| poolie | ah | 00:10 |
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| poolie | i see vila updated the wiki page to be pilot again this week | 00:11 |
| james_w | hi poolie | 00:20 |
| james_w | we should have a call this week | 00:22 |
| poolie | ok | 00:27 |
| poolie | can be in 5m if you like, or earlier tomorrow | 00:27 |
| poolie | are you still in ca? | 00:28 |
| james_w | I'm not | 00:28 |
| james_w | I'm happy to chat now though | 00:32 |
| james_w | night | 01:05 |
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| poolie | spiv, want to approve or object to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/progress/+merge/15997 | 04:55 |
| poolie | it's pretty small | 04:55 |
| spiv | poolie: sure | 04:59 |
| poolie | thanks | 05:16 |
| wgrant | poolie: So the progress bar is not easily fixable? :( | 05:28 |
| poolie | in the sense of making it proportional to overall progress? | 05:28 |
| poolie | not _easily_ | 05:29 |
| poolie | it is possible but it will be a bit street-by-street | 05:29 |
| wgrant | poolie: Or just volume downloaded, which is nearly correct and much easier. | 05:29 |
| poolie | i guess there is a risk with this patch the underlying overall progress will be worse | 05:29 |
| poolie | that would be easy to add | 05:29 |
| poolie | wgrant: in places where we do have an accurate overall count like "building files %d/%d" that will still show - and actually be more prominent | 05:33 |
| wgrant | poolie: How hard is that to do for the download involved in the initial checkout? | 05:38 |
| poolie | wgrant: maybe i should make a faq | 05:38 |
| poolie | there are a few things | 05:38 |
| poolie | the progress bar model is that there is a tree of tasks | 05:38 |
| poolie | and you compute the fractional completion across that tree | 05:39 |
| poolie | sometimes that tree structure doesn't correspond to what actually takes time | 05:39 |
| wgrant | Right. | 05:39 |
| poolie | 2- we try to do streaming operations that by design don't know up front how much work they're going to do | 05:39 |
| poolie | actually are you asking about showing the total download to date, or the total that will be downloaded? | 05:40 |
| wgrant | poolie: Both. | 05:41 |
| wgrant | poolie: Surely the server can tell you somehow how much there is to stream? | 05:41 |
| poolie | actually | 05:42 |
| poolie | do, or do-not | 05:42 |
| assad | i did a bzr branch lp:~ but after doing the the fetching part it is not able to copy. how can i make it copy the fetched data i.e. complete the bzr process! | 06:08 |
| spiv | What do you mean by "it is not able to copy"? Perhaps pastebin the error you are getting? | 06:09 |
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| poolie | hi vila? | 07:48 |
| vila | hey poolie | 08:04 |
| vila | hi all | 08:04 |
| poolie | hi there | 08:06 |
| poolie | still piloting this week? | 08:09 |
| vila | yup, there was no volunteer and it felt wrong to leave the patches without pilot :) | 08:11 |
| vila | I won't be able to do that next week though :) | 08:11 |
| poolie | ok | 08:16 |
| poolie | you don't _have_ to do it this week but it could be nice | 08:16 |
| vila | It's ok, there are still some rough edges in *my* workflow I'd like to polish :) | 08:17 |
| lifeless | I would like folk to clearly say how much time it took | 08:19 |
| lifeless | so that people that feel busy can assess whether they can do it | 08:19 |
| poolie | well | 08:19 |
| poolie | it may be a bit elastic | 08:20 |
| lifeless | sure | 08:20 |
| poolie | so we can try "i was really busy and could only give it 2h and ... (it still seemed useful | i was thrashing and it sucked | ...)" | 08:20 |
| lifeless | but data will help figure that out | 08:20 |
| lifeless | yes | 08:20 |
| vila | It can vary greatly depending on whether you "just" review or do some coding to help the patch succeeds | 08:22 |
| vila | but anyway, raw numbers says 14hours last week for me | 08:24 |
| vila | courtesy of the hamster time tracker applet (it rocks :) | 08:25 |
| lifeless | jwow | 08:27 |
| bialix | hello bzr | 08:56 |
| saedelaere | hi | 09:23 |
| saedelaere | i was asking this already a week ago, but i had to leave and i'am still unsure what to do. | 09:23 |
| saedelaere | i started using bazaar with the solo way described here | 09:24 |
| saedelaere | http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.0/en/user-guide/solo_intro.html | 09:24 |
| saedelaere | now, i do want to release a stable version. in order to be able to continue development i need to make a new branch?! | 09:27 |
| saedelaere | so what i want to do is developing new code and have the original code of my stable release so i can fix errors if any occur. | 09:27 |
| saedelaere | i was reading about branches and so on, but i'Am not sure what to do, and a bit afraid i could mess up things... | 09:27 |
| saedelaere | ok for example i start with, | 09:35 |
| saedelaere | bzr branch bzr://foo-bar-baz stable.081 | 09:35 |
| saedelaere | so this will create a new directory with the name stable.081 | 09:35 |
| saedelaere | do i have to make this in the root directory of my main branch or i can i do it everywhere? | 09:35 |
| saedelaere | will the new branch and my main branch share history? | 09:35 |
| saedelaere | if it is important, the project is hosted by sourceforge.net | 09:36 |
| bialix | saedelaere: to ensure 2 branches will share history you need to put them into shared repository | 09:46 |
| bialix | otherwise 2 branches will be completely standalone | 09:46 |
| bialix | saedelaere: you can create as many branches as needed, you won't mess things | 09:47 |
| saedelaere | ok, this sounds good :) | 09:48 |
| saedelaere | the shared repo thing, is this recommended? or would you run different branches? | 09:48 |
| bialix | shared repo is recommended in most cases | 09:48 |
| bialix | it helps to reduce the size of storage for related branches | 09:48 |
| bialix | also creating copy of new branch inside shared repo is much quicker | 09:49 |
| bialix | because you don't need to copy entire history | 09:49 |
| saedelaere | ok then i have to reread the documentation about shared repos. but in general it is now problem to move my current project to a shared repo with the complete history? | 09:50 |
| saedelaere | s/now/no | 09:50 |
| saedelaere | ehm, when i started a project like this | 09:52 |
| saedelaere | http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.0/en/user-guide/starting_a_project.html#starting-a-new-project | 09:52 |
| saedelaere | isn't this already a shared repository? | 09:52 |
| bialix | if you already executed init-repo command, then it is | 09:53 |
| bialix | you can check this easily with `bzr info` command | 09:53 |
| bialix | if it says about shared repo location, then your branch already uses shared repo | 09:53 |
| bialix | if you created shared repo after you created branch, you can reconfigure your branch to use shared repo, with `bzr reconfigure` command | 09:54 |
| saedelaere | so this doesn't look like a shared repo. | 09:54 |
| saedelaere | http://www.pastebin.org/64665 | 09:54 |
| bialix | what says `bzr info bzr+ssh://christianrapp@tv-viewer.bzr.sourceforge.net/bzrroot/tv-viewer/` ? | 09:55 |
| bialix | your local branch is not used shared repo, yes | 09:55 |
| saedelaere | bialix: http://pastebin.org/64667 | 09:58 |
| bialix | you have shared repo and the branch on the server | 09:58 |
| bialix | usually branches placed one level behind repo root | 09:59 |
| bialix | but your setup will work too | 09:59 |
| saedelaere | hmm it was no special setup :D | 09:59 |
| bialix | you just need to create new branches under tv-viewer.bzr.sourceforge.net/bzrroot/tv-viewer/ | 10:00 |
| saedelaere | bialix you mean something like this? | 10:04 |
| saedelaere | bzr branch bzr://tv-viewer.bzr.sourceforge.net/bzrroot/tv-viewer/ bzr+ssh://christianrapp@tv-viewer.bzr.sourceforge.net/bzrroot/tv-viewer/stable.081 | 10:04 |
| bialix | yep | 10:04 |
| saedelaere | bialix: http://pastebin.org/64668 | 10:07 |
| saedelaere | this is it , right? | 10:07 |
| saedelaere | ha | 10:07 |
| bialix | saedelaere: perfectly | 10:07 |
| saedelaere | thank you very much for your time! | 10:07 |
| bialix | happy to help | 10:07 |
| saedelaere | cd ls | 10:09 |
| saedelaere | ups | 10:09 |
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| saedelaere | bialix one more question. if i want to work on the code for the stable release is it better to do a checkout of the branch or do it with bzr branch? | 10:16 |
| bialix | it depends how you feel more comfortable | 10:16 |
| bialix | checkout will automatically copy all your new revisions on the server | 10:17 |
| bialix | with branch you need push your new revisions from time to time manually | 10:19 |
| saedelaere | i'Am currently searching for an alternative server where i could push my bazaar repos. i know of sourceforge and launchpad, is there a list somewhere of free alternatives? | 10:27 |
| bialix | also savannah | 10:27 |
| lifeless | and that .fr hosting service | 10:27 |
| bialix | but you can use any cheap web-hosting with ssh/ftp access | 10:27 |
| bob2 | berlios | 10:27 |
| bialix | hmm, I did not know | 10:28 |
| bialix | hi all | 10:28 |
| lifeless | hi ;) | 10:30 |
| * bialix waves to lifeless | 10:31 | |
| saedelaere | ok there are some alternatives out there. have to check them. thanks for all your help! | 10:36 |
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| jam | morning all | 15:02 |
| rubbs | morning jam | 15:18 |
| bialix | morning jam | 15:44 |
| vila | jam: morning ! | 16:35 |
| jam | hey vila | 16:51 |
| vila | jam: you're still the RM for 2.0.3 right ? | 16:52 |
| jam | Supposedly | 16:52 |
| jam | I didn't do that good of a job on 2.0.2 / 2.1.0b3 :) | 16:52 |
| jam | since they *still* aren't officially announced | 16:52 |
| jam | but yeah, I should be doing the 2.0.3 / 2.1.0b4 prep work | 16:52 |
| vila | jam: I see, "procastinate long enough and it will disapear" ftw ! | 16:53 |
| jam | or I get fired and somebody else does the work, yeah something like that | 16:53 |
| jam | but nobody really likes releasing | 16:53 |
| vila | and you don't seem to get fired any time soon :) | 16:54 |
| jam | at least, nobody is clamoring to do it | 16:54 |
| vila | is that the same nobody that wanted to be patch pilot this week ? :-) | 16:55 |
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| jam | vila: yeah, nobody is pretty active lately | 16:55 |
| vila | nobody: take it easy, we don't want you to burn out ! | 16:56 |
| vila | We should do more Call For Participation for both patch pilot and release manager (though PP may have higher requirements surprisingly...) | 16:57 |
| vila | And I've yet to be a real RM (that may be due to all my mistakes when I've been acting RM :) | 16:58 |
| rubbs | I'd help out, if I knew what I was doing ;) as it happens, I'm still bumbling around with doc patches. Nothing serious yet. | 16:58 |
| vila | doc is serious, you may do even more damage with doc than with code ! | 16:59 |
| vila | haha, only half joking | 16:59 |
| rubbs | fair enough | 17:01 |
| jam | rubbs: "It is safe to rm -rf / at any time" | 17:24 |
| jam | would be a pretty nasty doc bug :) | 17:24 |
| jam | sorry | 17:24 |
| jam | "sudo rm -rf /" | 17:24 |
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| hsn | who removed eclipse bzr plugin download from bazaar-vcs.org? | 18:17 |
| hsn | it was at http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/3rd-party/bzr-eclipse/ | 18:18 |
| mtaylor | arrrg. bzr-notify bubbles could really go away when I mouse over them. | 18:24 |
| jam | hsn: It was never 'actually' there, but we had a redirect to the actual place | 18:26 |
| jam | it got lost in the shuffle of transitioning to bazaar.canonical.com | 18:27 |
| jam | hsn: http://qbzreclipse.tribalo.com.ar is the actual hosting location | 18:28 |
| hsn | jam, it seems to be different plugin | 18:31 |
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| jam | ah sorry, you wanted bzr-eclipse not qbzr-eclipse, I'm not sure where the official location is, or if it just hasn't updated in a long time | 20:07 |
| davidstrauss | What happens if you use the --directory option on a merge and there's a conflict? | 21:28 |
| davidstrauss | Or must --directory be a local tree? | 21:28 |
| lifeless | jam: hi | 21:52 |
| lifeless | jam: wondering if you'd like to review the subunit2junitxml patch I wrote for you :) | 21:53 |
| poolie | jam: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/en/man7/tcp.7.html | 21:57 |
| jam | hi lifeless, I knew I'd see you around :) | 22:19 |
| lifeless | jam: :) | 22:21 |
| lifeless | personal itches getting scratched | 22:21 |
| lifeless | jam: jml is releasing testtools this lunchtime, and reviewing my subunit protocol branch. After which, we'll be able to land my subunit branch of bzr | 22:27 |
| lifeless | which has had only comments so far ;) | 22:27 |
| lifeless | but it makes selftest --parallel include the log file, etc. | 22:28 |
| jam | poolie: looking at the openssh source code, the only time SO_SNDBUF is mentioned is in a "get_snd_buf_size" it doesn't seem to ever get set. | 22:29 |
| jam | so a) there doesn't seem to be any way for us to set it, and b) ssh itself doesn't seem to set it to anything bigger than the 4k default | 22:30 |
| lifeless | LD_PRELOAD ? :P | 22:32 |
| jam | you have to set the option on the socket between the time when you allocate it and when you call connect or listen | 22:32 |
| lifeless | jam: yes, wrap socket() | 22:34 |
| lifeless | on b.l.n. we don't use openssh anyway | 22:35 |
| jam | sure | 22:35 |
| jam | paramiko doesn't have a hook point for it either | 22:35 |
| jam | I don't know about twisted | 22:35 |
| jam | I was hoping to test it via chinstrap | 22:35 |
| jam | but that looks to be difficult | 22:35 |
| jam | as I don't think I can just "bzr serve" and I can't get at the ssh socket options... | 22:38 |
| lifeless | use a linode or something | 22:40 |
| lifeless | or an ec2 instance | 22:40 |
| lifeless | (europe zone) | 22:40 |
| lifeless | but as I think I've said already, get it sorted without ssh first, as ssh is known to mess with this. | 22:41 |
| jam | Well, just getting it out of my home machine would be a benefit. | 22:41 |
| jam | Even if it was US | 22:41 |
| lifeless | we do have an allowance for clcoud experiments | 22:41 |
| jam | I had tried vila's babune, but his upload cap is lower than my download cap | 22:41 |
| jam | On the plus side, we fully utilize it without problems :) | 22:41 |
| tsmith | bzr on Win32 is *kicking my ass* today! | 22:43 |
| tsmith | when I do a $ bzr diff on a *single* file, either via the commandline or Tortoise, i get this: bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.NoSuchRevision: KnitPackRepository('file:///c/www/adportal/.bzr/repository/') has no revision | 22:43 |
| jam | tsmith: is this on a bzr-svn revision? | 22:44 |
| tsmith | yes | 22:44 |
| tsmith | jam: yes | 22:44 |
| jam | this is probably the "bzr diff doesn't work with ghosts" issue | 22:45 |
| jam | tsmith: bug #393837 | 22:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 393837 in bzr "bzr diff raisesNoSuchRevision in _get_revisions on ghost revisions" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393837 | 22:45 |
| tsmith | what's a ghost? | 22:45 |
| tsmith | something VERY peculiar happened to SVN... branches i created w/ bzr-svn *disappeared* | 22:46 |
| tsmith | and then this problem happened | 22:46 |
| tsmith | i lost like 4 weeks worth of work | 22:46 |
| jam | tsmith: a ghost is a revision which is mentioned but not actually present | 22:47 |
| jam | pushing from bzr => svn will tend to create them for merge revisions | 22:48 |
| tsmith | how do i recover it??? | 22:48 |
| jam | because svn will not actually contain the merged revisions | 22:48 |
| jam | I'm not really sure what the issue is for branches disappearing | 22:48 |
| jam | did someone delete them ? | 22:48 |
| jam | Can you check the svn log directly? | 22:48 |
| jam | as for bzr | 22:48 |
| tsmith | no i mean i had ~40 comits in one then i came back 3 weeks later and only the initial "create branch" revision was there | 22:48 |
| jam | well, if someone is mutating your svn repo in destructive ways, it is going to cause problems for br | 22:49 |
| jam | bzr | 22:49 |
| tsmith | i was thinking hard drive failure, honestly | 22:49 |
| jam | so if the revisions were originally in bzr somewhere | 22:50 |
| jam | then 'bzr pull'ing from that bzr repo | 22:50 |
| jam | rather than via svn | 22:50 |
| jam | would be a way to fill in the ghosts | 22:50 |
| tsmith | i dont know | 22:51 |
| tsmith | how do i fix ghost revisions? | 22:51 |
| jam | tsmith: you 'bzr pull -r revid:XXXX' whatever revision was missing from wherever they actually exist | 22:52 |
| tsmith | revno: 156 [merge] | 22:53 |
| tsmith | would that be a "ghost revision"? | 22:53 |
| jam | presumably someone pushed changes to svn | 22:53 |
| tsmith | how do i find out the missing revision? | 22:53 |
| jam | and then you pulled from svn rather than the original bzr branch | 22:53 |
| jam | tsmith: at the moment, by figuring out what revision is part of the traceback | 22:53 |
| tsmith | you're speaking greek | 22:53 |
| tsmith | do you mean the missing revision is mentioend in the crash debug message? | 22:54 |
| tsmith | http://pastebin.ca/1714989 <-- error | 22:55 |
| tsmith | revision tsmith@jwt.com-20091029161028-ublx1l0861lbmxtq | 22:55 |
| tsmith | 22:55 | |
| tsmith | is *that* the "revision number"? | 22:55 |
| jam | tsmith: if you did the work locally in bzr, then you wouldn't have lots the work. I honestly don't have a good understanding of how your are interoperating with bzr and svn | 22:56 |
| tsmith | ok | 22:56 |
| tsmith | it's like this | 22:56 |
| jam | tsmith: that is the "revision id" | 22:56 |
| tsmith | i am programming a website | 22:56 |
| jam | and yes, that is what you are looking for | 22:56 |
| tsmith | i have several branches for each defect/feature | 22:56 |
| tsmith | when i program one, i branch the SVN repository,i commit locally, push to SVN branch, test on server | 22:56 |
| tsmith | then when it's time to do the next feature, I bzr switch to another SVN branch, commit locally, push to SVN branch, test on server | 22:57 |
| tsmith | i assumed SVN was storing copies of my work, so i didn't | 22:57 |
| tsmith | 3 weeks go by on different projects, come back, work is gone, had just reformatted my computer too | 22:57 |
| jam | tsmith: are you using a 'shared repository' locally? | 22:58 |
| tsmith | no via https:// over the internet | 22:58 |
| jam | tsmith: so, #1, you'll want to do "bzr init-repo ." above all of your feature branches | 22:59 |
| jam | that will make creating them much faster, etc, etc. | 22:59 |
| jam | then you can do | 22:59 |
| jam | bzr reconfigure --use-shared | 22:59 |
| jam | in each one | 22:59 |
| tsmith | i asked someone about that several weeks ago | 22:59 |
| jam | at that point, I *think* your ghosts will be gone | 22:59 |
| jam | as all the branches will talk to eachother and fill in appropriate history | 22:59 |
| jam | not positive, though | 22:59 |
| tsmith | did you know that cygwin bzr doesn't support https:// authentication? | 23:00 |
| jam | tsmith: It probably does if you find the python-ssl package for cygwin somehow | 23:04 |
| jam | personally, I find cygwin bzr to be crappy to start with, so I've avoided it entirely | 23:05 |
| jam | lifeless: well, there also seems to be: "They can be set globally with the /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem files" though that would mean having root on chinstrap, which isn't going to happen :) | 23:09 |
| poolie | james_w: hi, still around, want to chat? | 23:45 |
| james_w | hi poolie | 23:45 |
| james_w | not tonight really | 23:45 |
| poolie | ok | 23:46 |
| poolie | no problem | 23:46 |
| poolie | we could talk tonight my time if you like? | 23:47 |
| poolie | just suggest a time? | 23:47 |
| james_w | no, I've got a personal day tomorrow | 23:47 |
| james_w | so either tomorrow night or thursday morning your time is best for me | 23:48 |
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