    Gather BIOS version information.18:18
bjf   * microcode:    Check if latest microcode is loaded.18:18
bjf   * maxfreq:      Check CPU max freq against BIOS setting.18:18
bjf * Other changes:18:18
bjf   * hibernate:    Fix S4 detection bug, check for hibernation phases.18:18
bjf   * lid:          Detect GPE activity on lid events.18:18
bjf   * WMI:          Only dump driver writing advice text out once.18:18
bjf   * ACPI tables:  Extract ACPI tables without the need for acpidump.18:18
bjf * * Misc:18:18
bjf   * Wrote Python version of acpidump for inclusion into apport18:18
bjf   * Maverick PPA builds for new code.18:18
apwprogressing rapidly, nice ..18:18
bjf[TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara)18:19
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: Maverick (ogasawara)18:19
bjflinux-2.6.35-6.9 was uploaded immediately upon Alpha2's release.  I expect the upstream 2.6.35-rc4 kernel to land relatively soon.  We'll of course rebase our Maverick kernel at that time.18:19
bjfAlpha 3 is Thurs Aug 5th which is about a month away.  We are towering over the Alpha 3 burn down chart's trend line, so please review the list of work items for Alpha 3 and start closing out tasks:18:19
bjfLINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-maverick-alpha-3.html18:19
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone maverick-alpha-318:19
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone maverick-alpha-318:19
apwnot sure we are over the line for alpha3 currently ?18:19
bjf[TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)18:20
MootBotNew Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)18:20
smbDapper:      2.6.15-55.84  (security)18:20
smbHardy:       2.6.24-28.70  (security)18:20
smb             2.6.24-28.71  (proposed)[18]  0 / 1 verifications done18:20
smbJaunty:      2.6.28-19.61  (security)18:20
smbKarmic:      2.6.31-22.60  (security)18:20
smb             2.6.31-22.61  (waiting for approval)18:20
smb - mvl-dove  2.6.31-214.28 (security)18:20
smb             2.6.31-214.29 (waiting for approval)18:20
smb - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-112.28 (security)18:20
smb             2.6.31-112.29 (waiting for approval)18:20
smb - ec2       2.6.31-307.15 (security)18:20
smb             2.6.31-307.16 (waiting for approval)18:20
smbLucid:       2.6.32-23.37  (updates)18:21
smb             2.6.32-24.38  (proposed)[ 1]  0/ 4 verifications done18:21
smb - LBM       2.6.32-24.38  (proposed)[ 0]  0/ 1 verifications done18:21
smb - mvl-dove  2.6.32-206.19 (updates)18:21
smb - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-608.15 (updates)18:21
smb - ti-omap   2.6.33-502.8  (updates)18:21
smb - qcm-msm   2.6.31-802.5  (updates)18:21
smb - ec2       2.6.32-307.12 (updates)18:21
smb 18:21
smbLucid has been reuploaded with a proposed kernel that addresses a lot of18:21
smbext4 issues. If all goes to plan this gets moved to updates soon enough18:21
smbto have a security update before Jul-28 which is the first point release.18:21
smb 18:21
smbKarmic is still not accepted because of the abstracted.debian backport.18:21
smbAs there is a security update pending we need to eihter get someone18:21
smbtake the risk and accept it into proposed, or we need to revert everything18:21
smband get the minimal changes uploaded. Though the security update would18:21
smbbe based on the version currently in updates, I think it would require18:21
smba very careful merging back and together with the branches needing special18:21
smbcare cause the whole validation of the builds being void.18:21
smbtgardner, pgraner Would you think that Steve would take that risk if you asked him?18:21
* apw seconds the laast paragraph.18:22
tgardnerespecially after we show that the binary packages are identical18:22
smbtgardner, Would you take the action of talking to him, then?18:23
tgardnersmb, sure18:23
smbok thanks18:23
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)18:24
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)18:24
JFoIncoming Bugs18:24
JFo50 Maverick Bugs (up 22)18:24
JFo1028 Lucid Bugs (up 48)18:24
JFoCurrent regression stats (broken down by release):18:24
JFo==== regression-potential ====18:24
JFo  * 27 maverick bugs (up 15)18:24
smbbjf, correction, the version of lbm in lucid proposed is 2.6.32-24.1718:24
JFo  * 224 lucid bugs (up 1: to be converted to regression-release)18:24
JFo==== regression-update ====18:24
JFo  * 40 lucid bugs (up 6)18:24
JFo  * 6 karmic bugs (no change)18:24
JFo  * 4 jaunty bugs (no change)18:24
JFo  * 1 hardy bug (no change)18:24
JFo==== regression-release ====18:24
JFo  * 151 lucid bugs (up 9)18:24
JFo  * 45 karmic bugs (down 1)18:24
JFo  * 19 jaunty bugs (no change)18:24
JFo  * 2 hardy bugs (no change)18:24
JFo==== regression-proposed ====18:24
JFo  * 2 lucid bugs (up 1)18:24
JFo  * 1 karmic bug (no change)18:24
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)18:25
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)18:25
JFoCommunity Bug days will resume next Tuesday. The focus will be on Fix Committed bugs. We will be looking to ensure that Fixes that were committed were in fact released so we can set their status appropriately. I'll be sending out an e-mail announcing this tomorrow.18:25
JFoWe'll again be having the Team Bug Day over Friday and Monday as half days18:25
bjf[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?18:25
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?18:25
bjfapw, go18:25
apwi am wondering if we should re-purpose the wiki 5th button from advanced to FAQ18:26
apwthe advanced topics page is empty(!) and the faq is starting to contain useful things18:26
JFoI think FAQ18:26
bjfapw, that sounds good18:26
JFoI have a ton of things that need to go to an FAQ18:26
* apw takes that as a yes ...18:26
bjfkamal, go18:27
kamalbug 59483718:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 594837 in linux (Ubuntu) "Lucid SRU: Intel Core i3/i5/i7 hang on resume from suspend (SCI_EN)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59483718:27
kamalJust FYI - gregkh says this may get applied to stable sometime this week, so we can continue to wait on that I think.18:27
* smb agrees18:27
apwis that the SCI_EN one ?18:27
apwack ..18:27
bjfanyone else have anything?18:27
bjfthanks everyone18:28
MootBotMeeting finished at 12:28.18:28
JFothanks bjf18:28
kamalthanks bjf18:28
apwthanks bjf18:28
smbthanks bjf18:28
jiboumanswill be starting shortly, wrapping up a call18:58
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* MichealH waits19:01
MichealHHey smoser19:01
MichealHFirst Kernel team meeting here... Want to get involved :D19:02
ogra_cmpcMichealH, i think kernel was 1h ago19:03
MichealHogra_cmpc: Ooooops19:03
* MichealH hides19:03
jiboumansgood morning19:04
MichealHOh well I was orriginally here for the EMEA membership thing :)19:04
ogra_cmpcthats in 1h19:04
MootBotMeeting started at 13:04. The chair is SpamapS.19:04
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]19:04
jiboumansthanks all for joining19:04
jiboumansi'm today's chair and scribe19:04
* SpamapS is the chair proxy19:05
jiboumansI'll have to possibly leave a bit early, at which point SpamapS will continue (thanks for that)19:05
SpamapSjiboumans: agenda url so I can keep up w/ your topics?19:05
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SpamapS#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting19:05
jiboumansjjohansen to send email regarding atop patchset19:05
SpamapS[TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting19:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting19:05
jiboumansthat was done19:05
jiboumansmathiaz to provide work items for Alpha3 on his specs by Thursday19:06
jiboumanswhile mathiaz answers19:06
jiboumansSpamapS to ask kees whether it's good to seed19:06
SpamapSKees says ok to seed libmemcached and memcached into main19:06
mathiazthat was done19:06
jiboumansnice, good to have it19:07
jiboumansjjohansen to appropriately prioritze bug 57606619:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 576066 in linux (Ubuntu) "ums_cypress missing from lucid server cd" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57606619:07
jjohansenthe kernel team needs some clarification on the bug19:07
jiboumansjjohansen: anything we can do in the meeting here?19:07
jjohansenwe were looking for what releases and cd's needed the update19:08
jiboumansok, let's talk about it right after the other action point19:08
jjohansenLucid server install, alternate, maverick19:08
jjohansenfrom a quick look this seems to be present in maverick19:08
jjohansenbut I don't have the hardware to test19:08
jjohansenso we were going to request that as well19:08
* zkriesse walk into the maverick meeting?19:08
jiboumanszkriesse: ubuntu server team meeting19:09
jiboumansjjohansen: does our QA team have it per chance?19:09
MichealHogra_cmpc: Its in 2 hours acctually19:09
zkriesseoh cool19:09
jiboumanshggdh: ^19:09
MichealHjiboumans: Its not on the calendar?!?19:09
jjohansenjiboumans, hggdh: I haven't checked yet19:09
jiboumansjjohansen: let's move this over to next week then19:10
jiboumansgives you some time to consult and check with hggdh if they have the hardware19:10
jjohansenokay, thanks19:10
jiboumanssommer to ping mdke re: refresh issue, through email this time19:10
SpamapS[ACTION] hrough email this time19:11
MootBotACTION received:  hrough email this time19:11
SpamapS11:14 ... join!#ubuntu-meeting -> ikoni19:11
sommerhaven't heard back on that... will ping again19:11
jiboumansok, carry over19:11
SpamapS[ACTION] sommer to ping mdke re: refresh issue, through email this time19:11
MootBotACTION received:  sommer to ping mdke re: refresh issue, through email this time19:11
jiboumanssommer: if we can help somehow, please ask19:11
jiboumanseveryone to assign themselves to 2 papercuts from https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/maverick-alpha-319:11
zkriesseIf you guys are trying to get ahold of mdke it'll take some time19:11
jiboumansonly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125609 left19:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 125609 in irqbalance (Ubuntu) "X is required to build irqbalance" [Low,Triaged]19:12
jiboumanszkriesse: why's that?19:12
zulill take it19:12
jiboumanszul++ thanks19:12
zkriessejiboumans: Last few times i've tried contacting him through email/irc he's not responded19:12
SpamapS[TOPIC] Maverick development19:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Maverick development19:13
jiboumansI've sent out a request to update blueprints19:14
jiboumansnot everyone has done so yet unfortunately19:14
mathiazI've worked on creating a status template19:14
kirklandjiboumans: do you have specific BP's in mind?19:14
jiboumans[ACTION] kirkland, daviey, hallyn, zul, ttx, spamaps to update their blueprints by Wednesday EOB19:14
hallynjiboumans: maybe there's more to 'updating' them than i thought?  is there a url telling us what needs to be doen?19:14
jiboumanskirkland: i sent a mail on that last week adn again today19:14
kirklandjiboumans: i touched all of my BP's ... which BP need love, and what love do they need?19:15
jiboumanshallyn: [SERVER] [ACTION REQUIRED] Alpha3 blueprint updates19:15
MootBotLINK received:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/459941/19:15
SpamapSjiboumans: is it just status that needs to be updated at this time? I think a lot of the 1st work items will spawn the rest of the work items that get burned down through the cycle.19:15
Davieyjiboumans, I had some uncertainly about who owns the blueprint.. is it the drafter?19:15
Davieyor the assignee?19:15
jiboumansAll: this is outlined in the email I sent. If it's unclear, please respond with questions.19:15
jiboumansPlease see the above email and I'm happy to pick this up with you 1:1 if there's any unclarity after the meeting today19:16
hallynmathiaz: thx19:16
Davieyjiboumans, In either case, i looked at my blueprints and they seemed current.19:16
jiboumansDaviey: there's also an action to send out an email19:16
jiboumansmoving on19:16
jiboumanswe'll take a look at the actual progress on alpha3 next week when all specs are completely specified19:17
jiboumansas hggdh is running a bit late today, we'll move on to the kernel team next:19:17
jiboumans[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)19:17
SpamapS[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)19:18
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)19:18
jiboumansjjohansen: first, Bug 597387: Maverick EC2 kernel issue19:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 597387 in Ubuntu Maverick "pv-ops kernel only works in 3 or 4 zones in EC2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59738719:18
mathiazjjohansen: you guyz rock - my TP x201 is working now!19:18
jjohansenI have update the Xen kernel patch and will be doing some testing today, so we should have a new kernel soon19:18
jjohansenthe pv-ops kernel is further behind19:19
zulyay...keep it away19:19
jjohansenI plan to start testing that option again once we have the Xen kernel up19:19
SpamapS[ACTION] kirkland, daviey, hallyn, zul, ttx, spamaps to update their blueprints by Wednesday EOB19:19
MootBotACTION received:  kirkland, daviey, hallyn, zul, ttx, spamaps to update their blueprints by Wednesday EOB19:19
jjohansenany other Qs?19:20
mathiazjjohansen: great work on bug 55456919:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 554569 in linux (Ubuntu) "[lucid] Blank screen with KMS on Thinkpad X201 with Arrandale (i915)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55456919:20
mathiazjjohansen: (but it's not server related :) )19:20
mathiazjjohansen: would this rolled out to lucid as an SRU?19:21
jjohansenubottu: have you tried the latest kernels, there have been some updates to maverick that fix that for many people19:21
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:21
jjohansenhey :)19:21
jiboumansubottu++ ;)19:21
mathiazjjohansen: ok - I'm still running lucid19:22
mathiazjjohansen: anyway - that's outside of this meeting19:22
mathiazI've got nothing else for the kernel team19:22
jiboumansjjohansen: Bug 576066: ums-cypress.ko missing from server installer19:22
jjohansenmathiaz: okay, yeah lucid is problematic as its a rather large patchset19:22
SpamapSso were we revisiting the cypress bug in this section?19:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 576066 in linux (Ubuntu) "ums_cypress missing from lucid server cd" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57606619:22
netshinethe meeting is more two hours, right?19:22
jjohansenjiboumans: right, discussed earlier19:22
MichealHnetshine: in 1:30 hours: EMEA meeting19:23
hallynjjohansen: and the apparmor permission denied bug?19:23
netshineexactly, thanks19:23
jiboumansjjohansen: oh, i must have missed that in scrollback19:23
netshineMichealH: :)19:23
jjohansenits just a matter of clearing up some questions, a Lucid update is a few weeks a way19:23
MichealHnetshine: Or visit http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar19:23
jjohansenhallyn: which permission denied bug?19:23
hallynbug 59945019:23
jiboumansjjohansen: last one then ;) atop kernel patch19:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 599450 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "[apparmor] getattr handled incorrectly in 2.6.35-6.7" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59945019:23
jiboumansI saw your email going out; did you get any useful feedback?19:23
SpamapS[ACTION] (carryover) jjohansen to appropriately prioritze bug 57606619:24
MootBotACTION received:  (carryover) jjohansen to appropriately prioritze bug 57606619:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 576066 in linux (Ubuntu) "ums_cypress missing from lucid server cd" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57606619:24
hallynjjohansen: just wondering if you know the cause already (or if it's worth my digging into)19:24
jjohansenjiboumans: atop, just needs discussion.  As it currently stands the kernel team is relucant to carry it, and is looking for use cases/ why atop is so much better than other solutions19:25
jiboumansjjohansen: understood. I'd hate for a patch to be unmaintained upstream of course19:25
jjohansenhallyn: yep, I know the cause, and need to discuss it on apparmor dev19:25
hallynok thanks19:26
jjohansenjiboumans: I received a reply from the author on the weekend and he might try pushing it upstream again in the fall19:26
jjohansenhe is busy this summer it seems19:26
jjohansenI am composing a reply19:26
jiboumansjjohansen: thanks for chasing it either way19:26
jiboumanslet's revisit again next week19:26
jiboumansjjohansen++ thanks19:27
jiboumans[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)19:27
SpamapS[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)19:27
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)19:27
sommernadda new from me19:27
SpamapS[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)19:27
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)19:27
jiboumansthat's an easy topic then :)19:28
SpamapSsommer: I had a user confused by the CUPS section of the server guide this morning in #ubuntu-server19:28
jiboumansany questions for mr sommer?19:28
SpamapSsommer: should I send him to a particular page to report that as a "bug" ?19:28
sommerSpamapS: if he files it against ubuntu-docs that should be fine19:28
* ttx just arrived19:29
MichealHttx: o/19:29
SpamapSsommer: ubuntu-docs, got it. Thx.19:29
sommerwelcome :-)19:29
* SpamapS feels a disturbance in the force suddenly19:29
jiboumans[TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: new process (zul)19:30
zulso I sent out the email on monday I havent gotten any nominations so far this week19:30
SpamapS[TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: new process (zul)19:30
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly SRU review: new process (zul)19:30
jiboumanszul: as in yesterday?19:30
zulpeople have until friday to nominate but looking at the bugs there wasnt any good ones to nominate19:30
zuljiboumans: yes as in yesterday19:31
zuland ill be doing some SRU gardening on friday as well to go through really old SRU requests to see if they are still relevant19:31
mathiazzul: is there a link where the SRU tracker page is updated on a regular basis?19:31
jiboumanszul: so a reminder in the notes is probably the best we can do right now?19:32
jiboumansmathiaz: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html i believe19:32
zulmathiaz: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html19:32
zuljiboumans: probably19:32
jiboumanszul: ok, i'll make a point to highlight it in the notes19:32
jiboumanshggdh: are you around?19:32
jiboumansidle time suggests not19:33
mathiazzul: how often is the page refreshed?19:33
zulmathiaz: every night19:33
jiboumanswe'll make sure to document any questions though so hggdh can address them later19:33
jiboumans[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)19:33
jiboumansany questsion for hggdh ?19:33
SpamapS[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)19:33
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)19:33
jiboumansgoing once...19:34
jiboumansgoing twice..19:34
jiboumansalright then, moving on:19:34
jiboumans[TOPIC] Open Discussion19:34
SpamapS[TOPIC] Open Discussion19:34
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion19:34
mathiazhow is everyone doing?19:35
SpamapSstupdendous over here19:35
DavieyTired here :)19:35
jiboumansRegarding the alpha3 blueprints; please take a look at the mail. I'll schedule an open call tomorrow morning PST for any questions. Email also works if there's anything unclear. Thanks :)19:35
Davieyjiboumans, to list or direct?19:36
jiboumansfog's lifted, seeing the sun again :)19:36
jiboumansDaviey: feel free to ask direct19:36
Davieyok, thanks19:36
zuljiboumans: i wont be there btw19:36
SpamapSI'm a little unclear on the seed to main process19:36
SpamapSIs that just something that I need to have sponsored?19:36
jiboumanszul: no problem, it's only if you ahve questions. feel free to send those over email, irc or any other way19:36
mathiazSpamapS: thanks - I've just learned a new word today!19:37
mathiazSpamapS: stupdendous19:37
mathiazSpamapS: yes19:37
mathiazSpamapS: seeds are bzr branches19:37
mathiazSpamapS: so you can branch them and then submit a merge proposal through LP19:37
SpamapSAh ok so branch, merge request, etc?19:37
SpamapSmathiaz: well then I may have something for you on Thursday. :)19:38
SpamapSjiboumans: are we ready to talk about rubygems yet?19:38
mathiazSpamapS: great19:38
jiboumansSpamapS: i think some preparation is required there19:38
zulSpamapS: gah?19:38
DavieyIs this something that would be better on ubuntu-server ML?19:38
SpamapSjiboumans: agreed... I'd like it to be an action point on somebody's radar .. so many angry users.. ;)19:38
SpamapSDaviey: probably.19:39
jiboumans[ACTION] SpamapS to prepare suggestion around improving rubygems19:39
jiboumansspamaps: well volunteered19:39
mathiazzul: where is the SRU tracker code?19:39
SpamapS[ACTION] SpamapS to prepare suggestion around improving rubygems19:39
MootBotACTION received:  SpamapS to prepare suggestion around improving rubygems19:39
mathiazzul: great - thanks19:39
* SpamapS has always thought his neck sticks out a bit too much. ;)19:39
jiboumansany other topics?19:40
hallynzul: iiuc i need to nominate bug 588293 for sru19:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 588293 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) "iovec array memory leak" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58829319:40
mathiazSpamapS: debian bug 40340719:40
ubottuDebian bug 403407 in libgems-ruby "rubygems: gems are installed in /var/lib/gems/X.Y/bin, which is not in $PATH" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/40340719:40
mathiazSpamapS: ^^ this is your starting point :)19:40
SpamapSmathiaz: cool thanks.19:41
zulhallyn: please send an email to ubuntu server ml19:41
hallynzul: kthx19:41
jiboumans[TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time19:41
jiboumansTuesday 2010-07-13 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting19:41
* ttx puts his head in the sand to avoid seeing rubygems19:41
SpamapS[TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time19:41
MootBotNew Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time19:41
SpamapSTuesday 2010-07-13 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting19:41
jiboumansand that's all she wrote19:41
jiboumansthanks all for attending!19:41
MootBotMeeting finished at 13:41.19:41
Davieyttx, just alias rake for apt-get :)19:42
hallyn(doh, nm, i wasn't thinking straight)19:42
zulheh evil...but it might just work ;)19:42
hggdhI am back19:49
hggdhmeeting done19:49
* MichealH laughs at hggdh 19:50
MichealHHey Sensiva19:50
SensivaHey MichealH19:50
MichealHYou here for the meeting?719:50
SensivaSort of :D19:51
Sensivaerrrm the ubuntu membership meeting I mean19:51
MichealHYup :D19:51
MichealHI am \o/19:51
MichealHHey Agafonov19:51
zkriesseSensiva: and you are?19:51
czajkowski9 mins to go folks19:51
AgafonovMichealH: listening...19:52
netshinereally? :-019:52
MichealHczajkowski: Its at 9BST is'nt it?19:52
netshinei think i have more hour :-019:52
Sensivazkriesse I am here just to attend the meeting, but I didn't apply for a membership yet19:52
netshinenvm :|19:52
MichealHczajkowski: We have 1:08 left19:52
MichealH1 hour?19:52
netshineyep :-019:52
czajkowskiyes 1 hr 8 mins19:53
zkriessethe meeting will start at 20:00 UTC19:53
* MichealH laughs at czajkowski 's fail19:53
czajkowskiMichealH: keep laughing I'll see you back in an hour for the meeting.19:53
MichealHHey airurando19:54
czajkowskiairurando: aloha19:54
AgafonovI think someone should force ubuntu events to use human understandable time zones :)19:54
airurandoHello MichealH and czajkowski19:55
Sensivatimeanddate.com made it easy19:55
zkriesseAgafonov: eh he19:55
czajkowskiairurando: one of these days I'll see your application on the membership agenda page :)19:56
Agafonovor - add UTC calculator to ubottu...19:57
ubottuInformation about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)19:58
zkriesseAgafonov: type date -u in your terminal19:58
zkriesseAgafonov: it'll tell you what time it is in UTC19:58
Agafonovzkriesse: I know what time is on my computer, It must be clearly seen here19:58
MichealHI just minus 1 hr form my system clock :)19:59
MichealH!time utc19:59
MichealHAhhh I fail19:59
* Agafonov searching ubottu author...20:00
MichealHDey Ddorda20:01
DdordaMichealH: hey there :)20:02
MichealHczajkowski: If i remember I didnt make it cos of the Wiki... I HOPE IT WORKS TODAY20:02
MichealHBAD WIKI :D20:02
Ddordai didn't know i have friends here, maybe i should come here more often :D20:02
czajkowskiDdorda: hey!!20:03
MichealHOh Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!20:03
Ddordaczajkowski: hey20:03
Ddordai came cause netshine won't stop to push me in here20:03
MichealHbad netshine :D20:04
netshineyeah.. it was like "ddorda please please please"20:04
Ddordanetshine: he even asked from czajkowski to call me20:04
netshineand he was like : "yeah... why not, i guess"20:04
Ddordanetshine: i already told you, if you want me to be your friend, i take only paypal donates.20:04
netshinepaypal.com/ddorda "Pay Now"20:05
Ddordanetshine: it's more like "i love you! now pay"20:05
DdordaMichealH: you're invited too20:05
MichealHnetshine: Not as evil as me I am begging on my knees for vbrummond to join. Basically because he thinks I deserve it more than anyone he knows :)20:06
MichealHHey mpoirier20:06
* MichealH makes notes20:06
DdordaMichealH: and i thought i was special! :(20:07
=== netshine is now known as netshine-away
=== netshine-away is now known as netshine
MichealHpopey, czajkowski others 10 mins :D20:51
MichealHHey rs3 moshe74220:56
moshe742hey to you too:)20:56
MichealHHere for the meeting?20:56
SeveasMichealH, could you please try not disrupting the meeting this time?20:56
moshe742the meeting is in a few minutes, right?20:56
MichealHYup I wont Seveas20:56
rs3good afternoon20:56
MichealHmoshe742: 4 mins20:57
zkriesseMichealH: please just sit still..hush20:57
MichealHrs3: Good afternoon to you too :P20:57
* MichealH stays quiet20:57
zkriesseThank you20:57
andrejznetherlands just scored if anyone wants to know20:58
Seveaspopey, czajkowski, highvoltage, ogra, ogra_cmpc, stgraber, drubin: prod20:58
=== io is now known as steffan
* ogra_cmpc wonders if Seveas is watching 20:58
czajkowskiSeveas: aloha20:58
czajkowskiogra_cmpc: howdy doody20:58
Seveasogra_cmpc, no20:58
highvoltageI'm here, stgraber will be here in just a minute20:58
* drubin is here20:58
Seveasthough I can hear vuvuzelas (live almost nextdoor to a few cafes)20:58
* drubin lives in ZA20:59
h00kSeveas: not you again.20:59
czajkowskino more annoying bees noise soon20:59
* drubin offers cookies to those waiting21:00
* MichealH takes drubin 's cookies :P21:00
slofgren_slofgren_: takes a cookie21:00
* scott_ev loves cokies21:00
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MichealHMy iPod ^^21:00
MichealHheh I am well organised21:01
SeveasMichealH, please stay quiet until it is your turn.21:01
scott_evdrubin: milk?21:01
MichealHSeveas: Yup21:01
Seveasall: we're waiting a few minutes for stgraber to arrive21:01
drubinscott_ev: nope ;-p ok back on topic.21:01
* stgraber waves21:01
drubingreat timing. nice stgraber21:01
Seveascandidates: please prepare a short (3 line max) introduction to paste when it is your turn21:02
highvoltageSeveas: it's barely been a minute! (if ntp is to be believed)21:02
Seveashighvoltage, ntp is a lie :P21:02
drubinThe spoon is a lie! not the cookie21:02
Seveasok, let's get started!21:02
moshe742what should we tell in the short introduction?21:02
ogra_cmpcyou should introduce yourself21:02
Seveasandrejz, you're up first, please introduce yourself21:02
ogra_cmpcand what you have done to contribute21:03
andrejzhello! my name is andrej and i do most of my activities21:03
andrejzin the translation field. I am a member of gnome translation group21:03
czajkowskiwe're going through the list in order of names added https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA21:03
andrejzand recently became a coordinator of laucnhpad slovenian translators21:03
andrejzmore info can be found on wiki here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndrejZnidarsic or ask21:03
SeveasI'm impressed with the amount of work, both upstream and in Ubuntu21:04
andrejzwell, i have had a lot of time this year ;)21:04
h00kI concur, excellent work thus far.21:04
andrejzalso in wiki you can find a testimonial from gnome translator group coordinator21:05
czajkowskiandrejz: how do you plan on Establishing a system of quality control with the  Slovenian translators group ?21:05
* ogra_cmpc is impressed as well21:05
andrejzthe points bellow describe what has been already done21:05
* popey hugs google chrome translate when clicking links to Slovenian sites21:06
czajkowskiandrejz: did you encounter any problems?21:06
andrejzso basically informing both through mailing list (also adding people to the mailing list)21:06
highvoltageandrejz: you should poke ubuntu-news now and again to share the progress, we should let the larger community know of the work you're doing21:06
Seveasandrejz, I'm curious, why a jabber chatroom and not irc?21:06
andrejzalso we created a chat group, where people can ask21:06
czajkowskiandrejz: nice idea21:06
andrejzwell, jabber is nice beacause it logs all the conversations21:06
ogra_cmpcirc does too :)21:07
andrejzso if anyone is offline, they can catch up everything once they log in21:07
Seveasogra_cmpc, not with replay, unless everyone uses a bouncer :)21:07
SeveasI'm +121:07
popeynice idea21:07
highvoltageI'm just going to cut to the chase and say +121:07
andrejzand it's easy to use21:07
ogra_cmpctotally +121:07
andrejzyou just add one more contact21:07
drubinI am a +121:07
popeyI like that I'm seeing Slovenian translations of announcements we put out, thats always nice to see..21:07
stgraber+1 too21:07
Seveash00k, only board members vote.21:08
andrejzyou don't need to login anywhere just your chat account21:08
czajkowski+1 also21:08
h00kSeveas: I forget...21:08
ogra_cmpchey, btw, didntt czajkowski ask to use mootbot ?21:08
popeynext time :)21:08
czajkowskiogra_cmpc: I did21:08
popeythats a full house I believe21:09
SeveasI think so too, but have trouble counting21:09
popeycongratulations andrejz21:09
Seveaswelcome aboard!21:09
popeySeveas: shall I?21:09
czajkowskishall we use MootBot for the rest?21:09
andrejzthank you21:09
highvoltagecongratulations and welcome andrejz21:09
czajkowskiandrejz: well done21:09
Seveasczajkowski, if you know how to drive it, go ahead :)21:09
andrejzthanks for the welcome21:09
thelinuxercongratulations andrejz21:10
h00k:) congrats21:10
MootBotMeeting started at 15:10. The chair is czajkowski.21:10
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]21:10
czajkowski[topic] Jens Maucher21:10
MootBotNew Topic:  Jens Maucher21:10
czajkowskidefcon: care to tell us about yourself21:10
defconhello. my name is jens.21:10
defconi'm most active in translations and local activities21:11
defconfor more informations you can have a look on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JensMaucher21:11
highvoltage1886 answer tracker points, not bad!21:11
defconfeel free to ask if you want to know something :)21:12
czajkowskidefcon: can you tell me about the ubuntu-events-de and what it's about ?21:12
defconczajkowski, i'm new in the ubuntu-events-de group, but i want to be part of some local events in my neighborhod21:13
czajkowskidefcon: are you involve in your LoCo ?21:13
highvoltagedefcon: what activities do you do as part of the ubuntu-hams group?21:13
defconhighvoltage, well, i'm trying hamdradio software and build software for hams21:14
h00kdefcon: I also have taken a liking to Diving, I should contact you sometime about my dive-logging software I'm writing up.21:15
czajkowskidefcon: is there anyone where from your team to cheer you on ?21:15
defconczajkowski, i hope so :-) julius bloch21:16
defconi hope i understood you question21:16
SeveasA testimonial from julius would help21:16
SeveasBecause while the work looks good, there are no testimonials at all from others on your wikipage. Especially for local offline work such as events, testimonials and reports are very important21:17
ogra_cmpcor anyone else from the german team21:17
highvoltageogra_cmpc: like you? :)21:17
ogra_cmpchighvoltage, i must admit i'm not very active in the german community21:17
czajkowski[vote] Please vote on Jens Maucher / defcon application.  Only Board members vote21:17
MootBotPlease vote on:  Please vote on Jens Maucher / defcon application.  Only Board members vote.21:17
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defconi can ask him, but 2 days ago he wrote in the mailinglist that he very busy (famliy and work) that there is no time in next21:17
MootBot-1 received from czajkowski. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -121:18
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czajkowskiinsufficent information on the wiki sorry.21:18
SeveasDue to reasons given above21:18
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highvoltage+0 [ great work so far, but I'd like to see some testimonials and more solid documentation ]21:18
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drubinmissing info.21:18
Seveasdrubin, I'm afraid -0 doesn't work21:18
MootBotAbstention received from drubin. 0 for, 3 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -321:18
drubinSeveas: Thanks.21:18
czajkowskiogra_cmpc: whats the end vote command21:18
MootBotFinal result is 0 for, 3 against. 3 abstained. Total: -321:19
drubindefcon: Your work looks great but would be good to hear from others.21:19
czajkowski[topic] Netanel Shine / netshine21:19
MootBotNew Topic:  Netanel Shine / netshine21:19
ogra_cmpcyeah, some more testimonials21:19
Seveasnetshine, are you there?21:19
czajkowskinetshine: can you tell us about yourself please21:19
stgraberczajkowski: you ended that vote a bit too early ;)21:19
netshinejust waiting :)21:19
czajkowskistgraber: sorry!21:19
netshineok, my name is netanel shine. an active user in the israeli ubuntu loco21:19
highvoltagedefcon: We'd all like to see you become a member, it would be great if you could apply again in the future with more testimonials and more details of the work that you've been doing21:19
netshineyou can see my contributes and activites in my wiki page21:20
defconhighvoltage, ok21:20
netshinerecently uploaded gnome-paint project to launchpad..21:20
Seveasnetshine, what kind of things does hamakor do? And how do you divide your time between hamakor and ubuntu?21:20
netshineHamakor is an foundation21:21
netshineso its side by side next to the israeli loco21:21
highvoltageHamakor has a Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamakor21:21
popeyanyone here to cheer for netshine ?21:21
netshineHamakor gonna set up an big event next mounth21:21
czajkowskiDdorda: ?21:22
Ddordaczajkowski: ?21:22
Seveasnetshine, what kind of event and what will you be doing there?21:22
highvoltagenetshine: where are you most active directly in Ubuntu?21:22
netshinehighvoltage: the israeli loco21:22
MootBotLINK received:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Penguin21:23
netshinethats the event.21:23
drubinDdorda: Care to cheer on for netshine21:23
highvoltagenetshine: what type of activities do you do in your loco team?21:23
netshinemainly helps in the irc channel,,21:23
Ddordanetshine is great guy, a nice man, and you can always see him on #ubuntu-il channel21:23
netshineand helping where i can.21:24
SeveasDdorda, do you think we should make him an Ubuntu member?21:24
DdordaSeveas: i guess so, he is one of the most seen users in our LoCo21:24
netshinealso, helping to translating the meetings (irc loco meetings)21:24
highvoltageDdorda: we typically don't give people membership for just being users though ;)21:24
moshe742he is willing to help any one any time too21:25
highvoltageany further questions?21:25
czajkowskimoshe742: how do you think netshine helps your team ?21:25
Ddordahighvoltage: well, he helps a lot, he gives a lot of support and takes part in any project he can21:25
Ddordaas much as i see it21:26
netshinelateely more work is created around for me and a i aliitle bit less available.. but when i can, i help21:26
drubinnetshine: How do you bring ubuntu into August Penguin? and Hamakor21:26
czajkowski[vote] please vote on the Netanel Shine/ netshine application. Only board members vote21:26
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highvoltage+1 [ active contributor within loco team ]21:26
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moshe742he is helping and wants the best for the loco21:26
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Seveashighvoltage, ooooh, it does do comments!21:26
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Seveasone more vote21:26
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highvoltageSeveas: yeah I can't imagine voting without it!21:27
Seveasok, that makes 721:27
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czajkowskiSeveas: Thank you :p21:27
popeycongratulations netshine21:27
Seveaswelcome aboard netshine!21:27
ogra_cmpccongrats netshine21:27
Ddordagod i miss the old days when bots didn't spam here on votes :D21:27
czajkowskinetshine: well done21:27
highvoltagecongratulations netshine and welcome21:27
moshe742congrats netshine:)21:27
netshinethank you all (including my local group)21:27
ogra_cmpcDdorda, easier to count :)21:27
czajkowskiok moving on21:27
czajkowski[topic] Raphaël Hertzog / buxy21:27
MootBotNew Topic:  Raphaël Hertzog / buxy21:27
buxyHi, I'm Raphaël Hertzog, I have been involved in Debian since 1998 where I contributed lots of stuff. Nowadays I concentrate on dpkg/dpkg-dev and general (QA) infrastructure. My main interest here is in helping Ubuntu and Debian to better cooperate. I hope to contribute towards this with better documentation/communication and with articles sent to both Planet Ubuntu and Planet Debian.21:28
ogra_cmpcbuxy !21:28
czajkowskibuxy: aloha21:28
SeveasInstant +1, serious debian/ubuntu work.21:28
buxyMore on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaphaelHertzog and on http://RaphaelHertzog.com21:28
buxyhi everybody21:28
highvoltage+1 [ outstanding work in Utnubu, bug fixes in Ubuntu and general awesome work in Debian that overflows in Ubuntu ]21:28
ogra_cmpc+1 without hearing anything21:28
Seveasczajkowski, you might want to start the vote :)21:28
ogra_cmpci know buxy from early #ubuntu-motu days21:28
highvoltageI've read his blog before blogs even existed21:28
czajkowskibuxy: can you just tell me how else you'd like to help Ubuntu.21:29
buxyglad to help you in getting back to schedule that was slippin a bit with 14 applications :)21:29
czajkowskibuxy: you're future goals are just a bit sparse21:29
buxyczajkowski: like I said in the short paste, my short term goals are around better communication between both projects in particular for newcomers that join in both sides21:30
popeyworth noting that buxy got a testimonial from sabdfl via email21:30
highvoltageczajkowski: he's part of the Utnubu revival, Utnubu is Ubuntu spellt backwards, it's the collaboration layer between debian and ubuntu, that's pretty important imho :)21:30
czajkowskihighvoltage: aye I'm aware of it21:31
czajkowskijust wanted to hear from buxy21:31
buxyI don't plan to do much technical work currently that's why I came here and not to DMB21:31
zkriesse_scott_ev: Ya still here?21:31
Seveaszkriesse_, there's a meeting in progress. Please don't interrupt.21:32
buxymy technical work will start in Debian and I'm glad I have responsive ubuntu maintainers for my packages currently so I don't need to dive myself :)21:32
buxy(thanks to Kamion mainly for dpkg)21:32
czajkowskibuxy: cool21:32
ogra_cmpcbuxy, he is cjwatson around here ;)21:33
czajkowskiany other comments folks ?21:33
MichealHDont think so21:33
* ajmitch thinks he'd be a great addition as a member21:33
buxyogra_cmpc: right, in OFTC too lately, I'm just not used to it :)21:33
czajkowski[vote] please vote on Raphaël Hertzog / buxy application.  Only board members vote21:33
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ajmitchmore debian people is a good thing :)21:33
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popeyczajkowski: woah21:34
czajkowskibuxy: welcome :)21:34
Seveasmissed one21:34
Seveasthere's 7 of us :)21:34
buxythank you all21:34
Seveasanyway, glad to have you aboard buxy21:34
highvoltagebuxy: welcome officially to the ubuntu family!21:34
ogra_cmpccongrats buxy21:34
drubinblah I also voted +121:34
MichealHvitium: Just in time !!!21:34
Seveasdrubin, be faster than czajkowski next time :)21:35
MichealH2 secs though21:35
drubinI had less then a minute!21:35
czajkowskiok moving on21:35
zkriesse_Congrats buxy welcome to the family21:35
czajkowski[topic] Micheal Harker / MichealH21:35
MootBotNew Topic:  Micheal Harker / MichealH21:35
MichealHHi, I am MichealH, Admin of the Ubuntu Youth Project and a Ubuntu Forums contributor. I am here tonight/this afternoon to apply for a membership because of my contributions to the Ubuntu Community. Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Micheal_Harker (Links fixed) Thanks!21:35
highvoltageMichealH: I've never heard of the Ubuntu Youth Project before, what does it do?21:35
* ogra_cmpc neither21:36
MichealHIt basically is a group of youths who use Ubuntu who help in the main categoies and groups of Ubuntu21:36
MichealHThey contribute to the community over Forums, IRC ect.21:36
vitiumIt also encourages new young members & helps them when learning Ubuntu related stuff21:36
MichealHI have the forum links fixed too21:37
SeveasYou're doing the youth team since four days and list almost no other contributions. Also no testimonials at all.21:37
highvoltage-1 [ insufficient information on application of significant sustained contribution ]21:37
SeveasThat's seriously lacking and I don't think I can do a positive vote.21:37
MichealHSeveas: I do have a atestimonial and vitium here is supporting me21:37
Seveasvitium, good. Why do you think MichealH should be an Ubuntu member?21:38
MichealHThere is a forum tutorial and I make Ubuzine!21:38
highvoltageWhat is Ubunzine? I've never heard of it before, how does it relate to UWN and why does it need to be seperate?21:38
MichealHhighvoltage: It is like Full Circle Magazine but for begineers and the suh21:39
* ogra_cmpc was wondering that too, especially since UWN always looks for contributors21:39
ajmitchfrom what I can see, it was first out a week ago?21:39
czajkowskiMichealH: why not talk to the UWN folks21:39
Ddordai g2g, just want to mention that alonswartz deserves to get in! sorry for disturbing. bye21:39
MichealHajmitch: No 4 weeks ago21:39
vitiumSeveas He has only been in the community for a few weeks and already has taken over the management on the previously dead Ubuntu Youth community and has already kick started a project.21:40
MichealHczajkowski: UWN folks?21:40
czajkowskiMichealH: Ubuntu weekly news21:40
MichealHI am also helping in #ubuntu at the moment21:40
Seveasvitium, Ubuntu membership is a recognition of a sustained, significant contribution. What you say fails at least sustained. And I'm unsure about significant as well.21:40
MichealHas I usually do when I can21:40
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MichealHSeveas: I acctually have been Ubuntu'in for 4 years now!21:41
czajkowskiMichealH: I do appreciate your enthuasim, I think it'd be wise for you to get to know some of the groups that are already doing some of the work you've shown an interest in21:41
czajkowski[vote] please vote on Micheal Harker / MichealH applicaton.  Only board members vote.21:41
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highvoltage-1 [ insufficient information on application of significant sustained contribution ]21:41
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drubin-1 [n]21:41
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MichealHOh well :(21:42
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popey!membership | MichealH21:42
ubottuMichealH: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership21:42
popeythat page does detail what we look for21:42
popeyand I think the 'sustained and significant' is the bit you fall down on21:42
MichealHI know but I still do try and contribute when I acam21:42
popeyenthusiasm and motivation is clearly high21:42
popeykeep going though!21:43
ogra_cmpcMichealH, you should definately come back but put some time under your belt thats a bit better documented21:43
czajkowski[topic] Roy Jamison / xteejx21:43
MootBotNew Topic:  Roy Jamison / xteejx21:43
MichealHOhh almost forgot I am also redesigning or helping to redesigh Ubuntu UK websit21:43
czajkowskiMichealH: we can talk after meeting we're moving on21:43
highvoltageover 7000!21:43
Seveasxteejx seems not to be here21:43
highvoltage(sorry that's a way too -in-joke for here)21:44
czajkowski[topic] Nils-Christoph Fiedler21:44
MootBotNew Topic:  Nils-Christoph Fiedler21:44
nils1hi, my name is nils! i am a low german translator and coordinate several translation teams like ubuntu-l10n-nds, lp-l10n-nds, nds on tp and gnome upstream. and i do all that since spring/summer 2009.21:44
nils1here is my personal wiki on ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nils-ChristophFiedler21:44
Seveasthere's nothing low about translation work21:44
nils1what do you mean?21:44
czajkowskiSeveas: it's a form of the language I think21:45
popeyhe is attempting humour21:45
czajkowskifrom what I've read21:45
popeyand failing21:45
nils1i already applied for membership in march this year, but you told me, that i shall come back when ive contributed about half a year in whole or so, because there would be a guideline just to give membership to those people. i missed one month last time. so now its 4 month later and here i am again! :-)21:45
popeywelcome back!21:45
popeywhat have you done in the 4 months since then? :)21:45
Seveasno, i was not attempting humour21:46
Seveasjust misunderstanding21:46
ogra_cmpcSeveas, niederdeutsch21:46
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highvoltagenils1: you should have linked to https://launchpad.net/~xteejx/+related-software - it showcases some of your bug work quite nicely21:46
ogra_cmpcSeveas, in case your german is good enough :)21:46
Seveasyeah, reading wikipage now, it's becoming clearer :)21:46
Seveashighvoltage, nils1 != xteejx21:46
nils1sorry, must have been a key combination.. just loggod off21:46
Seveashighvoltage, https://launchpad.net/~ncfiedler21:46
ogra_cmpcSeveas, deatils :P21:46
Seveasnils1, how many other translators work on low german in Ubuntu?21:48
nils1at the time i guess no other one21:48
nils1there are some on the team21:48
nils1but most of them are active in standard german most of the time21:48
drubinCan some one explain how Low German is different from normal German? ;-p21:48
Seveashave you tried to contact them and ask why they are not active?21:48
popeydrubin: the wiki page explains ti21:49
czajkowski[vote] please vote on Nils-Christoph Fiedler / nils1 . Board members only21:49
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nils1i did but in the last weeks my examination at university startet so i had not much time ..21:49
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popeyI am impressed that you've come back after continuing to work hard, and working in a small team translating a "lesser" language must be tough..21:49
highvoltage+1 [ was +0.5'ing but bowing under peer pressure ]21:49
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popeywait for it... czajkowski21:50
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czajkowskipopey: :p21:50
popeycongratulations nils1 !21:50
nils1hej, thank you!21:50
Seveaswelcome aboard nils1 and thanks for retrying!21:50
highvoltagenils1: congratulations ans welcome!21:50
ogra_cmpcglueckwunsch nils121:50
nils1hihi, danke!21:50
czajkowski[topic] Majd Almontaser  ttmt21:51
MootBotNew Topic:  Majd Almontaser  ttmt21:51
SeveasMIA, next!21:51
czajkowskihmm not present21:51
czajkowski[topic] Steffan Wood  steffan21:51
MootBotNew Topic:  Steffan Wood  steffan21:51
czajkowskisteffan: aloha!21:52
steffanHi, I'm Steffan! My contributions to Ubuntu have been support in the IRC channels over the past two years, answering questions on Launchpad and distributing over 200 Ubuntu Live CDs to Internet cafes, libraries and educational facilities that don't have the required funding to purchase closed-source OSs/software, and filing the occasional bug report along the way.21:52
highvoltagesteffan: how long have you been providing support on #ubuntu?21:52
steffanFrom now on, I plan on getting involved in Ubuntu packagaing and become a MOTU, and also to carry on with my current contributions but incrase the scale of Ubuntu distribution in my community. My wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WoodSteffan.21:52
czajkowskisteffan: are there any other future goals you;d like to see in the community/ubuntu/irc ?21:53
steffanhighvoltage: I started around two years ago, as I have learnt more I have been able to provide more support so since around Spring 09 I have been providing support for about 4/5 hours per day.21:54
ogra_cmpcnice set of testimonials21:54
Seveasvery nice set21:54
popeywow, yeah21:54
czajkowskiaye testimonials ++21:54
h00kI'm here on behaf of steffan, I've seen him around in #ubuntu giving support, I believe he is a good candidate for an Ubuntu Membership21:54
popeyhigh praise21:54
SeveasI know almost all of the people on that list21:54
* ogra_cmpc likes the last one most 21:54
ogra_cmpc(being former lead of edubuntu)21:55
steffanczajkowski: Hi, I think the layout of Ubuntu/IRC is perfect for the time being, one thing I did have in mind (and I'm not sure if this is the right place to mention it) is the IRC Council creating #ubuntu-ipv6 (for obvious reasons).21:55
bazhangI'm here as well, steffan is often around giving very helpful answers on #ubuntu21:55
drubinwoohoo nice21:55
highvoltageI'm ready to vote21:55
czajkowski[vote] please vote on Steffan Wood  steffan application.  ONly board members vote21:55
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highvoltage+1 [ sustained contributions, good testimonials from other Ubuntu members, showing intent to move up further ]21:55
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czajkowskisteffan: thanks for answering21:55
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popeyawesome work, I admire anyone who can withstand the onslaught of #ubuntu!21:55
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czajkowskistgraber: you're killing me dude! :)21:56
drubinsteffan: That last testimonial is what it is all about!21:56
popeycongratulations steffan !21:56
steffanpopey, Seveas, ogra_cmpc: Thank you about the testimonials, I appreiciate it and you are lucky to have those great guys onboard!21:56
h00kCongrats, steffan!21:56
LjLcongratulations steffan21:56
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czajkowski[topic] Gerfried Fuchs /  Rhonda21:56
MootBotNew Topic:  Gerfried Fuchs /  Rhonda21:56
bazhangnicely done steffan well deserved21:56
steffanCheers all!21:56
czajkowskiRhonda: aloha there21:57
highvoltageThis is also going to be a super-easy21:57
highvoltageThis is also going to be a super-easy +1 from me21:57
czajkowskiRhonda: you here ?21:57
Seveaswow, detailed testimonials21:57
highvoltageI don't know how you can beat those endorsements21:57
ogra_cmpcgeez, what a wiki21:57
czajkowskiwell we cant do anything if they're not here either...21:58
Seveaswould be a pity21:58
czajkowskiright moving on so21:58
IdleOnecongrats steffan21:58
highvoltageI'm ready to vote21:58
highvoltageoh is that a rule set in stone?21:58
czajkowskihighvoltage: they're not here21:58
Seveashighvoltage, yes, we do like to talk to people21:59
czajkowski[topic]  Alon Swartz / alonswartz21:59
MootBotNew Topic:   Alon Swartz / alonswartz21:59
alonswartzHey folks21:59
czajkowskialonswartz: aloha there21:59
Seveasespecially since his wikipage says he applies for MOTU, for which he is in the wrong place21:59
highvoltageok easy one for next time then :)21:59
alonswartzI'm the co-founder and one of the developers behind TurnKey Linux, an open source project developing a free virtual appliance library (based on Ubuntu).21:59
alonswartzThe project is a sort of LoCo for server appliances. Instead of helping introduce users to Ubuntu on a geographical basis, we help introduce users to Ubuntu by helping them quickly setup and deploy Ubuntu as a server platform.21:59
alonswartzI've contributed code to ubuntu server, in the form of ec2metadata (included in cloud-init), ebsmount (recently added to universe for maverick, and on its way to main) to be included in the Ubuntu EC2 and UEC images. The Turnkey appliances are also in the process to be included in the UEC store.21:59
alonswartzI actively participated in UDS-M in the server and cloud track, am active in the Israel Loco...22:00
ogra_cmpcwow, you have half the server team giving you good testimonials22:00
moshe742alonswartz, your name on the forum?22:00
ogra_cmpcgreat work too22:00
alonswartzI'm not active on the ubuntu forum22:01
moshe742only on the irc?22:01
highvoltageI'm familiar with turnkey, it brings ubuntu to many, many new users22:01
alonswartzmoshe742: if you are referring to the israeli loco - yes, only irc22:01
alonswartzhighvoltage: thanks22:01
drubintestimonial from Dustin22:02
alonswartzbtw, Ddorda was here earlier but had to run, he said: [23:44]<Ddorda>i g2g, just want to mention that alonswartz deserves to get in! sorry for disturbing. bye22:02
moshe742so thats why i don't know you that well22:02
* ogra_cmpc is happy wiht the wikipage alone and has no questions ... 22:03
SensivaTurnkey brings servers applications to many Ubuntu users in a super easy way. I am sure it will change the VPS market soon , Also I learned alot from Turnkey,22:03
popeyalonswartz: you've come before us for membership before, and you were turned down, what's changed since then?22:03
Seveasalonswartz, were you satisfied with the way the CC handled the discussion about Turnkey Linux after last time?22:03
alonswartzLiraz was mainly handling the CC discussion, not me22:04
highvoltagealonswartz: do you have any plans to bring turnkey any closer to the wider ubuntu community?22:04
alonswartzTurnKey has come a long way since then, the project is much more active with the ubuntu community22:04
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popeyalonswartz: in what way?22:04
highvoltagealonswartz: please tell us about it :)22:04
alonswartzand so am I (see contributions)22:04
alonswartzI participated actively in UDS-M22:05
popeywere you there?22:05
highvoltagealonswartz: great! what did you do?22:06
alonswartzI participated in lots of the server/cloud sessions22:06
alonswartz1 example was a session regarding ebsmount, a package i wrote for use in turnkey appliances22:06
alonswartzI worked with smoser to add UEC support to it22:06
popeyI'm seeing lots more direct contribution since january, which is great to see22:06
alonswartzits currently in universe, on its way to main to be included in the ec2 and uec builds22:07
czajkowski[vote] please vote on Alon Swartz / alonswartz .  Board members only vote22:07
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highvoltageany further questions?22:07
alonswartzwe are also working with other server team members, to get turnkey appliances into the UEC store22:07
alonswartzec2metadata was also included in cloud-init22:07
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Seveas+1 [ Good to see you're more active in Ubuntu and that Turnkey keeps steaming ahead ]22:08
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highvoltage+1 [ good work so far and I believe it will continue to get better ]22:08
alonswartzi'm happy to go on - any specific questions22:08
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popeythanks for coming back and detailing your contributions, and keep up the great work with turnkey alonswartz !22:08
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Seveaszkriesse, don't vote.22:09
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czajkowskizkriesse: please dont vote22:09
Seveasonly board members note.22:09
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Seveaswelcome aboard alonswartz22:09
popeycongrats alonswartz22:09
highvoltagealonswartz: yep, congrats and welcome22:09
IdleOnecongrats alonswartz22:09
Seveaswe have run out of time22:09
moshe742congrats alonswartz22:09
alonswartzthanks folks - great to be "officially" part of ubuntu22:09
zkriesseguys please vote on scott_ev22:09
zkriessehe deserves it22:09
Seveaswho of the board is available for 3 more candidates?22:10
SeveasI am22:10
popeyi am22:10
czajkowskiI am22:10
* drubin 22:10
* highvoltage 22:10
czajkowskiok lets get moving22:10
* ogra_cmpc is22:10
czajkowski[topic] J Scott Gwin  / scott_ev22:10
MootBotNew Topic:  J Scott Gwin  / scott_ev22:10
* fuzzyvader cheers!22:10
* hutchnate cheers22:10
czajkowskiscott_ev: aloha there!22:10
scott_evHello, I'm Scott Gwin and I'm very pleased to be here.  Retirement came early for me 3.5 years ago at age 45 and that's right about the time someone handed me an Ubuntu CD - 6.10 Edgy I believe. I moced to Arizona 2 years ago to care for aging parents and immediately joined the LoCo:  then when our LoCo team leader johnc4510 got called upon to do bigger and better things for Ubuntu someone had to step up and moderate the weekly meeti22:10
* zkriesse cheers22:10
czajkowskinice to see cheering folks!22:10
Seveascheerers: please also say why you're cheering for him :)22:10
highvoltagescott_ev: what does the leading J stand for?22:11
scott_evthat's the whole name22:11
fuzzyvaderSeveas: cause he's awesome22:11
scott_evmom wanted john jr and dad said no22:11
fuzzyvaderhe is the heart of our LoCo22:11
zkriesseHe's a great guy/friend. He is always willing to assist with anything he can and his work with us Weekly Newsies is just awesome22:11
zkriesseAnd his LoCo work is beyond amazing22:11
czajkowskiscott_ev: firstly, nice wiki page!!!22:12
drubinscott_ev: Great wiki page!22:12
czajkowskiso nice to see this!22:12
highvoltageyeah that's really good documentation of work done22:12
ogra_cmpcand awesome testimonials too22:12
Seveasyes, makes it very easy for us. I'm ready to vote :)22:12
czajkowskiscott_ev: so tell me how you plan on increasing your loco  to contribute?22:12
* highvoltage too22:12
* ogra_cmpc too22:12
drubinscott_ev: All those install fests are they reported/recorded any where? Pics blog post and all that?22:12
akgranerscott_ev also works hard to get UWN out the door each week - also willing to help and tackle what needs to be done22:13
zkriesseakgraner: agreed...he does a really good job22:13
fuzzyvaderczajkowski: he was all about travelling over three hours to come to Havasu and do an install fest here, the LoCo is statewide and he's willing to travel22:14
czajkowskifuzzyvader: good to know22:14
highvoltage+1 [ great loco and community work, solid UWN contributions and good testimonials from well known ubuntu contributors and members ]22:14
scott_evdrubin: there were, but I've failed at keeping it up22:14
czajkowski[vote] please vote on scott_ev application.  ONly board members vote PLEASE22:14
MootBotPlease vote on:  please vote on scott_ev application.  ONly board members vote PLEASE.22:14
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highvoltagesorry I couldn't keep it in any longer22:14
highvoltage+1 [ great loco and community work, solid UWN contributions and good testimonials from well known ubuntu contributors and members ]22:14
MootBot+1 received from highvoltage. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 122:14
ogra_cmpcseeing akgraner cheering for him would have made me +1 if i werent already :)22:14
MootBot+1 received from ogra_cmpc. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 222:14
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drubin+1 [great work]22:14
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popeynice testimonials there scott_ev22:14
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MootBotFinal result is 7 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 722:14
popeyrock on!22:14
rs3way to go scott!22:14
czajkowskiscott_ev: welcome aboard!!!22:14
scott_evThank you very much.  Hopefully this will put some new motivation into our LoCo since we've already accomplished so much.22:14
fuzzyvaderwoot woot22:14
ogra_cmpccongrats !!22:14
zkriessescott_ev: OH YEAH DUDE!22:14
highvoltagescott_ev: well done22:15
Seveasscott_ev, keep on rocking!22:15
drubinscott_ev: It was more from the point of view that don't loose those pics/blog posts. They are nice to keep historically ;-p22:15
akgranercongrats scott_ev!22:15
czajkowski[topic] Moshe Nahmias / moshe74222:15
MootBotNew Topic:  Moshe Nahmias / moshe74222:15
drubingreat work!22:15
scott_evdrubin, agreed22:15
moshe742Hi, my name is Moshe, from the Israeli loco team. I help translate ubuntu to Hebrew and help to any one on ubuntu. I am one of the leaders for more then a year now on our loco and try to move the loco forward. I help in organizing ubuntu on the grass release parties.22:15
moshe742You can see most if not all on the Wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Moshenahmias22:15
scott_evdrubin: I'll make it happen from now on22:15
moshe742if you have any questions you are welcome to ask22:15
Seveasmoshe742, on your wikipage you say "hundreds of translations", yet launchpad lists only 108 strings. What happened to the rest?22:15
moshe742i thought i did more... then i will correct it, sorry22:16
moshe742how can i see how many translations i did?22:17
Seveasonyly 108 strings isn't too many though :)22:17
highvoltageI have no further questions22:17
Seveasah, now, that's 108 karma points22:17
Seveasand I have *no* idea how much strings that means22:17
czajkowskimoshe742: can you tell us about your involment in your team?22:17
moshe742i think i did more, pretty sure about it22:17
zkriessehighvoltage: after the meeting i'd like to talk to you22:18
Seveas50 packages, occasional translations22:18
moshe742i am one of the leaders on our loco22:18
moshe742helping any one that needs it and willing to go to their homes if needed22:19
highvoltage+0 [ Nice amount of forum posts, but not much other evicence of significant sustained contributions ]22:19
netshinei can say something?22:19
czajkowskinetshine: please do22:19
highvoltagezkriesse: you're welcome to, I'll need to leave directly after the meeting but feel free to ping me in an hour or so22:19
zkriessehighvoltage: roger22:19
netshinei think moshe is one of the best users in our community22:19
czajkowskimoshe742: are there others from your team here to cheer you on ??22:19
moshe742i am helping to organize release parties22:19
netshineyou should consider it again to accept him22:19
netshinehis willing to help any time he can.22:20
netshinehe doing he`s best.22:20
moshe742and Ddorda if he is still here22:20
drubin+1 [ddorda's testimonal, very active in forms (even if not support), active bassed on other ubuntu.il members]22:20
czajkowski[vote] please vote on Moshe Nahmias / moshe742  Application.  BOARD MEMBERS ONLY22:21
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drubin+1 [ddorda's testimonal, very active in forms (even if not support), active bassed on other ubuntu.il members]22:21
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* ogra_cmpc changed his mind based on cheering22:21
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MootBot+1 received from popey. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 422:21
Seveas+0 [ Contributions seem very good, but documentation of them should have been done better ]22:21
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* highvoltage remains +022:21
drubinhighvoltage: vote22:21
Seveashighvoltage, then please vote again22:21
MootBotAbstention received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 422:21
* highvoltage glares at MootBot 22:22
MootBotFinal result is 4 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 422:22
czajkowskimoshe742: welcome22:22
czajkowskihighvoltage: what are you glaring at the poor bot for22:22
Seveasthat's good enough :) Welcome aboard moshe742!22:22
czajkowski[topic] Ahmed Toulan  / thelinuxer22:22
MootBotNew Topic:  Ahmed Toulan  / thelinuxer22:22
thelinuxerhi guys22:22
czajkowskithelinuxer: aloha thanks for waiting22:23
moshe742thanks, and if i need to do anything better i want to have your input:)22:23
thelinuxerczajkowski: np :)22:23
Seveasmoshe742, just keep on making Ubuntu bigger in Israel :)22:23
thelinuxeri wanted to wait :D22:23
thelinuxerMy name is Ahmed Toulan. I am one of the official Loco contacts in ubuntu-eg group. The Egyptian LoCo team.22:23
thelinuxerI joined the group in 2007 but the owner disappeared and nothing much was done.22:23
thelinuxerthere was no moderation for the launchpad group or the mailing list. No one was able to join the group.22:23
moshe742np, thanks again:)22:23
thelinuxerI stepped forward for moderator role, with my colleague Mohamed Zaian(Extend), both on the mailing list and the launchpad group.22:23
thelinuxerWe tried (the whole team) to arrange a release party a couple of times,  but we didn't succeed in finding a good venue.22:24
czajkowskithelinuxer: that;'s a lot testimonials22:24
highvoltagenice amount of testimonials but I don't know any of the people who made them, I assume they're all part of the loco team22:24
SeveasThat's a good amount of testimonials, but there have recently been problems in the egypt loco team. How is the team doing these days?22:24
thelinuxerczajkowski: i have good friends22:24
mgamalhighvoltage: yes we are22:24
thelinuxerit wasn't a problem with the team22:24
thelinuxera member tried to steal our work22:24
thelinuxerand that was not acceptable22:24
Seveaswho was that?22:24
IdleOnesteal how?22:24
thelinuxerso he was banned from the team22:24
highvoltagethelinuxer: one of your goals for 2010 is arranging classes for students22:25
thelinuxerSam Azab(HardDisk)22:25
czajkowskinice to see photos from events, looked lke a good release part https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Events22:25
highvoltagethelinuxer: how is that going (seeing that 2010 is more than half-way done)22:25
thelinuxerczajkowski: yes22:25
drubinthelinuxer: We do not need to get into details about that. ;-p22:25
drubingreat to see testimonials and pics22:25
Seveasthelinuxer, is the egypt loco team approved yet?22:25
thelinuxerhighvoltage: we are actually responsible for students summer training, currently in progress22:25
highvoltagethelinuxer: great22:25
thelinuxeri uploaded a few photos here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Events/SummerTraining201022:25
thelinuxerit's only a temp page22:25
thelinuxerSeveas: no it isn't22:26
thelinuxerbut we plan to get approved by the end on this month (next meeting)22:26
Seveasthelinuxer, how are you planning to achieve that?22:26
thelinuxercurrently we have done 1 install fest22:26
thelinuxermost of us are involved with other LUGs like EGLUG22:27
thelinuxerthe second event is the summer training we are having now22:27
thelinuxerand recently I finished our website22:27
thelinuxerand we start filling it with content :)22:27
czajkowskithelinuxer: I dont see your team down on the list for this months meeting for LC .  How do you plan on getting your  team ready for this?  how have you gone about organising it ?22:27
thelinuxeractually i am waiting till we end the summer training (next Thrusday) cause we don't have much time now22:28
SensivaWe were busy preparing for the currently ongoing training.22:28
thelinuxerwe will have a meeting to finalize the application and the roadmap22:28
thelinuxerdirectly after the summer training22:28
thelinuxernow we just try to document everything22:29
thelinuxerand share everything with the community22:29
thelinuxerand constantly distribute ubuntu CDs22:29
czajkowski[vote] please vote on Ahmed Toulan / thelinuxer . BOARD MEMBERS ONLY22:29
MootBotPlease vote on:  please vote on Ahmed Toulan / thelinuxer . BOARD MEMBERS ONLY.22:29
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highvoltage+1 [ active participation in loco team, good local feedback of work from peers ]22:29
MootBot+1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 222:29
MootBot+1 received from ogra_cmpc. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 322:30
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SensivaWe didn't cheer for the guy yet lol22:30
MootBot+1 received from czajkowski. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 522:30
highvoltagedidn't popey say he had to go?22:30
popeyI am playing with czajkowski22:30
MootBot+1 received from popey. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 622:31
highvoltagepopey: oh oO22:31
czajkowskidrubin: ping22:31
Seveasdrubin, finish him!22:31
MootBot+1 received from drubin. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 722:31
thelinuxerSeveas: lol22:31
highvoltageI actually lolled22:31
MootBotFinal result is 7 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 722:31
Seveasthelinuxer, welcome aboard!22:31
thelinuxerthanx guys  :D22:31
Sensivathelinuxer Congrats22:31
highvoltagethanks everyone and goodbye!22:31
popeyso many great people!22:31
thelinuxerthanx everyone22:31
ogra_cmpccongrats !22:32
popeywhat a good month!22:32
MootBotMeeting finished at 16:32.22:32
MFawzycongrats thelinuxer22:32
mgamalcongrats thelinuxer22:32
* czajkowski hugs MootBot 22:32
Seveaswoo, good meeting everyone22:32
alonswartzThanks folks22:32
Seveassee you next month!22:32
thelinuxerthanx mgamal Sensiva MFawzy EgyParadox22:32
stgrabersee you all next month22:32
* popey pokes czajkowski with an #endmeeting22:32
ogra_cmpcczajkowski, thanks for leading22:32
Seveaspopey, too late22:32
drubinthanks czajkowski22:32
Seveasyou're really getting old22:32
popeyspeak up!22:32
ogra_cmpcpopey, it gets worse, belive me22:32
Seveasnext meeting is august 3rd22:32
czajkowskipopey: get off the bandwaggon! or I'm gonna wallop you22:32
* popey edit0rs the wiki22:33
popeywill leave Rhonda in the wiki22:33
* ajmitch will just have to delurk to support Rhonda some other time then :)22:34
zkriessegreat meeting22:34
nils1is there a meeting afterwards?22:34
Seveasajmitch, august 3rd :)22:34
Seveasnils1, what for?22:34
ajmitchSeveas: as if I can remember that far ahead22:34
nils1i dont know :-)22:34
popeythe after party22:35
SeveasI'll bring the vuvuzela22:35
zkriessecommunity council meeting22:35
popeyI'll bring the explosives22:35
Seveascity finally got quieter after an hour of celebrating22:35
nils1just had a question about mailing list creation on rt.ubuntu.com and thought anyone of the 200people in here might have an idea22:35
ajmitchSeveas: oh yeah, some little football game or somthing?22:35
Seveasyeah, apparently .nl beat urugay (.uy?) 3 to 122:35
popeyyes, the cc meeting started 35 mins ago22:36
czajkowskinils1: is this for a loco mailing list?22:36
Seveaspopey, and nobody showed up for it?22:36
popeynothing on the agenda22:36
popeyit was mentioned on the ml22:36
nils1translation team list for launchpad22:36
popeycc is quiet now everyone else does its bidding :)22:36
Seveasthe community is doing well if the CC has an empty agenda :)22:36
ogra_cmpcor scared22:36
nils1loco is hard to define, because low german is spoken all over the world22:36
ajmitchor everything's delegated out22:36
popeyright, I'm off everyone, thanks all22:37
ogra_cmpcnils1, out of bavaria you mean ?22:37
czajkowskinils1: so you need a seperate list?22:37
czajkowskinils1: isn't launchpad an option ?22:37
czajkowskipopey: nn22:37
popeyhah, not nn, off to shoot some things on my computer :)22:37
nils1it would be, but the system doesnt allow me to do that for the ubuntu-l10n-nds team22:37
nils1telling me to create an ubuntu list22:37
scott_evI had to step away.  What do I need to do next?22:38
Seveasscott_ev, nothing :)22:38
nils1but my ticket is from spring or so22:38
popeyscott_ev: join #ubuntu-irc and ask for a cloak22:38
bazhangscott_ev, get an irc ubuntu cloak22:38
popeyscott_ev: also join lwn22:38
scott_evalready have a cloak22:38
zkriessescott_ev: no it'll be an @ubuntu/member cloak!22:38
scott_evlwn?  sorry don't know that one22:38
popeyoh, you can get an ubuntu one22:38
popeyLinux Weekly News22:38
scott_evzkriesse: aha22:38
popeyyou get a free subscription22:38
scott_evpopey: yes I should to that.  do you have a link?22:39
popeyyou get a special surprise :)22:39
czajkowskinils1: did you log a RT ?22:39
ubottuWant to become an Ubuntu member? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership22:39
popey^^ is linked there22:39
czajkowskiif so by any chance do you have the ticket number22:39
nils1ticket 961422:39
nils1created on march 4th and since that just been handed to other users on rt22:40
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scott_evwow, I never even bothered to read the benefits of memberhsip.  I just wanted to be a member22:40
czajkowskinils1: let me go poke folks22:41
bazhang#ubuntu-irc to get the cloak scott_ev22:41
nils1hej, thank you very much!22:41
czajkowskinils1: no bother22:41
MichealH_What needs be done for my membership next time?22:41
MichealH_Ahem... ^^22:42
czajkowskiMichealH_: a more detailed wiki22:43
czajkowskiwith testimonals22:43
scott_evbazhang: thanks22:43
czajkowskiMichealH_: I think you should give it a few months and then come bac.22:43
czajkowskinils1: just asked jcastro so hopefully I'll be able to find out22:44
SeveasMichealH_, some actual sustained and significant contributions would be nice22:44
jcastronils1: it's in the is queue22:45
czajkowskinils1: if you ask in #canonical-is22:45
MichealH_I hav someone on the case with help for my wiki22:45
nils1ah ok22:46
czajkowskiMichealH_: please give it some time.22:52
Ddordagod, your bot spams so much!22:52
czajkowskiDdorda: no it doesn't it's used for the voting and topics22:52
Ddordai would suggest removing the part when he just follows what you say22:53
Ddordaczajkowski: the part when he says the total count of the vote is great22:53
Ddordabut the part of just repeating your vote....22:53
SensivaIt is important to show an acknowledgment tho22:54
DdordaSensiva: well, to me it looks like just spaming, we can see when you're voting without the bot mentions22:57
SensivaDdorda I understand what you mean, but the bot should show that it parsed the message already22:57
Ddordai see22:58
SensivaMaybe czajkowski might need to shorten that line a bit, or make it reported to him in private or so22:58
SeveasDdorda, repeating the vote both confirms and counts votes. Very important22:58
popeybtw AlanBell is rewriting the bot22:58
SeveasSensiva, czajkowski doesn't own/operate the bot. Also, she's a she, not a he :)22:58
* Sensiva coughs22:59
jcastroI am pretty sure the bot's spam-level is popey's fault22:59
czajkowskitis ok , not a week goes by without someone getting mixed up.22:59
czajkowskiSo much so I've a slide on it at my talk this week22:59
drubinI am also pretty sure that czajkowski was operating the bot22:59
Seveasdrubin, I mean running the bot process and maintaining it :)23:00
drubinI know23:00
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nils1ok, got to go to bed.. have a good night alltogether!23:11
AlanBelloh, the bot ping23:16
czajkowskiAlanBell: we were just talking about MootBot23:17
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AlanBellI think the new bot will be a bit quieter, there might be verbosity levels you can set too23:20
SensivaIts nice knowing you all, catch you later23:24
DdordaAlanBell: what's new bot?23:28

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