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Riddellgoldenear: I do, but you should be able to get kde4base from edgy now12:33
goldenearRiddell: I still have the wrong size message...12:38
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Riddellit won't be released in january, much later than that12:41
Riddellgoldenear: just get it from the normal ubuntu archive, not mine12:42
goldenearIt seems to work now after an apt-get clean12:42
Riddellgroovy :)12:43
Riddellgood luck, I'm off to bed12:43
goldeneargood night12:43
goldenearnop... it doesn't work...12:43
goldenearsame problem :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((12:44
goldenearoops, I've a problem with my keyboard12:47
goldenearok, I remove your repository from my source list and it works :)12:47
goldenearkde 4 installed :)12:47
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Hobbseehey all05:34
imbrandonheya Hobbsee 05:34
Hobbseehey imbrandon 05:34
Hobbseeimbrandon: did we get packages for testing?05:34
imbrandon3.5.5 ?05:35
imbrandonyea riddell put some up but i cant use them yet ( i386 only )05:35
=== Hobbsee wonders where...
imbrandondeb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 edgy main05:36
=== Hobbsee upgrades
Hawkwindimbrandon: Have you checked your space/bandwidth on DH today ?05:38
Hawkwindimbrandon: Your allowed space/bandwidth that is05:39
imbrandonHawkwind, no but i should be no where near it05:39
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Hawkwindimbrandon: You won't be after todays nice little bonus they added05:39
Hawkwindimbrandon: They upped everything by 10x05:39
HawkwindSo your 20GB is now 200GB space, and your bandwidth is now 2TB per month05:40
imbrandonholy shit they did ?05:40
Hawkwindimbrandon: Yeppers05:40
imbrandonmy bandwidth was 2TB before05:40
Hawkwindimbrandon: Then it's 4TB probably05:40
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imbrandonHOLY JESUS05:41
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Hawkwindimbrandon: Isn't that really nice05:42
imbrandonyea 400gb disk space and 4TB bandwidth05:42
imbrandonis this perminate ?05:42
Hawkwindimbrandon: Yeppers05:42
HawkwindRead that URL I posted05:42
HawkwindThe URL is for new users, but the space/bw is for all current users05:42
imbrandoni got the news letter yesterday but i dident read it yet05:42
imbrandondude that rocks05:43
imbrandondid you ever get an account ?05:43
HawkwindI just signed up tonight because of this deal :)05:43
Hawkwindimbrandon: I paid $19.41 for a full year of the smallest package deal.  200GB/space and 2TB/bandwidth for under $20 for the first year05:44
imbrandonvery cool05:44
imbrandon20$ for the full YEAR05:44
imbrandonor 20 a month ?05:44
HawkwindMy 1and1 account just renewed 3 days ago so I've got 3 months to get everything transferred over05:45
Hawkwind$20 for the first *year* :)05:45
imbrandonfskin nice, i payed almost 300 for my first year05:45
HawkwindThey are offering a $99.99 code for today only05:45
HawkwindNot like I couldn't get a $97 code tomorrow of course from a couple of people05:45
imbrandonvery cool05:45
Hawkwindabattoir just signed up with them about a week ago and got the 20GB account.  He's going to freak when he sees it's now 200GB05:46
imbrandonheh you all should have signed up under me ;)05:46
Hawkwindimbrandon: Another friend of mine gave him the code so he got the great deal :)05:47
imbrandondude i'm gonna go play with my wesite hehe05:47
HawkwindLOL.  Lots of stuff to fill up that space now05:47
imbrandonHawkwind, well if you know anyone else i'll hook them up ;)05:47
imbrandonyup yup05:47
Hawkwindimbrandon: Kewl kewl. I'll be able to give out codes now too :)05:47
imbrandonwell i host a few other people too, i'm gonna up their limits05:47
HawkwindMeans I've got work to do on my website now since I have a banner for 1and1 across each page of it05:47
imbrandonthanks for pointing that out man05:48
imbrandonthat ROCKS05:48
HawkwindHeh no problem.  I knew you'd be excited05:48
HawkwindThe only reason I hadn't switched yet was because of the drop in space I would take from 150GB to 60GB.  Now I get more space for half the price :)05:49
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Hobbseeimbrandon: do we know what happened to the later version of kopete?07:00
=== Hobbsee wonders if we have a changelog
imbrandonas in ?07:01
imbrandonwhat kopete ?07:01
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Hobbseekopete is supposed to release 0.12.3 with kde 3.5.507:02
Hobbsee[15:03]  *** The channel topic is ""Kopete 0.12.3 to be released with KDE 3.5.5 || Kopete 0.12.2 downloadable at http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php || Where do you use Kopete? http://www.frappr.com/kopetepeople || Kopete: Home to the sexiest IM developers in the world.  || Want to help with Kopete 1.0? See http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Setup+KDE4DevEnv to get started || MSN is sick (server side):07:03
imbrandonHobbsee, ahh then its probably with kdenetowrk like it was before07:04
Hobbseewe're keeping it split, iirc07:04
imbrandonright but it might not be at this moment07:04
Hobbseekde.org changed their site :)07:04
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Hobbseehey nice, hopefully this means we have less trouble with kdesu07:08
HobbseeConversation with su failed.07:12
Hobbseewhen trying to launch adept, from the kmenu07:12
Hobbseesame with trying to hit administrator password in system settings07:16
Hobbseeapart from that, i havent noticed any problems07:16
Hobbseeoh, wait, yes there is07:17
Hobbseeshow windows from all desktops no longer works07:17
Hobbseewhat the....07:17
Hobbseekicker's very borked07:17
imbrandoni'm sure your testing all this on a new user account right ?07:18
Hobbseeum, no?07:18
Hobbseegood point07:18
imbrandonand those are untested debs ( even by Riddell himself ) heh07:18
imbrandonanyhow brb i got to reboot ;)07:18
nixternalyou gotta love bip, he says he is rebooting yet he never leaves ;)07:24
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Hobbseeawww crap07:31
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Hobbseemv .kde_old/ .kde doesnt seem to ovewrite the .kde/ folder as i would have expected07:35
Hobbseeit just deletes .kde_old and keeps .kde/07:35
Lathiatit would have moved to .kde/.kde_old07:35
Lathiatso you probably havent lost it )07:36
Lathiatso mv .kde .kde2; mv .kde2/.kde_old .kde07:36
Lathiatshould get you back right07:36
Lathiatassuming you didnt go rm -rf .kde in a fit of rage :)07:39
Lathiat(because thats what i'd do)07:40
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HobbseeLathiat: what's the last bit?  just .kde?07:41
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fubuntuhello, do any of you guys have a funny module.h?07:45
fubuntumine's hilariously stupid07:45
fubuntu... can someone please help me figure out why i get 'attr' and 'kobj' errors when compiling modules?07:46
fubuntugoogle's lost its touch for this subject07:46
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nixternali guess #kubuntu-devel has as well ;)07:57
nixternaloh well, g'nite07:57
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Hobbseeargh.  it's a bug in pager or something.08:10
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Hobbseehey allee 08:53
alleeHi Hobbsee, eventually I started the kde-extras in alioth for kubuntu pkgs page.  Suggestions for a good pagename welcome ;)08:55
Hobbseeallee: yay :)08:56
Hobbseeallee: i was always shocking with names.08:56
alleeHobbsee: heh.  When it keeps raining I may even finish it today ;)08:57
Hobbseehehe :)08:58
Hobbseewhat's in it?08:58
Hobbseewell, will more be put in it?08:58
alleewiki or svn?08:58
Hobbseesvn, i think08:59
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alleeHobbsee: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde contains all KDE main pkgs and in kde-extras lots of others kde apps09:01
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alleeHobbsee: what will be added depends on the KDE Extras devels (and of course the kubuntu devels)09:02
Hobbseeallee: yeah, fair enough09:02
Hobbseeallee: i've just had a thought.  for any new kde programs, should we be shoving them into debian first, then syncing them?09:03
alleeHobbsee: that's what I do ;)09:03
Hobbseeallee: right.  who do we have to upload to the debian repos?  you a DD?09:03
alleeno.  DD process was a night mare when I felt motivated.  Now I have a quick sponsor and motivation drop to near yero ;)09:04
Hobbseeallee: near yero?09:04
alleeNot sure I'll ever try to apply for DD09:04
Hobbseeallee: nice, okay.  so it's not hard to get stuff in09:05
alleeargl. german keyboard. s/yero/zero/09:05
Hobbseeahh :)09:05
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faboHobbsee: could you confirm 6279009:24
imbrandonbug 6279009:30
UbugtuMalone bug 62790 in kvpnc "Please sync kvpnc (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6279009:30
imbrandonfabo, done09:31
imbrandonfabo, you do kbfx in debian also right ?09:31
imbrandonfabo, wana request a sync for that real fast too and i'll ack it09:32
imbrandonshouldent be any delta iirc09:32
imbrandonbut make sure09:32
faboimbrandon: i fixed some bug upstream, and a new release should be published. it explains why i didn't request a sync atm09:32
imbrandonahh ok09:33
faboi want to have final instead rc :)09:33
imbrandonright , but will they release in time to get it in edgy09:34
faboit must be released tomorrow09:34
imbrandonahh nice ok09:35
faboif they don't release it, i'll prepare at least 0492+cvs patch09:35
faboanyway, thks for kvpnc confirmation :)09:36
alleefabo: hi09:58
alleefabo: any idea how to name a wiki page that invits kubuntu devels to commit their kubuntu independent changes directly to kde-extras repo?09:59
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alleefabo: a start of the page exists only in my kate puffer right now ;)10:08
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faboallee: kutnubu or kubuntu debian collaboration (KDC) or kubuntu debian collaborative maintenance ;)10:16
alleefabo: mhhm, too general :( Tt's KDE apps only   KDEAppsDebianPkgCollaboration KDEAppsDebianCollaboration KDEExtrasPkg KDEExtrasKubuntu ... ?10:21
faboallee: only extras package could be affected or also core kde modules ?10:23
alleefabo: kde core stuff is different I assume.  I _assume_ that some sort of well knownness of the author to the Qt/KDE Team is necessary before one get's commit rights10:25
alleefabo: well, to get some kde-extra commit right, he/she should be known in this channel ;) 10:27
faboso we can go for KubuntuDebianKDEExtrasCollaboration ;)10:28
alleeLong but cool :)10:28
faboall informations are in the title ;)10:29
alleeright. I'll use it.10:29
alleefabo: in the case for kde apps not yet in kde-extras.  Any idea about a policy?  Okay to commit right away independent if there's a sponsor right now, or first ask on pkg-kde-extras ml?10:31
imbrandonKubuntuKDEExtras sounds good to me10:31
imbrandonallee, and it would be nice if i could get commit access10:31
alleeimbrandon: ah, a test user.  See: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LmAQJs83.html10:32
alleeimbrandon: it's quite some time ago that I went through the procedure.  I hope I remembered it right ;)10:33
faboallee: any kde apps not yet in kde-extras ? :D10:34
alleefabo: I doubt that you miss one!10:35
faboallee: if you ahev commit rights, i assume that you can commit right away10:35
alleefabo: yes, the ACL is valid for everything below kde-extras10:36
faboallee: and i have done like that. i mean when i want to add a new package, i push it without asking on  ml10:36
alleefabo: can you add a paragraph how to do it?   I used svn-inject only once ;)10:38
faboallee: i never used any svn-* tools :)10:39
alleefabo: really?  I thought you're the expert :)10:39
fabooh no it is mark :=)10:39
fabobut i know some tricks that we can use10:40
alleeheh, this proves that svn-* knowledge is not necessary. Good.10:41
faboi'll complete the wiki page when you finish to work on it ;)10:41
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faboimbrandon: i saw that you worked on dh_iconcache ?11:04
imbrandonyea i did a few of those last cycle11:04
faboimbrandon: in gnome.mk they use dh_iconcache , is it the same behavior for kde ?11:05
imbrandonit is now, wasent the case then ( those were done about 5 months ago )11:05
fabooh nice :)11:05
faboimbrandon: coul you take a look at 62306 :)11:06
imbrandonsure , bug 6230611:06
UbugtuMalone bug 62306 in kimdaba "Please sync kimdaba (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6230611:06
fabomy last issue was dh_iconcache ;)11:06
Hobbseefabo: correct.  i hacked it :P11:07
faboso if it is now in kde.mk, it's resolved :p11:07
faboHobbsee: good work :)11:07
imbrandonfabo, done ( it does use kde.mk correct ? )11:08
fabothks all ;)11:09
imbrandonkk commented and ack'd11:09
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Hobbseethat's darned unacceptable.11:49
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alleefabo, imbrandon and all others: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEExtras12:18
alleeplease fix any bug, stupid explanations ^^12:18
alleeit stopped raining here, so I have work outside this afternoon.  BB tonight.12:19
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Tonio__imbrandon: ping ?12:49
imbrandonTonio__, pong12:50
Tonio__imbrandon: I'm currently porting all beryl packages to edgy, fancy testing when done ?12:51
Tonio__I tested and that's pretty nice :)12:51
imbrandonTonio__, sure12:52
Tonio__okay I'll let you know :)12:52
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HobbseeTonio_: tried kde 3.5.5 yet?01:38
Hobbsee*has only had two bugs*01:38
Hobbseeone showstopper, one great annoyance.01:38
Tonio_Hobbsee: not yet, but I will give a try today01:40
faboQt 4.2.0 released also01:42
Riddellfabo: pubilcly?01:42
Tonio_Riddell: can you remind me the repo for 3.5.5 ?01:43
Riddellooh, so it is01:43
Riddell18:14 < Riddell> ** for the brave   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main01:43
Tm_TRiddell: I'll try those01:44
Tm_THobbsee: so, upgrade went smooth?01:45
Tonio_Riddell: thanks01:45
RiddellHobbsee: what's the bugs?  kdesu presumably01:45
LureRiddell: 355 is ok today, just kdesu and desktop pager bug are still here01:46
Tm_TLure: what pager bug?01:46
LureTm_T: desktop pager in panel does not work (cannot move windows, cannot switch desktops)01:47
LureTm_T: multiple desktops work though if I click already running app on tackbar01:47
Tm_Tworks here just fine01:47
Tm_Tbut I compile from svn01:47
Tm_TI'll give a try to packaged one01:48
Tonio_for those interested i ntesting beryl : http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/01:50
Tonio_simply "apt-get install beryl emerald-themes", then start beryl-manager01:51
Tm_Twhat's beryl?01:51
gnomefreakTonio_: it will add the nvidia-beta and all the other beryl apps?01:51
ubotuberyl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.01:51
Tonio_gnomefreak: not the nvidia part01:51
gnomefreakTonio_: ok01:51
Tonio_gnomefreak: you have the list of packages I ported to edgy on the page01:52
Tonio_gnomefreak: a few bugs, but globaly it works, pretty nicelly01:53
gnomefreakTonio_: mine worked for a while than emerald was causing beryl to crash i had reinstalled ubuntu to test beta disk and i havetn gotten back to it yet01:53
Tonio_gnomefreak: I didn't experienced any crash here01:54
Tonio_but well that's just for fun, the future will be with metacity and kwin01:54
gnomefreakTonio_: either way to run it you either need beta drivers or xgl and im not real happy with xgl01:54
Tonio_compiz/beryl or other projects are just demo things in my opinion01:55
Tonio_as is xgl, too01:55
Tonio_gnomefreak: well with nvidia yes, but with intel chip, no need of this01:56
gnomefreakTonio_: yeah i forgot intel01:56
Tonio_beryl is nice, except not as fluid as compiz in my opinion01:56
Tonio_I read on the web that we could have a good surprise with kwin in 3.5.601:59
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gnomefreakbrb got an hour and half for updates02:01
HobbseeRiddell: kdesu, and the pager bug02:01
HobbseeLure: you still can switch desktops.  in fact, it all works if you get rid of the pager applet..02:02
Hobbseei havent seen anything else yet02:02
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Tonio_Hobbsee: do you see the kwallet icon in the systray ?02:03
HobbseeTonio_: i've got it disabled anyway02:04
HobbseeTonio_: point02:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: ah... because we need to find out if that bug is still there...... I will check myself in a few minutes :)02:04
LureTonio_: kwallet is still there in 35502:05
Tonio_Lure: kwallet is there or kwallet bug ? :)02:05
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Hobbseewhat's the kwallet bug?02:05
LureTonio_: it works as it should02:05
Tonio_Hobbsee: it didn't appear in the systray with 3.5.3 and 3.5.402:05
LureHobbsee: kwallet did not appear in taskbar02:05
Hobbseedoes now02:05
Hobbseeif you tell it to02:05
Tonio_Hobbsee: I had to make a 3.5.2 downgrade patch02:06
Hobbseeit's there, taking up space :P02:09
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Tonio_Hobbsee: confirmed for the pager applet02:12
Tonio_Riddell: and kwallet doesn't need to be re-patched (good point !)02:12
gnomefreaki had kwallet in sys tray and up on my applications menu icon in gnome02:13
gnomefreakin 3.5.402:13
Tonio_gnomefreak: I patched it02:13
gnomefreakah ok02:13
Hobbseemore upgrades :)02:17
Hobbseemeeting on the 5th, 2100 UTC?02:19
Tonio__Sime: ping ?02:21
Tonio__Sime: I don't find the kcontrol module to reconfigure keyboard shortcuts02:21
Tonio__Sime: okay we have the gestures component, but they don't duplicate, they are complementary...02:22
Tonio__Sime: there are things that you cannot configure without the first one02:22
Tonio__Sime: for example the shortcut to switch to the next desktop02:22
Tonio__Sime: we should had it back02:22
Tonio_Riddell: the "middle click scroll" bug is resolved :)02:23
Tonio_on textareas is pastes and doesn't activate the scroll02:23
Tonio_ah... no still there......02:24
Tonio_works on text input02:24
gnomefreakarmarok gets the lyrics from an outside source right?02:24
HobbseeTonio_: that's there....02:26
Tonio_Hobbsee: if it works on text inputs and not textareas, I assume we should be able to patch this....02:27
Tonio_shouldn't be that complicated, I'll have a look02:27
HobbseeTonio_: sorry, i meant that the keyboard shortcuts module is still there.  such as shortcut to switching to next desktop02:28
HobbseeTonio_: at least in current ubuntu version02:28
Tonio_were is it in k-s-s ?02:28
HobbseeTonio_: keyboard and mouse, keyboard shortcuts02:29
Tonio_ahhhhhhhh, I thought that would be in accessibility02:29
HobbseeTonio_: try the search bar :P02:29
Tonio__Sime: forget me :)02:29
Tonio_Hobbsee: hum, true hehe :)02:29
HobbseeTonio_: :D02:29
Tonio_minipager debdiff........02:32
HobbseeRiddell: what's the status of kde 3.5.5 w.r.t kopete packages?02:32
Tonio_quite a lot of changes02:33
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm diffing with svn to see if there is potentially a fix02:34
HobbseeTonio_: nice :)02:34
RiddellHobbsee: I asked a kopete dude if there's been any changes but got no reply, we'll just stick with separate kopete packages unless I hear there's been any changes02:34
HobbseeRiddell: sounds good to me.  according to the topic in #kopete, they're distributing kopete 0.12.3 with kde 3.5.5, but i havent looked any closer with that.02:35
Riddellhmm, that sounds like there are changes02:35
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Tonio_hi el02:38
elhi Tonio_ :)02:39
Hobbseehey el!02:39
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Hobbseegnomefreak: sure he does.02:45
Hobbseegnomefreak: your kdeaddons bug that i was supposed to fix can go away now, too02:46
Hobbseei cant see it in my inbox anymore02:46
gnomefreakok let me see if i can find it. did i file it?02:46
Hobbseei couldnt see it under kdeaddons02:48
Hobbseeit'll either be under that or metabar02:48
gnomefreakk looking02:48
gnomefreakthe guy with the bank account issue?02:52
gnomefreaki dont have any left open on metabar/kdeaddons02:53
gnomefreaka bunch of crashes still open kicker konq. and so on02:53
Hobbseegnomefreak: i can reproduce that bank account issue02:53
Tonio_Hobbsee: I think I have a patch for minipager02:54
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Tonio_Hobbsee: let's build and we'll see in a moment02:54
HobbseeTonio_: woot!02:54
HobbseeTonio_: sounds good to me :)02:54
Hobbseei want my pager back!02:54
gnomefreakmarked it as confirmed02:54
Tonio_Hobbsee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/2102:54
Tonio_Hobbsee: there was a change 3 days ago in the svn, 3.5 branch02:55
Tonio_and looking at the code, it talks about your problem (at least itseems too)02:55
Tonio_let's go :)02:55
HobbseeTonio_: nice :)02:56
HobbseeTonio_: you're rebuilding there?02:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, I'm testing and telling you02:56
seaLneanyone know what information is required for a usefull xorg bug about autodetection getting it wrong?02:56
HobbseeTonio_: ahh, gotcha :)02:56
Tm_THobbsee: yes kopete 0.12.3 will be shipped in kde 3.5.502:58
Tm_T0.12 branch has been moved back to 3.5 branch02:58
HobbseeTm_T: cool.  so where is it?  are they going to release it separately as well, or what?02:59
Tm_THobbsee: it's where kopete should be, kdenetwork02:59
HobbseeTm_T: right.  guess that was a rather stupid question02:59
Tm_Thow come?03:00
Hobbseewell, where else would they distribute it, if they werent releasing separately?03:01
Tm_Thmm, true03:01
Tm_Tyou just did ask before think, typical to humans03:01
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Hobbseeyou're calling me normal?  how odd.03:04
Hobbseei guess you're calling me human.03:04
LureseaLne: at least Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf03:06
Tonio_Riddell: do you plan to ask for uvf exception request for kde or is that definitly too late ?03:07
seaLneLure: the issue is it uses ati instead of radeon which means it dosen't work03:07
RiddellTonio_: if we can fix kdesu and desktop pager I do03:08
LureseaLne: I think that "ati" is generic driver name and thsi driver is supposed to autodetect card and do "radeon" mode03:08
Riddellkdesu will be my fault, I'm looking at that now03:08
Riddelldesktop pager I've no idea03:08
LureRiddell: Tonio_ has some pacth for destkop03:08
Lurein KDE svn 03:08
Tonio_Riddell: I'm testing to see if that fixes the pager03:09
LureRiddell: we just need to test if it works03:09
Tonio_Lure: it is currently building here03:09
RiddellTonio_: how did you work that out?03:09
HobbseeseaLne: and maybe syslog?03:09
Tonio_Riddell: diff with svn ;)03:09
Tonio_Riddell: there was a commit on minipager 3 days ago03:09
Tonio_on branch 3.503:09
Tonio_Riddell: when did you sync this ?03:10
RiddellTonio_: sync what?03:10
Tonio_the svn03:11
RiddellI've not touched svn03:11
Tonio_hehe, I'm just asking when did you get the svn source ? because there are differences between your tarball and the current content of 3.5 branch, especially concerning the minipager03:12
Tonio_that's how I got the diff03:12
Tm_Tlogin gave me hit with both bugs, pager and su03:13
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Tonio_why isn't kde improving kdesu si that we can switch between su and sudo within a kdesurc file ?03:15
Tonio_that would be nice, lots of distros are using sudo now...03:15
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RiddellTonio_: I merged my kdesu sudo patches into 3.5 branch03:16
Riddellwhich is probably what's caused this problem03:16
Tonio_Riddell: ah okay :)03:16
Tm_Thmm, is there any temporary workaround? gksudo doesn't apply my settings to running app03:17
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the joystick modules, I think if we change the cxxflags just for that part, removing -ansi, we should be able to compile it03:18
Tonio_but I don't know if this is possible..... changing the flags just for a subfolder... in makefile.am probably ?03:18
Tonio_I'll test this today03:19
Tonio_Riddell: did you pbuild or debuild your package ?03:23
Tonio_Riddell: ftbfs here...03:23
Tonio_/tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdialog/progressdialog.cpp: In member function 'virt                                                                                                   ual void ProgressDialog::ignoreCancel()':03:23
Tonio_/tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdialog/progressdialog.cpp:90: error: 'ignoreCancel'                                                                                                    is not a member of 'KProgressDialog'03:23
Tonio_make[3] : *** [kdialog.all_cpp.o]  Error 103:23
gnomefreakhas anyone updated kmplayer in the past month?03:25
Tonio_gnomefreak: yes, me, why ?03:25
Tm_Tgnomefreak: I use svn version, does it count?03:25
gnomefreakbug 5328703:25
UbugtuMalone bug 53287 in kdebase "Konqueror crash opening video" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5328703:25
gnomefreaklooks like in the backtrace that kmplayer but i might be reading that wrong03:26
Tonio_gnomefreak: that's probably kaffeine issue03:26
Tonio_gnomefreak: the bug is old, so I would say it was kaffeine kpart in use03:26
gnomefreakok ill ask if it still happening03:27
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Tonio_gnomefreak: I'm pretty sure that's kaffeine03:27
gnomefreakok ty 03:27
Tonio_that's because of that error that we switched to kmplayer03:27
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Tonio_Riddell: confirmed, I can't pbuild kdebase here.... it fails03:44
RiddellTonio_: even against kdelibs 3.5.5?03:45
Tonio_Riddell: hehe I don't have the source repo for this :)03:46
RiddellignoreCancel is in kprogress.h in kde 3.5.503:46
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Tonio_Riddell: have a source repo for kdelibs ?03:46
Riddellup now, same as binary03:47
Tonio_Riddell: okay, thanks03:47
Lureis it just me or does akregator hang (with CPU load) on this RSS feed: http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/news/?cmd=rss03:47
RiddellLure: works for me03:48
LureRiddell: interesting...03:48
Tonio_Riddell: sorry but what is the binary repo for kdelibs ?03:50
Tonio_same than kdebase ?03:50
Riddelldeb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main03:51
Tonio_Riddell: I don't see kdelibs 3.5.5 there03:51
Tonio_I mean I have the sources, but not the binaries03:52
Riddellkdelibs4c2a is definately in there for i38603:53
Riddellhow did you test kde 3.5.5 again?03:53
Tonio_Riddell: when I apt-get source, kdelibs, it takes 3.5.5, but when I apt-cache search kdelibs, it show 3.5.4.....03:53
HobbseeTonio_: use apt-cache madison, perhaps03:54
Hobbsee   kdelibs | 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages03:54
Tonio_apt-cache show kdelibs | grep Version -> Version: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1803:55
Tonio_what the hell is this ?03:55
Riddelldo you have the deb line in source.list?03:55
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Tonio_Riddell: yeah I have both binary and source repos03:55
Tonio_Riddell: I upgraded kde.......03:55
Tonio_I don't understand......03:56
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Tonio_tonio@kubuntu:~$ grep kubuntu /etc/apt/sources.list03:56
Tonio_deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main03:56
Tonio_deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main03:56
Tonio_what the hell.......03:56
Tonio_Riddell: is your packages.gz up to date ?03:57
Riddellworks for me03:58
Riddelli386 only of course03:58
Tonio_Riddell: cache issue probably........ I'll clean apt03:58
Tonio_Riddell: yes, I have i386 too03:58
Tonio_no, same problem........04:01
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abattoirRiddell: hi, oem-config works properly (*finally*), in today's build...04:02
abattoirRiddell: after it is run, the default user in the kdm login screen is 'oem',(since oem logged in in the previous session), could this be made blank?04:03
bddebianHowdy folks04:03
abattoirhi bddebian :)04:04
bddebianHello abattoir04:04
Riddellabattoir: just need to remove that from wherever its saved04:05
Riddellabattoir: trouble is I've no idea where it's saved04:05
abattoirkdmrc maybe?04:05
abattoiri'll try to find out04:05
Riddellabattoir: /var/lib/kdm/kdmsts04:06
Riddellabattoir: is there a script we can just do rm -f /var/lib/kdm/kdmsts  in that's run after the oem user has logged out?04:06
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abattoirRiddell: i'll see if i can put it in the script which removes the oem user, i'll speak w/ Kamion about this, thanks :)04:07
Tonio_works now......04:08
Tonio_Riddell, Hobbsee: "When you have a weird issue and don't wanna search for hours, remember M$ and reboot !"04:08
Tonio_phrase of the day04:08
HobbseeTonio_: heh.  where was that?04:08
Tonio_Hobbsee: don't know, I just rebooted and now apt works.......04:08
Tonio_I assume I had the same problem with pbuilder since it uses apt, because I added riddell's repo to pbuilderrc without any success04:09
Tonio_okay let's build and fix kicker04:09
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zphouit's too slow to access kubuntu.org here04:19
Tonio_what to do with bug 4659904:20
UbugtuMalone bug 46599 in kdebase "Moving the System menu breaks the screensaver kcontrol module" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4659904:20
Tonio_I think we should reject.04:20
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Tonio_not that the bug doesn't exist, but we are not supposed to maintain kcontrol04:20
zphouTonio_: kcontrol in universe?04:22
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Tonio_zphou: no, but kcontrol replaced :)04:23
zphouTonio_: it's alternative, so you can't rejesct it  :)04:24
Tonio_zphou: depends if that impact systemsettings also :)04:25
Tonio_in any case I think I can't in fact ;)04:25
jdongTonio_: kdesystemsetttings should have the gtk-qt engine control module04:26
jdongTonio_: for those using KDE alongside gnome, it's an essential module every time you switch desktops04:26
jdong(and that probably fulfills your 'easier bug from jdong' request too!)04:27
zphoujdong: if we wanna backport a package, shall we work on it, or you?04:27
Tonio_jdong: it has htk-qt-engine04:27
jdongTonio_: not when I used it a few days ago.. did that recently change?04:27
Tonio_jdong: it is there for about a month04:28
jdongzphou: I'd appreciate it if you can test it first in a dapper pbuilder, etc04:28
Tonio_jdong: under appearance04:28
jdongTonio_: I am going to start kss in GNOME right now. if it's not there, you owe me a tray of cookies04:28
jdongTonio_: and my next 5 motu-pokes04:28
zphoujdong: if there has abi changes, need ask for approval?04:29
jdongzphou: bah... what are you trying to backport?04:29
jdongTonio_: ok, you don't owe me any cookies today :D04:29
zphoujdong: scim-chewing04:30
Tonio_jdong: ^^04:30
jdongzphou: oh yeah, I remember this being asked a while back...04:30
jdongzphou: scim-chewing in dapper didn't really work, right?04:31
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zphoujdong: I don't use it either :)04:31
jdongzphou: I remember a scim-chewing request before04:31
jdongand after a while of looking at it, it was eventually decided as rejected04:32
jdongwe tend not to like to deal with abi changes all that much :(04:32
zphoubut guys have disputed over this times, no guy do anything on it actrually :p04:32
zphoujdong: would u like working on it  :)04:34
zphouanyway, dapper is LTS 04:34
jdongzphou: scim-chewing and libchewing need backporting, no other reverse deps, right?04:34
jdongzphou: what is wrong with dapper chewing anyway.... please explain that to me first04:34
jdongif it's a serious problem, it should be handled via dapper-updates04:34
zphoujdong: scim-chewing in dapper is buggy (upstream )04:35
jdongzphou: that's not really specific enough...04:35
zphoujdong: guys can hardly use it for input Traditinal Chinese04:35
jdongzphou: have you poked mdz about it before?04:36
jdongit's better suited for dapper-updates than backports04:36
jdongbut we'll take it if mdz rejects it04:36
zphoujdong: this topic seems like a troll in malone :)04:36
zphoujdong: you mean updates can handle the change of abi?04:37
jdongzphou: well, to a degree04:37
jdongI don't see anything else using libchewing than scim-chewing04:37
jdongthat seems fine for updates, then04:38
freeflyingjdong: ya, only scim-chewing04:38
freeflyingoh no, also libchewing3-dev  :p04:39
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Tonio_hehe, novell invites me to paris seminar next month04:49
Tonio_I wonder how they got my address04:50
LureTonio_: you are famous Tonio from Kubuntu ;-)04:51
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HobbseeTonio_: what for?04:53
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Tonio_Hobbsee: seminar top promote suse new products blabla.......04:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: I probably won't go there04:56
Hobbseeheh.  it could be fun to go though04:56
Hobbseesee what of interest there is in suse products04:56
Hobbseemaybe bring some of the good stuff back to kubuntu. *g*04:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm not leaving in paris anymore :)04:56
Tonio_and the train is a bit expensived04:57
Tonio_Lure: bah... that doesn't explain for my postal address :)04:57
HobbseeTonio_: ahh.  invitation or sponsorship?04:57
beligumHi all, I wrote a little essay on the concept of future videohelpdesking in the open-source community. If you're interested: http://blog.beligum.org04:57
freeflyingTonio_: for promote suse?  :)04:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: invitation :)05:01
HobbseeTonio_: :)05:01
Tonio_Hobbsee: hehe05:01
Tonio_well they pay for the lunch, but not the train05:01
Tonio_freeflying: no just a seminar, nothing else05:02
Tonio_Hobbsee: kdebase is almost built....... just a few minutes and we'll know what about kicker05:02
HobbseeTonio_: yay :)05:02
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Tonio_Hobbsee: argh !05:06
Tonio_ftbfs again05:06
Tonio_Riddell: dh_install: kdebase-doc missing files (debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdebase*-apidocs/*), aborting05:06
RiddellI've never had that05:06
Tonio_Riddell: hum, yes, that's very strange.... crappy laptop maybe...... ;)05:07
Tonio_okay let's restart from the begening......05:07
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Tonio_I'm rebuilding the package, just adding my patch, and we'll see05:08
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gnomefreakTonio_: sorry about rejecting the bug i didnt hear anything so i rejected it05:11
Tonio_gnomefreak: no pb :)05:11
gnomefreakbtw you may see a bug on kde-meta soon something about depends issues05:12
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mhbHey everyone, they didn't want me at #ubuntu-bugs, so I'm back here05:33
HobbseeTonio_: if you get that fixed, can you email me with a link to the deb, or whatever, so that i can grab the fix?  i'm going to sleep..05:34
mhbI'd *really* appreciate some help with bug 63325 since nobody is noticing it, just me05:34
Ubug2Malone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6332505:34
Riddellmhb: I want to look at that but can't today, already doing kde 3.5.5 and qt 4.205:36
jdongkde 3.5.5?05:36
jdongis that out?05:36
Tonio_Hobbsee: sure, I'll put it on my repo so that you can dist-upgrade05:37
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Tonio_Hobbsee: I took Riddell's package, and just adding my patch this time. no buildprep, nothing05:37
Tonio_Hobbsee: I hope it'll work05:37
HobbseeTonio_: i dont have yours enabled.  i dont have the link, either05:37
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Hobbseei lost part of my logs :(05:37
mhbRiddell: thanks, I'll remind myself in a few days .. it's just that it's hug/bug day today05:37
Tonio_Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org05:38
Tonio_Hobbsee: you even can download binaries there if you don't want to use the repo05:38
HobbseeTonio_: what package will it be?05:38
Hobbseeyeah, that's what i usually do05:38
Tonio_Hobbsee: kicker ? :)05:38
Hobbseeah, so just kicker05:38
jdongTonio_: you're mr. adblock for konq, right?05:40
Tonio_jdong: hehe, yes :)05:41
Tonio_jdong: well I implemented the plugin and set the default rules, that's all :)05:41
Tonio_jdong: have an issue ?05:41
jdongTonio_: have you considered using easylist.adblockplus.org's lists?05:41
Tonio_jdong: nope05:42
jdongTonio_: IMO they are far superior to filterset.G05:42
Tonio_jdong: ah ? very interesting05:42
Tonio_jdong: any copyright or licence restriction on them ?05:42
jdongTonio_: I'll check, I don't know...05:42
jdongit's for adblockplus, an open source project, so I wouldn't expect so05:43
Tonio_jdong: well filtersetG as a licence, but upstream confirmed me we could use it05:43
jdongTonio_: I'll contact upstream for you05:43
Tonio_jdong: not needed probably05:43
Tonio_jdong: I'll test the list first, and if that's okay, let's go05:44
Tonio_for me, filtersetG is about the perfection05:44
Tonio_I couldn't find any website to resist05:44
jdongTonio_: easylist and easyelements (both on the same site) are great05:44
jdongTonio_: easyelements will actually collapse the blank space that sometimes is left behind05:44
Tonio_jdong: what are the differences ? have an example to compare ?05:44
Tonio_jdong: ah ! that's interesting05:45
Tonio_okay let's give a try :)05:45
jdongTonio_: it stops cnet.com's annoying expanding-ads dead in its tracks05:46
Tonio_jdong: no regular expressions ? that's surprizing05:47
jdongyeah, for such a simple thing, it does wonders05:47
jdongthe elements list is a bit more complex05:47
Tonio_jdong: works pretty nicelly05:50
Tonio_jdong: I'll test that for a few days, and if that's okay and there is no restrictive licence, I'll commit to kds05:51
Tonio_thanks for the info05:51
jdongTonio_: welcome :)05:51
Tonio_jdong: is the element blocking compatible with konqueror's adblock ?05:54
Tonio_I'm unsure :)05:54
jdongTonio_: I believe so05:54
Tonio_jdong: I'm testing, that pretty easy to test05:55
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jdongTonio_: hmm, perhaps the # command is not understood....05:57
Tonio_jdong: yes, it doesn't work.......05:59
Tonio_so element blocking is not of any use...... at the moment at least05:59
Tonio_jdong: I'll submit the idea to konqueror's team06:00
jdongTonio_: awesome06:00
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Tonio_jdong: concerning the first list, I think filterset.g is better, for one reason06:00
Tonio_jdong: a static list needs to be updated very often, and we don't have an updater06:01
jdongTonio_: filterset.g looks more static to me06:01
jdongTonio_: its regex is very specific to sites06:01
Tonio_jdong: hum....... not that much in my opinion06:02
Tonio_there are lots of regexp that are generic06:02
Tonio_well I'll compare easylist with adblock for a few days, going to porn websites, hacking websites, and we'll se which one is the best06:02
jdongTonio_: easylist's wildcard matches are pretty effective06:02
Tonio_jdong: certainly, yes, so taht's why I want to compare.06:03
Tonio_a konqueror plugin to update the lists would be good too :)06:03
jdonglol, certainly06:03
Tonio_jdong: if someone feels ready to improve the current adblock plugins that would be nice :)06:04
jdonghehe, my kde programming familiarity doesn't extend that far :)06:04
Tonio_Riddell: kicker's patch works :)06:05
Tonio_Riddell: hehe :)06:05
RiddellTonio_: rocking06:05
Tonio_Riddell: true ;)06:05
Tonio_Riddell: want a debdiff I assume ?06:06
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RiddellTonio_: sure06:07
LureTonio_: you mentioned fixed packages for desktop pager06:08
Lurewhere can I get them?06:09
Tonio_Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/2206:09
Tonio_Riddell: you can download it from there06:09
Tonio_Lure: ready for dcc ?06:09
Tonio_Lure: waiting for you to accept06:09
LureTonio_: accepted it, but it is not going anywhere06:10
Lureok, it started06:10
Luretimed out...06:10
Tonio_hum...... okay let's come back to normal ftp06:11
LureDownload of "kicker_3.5.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" from Tonio_ failed. Reason: Connection failure: timed operation timed out.06:11
Tonio_Lure: ah yes, my router sucks :) sorry06:12
Tonio_Lure: it's upnp support it a pure bullshit06:12
LureTonio_: I have OpenWRT and it rocks06:12
Tonio_lure: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/kicker_3.5.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb06:12
Tm_TTonio_: need testing?06:13
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Tonio_Tm_T: yes please ;)06:13
Tm_Taye sir06:13
Tonio_install, killall kicker and restart06:13
Tonio_works like a charm here06:13
Tm_TTonio_: nah, "dcop kicker kicker restart" is clean way06:13
Tonio_Lure: the point is it is very special in france06:13
Tm_TTonio_: I restart kicker "on the fly" almost every day :p06:13
Tonio_each ISP comes with it's own box, providing telephone, tv and adsl06:14
LureTonio_: you ROCK!!!!06:14
Tonio_and my isp sucks, but I don't wanna change it, since it'll take ages......06:14
Tonio_Lure: ;)06:14
LureRiddell: grab patch from Tonio_!06:14
Tonio_Lure: bah svn sync + diff... wasn't that complicated06:14
Tonio_kde maintainers rock, not me :)06:15
RiddellLure: I'm still looking at kdesu06:15
LureTonio_: but you are fast ;-)06:15
Tonio_Lure: that's true :) I don't have a job at the moment, that explains :)06:15
LureRiddell: ok, great - I just seen I got new kdepim, will play a bit more with it now...06:15
LureTonio_: I am on babysitting my daughter today (she is sick)06:15
Tonio_Lure: hehe, not too much sick I hope....06:16
Tm_TTonio_: so, I just check if minipager works?06:18
Tm_Tanything else?06:18
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Tonio_Tm_T: that's it06:20
Tonio_federer ?06:20
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Tm_Tjust. works.06:21
Tm_TTonio_: fine by me06:21
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Tonio_Tm_T: great, thanks for confirming06:21
LureRiddell: just installed gnome to test gpm key behaviour06:21
LureRiddell: no default action for sleep key, but battery show the gpm's tip06:22
Tm_TI always forger how large arrows default kicker uses06:22
RiddellLure: so you press sleep and gnome power manager displays the battery status?06:22
LureRiddell: I am thinking of do hard assigning of Standby -> Suspend and Sleep -> Hibernate and user can then change behaviour by changing xkeysym06:22
LureRiddell: no, there is battery key on my laptop. Sleep key does nothing06:23
Lure(at least by default)06:23
RiddellStandby -> Suspend and Sleep -> Hibernate sounds sensible06:23
Lureif this does not fit somebody, then they can change /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap06:24
LureRiddell: I will do a patch for ksmserver for all three keys and then try to get some testers before sending you to one of coredev to apply06:25
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abattoirRiddell: Kamion has added the command which removes kdmsts, just fyi06:27
Riddellabattoir: great06:27
LureRiddell: one guy mentioned regression in regards to laptop keys on asus06:27
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LureRiddell: do we have package for old asus/dell/thinkpad kmilo modules06:28
RiddellLure: kmilo-legacy06:28
LureI doubt we will be able to fix this in time for edgy, so workaround would help06:28
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jdong|laptopTonio_: while we evaluate the new filters, how about at least a filterset.g update to something that's NOT 6 months old? :D06:34
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RiddellTonio_: go knetworkmanager!06:52
Tonio_Riddell: what about ?06:53
RiddellTonio_: UVF exception approved06:55
jdong|laptopwasn't 0.1 already uploaded?06:55
Riddelloh hah06:56
Tonio_Riddell: yes, I already uploaded06:56
Riddellmy e-mail server just decided to finally send an e-mail from september 30th06:56
Tonio_about 5 days ago at least :)06:56
mdzjdong: it took a very long time to get any clarity about scim-chewing in malone; there are several unrelated issues06:56
Tonio_jdong|laptop: yes that's a pretty nice idea ;)06:56
mdzjdong: current focus is to get everything sorted in edgy and working well, then talk about -updates06:57
jdong|laptopmdz: ok, sounds good. this scim-chewing thing is so confusing :)06:57
Riddelltoma: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RosettaAndUpstreamCollaboration07:07
tomaRiddell: exciting... reading...07:09
mhbI read that too ... 07:09
mhbOT: sometimes I feel it's harder to collaborate between Kubuntu and KDE Czech translations because the person in charge of translating KDE apps is a paid SUSE employee :o) 07:12
tomaRiddell: I'll look into it in depth a bit more later on, looks good though07:13
mhbTm_T: the ironic thing is that the GNOME translator in charge of CZ l10n is a SUSE employee as well :o)07:15
Tm_Tmhb: sounds fun07:15
mhbTm_T: that's just the start ... would you believe that OK/Apply/Cancel is translated differently in Windows, KDE and GNOME (all 3 different versions) ?07:17
Tm_TI can07:18
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mhbTm_T: a lot of people (the GNOME/KDE l10n chiefs, for instance) dislike Ubuntu translations because we translate both KDE and GNOME consistently07:20
Tm_Tbut that supposed to be good thing07:21
mhbTm_T: well, it makes Ubuntu (Kubuntu) more consistent but the KDE/GNOME guys refuse our translations because they sometimes differ from their "pure" KDE only/GNOME only translations07:23
mhbTm_T: because we use only one dictionary for both, not one for GNOME and a different one for KDE07:24
Tm_Thmm, I haven't heard same behaviour in finnish translation teams07:24
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mhbTm_T: a lot of people at leading positions tend to be stubborn (and convinced that "their" translation is the best one)07:26
Tm_Thuman nature :)07:26
mhbTm_T: so there's the Windows translations, Firefox translations, KDE translations, GNOME translations ... all different07:28
Tm_Tglad Opera fi translator is also somewhat KDE activist07:30
freeflying,m 07:31
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mhblet's get back to devel :o)07:32
mhbRiddell: maybe we can now make the annoucement of the Kubuntu Testers team on the kubuntu-users and kubuntu-devel mailing lists07:38
mhbRiddell: the main wiki page is present07:39
Tm_Tmhb: count me in (that's what I do anyway)07:39
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mhbTm_T: great! 07:40
Riddellmhb: url?07:42
mhbRiddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters07:42
Riddellmhb: cool07:43
Riddellmhb: yes, announce on kubuntu-users kubuntu-devel and add it to UWN07:44
mhbRiddell: thanks07:45
mhbI'll do that07:45
andrunkohi all, do you know if qt4.2 will be on edgy? i am asking this cause if it happens i will have to update the telepathy-qt package. Currently telepathy-qt package is being patched because of an old version of qt-kdecopy on edgy07:46
Riddellandrunko: I don't know but I'm packaging it now and if there's no problems I'll ask for it to be let in07:46
andrunkoRiddell: nice, if it gets in please let me know, i will have to update telepathy-qt, actually, just remove some patches in there :)07:47
Riddellof course07:47
HawkwindIn Mandriva you can do cat /etc/release to find out what version of the OS you are running, what's the equivalent in Kubuntu ?07:52
abattoirHawkwind: lsb_release -a07:52
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Luresebas: ?08:02
Luresebas: ping08:02
jdong|laptopHawkwind: lsb_release oh never mind...08:02
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sebasLure: pong08:06
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LureI expected that dcop name of powermanager would not use pid since we use KUniqueApplication now08:07
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Luresebas: other question is if you did commit "SUSPEND_USE_HAL = False" by accident08:09
Luresebas: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/dcop.html says:08:11
LureKUniqueApplication automatically registers itself to DCOP. If you are using KUniqueApplication you should not attach or register yourself, this is already done. The appId is by definition equal to kapp->name(). You can retrieve the registered DCOP client by calling kapp->dcopClient().08:11
sebasLure: Ooops. should be True indeed.08:12
sebasI'll fix it immediately.08:12
Luresebas: I though so...08:12
Luresebas: I got it - we need to drop RegisterAs now when wi have KUniqueApplication08:13
Lurewill do this now08:13
sebasOk, I can test it then.08:14
Luresebas: this will probably also fix the dirty hack issue08:14
sebasThat would be nice08:14
Luresebas: it starts properly, prevents multiple instances, but still reports:08:17
Lurepower-manager: ERROR: Communication problem with power-manager, it probably crashed.08:17
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Tonio_Lure, sebas: ping me if you need an uploader once done08:50
jdongTonio_: you're a core-dev right :)08:51
Tonio_jdong: as long as it can help....08:51
Tonio_jdong: I updated filtersetg in kds08:51
jdongTonio_: yeah, I saw that. thanks :)08:51
jdongTonio_: would you like to test for me if core-dev can upload to dapper-backports?08:53
LureTonio_: be sure I will ;-) - problem is that dcop does not work in KUniqueApplication as it should :-(08:53
Tonio_Lure: yeah, I remember that kuniqueapplication issue08:53
Tonio_jdong: hum, I don't think I can08:54
Tonio_that requires other rights I think08:54
Tonio_jdong: imbrandon can so he can answer08:54
jdongimbrandon: poke :)08:54
Tonio_and btw I'm not supposed to upload to backports :)08:55
jdongTonio_: pfft.... nonsense :)08:55
jdongTonio_: if I say you are, then you are :)08:55
LureTonio_: every coredev can...08:55
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LureTonio_: this is why we have coredev's ;-)08:56
jdongTonio_: the theory is, core-devs should be able to upload to dapper-backports08:56
jdongwhether or not they're on the backports team08:56
Tonio_jdong: true that, but I'm not supposed to do so :)08:57
Tonio_jdong: I prefer to let the backport team do its job :)08:57
jdongTonio_: I don't have the power to do my job :)08:57
jdongTonio_: hence me scrounging around for a core-dev08:57
Tonio_jdong: what do you need to backport ?08:58
UbugtuMalone bug 63275 in dapper-backports "readahead-list " [Undecided,Confirmed]  08:58
jdongfaster dapper bootup :)08:58
jdongneeds edgy's boot.list to be replaced with stock dapper's08:58
jdongwhich I've attached to the bug ticket08:58
jdongthat's the only modification08:59
jdongadd a ~dapper1 to the version, and it's ready to go08:59
Tonio_jdong: hum, isn't mdz supposed to revu such an upload ?09:00
jdongI was just talking to mdz and the launchpad guys09:00
Tonio_anything concerning the boot process is somehow sensitive09:00
jdongTonio_: I've tested it very extensively09:00
jdongit's really not much of a change09:01
Tonio_if mdz is okay I would do it, of course, but I wouldn't take the responsability of it :)09:01
jdongTonio_: blame it all on me if something goes wrong :)09:01
Tonio_jdong: yes, I understand that, but that's a matter of "respecting the process" ;)09:01
jdongTonio_: one sec, I'll talk to the big guy a bit09:01
Tonio_hehe okay09:02
jdongTonio_: "the man" has approved it :)09:07
Tonio_jdong: great then09:09
jdongand kamion is around to watch it happen, so this shall be a fun one :)09:09
Tonio_now the question is "how to upload to backports" :)09:09
jdongbeats me.... you're the core-dev :)09:09
mdzTonio_: 'dapper-backports' in changelog/.changes09:09
Tonio_mdz: hehe okay :)09:10
Tonio_jdong: let's go09:10
mdzno idea if it will work09:10
mdzsomeone needs to talk to LP folks about it09:10
jdongmdz: I asked in #launchpad, but no response09:11
Tonio_mdz: it has already been tested afaik.... I can't test myself, since all my machines are under edgy09:11
jdongmaybe someone with more significance should ask?09:11
jdongTonio_: he was referring to he has no idea if the upload process will work09:11
Tonio_jdong: ah okay09:11
mdzTonio_: I mean the upload, yes09:11
jdongTonio_: (regarding the package, you did add ~dapper1 to the version number, right?)09:11
Tonio_jdong: well, imbrandon knows that to do, probably better asking him no ?09:12
Tonio_jdong: he'll probably come in a moment09:12
jdongTonio_: he wasn't sure the last time I asked him09:12
jdongTonio_: I think we're all in the same boat here :)09:12
Tonio_jdong: hum...09:12
Tonio_I must say I never looked at how to backport something....09:13
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jdongTonio_: replace debian/boot.list, add changelog entry, new version = old version and ~dapper1, then fire away :)09:14
Tonio_jdong: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsHowto09:14
jdongTonio_: that's the general backports policy from when TB first approved backports, yes09:14
jdongit's not been updated for a while :)09:15
Tonio_jdong: true that....09:15
Tonio_jdong: okay let's do the package and test :)09:15
jdongsounds like fun :)09:15
Luresebas: I have sent more findings to PyKDE mailing list09:17
Tonio_jdong: hum, the point is I need to take the edgy package to backport it09:18
jdongright, edgy sources09:18
Tonio_jdong: in the backport policy, I'm not supposed to touche at the package content09:18
jdongmdz has already approved changing boot.list09:18
Tonio_jdong: was that tested ? or just the dapper package with the boot.list ?09:19
jdongyes, that's what I tested09:19
Tonio_okay, so I will take the dapper package and update the boot.list09:19
Tonio_sounds cleaner09:19
jdongthe attached boot.list is the same one that's in dapper's package :)09:19
jdongedgy package09:19
jdongwith dapper boot.list09:19
Tonio_jdong: okay09:19
Tonio_sorry but I'm watching the tv at the same time ;) hard to be concerntrated :)09:19
jdonghehe :)09:20
Tonio_okay so edgy package with your attached boot.list from dapper, that's it !09:20
jdongwhile we're cranking away, a slightly OT question, will apport work with Kubuntu?09:21
Lurejdong: afaik not - we use kde crash collector for now09:22
jdongLure: ok, but that will only catch kde crashes, right?09:22
Lurejdong: Riddell mentioned that we might reconsider for edgy+1 based on ubuntu feedback09:22
Lurejdong: correct09:23
jdongok, sounds good09:23
Lurejdong: you are not supposed to run non KDE programs under kde ;-)09:23
jdongLure: CLI apps segfault, too :)09:23
jdongespecially if written by me09:23
Tonio_jdong: I'm looking at the deps.... it seems to be okay indeed09:25
jdongTonio_: you really don't trust me when I say I tested it, do you ;-)09:25
jdongI break flash once, and nobody will ever take my word when it comes to QA ever again :D09:26
Tonio_jdong: when I'm doing something I'm not used to, I don't trust ANYONE ! :)09:26
Tonio_jdong: do you have a dapper chroot ?09:27
Tonio_I don't here and I'd like to build before upload09:27
jdongTonio_: I have dapper pbuilders, and dapper vmware boxes09:27
Tonio_jdong: can I send you the source package for building ?09:28
jdongTonio_: sure09:28
Tonio_jdong: once you confirm it builds, I'll upload :)09:29
jdongk, gonna grab it09:30
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jdongTonio_: successful build09:32
Tonio_jdong: let's go09:34
Tonio_jdong: done09:35
jdongTonio_: alright; let's see what happens :)09:35
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Tonio_hi GNUro09:37
GNUroHi Tonio_!=)09:37
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=== mhb pokes Riddell
mhbRiddell: I saw you were the only one from Kubuntu to contribute to the table here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current09:47
mhbRiddell: since more people want to test dailies (and I don't want to edit the devs' pages) our team is going to use the table here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Current09:49
n8k99imbrandon: having some trouble with amarok/edgy/powerbook09:56
jdongTonio_: whoo! looks like that backport worked :D09:57
Tonio_jdong: great ;)09:59
Riddellmhb: great10:12
Riddellmhb: but the trouble with that page is it gets wiped when we start testing a new build10:12
mhbRiddell: you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current, right? Yes, that's one of the reasons why we're using our own in Testing/Kubuntu/Current10:14
mhbRiddell: better to say - are going to use10:14
Tonio_jdong: sorry but I don't understanf10:15
jdongI'l do it :)10:15
Tonio_according to mdz, you are responsible for backports, but you don't have upload rights ?10:15
mdzTonio_: backports aren't usually uploaded at all; they're copied from the development branch10:16
Tonio_mdz: ah, that's why10:16
Riddellmhb: ah, I see, cool10:16
Tonio_mdz: I though it was generally simple uploads as usual10:16
mhbRiddell: what do you think? Will you contribute to our table or stick to the main one?10:17
mhbRiddell: or should we sync the two somehow?10:17
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Tonio_Riddell: have you managed to fix kdesu with 3.5.5 ?10:18
Tonio_jdong: so what do you want me to do on the ticket ?10:18
Riddellmhb: if people are just testing dailys as they have time then it should go on a separate page, if we're testing CDs so we know we can make a release that should go on the normal page10:18
jdongTonio_: I've got it handled from here10:18
jdongTonio_: it looks good for a backport10:18
RiddellTonio_: yes, packages are updated (no change in version numbers)10:18
Tonio_jdong: I did as you say "also affect upstream: dapper-backports"10:18
Tonio_Riddell: perfect ;)10:19
jdongTonio_: yep10:19
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Tonio_jdong: would be nice if you can do that :) It's a pain rebuilding it each time I install a lamp machine :)10:20
mhbRiddell: we're going to test dailies once a week, I guess ... but I hope the info will be useful for you nevertheless10:20
mhbRiddell: and when you need the "release CD testers" we can help out as well10:21
Riddellmhb: yes, it's always useful to test dailies10:21
mhbeveryone: I'm doing a list of the stuff the Kubuntu Testers should check in Edgy (there was an old list, but it needs improvement) ... what do you think should be tested the most?10:24
mhbI know it's hard to say right now, we'll have more time for edgy+1 but we want to help finalize Edgy as well10:25
Riddellmhb: seen https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Short ?10:27
Riddelland  /Long ?10:27
Riddellwe need a Long Kubuntu10:28
mhbRiddell: sure, I copied it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Introduction10:28
mhbRiddell: but I guess there is room for improvement, so I wanted to know what the devs think about it10:29
mhbor what are the most likely problems in Edgy10:31
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Riddellupgrade from dapper is biggest problem10:32
alleemhb: IMHO most likely problems' should be an extra paragraph at the end of short, that is updated as new features appear10:33
mhbI agree, we should test upgrading as well10:37
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seaLneit never seems to work in kubuntu compared to ubuntu10:50
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RiddellseaLne: because we don't have the dist-upgrade tool (yet)10:57
Tonio_Riddell: interested in an openwengo package in universe ?10:58
HawkwindRiddell: It's not a rush, but I've sent you an email.  I do hope you got it ok10:58
Tonio_Riddell: uvf exception request can still be done I assume10:58
RiddellTonio_: openwengo package would be cool10:58
Tonio_Riddell: I will try, but that's a MESS to package10:58
Tonio_a mix of cmake + scons.......10:59
Tonio_okay let's go :-(10:59
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RiddellHawkwind: when?  what subject?10:59
HawkwindRiddell: About 30 minutes ago maybe, about a potential op10:59
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mhbare there bug reports about Dapper->Edgy upgrade in LP already?11:02
Riddelldon't think so11:02
mhbshould we make some?11:02
Riddellpython-qt/kde is the main culprit, at least of stuff we control11:02
Riddellmhb: can do11:03
mhbRiddell: what package, then?11:03
Tonio_Riddell: did you knew there was a firefox extention version of wengophone ? that's kickass, really....... !11:04
mhbRiddell: kubuntu-meta, I guess ... is it ok?11:07
Riddellmhb: good as any11:08
mhbwell, good night to you all, I'm too tired to think ... thanks for every single piece of help and info you've given me11:08
mhbyou're all doing great work11:10
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HawkwindRiddell: Did you get the email ?  The first one I sent to you got returned for some reason11:37
RiddellHawkwind: don't think I did11:38
HawkwindI sent the first to jriddell@ubuntu.com and that got returned11:38
HawkwindThen I tried a jr@riddell.org or something11:38
Riddellthey both go through the same spam filter11:39
Riddellsend it to jr @muse.19inch .net and send me the bounce message too if you can11:39
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HawkwindRiddell: Ok.  I've sent the bounce message and resent the original message11:42
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