| dax | @comment 77473 repeated idling despite being told to cut it out, 30d | 01:38 |
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| ubottu | Comment added. 77473 will be removed after 1 month. | 01:38 |
| bazhang | want to load amdgpu at boot? is that even feasible | 10:18 |
| bazhang | ie before xorg, waylan or what have you | 10:18 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia wanted me to file a complaint about himself for him. | 11:42 |
| ReedK2 | He's upset because he lied to me about something and refused to be clear and then became so upset as to ban me. | 11:42 |
| ReedK2 | I don't really care, but he insisted that I submit his complaint for him. | 11:42 |
| ReedK2 | Have a nice day. I have a lot of respect for all of you. ikonia, I also respect. I think you should not be bothered by his misdeed. He has a grudge against me because I have exposed his ignorance a few times. | 11:43 |
| ReedK2 | He isn't used to being wrong. | 11:43 |
| ReedK2 | I'm sorry if this comes off as a waste of time.... ikonia always says everything is a waste of time. But I try not to think that I'm pestering people when it appears they are only pestering themselves by insisting on doing something that is wrong. | 11:45 |
| ReedK2 | Good people aren't pestered easily. | 11:45 |
| * ReedK2 idle 3 hours. | 11:45 | |
| ikonia | ReedK2: please stop telling lies | 11:49 |
| ikonia | I've said nothing of the sort | 11:49 |
| ikonia | you can either a.) discuss your ban as I've invited you to do b.) leave | 11:49 |
| ikonia | pick | 11:49 |
| ReedK2 | My assumption is that you banned me for other reasons because the reasons you gave don't follow logic. | 11:49 |
| ikonia | I've explained why I banned you | 11:50 |
| ReedK2 | Nothing I've said is untrue. | 11:50 |
| ReedK2 | Then you must have not been clear, ikonia. You're serially unclear. | 11:50 |
| ikonia | I'll be happy to do so again if required | 11:50 |
| ikonia | would you like me to explain again ? | 11:50 |
| ReedK2 | You mean you'd be happy to do so for the first time? | 11:50 |
| ikonia | "sure" if you want | 11:50 |
| ReedK2 | I wonder if it will be different from before. hmm. | 11:50 |
| ikonia | how can it be different from before - you've just said this is the first time ? | 11:51 |
| ReedK2 | Let's say "the first time" if it makes sense, and "the second time" if it's illogical. | 11:51 |
| ikonia | ok - I'm not going to play these silly games | 11:51 |
| ikonia | I'll leave you to another operator | 11:51 |
| ReedK2 | The silly came called logic. Hmm.... | 11:51 |
| ikonia | the bottom line is you've only just been unbanned for not listening and being offtopic - you calmed down and we removed the ban | 11:51 |
| ReedK2 | No wonder you don't get along with people. | 11:51 |
| ReedK2 | Usually when someone is illogical, nobody gets along with them very well. | 11:52 |
| ReedK2 | Logic is what societies use to prevent themselves from having long arguments. | 11:52 |
| ikonia | you've come in asking software development questions, where given help and pointed to the correct place to get help | 11:52 |
| ikonia | you then picked a fight saying I'd personally made up non-existant phrases liked "build enviornment" | 11:52 |
| ikonia | and then started calling me a liar | 11:52 |
| ikonia | I've banned you | 11:52 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia, you told me to go "somewhere else".... | 11:52 |
| ikonia | you've since ranted in ##linux about this and #web as well as sending me a lot of personal abuse | 11:52 |
| ikonia | I'll leave you to discuss this with someone else | 11:53 |
| ReedK2 | to discuss a word that you made up, which is a homonym and homograph for another word, apparently.... | 11:53 |
| ReedK2 | You sent me on a nonsense chore. | 11:53 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia, do you feel abused? | 11:54 |
| ReedK2 | Was it abusive to ask you to clarify what you were saying? | 11:54 |
| ikonia | no, you just sent me abusive messages | 11:54 |
| ReedK2 | Or was it abusive to give you another person's definition (which you said was incorrect)? | 11:54 |
| ReedK2 | Or my definition (which you said was incorrect)? | 11:55 |
| ikonia | I didn't say it was incorrect | 11:55 |
| ReedK2 | Or to explain to you that I had searched the internet and only come up with fuzzy definitions (which you said was incorrect)? | 11:55 |
| ReedK2 | Yes you did. | 11:55 |
| ikonia | I didn't say it was incorrect | 11:55 |
| ikonia | !logs | 11:55 |
| ubottu | Official channel logs can be found at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too. Meetingology logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ | 11:55 |
| ReedK2 | Back to the lies. | 11:55 |
| ikonia | I suggest you read the logs | 11:55 |
| ReedK2 | Now who's playing a game? | 11:55 |
| ikonia | no-one | 11:55 |
| ReedK2 | Did you say the definitions were correct? | 11:56 |
| ikonia | no | 11:56 |
| ReedK2 | Did you say I didn't need to do the chore because I had the correct definition? | 11:56 |
| ReedK2 | Or did you say: "That's not what it is?" | 11:56 |
| ikonia | I said none of that | 11:56 |
| ikonia | again, read the logs | 11:56 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia, you know waht you said. | 11:57 |
| ReedK2 | There's no need to get into logs. | 11:57 |
| ikonia | I do | 11:57 |
| ReedK2 | Good. | 11:57 |
| ReedK2 | Then we agree. | 11:57 |
| ikonia | thats why I said read the los | 11:57 |
| ikonia | logs | 11:57 |
| ReedK2 | Why don't you paste the line you're referring to? | 11:57 |
| ikonia | what lines ? | 11:57 |
| ReedK2 | Where you said that the definition was correct. | 11:57 |
| ikonia | I didn't say that either | 11:57 |
| ReedK2 | Ohhhhh ohhhhh. okay.... | 11:57 |
| ReedK2 | right, you banned me instead. | 11:58 |
| ReedK2 | after re-stating your suggestion. | 11:58 |
| ikonia | ?? | 11:58 |
| ReedK2 | and yet somehow you want to twist that to not mean the definitions weren't correct and the chore wasn't unnecessary | 11:58 |
| ikonia | I'm really sorry, I don't actually know what you're talking about now | 11:58 |
| ikonia | honestly, I don't know what you're talking about | 11:59 |
| ReedK2 | That's why I mention the logical flaw. | 11:59 |
| ReedK2 | If I told you to go feed the dog... | 11:59 |
| ReedK2 | And then you said: "The dog has already been fed." | 11:59 |
| ReedK2 | And I said: "Go feed the dog." | 11:59 |
| ikonia | I don't know what you're talking about logical flaws or things like that | 11:59 |
| ReedK2 | Then the logic suggests I don't believe the dog was fed. | 11:59 |
| ReedK2 | And that your statement, "The dog has been fed," is either wrong or incomplete. | 11:59 |
| ikonia | I just told you - you need to get basic development help and understand your build environment | 11:59 |
| ReedK2 | what's a build environment | 11:59 |
| * ReedK2 braces himself to be banned | 12:00 | |
| ReedK2 | I should leave so I don't get banned. | 12:00 |
| ikonia | a build environment is the setup that you use to build your software | 12:00 |
| ikonia | as explained to you | 12:00 |
| ikonia | it's personal to you | 12:00 |
| ReedK2 | I told you: "I'm LEARNING c, gtk, and bash." | 12:00 |
| ikonia | yes, they are programming languages and a shell script | 12:00 |
| ReedK2 | I can't fast-forward learning, ikonia . | 12:00 |
| ikonia | they are not a build environment | 12:01 |
| ReedK2 | YOu want to ban me from #ubuntu because I'm learning. | 12:01 |
| ReedK2 | And because I'm a beginner. | 12:01 |
| ikonia | no-one expects you to, this is why I told you to get basic development help and understand your build environment | 12:01 |
| ikonia | because you are learning | 12:01 |
| ReedK2 | You dno't want me to come back until after I've learned for another year or several years | 12:01 |
| ikonia | no, I don't want you to use #ubuntu for programming help | 12:01 |
| ReedK2 | "go learn about your build environment. don't ask here." | 12:01 |
| ikonia | which is why I told you to join a programming/development channel | 12:01 |
| ReedK2 | I just asked if anyone had used gtk.... | 12:01 |
| ikonia | no you didn't | 12:02 |
| ReedK2 | yeah i did | 12:02 |
| ReedK2 | that's when you started attacking me with your troll bans | 12:02 |
| ikonia | you asked for help compiling gtk software because of missing header | 12:02 |
| ReedK2 | "I have to find a reason to ban this guy." | 12:02 |
| ikonia | and didn't understand (which is fine) that #include is not a file path | 12:02 |
| ReedK2 | 11 hours, I was at #ubuntu, everyone was having fun... | 12:02 |
| ReedK2 | everyone was enjoying each other, having friendly chat... | 12:02 |
| ikonia | hence why I requested you join a software development channel | 12:02 |
| ReedK2 | you come online... 5 minutes you want to ban | 12:02 |
| ReedK2 | you're sadistic. | 12:02 |
| ReedK2 | all i did was ask you to clarify | 12:03 |
| ikonia | ReedK2: I'd been online for many hours, just not talking, I only started talking when you started referencing software development help | 12:03 |
| ReedK2 | if you had a problem with me asking about gtk, then you would have banned me back then. | 12:03 |
| ReedK2 | you had a problem with me exposing you | 12:03 |
| ikonia | to which I helped you, advised you and requested you join the right channel | 12:03 |
| ReedK2 | oh, yeh. okay. i concede. YOu're SO helpful, man. | 12:03 |
| ikonia | this is the attitude that causes a problem | 12:03 |
| ReedK2 | SO helpful that you refuse to be clear, and you indirectly call correct definitions incorrect. | 12:03 |
| ikonia | please re-read the logs, | 12:04 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia, seriously, I concede. | 12:04 |
| ReedK2 | I'm doing my best to just accept your world view.... | 12:04 |
| ReedK2 | YOu're extremely helpful. thank you for referring me to "some other place" | 12:04 |
| ReedK2 | thank you for banning me, man. nothing could have been more helpful | 12:04 |
| ReedK2 | okay, so now it's my attitude? Okay. then my attitude got me banned. | 12:04 |
| ikonia | now you're being silly again | 12:05 |
| ReedK2 | You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to get a dog trainer to my house, and I'm going to ask if he can work with humans, too. I can get an attitude adjustment. | 12:05 |
| ReedK2 | The world's a silly place. Maybe a little levity will make it easier to chat. | 12:05 |
| ikonia | like when you where sending me messages about "I'm your father figure" and all this after saying "fuck off" to me - or words to that effect | 12:05 |
| ikonia | so I'm not really interested | 12:05 |
| ReedK2 | that's incorrect. i was quoting you. | 12:05 |
| ReedK2 | I said: "I respect you very much because you have a lot of wisdom. You're like a father figure to me. But you're basically telling me to fuck off." | 12:06 |
| ReedK2 | Probably English is your second language, and that's where all the miscommunications come from. | 12:06 |
| ikonia | English is my first language | 12:06 |
| ReedK2 | It's very possible that you don't even know what you're implying. | 12:06 |
| ikonia | hence why I understood the context you where giving to me | 12:06 |
| ReedK2 | Well, a lot of Native English speakers aren't very good at English. I think the average reading level is 8th grade in the US. | 12:06 |
| ikonia | well as you told me, while I'm in a channel with you, I'll never be the smartest person in the channel | 12:07 |
| ReedK2 | Usually, people who are very good at English are also very clear and concise and don't use a lot of needless phrases. | 12:07 |
| ikonia | I'm not really interesteed in your English language dicussion to be honest | 12:07 |
| ikonia | I'm just interested in your behaviour in #ubuntu | 12:07 |
| ReedK2 | That's because I ask multiple sources, ikonia.... | 12:07 |
| ReedK2 | I don't just believe whatever I'm told. | 12:08 |
| ReedK2 | So if you lie to me, I might find out by fact checking. | 12:08 |
| ikonia | and as you've told me you're not interested / bothered about being in #ubuntu any more | 12:08 |
| ikonia | so I'm not sure what oyu actually want | 12:08 |
| ikonia | other than to cause yet another re-play of this whole discussion after you've done it on other channels already | 12:08 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia, you asked me to file a complaint about you for you. Your behavior is the issue. | 12:08 |
| ikonia | no I didn't | 12:08 |
| ikonia | I told you this is the channel to come to if you wanted to discuss your ban | 12:08 |
| ReedK2 | "if you want to complain, you can do it at #ubuntu-ops" | 12:08 |
| ReedK2 | well, I think you said a lot of stuff while you were mad and forgot. | 12:09 |
| ikonia | yes, after you've been complaining in the ##linux and #web channels about it | 12:09 |
| ikonia | !complaint | ReedK2 | 12:09 |
| ikonia | !appeal | ReedK2 | 12:09 |
| ubottu | ReedK2: If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. | 12:09 |
| ikonia | sorry - wrong bot factoid | 12:09 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia, I complained about the ubuntu community, not about you specifically. | 12:09 |
| ReedK2 | At #linux | 12:09 |
| ReedK2 | then you came in and said: "Hey! Don't talk about me." | 12:10 |
| ikonia | ReedK2: you didn't you referenced me spefcially | 12:10 |
| ReedK2 | And in #web, they asked why I asked what a build environment was... | 12:10 |
| ikonia | I really don't want to go over this again, as it's just getting petty | 12:10 |
| ReedK2 | and I said: "Because I wanted to verify that I was lied to." | 12:10 |
| ikonia | ReedK2: no - you asked while complainign you'd been banned | 12:10 |
| ReedK2 | and then you went guerilla-balls in that channel, too. | 12:10 |
| ReedK2 | i asked before being banned adn posted the quote with #web attached in your "logs" | 12:10 |
| ikonia | ReedK2: no I didn't | 12:11 |
| ReedK2 | and you said their definition was not correct. | 12:11 |
| ikonia | this is pointless | 12:11 |
| ReedK2 | I didn't bring your name up, ikonia. I just answerd their question | 12:11 |
| ikonia | either follow the appeals process,or don't | 12:11 |
| ReedK2 | I feel you lied to me. | 12:11 |
| ReedK2 | Several times. | 12:11 |
| ikonia | ReedK2: you didn't bring up me name but you said "the operator who banned me" | 12:11 |
| ReedK2 | You could have validated what I was saying.... | 12:11 |
| ikonia | enough | 12:11 |
| ikonia | this is a waste of time | 12:11 |
| ReedK2 | But instead you chose to insist that I do an inane chore. | 12:12 |
| ikonia | follow the appeals process, this conversation shows how much of a waste of time it is | 12:12 |
| ReedK2 | And when I followed your inane chore, you got mad. | 12:12 |
| ikonia | if another operator wants to pick it up with you, they can do so, I'd give it 15 minutes to see if they do, if not follow the appeals process | 12:12 |
| ReedK2 | Yeah, it's a waste of time because you're very insistent.... | 12:12 |
| ReedK2 | You should try saying this: "You're right, ReedK2." | 12:12 |
| ReedK2 | Not because you believe it, but as a hypothetical process. | 12:12 |
| ReedK2 | To help you think. | 12:12 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia, because you're an op at #ubuntu, and you have harassed me several times.... | 12:13 |
| ReedK2 | And also because I'm not banned right now.... | 12:13 |
| ReedK2 | There's no point in appealing. | 12:13 |
| ikonia | you are banned | 12:13 |
| ReedK2 | well, there's still no point for the first reason | 12:13 |
| ReedK2 | i can't get angry, and you are malicious | 12:13 |
| ReedK2 | malicious people make others angry. | 12:14 |
| ReedK2 | even if i get unbanned, you'll repeat the abusive behavior | 12:14 |
| ikonia | I don't know what you're talking about, please discuss it with one of the other operator teams members | 12:14 |
| ReedK2 | and that's not healthy. | 12:14 |
| ReedK2 | i'm talking about giving me a senseless chore | 12:14 |
| ReedK2 | then adulterating my education with lies | 12:14 |
| ReedK2 | then yelling at me in 2 other channels and in private chat | 12:14 |
| ikonia | I gave you no chore, and no lies | 12:14 |
| ReedK2 | when you're an op. you're supposed to be someone people respect. | 12:14 |
| ReedK2 | you're supposed to be an example | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | this isn't an example of mature behavior, man. | 12:15 |
| ikonia | I've not yelled at you anywhere, I've told you to join #ubuntu-ops to discuss your ban not use the other channels as a ranting place | 12:15 |
| ikonia | I've got the conversations logged if you want | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | that ban? it was stupid and senseless | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | it's a last resort | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | you should ban people when you have no other options | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | you could have been clear. | 12:15 |
| ikonia | please discuss the ban with another operator, and I'll make the logs public to them too | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | you could have validated me. | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | you could have tried to be a little nicer | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | you could have done a lot of thigns. | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | but you wanted to do something illogical | 12:15 |
| ikonia | ReedK2: to be clear - I'll not discuss this any more with you | 12:15 |
| ReedK2 | unreasonable | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | yeah i know, run away | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | like always | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | do something bad, run away, try to convince yourself it was right | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | dude you were wrong | 12:16 |
| ikonia | I'll leave it 15 minutes for you to engage with another operator, if not, I'll remove you from the channel inline with our noidle policy | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | it's not a big deal to admit you were wrong | 12:16 |
| ikonia | you are welcome to follow the appeals process I gave you earlier | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | i can admit i was wrong | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | look | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | I WAS WRONG!!!! | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | see? | 12:16 |
| ReedK2 | no big deal | 12:16 |
| ikonia | @mark ReedK2 #ubuntu-ops 15 minute marker to engage with operator team | 12:16 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 12:16 |
| ikonia | @mark #ubuntu-ops reedk2 15 minute marker to engage with operator team | 12:17 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | my turtle died when I was 12 because I didn't get to the pet store fast enough | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | I WAS WRONG! | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | happy? | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | your turn. | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | you lied about a definition more than 3 times | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | then you banned someone because you didn't want to correct yourself | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | and then you went and did personal attacks to that person, who hadn't said your name, on two other venues. | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | you were wrong. | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | simple | 12:17 |
| ReedK2 | I didn't even anticipate the ban, bro. Completely shocked. | 12:18 |
| ReedK2 | just typical angry ikonia being way over-the-top with authority. | 12:18 |
| ReedK2 | Let me explain how things usually work on IRC, ikonia .... First of all, people look for the info using a search engine; however, some channels don't require that step because some users can't access search engines... | 12:19 |
| ReedK2 | At that stage, people also look in reference manuals, talk to their teachers, go to other resources as much as possible.... | 12:19 |
| ReedK2 | then they put a question up like: "What's a build environment, since you brought it up?" | 12:19 |
| ReedK2 | At that stage, either the question is ignored, or it's picked up. | 12:20 |
| ReedK2 | You picked up the thread, probably because you started it.... | 12:20 |
| ikonia | ReedK2: I've muted you - either a.) engage with another operator in the channel without a monologue b.) leave the channel and continue about your day c.) follow the appeals process | 12:20 |
| ikonia | I'll remove the mute in a moment | 12:21 |
| ikonia | then you can decide which option you wish to follow | 12:21 |
| ikonia | mute removed | 12:21 |
| ReedK2 | ikonia, I spent 20 minutes doing what you asked.... | 12:21 |
| ReedK2 | Nobody cares. you're the only op at #ubuntu. | 12:22 |
| ReedK2 | probably they're all avoiding you | 12:22 |
| ikonia | @mark #ubuntu-ops ReedK2 while playing the -ops game is sending me pm's calling me a coward and other things | 12:22 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 12:22 |
| ikonia | ReedK2: please pick your option - no more discussion | 12:22 |
| ReedK2 | you're really a frustrating, annoying person. you get carried away with authority | 12:22 |
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