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hornbeck | froud: you around? | 06:25 |
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enrico | hello hornbeck! | 06:29 |
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froud | good morn | 06:30 |
froud | african grettings | 06:30 |
hornbeck | I am only here a sec | 06:31 |
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hornbeck | froud now has access | 06:34 |
hornbeck | I am going to leave now :-) | 06:34 |
froud | hornbeck, thanks | 06:35 |
hornbeck | email me if anything goes wrong, I made a backup right before giving access to him :-) | 06:35 |
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froud | he he :-) | 06:35 |
froud | you can use hot-backup.py | 06:35 |
hornbeck | yeah, I know | 06:36 |
froud | Thanks for all your help | 06:36 |
froud | I just woke yp | 06:36 |
froud | up | 06:36 |
froud | 07:30 here in Johannesbrg | 06:36 |
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froud | hornbeck, you still alive :-) | 06:59 |
froud | do you have a https interface for commit access | 06:59 |
froud | I am getting an authentication error while trying to setup for svn | 07:05 |
froud | svn: Commit failed (details follow): | 07:05 |
froud | <froud> svn: MKACTIVITY of /faq/!svn/act/1b5d1b7c-46ec-0310-9a18-d0e28e8fc7c3: authorization failed (http://69.155.172.150) | 07:05 |
froud | can anyone help here | 07:06 |
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froud | enrico | 07:18 |
froud | but Im not ther eyet | 07:19 |
enrico | uhm... authentication error... | 07:19 |
froud | Hmmm | 07:19 |
enrico | tried checking out http://yourusername@69.155.172.150 ? | 07:19 |
enrico | ehm, http://yourusername@69.155.172.150/faq ? | 07:19 |
froud | no i did svn co http:..... --username ... --password ... | 07:20 |
enrico | then, when you do commit, you should be prompted for your password once and that's it | 07:20 |
enrico | Ah, allright. That should be it, then | 07:20 |
froud | Ok will fgive it a try | 07:20 |
froud | It did not prompt me just did co | 07:22 |
enrico | It doesn't prompt at the checkout | 07:22 |
enrico | only at commit | 07:22 |
froud | so each time I do commit I need to pass the password ? | 07:22 |
hornbeck | no the password will keep after your first commit | 07:23 |
hornbeck | or it shouldl | 07:23 |
hornbeck | should | 07:23 |
froud | ok so same as stcin stdout sv:// | 07:23 |
froud | stdin | 07:23 |
froud | svn:// | 07:23 |
hornbeck | there is no svn:// | 07:23 |
hornbeck | http:// | 07:23 |
hornbeck | just http:// | 07:24 |
froud | yes what I mean is it is the same as when using stdin/stdout on a svn:// protocol | 07:24 |
hornbeck | the only difference now is you can svn commit <file> | 07:24 |
hornbeck | yes | 07:24 |
froud | Should we not use https:// | 07:24 |
hornbeck | this is temporary right now | 07:24 |
froud | OK | 07:24 |
hornbeck | never meant to be a long term thing | 07:25 |
hornbeck | I made it so we would have something | 07:25 |
hornbeck | I am off to bed | 07:25 |
hornbeck | email problems to me, I will be back in about 6.5 hours | 07:25 |
froud | He he no I have stuff to do | 07:25 |
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enrico | enrico is wide awake (14:27 here :) | 07:26 |
enrico | However, I'm about to go out (they're waiting for me downstairs) | 07:27 |
froud | ok chow | 07:27 |
enrico | see you all later! | 07:28 |
froud | problem solved | 07:29 |
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abelli | enrico.. | 11:26 |
abelli | ciao | 11:26 |
enrico | Ciao! | 11:28 |
ChrisH | froud: Could you perhaps edit the wiki/DocBook page I started and give some more guidelines on how we will work? Like entities, xmllint, suggested editor applications etc? Would help. | 12:00 |
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froud | ChrisH, where exactly in wikipedia is this page? URL | 12:18 |
abelli | sivang: ping | 12:19 |
ChrisH | froud: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBook and http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBookReference | 12:21 |
ChrisH | froud: That is as much as I know about DocBook <excuse>which was enough to get started</excuse> :) | 12:22 |
froud | OK thanks I will take a look and make changes | 12:28 |
sivang | abelli: pong | 12:44 |
froud | ChrisH, see this article http://www.sastc.org.za/articles/xml-solv-prop.html | 12:48 |
sivang | ChrisH: heheheh | 12:49 |
sivang | :) | 12:49 |
froud | I have published it under creative commons | 12:49 |
sivang | froud: Shalom Yedidi! | 12:49 |
froud | sivang, shalom | 12:49 |
sivang | ehhh, creative commons, what a wonderful license.. | 12:49 |
froud | sivang, you need to do svn up | 12:49 |
froud | actually everyone using svn needs to do svn up, except ChrisH | 12:50 |
sivang | froud: any new stuff for me there? | 12:50 |
sivang | :) | 12:50 |
froud | The makefile is not ready, I am busy with it | 12:50 |
froud | when last did you do svn up ? | 12:50 |
sivang | anybody seen enrico? | 12:51 |
ChrisH | froud: very general... but nice for starters | 12:51 |
froud | sivang, just do it | 12:51 |
sivang | Nike (tm) ? | 12:51 |
sivang | :) | 12:51 |
froud | ChrisH, yes, but gets th epoint of why use xml | 12:51 |
ChrisH | froud: Right... | 12:51 |
ChrisH | froud: How the heck do you have five penguins in ZA? :) | 12:51 |
froud | Five linux boxes :-) | 12:52 |
ChrisH | Oh... okay. | 12:52 |
ChrisH | Pengiuns would have been funkier though. | 12:52 |
sivang | froud: done, now what? | 12:52 |
froud | each a different breed of penguin | 12:52 |
froud | yelp userguide.xml | 12:53 |
froud | and the others to see they work | 12:53 |
froud | for you | 12:53 |
froud | sivang, userguide is now at docbook 4.3 as a test | 12:54 |
sivang | 4.3, meaning new standards new featrues? | 12:54 |
froud | sivang, only problem is with the 4.3 task element, we dont use it yet, but I intend to so Shaun (GNOME) will add this to Yelp | 12:55 |
froud | The other docs are using docbook 4.1.2 | 12:55 |
froud | still | 12:55 |
sivang | froud: ok, you have to do some explenation for the technically challanged amongs us..:) | 12:56 |
froud | Notice how the ubuntu icon is now displayed | 12:56 |
froud | sivang, look at the srcs see how it works | 12:56 |
sivang | froud: what is task element? | 12:56 |
froud | you will notice stuff like &publisher; | 12:57 |
froud | task element is a new element that was introduced in docbook 4.3 | 12:57 |
froud | question time | 12:57 |
sivang | btw, the logo doesn't display at all over my setup. | 12:58 |
froud | On the contents page ? | 12:58 |
sivang | yes | 12:58 |
froud | Hmm hangon | 12:58 |
sivang | ChrisH: torf is down or something? | 12:59 |
ChrisH | sivang: should not be... what are you missing? | 01:00 |
froud | sivang, svn up | 01:02 |
froud | in root of trunk | 01:02 |
sivang | lemme try again | 01:02 |
froud | he is right | 01:05 |
froud | sivang, cd quickguide | 01:05 |
froud | yelp quickguide.xml | 01:05 |
sivang | eh, I did it for the userguide, you should love it also a bit :) | 01:05 |
sivang | the logo display there is b0rked. | 01:06 |
froud | yes something I need to find out why | 01:06 |
froud | But I will be moving userguide.xml to parts | 01:06 |
froud | then rename parts to userguide | 01:06 |
froud | do you see it in the quick guide | 01:07 |
sivang | I don't get it, are you merging the usersguide with the quickguide? | 01:07 |
sivang | didn't we agree that this is not what was decided?> | 01:07 |
froud | no | 01:07 |
froud | not allowed to remember | 01:08 |
sivang | :) | 01:08 |
froud | I said I will mv userguide.xml to parts | 01:08 |
ChrisH | sivang: Every project (users guide, quick guide, whatever else) is getting an own directory. Nothing less. | 01:08 |
froud | then mv parts to usersguide | 01:08 |
ChrisH | sivang: So although the repository is still called "faq" it contains all the projects. | 01:08 |
froud | Yes, this is a small things | 01:09 |
sivang | ChrisH: ah ok :) so we get more oder | 01:09 |
ChrisH | It will still be a week until no one else but froud understands the structure. ;) | 01:09 |
froud | I want to rename fq2 to faq | 01:09 |
sivang | not odor :) order.. | 01:09 |
froud | yes | 01:09 |
froud | Does the quickguide load the image for your? | 01:10 |
sivang | well, froud should write up a guide for the new doc proj structure. | 01:10 |
sivang | froud: yes | 01:10 |
froud | OK my mistake | 01:10 |
ChrisH | sivang: Yes, asked him already to polish my DocBook[Reference] Wiki pages. | 01:10 |
froud | quickguide is using docbook 4.3 | 01:10 |
ChrisH | sivang: He makes me look stupid. :) | 01:10 |
sivang | froud: toss in a "new documentation structure guide" for free ? | 01:10 |
sivang | ChrisH: what do you think this makes me look like? more stupid then you... | 01:11 |
froud | sivang, not many changes from the usual | 01:11 |
froud | we just have a greater degree of indirection | 01:11 |
ChrisH | sivang: Then you are extra stupid. | 01:11 |
froud | sivang, cd to trunk/ | 01:11 |
ChrisH | sivang: We will meet at the next SUDWC... | 01:12 |
froud | less global.ent | 01:12 |
ChrisH | sivang: (Stupid Ubuntu Doc Writers Conference) | 01:12 |
sivang | ChrisH: I find it growing as the days go by, X,XX,XXX,XXXX,XXXX,..... :) | 01:12 |
sivang | froud: THERE | 01:12 |
sivang | sorry for the caps | 01:12 |
froud | ok you see entities | 01:12 |
froud | a few of them | 01:12 |
froud | yep? | 01:13 |
sivang | froud: what do you define as entities? | 01:13 |
froud | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> | 01:13 |
froud | <!-- VERSION FILES --> | 01:13 |
froud | <!ENTITY userguide-rev SYSTEM 'VERSION'> | 01:13 |
froud | <!ENTITY quickguide-rev SYSTEM 'quickguide/VERSION'> | 01:13 |
froud | <!ENTITY faqguide-rev SYSTEM 'fq2/VERSION'> | 01:13 |
froud | <!-- COMMON DOC OBJECTS --> | 01:13 |
sivang | ChrisH: very ery stupid ubuntu doc project starter.. | 01:13 |
froud | <!ENTITY publisher SYSTEM 'common/publisher.xml'> | 01:13 |
froud | <!ENTITY legalnotice-feedback SYSTEM 'common/legalnotice-feedback.xml'> | 01:13 |
froud | <!ENTITY inline-ubuntu-icon SYSTEM 'common/inlinemediaobject-ubuntu-icon.xml'> | 01:13 |
froud | <!ENTITY ubuntu-icon SYSTEM 'common/mediaobject-ubuntu-icon.xml'> | 01:13 |
froud | right | 01:13 |
sivang | froud: but this is a _directory_ , what you pasted are contents from files... | 01:13 |
froud | yes are you in trunk/ | 01:14 |
sivang | froud: yes I am. | 01:14 |
froud | ok do less global.ent | 01:14 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 3 pooh pooh 142 2004-12-28 13:51 common | 01:14 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 3 pooh pooh 140 2004-12-28 14:01 debian | 01:14 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 4 pooh pooh 57 2004-12-28 13:51 fq2 | 01:14 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 1298 2004-12-28 13:51 global.ent | 01:14 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 3 pooh pooh 38 2004-12-28 13:51 images | 01:14 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 3 pooh pooh 17 2004-12-28 13:51 libs | 01:14 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 564 2004-12-27 13:31 Makefile | 01:14 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 11 pooh pooh 141 2004-12-27 13:31 parts | 01:14 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 4 pooh pooh 64 2004-12-28 13:51 quickguide | 01:14 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 2258 2004-12-27 13:31 README | 01:14 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 7 pooh pooh 153 2004-12-28 14:05 .svn | 01:14 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 779 2004-12-27 13:31 ubuntu.xsl | 01:14 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 4543 2004-12-28 13:51 usersguide.xml | 01:14 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 10 2004-12-28 13:51 VERSION | 01:14 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 998 2004-12-27 13:31 xinclude.mod | 01:14 |
sivang | I do recognize on ething, my "debian" folder :) | 01:15 |
froud | yo dude what ar eyou doing | 01:15 |
froud | in bash do less global.ent | 01:15 |
sivang | ok, sec. | 01:15 |
sivang | ok, I have the file infront of me. | 01:15 |
froud | OK those or entities | 01:16 |
froud | take the first one | 01:16 |
froud | <!ENTITY userguide-rev SYSTEM 'VERSION'> | 01:16 |
sivang | Ok, I know this, I know XML :) just didn't understadn what you defined as entities at first place, | 01:16 |
froud | if you insert &userguide-rev; in your doc it will be included | 01:16 |
sivang | because one might have different definitions to it. | 01:16 |
sivang | yes I know. | 01:16 |
sivang | ok, so that simplifies and stream lines alot. good | 01:17 |
froud | OK see the new doctype decl | 01:17 |
sivang | btw, why do you need a shoutcast entiy? | 01:17 |
froud | it was use din the docs | 01:17 |
sivang | eh ok.. | 01:17 |
froud | see the DocType Decl in userguide.xml | 01:17 |
froud | <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN" | 01:17 |
froud | "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" [ | 01:17 |
froud | <!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "xinclude.mod"> | 01:17 |
froud | %xinclude; | 01:17 |
froud | <!ENTITY % globalent SYSTEM "global.ent"> | 01:17 |
sivang | doctype decl is in the global ? | 01:17 |
froud | %globalent; | 01:17 |
froud | ] > | 01:17 |
froud | see above | 01:17 |
sivang | ok, some of this I recognize, | 01:18 |
froud | global.ent is defined in all files in this manner withinn the internal subset | 01:18 |
froud | now you see xinclude.mod | 01:18 |
froud | this is also defined in all files | 01:18 |
sivang | yes, that what I dind't understand | 01:18 |
sivang | you mean, included in all files. | 01:18 |
sivang | ? | 01:18 |
froud | OK xinlcude.mod adds the xi namespace to the docbook dtd | 01:19 |
sivang | because you defined it once on the global.ent | 01:19 |
froud | yes | 01:19 |
sivang | ok | 01:19 |
sivang | xinclude.mod is docboook std? | 01:19 |
froud | any entity defined in global.ent is available to all documents | 01:19 |
sivang | so when I need an entity I do | 01:19 |
sivang | SYSTEM.<object> ? | 01:19 |
froud | No | 01:20 |
froud | you do &entity-name; | 01:20 |
froud | for example | 01:21 |
froud | <!ENTITY ubuntu-bugzilla 'http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/' > | 01:21 |
froud | bugzilla is referenced in mutiple books | 01:21 |
froud | the location may chnage oneday | 01:21 |
froud | change | 01:21 |
froud | b'cause all docs call &ubuntu-bugzilla; | 01:21 |
froud | we can change the value for this in one place | 01:22 |
froud | global.ent | 01:22 |
froud | and all docs are updated | 01:22 |
froud | this is how I used it | 01:22 |
froud | <abstract> | 01:22 |
froud | <para>This document aims at answering questions that are asked frequently. It contains | 01:22 |
froud | Wiki entries from the <ulink url="&ubuntu-web;">ubuntulinux.org</ulink> web | 01:22 |
froud | site, the mailing lists and all the contributions we received through the Ubuntu Bugzilla.</para> | 01:22 |
froud | </abstract> | 01:22 |
sivang | cool, I understand that this is what we achive by that, I am just a bit intrigued by the syntax iself, that is | 01:22 |
sivang | I want to know why this defines it that way. | 01:23 |
froud | see the above | 01:23 |
froud | <ulink url="&ubuntu-web;">ubuntulinux.org</ulink> | 01:23 |
sivang | this is the usage, not the definition. | 01:23 |
froud | this usage is calling &ubuntu-web; | 01:23 |
froud | which equals | 01:23 |
sivang | right | 01:23 |
sivang | yes? | 01:23 |
froud | <!ENTITY ubuntu-web 'http://www.ubuntulinux.org/' > | 01:23 |
froud | if this value changes we just change it in global.ent | 01:24 |
froud | as the doc system grows | 01:24 |
froud | and things around us change | 01:24 |
froud | we want a short way to update things | 01:24 |
froud | this level of indirection shields us from these changes | 01:24 |
sivang | yes! but: | 01:25 |
froud | but | 01:25 |
sivang | 13:17 < froud> <!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "xinclude.mod"> | 01:25 |
sivang | xinclude.mod = file shipped with the docbook distro? | 01:25 |
froud | OK that is for xinclude | 01:25 |
froud | yes | 01:25 |
sivang | which is the code for incorporating namespaces into another? | 01:26 |
froud | however, we will ship iiiiiiit also | 01:26 |
froud | yes | 01:26 |
froud | it add xi to several elements | 01:26 |
sivang | ok, what is xi? X(ml) (I)nclude infrastrucutre? | 01:26 |
froud | It also provide the xi:fallback | 01:26 |
froud | yes | 01:26 |
sivang | I see, ok now - | 01:26 |
froud | so if a path to a file is wrong we will see the words FIX ME | 01:27 |
sivang | basically what you did is | 01:27 |
sivang | define a new entity SYSTEM? | 01:27 |
froud | It's not new its standard but I applied it to ubuntu docs | 01:27 |
froud | we have a combination of Xinclude and entities | 01:28 |
ChrisH | froud: Entities are nice... but the new layout is much uglier than before if you work with the sources. :) | 01:28 |
sivang | could you please just explain the way you defined it again? | 01:28 |
sivang | not the usage, the definition. | 01:28 |
sivang | :) | 01:28 |
froud | what xi or entities | 01:29 |
sivang | xi | 01:29 |
sivang | or how you decalred it on the global file | 01:29 |
froud | OK to use XInlcude you need to extend the Docbook DTD | 01:29 |
froud | xinclude.mod is that extension | 01:29 |
froud | to make it known to the parser I define it in the external subset of the DocType Decl | 01:30 |
froud | That is this part | 01:30 |
froud | <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN" | 01:30 |
froud | "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" [ | 01:30 |
froud | <!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "xinclude.mod"> | 01:30 |
froud | %xinclude; | 01:30 |
froud | <!ENTITY % globalent SYSTEM "global.ent"> | 01:30 |
froud | %globalent; | 01:30 |
froud | ] > | 01:30 |
froud | <!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "xinclude.mod"> | 01:30 |
froud | <froud> %xinclude; | 01:30 |
froud | now when I validate the parser sees the xi namespace as valid for the dtd | 01:31 |
froud | does that help | 01:31 |
sivang | is this like saying: define xinclude of type SYSTEM , implementation is in xinclude.mod ? | 01:31 |
sivang | the same for globalent? | 01:32 |
froud | yes except I put them in a seperate file external to the document | 01:32 |
froud | why? | 01:32 |
sivang | like extern in C ? :) | 01:32 |
froud | ok | 01:32 |
sivang | ok = yes? | 01:32 |
froud | so I can create a new instance of the object in each file | 01:33 |
froud | ChrisH, looks dont count | 01:33 |
froud | :-) | 01:33 |
sivang | ok, what does the SYSTEM type means from the parser view? | 01:33 |
froud | no | 01:33 |
froud | When an ENTITY defines with SYSTEM it means look in the system the entity vlaue is external to the file | 01:34 |
froud | example | 01:34 |
froud | <!ENTITY quickguide-rev SYSTEM 'quickguide/VERSION'> | 01:34 |
sivang | froud: be back in 30 ...gotta get some food, will read the backlog | 01:35 |
froud | The value for quickguide-rev can be found in the file quickguide/VERSION | 01:35 |
froud | ok back in 5 mins | 01:35 |
froud | back | 01:36 |
froud | ChrisH, r you following this stuff? | 01:36 |
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ChrisH | froud: A little... doing multiple things at the same time currently. :) | 01:38 |
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froud | ChrisH, I will document this in the wiki and give people links to things. Once this is done I will send mail about it to the list. | 02:19 |
ChrisH | froud: Good boy! :) | 02:20 |
ChrisH | froud: You are really teaching us a lot of good things. As I said... DocBook documentation is very rare on the internet. So having someone who really understands it is very helpful. Good to have you here. | 02:21 |
froud | ChrisH, sivang, others can do svn up | 04:13 |
froud | fq2 is now known as faqguide | 04:14 |
froud | parts is known as userguide | 04:14 |
froud | userguide.xml has moved to userguide/ | 04:14 |
hornbeck | thanks froud | 04:14 |
froud | no wories | 04:15 |
froud | worries | 04:15 |
hornbeck | 15 revisions since about two hours ago? | 04:15 |
froud | he he | 04:15 |
froud | directory control is not easy | 04:15 |
froud | :-) | 04:15 |
hornbeck | guess not | 04:15 |
froud | many small changes to be sure | 04:16 |
hornbeck | right | 04:16 |
froud | rather than one big change and no way back | 04:16 |
hornbeck | I guess I can start on the userguide again | 04:16 |
froud | yes | 04:16 |
ChrisH | froud: I hope the revision number is 32 bits :) | 04:16 |
froud | do you need explanation of how things hang together | 04:16 |
hornbeck | write a email about it | 04:16 |
froud | going to put it in wiki and will mail link | 04:17 |
hornbeck | good deal | 04:17 |
hornbeck | I am off to work again | 04:17 |
froud | hornbeck, do yelp quickguide.xml | 04:17 |
froud | you should know that it is now at docbook 4.3 as a test | 04:17 |
froud | hornbeck, shaun from GDP will add task element to yelp so we can use it. Bugzilla is posted to GNOME and Shaun has accepted | 04:21 |
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froud | anybody who needs to work on userguide please do svn up a few small pieces I forgot to move are now moved. sorry for the inconvenience | 04:28 |
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froud | FYI current HEAD is at r128 | 04:29 |
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froud | sorry | 04:30 |
froud | r148 | 04:30 |
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hornbeck | froud: pictures are broke in quickguide | 04:37 |
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ChrisH | froud: Could you consider turning off that auto-away? | 04:39 |
froud | hornbeck, replace then with &inline-ubuntu-icon; | 04:39 |
froud | so | 04:40 |
froud | <mediaobject> | 04:40 |
froud | <imageobject> | 04:40 |
froud | <imagedata fileref="../../../IconUbuntu.png" format="PNG" align="right"/> | 04:40 |
froud | </imageobject> | 04:40 |
froud | </mediaobject> | 04:40 |
froud | becomes | 04:40 |
froud | &inline-ubuntu-icon; | 04:40 |
froud | The value of &inline-ubuntu-icon; is found in the file | 04:41 |
froud | common/inlinemediaobject-ubuntu-icon.xml | 04:41 |
froud | as defined by entity | 04:41 |
froud | <!ENTITY inline-ubuntu-icon SYSTEM 'common/inlinemediaobject-ubuntu-icon.xml'> | 04:41 |
froud | in | 04:41 |
froud | global.ent | 04:42 |
froud | I have not yet ported all these issues | 04:43 |
froud | hornbeck, you want it or shall I? | 04:45 |
froud | ChrisH, done :-) | 04:46 |
ChrisH | froud: Thanks. :) | 04:46 |
froud | do we want to use nav graphics in the chunked output? | 04:51 |
ChrisH | I vote for con. It does not help the user a lot. | 04:51 |
froud | this only applies to HTML output | 04:51 |
froud | not Yelp | 04:51 |
ChrisH | Still con. :) | 04:52 |
froud | OK nop prob | 04:52 |
ChrisH | Just my vote. There are others left. | 04:52 |
froud | not a problem I wil just commnet it from the custom layer | 04:53 |
froud | Docbook has a special css, anyone here good with css (hint ChrisH ) | 04:53 |
ChrisH | froud: Yes, I am. :) | 04:53 |
froud | you want to enhance it for ubuntu style etc | 04:54 |
ChrisH | froud: k | 04:54 |
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ChrisH | froud: We started with the style sheet from plone. But it looked ugly. I'll fix it. | 04:54 |
froud | ChrisH, do svn up | 04:55 |
froud | cd libs/ | 04:55 |
froud | you will find the docbook css | 04:55 |
froud | can I open a bugzilla for this? | 04:55 |
ChrisH | froud: sure | 04:56 |
froud | what's your email | 04:56 |
ChrisH | froud: I'm home in 2 hours. I'll check it carefully then. | 04:56 |
ChrisH | froud: email@christoph-haas.de | 04:56 |
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froud | ok | 04:56 |
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ChrisH | froud: mucho appetito | 04:57 |
froud | ChrisH, see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 | 04:59 |
sivang | ChrisH: what's up? | 05:06 |
sivang | I had to take my workrave..now back | 05:06 |
froud | guys do we want admon graphics | 05:09 |
ChrisH | sivang: We are turning everything upside down again. The documentation is now in Microsoft Word 2004 format. | 05:09 |
froud | ouch | 05:09 |
ChrisH | froud: Perhaps. I'm using just text admons for my tutorials. That worked fine enough. Too many graphics quickly overload a page. | 05:09 |
ChrisH | froud: Unless you have some very funny comic cliparts though. :) | 05:09 |
sivang | ok, should I submit my resignation letter to you then? or to froud? | 05:09 |
ChrisH | sivang: froud is the new boss. We fired Mark and Enrico. | 05:10 |
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sivang | ok, then, I am off to start a new distro | 05:10 |
sivang | ciao! | 05:10 |
froud | ok admons off until later, i will need to go get the icons from GNOME | 05:10 |
ChrisH | sivang: Sivux? | 05:10 |
froud | l'hit | 05:10 |
sivang | ChrisH: hmm, that's a very good name! I hope you don't mind I use it and give you no credit? | 05:11 |
sivang | :) | 05:11 |
ChrisH | froud: And when all that tidying up is done we seriously need to get some words into the files. :) | 05:11 |
ChrisH | sivang: Too late, already registered that as a trademark. | 05:11 |
froud | you noticed | 05:11 |
sivang | gaaah!! | 05:11 |
sivang | Then, we meet at court :) | 05:11 |
ChrisH | sivang: But it's no problem. I already sold the name to 50% Microsoft and 50% SCO. | 05:11 |
ChrisH | sivang: They asked for your credit card number. ;) | 05:12 |
sivang | ChrisH: so why my balance is -2000EU in debit? | 05:12 |
sivang | :) | 05:12 |
=== sivang svn updates | ||
hornbeck | man revision 149 | 05:13 |
ChrisH | sivang: It has become really hard to shock you. Like my credibility has decreased. :) | 05:13 |
sivang | ChrisH: hehehe | 05:14 |
sivang | well, I just got used to your humor and find it great fun flowing with it :) | 05:14 |
sivang | ChrisH: we should meet in person again soon, less busy more laughs would come I am sure :) | 05:14 |
froud | guys when building docs is it ok for you if I do it in trunk | 05:15 |
ChrisH | sivang: Oh, yeah. Just wait until we have our house. I'll reserve a terminal room with a pizza oven for you. :) | 05:15 |
ChrisH | froud: you mean where the Makefile will be located? | 05:15 |
sivang | ChrisH: hahaha! THANK YOU | 05:16 |
froud | makefile is in trunk/ | 05:16 |
froud | where do you want the results | 05:16 |
froud | of make all | 05:16 |
sivang | anyway, back to bussiness. | 05:16 |
ChrisH | froud: I'd say still in the trunk | 05:16 |
sivang | faqguide is the korean faa ? | 05:16 |
sivang | faq? | 05:16 |
froud | Ok that's good | 05:16 |
sivang | froud: trunk is the current develpometn bracnh? | 05:16 |
froud | yes but builds dont get checked in | 05:17 |
sivang | when do we clean all the other folders? do we still need them if everything is tidy up in trunk? | 05:17 |
ChrisH | what else is there? | 05:17 |
froud | there is a clean target | 05:17 |
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sivang | again | 05:17 |
froud | look at makefile iiits not complete | 05:17 |
froud | but it has the startings | 05:17 |
froud | sivang, is always confused but we still love sivang | 05:18 |
sivang | well, yeah I tend to get confused , because I love to stay on control! MUHAAHAHA :) | 05:18 |
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sivang | ChrisH: is faqguide is the korean guy faq? | 05:19 |
ChrisH | sivang: gq | 05:20 |
ChrisH | sivang: Smells more like the current FAQ page from the /support section | 05:20 |
ChrisH | sivang: plovs has introduced it in r84 | 05:21 |
sivang | ChrisH: nobody knows what is it? | 05:21 |
ChrisH | sivang: your debian/ directory should also move... | 05:21 |
sivang | surely with the new funky rocking organization somebody should know where it came from.. | 05:21 |
sivang | ChrisH: hey! nobody touches myd ebian dir! debina rules! | 05:21 |
froud | keep the deb dir it has important stuff | 05:22 |
ChrisH | froud: shouldn't the xinclude.mod be put into common/ ? | 05:22 |
froud | well for some | 05:22 |
froud | no it will move to libs/ later | 05:22 |
ChrisH | sivang: Just move it into where you need it. It probably does not build a package of *all* documents, does it? | 05:22 |
froud | as will global.ent | 05:22 |
sivang | ChrisH: actually it calls the make file.. | 05:22 |
sivang | ChrisH: and builds html at the moment. | 05:23 |
froud | NOTE TO ENRICO: *PLEASE DO NOT COMMIT ANY PRESENTATIONAL FORMATS TO SVN. THANKS* | 05:23 |
ChrisH | sivang: Uh huh? Very weird... shouldn't it create a package? | 05:23 |
ChrisH | Ouch... my ears... | 05:23 |
froud | so he will add it to the new | 05:24 |
froud | sivang, what are you on about qg and Korean | 05:24 |
sivang | froud: There is a faq looking guide in www.ubuntuguide.org, which is done by some korean guy - the faqguide looks much the same, so I wanted to know if this is the one just imported to docbook, because I know plovs has been doing some work on it. | 05:25 |
froud | is it in korean | 05:26 |
froud | The docs in svn HEAD now are what was in SVN when I started | 05:27 |
froud | I have no idea if that is from plovs since there are no bugzillas | 05:27 |
froud | :-( | 05:27 |
sivang | ok then it's not - no worries | 05:27 |
sivang | I've got everything in control :)_ | 05:27 |
froud | :-) | 05:27 |
sivang | probabyl nobody started to import it | 05:28 |
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sivang | ChrisH: c'ya | 05:28 |
froud | bye | 05:28 |
sivang | froud: have glanced at the guide? | 05:30 |
sivang | it's in english | 05:30 |
froud | yes I know I was worried for a moment | 05:31 |
sivang | he basically compiled all of the good stuff that was available from the wiki + main website and organized it in a nice format. | 05:32 |
sivang | (Accessible too) | 05:32 |
sivang | so I recall talks from mataro about maybe importing into our docbook system | 05:32 |
froud | sounds like a good idea | 05:33 |
froud | I cant focus on this until I get a stable base for everyone | 05:33 |
froud | at present people can add content though, the docs are read | 05:33 |
sivang | yes ofcourse, I was just informing you. | 05:33 |
froud | ready | 05:33 |
froud | I am now working on our build system | 05:34 |
froud | ok thanks | 05:35 |
froud | who feels daring :-) | 06:30 |
froud | I need a person to test the make file. It works on my system. Who agrees to be a tester | 06:31 |
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sivang | froud: I will | 07:20 |
=== sivang does svn up | ||
sivang | r158 | 07:21 |
sivang | froud: what to do? | 07:21 |
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ChrisH | Okay... let's see what froud has broken today. :) | 08:09 |
abelli | i think it's the right place... documentation.. culture.. | 08:17 |
abelli | what does fogo na bomba means? | 08:17 |
abelli | btw, hi chrish... im the new [after some days in casablanca] cenerentola | 08:17 |
ChrisH | abelli: Figured that already, Andrea. :) | 08:18 |
abelli | how is your lady? | 08:18 |
ChrisH | Oh, she's okay. Baby is in bed. Currently making some food. | 08:18 |
abelli | good.. any clue about "fogo na bomba"? | 08:19 |
ChrisH | Not really. Read it from a brazilian IIRC... no idea what it means. | 08:20 |
ChrisH | Fog after bombardment? | 08:20 |
abelli | hehehe... | 08:20 |
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sid77 | hi | 10:30 |
froud | midnight in co za | 11:10 |
froud | anyone tuned | 11:10 |
froud | sivang, you have xsltproc installed, I hope | 11:11 |
froud | sivang, in trunk/ | 11:11 |
froud | do make all | 11:11 |
froud | this should create build/ with HTML versions of all books. | 11:12 |
sivang | froud: here. pong | 11:12 |
froud | hey dude | 11:12 |
froud | its midnight you still awake | 11:13 |
froud | sivang, try build the docs | 11:15 |
sivang | froud: let's try, run make from the trink dir? | 11:15 |
froud | yes | 11:15 |
froud | try with one target first | 11:15 |
froud | do make ug | 11:16 |
froud | this will build user guide | 11:16 |
froud | You will get some errors related to xml base ignore them | 11:16 |
froud | and then you will see it writing the html | 11:16 |
froud | when its finished look in trunk/build/userguide/ | 11:17 |
froud | open index.html | 11:17 |
sivang | pooh@tigershark ~/devel/docteam/faq/faq/trunk $ make ug | 11:17 |
sivang | Building the Ubuntu User Guide . . . | 11:17 |
sivang | mkdir -p build/userguide/ | 11:17 |
sivang | xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir build/userguide/ libs/html-cust.xsl userguide/usersguide.xml | 11:17 |
sivang | warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl" | 11:18 |
sivang | compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import | 11:18 |
sivang | xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl | 11:18 |
sivang | make: *** [ug] Error 5 | 11:18 |
froud | Ok this is because you are running a system that does not have | 11:18 |
froud | /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl | 11:18 |
sivang | how can I make my system have this? | 11:19 |
froud | hmmm upgrade | 11:19 |
froud | or put a folder (link) | 11:19 |
froud | in this path | 11:19 |
froud | you need to create the following path /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/ | 11:20 |
froud | youll need su | 11:20 |
froud | the last folder current is a link to the root of your docbook xsl | 11:21 |
froud | sivang, what is the path to your docbook xsl | 11:22 |
sivang | froud: how to check that? | 11:22 |
froud | ok I'mguessing here | 11:23 |
froud | but look in /usr/share/sgml/ | 11:24 |
sivang | froud: sec | 11:25 |
sivang | ok, it is | 11:25 |
sivang | what to look for there? | 11:25 |
froud | finish the path for me | 11:25 |
sivang | I can do ls on it | 11:28 |
sivang | eh soryr | 11:28 |
sivang | /usr/share/sgml/docbook | 11:28 |
froud | is that the dtd or xsl | 11:28 |
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sivang | have no idea. | 11:29 |
sivang | pooh@tigershark /usr/share/sgml/docbook $ ls -la | 11:29 |
sivang | total 1 | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 152 2004-11-18 23:51 . | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 328 2004-11-14 14:55 .. | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 80 2004-10-21 00:46 custom | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 264 2004-10-21 00:45 dtd | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 96 2004-11-13 03:52 stylesheet | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1240 2004-11-19 01:51 yelp | 11:29 |
froud | cd stylesheet | 11:29 |
froud | ls | 11:29 |
sivang | pooh@tigershark /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet $ ls -la | 11:29 |
sivang | total 0 | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 96 2004-11-13 03:52 . | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 152 2004-11-18 23:51 .. | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 2004-10-21 00:45 dsssl | 11:29 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 72 2004-11-13 03:52 xsl | 11:29 |
froud | cd xsl | 11:29 |
froud | ls | 11:30 |
sivang | pooh@tigershark /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/xsl $ ls -la | 11:30 |
sivang | total 0 | 11:30 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 72 2004-11-13 03:52 . | 11:30 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 96 2004-11-13 03:52 .. | 11:30 |
sivang | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2004-11-13 03:52 nwalsh -> ../../../../xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh | 11:30 |
froud | there she is | 11:30 |
sivang | yes | 11:30 |
sivang | this is probably the standard path for it under an future ubuntu system :) | 11:30 |
sivang | why not setting the make file to include it from there? | 11:30 |
froud | for now you can just vi Makefile | 11:31 |
froud | no sorry | 11:31 |
froud | give me the full path | 11:31 |
sivang | froud: maybe you should probe /etc/lsb-release to see what system the make is executed on and according to that set up the include paths | 11:32 |
froud | yes I still need to investigate this | 11:32 |
froud | best is to use catalogs | 11:32 |
froud | that way it will work on any system | 11:32 |
froud | the current method is hard coded | 11:32 |
froud | look in libs/html-cust.xsl | 11:33 |
froud | comment out the current import of profile-chunk.xsl | 11:33 |
sivang | froud: eh, I'm getting too tired - maybe we can continue this tommorow ? | 11:33 |
froud | ok just giv eme the full path | 11:33 |
sivang | sec | 11:34 |
froud | my debian box has something else | 11:34 |
sivang | /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/xsl | 11:34 |
froud | and | 11:34 |
sivang | /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/xsl/nwalsh | 11:34 |
froud | and | 11:34 |
sivang | that;s it | 11:34 |
sivang | wpps | 11:35 |
sivang | woops | 11:35 |
froud | you should have more | 11:35 |
sivang | pooh@tigershark /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/xsl/nwalsh $ ls -la | 11:35 |
sivang | total 15 | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 480 2004-11-13 03:52 . | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 2004-11-13 03:52 .. | 11:35 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 938 2004-10-26 18:27 catalog.xml | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1616 2004-11-13 03:52 common | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 104 2004-11-13 03:52 css | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 112 2004-11-13 03:52 eclipse | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 144 2004-11-13 03:52 extensions | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1624 2004-11-13 03:52 fo | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1888 2004-11-13 03:52 html | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 240 2004-11-13 03:52 htmlhelp | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 888 2004-11-13 03:52 images | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 152 2004-11-13 03:52 javahelp | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 152 2004-11-13 03:52 lib | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 256 2004-11-13 03:52 manpages | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 216 2004-11-13 03:52 profiling | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 200 2004-11-13 03:52 template | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 128 2004-11-13 03:52 tools | 11:35 |
sivang | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2992 2004-09-19 08:58 VERSION | 11:35 |
sivang | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1784 2004-11-13 03:52 xhtml | 11:35 |
froud | ok that the place I have just done a commit | 11:36 |
froud | do svn up | 11:36 |
=== sivang svning up | ||
froud | then in trunk/ | 11:37 |
froud | do make ug | 11:37 |
sivang | lots of watning | 11:37 |
sivang | warnings | 11:37 |
froud | yes | 11:37 |
sivang | validity warning : Attribute base of element refsect3: already defined | 11:37 |
sivang | %common.attrib; | 11:37 |
sivang | ^ | 11:37 |
sivang | xmlns:xi CDATA #FIXED 'http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude' | 11:37 |
froud | complains about xml base | 11:37 |
sivang | ^ | 11:37 |
sivang | validity warning : Attribute base of element article: already defined | 11:37 |
sivang | %common.attrib; | 11:38 |
sivang | ^ | 11:38 |
sivang | xmlns:xi CDATA #FIXED 'http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude' | 11:38 |
sivang | does it use fop? | 11:38 |
froud | I need to patch this bug | 11:38 |
froud | no | 11:38 |
froud | no fop | 11:38 |
froud | I just did not hav etime to patch it | 11:38 |
sivang | ok | 11:38 |
froud | it will write the files soon | 11:38 |
froud | then cd build/ | 11:38 |
froud | ls | 11:38 |
froud | Should be finished | 11:40 |
sivang | still going.. | 11:40 |
froud | look for build/userguide/index.html | 11:40 |
froud | geeze what processor u using its slow | 11:40 |
froud | :-) | 11:40 |
sivang | 2.6G HT | 11:41 |
sivang | 512 mem | 11:41 |
sivang | have you sent me a trojan horse? :) | 11:41 |
froud | Get mor emem:-) | 11:41 |
froud | no | 11:41 |
sivang | half a gig is not enough? :) | 11:41 |
froud | no 1 g or > | 11:41 |
froud | :-) | 11:41 |
froud | teasing | 11:41 |
sivang | actually, it creates tons of connection to ww.doc-oasis.org | 11:41 |
sivang | why does it do HTTP? | 11:42 |
froud | yes cause you dont have the docbook 4.3 dtd | 11:42 |
froud | so xsltproc goes to get the dtd from OASIS | 11:42 |
froud | But new version ooof ubuntu will ship docbook 4.3 | 11:42 |
froud | and as I understand it also the xsl's in their correct places | 11:43 |
froud | :-) | 11:43 |
froud | still going | 11:44 |
sivang | yes | 11:45 |
froud | you did just build one target right, I meanyou did make ug | 11:45 |
sivang | as soon as tsf would hire me, I would get some more mem | 11:45 |
sivang | :) | 11:45 |
sivang | froud: yes | 11:45 |
sivang | froud: unemployed at the moment...:) | 11:45 |
froud | whew I will have to make that patfor catalogs soon | 11:46 |
froud | people will kill me if there builds are so long and slow | 11:46 |
sivang | yes | 11:46 |
sivang | especially if this is triggerd by my deb package, then they will want to kill me and I in return would come to kill you :)) | 11:47 |
froud | but when I'm finished with it, it will run like a dream | 11:47 |
froud | its still rough around the edges | 11:47 |
froud | first cut of the code always is | 11:48 |
sivang | froud: new versino of ubunt? this is hoary ! the development version which supposed to include it no? | 11:48 |
froud | btw there are now a number of targets | 11:48 |
froud | should | 11:49 |
froud | the targets are as follows | 11:49 |
froud | all = build everything | 11:49 |
froud | ug build userguide | 11:49 |
froud | qg build quickguide | 11:49 |
sivang | ok, it's done. | 11:50 |
froud | faq build faqquide | 11:50 |
froud | clean tidy the mess | 11:50 |
sivang | yes I've seen the targets already | 11:50 |
froud | ok look in trunk/build/userguide/ | 11:50 |
froud | index.html shold do it | 11:51 |
froud | Ok I am going to go. I have found a number of problem to fix in the morning. Thanks fo ryour help | 11:51 |
sivang | looked at it. | 11:51 |
sivang | nice, although I would have changed the font size and some of ther rendering | 11:52 |
sivang | but it's not you that has doen it - I Know :) | 11:52 |
froud | small stuf for the team to do | 11:52 |
sivang | we should have some discussion about this, | 11:52 |
froud | ChrisH, is good with CSS | 11:52 |
sivang | ChrisH: yes he is. | 11:52 |
sivang | now I have to find what I'm good at :) | 11:52 |
froud | he is assigned a bugzilla to do stuff with the css in libs/ | 11:52 |
sivang | great. | 11:53 |
froud | can you write jscript | 11:53 |
sivang | although I deeply despise it, I used to wrote alot of it for a living a year ago. | 11:53 |
froud | ok I may have some java scripts for you to write, it will give me time to other stuff | 11:54 |
sivang | did a complete sms reminder web site that was taken down eventually because the client of the company I wokrd for bailed out and dind't pay | 11:54 |
froud | ooops | 11:54 |
froud | hey must go | 11:54 |
sivang | yes, now I have nothing to show :) | 11:54 |
froud | c ya later | 11:54 |
sivang | c'ya | 11:54 |
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