ali1234can you retweet a tweet @ someone who doesn't follow you?00:31
popeyyou can retweet anything so long as you can see it and the person doesn't have their stream private00:33
ali1234but when i click retweet it doesn't let me edit it... i'm too old for this stuff00:33
ali1234i'll just email them the link. lol00:34
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bobtunyAnyone here?00:51
MooDoomorning all06:46
knightwisemorning MooDoo07:08
MooDooknightwise: hello :) it's friday :)07:09
knightwiseI kneuw :)07:15
knightwiseI'm having soundconverter have a crack at some of the flac files I found online07:16
* knightwise has a day off today 07:16
knightwisenow I need to drag .epub files out of a recursive file directory structure into one folder07:16
knightwisestill looking how to do that07:17
knightwisefind -r *.epub /sourcedirs/ | mv /targetdir/07:17
knightwiseprobably not .. right ?07:17
* MooDoo shrugs...sorry07:19
diddledan__knightwise: find /path/to/epub/parent *.epub -exec mv '{}' /target/epub/dir \;07:22
knightwisehey diddledan__ :) thanx ! :)07:35
knightwisefound it in the meantime :)07:35
knightwiseI have to go through quite a bit of folders :) Been playing with Wget and some google "intitle" searches :)07:36
knightwisehey mapps07:40
MooDoomorning morning07:40
MartijnVdSknightwise: hence the 'find' which moves it for you07:41
MartijnVdS\o *07:41
TheOpenSourcererMorning one and all :-D07:41
knightwisemorning guys :)07:42
mappsso uh i was logged into my machine using ajaxterm through apache webserver on https:// had a problem with apache..did /etc/init.d/apachectl stop.. and uh oh why cant i do anything07:42
mappsd'oh i was using ajaxterm through the webserver:D07:42
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday and happy Belly Laugh Day! :-D07:45
MartijnVdShey, new Java.07:51
Myrttimy trusty(!) virtual machine had gotten a booboo during the week I wasn't showing it TLC :-(07:52
MartijnVdSMyrtti: what happened?07:52
Myrttino idea, it wouldn't boot07:52
Myrttiquicker to reinstall the whole thing and start over than to dig deeper07:52
MyrttiI'm not experienced enough with the problems they have to waste time on problem solving07:53
MartijnVdSMyrtti: does it show any messages? would it be bugreport-worthy?07:53
Myrttidoubt it, it's more likely to be a PEBKAC than anything else07:54
MartijnVdSmapps: problem exists betweek keyboard and chaird. aka "user error"07:56
mappsahh course07:56
diddledan__PEBKAC tends to be the primary source of errors for me07:56
MartijnVdSdiddledan__: get a bean bag instead07:56
diddledan__I need a big ball07:56
diddledan__that way I'll improve my posture at the same time07:57
knightwiseoops wrong window07:57
diddledan__knightwise: I agree07:57
mappstreadmill desk is the future07:59
mappsoffice chaire=silent killer!!07:59
MartijnVdSmapps: http://goo.gl/alp3eT07:59
mappslol MartijnVdS08:07
Myrttiyou mean working sitting crosslegged in a onesie on your bed isn't good?08:11
diddledan__Myrtti: onsesies ftw08:12
diploMorning all08:13
SuperMattI just went the longjohns route this morning08:21
SuperMattso I'm nice and warm :D08:21
TheOpenSourcererI got my wife a onesie for Xmas - she thinks it's great. It's purple with dots. Makes her look like a big baby :-)08:38
mappsdoesnt everyone look like a big baby in them? They dont appeal to me at all:)08:41
MartijnVdSbut they're nice and warm!09:01
YaManicKillYeah, great for using in the winter, in the house.09:03
YaManicKillNever to be seen by other people :-P09:03
SuperMattI wouldn't be surprised if I saw people in their onesies popping down to the corner shop, or whatever09:06
SuperMattbecause for some people laziness trumps decency09:06
directhexi've seen people in onesies in the town centre09:08
directhexalso 25% packet loss wtf09:08
popeyi saw someone in a onesie in the co-op recently09:08
popeyshe was buying chocolate09:08
popeypretty sure we knew what was going on there09:08
TheOpenSourcererMy missus won't go out in hers. But should think it's common in Banbury and Farnborough ;-)09:09
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: that article you retweeted mentions my employer (zaaksysteem.nl) :)09:09
popey my missus won't wear hers09:09
MartijnVdSyeah, that one :)09:09
popeyso sophie stole it, and it's massively too big for her09:09
popeyhas to hitch it up09:10
TheOpenSourcererha ha09:11
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:16
bigcalmGosh, Sophie is getting tall09:16
SuperMattI shall one day get a onsie09:17
bigcalmpopey: the photo behind her head, there appears to be more people than your unit of 4?09:17
SuperMattmaybe on the way home tonight because it's payday09:17
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: amazon09:18
bigcalmSuperMatt: Rackspace are paying you already?09:18
foobarrySuperMatt: i've seen people in their pyjamas in coop too09:18
MartijnVdSfoobarry: The Dude?09:19
foobarryand slippers. buying superkings for their toddlers09:19
SuperMattbigcalm: yes, fortunately09:19
SuperMattand my last job's pay came in too09:19
SuperMatta little too much in fact09:19
SuperMattthey called me yesterday in a panic because they over paid me09:19
popeybigcalm: sister, her kids09:20
bigcalmAh, okay09:20
SuperMattthey want me to send the money back, but haven't actually sent the bacs details \o/09:21
foobarryubuntu one app stopped uploading pictures :S09:22
* Laney snuggles directhex 09:24
diddledan__Laney: stop that canoodling - you're making us jealous :-p09:26
Laneythere's room in this spoon for three09:26
* knightwise thinks MartijnVdS deserves a hugg too because now my ubuntu machine runs like a charm :) 09:26
MartijnVdSLaney: you weren't in Prague at the UDS were you? :)09:26
knightwiseanyone of you guys coming to fossdem ?09:27
Laneythe dholbach hug?09:27
MartijnVdSLaney: yeah that one :)09:27
MartijnVdSknightwise: maybe09:27
knightwisesame here. If there are gonna be some peeps around that I know I might go too09:27
knightwiseor i'll just go do do some interviews for HPR or the Knightwise.com podcast09:28
Laneymy first UDS was the one in "Brussels"09:29
MartijnVdSLaney: was there a room named that?09:30
MartijnVdSLaney: where was that?09:30
Laneynot sure, a magical coach took us there09:30
MartijnVdSLaney: ah, no, the real city of brussels. Didn't go there09:31
Laneygot to see sabdfl walking around in his towel & slippers09:31
Laneyyou had to cross the lobby to get to the gym & sauna from the rooms09:31
MartijnVdSthe photo is the same as the one on the UDS-L page09:31
MartijnVdSUDS-Jaunty was my last :|09:33
Laneyyou're old skool09:33
popey  PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND09:33
popey 1710 root      20   0 4389528 3.642g 389388 S  21.5 23.4 187:02.22 Xorg09:33
popeywas 2.3 G yesterday09:34
MartijnVdSLaney: my first was "The Mataro Sessions", https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MataroConference09:34
Laneyhadn't heard of that one09:36
MartijnVdSLaney: the very first one, just after 4.10 came out09:36
Laneydid you work for canonical?09:36
Laneyback in those idealistic days of yore09:37
Laneyshipping the "best GNOME desktop"09:37
MartijnVdSNo, I didn't.. just a community member :)09:37
popeyah old names in the changelog for that wiki page09:38
Laneythat sladen09:38
MartijnVdSLaney: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=31717518@N02&q=mataro09:40
MartijnVdSrecognise ALL the people! 8-)09:40
MartijnVdS(and ancient launchpad)09:42
davmor2Morning all09:54
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:58
MartijnVdS\o brobostigon09:58
brobostigonmorning MartijnVdS09:59
bigcalmMorning davmor209:59
brobostigonno more workfare/mwa untill wednesday now, makes me happy, my back and hip hurt.10:00
bigcalmdavmor2: battery notification is displayed once I resume from a suspend. But not from a cold boot.10:00
foobarry      20   0  282m 116m  12m S    1  1.5 232:23.14 Xorg10:10
foobarry up 51 days, 17:27,10:10
MartijnVdSIn all of space and time!10:11
davmor2bigcalm: file a bug :)10:11
YaManicKill"It allows them to increase their capacity without having to spend much more money."10:13
YaManicKillBet we'll see increase in prices though...10:13
MartijnVdSYaManicKill: also, transceivers aren't cheap10:13
MartijnVdSfor fibre10:13
diddledan__I've got a gigabit-capable sfp port on my router - I want BT to install FTTP so that I can get superspeed10:15
diddledan__40 Mbps just doesn't cut it10:15
MartijnVdSI have a gigabit media converter in my house (and fibre going into it)10:15
MartijnVdSbut the other end is only 100mbit :(10:15
MartijnVdShance I only have 100/100 at home10:16
YaManicKillI just want decent speed wifi. Need to save up my pennies and get a decent router. I'm on 76Mb/s internet, but with the router that they provided me with, I'm getting max of 4MB/s10:17
MartijnVdSwifi is never as fast as advertised10:18
* popey hands YaManicKill an ethernet cable10:18
YaManicKillpopey: Oh, where do I plug that into my phone?10:19
popeyandroid phone?10:19
YaManicKillMartijnVdS: I know, but 4Mb/s is crap10:19
YaManicKillpopey: of course10:19
diddledan__do any androids support usb-ethernet adapters?10:19
popeyyeah, usb ethernet ☻10:19
popeyapple ones are best ㋛10:19
YaManicKillOh for crying out loud.10:19
popeywhy is your wifi so slow?10:19
YaManicKillWhat about my tablet? It doesn't support otg10:20
YaManicKillpopey: because it's a crappy router that plusnet gave me.10:20
popeyah, shame10:20
diddledan__plusnet -_-10:20
diddledan__cheap as chips10:20
popeyi had the same with my vm box so bought a netgear and slapped dd-wrt on it10:20
diddledan__but not as tasty10:20
YaManicKillAye, I'm just trying to prioritise money just now. Just bought a house, you see :-P10:21
YaManicKills/bought a house/about to buy a house/10:21
MartijnVdSsounds like the best time to invest in a proper router ;)10:24
YaManicKillYep, but just need to convince the wife we need a proper decent one.10:25
YaManicKills/proper decent/wifi ac/10:25
bigcalmConstantly getting "Error: bad minute" from crontab. Are there rules for how comments should be constructed?10:27
popey# this is a comment10:27
MartijnVdSmake sure # is at the start of the line10:27
bigcalmYep, that's the case10:28
MartijnVdSbad minute could indicate someone used a minute > 5910:28
bigcalmI replaced all of the blank lines with # # and now it works10:29
bigcalmSince when does crontab not like blank lines?10:29
MartijnVdSbigcalm: then they weren't really blank. Did they contain spaces?10:29
foobarrywhen there's special characters10:29
MartijnVdSbigcalm: also.. DOS line endings maybe? :)10:29
bigcalmAhhhh, the line endings could be the issue!10:31
MartijnVdSbigcalm: so.. do you want authorization to hurt the author? :)10:32
bigcalmMartijnVdS: chance would be a fine thing10:34
bigcalm^M everywhere10:34
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MartijnVdSwho invented those horrible things anyway10:37
davmor2bigcalm: I never add blank lines to crontab.  I just type in the comment and then the command next line is the next comment.10:46
bigcalmTaken from a website somewhere: Crontab delimits jobs with line breaks (newlines). Each job occupies one line. Therefore, if crontab sees anything other than an integer in the first column of a line, it throws the “bad minute” error, since the minute argument is the first one crontab encounters.10:55
Dave2well that's wrong10:56
Dave2you can have comments in cron10:56
foobarryi remember getting emails from crontab in the past10:56
bigcalmComments are ignored10:56
foobarry"there are blank lines in your corontab"10:56
Dave2Yes. But they are newlines which don't start with integers.10:56
MartijnVdSthe cron I know can handle that fine10:56
bigcalmWould be nice if crontab would ignore blank lines as well10:56
YaManicKillEasy fix though... just have a blank comment line10:57
YaManicKillSorted :-)10:57
bigcalmThis is the default cron in 12.0410:57
MartijnVdSOr a long comment line: 0 * * * * /bin/true10:57
bigcalmYaManicKill: just done that, looks horrible10:57
YaManicKillbigcalm: better than nothing10:58
MartijnVdSbigcalm: how does a default 12.04 crontab end up with dos line endings10:58
bigcalmI know, the deployment script can remove blank lines from the file before it copies to the destination10:58
bigcalmMartijnVdS: line endings are no longer the issue10:58
MartijnVdSbigcalm: Blank lines in crontab are fine in Ubuntu's cron10:59
MartijnVdSyou're aware /etc/cron.d/* crontabs use a different format?10:59
MartijnVdSwith the username to run as between the time and the command10:59
MartijnVdSman 5 crontab, too10:59
MartijnVdSthat manual claims:11:00
bigcalmMartijnVdS: yes11:00
MartijnVdS       Blank lines and leading spaces and tabs are ignored.  Lines whose first11:00
MartijnVdS       non-space  character  is a hash-sign (#) are comments, and are ignored.11:00
bigcalmYep, it's the line endings then. This is nuts11:00
bigcalmMy IDE should be saving everything with \n11:00
Dave2The line ending, on a blank line, is also the line beginning.</zen>11:01
MartijnVdSDave2: ^$11:01
foobarry674234368 bytes (674 MB) copied, 329.015 s, 2.0 MB/s11:10
foobarrycopying to a usb stick..2MB/s :-|11:10
arsenanyone have any recommended dedicated server providers? not too fussed where it is, currently using a ~£25/mo OVH box but its a bit tired :(11:16
foobarryhow can i boot a mac mini from usb if the windows key isn't recognised on the keyboard?11:18
foobarryanswer:burn a cd11:23
bigcalmIs there a cli util to convert line endings to \n for a given file/files?11:31
MartijnVdSbigcalm: "fromdos"11:31
MartijnVdSyou can also use sed but that takes work to figure out :)11:31
bigcalmDoesn't appear to be installed by default, but okay11:31
MartijnVdSsudo apt-get install tofrodos11:31
foobarryto frodos!11:51
foobarryisn't that what the hobbits say?11:51
davmor2MartijnVdS: tofrodos for breakfast11:55
* popey considers lunch12:07
MartijnVdSdavmor2: as in "I'll have two frodos for breakfast"12:07
davmor2MartijnVdS: that's just gluttony12:11
MartijnVdSdavmor2: ok, maybe I'll save one for second breakfast then12:11
davmor2MartijnVdS: haha12:12
foobarryhmm booting linux on a mac seems overly complex12:14
MartijnVdSfoobarry: they're made to run macos after all12:15
foobarryhow dare they12:16
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TheOpenSourcererWhy can't I compare Radio 4 ;-)12:25
MartijnVdSwhy can't I compare Dutch radio stations ;)12:25
popeyhehe, just booted a viglen mpc-l, its running lucid12:30
popeyanyone want to take a guess when it was last booted? (it's fscking now) - will check the log when it's done12:31
davmor2popey: 2011-01-2812:40
davmor2popey: that would give you a month or two before you got bored :)12:41
popeystill says 70% and no disk activity ⍨12:43
DJonesHave MS actually bought Nokia's mobile phone business, just a bit confused as to why Nokia would bring out an Android phone (even if it is supposed to be skinned to look like Windows mobile) if they're owned my MS12:46
diddledan__DJones: maybe they had that on the drawing board already before MS bought them12:47
DJonesdiddledan__: Yeah, thats what I'm guessing/reading12:47
foobarryMyrtti is our resident expert on these things12:47
foobarrynokia stuffs12:48
MyrttiNokia wasn't sold12:48
* foobarry is dipping his BLT sandwich into carrot and coriander soup..yum12:48
Myrttiand Nokia isn't owned by MS12:48
diddledan__Myrtti: afaik the phone business was12:49
MyrttiMartijnVdS: MS has no reason to buy the rest of the company12:49
Myrttiand it's doubtful it would be sold12:49
DJonesdiddledan__: As I read it, the deal hasn't been completed yet for the phone business yet12:49
diddledan__Myrtti: "nokia" isn't allowed to operate in a competitive field for 2 years last I heard of the "deal"12:50
Myrttiyes, but it's also probable that the Android development started before the purchase plans were published12:51
Myrttiso the fact they've done something like that isn't surprising at all12:51
diddledan__indeed, that would be my guess12:52
MyrttiFollowing the sale, Nokia will focus on three core business units; its Here mapping service (which Microsoft will license for four years under the deal), its infrastructure division Nokia Solutions and Networks (NSN), and on developing and licensing its "advanced technologies".12:53
Myrttiso whatever that R&D on 'advanced technologies' is...12:54
diddledan__nano bacon?13:00
brobostigonrobo bacon?13:01
diddledan__that's end of the world tech that13:01
davmor2guys you need maxo bacon not nano you'd hardly taste it else :D13:02
diddledan__speaking of robots. there's a straight-to-dvd movie I wanna watch - it's got both robots AND zombies!13:02
diddledan__can't remember the title tho13:02
diddledan__here 'tis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XMsC1KiRaQ13:03
popey72% - man this is taking ages13:05
MartijnVdSpopey: still fscking?13:05
popeydisk blink very sporadically13:06
bigcalmHow much of the HDD did you use in it?13:07
bigcalmI still have 2 doing nothing. No idea what to do with them13:08
bigcalmAnybody want 2 door stops?13:08
popeyi think it was 80G13:10
popeyI'm giving mine to @andysc because his died13:11
DJonesbigcalm: If a relative was still alive, I'd tell her to ask you for a door stop, she used to use a 2" WW2 shell as a door stop13:11
popeyforgot how quiet these are13:11
bigcalmNo fan iirc13:13
bigcalmBut a really REALLY bright blue LED on front13:13
bigcalmWhich lights up a whole room, stopping one from sleeping. Tape to the rescue13:13
MartijnVdSsolder and a regular diode :)13:14
MartijnVdSI'm thinking of getting a JBC36213:15
MartijnVdSfanless, dual gigabit ethernet13:15
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MartijnVdSGMA500 graphics though.. but I'm not going to use that anyway13:19
popeyyeah, that LED is a bit bright13:20
MartijnVdSpopey: wow, it's getting faster13:20
davmor2popey: isn't the first 50% finding out is there is issue and the final 50% fixing them :)13:29
JGJonespopey - is it your btrfs partition?13:33
popeya viglen13:33
davmor2JGJones: no on lucid :)#13:33
JGJonesah. Should get a Granny™ to do it. They're very patient. (Was told by a friend upgrading a PC for his gran recently. 256MB. And she was using Vista. No it's not slow for her).13:36
MartijnVdSpopey: has it hit 80% yet?13:52
MartijnVdSwhat's it *doing*13:53
popeywell indeed13:55
popeyi just see a plymouth(?) screen and a checking thing13:55
SuperMattwooo, dkim set up on my server14:01
czajkowskisomeone put me out of my misery14:08
czajkowskican you alphabetical sort stuff on lo or google docs14:09
czajkowskior is it staring me in the face14:09
TheOpenSourcererczajkowski: yes14:11
czajkowskiyes it's starting at me where......14:13
TheOpenSourcererWhat, exactly, do you want to sort?14:13
czajkowskia list of cities14:13
TheOpenSourcererIn a spreadsheet?14:13
czajkowskinope in a plai document14:14
MartijnVdSczajkowski: sort list_of_cities.txt14:14
czajkowskiI was going to use a spreadsheet but if I copy that into the document it copies the table and I don't need the table14:14
MartijnVdSczajkowski: sort list_of_cities.txt > sorted_list_of_cities.txt (don't use the same filename twice!)14:14
MartijnVdSczajkowski: can't you shift+paste ("Paste Special" -> text only)14:14
czajkowskithat may work14:15
czajkowskiseems to be a fairly simple thing to want to do in a document but missing from LO and Google docs14:15
bashrcadd it as a feature request14:16
TheOpenSourcererYou can do this in spreadsheet - not sure about in a writer or doc...14:16
MartijnVdSalso, it would work if you used LaTeX source and vim ;)14:17
czajkowskiMartijnVdS: bah14:18
czajkowskibashrc: indeed14:18
TheOpenSourcererwhy not just C&P into something that you can sort then C&P back?14:18
popeythats what I'd do14:18
czajkowskitrue I guess14:19
czajkowskijust baffling that it's missing14:19
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SuperMattMornington Crescent14:21
davmor2czajkowski: don't forget that documents are dumb.  The cleverness comes from what you do with it.  Like running sort etc14:21
TheOpenSourcererMornington Crescent!14:21
MartijnVdSthat's numberwang!14:21
SuperMatttoo slow man14:21
SuperMattI've already won14:21
TheOpenSourcererI had it ready14:21
TheOpenSourcererbut got sidetracked by a though about Ajax.14:22
czajkowskiright sorted it14:26
czajkowskiinto spreadsheet and sort it14:26
czajkowskithanks folks14:26
popey82 ☹14:36
czajkowskiwhat game are we playing14:36
czajkowski4 - the hours left in todays work day :)14:36
popeypercentage fscked of my viglen I booted up after an unknown period of time14:37
foobarrywhy so slow?14:38
foobarryi had sparc 10's fsck quicker than that14:38
popeyno idea14:38
popeyi cant tell what it's doing14:39
popeyit's an 80GB HDD with an AMD Geode CPU and not much RAM14:39
diddledan__I like how when you say "it's fscking the disc" it could conceivably be either good OR bad14:56
diddledan__ARGH MY DISC IS FSCKED!14:56
diddledan__or dammit it fscked my disc last night!14:56
SuperMattI think it'll be just about done by dinner time14:58
brobostigonhttps://github.com/keelanc/bcsexagesimal/blob/master/src/bcsexagesimal.c now this i like.15:01
foobarryoperation "close chrome tabs" is in effect15:08
diploSorry, the program "run" closed unexpectedly15:10
foobarrydiplo: #windows?15:10
diploNope 13.1015:11
diddledan__that's a very generic program name15:11
foobarrya.out ?15:11
diploheh, why I posted it, was Hotot crashed15:11
foobarryi remember hotot15:12
foobarryused to use it years ago15:12
diploThis PC stays on 24/5 - But after 2 days or so Hotot crashes with that15:12
diploNot really an inconvenience but maybe worth bug reporting it I guess15:13
MartijnVdSpopey: maybe it'll get to 100% before the weekend!15:13
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Myrttisuction cups are stupid15:41
MyrttiI've got an obsession on sticking them on the skin15:41
Dave2That's one way to interpret that15:45
Dave2Although now I bet the next time I see a suction cup I'm going to try that. (I probably have too much hair for one to stick though.)15:45
MartijnVdSDave2: try when you've just shaved15:46
Myrttidon't put it on your forehead for prolonged periods.15:46
Myrttinuff said15:46
MartijnVdSMyrtti: why?15:46
Myrttidon't put it anywhere visible for prolonged periods15:46
MyrttiMartijnVdS: because suction cups suc15:47
Dave2I'd hope they do15:47
Dave2MartijnVdS: now that's an idea.15:47
Myrttiif you didn't get the wisdom behind 'suction cups suck' and 'don't put them anywhere visible on your skin for prolonged periods', don't worry, it'll appear to you in about half an hour15:49
MyrttiI'm obviously *not* speaking from experience15:50
Dave2Now you're just making me want to try even more.15:50
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JGJonesIs there a package for that?15:57
JGJonesWhat time did you start popey?15:58
* DJones predicts a power cut at popey's in about an hour15:59
JGJonesStorms expected tonight. High possibility of power cuts.16:14
JGJonesOh nothing to worry about, it's not as if we have anything we're waiting for.16:15
foobarrywaiting 2 weeks for 2 repair man to arrive16:15
popeyoh ffs16:28
popeylaptop froze, rebooted16:28
popeynow x wont start16:28
popey[    13.922] (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.16:28
popeywhat the hell16:28
popeyrestarted lightdm16:30
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davmor2popey: man that is still going17:09
popeydisk is probably utterly broken17:10
popeyand when it finally boots there'll be like a bazillion broken sectors17:10
bigcalmpopey: want a replacement? ;)17:25
bigcalmSurprised but pleased that the Revo is still working well as my parents' server17:27
popeyyeah, my revo is chugging along17:28
diddledan__first generation atoms those if memory serves?17:36
popeyatom + nvidia17:42
diddledan__the nvidia chip was actually pretty awesome17:43
popeywith vdpau it was17:43
diddledan__made it a sweet media-centre with vdpau17:43
brobostigonany suggestions for a more detailed android battery usage meters, than the standard one. please.17:50
popeybrobostigon: battery widget17:57
brobostigonthank you popey17:57
popey\o/ fsck done!17:57
bigcalmDo I order this or keep looking? http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-SG108-8-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B00A121WN6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=LXT6MFP2WUWA&coliid=I3CSVGNLRUBWZ418:03
diddledan__popey: does it still work?18:04
diddledan__bigcalm: switches got cheap18:04
bigcalmdiddledan__: they did18:04
popeylooks okay18:05
diddledan__bigcalm: I remember buying a huge-ass 10Mbps HUB (NOT switch) for just shy of a ton back in the 90s18:05
bigcalmI want this though: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005UGRIIG/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d3_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=07N8057S8YWC7WBNRSXB&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455344027&pf_rd_i=46829418:05
diddledan__yeah, the netgear prosafe range are pretty solid18:06
bigcalmpopey: want to buy back this WNDR3700? ;)18:06
popeywhat's wrong with it?18:06
popeyalso, how much did you give me for it?18:06
diddledan__not enough ports :-p18:06
popey(I may)18:07
diddledan__popey: does he make a loss on it, break even or get a small profit (should you buy it back)?18:07
bigcalmpopey: nothing wrong with it except that I need more than the 4 ethernet ports it provides.18:09
bigcalmpopey: £5018:09
bigcalmIt might make me consider the Netgear Wireless-N 8 Port Gigabit VPN Firewall18:10
bigcalmI still have this WNDR3800 I bricked. Never got around to trying to fix it18:11
bigcalmAnybody heard of / used pcmshop.com ?   http://www.pcmshop.info/Netgear-8-Port-ProSafe-Wireless-N-Gigabit-VPN-Firewall-FVS318N-100NAS-A548553018:13
ali1234i'll give you £20 for the WNDR3800. or i'll fix it for £20.18:15
bigcalmThere's no advantage of doing so (for me) as it's the same number of ports18:16
bigcalmI have a usb ttl device, just need to get around to plugging it in18:17
bigcalmI wonder if the netgear switch I'm looking at has the NSA loving going on18:19
MartijnVdSbigcalm: dumb switch or smart18:21
bigcalmMartijnVdS: the one with wifi, so smart18:21
MartijnVdSbigcalm: then maybe18:21
MartijnVdSbigcalm: but if it's firewalled so it can't talk to the outside AND nothing from the outside can talk to it.. how is it going to talk to them?18:22
bigcalmI want to buy this as it'll mean that I don't need an extra mains socket in use18:23
bigcalmI like things to be neat18:23
bigcalmpopey: or was is £70. One of those two numbers anyway :)18:25
DJonesbigcalm: Has your laptop arrived yet?18:29
DJonesMissed the last 48 hours on IRC due to a funeral18:30
bigcalmDJones: sorry man :(18:30
bigcalmDJones: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/426375609325858816/photo/118:30
bigcalmDJones: very nice so far. Had a problem with 14.04 where the laptop would power back on after being told to shut down. But that issue appears to have gone away after trying the upstream kernel and then going back to the ubuntu one - most odd18:31
bigcalmDJones: the keys will take some getting used to. They remind me of the keys on a public internet phone18:32
bigcalmDJones: the mouse pad is annoying as the left and right mouse buttons are also track pad18:32
ali1234MartijnVdS: what they do is intercept the package after it leaves the seller and before it gets to you. they put in a small circuit board which is about 1cmx1cm, and that contains a radio that copies all ethernet packets. they can then monitor you from up to 8 miles away.18:32
bigcalmDJones: the touch screen is just a gimmick (to me) as Ubuntu isn't really set up for touch yet18:32
DJonesbigcalm: Interesting, at least it will install Ubuntu without issues from the sound of things18:33
MartijnVdSali1234: ah wait that one. Just open the case yourself first :)18:33
DJonesbigcalm: But looks nice18:33
bigcalmDJones: yes. As long as the install media isn't corrupted (as mine was 1st time)18:33
ali1234yeah the thing is that that small circuit is built into the ethernet connector18:33
ali1234so you won't see it if you just open the case18:33
MartijnVdSali1234: also, 8 miles? I can't even get wifi over 100m18:33
ali1234you have to xray the circuit board18:33
ali1234it might have been 8km. probably not though, US hates metric18:34
DJonesbigcalm: Its tempting......................................18:34
bigcalmDJones: it's heavy - cast AU. Also getting used to it18:34
DJonesbigcalm: How is it with Minecraft18:34
bigcalmDJones: yet to try that! Heh18:34
DJonesThats the killer app...18:34
MartijnVdSbigcalm: cast Al I hope. Au is a bit expensive to make laptops out ofg18:34
bigcalmErm, yes, Al :D18:35
DJonesCast Gold?18:35
MartijnVdSDJones: you don't have a gold laptop?18:36
bigcalmDJones: the battery is under the back panel that has to be unscrewed to access. So don't expect a 3rd party enhancement any time soon18:36
bigcalmDJones: I've yet to see what the battery performance is like yet. Only been setting things up so far18:36
DJonesbigcalm: Cheers, will give it a week then will poke your brain18:37
MartijnVdSbigcalm: my XPS-12 can go for about 6 hours18:37
bigcalmDJones: this is the output of lspci http://paste.ubuntu.com/6803821/ - Bloody optimus :S18:37
DJonesHeh, thought that might be an issue18:37
bigcalmDJones: don't leave it too long, Dell are doing free shipping at the moment18:37
bigcalmMartijnVdS: this isn't an XPS and it's a larger screen. I have high hopes though :)18:38
MartijnVdSbigcalm: it is haswell though, right?18:38
DJonesbigcalm: ...points at work credit credit card...18:38
bigcalmMartijnVdS: yes18:38
bigcalmDJones: if you make it a work purchase, I'm sure you could get it cheaper than the 799 I paid18:39
bigcalmMartijnVdS: what's haswell?18:39
MartijnVdSbigcalm: your laptop18:39
bigcalmAh, okay18:40
DJonesbigcalm: Probably not18:40
bigcalmDJones: work bought me my Alienware X51 - much cheaper than doing so as a consumer as the sales reps all want the commission so can drop the price18:41
DJonesbigcalm: Don't think there will be much difference18:41
bigcalmI'll check Minecraft in a bit ;)18:43
davmor2bigcalm: sometimes I wonder if you bother to read the things you paste what haswell ;)19:05
mappsphw my nexus7 charged19:13
mappsthought it was broked:D wouldnt turn on and didnt show the battery icon when i plugged it in19:13
mappsbut left it for hours and its now charged and powered up19:13
diddledan__mapps: running ubuntu?19:15
mappsnot tried that yet19:20
mappsperhapos i should19:20
bigcalmdavmor2: I really don't know what haswell is though :)19:21
diddledan__I've read that in the past some people have had issues similar to that when running ubuntu on there where their device will drain down so completely that it won't charge (sometimes using a specific model of charger has overcome the problem)19:21
* bigcalm doesn't know about hardware19:22
* bigcalm goes to eat food instead19:22
davmor2bigcalm: the line from your lspci paste actually gives a pretty good description hence saying what I said :P19:22
mappsdiddledan__,  i remember reading that same happens with nexus7 running droid ..if its drains completely it takes hours to charge..but there was also the problem where it wouldnt charge at all sometimes..my first n7 i had to take back to argos19:22
mappsit ran down and then no matter what i did couldnbt get ut to charge up19:22
MartijnVdSwow. g+ is flaky atm19:24
diddledan__I guess when it completely runs out of juice the hardware can't rebootstrap enough to get the charging software to put the device into a charging state until after it's got enough charge to be able to run the software (catch 22)19:24
mappsi never used g+19:24
diddledan__I forget to use g+19:24
davmor2diddledan__: I haven't had that issue19:24
diddledan__also most the folk I know apart from you lot aren't on there19:25
diddledan__one major annoyance I have with g+ is that it doesn't ajax new content until you click the "new" button19:26
davmor2diddledan__: are you saying you know people outside of us?  :P19:26
diddledan__davmor2: good point19:26
diddledan__so when does google become wayland corp and own the entire planet?19:27
mappsfree taxis19:28
mappswhatever next19:28
davmor2diddledan__: no Intel become wayland.  Google become skynet19:29
mappswhat a nuisance..lost my passport between manchester airport and home;/19:29
diddledan__ergh, mapps that sucks19:29
mappsgotta get a replacement lost/stolen fill in a new form..a lost form 2 new photos AND get it all countersigned19:30
diddledan__and, free taxis? shuddup and take my money!19:30
mappsright pain if it was a rep[lacement dont need countersign but as its lost i do..luckily my friends wifes a teacher19:30
diddledan__oh. no money involved.19:30
mappsbut it also says 'may have to come for an interview to prove your identity' lol shouldnt they be more worred about the people they dont know are here and illegals on fake passports..than me a genuine brit19:30
mappsthinking of going away in March too so must get it sorted19:31
DJonesmapps: How do they know you're a genuine BRIT though, as against somebody who's looked at a gravestone for a random DOB19:34
mappsit asks my mum/dads dob place of birty etc too19:35
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DJonesYeah, but .... google.... or more specialised family history websites19:36
diddledan__they should implant a chip at birth and then you can just wave your foot over a head-height scanner19:36
MartijnVdS"Sorry, you can't ride this roller coaster"19:37
DJonesdiddledan__: Only after the replacement hips19:37
DJonesdiddledan__: You have a lot of tails19:37
diddledan__either that or minority-report style retina scanners everywhere19:38
shaunoI'd totally be in favour of the implant idea, if we could actually trust anyone to compartmentalize data cleanly19:38
diddledan__shauno: gchq are being fasttracked through the court of human rights19:39
diddledan__technically it's a challenge to gchq that's being fasttracked**19:39
diddledan__I guess the court things something might be amiss?19:40
mappsabout what?19:43
mappsand yes retina scanners/chips :D do away with passports19:43
shaunojust saying I like the idea but not the side effects.  I like the idea of having scanners in door handles so your front door works magically; in laptops so it only works for the right users, etc19:45
shaunobut my landlord, employer, border control, boots don't all need access to the same info.  and we've wound up in a strange place where they all would19:45
DJonesshauno: as long as you don't work for google/ms/spammer/government/nsa etc I'm sure the info wouldn't be available :)19:48
shaunoI dunno.  tesco probably know more about me than the state.  phillips probably have better records of when I'm home or not than I do.  it's pretty much everywhere now20:00
Myrttistupid Google20:04
mappsthat was strange20:10
mappshttps:// is my dir containing cgiirc on my server and it was saying server error..perhaps downtime or exceeded capacity..restarted apache and it worked fine hm20:10
shaunohah, I just noticed valve released their own version of 'ye olde steamos'.  very cool  (yes, I'm a bit late)20:30
directhexyeah, but theirs doesn't support dmraid20:31
directhexi do a video of that, and i get a queue out the door of people offering me "services" as thanks20:31
shaunoyeah, I noticed your comparison on the forum20:31
diddledan__as in personal or bona fide?20:32
MartijnVdSpro bono?20:33
mappswhat would it be useful for shauno20:36
MartijnVdS oh wow.. look what I just found: http://i.imgur.com/vy9q7tf.jpg20:38
diddledan__which version of the kernel was that?20:38
MartijnVdSlet me check20:39
diddledan__2.4 or earlier? :-p20:39
MartijnVdSit has http://www.toms.net/rb/ on it20:39
diddledan__16MB of RAMS!20:39
MartijnVdSdiddledan__: "Slink and a half with a 2.2.13 kernel"20:39
shaunoheh, I still have the old-style fsf membership 'card' in the same format20:39
diddledan__I'd like to see you try to put it into a slot-load dvd drive :-p20:40
diddledan__aka every mac since 200520:40
MartijnVdSall files are from 1999-200020:40
MartijnVdSjanuary 200020:41
shaunoheh, my mac doesn't have a dvd drive :)  but the one ones are usb20:41
diddledan__shauno: yeah, but that's because you broke it20:41
shaunonah it still works.  it's in a drawer somewhere, I think20:42
diddledan__my mac has a usb dvd drive because it didn't come with one20:42
MartijnVdSI'm going to boot it in a vm20:43
MartijnVdSor not.. I'm going to make an iso anyway20:43
diddledan__it'll fly even in qemu's emulation mode (as opposed to hardwared virtualisation - kvm or kqemu e.g.)20:44
MartijnVdSdiddledan__: oh probably :)20:44
shaunoI appear to have broken my fireplace.  I didn't know that was possible :/20:44
daftykinsas in an electric/gas fire unit?20:44
MartijnVdSshauno: chimney fire?20:44
diddledan__shauno: you're pretty good at breaking things20:45
shaunonah, the grate snapped20:45
shaunonot gas/electric, fireplace = a hole in the wall you burn stuff in20:45
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daftykinsfair enough20:45
diddledan__like photos of the ex?20:45
daftykinsthe term is often misused20:45
diddledan__or better - like voodoo dolls of the ex?20:46
daftykinsnearly time for your weekend sleeping pills diddledan! :D20:48
MartijnVdShttp://tomorrowcorporation.com/littleinferno (available on steam on linux)20:49
Azelphurhey MartijnVdS a while back we were working on getting my IPv6 going, and my ISP needed to give me some details and activate me20:58
MartijnVdSAzelphur: and, did they? :)20:59
AzelphurMartijnVdS: they did indeed, here's the info they gave me http://pastebin.com/ZpaHmQWa20:59
MartijnVdSAzelphur: ah so it's a manual job :)20:59
diddledan__google+ being down has made the news: http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/24/gmail-goes-down-across-the-world/21:00
Azelphurso on openwrt, I assume I'm editing my wan6 interface21:00
MartijnVdSAzelphur: can you paste your /etc/config/network as well?21:00
MartijnVdSAzelphur: (you can blank out any passwords)21:00
diddledan__Azelphur: which isp are you using?21:01
diddledan__(sheer curiosity here)21:01
AzelphurMartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/i0f8JYnj21:01
Azelphurdiddledan__: enta.net21:01
MartijnVdSAzelphur: http://pastebin.com/EpSxJLgu -- I've modified it a bit :)21:04
MartijnVdSAzelphur: - ip6assign on interface lan is now 64, so autoconfigure will actually work21:05
MartijnVdSAzelphur: - wan6 is now static/manually configured21:05
Azelphurso just drop that config in, and then networking restart?21:05
MartijnVdSI suppose21:05
diddledan__except ipv4 won't work then21:06
diddledan__oh wait21:06
diddledan__ignore me21:06
diddledan__ip4 is configged by pppoe21:06
MartijnVdS/ignore diddledan__21:06
diddledan__/nick diddledan_21:06
* MartijnVdS hopes Azelphur didn't drop off the net21:08
AzelphurMartijnVdS: nah, I'm back21:11
Azelphurit's actually looking a little hopeful21:11
AzelphurMartijnVdS: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-24-211126_1702x915_scrot.png21:11
Azelphurbut http://test-ipv6.com/ says I don't have IPv6 :(21:12
MartijnVdSAzelphur: let me try :)21:12
Azelphuralso for some reason my DNS stopped working21:12
Azelphurswapped from my ISPs DNS to google DNS to resolve that, though21:13
shaunocurious, if you're assigning it to wan6, why does wan have a v6 address and wan6 doesn't?21:13
MartijnVdSshauno: openwrt handles interface aliases strangely21:13
shaunojust curious.  it makes it a bit strange trying to compare the config to the apparent output21:14
MartijnVdSAzelphur: on the device, can you do "route  -n -A inet6"21:15
MartijnVdSAzelphur: and pastebin it21:15
AzelphurMartijnVdS: on router or PC?21:15
MartijnVdSAzelphur: on the router21:15
AzelphurMartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u6b66KzV21:16
diddledan__your default ::1 route looks odd21:16
MartijnVdSeverything to :: seems odd21:17
diddledan__oh wait21:17
diddledan__that's loopback21:17
diddledan__ignore me again21:17
diddledan__::/0 is default route21:17
diddledan__which you don't have one of21:17
diddledan__so your router doesn't know where to send ip6 packets that need to leave your network21:17
MartijnVdSbut that's what ip6gw should be for21:18
MartijnVdSprobably best to ask on an OpenWRT-specific channel21:18
diddledan__ip6gw is to a network not a single ip - it should have a :2 at the end?21:19
ujjain1I am going to move to London.21:19
MartijnVdSdiddledan__: nah, his ISP gave him an entire /64 for a single PTP link between router and ISP21:19
MartijnVdSdiddledan__: so I'm guessing :0 and :1 are used for that21:19
MartijnVdSbut I have no idea..21:19
AzelphurMartijnVdS: righto I'll move to #openwrt, could you jump in and perhaps dumb down things they say xD21:19
MartijnVdSAzelphur: just say you got those things from your ISP <pastebin here>, and this is your config now <pastebin here>, and if they have pointers to help make it work21:20
MartijnVdSAzelphur: because routes don't seem to be getting set correctly :)21:20
MartijnVdSAzelphur: can you paste the output of "ifconfig -a" as well?21:20
AzelphurMartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/hADGLDBr21:21
MartijnVdSnoything weird that I can see, but ask  openwrt :)21:22
ujjain1MartijnVdS, do you live in the UK?21:23
MartijnVdSujjain1: no21:23
ujjain1ah ok, Holland then.21:23
diddledan__holland is the next logical location after the uk?21:24
MartijnVdSdiddledan__: of course!21:24
MartijnVdSdiddledan__: for everything!21:24
diddledan__MartijnVdS: except bandwidth where the roles are reversed - you've pretty much got the whole internet thing sewn up over there21:25
MartijnVdSdiddledan__: yup :)21:25
ujjain1diddledan__, he has a Dutch name.21:25
diddledan__ujjain1: I ignore the j and just pronounce it Martin21:26
ujjain1well, I am going to move to London from the Netherlands and I am scared, financially etc., but I feel I am being to anxious anyway.21:26
ujjain1haha yeah,21:26
ujjain1I recently saw a map of Europe´s funniest accents in English, I laughed when I saw #1 French, I was a bit sad when I saw #2 Dutch.21:26
diddledan__they're funnier than scottish or scouse??21:27
diddledan__www.worldenergy is down - I can't get in via ssh and I don't have any other access details to get into the machine to see why mysql isn't working21:30
diddledan__I guess it's going to remain down till after the weekend21:31
shaunoI will admit, the size of subnets still boggles my mind.  "I can has ipv6?"  "sure kid, have a /56" takes some getting used to21:58
shaunoI have two /48's, one on each router.  that makes my head hurt21:58
diddledan__shauno: that's a LOT of address space (2x/48)22:03
shaunoit's just funny the way it works out.  get a /48, nice and easy.  try to point one /56 to one endopint and another /56 to another .. it's easier for them to just dole out another /4822:06
shaunonow that's a 10-minute class you'll remember22:11
shaunoI was reading about the 'rosetta' mission recently.  it still amazes me that they can target a tiny little rock in the middle of one big nothing, and hit it22:13
diddledan__more info: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/22/amateurs_tag_new_supernova/22:14
diddledan__shauno: and yet they aim at mars and miss so much they can't even figure out where the damned thing went22:14
shaunohey, there's a lot of nothing out there22:15
diddledan__but doing the numbers right is kinda an obvious thing to try, though, no?22:16
shaunoI've been playing a whole lot of KSP .. I still have a little dude in a tin can somewhere that I have no idea how to bring home.  one 'oopsie' is all it takes22:16
diddledan__KSP is awesome. I haven't got out of kerbin's gravity yet22:17
diddledan__I don't play games much though22:17
shaunoI'm actually putting together a mars mission right now :)22:17
shaunocompletely overdone though.  I spend last night docking chunks together at 6-7 seconds per frame22:17
diddledan__that's SLOW22:18
diddledan__you must have had a helluva lot of components to be that slow22:18
shaunoto put it midly :)22:19
shaunohttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23042/Screen%20Shot%202014-01-24%20at%2008.01.51.png   (the stripey texturing is an odd glitch I keep hitting when I drive it too hard)22:21
shauno(the green section is a floating gas station, 90,000 units of fuel in orbit.  and red station is my 'tug' come to refuel.  it can tow pretty much anything I can put into orbit, to pretty much anywhere)22:23
shauno(I since discovered the coloured lights are a huge fps hit, but .. I like them :)22:36
AzelphurMartijnVdS: found a dude who's on enta+openwrt, he's gonna send me his configs in the morning \o/22:45
bigcalmTum te tum22:57
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shaunoI really should look into a new router.  atm I have one that has the throughput, but no toys (it's apple), and one that has teh powerz but lame throughput23:26
shaunoout of curiousity, I popped up a ssh honeypot.  the results after the first week kinda broke my stereotypes.  china's only in third place, after india & the US23:37
diddledan__shauno: proxies23:44
shaunoit doesn't seem so, actually.  they all came from a single host, but out-numbered everyone else23:45
shaunointeresting to trawl through the list of attempted passwords though23:47
shaunoI'm actually surprised to see not a single AWS address in 5,000 attempts, since they have something of a reputation for being a cesspool23:51
shaunoalso interesting to see a series of attempts from nanjing for root/alpine.  that's the default root pass on the iphone23:55
shaunoseems a bit tenuous, since you have to root your phone, install ssh but not change the password.  and then be behind a carrier that doesn't NAT mobile, assuming they exist23:58

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