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rtdosi'm trying to install lotus symphony but it's only available in the 32bit i386 version and i'm using the 64 bit version of kubuntu. how can i force the installation to go through (i already have it downloaded)?00:22
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iulian_rtdos: sudo dpkg -i - -force-architecture yourpackagename00:43
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cpatrick08nevermind it got done01:19
rubenmerahello01:20
FloridaGuykubuntu is missing something...the gtk-qt-engine...kubuntu has kde-config-gtk....thats a peace of crap...its not allowing gtk apps to use the kde themeing01:33
rtdosthanks iulian_01:33
FloridaGuyanyone here01:40
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insmodis there a way to set browser id in rekonq?01:43
insmodi need it for a web page - last year i used opera but this year it doesn't work with opera01:43
Daskreechbrowser iddoes't allow ID changes?01:45
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insmoddarkree: how do i do that01:46
Daskreechinsmod: bleah I mean Opera doens't do Browser ID changes01:47
insmoddarkree: it does but this year the page isn't allowing some functions01:48
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Daskreechah hmm01:50
DaskreechI dont think that Rekonq allows but konqueror does01:50
insmodok01:51
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insmoddarkree: doesn't work becouse it doesn't allow to specify https://02:12
YankeesFanFUCK LINUX02:55
YankeesFan!ops02:56
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insmoddarkree: gotit working thatnks02:59
valoriegood grief02:59
gpcclaydoh: you banned yofel03:00
gpcI don't think that is what you meant03:00
valorieindeed03:00
valoriebut that was odd -- do particular words trigger the !ops signal?03:01
gpcno the troll triggered it himself03:01
gpcby issuing !ops03:01
valoriewhat a strange person03:01
valoriebut pretty much what I would expect from a Yankees fan03:01
valorielol03:01
valoriestill, yofel is a good guy, and innocent in this case?03:02
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m4vtab fail i guess03:02
gpcyeah03:02
valorieI wonder if he was trying to get a list of ops03:02
valorieor test the ops' presence03:03
rwwI suspect he discovered from #ubuntu that calling that factoid pings a lot of people, and felt like being annoying.03:03
gpche did the same thing a few minutes ago in #ubuntu also03:03
valorieoh, grand03:03
m4vnah, the trigger is noisy and that's what trolls like to do03:03
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donjrI am trying to get my wireless working.  I have the broadcom 4311.  ifconfig shows the wireless there, lspci shows it there, iwconfig shows it there.03:15
donjrWhen I try to iwconfig wlan0 essid "homeid"   I get an error, set failed on device wlan0; Operation not permitted.03:15
donjrany other thoughts on how I might get the wireless working?03:16
* james147 thinks you need to be root to do that03:17
donjrSudo got the essid to show in iwconfig, but still says "Access Point: Not-Associated"03:17
* james147 also think you will have better luck connecting if you stop network-manager first03:17
Webinatorhey has anyone in here used dumphd and give me some help?03:27
Webinatorso has wnyone used dumphd?03:35
DaskreechWebinator: What's that?03:40
Webinatorit a bluray decryptor to backup your blurays to your hdd03:40
valoriea KDE app, or what?03:41
valorieI've never heard of it03:41
Webinatorlinux app03:41
DaskreechWebinator: try in ##linux?03:42
Webinatori tried but got no answere03:42
DonjrOkay, working with the broadcom 4311 on a fresh install of kubuntu 10.10  I can now hit the 'scan' button on the connection list and it will show me my home network, but still no net access.03:48
DonjrNot sure what to try next03:48
DonjrOkay, so I create a new connection, I scan and find my home network and click okay, now how do I tell it to connect?  It still says "Last Used: Never"04:05
WoAyumihello, friends.04:08
WoAyumimy kubuntu shows nothing, but black screen after installation04:08
WoAyumi:(04:08
WoAyumii have Dell Inspiron 501004:08
iulian_Donjr: remove this just klick on network name04:09
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WoAyumii have just downloaded stable versions of kubuntu 10.10 DVD and CD. after installation, when I'm booting my notebook Dell Inspiron 5010, after logging-in it just shows black screen.04:12
WoAyumihelp me04:15
WoAyumiok, I know the answer ^_^04:16
WoAyumiyou need to choose KDE from dropdown menu04:17
Donjrhow do I manually associate an ap with my wireless card please?04:30
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kalgI tried to update KDE to 4.6 in ubuntu 10.10 with backports04:37
kalgbut it gives lot of conflicts04:37
kalgdependency unresolved for notification-daemon kind of things04:37
kalgis that normal.. any ideas guys?04:37
areichmankalg: that wasn't normal when I did it, but I did it on a basically clean install04:38
areichmanhow old is your 10.10 install and do you have any previous versions of 4.6 installed?04:38
kalgso it is safe to go ahead04:38
kalgno04:38
kalgI installed it recently and then use kubuntu ppa to update to 4.5~04:39
kalgthen 4.6 came :) actually I should have wait for 4.604:39
areichman10.10 came with 4.5, didn't it?04:39
kalgyes. I guess so.. but then 4.5.5 is the current release right?04:40
areichmansomething like that, yes, but that shouldn't have impacted 4.6 installing...04:41
kalgaptititude dist-upgrade is the command I used04:41
kalgit says I need to remove 7 packages and there is a dependecy unresolved04:42
kalg:(04:42
areichmandist-upgrade? When I did it I used kpackagekit04:42
kalgdist-upgrade seems to be safe earlier.. that's why I used it04:43
areichmanJust enabled the repository with 4.6 and searched for updates. It took care of the rest04:43
areichmanI'm not sure. There should be instructions for getting 4.6 on kubuntu news04:43
areichmankalg: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.604:44
areichmanthose are the instructions I followed04:44
kalgI think kpackagekit won't show all the dependency problems04:44
kalgit's like using safe-upgrade and just upgrade04:45
kalgshould google more about the difference first04:45
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kalgok it's about aptitude safe-upgrade and full-upgrade I guess04:53
kalgfull-upgrade tries to upgrade every package while safe-upgrade tries to do a safe job04:53
kalgwonder what kpackagekit uses04:53
areichmanI don't know but it worked well for me upgrading to 4.604:54
kalgthen I should work for me too right.. upgrade my confidence :)04:55
kalgthanks areichman04:55
areichmanno problem. If I'm around let me know if it works04:56
kalgok.. I'm going to read a bit more before I do it04:56
kalgjust to improve my confidence :)04:56
DarkriftXdoes anyone know of a kde fxp client?05:08
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areichmanDarkriftX: http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=15343&forumpage=0&PHPSESSID=7dd1ad68138a74c9fda2b435e79cf4c305:12
areichmansee if that does what you want. It says on the description that it supports fxp05:12
DarkriftXnice, thanks05:13
DarkriftXi wasnt finding anything googling "kubuntu fxp" but "kde fxp" seems to have found a few05:13
DarkriftXguess i was being too specific05:13
areichmankftpgrabber seems to be a well known program for this sort of thing05:14
DarkriftXyeah, gonna try it now05:15
areichmanhave fun05:15
DarkriftXthanks05:15
DarkriftXtrying to xfer 2.7g from one hosting plan to another.... would be a long upload if i did it indirectly05:15
Kalidarnwhere abouts would i ask for a particular patch to be committed to backports?05:23
Kalidarnhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264076 << namely that one05:23
ubottuKDE bug 264076 in general "Plasma 4 6 crash on logout [terminate, __cxa_pure_virtual, QGraphicsItem::sceneBoundingRect, QGraphicsScene::itemsBoundingRect, , NotificationGroup::removeNotification] (Notifications/Extenders related)" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]05:23
ecinxhow do i move up a directory05:23
ecinxand how do I make a new folder?05:24
Kalidarni'm sure google can answer those questions05:24
TorchKalidarn: just wait for kde 4.6.105:24
Kalidarn:( could be ages away Torch05:24
ecinxKalidarn:  I'm sure too but that would take  a lot more minutes than  seconds here05:24
Kalidarnyou haven't been specific either ecinx so nobody can help you05:25
Kalidarndo you mean ind dolphin, nautilus or terminal....05:25
ecinxterm05:25
ecinxwwhat nautilus?05:25
Kalidarnthen you should stop being lazy05:25
Kalidarnand google for "make new folder in linux"05:25
Kalidarnfor basic questions like that05:25
ecinxu can stop being an a-hole05:26
Kalidarnjust because it's easy for someone to answer doesn't mean you shouldn't do ANY research yourself.05:26
ecinxi have other question that follow , and everything i do in google takes forever05:26
Kalidarnwhat's your other question05:26
ecinxhow to write in the root of a drive05:27
ecinxwhen i'm in /  is not the drive i want to write too05:27
ecinxto*05:27
valoriein general, you can right-click in the gui and choose make new folder05:27
Kalidarnit needs to be mounted05:27
Kalidarnso if it's a usb stick05:28
ecinxvalorie: I tried that05:28
valoriein the console, it's "makedir"05:28
Kalidarnit will probably be in /media05:28
Kalidarnit's mkdir05:28
Kalidarnnot makedir05:28
valorieoops, sorry05:28
ecinxI can't see  new folder05:28
valorieI'm lazy and use up-arrow too often05:28
Kalidarnis it a usb stick?05:28
Kalidarnwhat is it your trying to mount05:28
ecinxin dolphin create new is grayed out05:28
Kalidarnif your using kde it should automount05:28
Kalidarnthen you do not have privileges05:29
Kalidarnor directory05:29
ecinxKalidarn: not a usb stick, I have a HDD with I don't know how many partitions. but one is for windows, linux, and the biggest one is where I have the /home05:30
Kalidarnright, well if it's an external disk you want to mount it05:30
ecinxI want to write in the biggest one05:30
Kalidarnso make a directory in /mnt05:30
Kalidarnthen use mount /dev/sdXX and then to the mount point05:30
ecinxit's  just one HDD05:30
Kalidarngoogle "how to  mount drive"05:30
Kalidarnit will explain it a lot easier than anyone in here can05:31
Kalidarnhttps://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+mount+hard+disk+linux&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=05:31
Kalidarnomg so hard05:31
ecinxit's mounted05:31
ecinxit's the sameone /home is on05:31
Kalidarnthen navigate to where it is05:32
Kalidarnuse fdisk -l05:32
Kalidarnyou sure05:32
Kalidarnrather df -h05:32
Kalidarn/home is where your users keep their settings and personal data not where disks are mounted unless its mounted elsewhere05:32
Kalidarnremember each partition needs to be mounted05:33
Kalidarnone partition doesn't equal the whole disk05:33
ecinxok05:33
ecinxlet me go back one step05:34
Kalidarnhttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=mounting+partitions+linux :)05:34
Kalidarnim sorry if that sounds rude but you could find a lot more concise information this way05:34
ecinxon  the left, where it says places it says 63.5 gib05:34
Kalidarnyer05:34
Kalidarnthat's the complete device block05:34
Kalidarnnot the partition05:35
ecinxit is a partion05:35
Kalidarnah k05:35
ecinxi only have one HDD  in this laptop05:35
Kalidarnso it's auto mounted it05:35
Kalidarnoh okay05:35
ecinxyes05:35
Kalidarnso just click on it.05:35
ecinxi do, and i see two folders: ecinx and .directory05:36
Kalidarnif everything is greyed out you do not have privs to write there for that user05:36
Kalidarnyeah so it looks like a /home/ mountpoint with one user05:36
devonhey guys - i have a question.  don't know protocol - do i just ask away?05:36
Kalidarnsure just ask05:36
Kalidarnbut if you could google it and find the first 100 pages dedicated to your answer then i'd try that first ;)05:37
ecinxKalidarn: what does that mean in laymans05:37
Kalidarnit means thats where home is05:37
Kalidarnif you had other users05:37
Kalidarnthey would appear in there05:37
devoni just installed 10.10 and dont really know what im doing.  I installed in a VM and got the guest add-on packages, but the resolution is only 1024.  I am reading to try "sudo dexconf" to edit the display settings, but when I do that nothing pops up.  No error message - just a return to the prompt in the terminal05:38
ecinxyeah, i purposely partitioned it that way to separate data with programs05:38
ecinxwhen i instaled kubuntu05:38
Kalidarndevon: using vmware?05:38
devonVirtualBox05:38
Kalidarnif you've installed the guest package then you should be able to resize the screen and the resolution should automatically change05:38
Kalidarnoh, i don't use virtualbox :)05:38
devonknow anything about why dexconf wouldnt come up?05:39
Kalidarnecinx: that makes little sense as programs are installed in /usr/share and /usr/local anyway05:39
Kalidarnthat partition will just contain documents, and configuration files05:39
Kalidarnspecific to your user05:39
ecinxI don't remember what was my real plans.. but I know my docs in windows tends to be really big05:40
ecinxespecially with music and itunes university files05:40
Kalidarnso its on a seperate partition05:40
Kalidarnwell either way what's the problem with that.05:41
ecinxdon't know05:41
Kalidarnif you can't write to it from another user it's because you do not have privileges05:41
Kalidarnthats what it would mean if new folder or whatever is greyed out in dolphin05:41
Kalidarnif you type pwd in that directory05:41
Kalidarni assume it tells you /home/ecinx05:42
ecinxyes05:42
ecinxin the term05:42
Kalidarnand i assume if you do "env |grep HOME="05:42
Kalidarnit will tell  you /home/ecinx05:43
Kalidarnor are you logged in as another user05:43
ecinxHOME=/home/ecinx    خبهبی05:44
ecinxdon't know how that happened , the next line is profilehome= in caps.. my capslock is turning to a differnt langauge05:45
Kalidarnhmm05:45
Kalidarndo locale05:45
Kalidarn"locale"05:46
Kalidarnshould say your languages05:46
Kalidarnanyway that means your privileges of your home directory look like they've changed05:46
Kalidarnim surprised it lets you even login properly05:46
Kalidarnsudo chmod -R u=+r+w+X,g=Xr,o=X ~/05:46
Kalidarnshould correct that.05:46
Kalidarnas it's the default05:46
Kalidarnactually should be05:47
Kalidarnsudo chmod -R u=+r+w+X,go=Xr ~/05:48
Kalidarnie read write execute for opening directories for user05:48
Kalidarnand only read and open directories for group and other05:48
ecinxPermission denied05:48
Kalidarnput sudo infront of it05:48
Kalidarnit will then do it as super user05:48
ecinxsudo isn't superuser?05:49
Kalidarnit is05:49
Kalidarnhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sudo05:49
ecinxdon't know why it didnt' work05:51
ecinxfirst time that happened05:51
ecinxill try a different terminal05:51
Kalidarnthat shouldn't make any difference05:51
Kalidarncan you now write to ~/05:51
Kalidarnie /home/ecinx05:52
Kalidarnis the same as ~/05:52
Kalidarnits an abbreviation05:52
ecinxi was always able to write to that folder in term05:52
Kalidarnrefresh dolphin05:52
ecinxand any other application05:53
ecinxbut in dolphin it wasn't letting me make a folder05:53
Kalidarndoes it now?05:53
ecinxi can make  a new folder from home in dolphin05:54
Kalidarnyou should be able to make directories in ~/ with dolphin05:54
Kalidarnyeah05:54
ecinxbut not in the root of 63.5 gb partition05:54
Kalidarndid you check the mountpoint allows for that.05:55
Kalidarnyou may need to unmount home05:55
Kalidarnand make that mount point have user access05:55
Kalidarnthen mount it05:55
Kalidarncos it probably says root:root and only write for root05:55
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ecinxyep, it's only root05:56
Kalidarnchange that with chrgrp or chown05:56
ecinxi was able to do sudo05:56
Kalidarnyes because that elevates to superuser05:56
Kalidarnnot as user ecinx05:56
Kalidarnsudo mkdir would work too05:56
Kalidarnbut if you do unmount /home05:56
ecinx^^ that's what i did05:57
Kalidarni'd sugguest shutting down kde first05:57
Kalidarnie by logging out05:57
Kalidarnthen doing control alt F105:57
Kalidarnand doing /etc/init.d/kdm stop05:57
ecinxill just stay with the folder i created05:57
Kalidarnbefore trying to change the privs of your home dir where .kde will reside05:57
Kalidarnwhile kde is running it might cause a problem05:57
Kalidarnbecause unmounting /home is going to not allow kde to write anything05:58
ecinxchmod -R u=+r+w+X,go=Xr ~/05:58
ecinxdo that?05:58
Kalidarnif you can do it as a user in terminal05:58
ecinxin the new fonder?05:58
Kalidarnyeah05:58
Kalidarnwell in the new folder it will be ~/New Folder05:58
Kalidarnor something like that05:58
Kalidarnwell in the new folder it will be ~/New\ Folder05:59
ecinxhome/sixtyfive$ sudo chmod -R u=+r+w+X,go=Xr /home/sixtyfive06:01
Kalidarnsixtyfive is in the wrong place if that's supposed to be used by ecinx06:01
Kalidarnit should be /home/ecinx/sixtyfive06:02
Kalidarnotherwise i think sixtyfive is another user06:02
Kalidarnyou cannot write to /home/ as a user06:02
ecinxokay06:02
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Kalidarnyou can only write to /home/ecinx if your logged in as ecinx06:02
Kalidarnunless you've modified the privs06:02
ecinxI guesss that partition is mounted as /home/06:03
ecinxand that's why it behaves that wway06:03
kalgareichman : I did update to 4.6 using apt-get dist-upgrade and it seems to work pretty well. Thanks..06:06
ecinxI'm planning on getting an SSD drive soon,  Is there any specific way i should configure windows and kubuntu? and is there a particular format in which the drive, partitions should be formatted in?06:06
Kalidarnthats because /home allows for other users06:06
Kalidarnyes06:06
Kalidarnthere is06:06
Kalidarnquite a few specific things you must do06:07
areichmankalg: I'm glad to hear it. Enjoy the upgrade. There are a lot of nice features in 4.606:07
Kalidarnassuming it is a MLC drive06:07
Kalidarni run two ssds in my system06:07
Kalidarnecinx: http://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/01/paragon-alignment-tool-increases-disk-performance-and-ssd-longevity/06:07
kalgareichman: thanks for the support. should take a look at 4.6 feature now :)06:08
Kalidarnhttp://www.johnlewis.ie/a-note-about-ssds-and-partition-alignment/06:08
ecinxthis is a laptop06:08
Kalidarnim not sure if TRIM works across partitions i doubt it would06:08
Kalidarnso thats why i don't really recommend dual booting with ssd with one ssd06:08
Kalidarnhttp://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/15706:09
Kalidarnwindows automatically aligns partitions06:09
Kalidarnwhen you create them06:09
Kalidarnwell windows 7 does06:09
FloodBotK3Kalidarn: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.06:09
Kalidarnubuntu doesn't but its fairly easy to make sure they're aligned06:09
ecinxi have win 7 Pro06:09
Kalidarnhttp://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?54379-Linux-Tips-tweaks-and-alignment&p=472998&viewfull=1#post47299806:10
ecinxI can run kubuntu on virtualization if need be, but it will have  docked ram and i don't know what other consequences06:10
Kalidarnalso i'd get a disk by either intel or ocz06:10
Kalidarnthere's a tonne of shitty ones out there06:10
Kalidarnthat have crappy garbage collection algorithms06:11
ecinx^^ i was going to get kingston but  then i was like nah06:11
Kalidarnyer kingston are crappy06:11
Kalidarnleast they were in this atomic mpc review i read06:11
ecinxim waiting for c400 to come out like everyone says in slickdeals06:11
Kalidarnthe sandforce ocz one i have atm is good06:12
Kalidarnthe intel ones have always been pretty good though expensive06:12
Kalidarni think cruical might be good too06:12
ecinxyeah06:12
ecinxthose three.. intel being the most reliable06:12
Kalidarni know they specifically ragged on kingston though06:13
Kalidarnthey make good ram06:13
Kalidarnbut they suck ass at making ssds06:13
Kalidarnhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/827391-Crucial-C400-SSD06:13
Kalidarnive found roughly to align partitions06:14
Kalidarnyou need to allow 1MB in between each partition as unpartitioned space06:14
ecinxI know little about SSDs but read that the longetivity can be an issude06:15
ecinxso the algorithms can be very important06:15
Kalidarnhttp://pastebin.com/sH99FnhZ06:15
Kalidarnlike that06:15
Kalidarncourse if your using shitty windows06:15
Kalidarnyou can't have GPT06:16
Kalidarnunless your motherboard has EFI06:16
Kalidarnotherwise windows wont boot06:16
FloodBotK3Kalidarn: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.06:16
ecinxGPT EFI?06:16
Kalidarnwindows can't boot from GPT if it's not an EFI system (so it's okay in a macbook)06:16
KalidarnExtensible Firmware Interface, basically the newer better replacement to BIOS06:16
Kalidarnall macs have it06:16
Kalidarnand a lot of server boards do06:16
Kalidarnsome consumer boards are coming out with UEFI soon06:17
ecinxI don't think i have that06:17
Kalidarnlikely you do  not06:17
Kalidarnanyway with disks over 2TB06:17
Kalidarnyou cannot use MBR you need to use GPT06:17
Kalidarnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table06:18
Kalidarnall macs use that now too06:18
ecinxI have a bios that has more options than a typical notebook but  not EFI06:18
Kalidarninstead of their old apple partition map06:18
Kalidarni expect microsoft will change over to it eventually there must be some problem with windows06:18
Kalidarnnot allowing them to do it for systems that they want to boot off06:18
Kalidarnthat don't have EFI06:18
Kalidarnbecause for grub or anything else like freebsd it doesn't have issues with a fully GPT system06:19
KalidarnThe GPT as of 2010 forms a subset of the UEFI specification.06:19
Kalidarnmicrosoft will eventually change06:19
ecinxi can't wait till windows 806:19
Kalidarnthey're probably hoping that everyone will be using UEFI then they wont bother having to make windows work with GPT06:19
Kalidarnwith BIOS06:20
Kalidarnthere must be some problem with BIOS and GPT working together on windows06:20
ecinxmore touch screen support06:20
Kalidarnive been using windows 7 but i still think kde 4.6 looks better :P06:20
Kalidarnand is a lot better in terms of productive features06:20
Kalidarninfact it beats both osx and windows on that06:20
Kalidarnosx however i think is a lot more stable06:21
ecinxim in different on how they look06:21
Kalidarni mean things like snapping and that06:21
ecinxi'm on 4.6rc2 oxygen06:21
Kalidarnare handy06:21
Kalidarnwindos by far is the least productive06:21
Kalidarn*windows06:21
Kalidarnit lacks things like expose and multiple desktop support out of the box06:21
Kalidarnwhich both kde, gnome and osx have06:21
ecinxdon't know what  expose is06:22
Kalidarnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expos%C3%A9_(Mac_OS_X)06:22
Kalidarnbasically came out with leopard in 200706:22
Kalidarnwindows 7 just came out with a crummy ring switching alt tab06:22
ecinxbut windows has better touch supoort than the kubuntu i'm using and better tablet support06:22
Kalidarnwhich is absolutely useless06:22
Kalidarnoh for sure that doesn't surprise me06:22
sriramomanhow do i configure kmail to hide email headers so that EMail looks neater06:23
Kalidarnerr it doesn't by default?06:23
Kalidarnit just shows to, from subject06:23
ecinxOH, yeah i like expose. I do it by accident .. don't know how to trigger it so i use alt tab06:23
Kalidarnyer06:24
Kalidarnand it sucks windows doesn't have it06:24
Kalidarnas it's actually useful06:24
Kalidarnand installing things like topdesk isn't the answer cos you don't have it when you move to a computer that doesn't have it installed that and it's not very nice on resources06:24
ecinxthey have windows tab06:24
Kalidarnyer the ring switcher that's crap06:25
Kalidarncos its cascaded06:25
Kalidarni just use alt-tab in windows :P06:25
ecinxi don't like windows shell enhancements by third party, they are resource hogs06:25
Kalidarnyer and often buggy06:25
ecinxhow do you use xpose in kubuntu?06:25
Kalidarnyeah its one of the desktop effects06:26
Kalidarnits called Present Windows06:26
Kalidarni rebound my key so im not ure what the default is06:26
Kalidarni think its Ctrl+F806:27
ecinxoh..  yeah06:27
ecinxi was talking about something else06:27
ecinxwhich puts the windows all over the screen with bigg letters on top of them06:28
Kalidarnnot sure what you mean by that06:28
ecinxkind of like kpose but instead of all of them horizontally06:29
ecinxthey are all over the screen06:29
Kalidarnso not alt tab?06:29
ecinxno06:30
Kalidarnanyway i must go now06:30
ecinxokay thank you very much06:30
kmaogoood morning07:21
kmaoany up in eru:)07:22
kmaoi need some help..07:22
kmaothe kdm login screen is not working in kubu 10.10 and the kde 4,6 = i on acer spire one d250 1dw07:24
jemandHi all,08:08
jemandsince I upgraded to KDE 4.6 parts of the screen are not updatet. When Iscroll back and forth the screen is updatet in parts.08:08
jemandany clue?08:08
gr8m8jemand:  what graphics card do you have?08:24
jemandgr8m8 : Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller08:36
jemandit's a Thinkpad T6108:36
jemandI switched off the desktop effects. Now it's fine. OK08:38
jemand:-(08:38
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gr8m8jemand:  wasn't there an issue with some intel gm cards reporting that they did things that they didn't? I'm sure I saw that somewhere along the line10:04
jemandok. THX10:39
jemandif you find more specific let me know.10:39
jemandI try to find it in this chat-history...10:39
valorie jemand, I have the same issue10:41
valorieand I have an ATI card10:41
jemandNow someone up withe this issue on NVidia?10:42
jemandI think, there is a prob with the graphic refresh...10:43
jemandand it's KDE 4.6 wide10:43
valorieyes10:43
jemandas long as we can handle it by switching off gimmecks of KDE it's just an annoyance...10:43
valorieone thing that helped in some kde apps was using graphicsraster something or other10:44
valorieI can look that up if it will help you10:44
valorieI put it into the menu startup stuff10:44
jemandbut when I look back the last 3 years:10:44
jemandeverything that was running fine runs into probs.10:44
valoriewell, since I added it to conversation, I have no more probs with its redrawing10:45
jemand- sound10:45
jemand- fax10:45
jemand- printing10:45
jemand- burning10:45
jemand- ....10:45
FloodBotK3jemand: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.10:45
valoriesame with patience10:45
jemandjep. "patience" is obviously the most needed attribute...10:46
valorielol10:46
javierHi to everybody. Is there finally something to do to make longer batery life in Kubuntu? I have a new laptop and batery last 3.5h in windows and only 2h in kubuntu... Someone knows how to make it a bit better in kubuntu?10:48
valorieinteresting10:49
valorieyou might try powertop10:49
javierpowertop?10:51
javiervalorie: is it another problem to control energy?10:51
javiervalorie: something courious is that I've tried "backtrack 4" livecd distro and then batery life is as long as in windows...10:52
javiervalorie: i've installed powertop. If I copy-paste you results, could you try to help me? Not sure I can get a lot of information from there...10:55
javiervalorie: I've got something like "wakeups-from-idle per second: 300"10:57
valoriesorry, I haven't used it myself10:59
valoriebut I know many who have, with good results10:59
valorieI'm plugged in, usually10:59
valorieso I don't really care10:59
valoriegoogle a bit -- it's widely used10:59
javierok, thanks!11:00
javiermaybe someone else there can help me while I google it...11:00
valorienot usually many people awake at this time11:03
javierpowertop says all the time that many programs are recording its data in a file in /dev/s11:04
javierah, jeje11:04
javierright11:04
javierI'm in spain, didn't thought about what time can be far from here11:04
javierhehehe11:04
javierthanks valorie!11:04
yofeljavier: the wakeups are the reasons per minute why your CPU isn't in deep sleep (highest C value)11:07
javierI see.11:08
javier..11:08
yofelthe list you see below are the processes causing the most wakeups11:08
javieryofel: almost 100% if time is working C3  (C1-C3 supported11:08
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javierbut i don't get such list11:09
yofelsec11:09
javierjust, under title "top causes for wakeups" I have simple message that changes every 10 seconds, and that message is always telling that some program is recording data in a file located in /dev/sda7 and this prevents the disk to go to save energy state11:10
javierI mean programs like <<'plama-desktop>>11:12
javier>>'akonadi_control>>11:12
yofelhm, here's how it looks like here: http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/pt.png11:12
javier<<'flush-8:0>> and like that, it's changing every time11:12
yofelnote: run powertop as root11:12
yofelsince it needs some system access11:13
javieryes, i started with "sudo powertop"11:14
javierdont know why i don't get the "top causes for wakeups list of applications..."11:18
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javierI'm working in C3 almost all the time, so there my computer is doing well. The problem may be in "wakeups", that is over 250 all the time" Reasons for those wakeups are said location where some important programs are writting, because those files are located in /dev/sda7, which prevents the disk to go on safe energy mode11:23
yofelsry, back, had to reconnect11:26
yofeljavier: the easiest way to measure power usage is to work on battery, powertop will then display the power consumption and batter time remaining11:27
Anubis1hi there11:28
Anubis1i have a problem with my 1004LTS kubuntu installation11:29
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Anubis1i just upgraded some packages and now i can see only some colored boxes on my screen11:29
Anubis1and i cant access any console11:30
Anubis1what can i do ?11:30
javieryofel: yes, i'm seeing that. Well, powertop tells me batery will be for 3 hours, but it's not true, it's getting empty as fast as always11:31
yofelwell, it takes that value from acpi, you can get the same time by installing acpi and running 'acpi -V'11:31
javieryofel: ah, ok, that was useful. But, still think i have to do something to improve energy use with those wakeups11:35
javieryofel: I smell something is not working fine11:35
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yofelwell, I don't get those below 100 myself here, usually making sure that bluetooth and/or wireless aren't on if I don't need them helps a lot11:39
yofelby turning them off using rfkill11:39
javiermhm11:40
bluebirdjarHi everyone, what is the package to display battery information on laptop?11:40
mknightofwestHi =)11:41
valorieacpi, I believe11:42
yofelyeah, acpi from the command line, and the battery applet is part of the default system11:43
bluebirdjargot it thank you11:49
Anubis1so, can anyone help me ?11:51
Peace-Anubis1: ?11:54
Peace-Anubis1: what did you do ?11:54
Peace-upgrade from unsupported repository11:54
Peace-which video card have you ?11:54
Anubis1upgraded some packages (eg.openoffice, xorg). nvidia11:55
Anubis1and i tried to start virtual box11:56
Anubis1i guess it's something related to virtualbox11:57
Peace-Anubis1: mmm welll i suggest to downgrade your nvidia driver11:57
Peace-i guess11:57
Anubis1but i can't access any tty11:58
Peace-Anubis1: well the only stuff you can do is a reboot11:58
Peace-Anubis1: if you can do anythin11:58
Peace-...11:58
Anubis1i rebooted, but i'm not able to switch to any tty11:59
Peace-Anubis1: ok read this11:59
Peace-Anubis1: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/try-to-fix-your-kubuntu-box-with-kernel-recovery/11:59
Peace-Anubis1: remember old packages are on11:59
Peace- /var/cache/apt/archives/12:00
Peace-so the older packages of your nvidia should be there12:00
Peace-should be12:00
Anubis1peace: i will try. thank you.12:01
Peace-xserver-xorg-video-nvidia+blablablablablablablabal12:01
Peace-choose not the latest12:01
Peace-Anubis1: romanian?12:02
Peace-xD12:02
Peace-Anubis1: to instal a package from terminal12:06
Peace-Anubis1: sudo dpkg -i   /var/cache/apt/archives/NAMEPACKAGES12:06
Anubis1ok12:07
Anubis1great link12:13
Anubis1thank you12:13
Anubis1it seems that was a problem related to dpkg12:14
Anubis1and it upgraded my kernel also12:15
vanguardhow can I tell the network manager (nm) that It should connect to a specific connection at startup and not use autoeth0?12:26
Peace-vanguard: mm guess you can edit some configuration file like12:37
Peace-mm12:37
Peace-interfaces12:37
Peace-vanguard: guess /etc/network/interfaces12:38
Peace-you could even remove  nm if you are able to se well that file..12:38
Peace-xD12:38
Peace-vanguard: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html12:39
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vanguardPeace-: I'll check it out, thx12:49
vanguardPeace-: the nm config is not in there, I guess 8.04 is not relevant at this any more ...12:50
Peace-mm12:50
Peace-vanguard: i guess there should be12:50
Peace-vanguard: i am on natty now12:50
Peace-vanguard: and i have..12:50
Peace-xD12:50
vanguardwell, the config is there, but it is not filled too much with any data that I entered into nm12:51
Peace-of couse is empty12:51
Peace-a@natty:~/src/ffmpeg$ locate interfaces | grep etc12:51
Peace-/etc/network/interfaces12:51
Peace-/etc/network/interfaces.bak-012:51
Peace-vanguard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122110212:52
Peace-sorruy wrong link12:53
Peace-vanguard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57118812:53
vanguardoh, I use a wired connection, so most of that does not apply to me12:56
Peace-vanguard: well should be easier12:58
Peace-vanguard: i have not link under my hand right now12:58
Peace-vanguard: if you search12:59
Peace-vanguard: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration12:59
Peace-vanguard: Manual Network Configuration without the need for Network Manager ethernet12:59
vanguardokay, I will have to check whether my new setup will work13:03
vanguardPeace-: Do I have to disable nm now?13:03
Peace-vanguard: you have to test13:03
vanguardPeace-: k13:03
Peace-vanguard: i will kill the network manager13:03
Peace-and test the connection13:03
Peace-then if it works...13:04
Peace-i will remove it13:04
Peace-but only if you know how to install it again13:04
Peace-it's not something for noob...13:04
Peace-but for pro users ..13:04
vanguardwell, I'll have to see. Thanks for you help!13:06
Peace-vanguard: :=)13:07
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markithi, kde 4.6, in dolphin the "filter" panel has all options grayed out (not active), is it normal? how can I enable it so I can search for date or other options?13:32
jemandmarkit : It only works with nepomuk & strigi   :-(13:35
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markitjemand: urgh, how can I find files like I'm used with kde4.5?13:35
markitI've disabled nepomuk and stigi, dont want to waste time and space indexing my 2TB hd13:36
jemandI did the same.13:36
markitno solution?13:37
markitdamn, so I have to downgrade to 4.5... is quite impossible without break something, I'm shocked13:37
jemandmarkit : CTRL F13:37
markitlet me boot my laptop and try (here I'm still in 4.5, since I do need search )13:38
markitwondering why simply dolphin can't detect if stigi is workign and revert back to "non indexed" search automatically13:39
Peace-markit: guess you have to enable nepomuck13:39
Peace-markit: there is a filter barr..13:40
markitjemand: ^F does not enable the filter panel13:40
Peace-markit: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/filterbar.jpeg13:40
markitPeace-: I'm very disappointed... I do hate all these "automatic indexing" that plague M$crap world13:40
Peace-markit: 4.6 is not optimezed on 10.1013:41
Peace-i am on natty ...13:41
Peace-alpha213:41
markitPeace-: mmm "show filter bar" shows something in the bottom... then? how can I set a date interval for instance?13:42
markitPeace-: on natty does not require nepomuck? is a kubuntu "requirement" and not a standard kde one?13:43
Peace-have to go13:46
Peace-you have to learn how to show sutff13:46
Peace-on dolophin13:46
Peace-and organize them13:46
Peace-locate stuff13:46
markitdon't understand you13:47
markitin 4.5 there is Tools -> find file13:47
markitand you can specify many search criteria13:48
markitlike "modified since.." etc13:48
markitin 4.6 you don't have, since the filter bar is disabled13:48
Peace-markit: settins configure dolophin13:48
markit(exept if you use nepomuck, but is a bad bad idea)13:48
Peace-shortcuts13:48
Peace-and whatever you want13:48
markitPeace-: don't understand the relation with shortcuts13:49
markitif the filter functionality has been removed13:49
markitor am I missing something?13:49
Peace-omg13:49
Peace-sorry no time right now13:50
markitPeace-: ok, thanks anyway13:50
markitanyone else with my problem and a way to solve?13:50
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BluesKajHey folks14:32
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HourglasssI need help with some microphone issues as a new user can anybody help?15:03
Hourglasssanybody here15:04
Hourglasss....15:06
rork!ask | Hourglasss15:06
ubottuHourglasss: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)15:06
Hourglasssmy microphone will not pick up audio, i followed the help things on the ubuntu docs but they did not help either15:07
barrapontohow do i take a widget from an activity to another?15:16
james147barraponto: not sure thats possible through the gui... though copying the widget in the config files to the right location might work... it probally easier to reconfigure a new widget15:18
james147barraponto: you can also create a new activity by cloning another one should you want severil widgets coped,15:19
barrapontojames147: i thought i had seen it on a video.15:20
barrapontojames147: hmm, maybe that was it. is there cloning from the gui?15:20
james147barraponto: what kde version are you on?15:20
barrapontojames147: found it, thanks. 4.6 latest packages on kubuntu ppa15:21
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lenzywhat do i have to do to make amarok 2.4 play cds ?16:12
bluesceadahey i just want to simply report a bug, where can i find the respective bugzilla? I can just find the launchpad bugs, but dont see any way to report bugs there16:54
bluesceadait's a kde or kubuntu-wide bug, so i wanted to report it in kubuntus bug tracking...16:54
bluesceada(when setting up automounting of partitions and choosing the wallpaper from that partition, the wallpaper can't be set on login, because it seems automounting is just done AFTER setting the wallpaper)16:55
Tecumsehi just installed a fresh copy of kubuntu 10.10, also installed kde 4.6 from the backports ppa. Apparantly not all packages got updated, maybe because I first did an aptitude safe-upgrade and later a dist-upgrade. Now some packages are still at version 4.5.1, how can I get a list of those packages and upgrade them to 4.6 safely?16:56
bluesceadaanother bug is in network-manager not being able to remember a custom ethernet lan setting (it will always default to "auto eth0" on login16:56
yofelbluesceada: I would say report that on bugs.kde.org, you'll need an account for either bug tracker16:57
bluesceadayofel: okay, already have one there ... but is the automount bug really kde related? i dont have it in the kde on debian (or maybe that's because ubuntu has a more recent kde version)16:58
yofelas for the NM bug, not sure what's at fault here, but I do know that behavriour :/16:58
yofelbluesceada: hm, which release are you running? squeeze has 4.4. IIRC16:58
bluesceadasqueeze, yeah16:59
bluesceada4.4.. yep16:59
yofelkubuntu maverick has 4.5.1 by default, with 4.5.5 and 4.6.0 in PPAs16:59
bluesceadahm ok, maybe it's added to kde by then16:59
bluesceadabut some things were always a bit different in kde in ubuntu (probably some ubuntu-patches.. )17:00
bluesceadafor example kbluetooth added etc.17:00
bluesceadabut ok, i will report these "bugs" on kde's bugtracking later17:01
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bluesceadasomehow more usability than bugs, told by someone who just recently tried kubuntu17:02
bluesceadaand both bugs are partial showstoppers for "normal" people who just want to use the computer for mostly internet and media stuff17:03
bluesceadaanyway, -> afk17:03
MikeAndPotatoesyou are a bunch of frauds. 1 application is all it takes to prove you as just as wicked as i have been saying. you have no concern. there is no way this software is on the center without someone having approved it to be listed.17:09
MikeAndPotatoesPornView?17:09
MikeAndPotatoesthat is not family friendly17:10
MikeAndPotatoesit shows just how stupid you are with your absolute take on technical issues17:10
MikeAndPotatoesi have show you as misrepresenting everything you standfor17:10
MikeAndPotatoesand you will go even further and further if it means possibly getting away with the first wrong doing17:10
MikeAndPotatoespeople of many ages use Ubuntu. yet how do you provide support for PornView17:11
Tecumsehsorry, to whom are you addressing this?17:11
MikeAndPotatoesyou don't. you lie your ass off and say that you don't talk about it17:11
MikeAndPotatoesTEcumseh17:11
rork!info pornview17:12
ubottupornview (source: pornview): Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-11ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 211 kB, installed size 624 kB17:12
MikeAndPotatoesFreenode has Staff which sympathise for ubuntu because of the money canonical donates and the reputation ubuntu has. however they sympathize too much.17:12
rorksounds like a badly chosen name to me17:12
MikeAndPotatoesyes17:12
MikeAndPotatoesif i was a curious kid and i saw a pretty face. i would search the web for a pornview. and we all know that won't turn up an innocent photo manager17:13
MikeAndPotatoesyou have been way too harsh on me, and way too arrogant. even this 1 program is enough for me to feel it is time for you all to drop the conspiracy17:14
Tecumsehlol17:14
Tecumsehanyway, I'm off to diner17:14
Tm_TMikeAndPotatoes: this is wrong place for this, and you know it17:14
MikeAndPotatoesi am banned from all channels. the ones i can enter just refer to their email.17:14
MikeAndPotatoesfuck you tm_t. your freenode staff are ubuntu ops, some are ubuntu councilmen. there is more combinations of freenode and you working together than you can possibly expect me to believe you won't lie17:15
MikeAndPotatoesyou are telling me i am ban evading, yet i was able to enter those channels17:15
Tm_Toh well...17:16
DaskreechTm_T: You own freenode staff?17:16
gpconly 80% of them17:17
gpc:P17:17
Tm_Tyes I do, you didn't know it? (;17:17
DaskreechI love how he has a direct comparison between number of staff and belief in lies17:17
Daskreechassuming that MikAndPotatoes is a he17:18
ryrychhello17:19
Daskreechhi17:19
ryrychhaving formated my kingston pendrive to ext4, I can mount it as a user but don’t have permission to write — the root is owner. Why?17:20
Daskreechryrych: add a umask for the mount script if you would like multiple users to be able to write to it or if it's only you on the computer then you can just make yourself the user17:21
ryrychDaskreech: I always mount my external drives with KDE’s widget, not with cli. It worked before I’d formated it to ext4 (was fat32)17:24
Daskreechryrych: Fat32 doesn't have a concept of ownership ext4 does17:25
Daskreech!fstab > ryrych17:26
ubotturyrych, please see my private message17:26
DaskreechRead that and set it up as you would like. I'd suggest for an option umask=002217:26
BluesKajanybody here have exprience with Aver media on Linux?17:28
Peace-BluesKaj: hey hey17:28
Peace-BluesKaj: i have solved ;D17:29
Peace-BluesKaj: microphone problem :P17:29
ryrychDaskreech: I see. I want to use this pendrive as additional backup (snapshots made by rsnapshot). Is it useful to keep it on ext* or fat will be sufficient?17:29
Peace-BluesKaj: was not the volume of mic17:29
BluesKajhi Peace- , good , what was the fix ?17:29
Peace-BluesKaj: my intel audio card has sampling rate of 4800017:29
Peace-BluesKaj: if i record with 4410017:29
Peace-it get a lots of noise :P17:30
BluesKajyeah, dither and conversion noise17:30
Peace-:)17:30
Peace-BluesKaj: i have used this17:31
Peace-BluesKaj: ffmpeg -f  alsa  -ac 2 -ar 48000  -i hw:0,0   -s 1024x768 -f x11grab -r 30  -i :0.0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec libx264 -vpre lossless_ultrafast  -threads 2 output.mkv17:31
Peace-works fine :D17:31
BluesKajPeace-, that's a video command string17:31
Daskreechryrych: Either works. It's just storage17:31
Daskreechryrych: rsnapshot will work better with ext4 though17:32
BluesKajPeace-, well partly video anyway17:32
Peace-BluesKaj: :) yea it's an ultra fast screencast command line17:32
Peace-BluesKaj: and uses alsa :)17:33
Peace-it17:33
BluesKaj-s 1024x768 -f x11grab -r 30  -i :0.0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec libx26417:33
Peace-that took the video of your screen :)17:33
Peace-takes17:33
BluesKajyeah as does mplayer and mencoder , Peace-17:33
Peace-xD17:33
Peace-in the future mencoder will not be upgraded17:34
Peace-ffmpeg i guess has won17:34
ryrychDaskreech: ok, thanks :)17:34
BluesKajwell, I'm thinking buying this fo my media-server pc , but I'm not buy til i find out if there are linux drivers :http://www.buy.com/prod/avermedia-avertv-hd-dvr-video-capture-card/q/sellerid/11408470/loc/111/212576898.html17:35
BluesKajerr not buying17:35
BluesKajPeace-, I don't think mencoder/mplayer and ffmpeg are competing, for example ffmpeg doesn't have a GUI17:37
Peace-BluesKaj: on then mail list , mencoder, says it's better use ffmpeg17:37
Peace-to convert17:37
Peace-infact if you see mencoder is nasty with some videos17:37
Peace-and with audio it's not comfortable17:38
Daskreechryrych: Sure17:38
BluesKajyeah, well I had to use it to capture video thru a usb capture card ,ffmpeg didn't see the card as a source17:38
Peace-wth17:39
Peace-bash stuff17:39
Peace-bad17:39
BluesKajv4l217:39
Peace-mm17:39
Peace-BluesKaj: i did this interface xD http://wstaw.org/m/2011/02/06/plasma-desktopPm5066.jpg17:40
Peace-BluesKaj: time ago...17:40
Peace-but it still works , natty here17:41
sayakbhi. yesterday in upgraded to 4.6 from backports. now kdm throws me an error "cannot open theme /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais". i logged in to a tty and verified that folder is there. i can also see "oxygen" there so i tried that, but same error. any pointers?17:55
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ryrychDaskreech: I've read that umask, fmask, dmask are for specifically for fat. What about ext?18:08
ryrychDaskreech: I have now entry in fstab, I can mount it as a user but still don’t have write permissions. Changing the mounting point owner to me doesn’t do the trick :(18:11
sriramomani have noticed since recent that my KDE graphics looks bit awkward when I close and open my laptop lid, instead of the usual crisp one.. note the heavy visibility of gradients.:  http://img819.imageshack.us/f/kde.png/ I would be glad if someone told me a workaround for this. kubuntu 10.1018:21
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bluesceadasriramoman: sorry but that looks perfectly nice for me18:30
sriramomanbluesceada: i shall logout and login again, and post and show a 'good' screenshot18:30
vanguardI got 3D hardware accel in Games, but my desktop effects do not work. What can I do to enable them?18:36
bluesceadavanguard: maybe try to disable "functionality checks" in the advanced tab of desktop effects18:38
BluesKajwhich graphics card , vanguard?18:38
sriramomanbluesceada: compare these: http://img97.imageshack.us/f/kden.jpg/ and http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5613/kde.png The first one is taken immediately after closing+opening laptop lid18:39
vanguardBluesKaj: ATI 2600 Pro Mobile (iMac 20")18:39
vanguardBluesKaj: Everything is grayed out in that tab because of some technical reasons18:39
bluesceadasriramoman: oh yeah, i see :S18:39
Tecumsehi just installed a fresh copy of kubuntu 10.10, also installed kde 4.6 from the backports ppa. Apparantly not all packages got updated, maybe because I first did an aptitude safe-upgrade and later a dist-upgrade. Now some packages are still at version 4.5.1, how can I get a list of those packages and upgrade them to 4.6 safely?18:40
vanguardbluesceada: Everything is grayed out in that tab because of some technical reasons18:40
bluesceadasriramoman: maybe your graphics adapter reduces screen bit depth18:40
sriramomanactually i have ATI mobility radeon 1GB and this problem wasnt there in kubuntu 10.04. moreover even now, it isnt there in the gnome login18:40
bluesceadaummm, yeah hmm. maybe you just dont see it in gnome?18:41
bluesceadaotherwise i would say it's the ati driver18:41
bluesceadasadly, ati and nvidia both have not 100% good drivers :/18:42
james147Tecumseh: make sure "kubuntu-desktop" is still installed (if not install it) then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"  (or sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade)18:42
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Tecumsehthx james147, but no succes there. kubuntu-desktop is installed and aptitude update && full-upgrade don't have anything to install18:44
sriramomanbluesceada: i chkd now, the problem isn't there in gnome. and i tried removing fglrx, which indicates that even the switched intel mobility graphics is creating this same problem18:45
james147Tecumseh: try "sudo aptitude install -f"18:45
bluesceadahuh, sriramoman you have two graphics in that notebook?18:45
james147^^ it should attempt to fix any broken dependencies18:45
bluesceadathat support just recently came to the kernel as far as i know18:45
bluesceadamaybe that is the problem then..18:45
BluesKajvanguard, is this the driver you use ? http://en.kioskea.net/download/download-850-driver-ati-radeon-catalyst-linux-x8618:45
bluesceadaif you removed fglrx it doesnt mean your intel card is used18:46
ubuntu__where did the compled cfile stored......18:46
bluesceadavesa or radeon or whatever driver might be used18:46
vanguardBluesKaj: I installed the proprietary one with jockey. I'll look it up18:47
vanguardBluesKaj: "ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX-Driver"18:48
sriramomanbluesceada: i actually have the graphics given by i5 processor as well as the ATI card... the system tends to use intel card by default if fglrx is absent18:48
bluesceadaah umm, ok18:48
bluesceadabut that is only supported by a recent kernel afaik18:49
bluesceada"recent" ... since 2.6.35 that is ...18:49
bluesceadabut means it might be a quite unstable feature18:49
bluesceadaand you are absolutely sure it is using intel if fglrx is absent?18:49
sriramomanmine is the recent kernel and this overly compressed graphics is seen only in the KDE of ubuntu 10.10, and is fine in gnome or earlier kubuntus18:50
sriramomanyes i am sure its using intel18:50
sriramomanthats how it shows in all the display config interfaces18:50
sriramoman'intel HD graphics' with the model no18:50
BluesKajsriramoman, lspci | grep VGA will tell which card is being used18:51
bluesceadaokay18:52
bluesceadai would still guess it might have something to do with the switching18:52
bluesceadamaybe it is switched to intel when the lid gets closed18:52
bluesceadaah wait, you said it's also when you only use intel?18:52
sriramomanbluesceada: it looks horrible in both intel as well as ati18:53
bluesceadaok18:53
sriramoman[sriram@localhost ~]# lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)18:53
jadohi, how can i find an offset in a file with Kate?18:53
sriramomansriram@slocalhost:~$ lspci | grep VGA 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 68e118:54
sriramomanjado: offset means>18:57
jadocharacter 781 for instance18:58
BluesKajsriramoman, so you have 2 cards ... I recommend making a decision on which one to use , probly the ati since it's a pci card . You may need to choose the card you want by entering the BIOS and in system peripherals move choose or make the pci as default18:59
sriramomanBluesKaj: thats fine, i chose intel only to see if its ati's problem, nothing else. otherwise i am using ATI. this problem doesnt occur in gnome or older versions of KDE.. this problem occurs if i close+open laptop-lid or off+on the LCD19:02
BluesKajsriramoman, 2video cards on a laptop, that's unusual , but the BIOS Setting should still be done once you decide19:04
sriramomanBluesKaj: i set the bios now to use ATI. I just showed that output sometime ago to show that I really have intel, too.. Now my bios is set to use ATI and still I face this problem19:05
praveen_#c19:05
bluesceadanewer kernels should support the runtime switching, but might have still glitches19:05
sriramomaneven if i choose intel in bios i face the problem19:05
bluesceadacan you also set in bios to completely hide the other card or something like that?19:05
sriramomanbluesceada: i made the choice only in bios. not runtime, dont worry:)19:06
sriramomanyes now its like that. if i choose in bios, the other card wont be seen19:06
bluesceadano i mean you said, if you dont have fglrx installed it automatically falls back to intel...19:06
bluesceadaeven if only ati is set in bios?19:06
bluesceadaah okay19:06
bluesceadahmh19:06
BluesKajbluesceada, yes , just make the card you want the default in the BIOS19:07
bluesceadamaybe search for your specific laptop model and linux (not just ubuntu) and look if you can find out more - at least i can not tell what this might be causing19:07
bluesceadaor tell us your laptop model19:07
sriramomanand i am telling u again, this is a problem that i exclusively noticed in kde that ships with kubuntu 10.10.. this problem is neither prevalent in gnome, nor in kubuntu 10.04 or any older versions19:07
sriramomanhp G62-121EE19:08
sriramomando u think the problem may be solved if i upgrade to 4.6.0? i mean kde19:09
bluesceadadoesnt really sound like a kde problem to me19:09
bluesceadamaybe it's some screen power saving setting which is set up different in kde than gnome as default19:09
bluesceadabut the real problem doesnt lie there - at least imho19:09
fdgdoes anybody know is it possible to damage the coputer using the overclocking features in bios inproperly ?19:09
fdgin specifics incerasing cpu voltage from 1.3 to 1.419:10
bluesceadafdg: nobody can guarantee that you wont damage it, but recent cpus usually can do an emergency shutdown if they get too hot19:10
BluesKaj!overclocki |fdg19:11
bluesceadai dont want to recommend it to you, but if you want to do the maybe risky overclocking: go in small steps towards the goal what you want to reach19:11
fdgwell I thought I was doing this19:11
fdglol19:11
fdgso now I'll probably have to reset the bios manually right ?19:12
fdgbecause my system hangs faster and faster, cant get to bios anymore19:12
bluesceadaoh, then do a bios reset, yeh19:12
BluesKajfdg , there are no overclocking guarantees at all on any OS19:12
BluesKajincreasing from 1.3 to 1.4 won't show much IMO , and it's risky19:13
bluesceadafdg: yeh this is from overclocker to overclocker, not any safety aware computer engineer: just reset the bios and use the previous last settings that didnt cause a crash ;-)19:13
bluesceadabut in the end this is really offtopic here, as the operating system has really nearly nothing to do with it19:14
bluesceadasriramoman: that notebook seems really very new ... did you have different 64/32bit installs?19:15
bluesceadaor are you comparing all 64 bit to all 32bit versions?19:15
bluesceadaand same fglrx driver versions on 10.04 and 10.1019:16
bluesceadamaybe you should look into the desktop effect settings and set for compatibility *just guessing*19:16
sriramomanbluesceada: pls do not trust reviews. its very fast enough :P this is a 64bit version19:16
bluesceada?19:16
bluesceadai dont know what you mean about reviews, but yeh19:16
bluesceadabut wait fglrx doesnt mean much if it's also intel :S19:17
sriramomani mean reviews which they may write in sites etc. it comes with win7, which is slow in any PC :P kubuntu is fast and flashy only that this small problem is there19:17
BluesKajfglrx driver runs on the ati card19:18
sriramomando u think a notebook with 6GB DDR3 RAM, 1GB gfx card and an i5 processor can run slow19:18
sriramomanbut as bluesceada said, this problem exists even if i chose the intel card from bios19:18
bluesceadahttp://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-systems-and/HP-guys-alert-Instant-ON-Ubuntu/m-p/32252219:18
bluesceada:-)19:18
bluesceadayou're so right19:18
sriramomanbluesceada: btw, pls note that the posting is mine ;-)19:19
bluesceadasriramoman: yeh, because of that i told that you're so right ;-)19:21
sriramomanhehe :D19:21
bluesceadabut you dont find much about that notebook, hm :S19:22
bluesceadaand strange only kde affected etc :S19:22
bluesceadadid you check for screen depth after the resume19:22
bluesceadaeh lid open19:22
bluesceadadoes it also happen if you sleep/resume19:22
sriramomanonly KDE 4.5.1 is affected :(19:22
sriramomansleep/resume is calculated as a lid close + open i suppose, i guess thats how it ends up that way19:23
bluesceadaxdpyinfo |grep -e depth.*root19:23
bluesceadamaybe something like that19:23
bluesceadadoes it show less than 24?19:23
bluesceadaand i am also not sure if xdpyinfo is the right way19:24
sriramomansriram@sriram-HP-G62:~$ xdpyinfo |grep -e depth.*root   depth of root window:    24 planes19:24
bluesceadahm19:24
sriramomannow with the display reset to crisp mode, it is still the same output19:25
bluesceadacrisp mode ?19:26
bluesceadacrisp meaning "looking like less color depth" ?19:26
bluesceada(visible steps in gradients)19:26
sriramomannote: if i go to system settings and simply reselect the current display settings and apply, the settings are same but the display becomes crisp. thats what i mean by crisp mode19:26
sriramomansmooth and crisp gradient19:27
bluesceadai would write about the problem in some forum to get more people into looking at it19:27
sriramomanof course, if i switch off and switch on display, it becomes bad again19:27
bluesceadaah ok19:27
bluesceadathat's an important info i guess19:27
sriramomanor shall i try upgrading to the nightly 4.6 before writing into forums :D19:28
bluesceadaonly switch on and off of the display causes problems...19:28
bluesceadai dont know if I would19:28
bluesceadatry some kde 4.5 live cd if it also happens there19:28
bluesceadaor some other distri19:28
bluesceadaopensuse live cd? knoppix? i dont know..19:28
bluesceadasriramoman: and you cant switch to any display mode that is "smooth" ?19:29
bluesceadawhat happens if you strg+alt+f1 and then strg+alt+f7 (to get back to X)19:30
bluesceadamaybe also look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log immediately after you turned off and on the display19:31
sriramomanbluesceada: lol ctrl+alt+f1 and back to ctrl+alt+f7 'crispens' back the display19:31
bluesceadahm19:32
bluesceadathen look into the log19:32
bluesceadawhat happened recently, maybe it gives some hint about an error or warning that it has to fallback to some mode19:32
bluesceadasriramoman: you looked into /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? sudo cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log or similar ..19:38
sriramomanbluesceada: just prepared a compilation... http://pastebin.com/gvwjhfyR19:38
bluesceadaumm i really dont know what the reuse xkmfile means19:39
bluesceadanow i dont have any more ideas, sorry19:39
bluesceadapost it in some forum maybe19:39
sriramomanthank you19:40
bluesceadaor try to find out what happened in kde (#kde ?) from 4.4 to 4.5 (if that was the difference from 10.04 to 10.10 ?)19:40
bluesceadamaybe 4.5 is really causing some different display management policies that cause these problems, as it is really strange that gnome works19:41
genii-aroundxkm file is like a keyboard mapping file that your keyboard selection is stored in. so when you can switch between 2 different languages for instance, it loads a different xkm file19:42
genii-aroundIf it's saying something like "resuing xkm file" most likely you don't have language support installed for the keyboard you are trying to load19:43
bluesceadaso that has probably nothing to do with the screen seeming to turn depth down :S19:44
bluesceadamaybe it is really the *screen* itself19:45
sriramomanoh that may be true, genii-around so i doubt if that is display-issue coz i agree with u, half my language packs are not installed properly19:45
sriramomanbluesceada: in that case the problem should affect gnome, thats not the case19:45
bluesceadadamn, right :S19:45
bluesceadaugh eh sorry19:45
bluesceadawhy must so strange problems exist19:46
sriramomantrue.. lets see.. gonna try KDE 4.619:48
fdgwow I just smashed my xp thanks to my overclocking !19:48
fdgsoooo after all it was somehow related ! hahahah19:49
BluesKajoverclocking used to be for gamers whose pcs didn't run fast enuff to keep everything synched , but with the cpus and graphics it's almost totally unecessary19:54
BluesKajtoday19:54
bluesceadaor for photoshop :-D19:54
bluesceadai have my phenom ii x3 720 2,8@3,4ghz .. still running silent :D19:54
bluesceadano real special cooling except a bigger passive heatsink with 120mm fan19:55
genii-aroundI have a machine at home we overclock every time we need to do 3d rendering, then put it back afterwards19:55
bluesceadafor 15 euros ...19:55
bluesceadai am really amazed how much room there was for overclocking with only slight overvolting (up to 3,1 without overvolting)19:56
bluesceadabut, i dont want to get offtopic...19:56
bluesceadasriramoman: i'm interested if it's fixed in kde 4.6 ;-)19:57
sriramomansure, i'd tell u, just keep ur nickname same till tomorrow :) i mean till 8:30pm IST19:58
sriramoman**indian standard time19:58
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sriramomanbluesceada: i am leaving,, see u at 6:00pm IST, 7th Feb20:03
bluesceadawhat is IST :S20:03
bluesceadahm ok20:05
ecinx3i can't see any icons (open apps in my task bar. I can see K , the favorites folder, the desktop switcher, system tray icons and clock, but not applications that are open20:13
james147ecinx3: did you remove the taskbar widget? if so just add it back again (right clcik something > add widgets > find "Task manager"  and drag it back20:15
ecinx3thanks, that worked.  I didn't remove it intentionally20:16
james147ecinx3: it happens :) but just so you know, everything on the desktop/panel is a widget and can be added back by doing the same ^^ also, items in the panel can be rearranged by draging them when the panel settings dialog is open20:18
ecinx3thanks20:18
ecinx3also does that calendar there have a way to get google calendar?20:19
macothe one in kontact?20:20
ecinx3the one with the clock in the bottom.. on the desktop panel20:20
macoyou can install akonadi-kde-resource-googledata to be able to add google calendar & contacts20:20
macooh hmm20:20
james147ecinx3: yes and no... last I checked it was possible to sync akondi with google calendar (after installed a package that i forget the name of) but from what i could see it dident sync changed back to google very well20:20
james147^^ that was the one :)20:21
ecinx3oh20:21
james147^^ and I havnt tried it in a while so it has probally improved since i last tried20:21
macoi dont think the panel calendar shows whats in your akonadi calendar at all20:21
ecinx3nm.. i know gogole calendar is flaky with a lot of apps20:21
macojames147: yes it can write changes back20:21
ecinx3only thing that really works is outlook and lightning20:21
kerloiHi all. I'm a new kubuntu user and I'm facing a problem. I try to use my microphone but I'm not able to see the chanel in the kmix windows. I tried to find some information about that but without succes until now.20:21
james147maco: thats good to know :)20:21
macoakonadi googledata can work with the primary calendar (the one with your name) read/write20:22
macobut unfortunately ONLY that one calendar is exposed as far as i can tell20:22
macoso all  your other calendars, you have to add as remote .ics files, and then that means they're read-only20:22
ecinx3^^ used to be the problem with windows mobile 6.x and microsoft exchange20:22
ecinx3lighting syncs with all20:22
macoi wonder how20:23
macoi was starting to get the impression from evolution's also only talking to the first calendar that google only allowed it for the first one20:23
ecinx3and last time i tried to do something i couldn't find the ical addresss.  of a calendar so new standard is google calendar not ical20:23
macohuh?20:24
macogoogle shows you the .ics address in the sharing settings for the calendar20:24
maco.ics (ical) is definitely still the standard format for calendar storage20:24
ecinx3it is20:25
ecinx3it's just that google is taking over20:25
ecinx3the calendar settings for sharing changed in google. i'm pretty sure it still exports ical, just that they changed the procedure in  getting that address20:27
eagles0513875|2hey guys has anyone else seen an issue when installing via usb with maverick that for some reason eventhough you tell it to install to the MBR it installs to the MBR of the usb device even though kubuntu was installed ot the hard drive20:27
* james147 hasent noticed that20:28
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CorinHey, I was wondering something... why can't I remove the default desktop actvity in 10.10 or remove plasmoids via the 'add widgets' menu?21:11
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SnowhogCorin: As to the 'default' desktop activity (Main), I'm thinking that it needs to exist. Others that you create can of course be removed. Just my guess.21:17
CorinHmm21:17
* james147 thourght that any activity could be removed as long as it wasent the last one21:20
SnowhogCorin: The 'add widgets' menu is just that - Add(ing) widgets - not removing them. Once a widget is installed, and you don't want it, just right-click on it and click the X.21:21
CorinWhat if the plasmoid is invisible?21:21
SnowhogCorin: In this case, which one?21:21
CorinIt's called 'iHateTheCashew'21:22
CorinIt's a plasmoid that removes the plasma icon on the top right corner. lol21:22
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SnowhogCorin: If you want the Cashew back on your desktop, simply remove the "I HATE the cashew plasmoid" by clicking on the minus sign in the Add Widgets dialog.21:32
CorinSnowhog: That's what I'm saying!21:32
CorinThere is no minus sign!21:32
CorinxD21:32
james147Snowhog: later version of kde got rid of that button ^^21:33
james147Corin: only way i know of would be to remove the enrty for it in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc21:33
james147(and restarting plasma-desktop21:34
Snowhogjames147: That, or just switch to a different Desktop Theme and see if the 'minus' sign is then present. Not all Desktop Themes are created equal.21:35
james147Snowhog: ^^ possibly21:35
bobboaudoes anyone know how to set up a wireless access point, or even just to tell if my hardware is capable of supporting it? I don't even need a bridge I just want a wireless network connection that I can use to access a server (the machine with the wireless hardware on it) directly with.21:36
james147bobboau: you could try creating an ad-hoc network connection21:37
Tsunami1juus visi ir lohi21:37
Tsunami1vnk pidera6i21:38
Tsunami1:D21:38
SnowhogTsunami1: English only here, please.21:38
maco!lv21:38
Tsunami1Nahuj?21:38
bobboauI've looked at that in the network management widget, but that looks like it is for connecting to an adhoc network, not setting one up, am I mistaken?21:39
Tsunami1a man pohuj21:39
macoSnowhog: we dont have a channel for latvians to send Tsunami1 to :-/21:39
Snowhogmaco: No. And he appears not to understand English.21:40
Tsunami1a kaa tu zin ka es i no lv21:40
macooh there is one.21:40
macoTsunami1: #ubuntu-lv21:40
macoit has like 5 people21:40
ecinx3how do i upgrade to kde 4.621:40
Tsunami1loti daudz21:40
* james147 points ecinx3 to the channel topic :)21:42
macoTsunami1: Tērzēšanai un atbalstu latviešu valodā, lūdzu, ierakstiet "/ join # Ubuntu-lv"21:42
ecinx3ive been readint that site21:43
ecinx3and went and updated some settings in kpackagekit21:43
james147ecinx3: its best not to use kpackagekit to upgrade to 4.621:43
Tsunami1a nahuj lai es taa daritu?21:43
ecinx3http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.621:44
ecinx3i was just going by that21:44
ecinx3and went there, but i still don't know whaat to do21:44
Snowhogecinx3: This might help you: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3115541.msg254540#msg25454021:45
ecinx3thanks Snowhog21:46
Tsunami1juus visi ir lohi21:46
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Guest74228hi, I want to buy some laptop within troubles with ubuntu21:49
Guest74228what of thes is better for that?21:50
Guest74228http://www.remateshp.mex.tl/tienda.html21:50
Tsunami1Da blje pidera6 aizveras21:52
SnowhogTsunami1: Tērzēšanai un atbalstu latviešu valodā, lūdzu, ierakstiet "/ join # Ubuntu-lv" THIS IS AN ENGLISH ONLY CHANNEL. Please observe that.21:53
rtdosi have kde, gnome, fluxbox, and blackbox desktops installed: since i am not using the kdm to login to my system how do i use startx or xinit specify which desktop i want to use?22:01
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james147rtdos: try: xinit /path/to/wm   (eg xinit startkde)22:12
Goliathwhere are kde login themes saved at?22:15
ecinx3how  do i fix font anti aliasing?? where it says configure anti allias seetings it says exclude range ... suse sub pixel rendering , but i don't know what are the settings I need. Is there a way to calibrate it?22:16
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SnowhogGoliath: In /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/22:21
GoliathSnowhog: any idea how to modify a kde login theme22:21
Goliathto change its background?22:21
Goliathand splash screen22:22
Goliathagain where are kdm themes saved at?22:29
Goliathat a kdm theme in an .xml it says: scalemode="crop". What would be the code for scaled&croped?22:33
* james147 would think that is what "crop" does ...22:34
rufsketch1Hey everyone. I have a 7600GT. What driver do I need to get full OpenGL acceleration and compositing?22:35
james147rufsketch1: what ever is recomended by "Hardware drivers" (aka jockey-kde)22:36
ecinx3my fonts look like crap and I can't read off the screen :(22:38
rufsketch1james147: it doesn't list anything. And it also says no proprietary drivers are in use on this systm22:38
otto1hello there22:39
otto1anyone can recommend me a chat where i can ask about Ubuntu?22:39
Snowhogotto1: In #Ubuntu22:40
ecinx3lol22:40
james147rufsketch1: run "sudo apt-get update" then try it agian22:40
* ecinx3 has a headache22:41
ecinx3does anyone knows about sopcast? or another way to watch the superbowl on my computer?22:41
james147!mythtv22:42
ubottumythtv is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV - For discussion and specific support, try #ubuntu-mythtv22:42
ecinx3I don't  want to look like an idiot at school tomorrow with all the super bowl talk. I don't have cable or an antenna22:42
james147^^ then taht might not work :p22:42
ecinx3I had an antenna built in my old house22:43
rufsketch1james147: still nothing'22:43
ecinx3but i dont have the time to build it. . and i don't want to drive to campus and not get other hw done.. :(22:43
ecinx3I know in sopcast i can see it but it's been impossible to install22:44
james147rufsketch1: hmm, then install "nvidia-current" then run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" << you might need to stop X to do that last one22:44
rufsketch1james147: it says nvidia current is already installed22:45
rufsketch1I'll do nvidia-xconfig22:45
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felipe_ecinx3: you might try ##superbowl if you're interested, got streams and stuff too22:46
ecinx3thanks felipe_22:46
felipe_:)22:51
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Goliathhow do i remove a kde activity?23:20
rtdosjames147: is there a way to use xinit without it opening up a terminal after the desktop comes up?23:24
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flashdeluxe_hi! I got problems with my notebook, i installed kubuntu 10.10 from scratch and my graphic doesn`t work properly.. at any website i have problesm if i scroll down because the pictures overlap, i am using an intel mobile 4 series chipset23:26
flashdeluxe_does anybody know a driver which works with that chipset?23:27
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