acheronukclivejo: no. I'll do it when it stops moving!00:19
acheronukjust want to copy to notes00:20
clivejo./kubuntu-retry-builds -s yakkety -r frameworks --ppa=kubuntu-ppa --ppaname=staging-frameworks --force00:20
acheronukdefinitely easier :)00:21
acheronukdon't think so. just giff/png00:22
valoriewoooo, green!01:31
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Wooooow that was a long day01:33
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> I biked a good 15 miles then bowled for two hours01:34
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/j8gZV2Mr/file_65.jpg01:35
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Yay, WiFi down again...01:35
* valorie extends her ethernet cable to tsimonq201:36
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> OMG thank you, I really need to replace this stupid USB dongle01:37
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> :D01:37
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> I think it might be good now, phone is connected01:37
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IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/vfViKgq8/file_67.jpg01:42
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Finally!01:42
tsimonq2I feel like I need to fix something today before I go to bed...01:45
* tsimonq2 searches through the long list of failures01:45
* tsimonq2 attempts to fix yakkety_unstable_ktp-desktop-applets01:47
valoriethat sounds useful!01:49
tsimonq2I can't finish, I need sleep, I'm really tired...02:03
tsimonq2zzzZZZzzz o/02:03
ahoneybunyofel: dial that server down a bit02:17
ahoneybunit's at 95% CPU usage02:17
valorieI think it's pretty damn early on Sun. morning for yofel~02:19
ahoneybunvalorie: well I dowloaded the daily02:50
* ahoneybun wonders where these builds go02:54
valorieunstable will presumably go into YY and maybe into backports02:54
ahoneybunit's just that if it's fixed why rebuild it so much02:57
valorieif they are fixed, they are no longer rebuilt until there is a change in source02:58
valorieso you notice that at first there is a flood of read02:58
valoriethen green02:58
ahoneybuncan we get a new kdenlive in yakkety>02:59
valoriethen very little red, which gets fixed02:59
valorie!info kdenlive yakkaty02:59
ubottu'yakkaty' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed, yakkety, yakkety-backports, yakkety-proposed02:59
valorie!info kdenlive yakkety02:59
ubottukdenlive (source: kdenlive): non-linear video editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 1662 kB, installed size 6340 kB02:59
ahoneybunit;s the same as xenial02:59
valoriewhat is the newest release?02:59
ahoneybun16.04 or .08 maybe by this point03:00
ahoneybuna ppa has 16.04 which I use03:00
valorieyou can propose that, if it's thoroughly tested03:00
valorieclivejo, yofel, acheronuk ^^^03:01
ahoneybun!info mlt03:01
ubottuPackage mlt does not exist in yakkety03:01
ahoneybun!info vid.stab03:01
ubottuPackage vid.stab does not exist in yakkety03:01
ahoneybun!info vfrei0r03:01
ubottuPackage vfrei0r does not exist in yakkety03:01
valoriebut you'll have to provide the ppa to them03:01
valoriethat's one of the devels, so it should be good03:02
valorieimo you should write to the list so you are sure it gets seen03:02
ahoneybunit's pulling from git so it might be not good03:02
ahoneybunit crashes for me though tbh03:03
valoriewe won't release a non-released application03:03
valoriefor sure03:03
valorieget them to tag and release!03:03
ahoneybunofficial https://kdenlive.org/discover/16.04.003:04
valorieif it's better than what we have, advocate for it03:05
valoriebut it sounds like that PPA isn't packaging the release03:05
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Booting  yakkety daily now03:07
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Wow it has 5.5.5?03:09
valoriePlasma 5.6.3 is what I have03:10
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> You have ppas03:11
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> This is stock iso03:11
valorieQt 5.5.103:11
valoriepretty sure I'm stock03:11
valorieexcept I have Telegram03:11
valoriemy testing is in a VM03:12
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/21CjGOre/file_69.jpg03:12
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> You need qt 5.6.1 I think03:13
valorieIt's possible I upgraded plasma and then removed the PPA03:13
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I'm going to see if I can dual boot lol03:14
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Nope03:14
valoriedual boot with what?03:14
valorieI have win/lin03:14
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> 16.04 and 16.1003:15
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I don't have high hopes but we'll see03:16
valoriewhy wouldn't you be able to?03:16
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I formated my / with 16.10 but left my /home alone03:17
valorieyou couldn't successfully share a $HOME I think03:17
valoriebetter to have a DATA drive and share that03:17
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Well already installing03:18
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I see what they mean by slideshow is broken lol03:19
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> If anything I'll just edit on my laptop03:19
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> For the show03:19
valoriewow, LP must have gotten well03:20
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> gotten well03:20
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> ?03:20
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I'm not on IRC atm03:21
valorieit's been uber-slow for the past few weeks, and driving Clive in particular to tears03:21
valoriebecause there is a cascade that has to happen -- frameworks in particular have to build before plasma packages, etc.03:22
valorieso when LP bodges, everything clogs and fails03:22
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> so it installed03:26
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> with no errors now lets see if it boots03:26
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> booted03:31
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> but KickOff has still not been fixed?03:31
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> what was that ppa valorie?03:33
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> oh right I have old versions then03:33
ahoneybunwow that was the first time I got konversion to work on the first try03:35
ahoneybunvalorie: what was that ppa?03:39
ahoneybunacheronuk: clivejo ppa's to use with yakkety03:39
valorienot sure what ppa you want, ahoneybun03:47
valorielook in the /topic03:47
ahoneybunI'm getting for apps is staging-kdeapplications03:47
ahoneybunlet's see what I can break03:49
ahoneybun475 packages that could do it03:49
ahoneybunlet's get breaking valorie :)03:49
valoriewell, I upgraded03:50
ahoneybunI've added staging - kdeapplications, plasma, and frameworks03:51
valoriebut not to staging on my work computer!03:51
valorietesting those worked great for me03:51
ahoneybunwell my laptop can be my work if need by03:51
ahoneybun*need be03:51
ahoneybunjust need to get hexchat to work03:51
ahoneybunwith my bouncer03:51
ahoneybunKonversation worked fine03:52
ahoneybunI had it before but I changed the ip03:52
ahoneybunbut if this works valorie it will be fun lol03:54
valoriethat's why I jumped to YY so early03:54
valoriewithin a week or two of release of XX03:55
ahoneybunwell I needed a kinda working machine03:55
ahoneybunblue something moved down to 14.0403:55
ahoneybunin #kubuntu03:56
ahoneybunmm it got stuck at kio-extras03:56
valorienot sure what his problem was; he never really said03:56
ahoneybunso using apt -f install 03:56
ahoneybunErrors were encountered while processing:03:57
ahoneybun /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-extras_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa10_amd64.deb03:57
ahoneybun /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-extras-data_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa10_all.deb03:57
ahoneybunE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)03:57
ahoneybunmm I should have used full-upgrade03:58
ahoneybunjust used upgrade03:58
ahoneybunI did that just now to be safe03:58
valoriefull-upgrade isn't available03:58
ahoneybunI just did it03:58
ahoneybunworking fine here03:58
valorieyou'll have to use dist-upgrade03:58
valoriemust be recent03:58
valoriewasn't available a couple of days ago03:59
ahoneybundpkg: kactivities: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested:03:59
ahoneybun plasma-desktop depends on kactivities.03:59
ahoneybunremoved kactivites03:59
ahoneybunplasma-desktop needs that03:59
ahoneybunI have a feeling I'm not going to get a desktop on boot lol04:00
valorieyou can always ppa-purge the ppas04:00
ubottuTo disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html04:00
ahoneybunso I would need to remove staging-plasma04:01
valorietry that first, yeah04:01
ahoneybunwill do04:02
ahoneybunwell here we go valorie04:05
valoriebest of luck!04:06
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Got the login!04:07
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Let's see04:07
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Yay04:08
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/xJwpCor2/file_71.jpg04:08
valorievery cool04:08
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I don't have that calendar thing04:08
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/1eIElSmD/file_73.jpg04:09
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I think it is holiday or something04:09
valorieI don't think I do either04:09
valorieI don't see an option for it04:09
valoriehowever, you have a higher version of Plasma than I do04:10
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Mm04:10
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> So you see the pictures then?04:10
valorieof course04:10
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Says your on irc04:10
ahoneybunoh the attachements04:11
valorieit shows up like : IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/1eIElSmD/file_73.jpg04:11
ahoneybunyea now I see it04:11
ahoneybunnow I'm on the yakkety train04:14
valorieI always wanted to ride a yak04:18
ahoneybun!info calligra04:18
ubottucalligra (source: calligra): extensive productivity and creative suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.9.7-0ubuntu16 (yakkety), package size 9 kB, installed size 65 kB04:18
ahoneybun!info calligra-words04:18
ubottuPackage calligra-words does not exist in yakkety04:18
ahoneybun!info calligra-word04:18
ubottuPackage calligra-word does not exist in yakkety04:18
valorieI think that is not packaged04:18
valoriebit of a beast04:18
ahoneybunit's in Plamsa Discover04:18
valorieas I understand it04:18
ahoneybun!info calligrawords04:19
ubottucalligrawords (source: calligra): word processor for the Calligra Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.9.7-0ubuntu16 (yakkety), package size 1010 kB, installed size 4064 kB04:19
ahoneybunthere we go04:19
ahoneybun!info calligrawords xenial04:19
ubottucalligrawords (source: calligra): word processor for the Calligra Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.9.7-0ubuntu12 (xenial), package size 1011 kB, installed size 4063 kB04:19
ahoneybunkinda updated04:19
ahoneybunthanks valorie04:24
valorieI did nothing!04:24
valoriebut sure04:24
ahoneybunplasma looks cleaner 04:25
ahoneybunI don't know why04:25
valoriefewer bugs!04:25
ahoneybunthey say that with every release04:25
valorieain't it true?04:25
valorieit is in my experience04:26
valorielonger I use KDE, the fewer crashes etc. I find04:26
ahoneybunI bad mouthed KDE at akademy one night04:26
valoriedoesn't sound wise04:26
ahoneybunsince it crashed so much in 15.10 I think04:26
ahoneybunwell when you add beer nothing is04:26
valoriePlasma, or what?04:27
valorieI think the entire community wasn't crashing04:27
ahoneybunyay kdeconnect worked04:27
valorieit was pretty crashy for awhile, for sure04:28
ahoneybunit was mostly a issue or two on our end04:28
valoriewhat I love is how well we work with KDE04:28
valorieand I have to credit Riddell and sitter for that04:29
valorieand now sgclark04:29
ahoneybunI had one rotten apple from KDE 04:30
ahoneybunon G+04:30
ahoneybunfound a bug in Online Accounts04:30
ahoneybunnow it worked04:31
valorieisn't that an Ubuntu thing?04:31
ahoneybunit's on our system04:31
ahoneybunfor KDE Telepathy04:31
ahoneybunKDE Online Accounts04:31
valorieoh right04:31
ahoneybunmm a crash from System Settings04:34
ahoneybunhere come the crashes04:35
ahoneybunvalorie: http://imgur.com/a/MEXXx04:37
ahoneybunvery misleading with the "Create Account button"04:37
ahoneybunmaybe "Setup Account"04:37
valorieI see "Setup your accounts"04:38
valoriewhich isn't good english04:38
valoriesetup ain't a word04:38
ahoneybunset up?04:38
valorieshould be, yes04:39
ahoneybunwould it be against kontact or kmailv2?04:40
valoriekontact I think04:40
ahoneybunI never could use kontact as that stopped me04:41
ahoneybunI'm like I don't want to make a new email lol04:41
valoriewatch out, you're getting sucked into becoming a kmail dev04:43
ahoneybunI can't write code?04:43
valorieeveryone starts somewhere04:44
ahoneybunI was working on my first bug script04:46
ahoneybunbash script04:47
ahoneybunvalorie: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36648604:49
ubottuKDE bug 366486 in mail "Account Assistant "Create Account" is misleading" [Minor,Unconfirmed]04:49
ahoneybunshould be decent04:49
ahoneybunwow kde notifications does not like a ton at once04:53
ahoneybunvalorie: that bug report got an answer06:00
ahoneybunthey will change it in 5.4.006:00
valorieoh very nice06:12
valorieI bet ya could've submitted a patch for that06:12
ahoneybunno idea how06:15
ahoneybunand it's in 16.08 now06:16
valorieyou find where it's coded, fix it, and submit a diff06:16
ahoneybundone lol06:17
ahoneybunwell that diff is the issue06:17
ahoneybunnot sure how to make one06:17
valorieI believe it's just a tool06:18
ahoneybunand it is06:18
ahoneybunman diff06:18
ahoneybunopps lol06:18
valoriewatching men's gymnastics and splitting and sorting a spreadsheet06:20
ahoneybunlet's see if we can get that in the docs06:20
ahoneybunmm rick is not on06:20
valoriepackagers often can submit stuff like that upstream06:21
valoriethat's how it starts....06:21
ahoneybunnow that I'm on YY it might start again06:21
ahoneybunsince I still have some summer left06:21
valoriecan't believe how fast it's flying bye though06:22
ahoneybuncan't believe I'm giving Kontact another try06:23
ahoneybunyay :https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=79570106:24
ubottuDebian bug 795701 in wnpp "ITP: trojita -- Fast Qt IMAP e-mail client." [Wishlist,Open]06:24
ahoneybunbut 1 year on there thoug06:24
valorieclivejo has a PPA with it06:25
ahoneybunyea I know06:25
valoriesudo add-apt-repository ppa:clivejo/trojita06:25
ahoneybunscared to add any ppa on this machine lol06:25
valorieoh, OK06:25
valorieI hear ya06:25
ahoneybunfinally made a new linode with 16.04.106:26
ahoneybunwas pushing it back06:26
ahoneybunbut happy that I did it06:26
valoriewhat are you using it for?06:27
ahoneybunbouncer mostly06:27
ahoneybunbut now my LoCo site06:27
ahoneybunjust a simple html atm06:27
ahoneybunwow 4.6.3 on 16.04.106:28
ahoneybunheyo zodiac1906:30
zodiac19Hey, not exactly sure what to say here :b06:30
ahoneybunhey's are good ;)06:30
valoriehi zodiac1906:31
zodiac19Like I said I've just started into Ruby, but I'm looking to learn as much as I can06:31
zodiac19hi valorie06:31
valorieI just wanted to add that if you follow your interests, you'll find your learning fun06:31
valoriesome of our tooling is in Ruby06:32
zodiac19fun, tedious, painfully hard to look at lol06:32
valoriesome Ruby vs Python groaning goes on here06:32
zodiac19Well I'm looking at Ruby to start because I already own a program I can use to test my knowledge in it06:33
zodiac19If I recall Ruby was made sort of based on python?06:33
valorienow you are asking the wrong person06:39
* valorie is not a coder06:39
* ahoneybun is kinda one but not of Ruby06:39
valoriemost of our devels are european, and they'll be active here soon06:39
valoriealthough it is Sunday morning06:39
ahoneybunQML is the only main one I've tried06:39
zodiac19I'm just looking for a place to start learning, Personally I don't have an actuall prefference between python and ruby, but I have a way to test my knowledge and skill in Ruby06:40
zodiac19right now I know just enough HTML and Css to make a chatango account look pretty :b06:41
valorieeverybody starts from zero06:43
zodiac19well I'm passed 0, I just need to reach 1% now XD06:43
zodiac19but I figgured overall using linux would pay off the most while learning to code06:45
zodiac19more developers on linux IRC's06:46
valorieI think you're right06:48
valoriealthough sysadmins usually deal with all sorts of systems06:48
zodiac19I really need a book on ruby XD, Google is not as great as I wish it was07:00
zodiac19anyone have any ruby refference websites or instruction sites?07:04
sheytanany plans to put 5.7 update soon? :)08:06
acheronuksheytan: Xenial?08:12
zodiac19_since it's quiet, Has anyone ever heard of or met a Developer by the ID of Omegas7?09:02
valorienot me...09:04
zodiac19_good to know ^.^09:08
* valorie goes to bed.....09:09
acheronukkxmlgui in FW staging - Finished 3 hours ago (took 3 minutes, 48.5 seconds) 09:45
acheronukstill not published by LP!09:45
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Kick it10:23
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Kick it hard10:23
acheronukclivejo: now published at last!10:25
acheronukclivejo: sadly the retry every 1hr didn't work, as linode doesn't seem to cache the keyring password for any appreciable time10:26
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Ah10:32
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> At least we know :)10:32
yofelahoneybun: and how does the cpu usage on linode cause problems? That's a burst of a minute or two, then idle for an hour10:39
yofelahoneybun: kdenlive will get updated with apps10:40
yofelahoneybun: plasma 5.7 for yakkety is stuck in proposed. We're trying to get it out, but gcc6 is not making that easy10:41
yofelahoneybun: can you get the actual error for kio-extras? It will be higher up in the logs - we really need to fix such things10:42
yofelahoneybun: but ok, I'll make sure that one core on linode won't be used by jenkins just so we have spare resources for the host10:47
clivejowas there an alert from Linode?10:48
yofelmaybe, aaron gets those10:48
clivejoacheronuk and I were using our containers quite hard yesterday as we were backporting frameworks10:48
clivejobut would only have been spikes10:49
clivejoits *beeping* fast!10:49
yofelright, that hardly shows up in zabbix10:49
clivejobut may have triggered a warning to the sysadmin?10:49
yofelyes, linode have their own monitoring for the nodes, and I don't know the warning settings10:50
yofelbut even without the CI, anyone building something would trigger that..10:50
clivejoand the warning is probably just FYI10:50
acheronukis there some limit on container cpu usage? as my 4 core @3.4GHz actually seems to compile faster? 10:51
clivejoyofel: the container I have login for, was that planned for the communal training one?10:53
clivejomy host name seems to be kde-apps and riks is shiny-rik10:53
yofelwell, linode uses "Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz", so *that* might actually be faster10:53
yofelclivejo: no, I think aaron just named so as you said you wanted to work on apps?10:54
clivejooh right10:54
clivejoyofel: have you a decent internet connection?10:55
clivejoup and down?10:55
yofelwell, 10/5010:55
clivejofor the next dojo, might be useful for someone with a good connection to do the desktop sharing10:55
* acheronuk looks on with envy10:56
clivejoand just let rik log in remotely10:56
clivejoRick even10:56
yofelhm..... I guess we could try that10:56
clivejohis internet isnt good enough for desktop sharing, webcam and voice10:57
clivejokeeps stuttering the audio10:57
clivejoRik and I used it last night with him sharing the video and it worked very well10:58
yofelbut yeah, I could share a konsole session that's connected to linode with him also connected to that10:58
clivejofelt odd talking to myself10:58
acheronukI'll get a mic sorted one way or another for the next significant thing we do on BBB11:00
clivejoplease do11:00
BluesKaj'Morning folks11:09
BluesKajhi soee11:32
soeeGREEEEN :)11:51
soeewe didn't stage 5.7.3 either for Y or X ?11:52
yofelno, and won't happen while 5.7.2 is still in yakkety-proposed11:54
yofelOTOH, that's mostly ok11:57
zodiac19_more updates?12:03
yofelthere's updates all the time ^^12:04
yofelwith plasma, you have more after a major release as they have a fibonacci based update schedule12:04
zodiac19_I need more computers to keep up with linux >.<12:04
zodiac19_new foreign question, does anyone here have any experience in game development?12:06
jimarvanHi guys! :)13:28
zodiac19_hello, nice to meet you13:31
clivejohi Jim13:33
clivejohi zodiac19_13:42
clivejoa programmer huh?13:42
zodiac19_Sort of lurking to learn13:44
clivejowhat are you interested in learning?13:45
zodiac19_Coding, programming, development, operating system operations etc.13:46
clivejothats a very large subject area13:48
zodiac19_whatever I can learn here, I will do my best to learn it.13:48
clivejodo you use Kubuntu?13:48
zodiac19_I'm learning so I can become a game developer, but eventually I want to build my own operating system13:49
clivejoambitious! 13:49
zodiac19_Ironically I learned about it sitting next to a linux developer on an airplane13:50
zodiac19_I'm nothing but ambition lol, I'm trying to fix ambition into productivity13:50
clivejowell this channel is about KDE software on Ubuntu, or Kubuntu as we like to call it13:51
clivejowhere the Ubuntu desktop uses Unity, we use KDE's desktop called Plasma13:51
zodiac19_I know, anything development based related to kubuntu is pretty much the focus of this channel13:51
zodiac19_I figure If I'm going to make an opperating system someday, I'll probably want to be familiar with linux13:52
clivejowhat are your thoughts on Wayland vs Mir?13:53
zodiac19_uhm... havent learned that much yet :b 13:55
zodiac19_AUDIO DRAG AND DROP!!!13:56
zodiac19_*Mind explodes*13:56
zodiac19_I used to search for hours for something to do that for windows (nothing exists)13:56
zodiac19_I'm just a beginner developer, I'm working on learning my first language now (Web development not included)13:58
acheronuksomething irks me about that video14:00
zodiac19_Mono-toned un-naturally familiar comercial format?14:01
zodiac19_I should invest in a dictionary sometime soon14:01
acheronuksounds like they are trying to unenthusiastically flog US real-estate14:02
* acheronuk finds he can type today!14:02
* clivejo cheers!14:05
zodiac19_Uhmm... which us Real Estate? theres millions, and only a handful are good14:05
* acheronuk kicks LP14:06
acheronukclivejo: on BBB, how do you get presenter mode if you are the 1st one in there?14:07
clivejoPM'ed you :)14:08
acheronukTY :)14:10
clivejoacheronuk: do you want to start on backporting Plasma?14:29
acheronukI am sorta half busy for the rest of the day...14:30
clivejook no prob14:31
acheronukso maybe later..... but maybe not.....14:31
clivejowill probably take LP the rest of the day to publish FW14:31
acheronukdeffo tomorrow, but if you want to push on with it anyway then no probs14:32
acheronukLP is being v random!14:32
* ahoneybun finally wakes up15:26
yofelmoin ^^15:26
acheronuk? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin15:31
acheronukI did to some German/languages, but it got dropped in favour of sciences and maths15:33
ahoneybunthey moved to KF515:33
ahoneybunacheronuk: I'm on Yakkety15:34
acheronukwell, qt4 is dead more or less15:34
acheronukahoneybun: \o/15:34
ahoneybunhave all the staging ppas added 15:34
acheronukahoneybun: yep, they are what should be landing in YY if the proposed migrations ever gets sorted, so in effect you have what we want to be in YY15:35
acheronukplasma 5.7.2 works nicely here15:36
ahoneybunso far so good as well15:37
ahoneybunstill getting crashes a few times15:37
acheronukahoneybun: really?, is pretty solid here15:38
ahoneybunfrom system settings and korgenger15:38
ahoneybunor what ever15:38
acheronuknot had that15:38
acheronukabout the worst I get is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36253115:39
ubottuKDE bug 362531 in Panel "Plasma panels are not transparent after login" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]15:39
ahoneybunreported this last night: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36648615:39
ubottuKDE bug 366486 in mail "Account Assistant "Create Account" is misleading" [Minor,Resolved: fixed]15:39
ahoneybunfixed already15:39
ahoneybunsimple string fix15:39
ahoneybunI don't see anything wrong with that screenshot15:40
acheronukgreat thing about open source. report a bug and it can get fixed in mins/hrs sometimes15:41
acheronukahoneybun: the kicker *should* be semitransparent on any graphics that supports it15:44
ahoneybunmm still don't see the issue15:45
acheronukI'm not that fussed either, but it is a regression. And many will care.15:46
acheronukIt didn't impede me in any way, but I did want to know why it had changed.15:47
acheronukand turns out to be a bug15:48
ahoneybunweird one15:53
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Oh no...16:05
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/VC87RzZQ/file_77.jpg16:05
ahoneybun.2 gbs left16:06
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ue5VqMNC/file_79.jpg16:06
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> That's right after killing that process...16:06
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> I'm logging out and back in again16:08
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Let's see if it's reproducible16:08
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Yep...16:09
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Yv6yvBDW/file_81.jpg16:10
ahoneybunwhat is that then? not your RAM16:11
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> No, baloo_file_extractor...16:11
ahoneybunthe heck16:11
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Ikr16:11
ahoneybunso that 15GB is swap?16:12
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> OMG if you can see in that shot, swap was filling up fast16:12
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Nope, 40 GB of swap16:12
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> 15 gigs of RAM in this thing16:13
ahoneybunmust be old DDR216:13
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> No actually DDR3 iirc16:13
ahoneybunprices must be done16:13
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> And the RAM usage NEVER gets that high16:14
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Well I'm using both staging PPAs16:14
ahoneybunI'm using all 316:15
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> I can't use misc because there is no Yakkety for it16:15
ahoneybunkdeapplications, plasma, frameworks16:15
* tsimonq2 adds that last one16:16
tsimonq2wait no sorry16:18
tsimonq2I *do* have all three16:18
tsimonq2Hit:5 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks/ubuntu yakkety InRelease16:18
tsimonq2Hit:6 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications/ubuntu yakkety InRelease16:18
tsimonq2Hit:7 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma/ubuntu yakkety InRelease16:18
ahoneybunoh hey gpgpmepp16:21
tsimonq2yofel: fyi fwiw I haven't forgotten about doing git:// -> https:// but I'm struggling a little bit, so I'm taking another look now16:30
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> oh my ogd16:52
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> terrible16:52
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> He looks more sad then in pain17:03
yofelthat's the shock, the pain comes later17:07
yofelbut right, disappointed for sure :/17:08
clivejolooks like frameworks has published17:55
clivejoyofel: can the staging-plasma be kleared?17:55
* ahoneybun is on that17:56
yofeluh, I don't think anything has changed since you asked me that 2 days ago17:56
ahoneybun5.24 clivejo ?17:59
clivejoahoneybun: yes, 5.2419:09
clivejoyofel: was plasma 5.7.2 for YY moved to landing?19:09
tsimonq2alright, my sed script is running!19:10
yofelclivejo: dunno, it was uploaded to archive19:10
tsimonq2it does everything then I can select y/n for whether or not I want to push19:10
tsimonq2with a git diff and everything19:10
tsimonq2I'm happy with my result! :D19:10
clivejois RM happy with it too?19:12
clivejoRelease Manager19:12
tsimonq2yofel said to script it19:12
tsimonq2the git:// -> https://19:13
tsimonq2and I'm manually inspecting it anyways as well before I push19:13
clivejowhat branches are you pushing to?19:13
tsimonq2clivejo: is that a problem?19:14
clivejono, just making sure you are aware of what you are doing19:15
tsimonq2I made sure of it19:15
tsimonq2I'll push my script to the automation repo when I'm done if I can19:15
yofelput it into kubuntu-dev-tools instead19:16
yofelautomaiton is for release automation, not random things19:16
tsimonq2alright then, I'll do that19:16
tsimonq2but I'm not done yet :)19:17
clivejoyofel: FW5.25 is in depot, did you decide if you wanted to do a debian sync?19:23
yofelor more like.. I don't have a definite plan yet about how that would actually look like19:27
yofelas we cannot just sync everything19:27
yofeland then there's the CI19:27
clivejoat the moment I dont mind working on it19:27
clivejoso maybe hold off for a while?19:28
yofelso for that we would still have to put stuff in git, and maintain it ahead of the archive, just to throw it away and overwrite it with debian once they catch up19:28
yofelif that ever happens19:28
clivejodebian seem to be getting lot faster with FW19:28
yofelyes, but that will never work with the CI19:29
clivejoany progress on stable builds?19:29
yofelnot this weekend19:29
tsimonq2yofel, clivejo: as previously discussed, Standards-version of 3.9.8 isn't appropriate because of Xenial only allowing 3.9.7, but there are some files I'm seeing with 3.9.6. Is it worth it to do a bump to 3.9.7 by just modifying my script, or would that not be good?19:36
yofelthat's a field I personally don't care about, as the ubuntu policy is at 3.8.2+patches. But don't increase it unless the packages are actually 3.9.7 compatible19:38
tsimonq2yofel: one last thing I've seen that might be good to look at that I saw is the Vcs-* being set to Debian URLs19:39
tsimonq2yofel: should that be corrected?19:40
yofeltsimonq2: I should've fixed all of that already, where is that?19:40
* tsimonq2 does a grep19:41
tsimonq2yofel: lots19:44
tsimonq2$ grep -R "Vcs-Git: https://anonscm.debian.org" | pastebinit19:44
tsimonq2that's all of them19:44
tsimonq2yofel: little bit more than a couple, and that's just for Vcs-Git19:45
yofeltsimonq2: are you *sure* that you're on kubuntu_unstable for all of these?19:45
yofelbecause analitza is not debian19:45
* tsimonq2 checks that19:46
clivejoditto ^19:46
clivejomessagelib is LP19:46
yofellibkgeomap is wrong though19:46
tsimonq2yeah I'm sorry, not all on kubutnu_unstabl19:46
yofelso all of the new ones should be reviewed for this19:46
tsimonq2yofel: there, smaller list, sorry about that :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/22613437/20:00
yofeltsimonq2: yeah, that sounds about right, and yes, please fix20:04
tsimonq2I'm on it20:05
tsimonq2yofel: what do I do for repos that don't have kubuntu_unstable branches?\20:09
tsimonq2yofel: what branch do I modify?20:10
yofeltsimonq2: kubuntu_yakkety_archive20:16
tsimonq2yofel: done, corrected20:41
clivejoyofel: what was the reason for this - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-workspace/commit/?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive&id=a537dec6c3b6787a095dcb51d8792ad35e3345cf20:50
clivejothe autotests thing?20:51
yofelclivejo: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-yakkety/yakkety/amd64/p/plasma-workspace/20160805_193107@/log.gz20:53
yofellook for "test testsuite"20:53
clivejoFAIL timed out20:54
yofelI *think* it's waiting for a live plasma session to respond to a dbus call? Couldn't quite figure it out20:55
yofelI don't have a working autopktest testbed to debug that20:55
clivejoalso with plasma 5.7.2 being released to yakkety the kubuntu-batch-backport-git wont work20:57
clivejoneeds an UNRELEASED entry20:57
tsimonq2yofel: what package is that?20:57
yofelclivejo: hm... true, that's annoying :/20:57
yofelwhat to do...20:57
tsimonq2yofel: on linode, ERROR: no permission to write /dev/kvm ?20:59
yofelclivejo: comment out lines 37-39 in git-buildpackage-ppa and try again20:59
yofeltsimonq2: what exactly are you trying to do?21:01
clivejoyofel: thanks21:01
yofelclivejo: we should probably make that an option, as that will come up again21:01
tsimonq2yofel: seeing if I had the ability to set up an autopkgtest bed on linode21:02
yofelCould not access KVM kernel module: No such file or directory21:07
yofeleven on the host o.O21:07
zodiac19_anyone know any game development/recreational programing channels?21:09
valoriezodiac19_: did you see my note about alis last night?21:09
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valoriealso you might check in #kde-edu and #kde-games (I think)21:10
valoriebut let's take this to #kubuntu-offtopic21:11
clivejozodiac19_: do you want to learn how to package .deb's?21:11
zodiac19_I will eventually, First I need to know how to make a program. and I saw it, I'm looking for recomendations to hopefully enter a friendly channel21:17
valorie? coding doesn't have to come first21:18
valorieand packaging will help you learn about how a program is put together21:18
tsimonq2yofel: where was that autopkgtest failure?21:18
tsimonq2(which PPA?)21:18
valoriewhich is practical information you won't often get even in programming classes21:18
yofeltsimonq2: that was not from a PPA, but from http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/plasma-workspace/yakkety/amd64/21:19
acheronukevening :D (quick visit as I have to scoot off again in 5/10)21:19
tsimonq2o/ acheronuk 21:20
tsimonq2yofel: alright21:20
zodiac19_I'd rather it did, Once I finish learning my first language I'll go into packaging befor my seccond language. If i stop learning a alanguage now I'll end up starting over again21:20
tsimonq2zodiac19_: you ever hear the saying, "code to learn, don't learn to code" ? ;)21:21
tsimonq2zodiac19_: you'll learn a lot more when trying to accomplish something then when doing it just to learn the language21:21
tsimonq2zodiac19_: when trying to accomplish an end product, that is21:22
acheronukI've learnt bit and bobs of quite a few languages over the years. Basically what I needed to do the job at hand.21:22
tsimonq2zodiac19_: so you can try to learn how to code, but I recommend packaging because the people here are friendly enough to help you code to learn21:22
tsimonq2zodiac19_: and packaging isn't all pure coding either :)21:23
acheronukmeans I have a smattering of quite a lot, but not any sort of master at anything :/21:23
tsimonq2acheronuk: but that's what you had to do for the job at hand, right?21:23
tsimonq2acheronuk: and you did it well?21:24
zodiac19_Well my endgame with ruby is learning enough to begin scripting in rgss3, a sub-language used in the RPG maker series21:24
acheronuktsimonq2: I got what need to be done, done, yes.21:24
zodiac19_(i probably mis-used sub language...)21:24
tsimonq2zodiac19_: let me be more specific, you could learn how to code just for the sake of wanting to learn how to code in a specific (sub-)propgramming language21:25
tsimonq2zodiac19_: but I would encourage you to dive in, and ask questions when you get stuck21:25
tsimonq2zodiac19_: pick something to do and start it :)21:25
acheronuktsimonq2: just if someone asks do you know x, y, z language, all I can answer is 'a little'21:26
zodiac19_but before I just dive right in and begin coding, i need to know all the basics before I try anything21:27
tsimonq2zodiac19_: yes you need to know the basics, but imho the best way you can do something specific is to just do it :)21:27
tsimonq2don't aim to learn the whole language first21:28
zodiac19_besides I don't plan to dwell on just rgss3, I also plan on using unity and other development tools for other various purposes. and I wouldn't yet know where to start looking for the information I need to begin what I aim on doing.21:28
tsimonq2well what do you want to work with?21:29
zodiac19_I use a program called RPG Maker VX Ace, and MV (MV uses java script).21:31
zodiac19_I want to start planning and working on making an automatic Day/night script that changes screen tint, time variables, and time based events smoothly.21:31
valoriezodiac19_: you might want to inspect the code of redshift then21:31
valorie!info redshift21:31
ubotturedshift (source: redshift): Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.11-1ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 77 kB, installed size 419 kB21:31
valorieit isn't working very well for me right now21:32
tsimonq2zodiac19_: you can grab the code with this command: apt source redshift21:32
zodiac19_well more specifically the game visual screen, not the actual full screen itself21:32
valoriekeeps changing the color erratically21:32
tsimonq2(the code that's in the Ubuntu archive)21:32
valoriethe code might be interesting to you anyway21:33
zodiac19_instead of using the programs eventing system (Drag'n'drop) for hours to get limited coding resources to do larger functions21:35
zodiac19_besides that I need to figure out how to make a lighting script that doesnt use image based resources to create specific tinting effects.21:36
zodiac19_but if anyone here would also like to take on the challenge of learning RGSS3 with me they are more than welcome!21:51
valoriezodiac19_: you might also check out the Gluon project, which is a game-building engine21:51
zodiac19_that sounds like an apt reccomendation, thank you21:52
zodiac19_aha, java, number 3 on my list of languages to learn, I look forward to getting a hold of an old runescape client and experimenting :DD21:54
zodiac19_Is there a coffee room sort of channel for kubuntu?21:58
valoriezodiac19_: #kubuntu-offtopic21:58
zodiac19_aha, that would probably be a more appropriate location for my topics :]21:59
ahoneybunanyone around today?23:17
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> o/23:17

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