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Andy80is the meeting starting in minutes or I'm too late/early?08:56
Andy80omg... it was PM -.-08:59
Andy80damn method of using AM/PM!08:59
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jamespagehe all16:00
jamespageor even hi all16:00
RoAkSoAxmorning all16:01
RoAkSoAxso ready to get this started16:01
SpamapSdon't forget to tell the bot what the name of the meeting is. :)16:01
RoAkSoAxi guess we are ready then16:02
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Sep  6 16:02:16 2011 UTC.  The chair is RoAkSoAx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.16:02
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RoAkSoAx[topic] Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:02
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RoAkSoAxalright there were no actions from the previous meeting apparently16:03
RoAkSoAxso unless anyone has something to brng up that has not been logged16:03
RoAkSoAxplease do so16:03
RoAkSoAxOk, I guess there's no action16:03
RoAkSoAxlet's move on16:03
RoAkSoAx[topic] Oneiric Development16:03
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RoAkSoAxDaviey: is in a meeting at the moment16:04
RoAkSoAxDaviey: so we can come back to this later16:04
RoAkSoAx[link] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html16:04
RoAkSoAxanywas, he said16:04
* Daviey pokes in.. Don't forget to progress bugs.. The 'Status' Step is starting to increase.16:05
RoAkSoAxhe tol me* to remind you all to set the status of your current blueprints16:05
Davieyhttp://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html <-- bugs not here, please raise them double quick if they should be fixed for Oneiric16:06
* Daviey gets back to his call16:06
Davieysorry for the fly by.16:06
RoAkSoAxalright then, let's move on16:06
RoAkSoAx[topic] Ubuntu Server Team Events16:06
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RoAkSoAxany events that anyone is participating in?16:07
zulODS next month16:07
RoAkSoAxI think Linux Plumbers  is tomorrow isn't it?16:08
SpamapSYeah we'll have a ton of people at ODS16:08
RoAkSoAxalright then16:08
RoAkSoAxmoving on16:09
SpamapSYes Plumbers starts tomorrow, I think kirkland is there.16:09
RoAkSoAx[topic] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)16:09
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RoAkSoAxhggdh: the floor is yours16:09
hggdhNo news from me, life is goodf16:10
RoAkSoAxmoving on16:11
RoAkSoAx[topic] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)16:11
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RoAkSoAxsmb all yours16:11
RoAkSoAxuhmm seems smb is not around16:12
RoAkSoAxwe'll move on and get back to him16:12
RoAkSoAx[topic] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)16:13
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RoAkSoAxNCommander howdy, any updates on ARM side?16:13
ogra_RoAkSoAx, he is on vacation this week16:14
RoAkSoAxogra_: I see, is there anyone from the ARM team with news?16:14
ogra_i havent gotten any info from NCommander, sorry16:15
ogra_and i dont think anyone else has16:15
RoAkSoAxalright then16:15
RoAkSoAxI'll move on16:15
RoAkSoAx[topic] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community16:15
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RoAkSoAxanyone from the Ubuntu Community has anything to share with us this week?16:15
RoAkSoAxok so It seems noone is around either16:16
RoAkSoAx[topic] Open Discussion16:16
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RoAkSoAxAnyone else has something to add?16:17
RoAkSoAxoh well I guess this was a short meeting then16:18
RoAkSoAxif noone has anything to add16:18
RoAkSoAxand smb is not back yet16:18
RoAkSoAxthen we can end this16:18
RoAkSoAx[topic] Announce next meeting date and time16:18
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RoAkSoAxsame time/date16:18
RoAkSoAxthank you all for attending16:18
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Sep  6 16:18:53 2011 UTC.16:18
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* kirkland waves at SpamapS from plumbers :-)16:19
zulgeez i think that beat my record16:20
* SpamapS waves back from 600 miles south.16:20
chilicuilhi there, not sure if this would fall in the topic, but last week launched the ugj and at least in my area it seemed a bit isolated, this was our first ugj and althought we got a fantastic time, I expected more Ubuntu juice, I mean, for example a central point to see what was going on, on others parts of the world, maybe some remote cameras =P or a main irc channel, anyway I just wanted to let it know16:23
hggdhchilicuil: the beast place to comment about the UGJ is the #ubuntu-community channel -- there you can be sure that the folks working on the UGJ will read it16:31
chilicuilhggdh: nice, I'll let them know, thanks!16:32
hggdhchilicuil: you are welcome16:32
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meetingologyMeeting started Tue Sep  6 16:59:15 2011 UTC.  The chair is bjf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.16:59
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meetingologybjf: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.16:59
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Sep  6 16:59:24 2011 UTC.16:59
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meetingologyMeeting started Tue Sep  6 17:00:17 2011 UTC.  The chair is bjf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.17:00
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bjf## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.17:00
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting17:00
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric17:00
bjf# Meeting Etiquette17:00
bjf# NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.17:00
bjf#       'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized)17:00
bjf[TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)17:01
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ppisatia new omap4 kernel has been pushed out (with the i/o scheduler bug fixed)17:02
tgardnerneed to upload the meta package yet17:02
ppisatia  new round of new kernels for every arm flavour is on the way out17:02
bjf[TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara)17:02
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ogasawara=== Release Metrics ===17:02
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt17:02
ogasawara==== oneiric nominated bugs ====17:02
ogasawara * 37 linux kernel bugs (up 17)17:02
ogasawara==== Ubuntu ubuntu-11.10-beta-2 bugs ====17:02
ogasawara * 2 linux kernel bugs (up 2)17:02
ogasawara==== <series>-updates bugs ====17:03
ogasawara * 0 oneiric linux kernel bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 15 natty linux kernel bugs (down 1)17:03
ogasawara * 3 maverick linux kernel bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 7 lucid linux kernel bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 0 hardy linux kernel bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara=== Incoming Bugs ===17:03
ogasawara * 172 oneiric bugs (up 22)17:03
ogasawara * 1585 natty bugs (up 19)17:03
ogasawara * 1084 maverick bugs (down 5)17:03
ogasawara * 958 lucid bugs (down 1)17:03
ogasawara * 32 hardy bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara=== Regressions ===17:03
ogasawara==== regression-update bugs ====17:03
ogasawara * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 15 natty bugs (up 1)17:03
ogasawara * 40 maverick bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 75 lucid bugs (down 1)17:03
ogasawara * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara==== regression-release bugs ====17:03
ogasawara * 6 oneiric bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 435 natty bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 238 maverick bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 213 lucid bugs (down 3)17:03
ogasawara * 2 hardy bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara==== regression-proposed bugs ====17:03
ogasawara * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 3 natty bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 0 maverick bugs (no change 0)17:03
ogasawara * 1 lucid bugs (no change 0)17:04
ogasawara * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)17:04
bjf[TOPIC] Milstone Targeted Work Items17:04
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bjf[LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/milestones.html17:04
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10-beta-2.html17:04
ogasawara|| apw       || other-kernel-o-bug-handling         || 2 work items||17:04
ogasawara||           || other-kernel-o-version-and-flavours || 1 work item ||17:04
ogasawara||           || other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review  || 1 work item ||17:04
ogasawara||           || desktop-o-xorg-stakeholders-request || 2 work items||17:04
ogasawara||           || desktop-o-xorg-tools-and-processes  || 3 work items||17:04
ogasawara|| jjohansen || other-kernel-o-config-review        || 1 work item ||17:04
ogasawara|| ogasawara || other-kernel-o-config-review        || 2 work items||17:04
ogasawara||           || other-kernel-o-version-and-flavours || 2 work items||17:04
ogasawara|| ppisati   || other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review  || 1 work item ||17:04
ogasawara|| sarvatt   || desktop-o-xorg-tools-and-processes  || 1 work item ||17:04
ogasawara|| smb       || other-kernel-o-server-requirements  || 1 work item ||17:04
ogasawaraIf your name is in the table above, please review your Beta 2 work items.17:04
bjf[TOPIC] Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara)17:05
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ogasawaraFollowing the Beta-1 release last Thurs, we uploaded the 3.0.0-10.16 Ubuntu kernel on Fri.  I would like to remind everyone that Kernel Freeze is next week Thurs Sept 15.  After that, all patches are subject to our SRU policy in order to be applied.  I'm planning on 2 more uploads prior to kernel freeze, one at the end of this week, and one early next week.17:05
ogasawaraSome important upcoming dates to keep in mind are as follows:17:05
ogasawara * Sept 15 - Kernel Freeze (~1 week)17:05
ogasawara * Sept 22 - Beta 2 (~2 weeks)17:05
ogasawara * Oct 13 - Final Release (~5 weeks)17:05
ogasawaraI'd also like to note that the P-series git repo was recently rebased to v3.1-rc5.  It's available at git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-p.git master-next .17:05
bjf[TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)17:06
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apw=== CVE Metrics ===17:06
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt17:06
apwCurrently open CVEs for each supported branch:17:06
apw|| Package                                  || Open ||17:06
apw||                                          ||      ||17:06
apw|| linux Hardy                              ||    9 ||17:06
apw|| linux Lucid                              ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux Maverick                           ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux Natty                              ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux Oneiric                            ||    5 ||17:06
apw|| linux-ec2 Lucid                          ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid                    ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux-mvl-dove Lucid                     ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux-mvl-dove Maverick                  ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux-ti-omap4 Maverick                  ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux-ti-omap4 Natty                     ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric                   ||    5 ||17:06
apw|| linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid        ||    6 ||17:06
apw|| linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid           ||    6 ||17:06
bjf[TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (herton)17:06
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hertonStatus: Stable Kernel Team17:07
hertonLucid and Maverick were respun last week, with two unverified fixes17:07
hertonreverted. They are now in testing phase.17:07
hertonHardy is released and waiting for next update cycle.17:07
hertonNatty was prepared and a new version is on -proposed now. It's waiting17:07
hertonon verification of SRU patches.17:07
hertonIn addition to that, we prepared and uploaded new updates for kernels in17:07
hertontopic branches and backport packages (natty/linux-ti-omap4,17:07
hertonlinux-lts-backport-natty, linux-ec2, linux-fsl-imx51,17:07
hertonlinux-lts-backport-maverick, lucid/linux-mvl-dove,17:07
hertonThis is the general status on master kernels:17:07
herton 17:07
herton 17:07
herton 17:07
herton 17:07
herton* [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/836914|Lucid Tracking Bug]]17:08
herton* Lucid kernel is on testing phase right now: security-sigoff is17:08
herton  complete, QA and certification testing are in progress.17:08
herton 17:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 836914 in Kernel SRU Workflow regression-testing "linux: 2.6.32-34.76 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]17:08
herton 17:08
herton* [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/837449|Maverick Tracking Bug]]17:08
herton* Maverick kernel is on testing phase right now: security-signoff is17:08
herton* complete, QA is waiting to be started, certification testing is in17:08
herton  progress.17:08
herton 17:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 837449 in Kernel SRU Workflow certification-testing "linux: 2.6.35-30.59 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]17:08
herton 17:08
herton* [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/836903|Natty Tracking Bug]]17:08
herton* Natty is on verification phase17:08
herton 17:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 836903 in Kernel SRU Workflow verification-testing "linux: 2.6.38-11.49 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]17:08
hertonCurrent Kernel versions are available here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html17:09
bjf[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)17:09
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bjfthanks everyone17:09
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Sep  6 17:09:25 2011 UTC.17:09
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kamalthanks bjf17:09
ckingnice one17:09
apwbjf thanks17:09
pgranerthanks bjf17:09
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czajkowski3 mins to meeting19:56
czajkowskidrubin: highvoltage popey ogra_ meeting in 2 mins19:57
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Sep  6 19:59:48 2011 UTC.  The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.19:59
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ogra_hey everyone19:59
ogra_do we have quorum ?20:00
* ogra_ counts four board members20:00
drubinand a highvoltage ?20:00
czajkowski4/7 so yeah20:00
* ogra_ hasnt seen a highvoltage in here yet ... 20:01
ogra_great, lets start20:01
czajkowskistgraber: ping20:01
* jono is here to support tonytiger20:01
jonowill keep an eye for when he is up20:01
ogra_first up is andyrock20:02
tonytigerjono: :)20:02
stgraberczajkowski: giving an Ubuntu App Developer Week talk. I should be able to vote if you really need me to20:02
ogra_andyrock, like to introduce yourself ?20:02
andyrockHi All20:02
andyrockMy name is Andrea Azzarone20:02
czajkowskiandyrock: aloha there20:02
andyrockI'm an italian student living in south of Italy20:02
czajkowskiandyrock: impressive wiki page!20:03
ogra_very impressive list of tasks20:03
ogra_and great testimonials20:03
andyrockin the past year I contribute to Unity20:03
popeyandyrock: what made you decide to work on unity?20:03
andyrockfirst as a bitesize hackers and then as an backlog one20:04
andyrockpopey, well there are more reasons20:04
andyrockthe first one: 1) unity is a new project and it's need help20:04
highvoltageI guess many community members would wish andyrock a +1 just for the panel icon resize thingy :)20:04
drubinheeh highvoltage20:05
andyrock2) unity leaks some useful configuration option20:05
andyrocksuch as icon size, device managent (currently i'm working to improve more and more it thank to JohnLea too)20:06
czajkowskiandyrock: are you involved much in the italian loco ? they do some amazing work ?20:06
jonojust my input, strong +1 for andyrock, he brought tremendous value to Ubuntu20:06
andyrockwell i met some italian loco members at uds in Budapest20:06
ogra_any more questions for andyrock ?20:07
andyrockbut I really prefer to write code and you know atm developer team works mainly  on packagess20:07
highvoltagenot from me20:07
popeyi have no further questions20:07
czajkowskiandyrock: ok so, but they are a great team and I'm sure you could help in some way20:07
czajkowskino further questions from me20:08
ogra_czajkowski, dont drag him away from fixing all these awful bugs :P :)20:08
andyrockczajkowski, i know...20:08
czajkowskijust saying locos could benefit :)  we have UGJs :)20:08
ogra_k, lets vote :)20:09
jonoI think andyrock should also focus on the bugs too :-)20:09
jonosuch awesome help20:09
drubinare we using the bot?20:09
ogra_oh, i forgot to set the topic, one sec20:09
ogra_#topic andyrock20:09
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meetingologyPlease vote on:20:09
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)20:09
highvoltage+1 [ great upstream contributions to unity, compiz and bug fixing in Ubuntu, greate testimonials from well-known Ubuntu people ]20:09
popeyawesome work!20:09
highvoltageandyrock: congratulations and welcome!20:09
jonocongrats andyrock!20:09
meetingologyNo vote in progress20:10
czajkowskiandyrock: well done20:10
popeyyou didnt give the vote a name20:10
andyrockThx all :)20:10
popeyso it didnt count them up20:10
ogra_well, in any case, welcome andyrock20:10
popeycongratulations andyrock !20:10
andyrockthx again20:10
Andy80andyrock: congratulations :)20:10
ogra_hey tonytiger20:10
popeyadded to ~ubuntumembers20:11
micahgogra_: possibly since you didn't give the vote a title20:11
tonytigerogra_: hi20:11
ogra_micahg, yep20:11
ogra_#topic tonytiger20:11
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ogra_tonytiger, stage is yours :)20:11
tonytigerogra_: thanks :)20:11
tonytigerHi, I'm Tony and this is my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tonywhitmore20:11
czajkowskitonytiger: floor is yours :)20:11
tonytigerI've just added to it, so if you already had it open, please F5 :)20:11
tonytigerIt seems a long time ago that we were stood in a tiny crowded booth in London, representing the still-relatively new Ubuntu http://gallery.tonywhitmore.co.uk/v/linuxexpo_oct_2006/img_0874.jpg.html20:12
highvoltagetonytiger: nice introduction on your wiki page :)20:12
tonytigerI've been involved in advocacy and general soft promotion for Ubuntu since then20:12
* drubin is impressed20:12
tonytigerAlthough I am not a developer, (comedy bash scripts aside) I contribute in areas where I am skilled: Video, audio, photo.20:12
czajkowskithat;s one scarey photo popey20:12
* ogra_ guesses many of us that were at the UDSes remember you 20:13
tonytigerogra_: I forced people into cupboards to talk into my video camera :)20:13
highvoltagecomedy bash scripts? is that almost like package poetry?20:13
ogra_as the guy snaking around with his camera equipment, secretly kidnapping developers out of meeting rooms :)20:13
jonoI just want to offer my support of tonytiger too20:13
czajkowskitonytiger: you do have a skill at getting people to talk.20:13
tonytigerUntil the AV demands of UDS became too complex for just one man and one camera :)20:13
jonoogra_, lol20:13
tonytigerjono: thanks20:13
jonotonytiger, np20:13
Pendulumalso here supporting tonytiger :)20:14
* MooDoo three20:14
* highvoltage has no questions20:14
ogra_any more questions ?20:14
tonytigerhighvoltage: My most recent comedy bash script http://darcs.tonywhitmore.co.uk/cgi-bin/darcsweb.cgi?r=cartwall;a=summary20:14
popeyogra_: ya20:14
czajkowskiit's safe to say tonytiger has a lot of support here today which is great to see20:14
popeytonytiger: in what way would you like to get more involved in the LoCo ?20:14
popeyanything specific?20:14
tonytigerWell, mostly in-person meet-ups20:15
tonytigerI'm not that near to London, but if the Ubuntu UK Happy Hour comes my way...20:15
popeydrinks are on you, of course, I understand20:15
tonytigerpopey: that depends how the vote goes. ;)20:16
tonytigerBut I'm always up for face-to-face meet ups or events20:16
drubinhey bribery will not be tollerated :)20:16
* drubin is ready to vote20:16
ogra_post bribery is allowed20:16
* ogra_ is the chair today, i allow it :)20:16
ogra_lets vote then :)20:16
* drubin sits on ogra_20:16
ogra_#vote on tonytiger20:17
meetingologyPlease vote on: on tonytiger20:17
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)20:17
highvoltage+1 [ Great community participation, UDS interviews, really good testimonials from well-known Ubuntu community members ]20:17
meetingology+1 [ Great community participation, UDS interviews, really good testimonials from well-known Ubuntu community members ] received from highvoltage20:17
meetingology+1 received from ogra_20:17
meetingology+1 received from suprengr20:17
meetingology+1 received from czajkowski20:17
czajkowskiCAKE FOR ME20:17
drubin+1 [great testimonials]20:17
meetingology+1 [great testimonials] received from drubin20:17
popeyonly loco people vote!20:17
meetingology+1 received from popey20:17
meetingology+1 received from flibblesan20:17
czajkowskiflibblesan: suprengr please stop20:17
meetingologyVoting ended on: on tonytiger20:17
meetingologyVotes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:17
meetingologyMotion carried20:17
highvoltagepopey: loco people?20:17
drubinonly member can vote20:17
popeyloco council20:17
czajkowskipopey: EMEA council20:17
czajkowskiloco is next week20:17
popeyoh duh20:17
* popey puts his wine down20:17
* czajkowski reminds popey where he is 20:17
ogra_nywy, welcome tonytiger20:18
tonytigerogra_: thanks :)20:18
MooDooyay tonytiger20:18
highvoltagetonytiger: congratulations and welcome!20:18
tonytigerAnd to naughty voters I appreciate the effort ;)20:18
popeyheh, what a shambles :D20:18
czajkowskifolks can you please just let the EMEA vote, we do appreciate the support but it just messes the vote up20:18
MooDooi liked how quick the vote went lol20:18
Andy80you should fix the bot and specify at the beginning of the session the list of people who can vote, for example: voters[name1,name2,name3,ecc....]20:18
ogra_oook ... everyone take a sip of coffee20:18
ogra_because ....20:18
czajkowskiAndy80: it's a new bot20:19
ogra_this is the middle of the meeting !20:19
highvoltageMooDoo: a good application makes it easy to do fast :)20:19
czajkowskitakes time to get used to the new commands20:19
ogra_<---- right here :)20:19
popeyadded tonywhitmore to ~ubuntumembers20:19
flibblesanI saw a tweet and assumed it was a public channel with a public vote. Sorry :(20:19
ogra_and Cheri703 is up next :)20:19
popeynp flibblesan20:19
ogra_#topic Cheri70320:19
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Cheri703
Cheri703Hi! I am Cheri, I'm from Ohio20:19
* ogra_ hands the mic to Cheri703 20:19
Cheri703Fair warning, I am mobile and tethered, so I have a bit of lag20:19
czajkowskiok again only highvoltage stgraber popey ogra_ dubin and myself are to vote20:19
Cheri703Pendulum is going to paste my wiki page for me I believe20:20
highvoltageCheri703: what's your biggest goal or wish for the Ubuntu Women project?20:20
Cheri703I am active in my LoCo, a member of our 3 person council, and founder of my area's ReLoCo20:20
Cheri703Well, I am hoping that I can help increase some of the visibility (so many people seem to think we are a separatist group or something) as well as doing LoCo outreach20:21
Cheri703working with LoCos to be more women friendly20:21
Cheri703(well, EVERYONE friendly, but including women)20:21
czajkowskiCheri703: nice to hear20:22
jonogood work Cheri70320:22
popeygreat testimonials20:22
ogra_any more questions ?20:23
Pendulumin case anyone couldn't tell, I'm here in support of Cheri703 :)20:23
highvoltageogra_: I'm good thanks20:23
popeyCheri703: how do you plan to raise awareness of the projects you're working on?20:23
czajkowskiCheri703: how do you think the ubuntu community can do better to encourage more women to take part ?20:23
charlie-tcaI am also in support of Cheri70320:23
* highvoltage is supporting Cheri703 too, met her at UDS and as a newcommer to Ubuntu she wasn't afraid to just jump in and get involved20:23
Cheri703popey: when interacting/discussing projects with people, I try to mention how they can tie into other projects, and how certain aspects of the community or even development can benefit the others20:24
Cheri703(i.e. x can benefit accessibility too! or y is part of what can help with making things more inclusive)20:24
Cheri703that was to popey20:24
popeycross-pollenation ☺20:25
Cheri703czajkowski: I think that a lot of it is cultural20:25
Cheri703there are a lot of things that seem ingrained in "this is how it's always been done"20:25
charlie-tcaCheri703 is very ambitious with a lot of needed enthusiasm and energy20:25
Cheri703and that  it can help to open people up to the idea of slight tweaks that will make it easier/more open to others20:26
czajkowskiCheri703: that is true20:26
czajkowskiI've no more questions20:26
Cheri703it doesn't have to be MASSIVE change, just little adjustments :)20:27
ogra_awesome, so shall we vote ?20:27
* highvoltage thinks it's just natural that there will be "guarded monkeys" in community projects where there is a big flow of people20:27
ogra_any ONLY BOARD MEMBERS VOTE !!!20:27
highvoltage(but it is something that people should be aware of)20:27
ogra_#vote on Cheri70320:27
meetingologyPlease vote on: on Cheri70320:27
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)20:27
czajkowskiogra_: now you know how I feel each month :)20:27
highvoltage+1 [ Great Ubuntu community participation and outreach and excellent feedback from well-known Ubuntu members ]20:27
meetingology+1 [ Great Ubuntu community participation and outreach and excellent feedback from well-known Ubuntu members ] received from highvoltage20:27
meetingology+1 received from ogra_20:27
meetingology+1 received from drubin20:27
czajkowski+1 great wiki and well done20:28
meetingology+1 great wiki and well done received from czajkowski20:28
meetingology+1 received from popey20:28
* czajkowski hands popey a large cup of coffee20:28
macohighvoltage: guarded monkeys?20:28
highvoltageCheri703: congratulations and welcome :)20:28
Pendulumpopey: still not off holiday brain?20:28
charlie-tcaCongratulations, Cheri703. You earned it.20:28
meetingologyVoting ended on: on Cheri70320:28
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:28
meetingologyMotion carried20:28
* nigelb hands popey and unshift key20:28
pleia2congrats Cheri703 :) much deserved20:28
nigelbcongrats Cheri703!20:28
PendulumCheri703: congrats!20:28
ogra_congrats Cheri70320:28
czajkowskiCheri703: wel done and welcome20:29
highvoltagemaco: oops, gorillas, even. See: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/11/guarded-gorilla.html20:29
ogra_now on to the most beautiful designed wikipage today :)20:29
ogra_rafaellaguna, you're next :)20:29
ogra_#topic rafaellaguna20:29
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: rafaellaguna
* popey adds cheri703 to ~ubuntumembers20:29
rafaellagunaogra: he he20:30
ogra_rafaellaguna, mind to introduce yourself ?20:30
rafaellagunaOk. My name's Rafael Laguna, from Spain. I'm a designer and live in Valencia (east coast)20:31
highvoltagerafaellaguna: your wiki page mentions upstream art contributions to LibreOffice, KDEnlive and the Gimp. Do you have examples of your contributions there?20:31
rafaellagunaThose programs were used to explain how Ubuntu works in some schools20:32
popeyrafaellaguna: of the themes you've created for Lubuntu, do any of them ship on the CD?20:32
head_victimpopey: he's created several of the default ones20:33
rafaellagunaThe intention was showing that not everything is pay software, that there're alternatives in price and, more important, with community support20:33
* head_victim is here to cheer20:33
highvoltagerafaellaguna: what do you give schools when they wand a disc? Lubuntu or Edubuntu? :)20:34
rafaellagunapopey: they are all included (until Oneiric, finishing) in the ISOs, as the community voted it20:34
popeyrafaellaguna: excellent work!20:34
rafaellagunahighvoltage: Ubuntu was the choice20:34
ogra_rafaellaguna is the make up artist of lubuntu :)20:34
rafaellagunaAnd I must say they adapted so well to that "serious" interface20:35
rafaellagunaogra_: :)20:35
ogra_any more questions to rafaellaguna ?20:36
highvoltageNot from me.20:36
ogra_nobody else speaks up, so lets vote20:36
ogra_#vote on rafaellaguna20:36
meetingologyPlease vote on: on rafaellaguna20:36
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)20:36
highvoltage+1 [ Great artwork contributionsin Lubuntu, advocacy in schools and great testimonials from Lubuntu contributors ]20:36
meetingology+1 [ Great artwork contributionsin Lubuntu, advocacy in schools and great testimonials from Lubuntu contributors ] received from highvoltage20:36
drubin+1 [Sustained work and good testimonials ]20:37
meetingology+1 [Sustained work and good testimonials ] received from drubin20:37
meetingology+1 received from popey20:37
ogra_+1 driving artwork for a distro alone is nearly a fulltime job20:37
meetingology+1 driving artwork for a distro alone is nearly a fulltime job received from ogra_20:37
ogra_czajkowski, *poke*20:37
meetingology+1 received from czajkowski20:37
czajkowskiblame compiz!!!!20:37
meetingologyVoting ended on: on rafaellaguna20:38
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:38
meetingologyMotion carried20:38
highvoltagerafaellaguna: congratulations and welcome!20:38
ogra_congrats rafaellaguna !!20:38
highvoltagerafaellaguna: this is the second time you have applied right?20:38
Unit193rafaellaguna: Well done! Glad you made it!20:38
* ogra_ points czajkowski to andyrock 20:38
head_victimrafaellaguna: Well done20:38
rafaellagunahighvoltage: yep, 2nd one :)20:38
rafaellagunaUnit193: thanks20:38
popeyrafaellaguna: added to ~ubuntumembers20:38
highvoltagerafaellaguna: great, glad that you applied again!20:38
rafaellagunathank you all20:39
drubinand yes glad you applied :)20:39
rafaellagunai'm happy :)20:39
ogra_sooo, seems that was it for today ...20:39
drubinwow that is a record!20:39
drubinthanks ogra_ for chairing!20:40
highvoltagethanks everyone20:40
ogra_thanks everyone for attending !20:40
popeynice one ogra_20:40
tonytigerThanks everyone!20:40
ogra_and thanks for cheering everyone20:40
highvoltageand to ogra_ for chairing, I never thought I'd see that :p20:40
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Sep  6 20:40:51 2011 UTC.20:40
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-06-19.59.moin.txt20:40
ogra_et voila :)20:40
highvoltageRIP mootbot.20:41
drubinwow that sumerary is awesome20:41
andyrockmy vote is not prenset :)20:42
andyrockin the Vote section20:42
popeyblame ogra20:42
ogra_yeah, i messed that up, sorry for that20:42
highvoltageandyrock: it's ok, it's recorded anyway20:42
andyrockthx anyway20:43
ogra_popey, thanks for driving LP20:43
jonohey dholbach20:57
jonomeeting in 3m20:57
dholbachpleia2, technoviking, popey, persia: all set?20:58
* pleia2 waves20:59
dholbachjono, did you link to your .pdf already?21:00
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Sep  6 21:00:33 2011 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.21:00
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pleia2[LINK] http://ubuntuone.com/7JTEZG0YScFj9mliRJPcCI21:00
pleia2#link http://ubuntuone.com/7JTEZG0YScFj9mliRJPcCI21:00
pleia2I don't know how this new bot works :)21:00
jonoso do we want to review the findings in the doc?21:01
pleia2sounds good, I read through it earlier21:01
* dholbach too21:01
jonoI summarized the key themes on the last page21:01
pleia2#topic Membership Survey21:01
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Membership Survey
jonoI think these are interesting areas of focus and discussion21:01
pleia2this is the Community Council meeting btw :)21:01
pleia2jono: thanks so much for working on this, it was a very good report21:02
jonothanks pleia221:02
jonoI think it is interesting to see the feedback21:02
jonoI am pleased that generally the feedback was very positive about the membership process21:02
jonohey mako21:02
jonomako, we are looking at the membership survey report21:02
jonothe key resonating piece of confusion seemed to be about expectations about what constitutes membership21:03
jonoI was wondering if we could look at the areas of participation in the survey and provides examples for the most popular areas21:03
pleia2page 5?21:04
jonopleia2, exactly21:04
pleia2jono: and did this go to developer membership board folks too, or just from the regional boards?21:04
jonomaybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership could provide subpages with examples of such contributions21:04
jonopleia2, I blogged it21:04
jonoohj sorry21:05
jonoI see what you mean21:05
dholbachin addition to that I think it might be interesting to review together with RMBs/DMB the cases that didn't seem to fit in and see where we can be clearer or amend expectations21:05
jonopleia2, I asked Jorge to provide a list of all names that have been through the membership process, I think it was mainly regional boards21:05
jonodholbach, agreed21:05
jonoit seems though the expectations issue likely is where is particularly applies to DMB applications21:06
highvoltagejono: I read it this morning, it was nice to see the possitive feedback!21:06
jonoe.g. upstream contributions21:06
jonohighvoltage, :-)21:06
jonomaybe we could ask the various membership boards to flesh out examples of what is considered good work in each of those areas21:06
jonoe.g. locos, translations, docs, packaging, upstream contributions etc21:06
pleia2I also noticed that some people felt technical things weren't valued as highly as community, and I think that is because in some cases people went to the wrong board (regional when they're doing packaging work, for instance)21:06
pleia2and there was general confusion about which board to go to21:06
jonopleia2, right21:07
* micahg wonders why people aren't warned about this before the meeting in question21:07
jonomicahg, warned about what?21:07
micahgapplying for the wrong board21:07
dholbachI think I recall a similar discussion some months ago - if I remember correctly the outcome was something like "all membership boards should be able to make a good decision or ask other people for advice"21:08
jonoahhh I see21:08
pleia2micahg: it's very common for wiki pages to be incomplete so the board depends upon the meeting conversation to get more details about where their involvement is, short answer: we don't know before the meeting21:08
micahgpleia2: ah, ok21:08
highvoltageindeed, RMB can do technical applicants as well. packaging-only contributors are a bit special though and it would probably be more fair to them to apply via the DMB.21:09
dholbachwhat we should stress in the documentation in any case is to explain the relevance of your work for Ubuntu21:09
jonoso would you folks be happy to participate in us listing common areas of work (e.g. locos, docs, translations) and for each area list examples of what is considered good work21:09
jonoI think this could help better communicate what is considered good work21:09
pleia2sounds good, should probably put these examples on a separate wiki page though, /Membership is getting a bit long :)21:10
pleia2(it's also worth noting that we've improved /Membership *a lot* in the past two years to address some of the concerns raised in the survey)21:11
dholbachthat would help in many cases, I guess - I'm wondering how prone this approach would be to leaving out other kinds of activity21:11
* micahg would also suggest making it clear these are examples and not checklists21:11
pleia2micahg: agreed21:11
highvoltageand the issue of upstream contributions have also been cleared up heavily since the survey21:11
jonook, I will take an action to set up the pages and then mail the RMBs for input21:11
jonomaybe then the CC can review this content?21:11
dholbachsure, I'm happy to help with that21:12
pleia2jono: sounds good21:12
jonohow do I register an action again?21:12
jonoI am so useless with bots21:12
pleia2#action jono to set up the pages and then mail the RMBs for input21:12
meetingologyACTION: jono to set up the pages and then mail the RMBs for input21:12
DarkwingDuckI think if we take the areas that each regional board looks at and lists those, then we wont be leaving anything out... Or, it will limit it.21:12
popeysorry I'm late21:12
dholbachhey popey21:12
jonopopey, fired21:12
makoso, there's one very clear way we can address issues of expectations before meetings21:13
jonomako, oh?21:13
makowhich is to actively encourage members leaving testimonials to give concrete feedback on the completeness of an applicdation21:13
makopresumably, every person who has been through this process has some idea of what is expected21:13
makoand they are all actually looking at the page in question21:14
makowe can change the documentation to suggest that member candidates ask people they ask for testimonials for advice in the process21:14
dholbachgood thinking21:15
jonothat makes sense21:15
makoor to even require that testimonials only be left on applications that members feel are complete enough to have a chance of passing! (although that might be heavy handed)21:15
makothere are a few ways that we can rephrase core parts of the process documents to encourage more feedback from the members who are already involved in the process before even the very incomplete applicdations make it to the meetings21:15
jonoI think this makes great sense21:16
jonopopey, pleia2 thoughts?21:16
makoi've also tended to think of large majority of rejections/come-back-laters as failures in documentation or communication on our part21:16
popeyI have nothing to add21:16
pleia2I think it would be tricky to make this happen, people are busy and writing a testimonial at all takes time without also committing to doing a review of the application21:16
pleia2we can certainly encourage it though21:16
popeyhowever I do think the whole membership thing is opaque to many21:16
pleia2(I offer suggestions on apps pretty frequently)21:17
jonoso maybe we should add it to the docs as a form of encouragement21:17
jonopopey, really?21:17
popeyI announced on G+ that Tony was now a member and one reply was "what did he use before?"21:17
popeybut thats from people outside the community21:17
jonopopey, that is understandable outside of Ubuntu21:17
popeynot understanding what membership means to people in the community21:17
popeyI still think there's room for a 30 second elevator pitch at the top of the membership page as to what membership actually means21:18
ubottuUbuntu Membership means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community.  For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership21:18
jonomako could you add that clarification to the docs to encourage reviewing apps from testimonials21:18
jonopopey, makes sense21:18
popeybut thats a minor point :D21:18
makoi think that the fact that 17% of the people who end up being members either apply with incomplete information or two early is a concrete number we work to reduce21:19
jonopopey,  could you write that and add it to the page21:19
popeyi could try21:19
jonopopey, cool21:19
makoi think we if we improve the relevant documentations, we can cut this is half21:19
popeyaction me!21:19
makojono: sure, i'm happy to help with that :)21:19
jonothanks mako21:19
pleia2#action mako to add clarification to docs to encourage reviewing apps from testimonials21:20
meetingologyACTION: mako to add clarification to docs to encourage reviewing apps from testimonials21:20
jono#action popey add elevator pitch to Membership page summarizing the purpose and function of membership21:20
meetingologyACTION: popey add elevator pitch to Membership page summarizing the purpose and function of membership21:20
pleia2it's also worth noting that the membership boards have a mailing list that people can email to ask us about membership if they have any questions21:20
pleia2I think people don't know about it, or they're shy to ask, or don't know they can ask21:21
jonois that clear to people who apply?21:21
dholbachif that's not in the docs, we should add it, or maybe make it more prominent :)21:21
jonowould you be happy to do that dholbach?21:21
pleia2the bottom of each regional page has "If you have questions or wish to give private testimonials email ubuntu-membership-boards@lists.ubuntu.com (your message may initially be held for moderation)"21:22
jonoensure the list is seen as a prominent for of support?21:22
jonoin the docs21:22
dholbachpleia2, that should be good enough :)21:22
jonooh cool21:22
pleia2but it's not on /Membership and doesn't exactly scream "we can help you out!"21:22
dholbachI'll take care of it21:22
jonothanks dholbach21:22
jono#action dholbach raise awareness of the list as a place for support21:22
meetingologyACTION: dholbach raise awareness of the list as a place for support21:22
jonoso I would like to discuss the meetings feedback21:23
jonothere were two primary areas of concern here - the timliness of getting to applications and quorum21:23
jonomaybe lets look at timeliness first21:23
jonois there a limit on how apps happen in each meeting?21:23
popeynot for EMEA21:24
pleia2EMEA and Americas do fine with quorum, and the CC just added 3 additoinal members to Asia Pacific so hopefully that won't be an issue moving forward (I'm working with APAC on this as I can)21:24
jonopleia2, awesome21:24
popeyI dont see a breakdown on which board has timeliness issues?21:24
pleia2not for Americas either, we don't have a problem getting through our list21:24
jonopopey, it was general feedback21:24
jonono specific board was highlighted21:24
dholbachhow do you feel about having meetings regardless of quorum or not and chasing up additional votes by email afterwards?21:24
jonodholbach, +121:24
pleia2dholbach: yeah, I think we need to take that into consideration21:25
popeyits rarely been an issue for EMEA21:25
jonoI think the idea of folks showing up for approval and meeting doesn't go ahead because of quorum is not good21:25
highvoltagejono: now and again EMEA runs a bit late, which usually steps into CC meeting space, but so far CC has never complained about it and when it has run late it hasn't been by more than 15 minutes or so21:25
popeybut I'd be happy to do that21:25
popeybut the problem with it is it puts people on hold21:25
pleia2the trouble with Asia Pacific is that it's such a huge area (almost half the world!)21:25
pleia2so getting quorum at a specific time is tricky21:25
dholbachpopey, meetings without quorum put them on hold as well :-P21:25
jonopopey, it does, but canceling meetings because of lack of quorum puts an application in limbo21:25
popeyturning up to meetings people have an expectation set that they'll find out immediately21:25
popeyi disagree21:25
jonoat least if we move to mail the application can continue21:26
popeylack of quorum and no meeting are similar state, the person didnt get to have their say21:26
jonopopey, I disagree:21:26
popeybut to have the meeting and then say "you'll have to wait for your answer" is different21:26
jonoif a person shows up and no quorum - there is no meeting and nothing happens21:26
dholbachI personally would welcome a "let's talk about it now and we'll get back to you with a decision" as I had a chance to reply to questions as opposed to being told "come back in two weeks"21:26
pleia2dholbach: +121:26
dholbachbut maybe that's just me21:27
dholbach...and pleia221:27
jonoif we change it where there is no quorum and the present members vote and the remaining votes are offered over email, the applicant can be informed that the app is still being processed21:27
jonodholbach, +121:27
popeywhich was my point, it puts people on hod21:27
pleia2people sometimes bring along their peers on ubuntu projects to cheer for them, it's very discouraging when you bring people along and no meeting happens, at least they could introduce themselves and get their cheers in21:27
LaneyFYI we did that with the last DMB meeting and it was a right pain to chase people to vote21:27
jonopopey, but they are not on hold, it is just continuing as opposed to them showing up to a meeting for it to be  a waste of time21:28
popeyat least via email the people who complete the quourm can see the log of people turning up and cheering I suppose21:28
jonoLaney, interesting21:28
popeywe're splitting hairs21:28
micahgwell, given that pleia2 said some applicants don't have complete applications, it's hard to know in advance what questions need to be asked even if one can't be present, perhaps a requirement that an application must be complete to be processed w/out quorum (as a followup)21:28
Laneywhich is why we moved away from email stuff in the first place21:28
jonook so the other option is that we always strive maintain quoum21:28
stgraberLaney: +1 (and thanks again for handling it ;))21:28
jonoadditional board members could solve that21:29
popeywe dont exactly have people falling out of the sky to be on boards21:29
jonopopey, do you have another idea in which we can secure a quorum?21:29
pleia2asia pacific hasn't had a meeting since we added the new members, and they were the only board really having problems21:29
popeyyes, get people from other boards21:29
pleia2I think we should see how things go with their new members and take it from there21:29
popeyI have suggested this previously, and it does work21:29
LaneyI still think going ahead was the right decision though21:29
jonopopey, which boards?21:29
Laneybetter then leaving people hanging after they've turned up21:30
jonoother membership boards?21:30
jonomakes sense21:30
popeyI have stood in for members of US and Asia boards on more than one occasion21:30
popeybecause I happened to be online and saw in -meeting that there was no quoum21:30
jonopopey, that makes sense21:30
popeyand subsequently (months later) people from those boards rememebr that and ping me directly21:30
popeythis is why we post reminders to the membership boards list21:30
pleia2the CC has pretty much said this was ok21:30
popeyits why we have only one list21:30
popeyso we can say "Hey, emea meeting tomorrow" and when someone says "can't make it, we wont be quorum" we can have an opportunity (albeit at short notice) to get someone to stand in21:31
jonopopey, do you feel all boards are aware that this is what they should do if there is no quorum?21:31
popeyI think they're aware that its possible21:32
popeyi dont think they believe it's policy21:32
popeybecause it isnt really21:32
popeyits members of a board doing a favour for members of another board21:32
pleia2and the CC has said it's ok21:32
popeyinformally, and on best-endeavour basis21:32
jonomaybe we can formalize this as a policy21:32
jonoshould it only apply to RMBs or any governor who is equipped to approve membership21:33
jonoso if there is DMB member for example they could step in21:33
pleia2it really should not be something that's used regularly21:33
jonopleia2, agreed21:33
pleia2if a board regularly has trouble getting quorum we need to address that directly (like we just have with APAC)21:33
jonopleia2, agree21:33
jonoso maybe we should formalize as a policy and communicate to all RMBs that this used if quorum cannot be made, but should be used only when absolutely required21:34
pleia2I think we'll be ok once we get asia pacific back on track, they are the board that really has struggled the most with this21:34
popeybut (for example) I would have no problem asking someone like jussi or laney from irc or dmb to step in if they could.21:34
popeyit's not like we're asking a welder to do brain surgery, I'm pretty sure we're all on roughly the same page when it comes to what's expected of a member?21:34
popeyI don't think it works the other way round21:34
popeyI wouldn't want to stand in on the DMB21:35
jonothis is a one way thing21:35
pleia2yeah, I can't judge irc membership21:35
micahgpopey: +121:35
LaneyI can't techincally add people to ~ubuntumembers though21:35
popeyothers can tho21:35
jonook, popey would you be happy to mail all the RMBs to ensure they are aware of this workflow if quorum is not met?21:35
popeywe're not asking the entire dmb to step in :D21:35
Laneyjust saying that launchpad doesn't think I have this authority21:35
pleia2yeah, presumably the *whole* board wouldn't be MIA for a meeting :)21:35
popeyI hear Fedora have some Ambassadors, we could get them to stand in!21:35
popeyyes jono21:36
jonothanks popey21:36
popeyaction me up21:36
jono #action popey mail RMBs about lack of quorum workflow21:36
jono#action popey mail RMBs about lack of quorum workflow21:36
meetingologyACTION: popey mail RMBs about lack of quorum workflow21:36
head_victimAs one of the new members of AsiaOceania I'd just like to throw a quick comment that I am finding it difficult to find any documentation on policy. I know we're here to decide on membership applications but the details of how we achieve that all seem to be word of mouth and just assumed.21:36
Laneylike, if you want that to be possible then make dmb and irc and whatever a member of the team that makes you an admin of ubuntnumembers21:36
Laneythen the delegation is clear21:36
jonohead_victim, good point21:36
head_victimSorry to interrupt, just wanted to give a newbies view21:37
pleia2head_victim: please do21:37
jonowe don't have a "how to review membership" wiki page, right?21:37
pleia2oh, you said your thing :) thanks21:37
popeynot that I know of21:37
head_victimI asked the mailing list as well and got no response either.21:37
jonoI think such a page could be useful21:37
jonowould someone like to volunteer to put it together?21:38
head_victimVery, especially if us 3 new members all turn up and we're the only ones there.21:38
pleia2head_victim: apologies, I was meaning to reply to that, I have a whole email I send to new americas members21:38
pleia2jono: I have one pretty much written, I'll formalize it21:38
head_victimpleia2: tis ok, I just happened to see this meeting pop up after my night shift so hung around to join in21:38
pleia2#action pleia2 to publish "welcome" document for new board members with policy for approvals21:38
meetingologyACTION: pleia2 to publish "welcome" document for new board members with policy for approvals21:38
jonopleia2, awesome!21:39
head_victimThanks everyone21:39
jonoI think this covers many of the key areas21:39
jonomaybe we should focus on these actions first21:39
jonoand then review in another meeting?21:39
dholbachor at UDS21:39
jonodholbach, good idea21:40
pleia2sounds good21:40
dholbachI'll add it to my TODO list to schedule such a session21:40
pleia2thanks dholbach21:40
Laneywe should make sure this document leaves room for interpretation21:40
jonoare we done?21:41
pleia2highvoltage: still about? was your "Defining what upstream contributions are in terms of membership" agenda item sufficiently discussed this past month? (I didn't want to just remove it without asking)21:41
pleia2I think it was, just need to be sure we don't have loose ends that we need to take care of or document21:41
pleia2aside from what we've already discussed today, of course21:42
highvoltagepleia2: it was, I can't find the link to it though (been looking for it for dholbach)21:42
Laneyhighvoltage: a summary would be nice21:43
geseris this documented somewhere which upstream contribution count for Ubuntu membership?21:43
highvoltageLaney: the outcome was basically that upstream contributions do count if it affect ubuntu significantly (maybe not exact workding, but that's basically it in concept)21:43
highvoltageLaney: I believe the plan is to take more tricky applications on a case-by-case basis until there is more convention to document21:44
pleia2since we're giving examples of work in loco teams and such that counts, I think we should add upstream as a category of contributions that we can give examples of21:44
dholbachthat sounds reasonable to me ... if the relevance is clearly enough described in the application (I was not part of that last meeting)21:45
highvoltagehttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713 gives some more background on sabdfl's view on it, which I think is reasonable21:45
pleia2ok, I tihnk we can wrap up then :)21:46
pleia2thanks highvoltage21:46
jonothanks everyone!21:46
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Sep  6 21:46:40 2011 UTC.21:46
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makothanks everyone!21:46
dholbachthanks everyone21:47
dholbachwith that I'm off to bed :)21:47
* popey hugs dholbach 21:47
gesern8 dholbach21:47
* dholbach hugs you all back21:48
highvoltagegoodnight everyone21:48
Laneypfft, midnight21:48
highvoltage<greeting that is appropriate to your timezone />21:48
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ScottKhighvoltage: Is the result of the upstream contributions count discussion documented anywhere?23:07
ScottKI thought today's meeting (which I couldn't make) was the one where it was going to get discussed (oddly enough since it was on the agenda).23:07

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