#ubuntu-learning 2009-10-05
<cprofitt> good evening Vantrax
<cprofitt> I am still not getting email from the list -- I always find out about our meetings my doing /topic
<Vantrax> hrm
<Vantrax> taking a peak now
<Vantrax> your in the list
<pleia2> cprofitt: hm, why are you in digest mode?
<pleia2> you're a board member :) don't you want to get the emails more quickly than a week?
<cprofitt> pleia2, I changed from digest mode...
<cprofitt> not sure why it is still in digest
<cprofitt> I made that change two or three weeks ago
<BiosElement-AFK> Hmm...I wonder where my other xchat session went...
<pleia2> cprofitt: the last email was on the 1st, you didn't get it?
<cprofitt> no --
<Vantrax> hrm
<Vantrax> how was everything last week, I was away on training all week
<cprofitt> Are there any agenda items for tomorrow?
<pleia2> I should add some
<Zachk18> akgraner_, welcome
<akgraner_> Zachk18, thanks!!
<akgraner_> :-)
<Zachk18> akgraner, first time or...............
<akgraner> I'm in and out of here.. I think it is an awesome project...
<akgraner> I want to free up some time to help.. but so far all I can seem to do is watch and tell people about it...sigh
<akgraner> and speaking of time.. out the door I go.. kids to school and all...;-)
<pleia2> hm, has anyone been working with Zachk18?
<pleia2> I am sure he means well, but joining and asking all our regulars whether they need help is kinda odd
<paultag> o/
<paultag> Zachk is a prospective to the UBT
<paultag> not one of mine
<paultag> mine behave well :P
<paultag> I have had to deal with him. I told him to leave or join with the Young Users group of the UBT. I know Silver_Fox_ leads that group. We are hands on, I have already raised that issue within the UBT
<paultag> Don't be afraid to tell him off pleia2, he can take it. He is an "Adult" this year.
<paultag> He might think this is a support channel, why no be a bit more clear about the objectives here pleia2?
<paultag> ( to him, you are already clear to the rest of the world (
<pleia2> well, he's already upset at me because I kept telling him not to use his away script here
<paultag> sed /d (/d )/g
<paultag> pleia2, I'll have a chat with him next time he is online. Sorry about this, I'll deal with it
<pleia2> paultag: no problem :) thank you
<paultag> sure, no problem :)
<akgraner> bodhi_zazen, ping
<akgraner> bodhi_zazen, open week is around the corner, and pleia2 suggested that you might want to give a class on -beginners
<akgraner> :-D
<bodhi_zazen> I could be talked into it akgraner
<pleia2> akgraner: that's a yes! quick, put it on the schedule :)
<akgraner> bodhi_zazen, on I'm penciling you in then...:-D
<akgraner> but seriously...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep  take a look at the schedule there are still some slots left..:-)
<doctormo> What is the exciting schedualed thing?
<pleia2> doctormo: ubuntu open week session on ubuntu-beginners
<doctormo> Ah ok
<pleia2> doctormo: would you be interested in doing on giving tips about teaching ubuntu in a classroom?
<doctormo> I have a loose set of tips, but nothing strong enough to teach others.
<pleia2> ok
<bodhi_zazen> sweet, thanks akgraner
<akgraner> pleia2, thanks!! anymore suggestions...
<akgraner> bodhi_zazen, oh I need a bio from you as well..:-D!  Please and Thank You!
<bodhi_zazen> Will my wiki page do ?
<bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/BodhiZazen
<bodhi_zazen> oops :(
<bodhi_zazen> https://launchpad.net/~bodhi.zazen
<bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BodhiZazen
<doctormo> pleia2: Maybe after my second "semester" of teaching classes I'll be more sure footed about teaching others how to teach.
<pleia2> doctormo: ok, next time then :)
<doctormo> You know me, I wouldn't refuse putting my foot in my mouth unless I thought it was a shoe-in.
 * pleia2 grins
<akgraner> bodhi_zazen, :-) yep..
<akgraner> bodhi_zazen, where are you located...  trying to figure out what time is best to pencil you in at?
<akgraner> DOH!  it's on the wiki...
 * akgraner smacks head on keyboard...
 * akgraner mumbles something about it being a Monday... :-/
 * pleia2 hugs akgraner 
<pleia2> that's ok, I just thought "wait, what day is it? oh no, it's far too early in the week to be wondering this!"
<pleia2> it's going to be a long week :)
 * akgraner hugs pleia2   
<akgraner> whew so glad it's not just me feeling that way...
<akgraner> we start cooking Friday for the wedding on Saturday...
<akgraner> o.O I'm going to lose my mind...
<pleia2> hehe
<doctormo> akgraner: You had a wedding?
<akgraner> doctormo, my niece is getting married this weekend
<Zachk18> akgraner, that's awesome!
<doctormo> akgraner: Send on my congratulations.
<akgraner> I will... thank you
<akgraner> :-)
<Zachk18> Lns, welcome
<Lns> hi Zachk18
<pleia2> doctormo: our meeting is in about an hour - will you be around to update us on your progress with BiosElement's workflow document?
<Zachk18> ooh...meeting?
<bodhi_zazen> akgraner: Best time for me is UTC 22:00 - 00:00
<akgraner> does the day matter
<doctormo> pleia2: I will be
<pleia2> ok good :)
<doctormo> I'll be following BiosElement's advice and making a whole heap of stuff advisory, at least until I can get some personal tools sorted out far into the future.
<doctormo> That way, maximum people can join in
<BiosElement> Great to hear doctormo. We can always add things as people need them later.
<doctormo> I figured I'd just need a few days to think it through, sorry for the conflict BiosElement
<BiosElement> Oh it's fine doctormo
<cprofitt> hello pleia2
<cprofitt> are we in #ubuntu-meeting or here?
<cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, doctormo -- #ubuntu-meeting or here?
<bodhi_zazen> meeting =)
<cprofitt> k
<cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, who is controlling the meetings now?
<cprofitt> or should I plan on doing that?
<pleia2> I like it when cprofitt chairs :)
<cprofitt> lol
<doctormo> OK up and at em
<pleia2> ugh, looks like I won't be back for the rest of the meeting, server down and I have to do an emergency restoration
<pleia2> work--
<cprofitt> pleia2, I am doing that remotely as well... joy!
<bodhi_zazen> ugg, hope it is fixed fast pleia2
#ubuntu-learning 2009-10-06
<doctormo> Well that was an interesting meeting, i feel like I've been bullied into submission on the grounds of compromise, with no actual compromise motioned.
<BiosElement> +1
<cprofitt> doctormo, I teach you Moodle you teach me asciisdocs
<cprofitt> that was the compromise
<doctormo> So my current status is: I will learn moodle from cprofit and we'll do a swap. Then we'll decide what to do about it all and how we can move forwards.
<cprofitt> yes.
<doctormo> cprofitt: Oh I thought you just suggested that out of scope, not in the meeting motions.
<cprofitt> and we may move forward initially with Moodle and bring your idea along as more management is needed
<cprofitt> I did suggest that out of scope
<doctormo> cprofitt: Do we have  date for you learning asciidoc?
<cprofitt> doctormo, not yet... let me finish another conversation thread then I can open my calendar
<pleia2> so does this mean we're still going to hold off on course development?
<doctormo> pleia2: I'm not holding off, the question is why everyone else is.
<doctormo> pleia2: At the least we can be making plans in the wiki and writing text courses.
<pleia2> doctormo: I was waiting for your workflow doc from BiosElement so I knew how to use bzr+asciidoc :)
<doctormo> We can always copy and paste them into whatever, because it's CC.
<BiosElement> Aye doctormo I told pleia2 to hold off until I was sure what we were doing.
<pleia2> I mean, I could just keep doing .odt
<pleia2> maybe I should?
<doctormo> pleia2: please do
<doctormo> pleia2: At least until we've got things settled.
<doctormo> Things can always be moved around.
<pleia2> ok
<cprofitt> pleia2, I can train both you and doc with Moodle
<doctormo> pleia2: Although it'll be helpful later on if everything is written to the same basic step, introduction, lecture/overview, demonstration and then practical hands on.
<pleia2> doctormo: of course
<pleia2> cprofitt: that would be great :)
<cprofitt> So... date/time
<doctormo> Indeed
<cprofitt> booting up main machine with calendar now...
<pleia2> hehe
<pleia2> goog_cal++
<doctormo> I think I'm going to be out of comission for a few days, looks like I'm getting sick and it's starting with a splitting headache.
 * pleia2 hugs doctormo 
<doctormo> thanks, nice new virtual hugs mean you won't catch it ;-D
<pleia2> :)
<cprofitt> this week - any night other than tomorrow night...
<cprofitt> how does that work for you guys?
<doctormo> sounds good, any night except tomorrow and wednesday for me
<cprofitt> Thursday or Friday good for you pleia2 ?
<pleia2> wouldn't that mean admitting I have no life? :)
<pleia2> either one is fine
<Vantrax> hard to get to the meetings now, im stuck driving to work usually.
<pleia2> Vantrax: we're still trying to move them around, got complaints from europe folks we were having them too late so we had to bump a couple earlier
<cprofitt> doctormo, Thursday or Friday better for you?
<pleia2> lets shoot for friday, give doctormo plenty of time to get well :)
<cprofitt> k
<Vantrax> Ill do what i can to make em
<cprofitt> Friday at 9pm EST?
<cprofitt> EDT I mean
<Vantrax> I also need to get some course streams finalised so I can create the categories in moodle so i can configure the links in the menu to point to them.
<doctormo> Hey Vantrax
<pleia2> ok
<doctormo> Vantrax: Where the rolls and other images I posted useful for you in that task?
<Vantrax> yep
<cprofitt> how do we want to do the 'voice' part?
<Vantrax> its all good context
<cprofitt> or do we want to use IRC and screen share or some such?
<Vantrax> ellumenate could work
<doctormo> cprofitt: so long as it's usable on Ubuntu with a preference for FOSS.
<cprofitt> Vantrax, does that cost anything?
<Vantrax> nope
<doctormo> http://lwn.net/Articles/355546/rss <- interesting article.
<cprofitt> works with Ubuntu?
<Vantrax> you can create rooms for up to 20 with no licence
<Vantrax> under wine it does...
<Vantrax> not natively unfortunately
<cprofitt> crap... anything support LInux?
<Vantrax> they do have a mac version
<Vantrax> so a linux version should be a simple rebuild
<Vantrax> linux is only just starting to get into the education space
<cprofitt> doctormo, pleia2 lets work on -- the how over the next two days...
<doctormo> Nah, no wine solutions please, if required we'll just use skype.
<pleia2> skype is fine
<cprofitt> 9pm Friday -- for a Moodle training session
 * cprofitt has not skype
<cprofitt> I can do SIP though... just have to ask for permission
<pleia2> you get it from the internets, it's free :)
<pleia2> I can't do SIP
 * cprofitt thinks skype is evil
<cprofitt> pleia2, why not... ?
<doctormo> cprofitt: I agree and it would be my last choice, but sip solutions are dreadful still.
<cprofitt> I just use Ekiga
 * Vantrax knows skype is evil
<BiosElement> Mumble might be an option if needed.
<pleia2> cprofitt: complicated firewall for work already using my SIP ports and things, can't unconfigure it for a night
<pleia2> it would be a disaster
<cprofitt> ah...
<cprofitt> you work at night pleia2 ?
<doctormo> wow they only work over a set port, sounds rather bad.
<pleia2> cprofitt: as backup, yes
<pleia2> only 2 people in the company ;)
<pleia2> doctormo: well, my firewall is locked down pretty tight, I'd have to open non-default ports and let the traffic through, blahbalh all a huge hassle
<cprofitt> ok -- we can work on how to communicate...
<cprofitt> perhaps even use a real phone...
<doctormo> shouldn't need to open any ports tbh
<cprofitt> I thought ekiga worked w/o opening ports...
<cprofitt> pleia2, and doctormo you here?
<doctormo> cprofitt: sort of,
<pleia2> yeah
<cprofitt> see private -- got permission to use a sip line w/ regular phone
<cprofitt> we have to NOT abuse it
<hal14450> cprofitt, what's up?
<pleia2> hey there hal14450
<hal14450> hi all
<cprofitt> pleia2, and doctormo this is hal14450 who has offered to let us use his SIP
<cprofitt> I sent you the information in a private message
<hal14450> my pleasure
<doctormo> thanks hal14450
<cprofitt> I just wanted to introduce him... and vice versa
<pleia2> thanks hal14450 :)
<hal14450> i believe we've got a time limiter on it now so it may cut you off after 1.5 or 2 hours but you can call right back in
<hal14450> just try not to go too crazy since it costs me money
<hal14450> too crazy == 10 hours
<cprofitt> we will need 30 minutes to one hour hal14450
<cprofitt> thanks very much
<hal14450> no problem you're all very welcome
<cprofitt> hal14450, you know pleia2 anyway right?
<cprofitt> doctormo, is in the MA Loco and very active
<hal14450> indeed
<hal14450> i've read doctormo's blog more than a few times ;-)
<doctormo> thanks cprofitt, it's easier to be very active when you don't have a job.
<hal14450> and pleia2 hangs out in a lot of the channels i usually do
<cprofitt> pleia2, and doctormo do you both have an account on bodhi_zazen's test server?
<doctormo> Yes,
<pleia2> yeah
<hal14450> if you guys want i can set you up w/ an extension on the asterisk box so you can make ld calls for free it will take a few minutes and if you want voicemail that will require a valid email address
<hal14450> s/guys/guys and gals/
<pleia2> :)
<hal14450> pleia2, didn't want you feeling left out ;-)
<doctormo> Up to you of course, doctormo@gmail.com
<doctormo> But it sounds cool
<pleia2> I hate phones and already get free d so I'll pass ;) but using this for conference calls is great
<pleia2> s/d/ld
<hal14450> i've gotta bug jag to chown the conf files, he edits them as root and i only have a user login on that box lol
<hal14450> pleia2, the offer still stands if you ever change your mind
<pleia2> hal14450: thanks!
<hal14450> np yw
<hal14450> doctormo, i'll pm you the login details once i've sorted it out
<doctormo> hal14450: perfect,t hanks
<hal14450> np yw
<hal14450> if you have an ATA (Analog Telephone Adapter) it will work w/ that as well
<hal14450> doctormo, ping ck your pm please
 * Zachk18 waves to bodhizazen 
<bodhizazen> 'lo Zachk18
<Zachk18> bodhizazen, How dost it go with thee at this hour?
<bodhizazen> not too bad =)
<bodhizazen> you ?
<Zachk18> ah ok...
<Zachk18> mo0nykit, hi
<mo0nykit> hello Zachk18 !
<doctormo> pleia2: Bah, can't post a comment to your blog
<doctormo> pleia2: Just lots of openid errors for wordpress, launchpad openid and google login errors for google. :-(
<doctormo> ok done at last
<pleia2> doctormo: I don't use openid..
<travis_> !nick Raidsong
<Scbbdsg> Hallo, hier ein DAU. Ich hatte mal eine Knoppix DVD und hab mir dann erfolgreich suse 10 mit kde installiert. Wie und was fÃ¼r eine Version von Ubuntu wÃ¤r fÃ¼r einen komplett neu aufgesetzten Rechner mit 1GB ram fÃ¼r mich sinnvoll?
<Scbbdsg> english?
<pleia2> Deutsch?
<pleia2> Scbbdsg: #ubuntu-de :)
<Scbbdsg> Danke!
#ubuntu-learning 2009-10-07
<Vantrax> Grats on the CC pleia2
<pleia2> Vantrax: thank you :)
<cprofitt> ?
<pleia2> cprofitt: community council!
<cprofitt> ah...
<cprofitt> meeting right?
<pleia2> elections
<cprofitt> where?
<pleia2> oh, they started a couple weeks ago, I was a nominee and now I'm a member :)
<cprofitt> where does one vote?
<pleia2> mark sent out ballots to all ubuntu members a couple weeks ago, voting closed this morning
<cprofitt> odd... I do not believe I got one.
<pleia2> :\
<cprofitt> how was it addressed?
<pleia2> let's see..
<pleia2> from: Mark Shuttleworth, CIVS poll supervisor <mark@ubuntu.com>
<pleia2> to: my default launchpad email addres
<cprofitt> I wanted to vote for you and bodhi_zazen
<pleia2> subject: CIVS Poll now available for voting: Ubuntu Community Council 2009
<pleia2> bodhi_zazen wasn't on the ballot :(
<cprofitt> :-(
<cprofitt> I thought he was
<pleia2> and I made it!
<pleia2> the ballot only had 12 names
<cprofitt> grats
<pleia2> thanks :)
<cprofitt> no record of it...
<pleia2> aw
<cprofitt> I have to check the stupid spam folder on-line for my ISP
<Vantrax> lol
<cprofitt> what date ?
<Vantrax> btw pleia2 swoody is going for ubuntu membership
<Vantrax> I probably wont be there but he has my full backing
<pleia2> Vantrax: hm, for some reason I thought he was already a member
<Vantrax> nope
<pleia2> noted :)
<Vantrax> but he should be
<cprofitt> pleia2, what date was the email on?
<pleia2> cprofitt: sept 22nd
<cprofitt> there it is in my junk mail folder on the ISP -- I gotta figure out how to turn that off
<cprofitt> I would prefer to have my program handle it
<Vantrax> pity
<Vantrax> but popey and pleia2 got in so im happy
<Vantrax> anyway afk a bit
<cprofitt> Yes... I just want to contribute and be a part... and not getting the email...
<cprofitt> gah
<pleia2> darn email, unreliable thing
<cprofitt> nah... just Time Warner
<cprofitt> with their before it gets to your email spam filter
<cprofitt> gotta go spend time with daughter
<cprofitt> bbl
<bodhi_zazen> pleia2: and you will make a fine member on the CC =)
<bodhi_zazen> And +1 on my support of swoody as well
<pleia2> bodhi_zazen: thank you :)
<bodhi_zazen> FYI: I was going to put Zenbutnu on the CC agenda after the election, more a FYI, both for you and the CC
<bodhi_zazen> I send an email to Canonical re: trademark several weeks ago and have not heard back
<pleia2> response time for the trademark department tends to be slow
<bodhi_zazen> as I read the trademark page I do not see a violation as I am not selling Zenbuntu nor am I promoting it as a non-ubuntu distro
<bodhi_zazen> but that is more of a FYI then anything else
<pleia2> yeah, I think it's more useful as an FYI, I get the impression that they'll take action if there is an issue but mostly ignore things they think are fine
<bodhi_zazen> that has been my impression
<bodhi_zazen> they don't want to say yes as they wish to reserve the right to say no in the future
 * pleia2 nods
<bodhi_zazen> Based on my experience with this project it seems some on the CC wish to have a heads up on community projects, lol
<pleia2> yeah, they seemed to appreciate it when this team showed up :)
<Zachk18> well understandably so
<swoody> hello again everyone :)
<pleia2> hey swoody
<swoody> completely forgot that I didn't add this channel after my last fresh install :(
<swoody> hello pleia2 :)
<pleia2> welcome back :)
<swoody> how are you this evening?
<pleia2> doing good
<swoody> oh it's good to be back :)
<pleia2> you?
<swoody> oh I can't complain, thank you :)
<Zachk18> heya swoody
<swoody> hello Zachk18 :)
<swoody> and congrats again on becoming a BT member!
<Zachk18> ty
<pleia2> swoody: your email address always makes me hungry
<swoody> pleia2, heh, me too :)
<swoody> sushi's good any time of day!
<pleia2> hehe
<pleia2> yum yum sushi, I could go for some sushi
<Vantrax> mmmm sushi.... sashimi....
#ubuntu-learning 2009-10-08
<Beastmanh1> Anyone here?
<bodhizazen> yep =)
<bodhizazen> what you need ?
#ubuntu-learning 2009-10-09
 * Zachk18 is back (gone 00:00:23)
 * Zachk18 is away: Going to bed....back around 8:00 A.M.
#ubuntu-learning 2009-10-10
<pleia2> oh hm, has anyone heard from cproffit about the moodle training we tentatively had scheduled for tonight?
<pleia2> cprofitt: hey!
<cprofitt> hey pleia2
<pleia2> are we doing a moodle call thingy tonight?
<cprofitt> yes...
<cprofitt> sorry...
<cprofitt> my kids just stopped misbehaving and I just got on
<cprofitt> was it 8pm or 9pm we were shooting for?
<pleia2> 9pm, I was just wondering, you're not late :)
<cprofitt> phew
<cprofitt> sounds good.
<pleia2> I haven't seen doctormo talk about it though
<cprofitt> I am ready willing and able
<pleia2> and I was hoping to tag along with your conversation, I still need to read the moodle documentation :( bad pleia2
<cprofitt> You and I can do it if doc is not here
<pleia2> I should probably be better prepared
<cprofitt> nah... its ok
<pleia2> hm, still no doctormo!
<cprofitt> I am still up for training you at least...
<pleia2> ok, how should I prepare?
 * pleia2 gets logged into learn.ufbt.net
<cprofitt> http://learn.ufbt.net/course/view.php?id=7
<pleia2> ok, it's clear to me that I don't even know how to TAKE a moodle class
<pleia2> what do I click on? I just see a bunch of lines
<pleia2> hehe
<cprofitt> pleia2, are you on the conference yet?
<pleia2> no, have to dial in at 9:01
<cprofitt> k
<cprofitt> you went to the link I gave you
<pleia2> yes
<cprofitt> in the upper right had corner there should be a 'turn editing on'
<cprofitt> button... click that
<doctormo> Hello
<cprofitt> for editing...
<cprofitt> hey doctormo - http://learn.ufbt.net/course/view.php?id=7
<pleia2> ok
<cprofitt> I would like to wait until we conference...
<cprofitt> then I can go over all the 'parts'
<pleia2> alright :)
<pleia2> oh, maybe the course I should be "taking" is the one with the videos?
<doctormo> http://imagebin.ca/view/s3GrgK3V.html <- I'm not at home, I've just exited from a Carnival in Cambridge.
<doctormo> But I'm here at a cafe to do this lesson, 9:00pm exactly
<cprofitt> no -- I want to walk you through this stuff...
<pleia2> ok, it's after 9, I'll call in now
<cprofitt> in conference
<cprofitt> you dialing in doctormo ?
<doctormo> no
<doctormo> wait
<doctormo> Some complexity with my location
<doctormo> cprofitt, pleia2: can either of you remind me of the phone number and details? trying to find the email
<cprofitt> see private
<doctormo> thanks cprofitt
<cprofitt> http://learn.ufbt.net/course/view.php?id=3
<pleia2> call just went silent for me
 * pleia2 dials back in
<doctormo> pleia2: you back yet?
<pleia2> yep!
<pleia2> cprofitt: oh hey, are you going to be at the waterloo release party?
<cprofitt> pleia2, no... its on a Sunday... during football season
<pleia2> cprofitt: gah! :( but I will be there!
<cprofitt> yes, another missed opportunity to meet you... :-(
<pleia2> psh, football, I see how it is :)
<cprofitt> very sorry... but I have not missed a Buccaneers game in six years
<pleia2> hehe
<pleia2> ok ok
<cprofitt> I hope you really got some value out of the call...
<pleia2> oh I did, it was great :)
<cprofitt> here is the site I spoke about -- http://www.classroom20.com/
<cprofitt> its EDU and mostly K-12...
<cprofitt> http://community.k12opensource.com/
<cprofitt> that is the other one
<pleia2> ah ok, I'd seen the http://community.k12opensource.com/
<cprofitt> yea.. they talk a bit about Moodle as well.
<doctormo> Evening all
<bodhizazen> 'lo doctormo
<doctormo> bodhizazen: How's it going bodi, haven't seen you around much.
<bodhizazen> I've been quiet on this channel =)
<doctormo> :-)
<cprofitt> pleia2, you around?
#ubuntu-learning 2009-10-11
<shadeslayer> ravimaggon: dude.... just type /join #ubuntu
<pleia2> cprofitt: sorry, wasn't around much yesterday
<cprofitt> no problem
#ubuntu-learning 2010-10-12
<pleia2> doctormo: we should like, re-ignite writing courses here someday
<pleia2> we're just going to put them all in open office!
<doctormo> pleia2: Ahem, libre office
<doctormo> Who knows, libre office might be able to improve enough to do that.
<pleia2> well, whatever :)
<doctormo> lol
<pleia2> being stuck on mallard vs docbook vs asciidoc vs crayons on paper is sad
<doctormo> But yes I agree, we should start with taking openweek logs and writing them into classes.
 * pleia2 nods
#ubuntu-learning 2010-10-17
<venilsurya> Hi
#ubuntu-learning 2011-10-11
<braiam> --help
#ubuntu-learning 2014-10-08
<eros> hey
