| EnolaGay | For someone who is interested. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/64448 | 12:15 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64448 in kdepim "news part doesn't work in Kontact in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:15 |
| EnolaGay | Good night everybody. | 12:16 |
| EnolaGay | and thanks for edgy :) | 12:16 |
| nixternal | bug 36247 | 12:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36247 in kdepim "Kontact sidebar with knode even if knode not installed" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36247 | 12:20 |
| nixternal | the search tool is amazing | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: just finished to port the patch to 3.5.5 | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | 5 lines modified on a file | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | nothing that should impact your stuff | 12:22 |
| nixternal | how is 3.5.5? | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: great ! | 12:22 |
| nixternal | im kind of scared to mess with it right now since xorg-driver-fglrx is still trashed | 12:22 |
| nixternal | oh well, didn't take much, but you just sold me Tonio_ ;) | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: only known issue at the moment is unstability with kate, but I have a patch to test... | 12:23 |
| nixternal | rogert hat | 12:23 |
| nixternal | i cannot find the kde 3.5.5 link anymore for the repos...link me please ;) | 12:33 |
| jdong | xeros: phoronix, yes, | 12:41 |
| gnomefreak | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages | 12:43 |
| gnomefreak | http://kubuntu.org edgy Release | 12:43 |
| gnomefreak | or that one i cant remember | 12:43 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main | 12:44 |
| gnomefreak | wonder how i got the other ones :( | 12:44 |
| gnomefreak | update checks repos i dont even have | 12:44 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 01:48 |
| nixternal | alrighty..updating to 3.5.5 now | 01:51 |
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| DaSkreech | Hi guys | 07:01 |
| Jucato | hi DaSkreech | 07:01 |
| DaSkreech | Hello | 07:01 |
| DaSkreech | So what's new? | 07:07 |
| DaSkreech | I've been out for like 3 weeks | 07:07 |
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| Jucato | lol | 08:00 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: we dont support dist-upgrades from breezy and hoary, iirc | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | not directly , breezy to dapper to edgy | 09:34 |
| DaSkreech | HOW DO YOU PLAN ON ENFORCING THAT? | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | true | 09:35 |
| DaSkreech | Ack caps | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: easy. packages break if they do. | 09:35 |
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| imbrandon | DaSkreech, simple, say sorry you broke your system | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: we only support the current stable with the replaces, provides, etc | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | ie, the transitional packages only are from breezy-->dapper, and dapper--> edgy | 09:36 |
| DaSkreech | What's on the feature list of r edgy? | 09:36 |
| DaSkreech | Powermanger | 09:36 |
| DaSkreech | Looks pretty | 09:36 |
| DaSkreech | Anything else? | 09:36 |
| Jucato | KubuntuKDEMedia, KDE System Settings | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, wow read the last 3 release notes pages ;) | 09:36 |
| DaSkreech | I can't sell people on System settings :) | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | *and it was soo peacefull before* | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, who are we "selling" to ? | 09:37 |
| === Jucato whistles... | ||
| DaSkreech | A) Linux Luddites | 09:37 |
| DaSkreech | B) People who think that Computers are nightmares :) | 09:37 |
| DaSkreech | Though I guess I really should put them on Dapper | 09:38 |
| DaSkreech | But edgy is so pretty :-( | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, that makes no sense, how is that remotely development related | 09:38 |
| DaSkreech | Well... I guess features would have to be developed? | 09:39 |
| DaSkreech | It's 3:00 AM give me a break | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | we are well past feature freeze | 09:39 |
| DaSkreech | I've also been out of the loop for three weeks | 09:39 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: really? Didn't know that, sorry | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | right thats why i said read up ;) | 09:39 |
| Jucato | or sleep first then read up :) | 09:39 |
| DaSkreech | Good idea | 09:39 |
| DaSkreech | has DU gone yet? | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | DU ? | 09:40 |
| DaSkreech | Akademy finished I think | 09:40 |
| mhb | good morning | 09:40 |
| Jucato | some things look better after some sleep :P | 09:40 |
| DaSkreech | Morning mhb | 09:40 |
| DaSkreech | Oh and good morning imbrandon and Hobbsee | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | hey DaSkreech | 09:41 |
| DaSkreech | imbrandon: The google campus thingy | 09:41 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: how come it's not supported when the releases still are? | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | UDS ? ubuntu developers summit , thats in november | 09:41 |
| DaSkreech | Ok | 09:41 |
| DaSkreech | Good :) | 09:41 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: my common sense told me the people who use those two are more likely to upgrade | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: tell them to upgrade from breezy --> dapper, then dapper --> edgy. otherwise, you're right | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | mhb, becosue thats not the upgrade path ( and hoary is at the EOL ) | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: the transitional packages are all messed if you try to skip releases | 09:42 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Are we going to be using pdiffs in edgy? | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | say wha? | 09:44 |
| imbrandon | no | 09:44 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt know what they are | ||
| === Hobbsee is running out the door | ||
| DaSkreech | damn :-( | 09:45 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: hm, I find it a bit silly (downloading twice as much data just even though you don't need 1/2 ) but ok | 09:45 |
| DaSkreech | is there a kickoff package? | 09:45 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, no | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: then download an iso :P | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | and clean install | 09:45 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: personal data anyone ? :o) | 09:46 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: and backup /home. duh :P | 09:47 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I know there is always a way (back up,install,restore) | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | well, most people make those backups anyway | 09:47 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: It's not for me, you know .o) I just find it a bit silly and inconvenient, that's all | 09:49 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: your way is what I would do in Slackware, not Ubuntu :o) | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | well, you can try | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | you just might have some more problems | 09:50 |
| imbrandon | mhb, you will end up with tons o broken stuff becouse of the transitions | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | thas like going directly from woody to sid | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:51 |
| mhb | yeah, I guess so | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | ditto unofficial repos | 09:52 |
| mhb | there's no use of doing it with these two but can't we somehow avoid it for the future? | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | how, sorry? | 09:54 |
| mhb | somehow stabilize the meta-packages, test if it's working and fix bugs in the upgrade process (that's more of my work) | 09:56 |
| mhb | etc | 09:56 |
| mhb | or improve the upgrade process so that it doesn't break (almost) anything | 09:57 |
| === Hobbsee nods | ||
| Hobbsee | mhb: poke me about this stuff when i come home again, and am here for a while. i've been thinking about this stuff too | 09:58 |
| === Hobbsee has to be at work in 2 min. ouch | ||
| mhb | I guess most of the people should stay with Dapper anyway, but Edgy+1 should be more "not edgy" again, right? | 09:59 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: ok, see you | 09:59 |
| Jucato | excuse me, is mornfall the only one able to change/fix Adept? | 09:59 |
| Jucato | kde bug 133388 | 10:00 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133388 | 10:00 |
| mhb | anyone can do it | 10:03 |
| Jucato | ah ok. just wondering if it has any hope of being fixed before final release. otherwise we have an incomplete Adept.. | 10:05 |
| mhb | Jucato: yeah, there are some more, like bug 47181 | 10:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181 | 10:07 |
| Jucato | ouch... | 10:07 |
| mhb | Jucato: so we have 50% of adept translated because a bug's somewhere in it | 10:08 |
| Jucato | not good, not good at all... :( | 10:09 |
| mhb | Jucato: well, my hands are tied :o) as you know, I am but a simple tester | 10:09 |
| Jucato | yeah... I hope someone fixes it. as we both can't... :( | 10:10 |
| mhb | wow, it looks like everything's disabled there for me | 10:15 |
| mhb | almost | 10:15 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: if kipi-plugins hasn't appeared that's because it'll be stuck in NEW | 11:31 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah kamion told me... | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is there a url to check the new queue ? | 12:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: source new is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue | 12:07 |
| Riddell | but I'm yet to find anything showing binary new | 12:07 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, thats binary and source , see some say (source) and some say (arch) | 12:08 |
| imbrandon | btw moins | 12:09 |
| imbrandon | also the icons show the open box is source, the closed box is binary | 12:09 |
| Riddell | ah, but of course :) | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks, I forgot that one existed | 12:14 |
| Riddell | ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main should work | 12:15 |
| Riddell | sebas: ^^ | 12:15 |
| Riddell | mhb: ^^ | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I should give you the link the new 3.5.5 packages with sime's patches and a fix for kate segfault | 12:15 |
| Riddell | for i386 only, others uploading now | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I also uploaded 3.5.4 package with _Sime's changes | 12:16 |
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| mhb | thanks | 12:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: bah, now we're all out of sync | 12:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: got the links to the patches? | 12:21 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: will send them to you once I confirm the kate patch works :) | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will ping you in a moment | 12:34 |
| freeflying | Riddell: do we need firefox-themes-kubuntu? | 12:41 |
| toma | Tonio_: when you have a second can you help me? | 12:42 |
| toma | or Riddell... | 12:43 |
| Riddell | toma: hi | 12:44 |
| toma | Riddell: hi | 12:44 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I don't know if it's technically possible, it wasn't the last time I looked (firefox was just hard coded to use the ubuntu theme) but they did say that was going to change | 12:44 |
| toma | Riddell: I want to depend on libkmime, which is part of the kdepim source package, but I can not find a header package for that... | 12:45 |
| Riddell | toma: got an example of a header file you would like? | 12:46 |
| toma | Riddell: kmime_message.h | 12:46 |
| toma | Riddell: linking is no problem, libkmime is fine. Only the -dev package seems missing | 12:54 |
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| Riddell | toma: it looks like it just isn't installed by kdepim, although I'm not sure why not looking at the Makefile.am | 12:57 |
| Riddell | toma: you'd need to ask kdepim dudes if there's a reason it isn't installed (i.e. the API is private) | 12:57 |
| toma | Riddell: eiks | 12:57 |
| toma | Riddell: ok, will do that. | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I'm not very available today sorry... | 01:02 |
| toma | Riddell: pending the answer on that question, should I import a copy and link statically, or only copy the headers and depend on the package? | 01:14 |
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| nuku | hi.. why does the kdebase package has got a Build-Conflicts: nvidia-glx? | 01:26 |
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| === Hobbsee is back | ||
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| sivang | hey Hobbsee | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | hey sivang! | 01:55 |
| === Hobbsee thought sivang wasnt a kde-type person | ||
| sivang | I'm still undecisive. I was once a KDE only user, FYI :) | 01:55 |
| sivang | I have both kubnutu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed now, I'm using application from KDE interchangbly. | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh... | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 01:56 |
| sivang | Konqueror seems to succed where no browser has succeded before. | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:57 |
| === Hobbsee thumps konq | ||
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| === Hobbsee has a severe dislike of konq as a web browser | ||
| Hobbsee | hey neoncode | 01:57 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: why so? | 01:58 |
| neoncode | hey Hobbsee | 01:58 |
| neoncode | I just installed Kubuntu Knot 3. =) | 01:58 |
| sivang | I'm also curious about KDE packaging as well ;-) | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: it doesnt handle one of my 3 bank sites. at all. | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: not that different to gnome | 01:58 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: handle all of mine , while firefox can't , and it managd quite well with visitscotland.com while firefox just *chocked* to death | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: ahhh... | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: i hit the https:// bank bug. | 02:00 |
| === highvoltage thinks konqueror is quite a good web browser | ||
| Hobbsee | which makes it useless for that banking site, if i try to use it | 02:02 |
| neoncode | Hey, how stable is Knot 3? | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | should be. ish | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | enough | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | as stable as any of it id | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | *is | 02:03 |
| neoncode | Right. | 02:07 |
| neoncode | I just installed it and told adept to install mplayer-mozilla and it said it would break. However I hade't applyed updates at that point so i'm doing that now then I'll try again. | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | try with apt-get | 02:12 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if adept is being worked on in kubuntu ever again. | ||
| neoncode | Has adept being abandoned? | 02:13 |
| neoncode | *been | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | neoncode: not abandoned per se. i'm not sure. i'd have to look up the logs to see exactly what was said. | 02:14 |
| neoncode | Well, what's replaceing it? | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | dunno | 02:15 |
| neoncode | Hmmm. Oh how close is Edgy to a full release? | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure if they'll examine smart again. maybe it's not mature enough yet | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | um. about 20 days or something? | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | !release | 02:16 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | !schedule | 02:16 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | i've been meaning to combine them. | 02:16 |
| neoncode | Ohh. | 02:16 |
| neoncode | Oh, is it possible to make the bootup screen, the usplash thing, display all the system messages again? | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | just dont ask me how | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | i believe a combination of any or all of esc, ctrl, shift, etc will do it | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | nice new artwork on g-p-m, btw | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | looks like a real battery now :) | 02:27 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: you have time now? | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yep. heya :) | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ping? | 02:46 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: hi | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: heya. [whisper] when will 3.5.5 be released? are you releasing it? [/whisper] | 02:48 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: 11th is the official date | 02:48 |
| Riddell | I've asked for an UVF exception | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahhh...so i see. that wasnt there when i last looked. | 02:49 |
| Riddell | if we get that I'll probably upload toot sweet since we can't really wait for long with big changes like that | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | any word on the exception yet? | 02:49 |
| Riddell | not yet | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: how are the dapper packages? | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ie, are they made? | 02:50 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: made and uploaded | 02:51 |
| Riddell | testing now welcome | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: okay. | 02:51 |
| Riddell | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: excellent. | 02:51 |
| === Hobbsee nods | ||
| mhb | Riddell: is the kde bug 135O45 fixed in the packages ? It's marked as resolved... | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | kde 135045 | 02:53 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135045 | 02:53 |
| Riddell | mhb: I believe Tonio_ uploaded that to the ubuntu archive, it's not in the 3.5.5 packages yet | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right, so will it be? | 02:54 |
| nuku | Riddell: could you explain to me why kdebase has Build-Conflicts: nvidia-glx please? | 02:59 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: kde release dude is making new kdelibs and kdebase tars so I'll rebuild with them | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: nice, okay | 03:01 |
| Riddell | nuku: not sure I'm afraid, we probably get that from debian, try looking in the changelog | 03:03 |
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| nuku | Riddell: it's not mentioned there :( | 03:04 |
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| nuku | some other packages seem to mention it: "Please never ever build your opengl based packages with nvidia-glx package installed." ..hmm | 03:09 |
| Riddell | 14:09 < MadCoder> Riddell: because if you don't do so, the kdebase depends upon nvidia-glx because of the shlibs | 03:10 |
| Riddell | 14:09 < MadCoder> that's me that put the build-conflict | 03:10 |
| Riddell | nuku: ^^ | 03:10 |
| nuku | ok thank you.. so i guess it will be fine for a personal build :) | 03:11 |
| Riddell | for local use, yes | 03:11 |
| Riddell | but not if sharing with others | 03:11 |
| nuku | yep sure.. | 03:11 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah I uploaded sime stuff for 3.5.4 | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I had to port the patches for 3.5.5, I tested them and that's fine. | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm emailing the patches to you. | 03:22 |
| sivang | I wonder, the only active channel during the weekend seems to be this :) | 03:24 |
| sivang | that is, highly active | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: the non-idiotic one, anyway | 03:24 |
| === Hobbsee rolls her eyes at -devel | ||
| sivang | Hobbsee: what do you mean? | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: see the "she?" comment? yes, duh. she. i'm unlikely to make a typo over my own gender. then he doesnt even get the joke afterwards. | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I sent a second mail for kdelibs, I have a patch for kate segfault. works for me, but I wait for other feedbacki to report it works on kde bts | 03:25 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: ah, sorry, I must have ignored it automatically then | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: was a while ago | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm leaving today, will not be there toonight so if you have questions, it is for now :) | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: make sure that your machine stays up this time :P | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it will :) don't worry about it :) | 03:26 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:26 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | hey bddebian | 03:28 |
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| bddebian | Heya Hobbsee | 03:28 |
| sivang | hey bddebian | 03:31 |
| bddebian | Heya sivang | 03:32 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: what's the plan for upgrading kopete? i dont have a fast build machine at the moment. aside from that, how does the base tarball get generated for it? | 04:38 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll have time on monday to work on kopete if you want | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | I finished the work for kipi-plugins and kde-guidance. | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i'd appreciate that, thanks | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: and do tell me how you do it :) | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | when they've only released 0.12.3 in the kdenetwork source | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: email me your infos (latest sources url etc...) I'll do it | 04:44 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: latest source is the kde 3.5.5 source, latest kopete is the one currently in edgy. | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: received my mails ? | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | i've yet to find a changelog for 0.12.3, actually | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yeah I have to compare the versions.... | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: want an email reminder anywya about it? | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | we can patch kdenetwork if the diff is acceptable size, but it that's too big, I think we'll have to separate it | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes that would be nice since I don't have the full kopete historic | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | I remember we separated it from kdenetwork once | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: we've split it before. | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | that's all I know :) | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: it's still split | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | we could always shove it back in kdenetwork, if we wanted, but they seem to like releasing out of cycle | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: let's rediscuss this on monday okay ? | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | I'll have to focus on someone else this WE hehe :) | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: will do. | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | oh, it's only sunday morning, not monday morning. | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | sorry, Tonio_ | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | she's not there very often :) | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: smart, focussing on a woman. | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | enjoy | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: heh, no problem don't worry, just that she's only there 3 days in a week; so she doesn't accept the computer during that time hehe :) | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: focussing on THE woman :) | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: sounds good to me. yes. the woman. | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | leaving ;) seya on monday | 04:48 |
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| Hobbsee | cya | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: if you wanna test something usefull on that we, how about testing wengophone ? | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | you'll find it on my repo : http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org | 04:49 |
| === Hobbsee nods | ||
| Hobbsee | may do | 04:49 |
| === Hobbsee has to sleep, go to work again, and actually do her comp tute today. | ||
| freeflying | Tonio_: Hobbsee can you reproduce malone #35760 | 04:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35760 in scim-qtimm "dapper f5: konsole transparency" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35760 | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | a few issues but I think riddell and imbrandon have managed to do interesting things with it :) | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: I have to leave, will look at that on monday. that bug is on my todo list. | 04:50 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: thanks | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: i dont use skim | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: works fine here. | 04:52 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: thanks, seems I'd reject it :) | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: i believe it was due to skim stuff, henc ei could never reproduce it | 04:52 |
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| freeflying | Hobbsee: when they use en_US locale, skim scim scim-qtimm stuffs will not be used indeed, so I wonder how can tghey interfere | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: at least that's what we found the cause of it was | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | but i'd get the skim type people to test on 3.5.5 and see if it's still there | 04:54 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: but I can not reproduce, and the author too :) | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | good point | 04:55 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: thanks | 04:59 |
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| freeflying_ | how can malone #52670 be a bug to kubuntu? | 05:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52670 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird uses konqueror as web browser" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52670 | 05:16 |
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| Hobbsee | freeflying_: in the way we set the default browser settings | 05:19 |
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| freeflying_ | Hobbsee: ya, so it isn't a bug to kubuntu | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying_: well, we should be setting the xxx-alternatives, or something like ti | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | so that the default browser in kde is the same all over, for each user | 05:21 |
| Jucato | x-www-browser | 05:22 |
| freeflying_ | Hobbsee: I don't think so, in kubuntu, the default should be konqueror, not the orthers | 05:22 |
| Jucato | or www-browser? | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying_: yes, but what if you change it? | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: that's them | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | whichever | 05:22 |
| Jucato | heh... | 05:22 |
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| freeflying_ | Hobbsee: I'd prefer reject it | 05:23 |
| freeflying_ | :) | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | to squish another bug, yes :P | 05:23 |
| freeflying_ | heh | 05:24 |
| fdoving | wouldn't running 'update-alternatives' from k-d-s be a nice way? | 05:24 |
| fdoving | or make a program to do it, like a wizard or something. easily undoable of course, with a config that apt wont reset every time k-d-s is updated. | 05:26 |
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| sebas | Riddell: Installing the dapper packages now | 06:18 |
| marseillai | Riddell: kdevelop-dev package don't depend on automake and autoconf but it is needed to use kdevelop. is it normal ? | 06:19 |
| fdoving | marseillai: yes, kdevelop-dev depends on kdevelop,which depends on automake and autoconf etc. | 06:38 |
| marseillai | fdoving: sudo apt-get remove automake1.9 remove only automake so kdevelop don't seem to depend on it | 06:39 |
| marseillai | it should but it isn't | 06:39 |
| marseillai | no? | 06:40 |
| marseillai | may be i'm wrong | 06:40 |
| fdoving | sorry, my bad, misread. it recommends automake and autoconf. | 06:41 |
| marseillai | yes for kdevelop | 06:42 |
| marseillai | but i think kdevelop-dev should depend on it an not only recommand it | 06:42 |
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| Tm_T | what is "apt-index-watch" ? | 06:43 |
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| jeroenvrp | apt-index-watcher | 06:51 |
| fdoving | Tm_T: it's used to rebuild the apt-front indexes when you, for example run 'apt-get update' or 'aptitude update' instead of say adept -> fetch updates, or synaptics -> update. | 06:51 |
| jeroenvrp | do I need it? it eats 100% cpu every aprox. few sec. | 06:51 |
| fdoving | it does what i just wrote to :) | 06:53 |
| fdoving | -to | 06:53 |
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| jeroenvrp | fdoving: I just noticed it today after the daily upgrade | 06:53 |
| jeroenvrp | fdoving: what it does is known, but why should it take up 100% every 5 sec | 06:55 |
| Tm_T | fdoving: ok, I use only apt-get, and now that stuff eats my cpu | 06:56 |
| fdoving | that's probably not intentional. | 06:56 |
| jeroenvrp | fdoving: thats what I presume | 06:56 |
| fdoving | not for long anyway.. and if it doesn't already, it should be patched to run at lowest priority possible. | 06:56 |
| jeroenvrp | ok; but do we really needed | 06:57 |
| jeroenvrp | need it? | 06:57 |
| fdoving | if you use apt-get/aptitude for all your package-stuff, no. | 06:57 |
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| Tm_T | mooh, I reboot, maybe that frees my cpu -> | 06:58 |
| Riddell | sebas: any luck with 3.5.5 | 07:08 |
| Riddell | ? | 07:08 |
| Riddell | marseillai: yes, you can use kdevelop with non C/C++ languages | 07:09 |
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| sebas | Riddell: Looks good, no regressions on dapper. | 07:09 |
| sebas | I'm now upgrading this installation to Edgy | 07:09 |
| Riddell | sebas: excellent | 07:10 |
| sebas | Yeah, is 3.5.5 already in Edgy? | 07:10 |
| Riddell | sebas: no | 07:10 |
| Riddell | but it's on kubuntu.org | 07:11 |
| sebas | Not that either is released anyway ;-) | 07:11 |
| Riddell | yes | 07:11 |
| sebas | Riddell: btw, I'm in Edinburgh for a mid-week in late december with Kim | 07:11 |
| sebas | Just so you can book tickets to run away ;-) | 07:11 |
| Riddell | sebas: ooh, rocking | 07:12 |
| Riddell | sebas: pre-hogmanay? | 07:12 |
| sebas | hogmanay? | 07:13 |
| Riddell | the big party | 07:13 |
| Riddell | last day of the year | 07:13 |
| sebas | Ow, that one :) | 07:13 |
| sebas | Right before i18("Christmas") | 07:13 |
| sebas | 18-23rd indeed | 07:14 |
| sebas | So think about a doubledate or something like that | 07:14 |
| Riddell | my birthday is the 24th, maybe I should have a party | 07:15 |
| Riddell | an early party | 07:15 |
| === sebas wonders how apt deals with 3.5.5 kde packages in dapper upgrading to edgy | ||
| sebas | Sounds good, we're leaving 22nd, early morning | 07:16 |
| Riddell | sebas: the edgy ones on kubuntu.org have a larger version number | 07:16 |
| sebas | Ah, cheater ;) | 07:16 |
| Riddell | sebas: who do we want to come to the ubuntu summit? | 07:17 |
| sebas | What's the pool we can choose from? | 07:17 |
| Riddell | we have john tapsell, Sebastian Kuegler, Nuno Pinheiro, Benjamin Meyer, Celeste Lyn Paul and Josef Spillner | 07:17 |
| Riddell | but only 5 places | 07:17 |
| sebas | Hm, hard decision. | 07:17 |
| Riddell | I want you for being cool, nuno for artistry, celeste for usability | 07:18 |
| sebas | Though I'm definitely for having Celeste there, meetings without usability peeps are not hip anymore | 07:18 |
| Riddell | exactly | 07:18 |
| sebas | Yeah, Ben for kcontrol stuff might make a lot of sense as well | 07:18 |
| === sebas for being cool cannot be underestimated of course ;-) | ||
| Riddell | yes, I've not got hold of him to confirm he can come | 07:19 |
| sebas | I'll try not to return with black eye in the morning, btw. | 07:19 |
| Jucato | :) | 07:19 |
| sebas | I see little direct relation between John, Josef and Ben to Kubuntu otherwise | 07:20 |
| sebas | Doesn't make any decision easier though | 07:20 |
| sebas | Riddell: I'm thinking about tackling the decoupling of release cycles for UDS, btw. | 07:22 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 07:22 |
| sebas | 355 and edgy only shows that it makes more sense | 07:22 |
| sebas | Not that this situation is too likely to repeat itself in the future, but it would be cool if we could release Kubuntu together with KDE4 | 07:22 |
| Riddell | sebas: together with kde 4 is uber complex because kde 3 and kde 4 don't sit alongside each other | 07:23 |
| sebas | That would be pretty cool for Kubuntu, first platform to release kde4 or something like that ... | 07:23 |
| Riddell | so we'd lose any kde 3 apps not ported to kde 4, like most of extragear and koffice | 07:23 |
| sebas | Riddell: Challenging! ;) | 07:23 |
| sebas | Hm, I thought it was possible | 07:24 |
| sebas | That's an extremely uncomfortable migration path | 07:24 |
| Riddell | sebas: well it's possible if you put it in /opt and change the default path, but debian-policy (which is used by ubuntu) says everything much go in /usr | 07:25 |
| sebas | Hm, still messy. | 07:25 |
| sebas | How does Debian deal with KDE major version bumps? | 07:26 |
| sebas | (i.e. looks like the policy is broken for real world usecases) | 07:26 |
| Riddell | sebas: last times it just said that would can only have one kde major version installed at a time | 07:26 |
| sebas | Well, that sucks. | 07:27 |
| sebas | I mean, realistically, that's just not an option. | 07:27 |
| Riddell | which as do-able for kde 1 -> 2 because there weren't that many apps, and for 2 -> 3 the porting was fairly easy | 07:27 |
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| Tm_T | fdoving: what's wrong with that apt-index-watcher, it keeps eating my cpu | 07:27 |
| Riddell | but 3 -> 4 is a tricky port and we have more apps than ever | 07:27 |
| sebas | Porting 3 to 4 is probably not easy, if done well. | 07:27 |
| sebas | Yeah, all that phonon and solid goodness ... :) | 07:27 |
| fdoving | Tm_T: don't know. you can try to stop it, or remove it. '/etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher stop' to stop, and 'update-rc.d -f apt-index-watcher remove' to disable from startup. | 07:28 |
| marseillai | <Riddell> marseillai: yes, you can use kdevelop with non C/C++ languages -------->> oki i understand for kdevelop! but for kdevelop-dev packages i think it should be usefull! no? | 07:29 |
| Tm_T | fdoving: thanks, I just did kill it =) | 07:29 |
| sebas | Where are the 355 edgy packages? | 07:30 |
| Tm_T | ahh, loads dropped immediately | 07:30 |
| sebas | Same URL as dapper, but s/dapper/edgy? | 07:30 |
| fdoving | guess so. | 07:30 |
| fdoving | http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ | 07:30 |
| sebas | Thanks fdoving | 07:33 |
| fdoving | :) | 07:33 |
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| mhb | um ... what is the preferred way to upgrade from Kubuntu Dapper -> Edgy (i.e. the way that I should test)? | 08:07 |
| Jucato | mhb: afaik, just change the "dapper" words into "edgy" in sources.list | 08:08 |
| mhb | switch "dapper" to "edgy" in sources.list and then run an upgrade through Adept? | 08:08 |
| mhb | Jucato: ok, thanks | 08:09 |
| fdoving | we should make a simple script to basically replace dapper/edgy in sources.list, telling users to do it manually is a mess. | 08:26 |
| fdoving | it's a oneliner in perl. could make it take two arguments like 'chdist-sources dapper edgy' would replace all dapper instances with edgy.. or something like that. | 08:28 |
| fdoving | telling users to run a command is easier than explaining what they should change in what file, and how to save with the text editor. etc. | 08:29 |
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| === sebas wants serenity for Edgy! | ||
| sebas | http://ariya.blogspot.com/2006/10/too-many-lines-will-kill-you.html | 08:33 |
| sebas | Riddell: Does it make sense to have klaptopdaemon in kcontrol, or is it me? | 08:41 |
| Tm_T | sebas: I'll try that style, thanks for hint | 08:45 |
| sebas | Tm_T: Cool :) | 08:47 |
| Tm_T | though that possibly doesn't change much in my desktop | 08:48 |
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| imbrandon | fdoving, sure here is your one liner with no script needed or extra packages installed , tell them " sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list " | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:53 |
| Riddell | sebas: if you use kcontrol you're on your own :) | 08:54 |
| sebas | Riddell: Ow, right. I accept that as "it's me" | 08:54 |
| sebas | Edgy feels smooth and fast, btw. | 08:55 |
| sebas | No regressions I've found yet. | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | man i wish my c++ was not so rusty, i would really like to see/drive a spec for adept/other package manager | 08:55 |
| Riddell | sebas: how did you upgrade? | 08:56 |
| imbrandon | YESS !! new hdd just showed up, no more laptop only for me !!! | 08:57 |
| sebas | s/dapper/edgy in sources.list | 08:57 |
| sebas | And then dist-upgrade | 08:57 |
| sebas | I had to 'manually' install the python packages, those wouldn't upgrade without first removeing the 2.4 stuff | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | i dident have to remove them but i had to tell python to manualy install | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | s/them/2.4 | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | they were "held back" | 08:59 |
| sebas | Yeah, that's what I did | 08:59 |
| sebas | Boils down to put a little more force into it | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, i think i fixed the usplash issue too earlier today too, if you hear any more complaints please tell them to poke me and i'll relook at it | 09:01 |
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| Tm_T | sebas: there's multiple things I sorta hate :( | 09:11 |
| sebas | Tm_T: Such as? | 09:12 |
| Tm_T | I think I take a pic | 09:12 |
| sebas | Ok | 09:12 |
| Tm_T | or maybe I try to explain afterall :p | 09:19 |
| Tm_T | in treeview, there's ugly "buttons" instead of just symbol | 09:19 |
| Tm_T | same thing goes in menu | 09:20 |
| Tm_T | buttons instead of only symbol | 09:20 |
| Tm_T | or hmm, maybe that's my settings, triplechecking | 09:21 |
| Tm_T | no, that's in style | 09:23 |
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| Riddell | imbrandon: what did you do? | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, removed the --set and added a remove of the old old ( dapper ) alternative and the new alternative and use the weight number to set it higher than dappers ( was 20 dan dappers was 50, so now the wieght is 55 ) | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | so should work on upgrades from dapper clean still AND not reset ( via --set ) every time k-d-s is uploaded | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, did that make sense ? | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | Went from : | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so 55 | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | update-alternatives --set usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | update-initramfs -u | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | To : | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so 55 | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | update-initramfs -u | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | s/55/20 in the first one | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | the --set was causing everyones usplash to be reset to kubuntu no matter what they had set using update-alternatives manualy | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | everytime we uploaded k-d-s | 10:06 |
| mhb | Riddell: sorry to bother you but the lines from the hwdb-kde were not added into Rosetta like I suggested to you | 10:16 |
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| gnomefreak | imbrandon: you fixed it? | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak, i'm about 98% sure i have, but some tests would be nice | 10:29 |
| mhb | hi kwwii | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | heya kwwii | 10:29 |
| gnomefreak | you go it i will remove k-d-s and install it to make sure. | 10:29 |
| gnomefreak | ack | 10:29 |
| gnomefreak | not sure if i want to do that :( | 10:29 |
| gnomefreak | just remembered what that stood for | 10:30 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | probably not ;) | 10:30 |
| gnomefreak | not too bad | 10:30 |
| gnomefreak | i can do this | 10:30 |
| gnomefreak | it only removes k-d-s and -desktop | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak, make sure its 6.10-55 k-d-s installing ( i dont know if its built yet , i just uploaded it a few hours ago ) | 10:31 |
| gnomefreak | k | 10:31 |
| gnomefreak | thats the one | 10:32 |
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| kwwii | mhb, imbrandon, howdy | 10:40 |
| fdoving | imbrandon, yeah i know that -we- can do it easily. the idea is to make it easier for regular users that don't know sed/perl/etc. having a simple command or a button to push, is the way to go imho. | 10:45 |
| mhb | kwwii: did you hear the responses to your new battery icon? | 10:46 |
| mhb | kwwii: some people (including myself) found the concept good, but the icon itself seems out of place due to the lack of colours | 10:47 |
| fdoving | i agree to that. would be nice with some colors. | 10:48 |
| fdoving | does it go red when the batterylevel becomes low/critical? | 10:48 |
| kwwii | mhb: I think that is becuase it is an oxygen icon | 10:50 |
| kwwii | mhb: I have another idea...just need to sit down and draw it | 10:50 |
| kwwii | probably tomorrow or monday | 10:50 |
| mhb | kwwii: ok | 10:50 |
| kwwii | mhb: thanks for pointing it out | 10:50 |
| kwwii | the old one had too much color, the new one too little :p | 10:51 |
| sebas | grmpf. | 10:52 |
| mhb | kwwii: no problem I'm glad you're open to feedback :o) | 10:52 |
| sebas | Linking /bin/sh to /bin/dash rather than /bin/bash has it's drawbacks. | 10:52 |
| mhb | sebas: what's the problem? | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | sebas, yea it does but its been beat to death on the -devel ML 4 or 5 times each with month long threads soooo | 10:53 |
| sebas | ati drivers wouldn't install without changing the link back. | 10:53 |
| sebas | Yeah, glad I didn't read those. | 10:54 |
| === sebas sighs. More errors in the ati installer. | ||
| sebas | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: can't parse dependency -driver-fglrx | 10:58 |
| sebas | dpkg-gencontrol: error: error occurred while parsing Depends | 10:58 |
| sebas | dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 2304 | 10:58 |
| sebas | make: *** [binary] Error 1 | 10:58 |
| sebas | Anybody any idea? | 10:58 |
| sebas | That's the result of | 10:58 |
| sebas | ./ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy | 10:58 |
| imbrandon | no clue , one reason binary drivers suck | 10:59 |
| imbrandon | but i hear ya | 10:59 |
| sebas | I'm getting pretty sick of this mess. | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | why not just install them instead of building a package ? | 11:00 |
| mhb | um... what's the current situation with libdvdcss? | 11:02 |
| imbrandon | mhb, what do you mean ?> | 11:03 |
| sebas | Hm, funky. | 11:03 |
| mhb | it's not available for installation in edgy | 11:03 |
| sebas | I've got to recompile my kernel with edgy's compiler obviously. | 11:03 |
| imbrandon | mhb, it isnt in any ubuntu official repos ( seveas has it ) | 11:03 |
| imbrandon | becosue its questionably not legal in most places | 11:03 |
| mhb | I know it's a problematic package but is there any other way how to watch my legally bought dvd in (k)ubuntu? | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | nope , just install it from seveas's repos | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | it wont ever be in the "official" repo though | 11:04 |
| mhb | I guess so | 11:05 |
| mhb | are we going to tell all users to download it from Seveas' repos? | 11:06 |
| imbrandon | mhb, yes and thats how its been since day one | 11:07 |
| imbrandon | no change | 11:07 |
| mhb | really? I must have forgotten that :o) | 11:07 |
| imbrandon | used to tell users to get it from malirat but those are built for sid so seveas are better imho | 11:08 |
| imbrandon | but its really just pref | 11:08 |
| Tm_T | sebas: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Serenity-amarok.png | 11:17 |
| sebas | Tm_T: With your colorsettings it looks like crap indeed :> | 11:18 |
| Tm_T | =) | 11:18 |
| Tm_T | sebas: well, it's fine otherwise, but those treeview "buttons" is big minus | 11:18 |
| sebas | Tm_T: Yeah | 11:19 |
| Tm_T | also notice same button thing in menu | 11:19 |
| === Tm_T thinks he could move to darker grey | ||
| === sebas likes bright and shiny | ||
| Tm_T | well, it's heavy to eyes, atleast here | 11:25 |
| Tm_T | sebas: hmm, "CDE" colour scheme seems to be interesting | 11:27 |
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| Tm_T | sebas: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Serenity-amarok2.png | 11:31 |
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| sebas | Tm_T: It fits better with the expanders, but I still don't like the colors, too little contrast | 11:31 |
| Tm_T | sebas: true, but I think I'll use this as base to my new colour scheme | 11:32 |
| Tm_T | I'm not 100 % sure about white text, but it makes everything lighter :) | 11:32 |
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| sebas | kmilo could handle them in dapper | 11:50 |
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