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hornbeckfroud: you around?06:25
enricohello hornbeck!06:29
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froudgood morn06:30
froudafrican grettings06:30
hornbeckI am only here a sec06:31
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hornbeckfroud now has access06:34
hornbeckI am going to leave now :-)06:34
froudhornbeck, thanks06:35
hornbeckemail me if anything goes wrong, I made a backup right before giving access to him :-)06:35
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froudhe he :-)06:35
froudyou can use hot-backup.py06:35
hornbeckyeah, I know06:36
froudThanks for all your help06:36
froudI just woke yp 06:36
froudup06:36
froud07:30 here in Johannesbrg06:36
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froudhornbeck, you still alive :-)06:59
frouddo you have a https interface for commit access06:59
froudI am getting an authentication error while trying to setup for svn07:05
froudsvn: Commit failed (details follow):07:05
froud<froud> svn: MKACTIVITY of /faq/!svn/act/1b5d1b7c-46ec-0310-9a18-d0e28e8fc7c3: authorization failed (http://69.155.172.150)07:05
froudcan anyone help here07:06
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froudenrico07:18
froudbut Im not ther eyet07:19
enricouhm... authentication error...07:19
froudHmmm07:19
enricotried checking out http://yourusername@69.155.172.150 ?07:19
enricoehm,  http://yourusername@69.155.172.150/faq ?07:19
froudno i did svn co http:..... --username ... --password ...07:20
enricothen, when you do commit, you should be prompted for your password once and that's it07:20
enricoAh, allright.  That should be it, then07:20
froudOk will fgive it a try07:20
froudIt did not prompt me just did co07:22
enricoIt doesn't prompt at the checkout07:22
enricoonly at commit07:22
froudso each time I do commit I need to pass the password ?07:22
hornbeckno the password will keep after your first commit07:23
hornbeckor it shouldl07:23
hornbeckshould07:23
froudok so same as stcin stdout sv://07:23
froudstdin07:23
froudsvn://07:23
hornbeckthere is no svn://07:23
hornbeckhttp://07:23
hornbeckjust http://07:24
froudyes what I mean is it is the same as when using stdin/stdout on a svn:// protocol07:24
hornbeckthe only difference now is you can svn commit <file>07:24
hornbeckyes07:24
froudShould we not use https://07:24
hornbeckthis is temporary right now07:24
froudOK07:24
hornbecknever meant to be a long term thing07:25
hornbeckI made it so we would have something07:25
hornbeckI am off to bed07:25
hornbeckemail problems to me, I will be back in about 6.5 hours07:25
froudHe he no I have stuff to do07:25
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enricoenrico is wide awake (14:27 here :)07:26
enricoHowever, I'm about to go out (they're waiting for me downstairs)07:27
froudok chow07:27
enricosee you all later!07:28
froudproblem solved07:29
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abellienrico..11:26
abelliciao11:26
enricoCiao!11:28
ChrisHfroud: Could you perhaps edit the wiki/DocBook page I started and give some more guidelines on how we will work? Like entities, xmllint, suggested editor applications etc? Would help.12:00
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froudChrisH, where exactly in wikipedia is this page? URL12:18
abellisivang: ping12:19
ChrisHfroud: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBook and http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBookReference12:21
ChrisHfroud: That is as much as I know about DocBook <excuse>which was enough to get started</excuse> :)12:22
froudOK thanks I will take a look and make changes12:28
sivangabelli: pong12:44
froudChrisH, see this article http://www.sastc.org.za/articles/xml-solv-prop.html12:48
sivangChrisH: heheheh12:49
sivang:)12:49
froudI have published it under creative commons12:49
sivangfroud: Shalom Yedidi!12:49
froudsivang, shalom12:49
sivangehhh, creative commons, what a wonderful license..12:49
froudsivang, you need to do svn up12:49
froudactually everyone using svn needs to do svn up, except ChrisH 12:50
sivangfroud: any new stuff for me there?12:50
sivang:)12:50
froudThe makefile is not ready, I am busy with it12:50
froudwhen last did you do svn up ?12:50
sivanganybody seen enrico?12:51
ChrisHfroud: very general... but nice for starters12:51
froudsivang, just do it12:51
sivangNike (tm) ?12:51
sivang:)12:51
froudChrisH, yes, but gets th epoint of  why use xml12:51
ChrisHfroud: Right...12:51
ChrisHfroud: How the heck do you have five penguins in ZA? :)12:51
froudFive linux boxes :-)12:52
ChrisHOh... okay.12:52
ChrisHPengiuns would have been funkier though.12:52
sivangfroud: done, now what?12:52
froudeach a different breed of penguin12:52
froudyelp userguide.xml12:53
froudand the others to see they work12:53
froudfor you12:53
froudsivang, userguide is now at docbook 4.3 as a test12:54
sivang4.3, meaning new standards new featrues?12:54
froudsivang, only problem is with the 4.3 task element, we dont use it yet, but I intend to so Shaun (GNOME) will add this to Yelp12:55
froudThe other docs are using docbook 4.1.212:55
froudstill12:55
sivangfroud: ok, you have to do some explenation for the technically challanged amongs us..:)12:56
froudNotice how the ubuntu icon is now displayed12:56
froudsivang, look at the srcs see how it works12:56
sivangfroud: what is task element?12:56
froudyou will notice stuff like &publisher;12:57
froudtask element is a new element that was introduced in docbook 4.312:57
froudquestion time12:57
sivangbtw, the logo doesn't display at all over my setup.12:58
froudOn the contents page ?12:58
sivangyes12:58
froudHmm hangon12:58
sivangChrisH: torf is down or something?12:59
ChrisHsivang: should not be... what are you missing?01:00
froudsivang, svn up01:02
froudin root of trunk01:02
sivanglemme try again01:02
froudhe is right01:05
froudsivang, cd quickguide01:05
froudyelp quickguide.xml01:05
sivangeh, I did it for the userguide, you should love it also a bit :)01:05
sivangthe logo display there is b0rked.01:06
froudyes something I need to find out why01:06
froudBut I will be moving userguide.xml to parts01:06
froudthen rename parts to userguide01:06
frouddo you see it in the quick guide01:07
sivangI don't get it, are you merging the usersguide with the quickguide?01:07
sivangdidn't we agree that this is not what was decided?>01:07
froudno01:07
froudnot allowed to remember01:08
sivang:)01:08
froudI said I will mv userguide.xml to parts01:08
ChrisHsivang: Every project (users guide, quick guide, whatever else) is getting an own directory. Nothing less.01:08
froudthen mv parts to usersguide01:08
ChrisHsivang: So although the repository is still called "faq" it contains all the projects.01:08
froudYes, this is a small things01:09
sivangChrisH: ah ok :) so we get more oder01:09
ChrisHIt will still be a week until no one else but froud understands the structure. ;)01:09
froudI want to rename fq2 to faq01:09
sivangnot odor :) order..01:09
froudyes01:09
froudDoes the quickguide load the image for your?01:10
sivangwell, froud should write up a guide for the new doc proj structure.01:10
sivangfroud: yes01:10
froudOK my mistake01:10
ChrisHsivang: Yes, asked him already to polish my DocBook[Reference]  Wiki pages.01:10
froudquickguide is using docbook 4.301:10
ChrisHsivang: He makes me look stupid. :)01:10
sivangfroud: toss in a "new documentation structure guide" for free ? 01:10
sivangChrisH: what do you think this makes me look like? more stupid then you...01:11
froudsivang, not many changes from the usual01:11
froudwe just have a greater degree of indirection01:11
ChrisHsivang: Then you are extra stupid.01:11
froudsivang, cd to trunk/01:11
ChrisHsivang: We will meet at the next SUDWC...01:12
froudless global.ent01:12
ChrisHsivang: (Stupid Ubuntu Doc Writers Conference)01:12
sivangChrisH: I find it growing as the days go by, X,XX,XXX,XXXX,XXXX,..... :)01:12
sivangfroud: THERE01:12
sivangsorry for the caps01:12
froudok you see entities01:12
frouda few of them01:12
froudyep?01:13
sivangfroud: what do you define as entities?01:13
froud<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>01:13
froud<!-- VERSION FILES -->01:13
froud<!ENTITY userguide-rev SYSTEM 'VERSION'>01:13
froud<!ENTITY quickguide-rev SYSTEM 'quickguide/VERSION'>01:13
froud<!ENTITY faqguide-rev SYSTEM 'fq2/VERSION'>01:13
froud<!-- COMMON DOC OBJECTS -->01:13
sivangChrisH: very ery stupid ubuntu doc project starter..01:13
froud<!ENTITY publisher SYSTEM 'common/publisher.xml'>01:13
froud<!ENTITY legalnotice-feedback SYSTEM 'common/legalnotice-feedback.xml'>01:13
froud<!ENTITY inline-ubuntu-icon SYSTEM 'common/inlinemediaobject-ubuntu-icon.xml'>01:13
froud<!ENTITY ubuntu-icon SYSTEM 'common/mediaobject-ubuntu-icon.xml'>01:13
froudright01:13
sivangfroud: but this is a _directory_ , what you pasted are contents from files...01:13
froudyes are you in trunk/01:14
sivangfroud: yes I am.01:14
froudok do       less global.ent01:14
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   3 pooh pooh  142 2004-12-28 13:51 common01:14
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   3 pooh pooh  140 2004-12-28 14:01 debian01:14
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   4 pooh pooh   57 2004-12-28 13:51 fq201:14
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 pooh pooh 1298 2004-12-28 13:51 global.ent01:14
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   3 pooh pooh   38 2004-12-28 13:51 images01:14
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   3 pooh pooh   17 2004-12-28 13:51 libs01:14
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 pooh pooh  564 2004-12-27 13:31 Makefile01:14
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  11 pooh pooh  141 2004-12-27 13:31 parts01:14
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   4 pooh pooh   64 2004-12-28 13:51 quickguide01:14
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 pooh pooh 2258 2004-12-27 13:31 README01:14
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   7 pooh pooh  153 2004-12-28 14:05 .svn01:14
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 pooh pooh  779 2004-12-27 13:31 ubuntu.xsl01:14
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 pooh pooh 4543 2004-12-28 13:51 usersguide.xml01:14
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 pooh pooh   10 2004-12-28 13:51 VERSION01:14
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 pooh pooh  998 2004-12-27 13:31 xinclude.mod01:14
sivangI do recognize on ething, my "debian" folder :)01:15
froudyo dude what ar eyou doing01:15
froudin bash do less global.ent01:15
sivangok, sec.01:15
sivangok, I have the file infront of me.01:15
froudOK those or entities01:16
froudtake the first one01:16
froud<!ENTITY userguide-rev SYSTEM 'VERSION'>01:16
sivangOk, I know this, I know XML :) just didn't understadn what you defined as entities at first place,01:16
froudif you insert &userguide-rev; in your doc it will be included01:16
sivangbecause one might have different definitions to it.01:16
sivangyes I know.01:16
sivangok, so that simplifies and stream lines alot. good01:17
froudOK see the new doctype decl01:17
sivangbtw, why do you need a shoutcast entiy?01:17
froudit was use din the docs01:17
sivangeh ok..01:17
froudsee the DocType Decl in userguide.xml01:17
froud<!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN" 01:17
froud"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" [01:17
froud<!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "xinclude.mod">01:17
froud%xinclude;01:17
froud<!ENTITY % globalent SYSTEM "global.ent">01:17
sivangdoctype decl is in the global ?01:17
froud%globalent;01:17
froud] >01:17
froudsee above01:17
sivangok, some of this I recognize,01:18
froudglobal.ent is defined in all files in this manner withinn the internal subset01:18
froudnow you see xinclude.mod01:18
froudthis is also defined in all files01:18
sivangyes, that what I dind't understand01:18
sivangyou mean, included in all files.01:18
sivang?01:18
froudOK xinlcude.mod adds the xi namespace to the docbook dtd01:19
sivangbecause you defined it once on the global.ent01:19
froudyes01:19
sivangok01:19
sivangxinclude.mod is docboook std?01:19
froudany entity defined in global.ent is available to all documents01:19
sivangso when I need an entity I do01:19
sivangSYSTEM.<object> ?01:19
froudNo 01:20
froudyou do &entity-name;01:20
froudfor example01:21
froud<!ENTITY ubuntu-bugzilla 'http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/' >01:21
froudbugzilla is referenced in mutiple books01:21
froudthe location may chnage oneday01:21
froudchange01:21
froudb'cause all docs call &ubuntu-bugzilla;01:21
froudwe can change the value for this in one place01:22
froudglobal.ent01:22
froudand all docs are updated01:22
froudthis is how I used it01:22
froud<abstract>01:22
froud            <para>This document aims at answering questions that are asked frequently. It contains01:22
froud                Wiki entries from the <ulink url="&ubuntu-web;">ubuntulinux.org</ulink> web01:22
froud                site, the mailing lists and all the contributions we received through the Ubuntu Bugzilla.</para>01:22
froud        </abstract>01:22
sivangcool, I understand that this is what we achive by that, I am just a bit intrigued by the syntax iself, that is01:22
sivangI want to know why this defines it that way.01:23
froudsee the above01:23
froud <ulink url="&ubuntu-web;">ubuntulinux.org</ulink>01:23
sivangthis is the usage, not the definition.01:23
froudthis usage is calling &ubuntu-web;01:23
froudwhich equals01:23
sivangright01:23
sivangyes?01:23
froud<!ENTITY ubuntu-web 'http://www.ubuntulinux.org/' >01:23
froudif this value changes we just change it in global.ent01:24
froudas the doc system grows01:24
froudand things around us change01:24
froudwe want a short way to update things01:24
froudthis level of indirection shields us from these changes01:24
sivangyes! but:01:25
froudbut01:25
sivang13:17 < froud> <!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "xinclude.mod">01:25
sivangxinclude.mod = file shipped with the docbook distro?01:25
froudOK that is for xinclude01:25
froudyes01:25
sivangwhich is the code for incorporating namespaces into another?01:26
froudhowever, we will ship iiiiiiit also01:26
froudyes01:26
froudit add xi to several elements01:26
sivangok, what is xi? X(ml) (I)nclude infrastrucutre?01:26
froudIt also provide the xi:fallback01:26
froudyes01:26
sivangI see, ok now -01:26
froudso if a path to a file is wrong we will see the words FIX ME01:27
sivangbasically what you did is 01:27
sivangdefine a new entity SYSTEM?01:27
froudIt's not new its standard but I applied it to ubuntu docs01:27
froudwe have a combination of Xinclude and entities01:28
ChrisHfroud: Entities are nice... but the new layout is much uglier than before if you work with the sources. :)01:28
sivangcould you please just explain the way you defined it again?01:28
sivangnot the usage, the definition.01:28
sivang:)01:28
froudwhat xi or entities01:29
sivangxi01:29
sivangor how you decalred it on the global file01:29
froudOK to use XInlcude you need to extend the Docbook DTD01:29
froudxinclude.mod is that extension01:29
froudto make it known to the parser I define it in the external subset of the DocType Decl01:30
froudThat is this part01:30
froud<!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN" 01:30
froud"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" [01:30
froud<!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "xinclude.mod">01:30
froud%xinclude;01:30
froud<!ENTITY % globalent SYSTEM "global.ent">01:30
froud%globalent;01:30
froud] >01:30
froud<!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "xinclude.mod">01:30
froud<froud> %xinclude;01:30
froudnow when I validate the parser sees the xi namespace as valid for the dtd01:31
frouddoes that help01:31
sivangis this like saying: define xinclude of type SYSTEM , implementation is in xinclude.mod ?01:31
sivangthe same for globalent?01:32
froudyes except I put them in a seperate file external to the document01:32
froudwhy?01:32
sivanglike extern in C ? :)01:32
froudok01:32
sivangok = yes?01:32
froudso I can create a new instance of the object in each file01:33
froudChrisH, looks dont count01:33
froud:-)01:33
sivangok, what does the SYSTEM type means from the parser view?01:33
froudno01:33
froudWhen an ENTITY defines with SYSTEM it means look in the system the entity vlaue is external to the file01:34
froudexample01:34
froud<!ENTITY quickguide-rev SYSTEM 'quickguide/VERSION'>01:34
sivangfroud: be back in 30 ...gotta get some food, will read the backlog01:35
froudThe value for quickguide-rev can be found in the file quickguide/VERSION01:35
froudok back in 5 mins01:35
froudback01:36
froudChrisH, r you following this stuff?01:36
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ChrisHfroud: A little... doing multiple things at the same time currently. :)01:38
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froudChrisH, I will document this in the wiki and give people links to things. Once this is done I will send mail about it to the list.02:19
ChrisHfroud: Good boy! :)02:20
ChrisHfroud: You are really teaching us a lot of good things. As I said... DocBook documentation is very rare on the internet. So having someone who really understands it is very helpful. Good to have you here.02:21
froudChrisH, sivang, others can do svn up04:13
froudfq2 is now known as faqguide04:14
froudparts is known as userguide04:14
frouduserguide.xml has moved to userguide/04:14
hornbeckthanks froud04:14
froudno wories04:15
froudworries04:15
hornbeck15 revisions since about two hours ago?04:15
froudhe he04:15
frouddirectory control is not easy04:15
froud:-)04:15
hornbeckguess not04:15
froudmany small changes to be sure04:16
hornbeckright04:16
froudrather than one big change and no way back04:16
hornbeckI guess I can start on the userguide again04:16
froudyes04:16
ChrisHfroud: I hope the revision number is 32 bits :)04:16
frouddo you need explanation of how things hang together04:16
hornbeckwrite a email about it04:16
froudgoing to put it in wiki and will mail link04:17
hornbeckgood deal04:17
hornbeckI am off to work again04:17
froudhornbeck, do yelp quickguide.xml04:17
froudyou should know that it is now at docbook 4.3 as a test04:17
froudhornbeck, shaun from GDP will add task element to yelp so we can use it. Bugzilla is posted to GNOME and Shaun has accepted04:21
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froudanybody who needs to work on userguide please do svn up a few small pieces I forgot to move are now moved. sorry for the inconvenience04:28
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froudFYI current HEAD is at r12804:29
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froudsorry04:30
froudr14804:30
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hornbeckfroud: pictures are broke in quickguide04:37
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ChrisHfroud: Could you consider turning off that auto-away?04:39
froudhornbeck, replace then with &inline-ubuntu-icon;04:39
froudso04:40
froud<mediaobject>04:40
froud        <imageobject>04:40
froud            <imagedata fileref="../../../IconUbuntu.png" format="PNG" align="right"/>04:40
froud        </imageobject>04:40
froud    </mediaobject>04:40
froudbecomes04:40
froud &inline-ubuntu-icon;04:40
froudThe value of  &inline-ubuntu-icon; is found in the file 04:41
froudcommon/inlinemediaobject-ubuntu-icon.xml04:41
froudas defined by entity04:41
froud<!ENTITY inline-ubuntu-icon SYSTEM 'common/inlinemediaobject-ubuntu-icon.xml'>04:41
froudin04:41
froudglobal.ent04:42
froudI have not yet ported all these issues04:43
froudhornbeck, you want it or shall I?04:45
froudChrisH, done :-)04:46
ChrisHfroud: Thanks. :)04:46
frouddo we want to use nav graphics in the chunked output?04:51
ChrisHI vote for con. It does not help the user a lot.04:51
froudthis only applies to HTML output04:51
froudnot Yelp04:51
ChrisHStill con. :)04:52
froudOK nop prob04:52
ChrisHJust my vote. There are others left.04:52
froudnot a problem I wil just commnet it from the custom layer04:53
froudDocbook has a special css, anyone here good with css (hint ChrisH )04:53
ChrisHfroud: Yes, I am. :)04:53
froudyou want to enhance it for ubuntu style etc04:54
ChrisHfroud: k04:54
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ChrisHfroud: We started with the style sheet from plone. But it looked ugly. I'll fix it.04:54
froudChrisH, do svn up04:55
froudcd libs/04:55
froudyou will find the docbook css04:55
froudcan I open a bugzilla for this?04:55
ChrisHfroud: sure04:56
froudwhat's your email04:56
ChrisHfroud: I'm home in 2 hours. I'll check it carefully then.04:56
ChrisHfroud: email@christoph-haas.de04:56
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froudok04:56
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ChrisHfroud: mucho appetito04:57
froudChrisH, see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505104:59
sivangChrisH: what's up?05:06
sivangI had to take my workrave..now back05:06
froudguys do we want admon graphics05:09
ChrisHsivang: We are turning everything upside down again. The documentation is now in Microsoft Word 2004 format.05:09
froudouch05:09
ChrisHfroud: Perhaps. I'm using just text admons for my tutorials. That worked fine enough. Too many graphics quickly overload a page.05:09
ChrisHfroud: Unless you have some very funny comic cliparts though. :)05:09
sivangok, should I submit my resignation letter to you then? or to froud?05:09
ChrisHsivang: froud is the new boss. We fired Mark and Enrico.05:10
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sivangok, then, I am off to start a new distro05:10
sivangciao!05:10
froudok admons off until later, i will need to go get the icons from GNOME05:10
ChrisHsivang: Sivux?05:10
froudl'hit05:10
sivangChrisH: hmm, that's a very good name! I hope you don't mind I use it and give you no credit?05:11
sivang:)05:11
ChrisHfroud: And when all that tidying up is done we seriously need to get some words into the files. :)05:11
ChrisHsivang: Too late, already registered that as a trademark.05:11
froudyou noticed05:11
sivanggaaah!!05:11
sivangThen, we meet at court :)05:11
ChrisHsivang: But it's no problem. I already sold the name to 50% Microsoft and 50% SCO.05:11
ChrisHsivang: They asked for your credit card number. ;)05:12
sivangChrisH: so why my balance is -2000EU in debit?05:12
sivang:)05:12
=== sivang svn updates
hornbeckman revision 14905:13
ChrisHsivang: It has become really hard to shock you. Like my credibility has decreased. :)05:13
sivangChrisH: hehehe05:14
sivangwell, I just got used to your humor and find it great fun flowing with it :)05:14
sivangChrisH: we should meet in person again soon, less busy more laughs would come I am sure :)05:14
froudguys when building docs is it ok for you if I do it in trunk05:15
ChrisHsivang: Oh, yeah. Just wait until we have our house. I'll reserve a terminal room with a pizza oven for you. :)05:15
ChrisHfroud: you mean where the Makefile will be located?05:15
sivangChrisH: hahaha! THANK YOU05:16
froudmakefile is in trunk/05:16
froudwhere do you want the results05:16
froudof make all05:16
sivanganyway, back to bussiness.05:16
ChrisHfroud: I'd say still in the trunk05:16
sivangfaqguide is the korean faa ?05:16
sivangfaq?05:16
froudOk that's good05:16
sivangfroud: trunk is the current develpometn bracnh?05:16
froudyes but builds dont get checked in05:17
sivangwhen do we clean all the other folders? do we still need them if everything is tidy up in trunk?05:17
ChrisHwhat else is there?05:17
froudthere is a clean target05:17
=== sivang is confused.
sivangagain05:17
froudlook at makefile iiits not complete05:17
froudbut it has the startings05:17
froudsivang, is always confused but we still love sivang 05:18
sivangwell, yeah I tend to get confused , because I love to stay on control! MUHAAHAHA :)05:18
=== froud is off to movies tonight. yes froud does have alife
sivangChrisH: is faqguide is the korean guy faq?05:19
ChrisHsivang: gq05:20
ChrisHsivang: Smells more like the current FAQ page from the /support section05:20
ChrisHsivang: plovs has introduced it in r8405:21
sivangChrisH: nobody knows what is it?05:21
ChrisHsivang: your debian/ directory should also move...05:21
sivangsurely with the new funky rocking organization somebody should know where it came from..05:21
sivangChrisH: hey! nobody touches myd ebian dir! debina rules!05:21
froudkeep the deb dir it has important stuff05:22
ChrisHfroud: shouldn't the xinclude.mod be put into common/ ?05:22
froudwell for some05:22
froudno it will move to libs/ later05:22
ChrisHsivang: Just move it into where you need it. It probably does not build a package of *all* documents, does it?05:22
froudas will global.ent05:22
sivangChrisH: actually it calls the make file..05:22
sivangChrisH: and builds html at the moment.05:23
froudNOTE TO ENRICO: *PLEASE DO NOT COMMIT ANY PRESENTATIONAL FORMATS TO SVN. THANKS*05:23
ChrisHsivang: Uh huh? Very weird... shouldn't it create a package?05:23
ChrisHOuch... my ears...05:23
froudso he will add it to the new05:24
froudsivang, what are you on about qg and Korean05:24
sivangfroud: There is a faq looking guide in www.ubuntuguide.org, which is done by some korean guy - the faqguide looks much the same, so I wanted to know if this is the one just imported to docbook, because I know plovs has been doing some work on it.05:25
froudis it in korean05:26
froudThe docs in svn HEAD now are what was in SVN when I started05:27
froudI have no idea if that is from plovs since there are no bugzillas05:27
froud:-(05:27
sivangok then it's not - no worries05:27
sivangI've got everything in control :)_05:27
froud:-)05:27
sivangprobabyl nobody started to import it05:28
=== ChrisH is off until l8r
sivangChrisH: c'ya05:28
froudbye05:28
sivangfroud: have glanced at the guide?05:30
sivangit's in english05:30
froudyes I know I was worried for a moment05:31
sivanghe basically compiled all of the good stuff that was available from the wiki + main website and organized it in a nice format.05:32
sivang(Accessible too)05:32
sivangso I recall talks from mataro about maybe importing into our docbook system05:32
froudsounds like a good idea05:33
froudI cant focus on this until I get a stable base for everyone05:33
froudat present people can add content though, the docs are read05:33
sivangyes ofcourse, I was just informing you.05:33
froudready05:33
froudI am now working on our build system05:34
froudok thanks05:35
froudwho feels daring :-)06:30
froudI need a person to test the make file. It works on my system. Who agrees to be a tester06:31
=== froud is deafend by the silence
sivangfroud: I will 07:20
=== sivang does svn up
sivangr15807:21
sivangfroud: what to do?07:21
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ChrisHOkay... let's see what froud has broken today. :)08:09
abellii think it's the right place... documentation.. culture..08:17
abelliwhat does fogo na bomba means?08:17
abellibtw, hi chrish... im the  new [after some days in casablanca]  cenerentola08:17
ChrisHabelli: Figured that already, Andrea. :)08:18
abellihow is your lady?08:18
ChrisHOh, she's okay. Baby is in bed. Currently making some food.08:18
abelligood.. any clue about "fogo na bomba"?08:19
ChrisHNot really. Read it from a brazilian IIRC... no idea what it means.08:20
ChrisHFog after bombardment?08:20
abellihehehe... 08:20
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sid77hi10:30
froudmidnight in co za11:10
froudanyone tuned11:10
froudsivang, you have xsltproc installed, I   hope11:11
froudsivang, in trunk/11:11
frouddo make all11:11
froudthis should create build/ with HTML versions of all books.11:12
sivangfroud: here. pong11:12
froudhey dude11:12
froudits midnight you still awake11:13
froudsivang, try build the docs11:15
sivangfroud: let's try, run make from the trink dir?11:15
froudyes11:15
froudtry with one target first11:15
frouddo make ug11:16
froudthis will build user guide11:16
froudYou will get some errors related to xml base ignore them11:16
froudand then you will see it writing the html11:16
froudwhen its finished look in trunk/build/userguide/11:17
froudopen index.html11:17
sivangpooh@tigershark ~/devel/docteam/faq/faq/trunk $ make ug11:17
sivangBuilding the Ubuntu User Guide . . .11:17
sivangmkdir -p build/userguide/11:17
sivangxsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir build/userguide/ libs/html-cust.xsl userguide/usersguide.xml11:17
sivangwarning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl"11:18
sivangcompilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import11:18
sivangxsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl11:18
sivangmake: *** [ug]  Error 511:18
froudOk this is because you are running a system that does not have 11:18
froud/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl11:18
sivanghow can I make my system have this?11:19
froudhmmm upgrade11:19
froudor put a folder (link)11:19
froudin this path11:19
froudyou need to create the following path /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/11:20
froudyoull need su11:20
froudthe last folder current is a link to the root of your docbook xsl11:21
froudsivang, what is the path to your docbook xsl11:22
sivangfroud: how to check that?11:22
froudok I'mguessing here11:23
froudbut look in /usr/share/sgml/11:24
sivangfroud: sec11:25
sivangok, it is11:25
sivangwhat to look for there?11:25
froudfinish the path for me11:25
sivangI can do ls on it11:28
sivangeh soryr11:28
sivang/usr/share/sgml/docbook11:28
froudis that the dtd or xsl11:28
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sivanghave no idea.11:29
sivangpooh@tigershark /usr/share/sgml/docbook $ ls -la11:29
sivangtotal 111:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   6 root root  152 2004-11-18 23:51 .11:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  13 root root  328 2004-11-14 14:55 ..11:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   3 root root   80 2004-10-21 00:46 custom11:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  10 root root  264 2004-10-21 00:45 dtd11:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   4 root root   96 2004-11-13 03:52 stylesheet11:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1240 2004-11-19 01:51 yelp11:29
froudcd stylesheet11:29
froudls11:29
sivangpooh@tigershark /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet $ ls -la11:29
sivangtotal 011:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  4 root root  96 2004-11-13 03:52 .11:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  6 root root 152 2004-11-18 23:51 ..11:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  3 root root  72 2004-10-21 00:45 dsssl11:29
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  2 root root  72 2004-11-13 03:52 xsl11:29
froudcd xsl11:29
froudls11:30
sivangpooh@tigershark /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/xsl $ ls -la11:30
sivangtotal 011:30
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  2 root root 72 2004-11-13 03:52 .11:30
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  4 root root 96 2004-11-13 03:52 ..11:30
sivanglrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 41 2004-11-13 03:52 nwalsh -> ../../../../xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh11:30
froudthere she is11:30
sivangyes11:30
sivangthis is probably the standard path for it under an future ubuntu system :)11:30
sivangwhy not setting the make file to include it from there?11:30
froudfor now you can just vi Makefile 11:31
froudno sorry11:31
froudgive me the full path11:31
sivangfroud: maybe you should probe /etc/lsb-release to see what system the make is executed on and according to that set up the include paths11:32
froudyes I still need to investigate this11:32
froudbest is to use catalogs11:32
froudthat way it will work on any system11:32
froudthe current method is hard coded11:32
froudlook in libs/html-cust.xsl11:33
froudcomment out the current import of profile-chunk.xsl11:33
sivangfroud: eh, I'm getting too tired - maybe we can continue this tommorow ?11:33
froudok just giv eme the full path11:33
sivangsec11:34
froudmy debian box has something else11:34
sivang/usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/xsl11:34
froudand11:34
sivang/usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/xsl/nwalsh11:34
froudand11:34
sivangthat;s it11:34
sivangwpps11:35
sivangwoops11:35
froudyou should have more11:35
sivangpooh@tigershark /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/xsl/nwalsh $ ls -la11:35
sivangtotal 1511:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x  17 root root  480 2004-11-13 03:52 .11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   3 root root   72 2004-11-13 03:52 ..11:35
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 root root  938 2004-10-26 18:27 catalog.xml11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1616 2004-11-13 03:52 common11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  104 2004-11-13 03:52 css11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  112 2004-11-13 03:52 eclipse11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  144 2004-11-13 03:52 extensions11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1624 2004-11-13 03:52 fo11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1888 2004-11-13 03:52 html11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  240 2004-11-13 03:52 htmlhelp11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   3 root root  888 2004-11-13 03:52 images11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  152 2004-11-13 03:52 javahelp11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  152 2004-11-13 03:52 lib11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  256 2004-11-13 03:52 manpages11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  216 2004-11-13 03:52 profiling11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  200 2004-11-13 03:52 template11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   4 root root  128 2004-11-13 03:52 tools11:35
sivang-rw-r--r--   1 root root 2992 2004-09-19 08:58 VERSION11:35
sivangdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1784 2004-11-13 03:52 xhtml11:35
froudok that the place I have just done a commit11:36
frouddo svn up11:36
=== sivang svning up
froudthen in trunk/11:37
frouddo make ug11:37
sivanglots of watning11:37
sivangwarnings11:37
froudyes11:37
sivangvalidity warning : Attribute base of element refsect3: already defined11:37
sivang %common.attrib;11:37
sivang                ^11:37
sivangxmlns:xi            CDATA       #FIXED       'http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude'11:37
froudcomplains about xml base11:37
sivang^11:37
sivangvalidity warning : Attribute base of element article: already defined11:37
sivang %common.attrib;11:38
sivang                ^11:38
sivangxmlns:xi            CDATA       #FIXED       'http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude'11:38
sivangdoes it use fop?11:38
froudI need to patch this bug11:38
froudno11:38
froudno fop11:38
froudI just did not hav etime to patch it11:38
sivangok11:38
froudit will write the files soon11:38
froudthen cd build/11:38
froudls11:38
froudShould be finished11:40
sivangstill going..11:40
froudlook for build/userguide/index.html11:40
froudgeeze what processor u using its slow11:40
froud:-)11:40
sivang2.6G HT11:41
sivang512 mem11:41
sivanghave you sent me a trojan horse? :)11:41
froudGet mor emem:-)11:41
froudno11:41
sivanghalf a gig is not enough? :)11:41
froudno 1 g or >11:41
froud:-)11:41
froudteasing11:41
sivangactually, it creates tons of connection to ww.doc-oasis.org11:41
sivangwhy does it do HTTP?11:42
froudyes cause you dont have the docbook 4.3 dtd11:42
froudso xsltproc goes to get the dtd from OASIS11:42
froudBut new version ooof ubuntu will ship docbook 4.311:42
froudand as I understand it also the xsl's in their correct places11:43
froud:-)11:43
froudstill going11:44
sivangyes11:45
froudyou did just build one target right, I meanyou did make ug11:45
sivangas soon as tsf would hire me, I would get some more mem11:45
sivang:)11:45
sivangfroud: yes11:45
sivangfroud: unemployed at the moment...:)11:45
froudwhew I will have to make that patfor catalogs soon11:46
froudpeople will kill me if there builds are so long and slow11:46
sivangyes11:46
sivangespecially if this is triggerd by my deb package, then they will want to kill me and I in return would come to kill you :))11:47
froudbut when I'm finished with it, it will run like a dream11:47
froudits still rough around the edges11:47
froudfirst cut of the code always is11:48
sivangfroud: new versino of ubunt? this is hoary ! the development version which supposed to include it no?11:48
froudbtw there are now a number of targets11:48
froudshould11:49
froudthe targets are as follows11:49
froudall = build everything11:49
froudug build userguide11:49
froudqg build quickguide11:49
sivangok, it's done.11:50
froudfaq build faqquide11:50
froudclean tidy the mess11:50
sivangyes I've seen the targets already11:50
froudok look in trunk/build/userguide/11:50
froudindex.html shold  do it11:51
froudOk I am going to go. I have found a number of problem to fix in the morning. Thanks fo ryour help11:51
sivanglooked at it.11:51
sivangnice, although I would have changed the font size and some of ther rendering 11:52
sivangbut it's not you that has doen it - I Know :)11:52
froudsmall stuf for the team to do11:52
sivangwe should have some discussion about this,11:52
froudChrisH, is good with CSS11:52
sivangChrisH: yes he is.11:52
sivangnow I have to find what I'm good at :)11:52
froudhe is assigned a bugzilla to do stuff with the css in libs/11:52
sivanggreat.11:53
froudcan you write jscript11:53
sivangalthough I deeply despise it, I used to wrote alot of it for a living a year ago.11:53
froudok I may have some java scripts for you to write, it will give me time to other stuff11:54
sivangdid a complete sms reminder web site that was taken down eventually because the client of the company I wokrd for bailed out and dind't pay11:54
froudooops11:54
froudhey must go11:54
sivangyes, now I have nothing to show :)11:54
froudc ya later11:54
sivangc'ya11:54

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