| daftykins | time for an early one | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | nn all :) | 00:01 |
| diddledan | lol http://www.avclub.com/article/hbo-gos-new-ads-capture-awkwardness-watching-hbo-y-203710 | 00:07 |
| mapp | get | 04:28 |
| mapp | hey | 04:28 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 06:03 |
| Myrtti | möh | 06:05 |
| mapp | hey | 06:06 |
| mapp | hows it going guys | 06:06 |
| MooDoo | not 2 bad mapp you? | 06:07 |
| mapp | not bad just watching final bit of tv before bed | 06:08 |
| mapp | then il flick on the usual tv eps thati fall asleep to..2 broke girls..mom..the millers..seen em all soo many times:D | 06:08 |
| popey | Laney: you know pbuilder-dist a bit I believe? Is there an easy way to run some set of scripted commands in the pbuilder after doing a "pbuilder-dist <distro> <arch> login"? | 06:46 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: yes, there are hoook scripts for pbuilder | 06:46 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: check out the manpage (pbuilder) and /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples | 06:47 |
| MartijnVdS | F<digit><digit><whatever-else-you-want> is executed just before | 06:47 |
| MartijnVdS | user logs in, or program starts executing, after chroot is | 06:47 |
| MartijnVdS | created in --login or --execute target. | 06:47 |
| popey | hmmm | 06:59 |
| popey | huh, i was looking at the pbuilder-dist man page.. thanks | 07:00 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:05 |
| MooDoo | howdy diplo | 07:07 |
| smittix | Moaning | 07:23 |
| jussi | Huomenta :) | 07:26 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 07:27 |
| * smittix yawns | 07:29 | |
| dwatkins | hihi | 07:32 |
| smittix | Woken up with a cracking headache this morning. urgh | 07:32 |
| dwatkins | bah, smittix | 07:37 |
| popey | www.tomshardware.com/news/oneplus-android-smartphone-google-cyanogenmod,26610.html | 08:10 |
| === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc | ||
| jussi | popey: that looks interesting... | 08:40 |
| TwistedLucidity | $300...so that's £450? :-S | 08:48 |
| DJones | Plus vat | 08:49 |
| TwistedLucidity | Actually, at the bottom the stat €269 and €299. Not *that* bad. Still more than I can afford, mind you. | 08:50 |
| TwistedLucidity | "...they state..." | 08:50 |
| ujjain2 | I really moved to the UK and want to connect my TV (analog) and I assume I need a coax-cable (I asked too many people in the UK that didn't know what that is). On amazon.co.uk I see most cables are male-male, but I assume I need a male-female, right? Just connecting the TV to the analog TV port in my room. | 10:07 |
| MartijnVdS | wasn't analog TV discontinued in the UK? | 10:08 |
| MartijnVdS | Everything should be DVB now? | 10:08 |
| ujjain2 | ah really? so no more coax cables? | 10:08 |
| DJones | MartijnVdS: Analog has been, but even digital tv still uses teh same analog tv ariel | 10:09 |
| MartijnVdS | DJones: yes, but he specifically asked "analog"? | 10:09 |
| ujjain2 | Can I get free TV on my Samsung UE40F6200 from NL? It supports DVB-T, but I don't know what that means. I need to get a device that can pick up aerial messages from the air? | 10:10 |
| popey | DVB-T is what we use, yes | 10:12 |
| DJones | ujjain2: If a property has a tv ariel, they are normally a coax cable from the ariel into the house with a male connector to plug into the tv's ariel socket, the same ariel should feed both analog and digital signals | 10:13 |
| popey | assuming it points to a digital terrestrial capable transmitter.. | 10:13 |
| DJones | You would hope so, is there anywhere thats not getting digital tv now, I thought the changeover had been completed | 10:14 |
| popey | yes, changeover is complete | 10:14 |
| popey | what was that website which lists which transmitter you're pointing at? | 10:14 |
| popey | wolfbane! | 10:15 |
| popey | found it via my old dvb blog post | 10:15 |
| popey | ujjain2: www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe | 10:15 |
| ujjain2 | DJones, the property has a tv ariel yes. | 10:15 |
| ujjain2 | so that's male-female? | 10:15 |
| popey | stuick your postcode in that, and it should help you find out (with the compass direction) which transmitter you're pointing at | 10:15 |
| popey | the UHF port is female, | 10:16 |
| popey | ujjain2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_aerial_plug | 10:17 |
| DJones | ujjain2: Most older properties just have a cable with a male connector at the end to plug into the tv (the other end just goes straight to the ariel), newer properties/flats etc could well have a wall mounted socket that you'd need to plug a short coax cable into, I guess that would just depend on whether the fitter used a male or female wall socket as to which cable you'd need though | 10:18 |
| ujjain2 | aerial plug, antenna cable, coax cable, many terms, but I will just look at the plug and tv I guess, to see if it's male/female when I'm home | 10:18 |
| Myrtti | awwwww, no Unity Webplayer for Linux? | 10:18 |
| ujjain2 | ah right, I understand. | 10:18 |
| popey | Myrtti: sadly not | 10:19 |
| Myrtti | no Flappy48 then | 10:19 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 10:19 |
| popey | indeed | 10:19 |
| popey | that is the only use I've had for it ever | 10:19 |
| foobarry | anyone point me to good info about generating a csr file with a subject alternative name? | 10:21 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: you generate a CSR normally, then select the SANs on the signing end I think | 10:24 |
| MartijnVdS | apparently not always | 10:25 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/subjectAltName | 10:25 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: that explains how to do it using an OpenSSL config file | 10:25 |
| foobarry | ta | 10:27 |
| directhex | we use an openssl config to read it from an env var | 10:28 |
| directhex | subjectAltName=${ENV::ALTNAME} | 10:29 |
| directhex | then call "ALTNAME='DNS:foo.bar.com, DNS: foo2.bar.com' openssl whatever" | 10:29 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: oh that's an awesome idea | 10:30 |
| directhex | see also passing in HOST via commonName_default = $ENV::HOST | 10:31 |
| foobarry | altname is the website address only? | 10:48 |
| foobarry | doesn't include the hostname too | 10:48 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: if you look at the cacert howto page, it seems they don't set a CN, but it's still present in the CSR | 10:49 |
| MartijnVdS | It lists commands that let you list the contents of the CSR | 10:50 |
| directhex | foobarry, altname is a comma-and-space separated list of "DNS:somehost" entries | 10:50 |
| MartijnVdS | It seems like you need commonName = hostname *and* also add that hostname in the altName list | 10:51 |
| directhex | foobarry, it is *SSL library implementation specific* as to whether cn= is considered when altname is also present | 10:51 |
| foobarry | :S | 10:51 |
| directhex | iirc openssl does not, gnutls does | 10:51 |
| directhex | (safest to include it) | 10:51 |
| directhex | (assuming you need it) | 10:51 |
| * awilkins wants to smash Windows 2k12 server into a billion tiny pieces with a toffee hammer | 10:52 | |
| * dwatkins hands awilkins an installation DVD | 10:52 | |
| directhex | windows server 2012. because touchscreens! :D | 10:52 |
| awilkins | It takes _4 minutes_ to unpack a 200MB archive | 10:53 |
| awilkins | Same archive on my Linux desktop - 1.2s | 10:53 |
| * Myrtti is trying to allocate UK bank holidays into her vacation calendar | 10:53 | |
| awilkins | I have no idea what our IT department have done to it | 10:53 |
| Myrtti | meh. | 10:53 |
| awilkins | Have finally got an Apache Solr server running on it | 10:53 |
| awilkins | The dashboard doesn't work, and beacuse I can't get to port 8080 on this server | 10:54 |
| awilkins | I have to use the local instance of IE | 10:54 |
| awilkins | Not sure if the dashboard not working is because of IE, so using IE to download Firefox | 10:54 |
| awilkins | IE keeps crashing at 99% | 10:54 |
| * awilkins is feeling murderous | 10:54 | |
| directhex | Myrtti, https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays/england-and-wales.ics | 10:55 |
| Myrtti | directhex: yeah, but the problem is that I have to fill out which days I'd like to take off into this Googly Spreadsheet... | 10:55 |
| Myrtti | so no automation for Myrttis | 10:55 |
| awilkins | Also, clicking around on realllly slow desktop UI via RDP when I could just be TYPING COMMANDS is driving me cuckoo | 10:57 |
| foobarry | does alt_names require IPs too? | 10:57 |
| * awilkins watches IE stop at 98% download again | 10:57 | |
| dwatkins | awilkins: I feel your pain | 10:58 |
| directhex | foobarry, no. altname is just a list of valid hostnames for which the server connection is valid | 10:58 |
| dwatkins | I have to use virtual machines a lot, it's painful to have to wait to open menus | 10:58 |
| foobarry | ok , cheers | 10:58 |
| directhex | foobarry, e.g. if you ever try to go to "https://XYZ", every possible value for XYZ needs to be listed, but nothing else | 10:58 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk | ||
| foobarry | thx. i am slightly confused because there's an F5 load balancer in the process | 11:01 |
| dwatkins | I thought the trend now was to use hostnames, since IP addresses might change even if they're set by MAC address on the DHCP server etc. | 11:04 |
| foobarry | agree | 11:06 |
| dwatkins | some firewalls insist on IP addresses for whitelisting, but that's just not practical anymore, especially as many people use hosting services where a single IP address might be shared between multiple customers | 11:07 |
| === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g | ||
| Wobbo | How can I install Ubuntu on a USB. Really installing it, not like "Universal USB Installer". If I use that, I can't update it, etc. It isn't a real installing. | 11:16 |
| Wobbo | I have installed Ubuntu normally on a USB, but than de bios can't use it. | 11:17 |
| popey | i have done this a few times | 11:19 |
| popey | boot from an ubuntu iso on one usb stick, insert another, and install onto it | 11:19 |
| popey | the key is to make sure the usb device is set as where the installer puts grub | 11:19 |
| popey | if you dont do that it wont be bootable | 11:19 |
| Wobbo | Ubuntu made on my laptop a /boot/efi fat | 11:19 |
| Wobbo | I think that for the fast load think | 11:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Wobbo: EFI only understands (a subset of) FAT | 11:32 |
| NET||abuse | hmm, it's a little offtopic today, but any suggestions on a modern router to use for my friends home web design business setup. he's got 3 servers and 8 pc's, want to do a nice setup with dmz setup as he hosts client facing stuff off his home servers, | 11:44 |
| MartijnVdS | NET||abuse: Routerboard/Mikrotik? | 11:45 |
| NET||abuse | and he's looking to do some cloud hosted production work, but ultimately justto make sure he has a decently flexible solutoin | 11:45 |
| MartijnVdS | NET||abuse: Really, check out the Routerboard stuff :) | 11:46 |
| NET||abuse | will do :) ok. | 11:46 |
| NET||abuse | hmm, looks like the basic option of the R750UP is available to his local supplier | 11:48 |
| NET||abuse | MartijnVdS: what's the advantage of this router? | 11:51 |
| NET||abuse | why this over others? | 11:52 |
| NET||abuse | isthe os particularly well featured? | 11:52 |
| NET||abuse | or is a little embeded linux/bsd box? | 11:52 |
| MartijnVdS | NET||abuse: it's got Linux embedded, and the company makes a whole range of good but cheap routers etc. | 11:53 |
| NET||abuse | pretty cool. | 11:53 |
| MartijnVdS | NET||abuse: also, they make the tiny wifi APs and big lots-of-port routers and switches | 11:54 |
| MartijnVdS | and their software/UI is great | 11:54 |
| NET||abuse | definately a plus on the UI side, he's no need for wifi, just need flexible hardwire router | 11:56 |
| MartijnVdS | NET||abuse: they also have those | 11:57 |
| NET||abuse | he's got a switch with 4 ip's from his ip, so he just needs to mount up 2 ip's from his connection, and assign one port as a dmz for his servers | 11:57 |
| NET||abuse | umm, from his ISP :P | 11:57 |
| NET||abuse | finding my keyboard setup a bit stupid today. | 11:57 |
| NET||abuse | i'm slouching , that's why. | 11:57 |
| MartijnVdS | NET||abuse: Yeah, get the RB750 (GL if you need gigabit) | 11:57 |
| MartijnVdS | NET||abuse: they also list measured throughput rates on the product pages | 11:58 |
| NET||abuse | can he hook a gigbit 8port switch off one port and have that as his dmz ?maybe do passthrough on 2 or 3 ip's from his ISP's connection? | 11:58 |
| MartijnVdS | yes, should be possible | 11:59 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| dwatkins | NET||abuse: sounds like something that might be best done with VLANs | 12:10 |
| dwatkins | also, for anyone who wants to learn more, here's a set of videos with free networking training: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmdYg02XJt6QRQfYjyQcMPfS3mrSnFbRC | 12:11 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: I love routerboards | 12:11 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: I also love that the admin console while being windows-only runs without issue in wine | 12:12 |
| foobarry | i'm out of contract on my broadband..whats the cheapest deals out there? | 12:12 |
| diddledan | the webadmin on routerboards is a bit of a mess, however | 12:12 |
| dwatkins | depends what you want in terms of speed, bandwidth cap, static IP etc., foobarry | 12:13 |
| diddledan | I've got sky | 12:13 |
| diddledan | 80Mbps/20Mbps+static IP | 12:13 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: the admin console is a fine webapp too | 12:14 |
| foobarry | i want cheap | 12:14 |
| foobarry | no static ip | 12:14 |
| foobarry | nothing fancy | 12:14 |
| dwatkins | foobarry: ADSL or FTTC? | 12:14 |
| diddledan | foobarry: cheap as a cheap thing with a dent in the side is plusnet | 12:14 |
| foobarry | adsl | 12:15 |
| foobarry | plusnet cheaper than taltalk? | 12:15 |
| dwatkins | I'm about to switch to PlusNet for my FTTC connection, as they cost the same as my current ISP (IDNet) but don't cap. | 12:15 |
| dwatkins | talktalk have lots of network issues where I live. | 12:15 |
| foobarry | i don't use much internet at home | 12:15 |
| foobarry | i'd like to ditch the phone line if poss but prob unlikely | 12:15 |
| foobarry | i prob pay around 22.50 per month atm for phone+bband | 12:16 |
| dwatkins | http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/phones/cheap-broadband has a few deals and some useful info on it | 12:16 |
| foobarry | good idea | 12:16 |
| dwatkins | I'm wary of talktalk and BT because of problems I've had with them in the past, but I hear good things about PlusNet. | 12:17 |
| foobarry | dwatkins: how much for the plusnet package? | 12:21 |
| dwatkins | foobarry: I'm going for fibre broadband, so it'll be more expensive than just ADSL | 12:21 |
| foobarry | but no phone req'd? | 12:22 |
| dwatkins | their prices are on here, though: http://www.plus.net/home-broadband/ | 12:22 |
| dwatkins | oh, you need a phone with any such connection | 12:22 |
| dwatkins | sometimes line rental is included, often not | 12:22 |
| dwatkins | you can pay line rental via your ISP, too, if you want | 12:23 |
| foobarry | virgin don't demand it for fibre | 12:23 |
| dwatkins | often it's cheaper if you pay up-front for a year's line rental | 12:23 |
| dwatkins | ah yes, but then the phone is free because you already have Virgin's hardware (i.e. coax) installed, iirc | 12:23 |
| dwatkins | I used to have phone, TV and internet with Virgin. | 12:23 |
| foobarry | "free" | 12:23 |
| foobarry | its a swindle :( | 12:24 |
| dwatkins | indeed, "Free" as in "the price is included in that of the other service{s}. | 12:24 |
| dwatkins | " | 12:24 |
| dwatkins | ah yes, PlusNet's page has two tabs, one with and one without line rental | 12:24 |
| foobarry | plusnet = 131.88 line rental for 1 yr + £2 pm broadband | 12:28 |
| foobarry | talktalk = 126 line rental (next few days only) and 3.50/month bb | 12:29 |
| dwatkins | foobarry: you may also want to compare the frequency of outages, e.g. http://www.talktalk.co.uk/servicestatus/ vs http://www.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2 | 12:32 |
| dwatkins | I've used windows server for about 10 seconds today, and I already want to smash it with a hammer... sound familiar? | 12:36 |
| foobarry | talktalk offering me £126 annual rental and monthly 2.25 recurring | 12:41 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| daftykins | for anyone who missed my lovely snaps | 13:38 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zls2rg6aokducef/eMeFTzT9nf | 13:38 |
| daftykins | there's me coming into land over Guernsey and a couple of the neighbouring islands | 13:38 |
| * awilkins is causing severe consternation to a Win2k12 server by .. asking it to do stuff | 13:54 | |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: see that's what you're doing wrong | 13:57 |
| awilkins | Have now got to the point where I can actually stuff documents into a Solr server with Nutch | 13:58 |
| awilkins | Now have to contend with fact that these pages are complete cack | 14:05 |
| dwatkins | sounds like something it doesn't like | 14:50 |
| dwatkins | my Win2k3 server is slow, but that's because it's running on an ancient vmware 2.0 server with a 2.6 GHz core2duo | 14:50 |
| dwatkins | if I could work out how to get vmware ESXI to run, I'd use that. It seems you need to install their management system on Windows which presents a webserver, so I'll need at least one Windows virtual machine. | 14:51 |
| dwatkins | at least vmware 2.0 has a web-console by default (although it requires IE, which I need a virtual machine for) | 14:52 |
| daftykins | ah yes the silly activex control for viewing? | 15:11 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/4pnned647wmdp44/win8.png | 15:20 |
| mapp | well lol my referred order went through..and i made a new one after itsaid referred argh | 15:43 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| lazarus_ | anyone know how to boot iso files using grub 2 | 15:46 |
| daftykins | this is to do an update when you don't have a USB flash drive or spare DVD to burn i take it? | 15:48 |
| BigRedS | Hrm, dist-upgrading to trusty doesn't seem to have given me any cool desktop wallpapers | 16:10 |
| mapp | hm | 16:11 |
| mapp | E: Invalid operation do-release-upgrade | 16:11 |
| mapp | thats all i get | 16:11 |
| davmor2 | mapp: what are you trying to do? | 16:15 |
| Laney | it's do-release-upgrade not apt-get do-release-upgrade | 16:16 |
| mapp | oh duh | 16:18 |
| mapp | silly me | 16:18 |
| mapp | thanks;) | 16:19 |
| daftykins | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr9evVbg2ZY | 18:49 |
| daftykins | very nice tune | 18:49 |
| daftykins | heard iton BBC 6 Music in a burger place in Brighton this weekend | 18:50 |
| dwatkins | daftykins: I love the description on the website of one of the tracks: "gorgeous and woozy piano-strewn opener Out of the Woodwork" | 18:53 |
| daftykins | :D | 18:54 |
| maps|wrk | hai | 19:05 |
| maps|wrk | should i upgrade to 14.04 now then, hmm im just worried it might lock me out if i do it remotely:D | 19:05 |
| daftykins | i personally think upgrades are a joke best avoided :) | 19:07 |
| maps|wrk | what u on | 19:08 |
| daftykins | lol | 19:09 |
| daftykins | tea currently | 19:09 |
| maps|wrk | i mean ubuntu rls | 19:09 |
| daftykins | aaah | 19:09 |
| daftykins | amusingly my servers are still on 10.04.4 so before next year comes around i have some work to do | 19:09 |
| maps|wrk | thats kinda old now | 19:09 |
| maps|wrk | :D | 19:09 |
| daftykins | yep but it was LTS | 19:10 |
| daftykins | which meant i have been able to nurture it for many moons | 19:10 |
| maps|wrk | i still need to solve this pesky issue with http / and that rubbish thing that ruined my apache | 19:10 |
| daftykins | but it's been weeks! :) | 19:11 |
| maps|wrk | correct | 19:12 |
| daftykins | have a look at what you've got in sites-available and sites-enabled in /etc/apache2/ | 19:12 |
| maps|wrk | and im stuck | 19:12 |
| maps|wrk | :( | 19:12 |
| maps|wrk | I installed from source..for apache..and it all worked ssl an all..then zetyal screwed it up | 19:12 |
| daftykins | WAT | 19:13 |
| maps|wrk | but now..it looks like zentyal isnt running ps aux | grep zentyal shows nothing | 19:13 |
| daftykins | source on a packaged OS :( | 19:13 |
| maps|wrk | ya | 19:13 |
| maps|wrk | wanted to | 19:13 |
| maps|wrk | :D | 19:13 |
| daftykins | you sir have broken the #1 rule of fight club | 19:13 |
| maps|wrk | lol | 19:13 |
| daftykins | but yeah so my 14.04 server LTS upgrade plan would involve creating new VMs, then re-establishing packages and scp'ing content | 19:16 |
| daftykins | then a port forward edit and all's good | 19:16 |
| maps|wrk | looks like httpd.conf had the Listen 80 line removed..could zentyal have done something like that and made it a virtual host listenn on 80 by default | 19:17 |
| daftykins | so where apache installed... you should still have sites-available and sites-enabled | 19:17 |
| daftykins | you *really* need to look there first :) | 19:18 |
| maps|wrk | apache is in /usr/local/apache/htdocs doc root | 19:18 |
| daftykins | zentyal could've modified those | 19:18 |
| maps|wrk | and /usr/local/apache/conf for copnf | 19:18 |
| daftykins | ok | 19:18 |
| maps|wrk | then conf./extras /httpd-vhost etc | 19:18 |
| daftykins | what's in httpd-vhost/ ? | 19:18 |
| maps|wrk | sec will pastebinit | 19:18 |
| maps|wrk | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7316960/ | 19:19 |
| daftykins | do you access your home box via http://IP/ ? | 19:20 |
| daftykins | or a dyndns / proper domain? | 19:20 |
| maps|wrk | either works | 19:21 |
| dwatkins | not for long | 19:21 |
| maps|wrk | https://frogs.zapto.org or https://188.220.205.104 | 19:21 |
| maps|wrk | why? | 19:21 |
| dwatkins | dyndns.org is no longer free | 19:21 |
| maps|wrk | they're both working on that atm | 19:22 |
| maps|wrk | argh no | 19:22 |
| daftykins | yeah i need to sort out my noip | 19:22 |
| dwatkins | likewise, and my blog is on a dyndns.org address (although it's static) | 19:22 |
| daftykins | but my stupid router's web form for dynamic DNS configuration is bugged so i have to factory reset to edit it again | 19:22 |
| daftykins | =| | 19:22 |
| dwatkins | most routers I've looked at recently only have dyndns.org, sadly | 19:22 |
| maps|wrk | hang on isnt my host a no-ip | 19:22 |
| dwatkins | hooray for tomato alternative firmware | 19:22 |
| daftykins | mine can have custom additions by telnet'ing in | 19:22 |
| daftykins | but it already has noip | 19:23 |
| daftykins | er free noip accounts are .no-ip.biz | 19:23 |
| maps|wrk | ]ah no its not..its a dyndns ive got a no-ip ac too | 19:23 |
| daftykins | maps|wrk: well neither of those even point to your document root, so it must be getting configured somewhere else | 19:24 |
| maps|wrk | yea | 19:24 |
| maps|wrk | in httpd.conf | 19:24 |
| daftykins | can you pastebin that? | 19:24 |
| maps|wrk | but thats enabled two vhosts hasnt it? to garbage sites | 19:24 |
| maps|wrk | yep | 19:24 |
| maps|wrk | hang on zapto.org os no-ip.com thats staying free i assume? | 19:24 |
| daftykins | love your friendly welcome message btw | 19:24 |
| maps|wrk | hahahahaha | 19:25 |
| maps|wrk | yea its static too..need to change it so it's dynamic..that was my old static bethere ip had for6yrs | 19:25 |
| maps|wrk | and i stole that MOTD off an efnet irc server;p | 19:25 |
| daftykins | D: | 19:25 |
| daftykins | plaigirism | 19:25 |
| maps|wrk | :D | 19:26 |
| maps|wrk | oke | 19:26 |
| maps|wrk | lets see | 19:26 |
| maps|wrk | gotta be careful with messing with apache..else il be looked out of irc (qwebirc) and also shell (shellinabox) cant ssh in id get in trouble for using an app i dont need | 19:27 |
| maps|wrk | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317005/ | 19:27 |
| maps|wrk | could that httpd-vhosts be causing an issue? as it has 2 defined there, which as i say are just garbage entries | 19:27 |
| daftykins | so what's the idea of what's wrong? because i saw that message from one of your addys so surely that's being served from .../htdocs/ ? | 19:31 |
| maps|wrk | yea | 19:34 |
| maps|wrk | but hang on | 19:34 |
| maps|wrk | that was https:// it doesn't work on http:// non SSL and it used ti before I installeed zentyal | 19:34 |
| maps|wrk | then spent ages removing it and still wondering whats happened;/ | 19:34 |
| dwatkins | the cert is also invalid, but I imagine you know that | 19:34 |
| maps|wrk | you see anything there which would be stopping http:// port 80 | 19:34 |
| maps|wrk | yea i know:) i generated it myself..i think you always get errors if its not signed by a 3rd party | 19:35 |
| dwatkins | maps|wrk: either the port isn't open/forwarded on the firewall, or there's no process listening on it. | 19:35 |
| dwatkins | when you start Apache, does it say there's a problem opening port 80 for listening? can you telnet to that port on the local network? | 19:36 |
| maps|wrk | it did at one point./.but im not sure now ..i set apache to start at bootup and if i stop and start now i risk killing my connection and not being able to reconnect;p | 19:36 |
| maps|wrk | the port's 100% definitely forwarded | 19:37 |
| maps|wrk | lets see telnet | 19:37 |
| dwatkins | no need to reboot | 19:37 |
| maps|wrk | mark@frogs:/usr/local/apache/conf$ telnet localhost 80 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused | 19:37 |
| dwatkins | ok, check the Apache log or restart the daemon | 19:37 |
| maps|wrk | how can i check to see if somethings listening on port 80? netstat and something | 19:37 |
| dwatkins | lsof | 19:37 |
| maps|wrk | you dont think it's anything to do with the err httpd-vhosts file | 19:38 |
| maps|wrk | ah thanks | 19:38 |
| maps|wrk | then grep 80? | 19:38 |
| dwatkins | hmmm, not sure as I think the syntax has changed since I last used it | 19:38 |
| dwatkins | look for a line like this: | 19:39 |
| dwatkins | apache2 693 www-data 3u IPv4 120878196 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) | 19:39 |
| maps|wrk | gives me a lot of results lsof | 19:39 |
| maps|wrk | hm | 19:39 |
| dwatkins | *:http means it's listening on all interfaces (network connections incoming) for http, i.e. port 80 | 19:39 |
| dwatkins | http is port 80 as devined in /etc/services | 19:39 |
| dwatkins | *defined (haha) | 19:39 |
| maps|wrk | httpd 3227 3251 apache rtd unknown /proc/3227/task/3251/root (readlink: Permission denied) | 19:40 |
| maps|wrk | i see stuff like this..no mention of tcp.http | 19:40 |
| daftykins | netstat -tuln is happy | 19:41 |
| daftykins | yeah your config directive had :80 but not *:80 | 19:42 |
| maps|wrk | the httpd.conf should have Listen 80 - isnt it? the vhosts had *:80 - should i rm the vhosts? they arent used | 19:43 |
| maps|wrk | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317114/ error_log output started my machine at 16;19 - dont see any errors or anything about 80? | 19:43 |
| dwatkins | I think apache logs to /var/log/syslog when it starts | 19:44 |
| maps|wrk | ah | 19:44 |
| maps|wrk | my mistake :| | 19:44 |
| dwatkins | restart it with either "service apache2 restart" or "apachectl restart" | 19:44 |
| dwatkins | then check the most recent files in /var/log and /var/log/apache2 | 19:45 |
| maps|wrk | but one more thing you see http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317005/ right httpd.conf - well it didnt have Listen 80 previously I just added it now -- | 19:45 |
| maps|wrk | would that fix it? or shall i remove it..dont wanna restart apache and break everything | 19:45 |
| dwatkins | break what? | 19:46 |
| maps|wrk | well stop apache starting on ssl even | 19:46 |
| dwatkins | you have a backup of your working config file, don't you? ;) | 19:46 |
| maps|wrk | as i added Listen 80 to httpd.conf - | 19:46 |
| maps|wrk | yea | 19:46 |
| maps|wrk | but | 19:46 |
| maps|wrk | if it doesnt start up again i cant get back on here!! | 19:46 |
| maps|wrk | il have to wait till i go home to fix it if it didnt come back:P | 19:46 |
| dwatkins | hang on, how are you connected? | 19:46 |
| maps|wrk | im connected through web browser using qwebirc and shellinabox | 19:47 |
| dwatkins | ah ok | 19:47 |
| maps|wrk | ssh is running..but i wont be able to connect to it, cant use any non work apps | 19:47 |
| maps|wrk | so question is would Listen 80 break it:D | 19:48 |
| dwatkins | find out what external ports you can access | 19:48 |
| dwatkins | if you want to use ssh, there's probably a way, e.g. have ssh listen on port 443 | 19:48 |
| maps|wrk | but how would i connect..cant use putty | 19:48 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, that's between you and your employer | 19:48 |
| dwatkins | can you put apps onto a usb stick and run them? | 19:49 |
| maps|wrk | nope | 19:49 |
| maps|wrk | :( | 19:49 |
| dwatkins | I guess shellinabox is probably the simplest way, though | 19:49 |
| maps|wrk | thats why im mtrying to make sure apache does come back | 19:49 |
| dwatkins | so, you need a separate entry in the sites-enabled directory for the port 80 webserver, or a second port to listen on (i.e. 80 as well as 443) | 19:49 |
| dwatkins | not sure how to have the same webserver listen via http and https at the same time, though | 19:50 |
| maps|wrk | well, im not sure it worked before using the https config file in the conf/extras dir | 19:50 |
| maps|wrk | but i noticed in the httpd.conf file (main config file) was no entry for listen 80 where there normally is by defualt..so figured it could be that | 19:50 |
| maps|wrk | but then also what are these random odd vhosts entries | 19:51 |
| maps|wrk | :D | 19:51 |
| dwatkins | did you follow a guide like this? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_howto.html | 19:51 |
| maps|wrk | na | 19:51 |
| maps|wrk | brb | 19:51 |
| maps|wrk | hm | 19:52 |
| maps|wrk | mark@frogs:/usr/local/apache/conf$ sudo /etc/init.d/apachectl restart [Wed Apr 23 20:51:46.116226 2014] [so:warn] [pid 4681:tid 3075208896] AH01574: module authz_core_module is already loaded, skipping | 19:52 |
| maps|wrk | no errors about port 80 or unable to use port | 19:52 |
| dwatkins | copy the existing config, go home, read the guide, implement it :) | 19:52 |
| maps|wrk | :) | 19:53 |
| dwatkins | to be honest, that's the easiest way, as your config might have some other thing that's causing a problem | 19:53 |
| maps|wrk | yea | 19:53 |
| bashrc | the problem I was having with installing ubuntu the other day turned out to be the fault of unetbootin | 20:04 |
| daftykins | UEFI install? | 20:04 |
| maps|wrk | trying to install off usb? | 20:04 |
| bashrc | when I used the startup disk utility to make a bootable USB drive the installation just worked | 20:04 |
| daftykins | ah, so mac? | 20:05 |
| daftykins | yeah unetbootin is widely commented as borking for UEFI | 20:05 |
| maps|wrk | ya whats all this UEFI daftykins heard it makes it hard to install other OSs | 20:05 |
| daftykins | :) | 20:05 |
| daftykins | it's BIOS' replacement | 20:05 |
| bashrc | I don't think it's UEFI because the laptop is approximately 4 years old | 20:06 |
| daftykins | oh ok so not a mac? | 20:06 |
| bashrc | no a lenovo | 20:06 |
| daftykins | ah well | 20:06 |
| daftykins | unetbootin seems to cause more trouble here and there :) | 20:06 |
| daftykins | maps|wrk: i'm just about to switch off my desktop and go cook so can't elaborate there right now i'm afraid! | 20:06 |
| bashrc | in the past I found unetbootin to be more reliable than the startup disk creator, but things must have changed | 20:07 |
| daftykins | ultimately it's the new tech to allow newer features along with being able to boot from GPT disks that are 3TB or larger etc. | 20:07 |
| daftykins | i just use dd | 20:07 |
| daftykins | :> | 20:07 |
| maps|wrk | yea but ive heard its a pain installing say even win7 on a new machine that coes with win8? | 20:07 |
| daftykins | or universal usb installer from pendrivelinux.com if i've a windows host | 20:07 |
| daftykins | only if you're not willing to root around in your system's setup screens really | 20:08 |
| bashrc | can you just dd the iso directly to the usb drive? | 20:08 |
| maps|wrk | ya thats quite good | 20:08 |
| daftykins | bashrc: yip | 20:08 |
| maps|wrk | you can? didnt know | 20:08 |
| bashrc | hah, never really considered doing that | 20:08 |
| daftykins | dd if=blah.iso of=/dev/sdX | 20:08 |
| maps|wrk | can you get grub to boot off ajn iso? someone was asking earlier | 20:08 |
| daftykins | making sure you don't try and use a partition e.g. /dev/sdb1 | 20:08 |
| daftykins | has to be the main device itself | 20:08 |
| daftykins | yeah | 20:09 |
| daftykins | i don't know how but GRUB can have a menu entry added to point to an ISO | 20:09 |
| bashrc | anyway problem solved. I probably won't be using unetbootin again. | 20:09 |
| daftykins | :) | 20:09 |
| daftykins | k gotta go, laters o/ | 20:09 |
| maps|wrk | i hink i used unbetbootin and it worked fine | 20:10 |
| daftykins | yeah lots of variables in this land of computers | 20:10 |
| foobarry | 3.8.0-38 isn't letting my laptop suspend | 20:12 |
| foobarry | but if i try to remove the package it tries to remove raring-lts package too | 20:12 |
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| maps|wrk | 3.0-=38 of what | 20:16 |
| foobarry | ubuntu kernel | 20:17 |
| maps|wrk | oh | 20:20 |
| diddledan | oh, I see unicorns made an unsurprising appearance at the naming ceremony of 14.10 | 20:34 |
| dwatkins | ultimate unicorn | 20:43 |
| diddledan | nope | 20:51 |
| diddledan | utopic | 20:51 |
| graingert_ | ngert | 20:53 |
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| diddledan | ngert!! | 20:58 |
| diddledan | nnnnngert!!! | 20:59 |
| diddledan | sorry, just squeezing one out | 20:59 |
| diddledan | like _graingert did above... | 20:59 |
| _graingert | :? | 21:00 |
| diddledan | :-p | 21:00 |
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| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| maps|wrk | fixed apache | 23:07 |
| maps|wrk | :D | 23:07 |
| maps|wrk | it was as simple as inserting Listen 80- into httpd.conf | 23:07 |
| daftykins | £42.49 for a 1TB WD Red to fix the dying disk in my array | 23:13 |
| daftykins | *or* | 23:14 |
| daftykins | £61.38 for a 2TB WD Red | 23:14 |
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