#ubuntu-website 2008-09-15
<qense> hello
<newz2000> hi qense
<newz2000> mdke: I didn't fix anything
<Erik_J> newz2000, are you there?
<newz2000> hi Erik_J, yes, I'm here
<Erik_J> I have some questions: why does the page provide an option to buy ubuntu?
<Erik_J> ehh the download page
<newz2000> Because some people have a problem downloading it
<newz2000> and buying it is quicker
<knome> eh, might be
<knome> not is :)
<Erik_J> then Requesting a free cd?
<newz2000> well, requesting a free cd takes 10 weeks
<newz2000> if you're in a country with poor bandwidth that might be the same time to download it
<newz2000> but if you find a local vendor in your country who sells it you could have it the same day
<Erik_J> when someone is using Shipit, he needs a launchpad account. What are the exact reasons for that?
<newz2000> Well, I can't answer with 100% certainty, but here's how I understand it:
<newz2000> Launchpad is kind of our "user database" and it allows us to do all of our authentication and user related tasks in one place
<newz2000> So instead of creating a 2nd user database for shipit we just use launchpad
<newz2000> but you may want to ask in #launchpad to get the full answer (they manage shipit)
<Erik_J> hmm oke thank you
<newz2000> no prob
<Erik_J> I made a simple new prototype, but I'm not happy with it. Anyway you can see it here: http://xept.nl/dump/download.html
<Erik_J> it's missing the buy ubuntu option, there is no option to add the intrepid version, I think peaple should be more educated about wubi,
<newz2000> Erik_J: I think it's a great idea
<newz2000> I wonder if there should be a "help me decide" option that shows a summary of each version, or maybe a table listing a feature matrix with a column for server and a column for desktop
<Erik_J> The user should be able to learn about each versions very fast. I'm not sure what the best way is to do that
<Erik_J> a feature matrix might be a solution
<newz2000> Maybe the server image could show a small screen shot of a console interface to contrast it with the laptop's gui desktop
<newz2000> that should scare just about everyone away from downloading server
<newz2000> (which probably isn't a good idea either)
<Erik_J> well people who are uncertain should download the desktop version
<newz2000> true, so maybe a better solution would be to add visual emphasis to the desktop version, maybe making the icon and download buttons larger
<newz2000> it's an interesting challenge
<Erik_J> this prototype is not perfect aligned but the server and desktop block gets the same amount of space. We were thinking to give Desktop 2/3 and server 1/3 of the space
<Erik_J> of the width
<Erik_J> something like that
<newz2000> that would be interesting to see
<newz2000> * see tested
<Erik_J> wednesday we are going to test. We give the user the english google page (with ubuntu.com as first result) and ask them to download ubuntu and find out if they like it
<newz2000> I can't wait to hear how it goes. :-)
<Erik_J> I've spoken to a friend of my and he just finished hes marketing study. He told me that an important thing about promoting is to communicate the unique selling points of a product
<Erik_J> One selling point of ubuntu is "Virus and spyware free" and compiz
<Erik_J> I think thet should be added to the feature page
<newz2000> good suggestion
<Erik_J> almost everybody likes compiz and the visual effects.
<Erik_J> It is possible to add a flash video on ubuntu.com. Flash is closed etc.. that's probable a problem
<Erik_J> That might be a problem << better :P
<newz2000> yeah, we have a policy against flash on the main website
<newz2000> so no flash until Gnash is strong enough to deal with it
<Erik_J> I think people get more attracted when they see a video. So providing a video in theora/mpeg is possible?
<newz2000> possibly
<Erik_J> be right back
<newz2000> ok
<thorwil> Erik_J: it's not easy to offer a video everyone can watch easily. the usual "solution" is flash for a reason ;)
<newz2000> well, our feature tour will use javascript animation effects which should make it accessible to just about everyone
<newz2000> and provide a nice shiny interface that will probably be better than many flash videos
<Erik_J> and provide the same user exprience as flash? As far as I know that is only possible with the new HTML5 video element
<newz2000> it won't be the same user experience
<Erik_J> I hate flash and silverlight, it's all closed
<newz2000> but even in different flash moveis there really is no consistent experience. Nearly every one is diff.
<Erik_J> html5, svg, css and javascript are the right solutions
 * newz2000 waits for svg to be universally supported
<Erik_J> won't happen. MS want to push their silverlight garbage
<Erik_J> so they won't implement svg
<newz2000> yeah, too bad
<knome> anybody can suggest ~cheap headset for linux?
<newz2000> knome: this may not be the proper channel for that
<knome> i know
<knome> but i'm in a panic
<knome> and thought somebody might just know
<Erik_J> knome, you connect your headset to your soundcard. So every headset should work
<knome> Erik_J, seems that my sisters one doesn't
<Erik_J> strange'
<knome> they're *really* cheapo
<knome> like 4 eur
<Erik_J> where do you life in europa?
<knome> finland
<Erik_J> brr cold..
<knome> hah
<Erik_J> :P
<Erik_J> Hi qense, I read that it's not going so well with your wanted page.
<qense> It's a lack of interested people :)
<qense> I do advance slowly.
<qense> The only thing that really bugs me is that people promised to do things, but never showed up again.
<Erik_J> sounds familier
<newz2000> qense: don't let it frustrate you... be thankful for the little help and feedback you do get. Otherwise you'll get bitter.
<qense> Yeah, tacone already explained to me that you should expect to much responsed at the start of a project.
<qense> I don't really mind that
<nand> qense: okay, finally decided to give a try for UDS sponsorship. I'll discuss your idea there
<qense> that would be great!
<qense> I'm curious what will come out of the discussion
<nand> like some of the discussions, I guess a "let's do it" but little actually happening
<nand> but this will at least make the idea more well known
<qense> yeah
<newz2000> nand, qense: have you talked to the launchpad people about this idea? It seems like the two would logically mesh.
<qense> I considered that, but in the end I thought it would be better to create something Ubuntu specific to allow teams that have nothing to do with LP to post tasks too
<qense> I also don't really know how well LP recieves suggestions this big
<nand> newz2000: not yet. In fact, I don't know much people there. Problems are, there is quite a few constraints
<qense> It would also mean I can't help anymore since I'm not familiar with Python. ;)
<nand> e.g. the closed source part of the thing
<newz2000> yeah, both good points
<newz2000> maybe they'd hire you to add the feature. :-)
 * nand is already fighting to get a simple openID LP plugin for drupal...
<newz2000> nand: it's in testing
<nand> finally?
<newz2000> I've got the code
<qense> yay!
<newz2000> though I'm a bit bogged down at the moment
<nand> it's been like one year almost... finally!
<newz2000> I've been using it for months
<newz2000> but it's finally ready to go into a public place
<newz2000> I think the fridge will be the first
<newz2000> it has group membership integration so you can give users a drupal rule based on their group membership
<nand> cool! Hopefully it will hit the brainstorm second update in octover/november
<nand> that, will be useful for the moderators group
<qense> I'm really curious to that module
<newz2000> nand: the person you need to talk to is Joey Rinchen, aka rinchen
<newz2000> He'd probably let you test it
<newz2000> it's been approved for release as an open source project once it finishes quality control and security testing
<nand> thanks for the tip
<nand> newz2000: when do you expect that?
<newz2000> I can only guess, but I'd say shortly after Intrepid releases
<newz2000> though I know he's eager for more testers and a bit frustrated that I'm busy
<nand> cool, I'll volunteer
<knome> what are you talking about?
<newz2000> nand: do you work closely with heno? (Henrik)
<newz2000> knome: a plugin for drupal that allows it to authetnicate against launchpad
<knome> a-ha
<nand> newz2000: since brainstorm launched, we do not communicate much
<nand> Brainstorm started as a QA project, but is no really QA anymore ;)
<newz2000> nand: you may want to include him in your communication to make it sound more official. it might improve your chances.
<newz2000> Joey is joey.rinchen@canonical.com
<nand> testing right now on irc
<nand> :)
<nand> okay, seems we will get LP openid for devel.ideatorrent.org :)
<newz2000> oh, cool
<nand> he will get there a lot of testing :)
<newz2000> that's just what he wants
<nand> coming back to Wanted, my opinion is that this is the next logical step after Brainstorm : after gathering and assessing ideas, something is needed to make people meet and start working
<nand> would be nice if I could at least make some people interested to work on this...
<nand> hopefully
 * nand has now unfortunately started working, and does not have as much time as he would like too :(
<qense> oops, disconncted
<newz2000> wow, that was a fast reconnect
<qense> :)
<qense> I think that Wanted working together with Brainstorm would be really nice
<qense> anyway, this disconnection reminds me of the time, I have to go now!
<qense> see you!
<newz2000> see you
<nand> seeya
<newz2000> I'm so tired of testing openid modules and finding they don't work with launchpad properly because it uses openid 2
<nand> openid got a version 2?
<newz2000> yeah, it's got a couple realy nice features, like being able to grab some additional user info
<newz2000> and not needing to know your funny looking openid url
<nand> cool
 * nand wonders how he will handle the migration from drupal to openid ...
<newz2000> there is a person inside canonical who has dealt with this a bit...
 * newz2000 tries to remember who it is...
<newz2000> Stuart Metcalfe
<newz2000> we hired him to develop it as a contractor and later he joined the company full time
<newz2000> (he's the author of the drupal module)
<newz2000> he knows the guts of drupal well
<nand> he has done a migration from drupal to openid? cool!
<newz2000> well, I don't know how large a scale
<nand> eh, you know a lot of interesting people :)
<newz2000> www.linkedin.com/in/newz2000
<nand> do you have by any chance his mail and/or irc nick?
 * newz2000 looks
<newz2000> It's funny, I bought a book on web services recently and couldn't put it down
<newz2000> after I finished it I realized the author works with me at Canonical
<nand> eheh
<newz2000> I don't know his nick on freenode, he says it's "stuart" on his bio page in our directory but he's not online.
<newz2000> but his email is stuart.metcalfe@canonical.com
<newz2000> I don't know if he can or will help you with this, but he's the only one I know to ask
<nand> ok, I'll give a try and see, thanks a lot
<mdke> newz2000: hmm - weird. Anyway, that's the biggest bug fixed :) I think we can use the wiki theme by default now
<newz2000> ah, cool
<mdke> newz2000: did you see my suggestion on the list about implementing the offline startpage directly in firefox?
<newz2000> yes, I think it's the right thing to do
<newz2000> I'm not sure how quickly that can be done
<mdke> newz2000: I'm going to talk to asac about it. In theory, a very small customisation would be required, unless we want to do something flashy with ubuntu colours and such
<newz2000> ok, cool
<mdke> newz2000: so, asac was able to point me towards http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/locales/en-US/chrome/netError.dtd as the source for the page load error message; he seems to think it is doable to implement an offline startpage based on that which would be translatable. but he seemed a bit unwilling to say whether that could be implemented in time for intrepid without further details of what we'd envisage the page would look like
<newz2000> mdke: so there's no page, just a specification on how to create one?
<newz2000> Is there a way to link from a page in firefox (like this offline page) to the documentation in the help menu?
<mdke> newz2000: I would have thought so yeah. We could just customise one of those messages or add a new one
<newz2000> I was envisioning a helpful message that says, "you're not connected to the Internet" maybe with a graphic, and a link to instructions on how to get connected.
<mdke> yeah. I suspect that a link wouldn't be difficult to add
<mdke> i guess the next step would be some kind of mockup
<newz2000> so maybe just instructions, "Click System -> Help -> etc..."
<mdke> well, "Click here for instructions on connecting to the internet" would be better
<newz2000> yeah
<mdke> i'm sure that would be easy
<newz2000> what would the url look like?
<mdke> i don't know, it would be a launcher, I guess
<Volans> newz2000: try to open a non existent url
<Volans> you get a Address not found error message of Firefox
<Volans> graphically I think that this will be similar
<newz2000> no, I use opendns so I get their message
<newz2000> but I know what you mean, that's what I was thinking too
<mdke> click "Work Offline" then try and open any page
<Volans> yeah!
<mdke> that's the sort of message
<newz2000> I'm not familiar with the concept of a launcher in firefox, how does that work?
<Volans> I don't know if firefox handle yelp link, but surely this can be done
<mdke> newz2000: I don't know if it does, I was assuming :)
<Volans> see in Edit -> preferences
<Volans> applications tab
<Volans> I have added one that when clicking on RSS link import it on my feed agregator
<Volans> so is simple, I don't know how is simple to do this by default
<Volans> mdke: what is the URI of the Internet & Networking page for yelp?
<Volans> the one to use with `yelp file` command
<mdke> probably "ghelp:internet#connect" is the most appropriate
<Volans> I think is better "ghelp:internet" that have the complete menu
<Volans> newz2000: I think just add an entry in the about:config will be enough
<newz2000> Volans: I think mdke is talking to asac in #ubuntu-mozillateam about it
<Volans> yeah, I'm already there
<Volans> open your about:config
<Volans> and search for yelp
<Volans> firefox already handle yelp link as I see
<newz2000> not on mine
 * Volans asking asac for confirmation
<Volans> mmh I got some problem... if I made a link like yelp://URI firefox call yelp with the complete link as parameter and yelp got the error that the URI "yelp://URI" is not found...
<Volans> ok I have got it with a simple bash script, but probably there is a better solution
<Erik_J> time for some sleep, have a nice day..
<mdke> newz2000: assuming it can be done, i still think the next step is a mockup
<newz2000> ok, I'll work one up in inkscape
<newz2000> quick and dirty
<newz2000> I'll get it by this time tomorrow
<mdke> nice. thanks dude
<Volans> newz2000: not too complex... is a simple error page, as I have understand if we want some more complex asac think that the better way is through a "start page" rivisited
<newz2000> simple is good
 * mdke nods
 * Volans too
<mdke> really, a customisation with a link to yelp would be valid on any instance when the user can't connect, not just the startpage
<newz2000> so asac is willing to accept a config change to support this?
<mdke> he seems to be in principle
<newz2000> ok, let's move quick before he changes his mind
<newz2000> :-)
<mdke> :)
<Volans> just a question... when this message should be shown?
<Volans> see the messages at the mozilla page mdke have linked above
<Volans> every situation have it's own message
<Volans> if I have connection problems I always see the same message?
<mdke> well, we'd have to coordinate it with ubufox so that whenever ubufox detects no internet connection, it is shown
<Volans> mdke: I think this is managed by firefox internally
<mdke> yes, but from what asac said he seemed to think that customising it could be done in ubufox
<newz2000> I think ubufox is the container for all of the ubuntu comstomized settings
<mdke> although, this only applies if Ubuntu ships firefox for intrepid :p
<newz2000> I don't think that's in doubt for Intrepid
 * newz2000 could be wrong
<Volans> abrowser will be shipped in every case ;)
<mdke> newz2000: I guess we'll see soon
<Volans> newz2000: yesterday night there was a long discussion about the EULA problem in firefox
<Volans> in mozillateam chan ;)
<mdke> Mozilla are really pissing around
<mdke> damn lawyers
<newz2000> hah
<newz2000> they're not dumb enough to irritate the oss community right as safari/webkit is catching on and google releases a new browser
 * newz2000 hopes
<mdke> well, dumb lawyers can get anything wrong
<Volans> mdke: you have some news about it?
<mdke> Volans: nope
#ubuntu-website 2008-09-16
<Volans> newz2000: Hi, take a look at bug 270876 . Should we do anything about it? (how much is important IE6 rendering?)
<ubot3> Malone bug 270876 in ubuntu-website "page borders not rendered correctly on IE6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270876
<newz2000> Hi Volans. This bug doesn't bother me but the related bug reported about a week ago does.
<newz2000> blank screen in IE
<newz2000> so I plan to fix them both before intrepid releases by converting the ubuntu08 theme to a drupal theme
<Volans> oh, maybe I have missed the first bug
<newz2000> I don't know if it was reported as a bug, it was mentioned in here
<Volans> ok, in any case, good news to make a drupal theme
<qense> hello
<newz2000> hola!
<Volans> newz2000: I have made some tests for the help link
<newz2000> Volans: oh?
<Volans> firefox have already a gnome-help handler
<Volans> a link like <a href="ghelp:internet">test</a> will open the Internet page in the help menu
<Volans> I don' have tested *ubuntu yet, so I don't know if this solution can work also there
 * newz2000 tries
<newz2000> it works, though that's not the ideal page
<newz2000> that's a table of contents, better would be the "Connect to the Internet" page I think
<Volans> use ghelp:internet#connect instead
<newz2000> that worked
<newz2000> it pops up a box, "what program do you want to use to open this?" and lists only gnome help
<Volans> yes, I don't know if is possible from the package to avoid the popup
<Volans> and open directly the help
<Volans> by the way I see another problem... the offline pages in firefox are many
<Volans> so I think can be difficult to cover all teh possible cases
<newz2000> yes, true
<newz2000> but that's not our job, our job is to communicate clearly to the user that they are not online
<newz2000> help them if we can, but at least communicate clearly
<Erik_J> newz2000, why doesn't ubuntu.com support IE6 good?
<Erik_J> the layout is ugly and the menu is not working
<newz2000> Erik_J: it was deemed, "not too bad" when we reviewed it, but recent information has shown that it is actually bad.
<newz2000> Therefore it's my plan to migrate ubuntu.com to the same template shipit uses this month
<Erik_J> ubuntu.com is using django isn't it?
<newz2000> no, it uses drupal, though webapps.ubuntu.com uses django
<Erik_J> :/, I always confuse them
<newz2000> the original intention was for the webapps domain to be hidden and proxied through the ubuntu.com domain but it's gotten stalled
<Erik_J> but you have to make a new django template based on the shipit template
<Erik_J> ?
<newz2000> well, I'll have to make a template for drupal and django
<newz2000> it won't look drastically different than what we have now
<newz2000> it's the same template matthew east used for the help.ubuntu.com wiki
<Erik_J> but better in IE6
<newz2000> yes
<Erik_J> help.ubuntu.com is still using the old layout
<newz2000> yes but the community section is a wiki and matt has created a new theme for it
<Volans> sorry newz2000 I have to go now... see you later or tomorrow
<newz2000> ok
<newz2000> ttyl Volans
<Erik_J> today I did one simple test on ubuntu.com. Again I was suprised. The user thought that the "Download" and "Upgrade" in the header was one button.
<Erik_J> Meaning: download ubuntu upgrade
<newz2000> it's always interesting what people get stuck on
<Erik_J> he used the Get ubuntu link in the left menu
<Erik_J> a simple - before the words solves it I think
<newz2000> so that's why we put it there. :-)
<Erik_J> time for bed, almost midnight here. Have a nice day
<newz2000> have a nice night Erik_J
#ubuntu-website 2008-09-17
<qense> hello
#ubuntu-website 2008-09-18
<qense> hello
 * mdke prods newz2000 
<newz2000> hey mdke
<mdke> newz2000: do you think this search box thing is a blocker for the wiki theme? it's a definite pain in the behind
<newz2000> the way search words are obscured by the edit bar at the bottom?
<mdke> yeah
<newz2000> I don't know if it's a blocker, but it does need to be addressed
<mdke> mm
<newz2000> I wonder if we can use the translucent-until-hover trick to make it less noticable
<newz2000> set the opacity on the bar to something like 40% then when you hover set it to 100%
<newz2000> this can be done purely in css
<mdke> that would be clever, although I guess the text would conflict with the text in the editbar
<newz2000> possibly
<mdke> I'll try
<mdke> thanks
<newz2000> do you know how to do this?
<newz2000> if the editbar has an ID of editbar then the css rule would be #editbar { opacity: 0.4; } and then also #editbar:hover { opacity 1.0; }
<mdke> newz2000: no, I didn't - thanks :)
<knome> newz2000, if you need any help with the feature tour or any web relate issue, please pm me
<mdke> newz2000: no, it doesn't work too well. Maybe playing around with the colours will though
<knome> newz2000, i'll part from this channel, too much following @ irc
<Volans_away> mdke: have you tried to put the bottom bar only in the left and right, leaving the center without bar?
<Volans_away> can be a solution if not so bad graphically
<mdke> Volans_away: well, there is not much space for most resolutions to just use the edges, and the page width is fixed...
<Volans> right... and put it on the top is too invasive?
<mdke> I think so yeah
<Volans> latest two ideas...
<Volans> put it vertically on the left.... OR put only a small box at bottom left saying something like "Quick Links" and when onmouseover on the box show the complete tab
<mdke> ooh, something like the second solution might work. newz2000 ?
<knome> onmouseover is risky though :)
<newz2000> mdke: yeah, that would work
<newz2000> needs javascript to work well though
<newz2000> though a suckerfish style menu can be done with css only
<mdke> like an arrow in the bottom which would bring across the editbar
 * mdke googles "suckerfish"
<newz2000> son of suckerfish actually. :-)
<mdke> I see it
<mdke> that looks pretty promising
<mdke> I'll have a play around
<mdke> nice idea Volans
 * mdke bbl
<Volans> thanks :)
<Volans> but as newz2000 pointed before require javascript
<newz2000> suckerfish can work without js ok
<newz2000> on newer browsers
<newz2000> adding a little js makes it a bit smoother though
<mdke> well, javascript is well beyond me. But I'll give suckerfish a go and see what it looks like :D
<mdke> mmm http://mondaybynoon.com/examples/suckerfish_hoverlightbox_redux/
<newz2000> oooh, pretty
<mdke> gah, no luck with suckerfish for now
<mdke> I'll try again another day!
<mdke> good night all and thanks
<Volans> bye mdke
#ubuntu-website 2008-09-19
<Volans> script?cript?
<qense> hello
<newz2000> hey qense
<newz2000> Today is International talk like a pirate day
<qense> aargh
<newz2000> I wonder why Google calendar didn't notify me, usually it tells all the holidays.
<thorwil> newz2000: ahoy! did the crew decide on the countdown banner for ubuntu.com yet?
<newz2000> yes, I will be using the column 3 one for ubuntu.com's beta homepage banner
<newz2000> and it sounds like they like the final frame of the ibex
<thorwil> good :)
<thorwil> newz2000: now, don't you need a bit larger size with those rounded corners cut out?
<newz2000> I don't think so, I think I'm going to make that size fit in the beta banner
<thorwil> cool
<newz2000> but I think you sent me svgs didn't you? if so I can work it in I think.
<newz2000> oh, never mind
<thorwil> newz2000: yes, you have all the material. but please make sure to ask back if you have to edit it
<newz2000> that's silly I don't want to make 30 more images
<newz2000> ok
<newz2000> I'm going to try not to edit it
#ubuntu-website 2008-09-20
<qense> hello
<gregor> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/ is not browsable without javascript, could you fix it please.
<mdke> gregor: you'll need to contact the ubuntu-qa team about that, we don't maintain that website
<gregor> mdke, posted also at they channel ;)
<mdke> gregor: fine
#ubuntu-website 2008-09-21
<qense> hello
<thorwil> morning qense
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#ubuntu-website 2009-09-15
<flaccid> hey guys; just wondering if you could fill me on ubuntu's scaling infrastructure for drupal - what is used atm ?
<jpds> flaccid: Apache, Squid proxies I guess.
<flaccid> anyway to confirm that? there is just many possible ways to do it basically
<jpds> That's the fun of system building. :)
<flaccid> not when there is a limited development timeline and budget..
<flaccid> :)
<jpds> Copying someone else's infrastruture might not be the best way to go about doing it.
<jpds> (Different needs, etc).
<flaccid> but it also might be the best way. one can evaluate the solution to see if it doesn't fit
#ubuntu-website 2009-09-16
<newz2000> flaccid left w/out getting confirmation... it is indeed apache and squid.
#ubuntu-website 2009-09-17
<jpds> newz2000: ping.
<newz2000> hi jpds
<jpds> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_UFD/
<jpds> "Job Location: Your home (given appropriate facilities including broadband Internet) in an American or European *tome* zone"
<jpds> Sorry to bother you, yet again. :)
<newz2000> :-) I love when people help me fix probs like this.
<newz2000> Sometimes I think no one reads this stuff.
<newz2000> all better now. No more tome zones.
<jpds> I read them, interesting to see what's hiring.
<knome> newz2000, "Reports To: *Foudations* Team Manager"
<newz2000> oh, two typos in one sentence?
<newz2000> oh, that was diff sentence
<newz2000> it too is fixed
<knome> yup
<knome> newz2000, can you update http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/xubuntu also?
<newz2000> knome: yes, what needs changed?
<knome> almost all of it ;)
<knome> i need to prepare the stuff
<knome> there is for example our old logo ;)
<newz2000> yeah, get me an open office doc or a wiki page that I can copy and paste from
<newz2000> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Content is for creating pages that should go to the main website
<newz2000> so you can put it there if you want to do it collaboritively
<knome> i guess i'll just write a draft and approve it via our mailing list
#ubuntu-website 2009-09-18
<newz2000> One weekend left to work on coutndown banners
 * thorwil grumbles
<knome> newz2000, any idea on what design is used?
<newz2000> knome: design for what?
<knome> newz2000, countdown banners. i mean between slideshow/apng/... ?
<newz2000> Well, at the moment it looks like static png.
<newz2000> knome: No one has submitted graphics for review for an animation
<knome> newz2000, i did. :P
<knome> newz2000, should i upload that to the wiki as well
<newz2000> Oh, sorry, I thought you were just submitting that as an example
<newz2000> Yes, please do
<knome> an example yeah, but...
<knome> is there really something that needs to be reviewes in the artwork, as it's based on artwork somewhere else
<newz2000> Nah, I think I can describe what we're trying to do to the people who will be reviewing
<knome> :)
#ubuntu-website 2009-09-19
<thorwil> newz2000: signs of things to come: https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/countdown_09-10  good night!
#ubuntu-website 2010-09-20
<thorwil> newz2000: hi! someone here say he sees the countdown banners with differing numbers of days: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/ubuntu-countdown-10-10/#comment-3394
<newz2000> thorwil: yes, this is a problem with caching. I reported it on Friday and will do some follow-up today.
<newz2000> This is an unfortunate side-effect of our solution. :-/
<thorwil> newz2000: caching obviously, i just wondered if it's known and whether something can be done about it, so ok
<newz2000> I hope so
<newz2000> good, found the right person to prioritize that task. :-)
<newz2000> Our IS team is getting very responsive - they've done some hiring including a person just to delegate work and manage the task queue (and he's good)
<thorwil> nice to hear
#ubuntu-website 2010-09-21
<salgado> cjohnston, hi there.  do you have a couple minutes to help me setup a local instance of lp:summit?  I can't seem to get the autoscheduler to do its thing
<salgado> ok, apparently I was missing slots
<cjohnston> salgado: I haven't gotte that far.. If your doing autoscheduler stuff your beyond me
<salgado> cjohnston, heh, ok.  all I had to create was the summit and some rooms/slots, and then suck down everything from launchpad
<cjohnston> cool
<cjohnston> maybe ill ask you one day
<cjohnston> whatcha workin on?
<cjohnston> I got an LP thing for ya ;-)
<salgado> cjohnston, sure, what is it?
<cjohnston> lol.. blueprints need lots of love..
<salgado> I need to do some linaro-related changes on lp:summit
<cjohnston> I'm actually thinking about having a session on it at uds and trying to get some things done for the next cycle
<salgado> indeed, blueprints needs looooots of work
<cjohnston> My understanding is that resources wont be made available to fix them though
<salgado> cjohnston, sinzui will be happy to know about that.  talk to him if you end up scheduling the session
<cjohnston> ok
<cjohnston> Will he be here? (I'm in Orlando)
<salgado> there isn't anybody dedicated to that, but sinzui tends to work on his spare time
<salgado> I don't think he will, but there will probably be someone from his team (registry)
<cjohnston> gotcha
 * cjohnston wishes (and thinks it would be possible) that there could be a few people who spend a couple weeks to bring them up to par.. I think that's all thats needed
<cjohnston> salgado: I actually just started hacking on summit about two days ago
<salgado> heh
<salgado> and I started a couple hours ago
<cjohnston> ;-)
<cjohnston> I'm guessing you have more experience than I do
<salgado> although I'd seen the code before when estimating the amount of time it'd take to do these changes
<salgado> well, up to now I haven't done much; just trying to get a local instance where I can test my changes
#ubuntu-website 2010-09-22
<popey> Anyone notice this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2010-September/026566.html
<newz2000> popey: yes, I thought it was fixed as of yesterday, but I guess not. :-/
#ubuntu-website 2010-09-23
<newz2000> alas, countdown still not happy
<newz2000> anyone here good with cache control headers?
<cjohnston> newz2000: you saw the bug right?
<newz2000> cjohnston: no, I dont think so
<newz2000> but I've got numerous e-mails and pings on IRC
 * newz2000 looks
<cjohnston> bug 642860 newz2000
<ubot4> Launchpad bug 642860 in ubuntu-website "Countdown banner does not work. Server tells client to use cached version (affects: 7) (heat: 36)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642860
 * cjohnston needs to find himself a new website bug fixerer ;-)
<newz2000> ooh, nice bug report
<cjohnston> lol
<cjohnston> I marked high
<newz2000> nice, according to that bug report, it is a problem with the last-modified date header (which is what I suspected)
<newz2000> So in theory, simply doing a touch on the file when we chagne the link will fix the problem
 * newz2000 looks for that python cron script
<cjohnston> heh
<newz2000> ok, I pushed up a patch to the cron script and notified the sysadmins. Maybe we'll see an improvement.
<newz2000> duplicate bugs make me feel like a hero because I can with close three at once
#ubuntu-website 2010-09-24
<daker> newz2000, http://www.ubuntu.com/countdown/banner1.png gives 404 error
<newz2000> daker: working on it now
<newz2000> I wonder if this method is worth the difficulty or if we'd be better off again with the javascript
<newz2000> or maybe the python redirector from before
<daker> newz2000, oki
<MTecknology> newz2000: javacscript is so yesterday man
<newz2000> :-)
#ubuntu-website 2010-09-25
<daker> mhall119, light-base-theme is still using images from http://s.ubuntu.ru/
<cjohnston> newz2000: ping
<cjohnston> daker: I'll look at it
<daker> cjohnston, look in default.css
<cjohnston> k
<daker> line 136 137 & 138
<daker> cjohnston, for bug 644408 the header color is a background image
<ubot4> Launchpad bug 644408 in ubuntu-website (and 1 other project) "main nav color (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644408
<cjohnston> right
<cjohnston> i believe the image is the wrogn colog
<cjohnston> color
<daker> the background color has no effect since the background image is not transparent
<daker> cjohnston, ya
<cjohnston> can you fix that?
<daker> ya i can fix that
<cjohnston> if you will fix and create a merge
 * cjohnston is gonna eat dinner
<cjohnston> daker: whats the s.ubuntu.ru bug please?
<daker> cjohnston, bug 595621
<ubot4> Launchpad bug 595621 in ubuntu-website/light-wordpress-theme (and 3 other projects) "default.css points to images on http://s.ubuntu.ru, rather than local versions (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595621
<cjohnston> ty
<daker> it affects light-base-theme
<daker> also
<daker> cjohnston, light-base-theme has a bad html structure
<cjohnston> ok
<cjohnston> daker: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-website-community/ubuntu-website/light-base-theme can you verify all are fixed in that branch? im working on light-django-theme now
<daker> cjohnston, seems to bo ok
<daker> s/bo/be
<cjohnston> pushing django now
<daker> cjohnston, have you looked at the mockups ?
<cjohnston> im waiting for merge requests
<cjohnston> bug 595621 merge request for django is up
<ubot4> Launchpad bug 595621 in ubuntu-website/light-wordpress-theme (and 3 other projects) "default.css points to images on http://s.ubuntu.ru, rather than local versions (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595621
<daker> cjohnston, http://i.imgur.com/0hysD.png
<cjohnston> im not sure that follows the guidelines
<daker> cjohnston, can u detail ?
<cjohnston> the header areas and such
<cjohnston> if you want to make merge requests it can be discussed
<daker> ya that's what i want
<cjohnston> create a merge request and we can discuss it.. need code to look at and work with.. and not html page code
<daker> merge request for what ? light-base-theme ?
<cjohnston> against loco-directory since thats what its for
<daker> oki i'll try
<daker> cjohnston, working with other (dev) people is really hard
<cjohnston> dont know what to tell ya
<cjohnston> thats what we do
<daker> specially when trying to convince them about something
<daker> newz2000, the countdown doesn't work again http://www.ubuntu.com/countdown/banner1.png
<daker> cjohnston, i think i'll stop working on LD til i finished cloud.u.c
<cjohnston> he prolly wont be back till monday
<cjohnston> hmm.. never seen that before
<daker> cjohnston, cloud.u.c ?
<cjohnston> ya
<daker> cloud.u.c is moving to wordpress
<cjohnston> ic
 * newz2000 is here, got the message, reporting it, then going to bed
<Speed> Hi, I wanna report that the Ubuntu countdown banner isn't updated correctly
<Speed> here:http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
<Speed>  banner1 is broken, banner2 and banner3 are stuck on 18 days, banner4 is stuck on 17 days
<daker> Speed, ya it's a bug & newz2000 will be back on monday
<daker> so he will fix it
<Speed> okay, thanks !
<daker> np
<daker> cjohnston, https://code.launchpad.net/~adnane002/ubuntu-website/fixes-644408/+merge/36630
<Claudinux> hi all, i don't know if this is the right place, but here http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown the option 1 doesn't work, so, every site that use that can show it
<Claudinux> can you fix this or there is to open a bug on launchpad to do that?
<Claudinux> thanks in advance
<cjohnston> Claudinux: theres a bug open
<cjohnston> probably wont be till next week tho as its the weekend
<Claudinux> ok cjohnston thanks
<newz2000> I don't totally check out on the weekends, I just only respond to urgent things. :-)
 * newz2000 responds
<daker> newz2000, the countdown is bugging again
<newz2000> yeah, I see. I'm trying to get help with it and not having success. :-/
#ubuntu-website 2010-09-26
<l3on> There is a problem with countdown #1
<l3on> someone could take a quick look?
<daker> l3on, newz2000 will fix that
<l3on> ok
<cjohnston> l3on: its the weekend.. it prolly wont happen till monday
<newz2000> sadly, not a message was maid on the internal sysadmin channel since Frida afternoon except for my repeated attempts. :-/
 * newz2000 is not sure if this should be call to use the emergency support number
<cjohnston> hey newz2000
<cjohnston> who woke you up?
<newz2000> :-) I don't hibernate on the weekends
<cjohnston> you just disappear
<newz2000> nah, I just block IRC out or work would consume me
<cjohnston> lol
<newz2000> it's a serious problem when you like your job. It takes effort to not work too much.
<cjohnston> yup
<cjohnston> and i dont get paid for it :-/
<newz2000> yeah, you are hard working
<newz2000> thanks for all you do!
<cjohnston> ;-)
<cjohnston> anything for you
<cjohnston> :-P
<newz2000> The biz people who work in the office sometimes / often don't get how much of Ubuntu is not at all done by Canonical
<cjohnston> ya
<newz2000> Saying that,
<newz2000> I think I'm going to enjoy what may be the last nice-enough-for-shorts Sunday of the year
<newz2000> ;-) ttyl
<cjohnston> Its 90*
<cjohnston> cya
<nhandler> /80/80
<cjohnston> /90/90
<yjmbo> banner1.jpg on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown seems to be missing ...
<yjmbo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/648425 reported :-)
<ubot4> Launchpad bug 648425 in ubuntu-website "banner1.jpg from http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown is missing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
#ubuntu-website 2011-09-19
<james_w> going to do the summit update now
<james_w> done
<james_w> another issue with the url mapping: http://summit.linaro.org/uds-p/track/linaro-hackfest/?edit
<james_w> not caused by that update
<mhall119> james_w: it's the + sign
<mhall119> should be easy enough to add to the urlconf regex
<mhall119> is there a bug # for it?
<james_w> not yet
<james_w> I'm going to fix it right now
<james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/853991
<ubot4> Launchpad bug 853991 in summit "Plus sign in meeting name breaks url lookup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged]
<james_w> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/summit/fix-plus-in-meeting-name/+merge/76061
<mhall119> james_w: do you think we should go ahead and allow + in room and track as well?
<james_w> probably
<james_w> I can do a followup branch for that if you like
<james_w> assuming the models allow those chars
<james_w> mhall119, does your personal-ical change actually put private sessions in to the ical?
<james_w> I didn't see any code that would actually do that
<mhall119> james_w: it puts only your private sessions in the ical
<james_w> ah
<james_w> I'll go back and read the branch again :-)
<mhall119> that was why I had to add the show_private=True into the schedule constructor
<james_w> yeah
<james_w> I just didn't see anywhere passing that
<mhall119> it was....
<mhall119> james_w: line 254 of views.py
<james_w> thanks
<james_w> yeah, don't know how I missed that, sorry
<mhall119> np
<mhall119> james_w: will you let joey know that his top 3 bugs are now Fix Released
<james_w> yep
<james_w> just sent an email about it, and I'll poke him separately
<james_w> mhall119, also pushed another revision to support + elsewhere
<mhall119> james_w: tarmac had already landed the previous revision, so you'll need a new MP for r186
<james_w> ah, sorry, missed that you had reviewed
<james_w> thanks :-)
<james_w> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/summit/fix-plus-in-meeting-name/+merge/76071
<james_w> going to rollout that fix straightaway as it is blocking Linaro
<mhall119> james_w: can it wait 5 minutes?
<mhall119> or can we do another rollout in 5 minutes?
<mhall119> I have an emergency fix
<james_w> we can
<james_w> we can do a rollout after every revision now if we want :-)
<james_w> I've done mine already
<james_w> happy to do yours as soon as it lands
<mhall119> james_w: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/api-hide-secret-key/+merge/76073
<mhall119> if you can review, merge and deploy that, I'd appreciate it
<james_w> oops
<james_w> I'm assuming it works, because it certainly looks right
<mhall119> I tested it manually on my local box
<james_w> mhall119, tarmac doesn't seem to be merging it?
<james_w> I'll do it by hand
<james_w> ah, it's done now
<mhall119> tarmac runs ever 30 minutes, IIRC
<james_w> ah, ok
<james_w> deployed
<nigelb> Gimme a few days to create a URL to poke to start that.
<nigelb> I just haven't gotten around t it.
<mhall119> thanks james_w
<james_w> mhall119, we are the only two who have a secret key so far :-)
<james_w> should I delete them?
<mhall119> that'd be the right thing to do, yeah
<mhall119> it'll re-create them once we view the page again
<mhall119> different of course
<james_w> done
<mhall119> thanks
<james_w> Ran 100 tests in 1.088s
#ubuntu-website 2011-09-20
<cjohnston> mhall119: I assume no feedback on the apache setup?
<mhall119> nothing
<mhall119> ask nigelb in the morning, I asked IS to work with him on it
<cjohnston> ok
<cjohnston> ill probably try to push it tomorrow
<benonsoftware> Hi all
<cjohnston> nigelb: ping
<nigelb> cjohnston: ping
<nigelb> err
<nigelb> pong
<cjohnston> lol
<cjohnston> if I can push IS to work on cranberry today can you be around to assist?
<nigelb> What time?
<cjohnston> I'm going to ping them now.. No idea
<nigelb> I won't be available for another 2 hours.
<nigelb> I'm back to work today after a week of being sick. So, I have lots of catch up to do.
<cjohnston> ok
<daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-directory/fix.722224/+merge/76208
<cjohnston> daker: do you mind doing that in summit as well ;-)
<daker> ok
<cjohnston> in summit I believe its init-summit
 * nigelb approves
<cjohnston> nigelb: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/leads/revision/170 is creating an issue where track is importing attendee and attendee is importing track, which throws errors.. do you know how to do lead = models.ForeignKey('summit.schedule.models.attendeemodel.Attendee')   or something similar to that to make it work?
<nigelb> looks
<nigelb> cjohnston: do your import inside that model
<nigelb> just before you use it
<cjohnston> ok
<nigelb> (circular imports ftw)
<cjohnston> ya
<cjohnston> nigelb: james_w mhall119 http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-10-31/  click on the title of one of the sessions and you get a 404... is that new?
<james_w> yeah
<james_w> it crashed showing the first page before :-)
<james_w> I'll take a look at it
<cjohnston> thanks james_w
<cjohnston> nigelb: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19096/linaro-hackfest-tool%2Bocto-1/   <-- see the summary?
<cjohnston> ;-)
<mhall119> cjohnston: james_w: looks like the URL is being url-encoded
<cjohnston> I just confirmed, the summary is passed to the ical.. atleast the public one, which iirc is the one that guidebook uses
<james_w> it's supposed to be isn't it?
<nigelb> what's wrong with urlencoding?
<mhall119> no
<mhall119> url encoding is what you do to stuff you want to put *in* the URL
<mhall119> not something you do to the URL itself
<nigelb> ah.
<james_w> I'm not sure I see the distinction
<mhall119> you don't want to url-encode the : in http://
<mhall119> otherwise you get this: <a href="https%3A//blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro/%2Bspec/linaro-summits-tsc-1">
<nigelb> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<mhall119> which looks to the browser like a relative URL, because it doesn't follow the schema:// structure
<nigelb> Why are we using full URL there again?
<james_w> https%3A//blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro/%2Bspec/linaro-hackfest-tilt-1
<mhall119> so it sents a request back to Django with that appended to the end of the current page, which cases a 404
<nigelb> Err, nevermind.
<james_w> but %2Bspec is correct right?
<mhall119> yes, that's fine
<mhall119> anything after the domain can be urlencoded
<james_w> maybe we have to urlspit the blueprint URL, encode and put it back together again then?
<mhall119> why are we encoding?
<mhall119> why not just take the blueprint URL as it is in the database?
<james_w> because it will break then HTML if it has a & in it won't it?
<mhall119> not if it's being put into an href=""
<mhall119> like we do on line 771 of render.py
<cjohnston> can someone else codescan http://summit.ubuntu.com/mobile/   I'm getting a 404 off the current link
<nigelb> cjohnston: do we have a summit BP for UDS-P already?
<cjohnston> I created one.. it hasnt been approved afaik
<nigelb> and LD?
<cjohnston> no.. i havent created that one.. i will now
<mhall119> cjohnston: looks like we need a new qrcode
<cjohnston> ya
<cjohnston> mhall119: do you remember who it was that we did the guidebook stuff with
<mhall119> jorge
<cjohnston> no.. David someone IIRC
<cjohnston> I just subscribed nigelb james_w and mhall119 to the summit bp
<mhall119> Mandala
<cjohnston> for uds-p
<cjohnston> is he davidm mhall119 ?
<james_w> cjohnston, yes, that's him
<mhall119> yeah
<cjohnston> ok
<nigelb> the kubuntu guys are apparently planning on a qt based uds app.
<nigelb> If that's better than guidebook I'm going to LOL. :P
<daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/summit/fix.warnings/+merge/76213
<cjohnston> thanks daker
<mhall119> nigelb: that'd be cool, did you tell them we have an API now?
<nigelb> mhall119: Yeah. They were pissed because they wrote an ical parser by hand. I was amused :P
<mhall119> lol
<mhall119> why the heck did they do that?
<nigelb> They didn't know we had an API or talk to us.
<mhall119> did nobody stop to think that maybe an ical parser already existed?
<nigelb> Probably C
<mhall119> still
<nigelb> Wait, no. C++
<nigelb> They're mad
<mhall119> +1 to that
<cjohnston> oh well
<mhall119> nigelb: tell them to talk to us about it so we can help
<nigelb> I did.
<nigelb> So, one of their suggestions was about a map.
<nigelb> It should be easy to upload a png.
<nigelb> Anymore more is probably hard.
<nigelb> I'm trying to talk to jcastro/msm and find a map.
<cjohnston> We just need to get a map.. I don't know that I have one.
<cjohnston> jcastro isn't in charge this time around
<nigelb> Oh right.
<cjohnston> I can try to get ahold of Caribe as well.. I could swing by and pick one up
<nigelb> cjohnston: I'm thinking of a long-term solution. For all venues.
<nigelb> Last time they printed it on our ID cards, so if they can get us a png, it'd be cool!
<cjohnston> right... but someone has to supply us a map for us to have a map
<nigelb> cjohnston: I poked dholbach. he's UDS person this time.
<cjohnston> yup
<nigelb> Its not going to be neat though.
<nigelb> because things will not be permanent
<mhall119> nigelb: we can add a FileField to Summit to allow uploading map image files
<cjohnston> will someone go to work for me this afternoon
<mhall119> no
<nigelb> mhall119: Well, for fun. THe maps are pdf files.
<nigelb> We're going to have fun.
<mhall119> load it up in evince, take a screenshot, now it's a png
<nigelb> I'll do that for starters.
<nigelb> Then figure out the svg stuff :D
<knome> hey newz2000!
<mhall119> knome: he's at lunch, need something?
<knome> not anything special :)
<mhall119> too bad, special is all newz2000 has :)
<knome> heh
<knome> does any of you have access to the ubuntu servers btw?
<knome> we're about to set up xubuntu countdown banners, and we need the images and a small php script in our domain
<mhall119> not me, and probably not newz2000 either
<mhall119> try asking in #canonical-sysadmin perhaps?
<mhall119> ?
<newz2000> knome: there is a package for the code and past banners
 * newz2000 finds it
<newz2000> knome: lp:ubuntu-website/countdown
<knome> hmm
<knome> but that doesn't help us uploading the files to our server?
<newz2000> maybe I mis-understood
<knome> :)
<newz2000> we don't use php, we use a cron job that updates links
<knome> a-ha
<newz2000> (the script is in there)
<knome> i'll check that out later, thansk
<knome> *thanks
<knome> need to do something to my router which is playing games on me
<james_w> hey
<james_w> as you've seen, I've spoken with Charlie today
<james_w> they'll do the code updates in production in future, and can do them with a fast turnaround if needed given that it's a short process
<james_w> so we'll merge to production, then file an RT requesting a pull from production, etc.
<james_w> he says that cjohnston writes great deployment requests :-)
<james_w> I can help in getting changes made in a timely fashion when needed
<james_w> but obviously they have a lot to do, so not everything can get same-day turnaround
<knome> newz2000, sorry to get back to this again, but would the branch you linked me to help me somehow in getting the files uploaded to our server?
<knome> i have no objections to use cronjob instead of a php script, but i'd just need the files on xubuntu.org so we could start spreading the love
<knome> newz2000, i can provide you all the images for our banner, and will love you eternally if you can get it sorted out.
<knome> ;)
<newz2000> knome: are you wanting them hosted on ubuntu.com? I don't have any influence for kubuntu.org.
<knome> newz2000, xubuntu ;)
<knome> newz2000, ubuntu.com is fine by me, if you can make it happen.
<knome> newz2000, with xubuntu.org we must poke the IS anyway, so if there is an easy way to get the automaticized banners up in ubuntu.com...
<newz2000> knome: why don't you add your images to that branch and propose it for merging. Follow the same format.
<newz2000> actually
<newz2000> the only prob is that if you do that, we have to do it that way for ever.
<newz2000> (people will not take the iamgs down after the release)
<newz2000> knome: why don't you clone my branch, rip out the old images and replace it with yours, then ask IS if they can publish it to your site.
<knome> newz2000, yeah. maybe i'll do that. thanks :)
<knome> newz2000, is there an easy way to clone the countdown branch only?
<newz2000> if you already branched it then you're done.
<knome> i didn't
<newz2000> Then just edit it and push it somewhere else.
<knome> oh, hmm.
<knome> yeah, so i need to d/l it
<knome> i thought something directly from launchpad
<knome> that'd just clone it to under whatever i need
<newz2000> bzr branch lp:...
<knome> yup yeah
#ubuntu-website 2011-09-21
<cjohnston> mhall119: james_w nigelb... status.ubuntu.com continues to have issues where the script stops running due to the server running out of memory and then the lock file is not removed. I would think that this is not relevent to the apache setup?
<james_w> I don't know
<nigelb> cjohnston: Apache is what usually ends up eating the memory.
<nigelb> We haven't figured out why yet.
<james_w> I don't know why we don't get any error messages from the cron run
<cjohnston> I thought IS was saying it wasn't
<james_w> unless cron itself is what is getting killed
<cjohnston> james_w: I get some sort of messages at times saying it ran out of memory
<nigelb> I've not had IS tell me that Apache wasn't causing the problem.
<james_w> I don't see those ones I don't think
<james_w> just the lockfile ones
<james_w> well, ok, I haven't had one for a week
<james_w> but it's apparently died several times in that week
<cjohnston> ya
 * cjohnston has g2g.. bbl
<mhall119> james_w: do we have a patch for the url-encoded blueprint links yet?
<james_w> no
<james_w> I was hoping to get to it today
<mhall119> ok
<mhall119> cause we need to request a production deployment soon to fix the private ical bug
<james_w> mhall119, the one that breaks the link?
<james_w> yeah, we should fix that soon
<mhall119> the private ical bug is throwing an exception because of the change to Schedule.from_request wasn't applied to that view
<james_w> the url-encoding one should be easy, so I'll do that in a few minutes
<james_w> trying to figure out how some sessions got scheduled on Monday morning currently
<james_w> is there a way to see the admin log for all users, not just myself?
<mhall119> I think if you are superuser you can see all of it
<mhall119> but it won't show changes made outside of /admin/
<james_w> yeah
<james_w> it says "my actions" at the top though
<james_w> perhaps we should do something like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/987669/tying-in-to-django-admins-model-history
<james_w> or https://bitbucket.org/q/django-simple-history/src
<mhall119> there are several to choose from
<mhall119> including https://bitbucket.org/mhall119/django-audit/wiki/Home
<james_w> mhall119, are you running the autoscheduler on cranberry? either by hand or from cron?
<james_w> argh, it's enabled in cron
<james_w> I've disabled it again
<cjohnston> mhall119: http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/crew/add/   why is it only listing those few attendees? I guess we need to somehow define the summit to make it easier and only have a list of attendees that are attending the summit
<james_w> they are the ones tagged with "Willing to be crew" in their attendee record I guess
<cjohnston> According to Daniel there are a whole lot more who are willing to crew.
<cjohnston> james_w: that is the list of people who were at the last UDS and crewed.
<james_w> >>> Attendee.objects.filter(crew=True)
<james_w> [<Attendee: mike.basinger>, <Attendee: itnet7>, <Attendee: jwcampbell>, <Attendee: scottritchie>, <Attendee: joey>, <Attendee: jderose>, <Attendee: rrnwexec>, <Attendee: lyz>, <Attendee: nigelbabu>, <Attendee: bcurtiswx>, <Attendee: vish>, <Attendee: frmdrt>, <Attendee: rkite>]
<james_w> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/attendee/2499/
<james_w> the box needs to be checked on those records as appropriate
<cjohnston> nigel isnt even coming to this UDS, so I cant imagine he has willing to crew checked
<cjohnston> and everyone that Daniel picked he said had marked "Willing to Crew"
<cjohnston> plus, as I said, that's the exact list from last UDS
<cjohnston> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/attendee/2809/  nigels box isnt checked
<james_w> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/attendee/2226/
<james_w> it is for last UDS
<james_w> I didn't filter by summit at all
<cjohnston> there isnt a way to filter by summit.. they are just defined by days
<james_w> right
<cjohnston> So somehow it needs to know what summit its for, and then display a list of willing to crew for that summit
<james_w> but that list I just pasted is anyone who has ever had that box checked for any summit
<james_w> well, anyone who still has any box checked
<james_w> you are right
<james_w> but it also needs that box checking for some people for uds-p
<cjohnston> ok..
<cjohnston> i just checked another one
<cjohnston> why are they not remaining checked
<cjohnston> because you click willing to crew in the sponsorship application
<cjohnston> i guess because these are imported from
<cjohnston> LP
<cjohnston> as people actually attending
<cjohnston> vs sponsorship?
<cjohnston> So we need to check users marked as attending in LP against their sponsorship applications to see if they marked that they are willing to crew
<james_w> I'm not sure
<james_w> I've never looked at the sponsorship stuff
<cjohnston> nigelb: ^ ?
<cjohnston> Bug #855772
<ubot4> Launchpad bug 855772 in summit "Attendees list not marking attendees as willing to crew (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855772
<mhall119> james_w: why don't we want autoschedule running in cron right now?
<james_w> mhall119, it's annoying Stephen Doel
<james_w> he's trying to schedule a bunch of things at particular times, and it's throwing them all over the schedule complicating that
<mhall119> maybe we should make a new summit state, post-sponsorship but pre-scheduling
<james_w> and have the autoscheduler not act during that time?
<mhall119> yeah
<cjohnston> mhall119: Create a mutable item to where meetings in the past are muted   I think really needs to be done so that we dont have issues of stuff getting moved around after it happens
<mhall119> we fixed what was causing it, but we didn't actually provide a way to make sure it never happens
<mhall119> also, I think there was confusion
<mhall119> the opposite of immutable is not muted
<mhall119> personally I think that entire line can just go away
<cjohnston> Ok.. I do think that we need to provide a way to make sure it doesnt happen
<cjohnston> Do you think there is any way that email came from info obtained by summit?
<mhall119> cjohnston: I don't think so
<mhall119> cjohnston: have we even determined yet if it was legitimate or spam?
<mhall119> the UDS registration form uses tfaforms.com
<cjohnston> No idea...
<mhall119> I'm inclined to think they were legit
<james_w> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/summit/fix-overeager-escaping/+merge/76478 <- there's that fix
<cjohnston> mhall119: and i didnt get it.. but ive completed my forms
<cjohnston> mhall119: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+spec/subteam-calendar   thoughts?
<cjohnston> nigelb: ping
<mhall119> cjohnston: I'm not sure there's enough demand to warrant it
<mhall119> we'd have to make LD aware of subteams to begin with
<cjohnston> thats pretty much what my reply said
<mhall119> there may be a larger case to be made for making LD sub-team aware, in which case this request would be a more minor feature request on top of that
<cjohnston> ya.. im not about to offer that though
<mhall119> as it is, it should be a wishlist bug, not a blueprint
 * cjohnston says wont fix
<mhall119> I'm okay leaving it open as a wishlist item
<mhall119> I'm not opposed to the feature
<cjohnston> summit doesnt have a virtual env setup does it?
<mhall119> I'm just opposed to putting in the effort unless I see more of a need or want
<mhall119> you can make one, it has a requirements.txt
<cjohnston> thats why i say wontfix because as of right now i dont see enough need or want
<mhall119> I save wontfix for "over my dead body will this ever be implemented"
<mhall119> if someone submits a working patch to implement this, I'd accept it
<knome> i use "wontfix" when i want somebody else to do it
<knome> ;)
<cjohnston> ;-)
<cjohnston> it sucks that we are so far behind times with the version of django we use
<mhall119> you mean 1.2?
<cjohnston> yes
<cjohnston> if you run a current version of ubuntu, it becomes a pita
<mhall119> you mean like natty?
<cjohnston> like oneiric
<mhall119> oneiric isn't current
<cjohnston> it will be in a month
<cjohnston> so whats the difference
<mhall119> a month
<mhall119> also support
<cjohnston> make a make file for me for summit
<cjohnston> ;-)
#ubuntu-website 2011-09-22
<knome> has anyone EVER encountered a problem that the receiver doesn't see a part of a plaintext email?
<cjohnston> mhall119: i figured out how to do that lead = models.ForeignKey('Attendee')
<james_w> cjohnston, hey, so, linaro has two track leads for one of the tracks this time
<james_w> hope that doesn't conflict with your plans too much
<cjohnston> just need to add that to it
<cjohnston> I think that would go back to needing a leadmodel.py
<mhall119> yeah, we would
<cjohnston> thats what i was trying to do to start with
<mhall119> either thay or put one of the leads on some government watch list so they can't attend
<mhall119> whichever is easier
<cjohnston> hehe
<mhall119> ok, I'm off to do school work
<cjohnston> i work for the FD.. the second option would be easy
<james_w> heh
 * james_w makes a note to never get on the wrong side of you two
<cjohnston> hehe
<nigelb> cjohnston: pong
<nigelb> Sorry, was I way sort of burned out last night. Came home at 11 pm and went straight to bed.
<mhall119> james_w: can we prep a deployment of summit for IS today?
<james_w> yes
<james_w> I'd like that loosen-restriction branch to be part of it
<james_w> and can fix that pad url bug in a minute too if you would like that to be part of it?
<mhall119> that's be good, are there any other know bugs we can fix quickly?
<james_w> probably
<james_w> oh
<james_w> I should fix the regression too
<james_w> that's a bit trickier, but I can fix most of it pretty quickly
<mhall119> what regression?
<james_w> with the band-aid fix I took out
<mhall119> oh
<mhall119> ok
<james_w> it was fixing another bug
 * mhall119 hates bandaid fixes for exactly this reason
<james_w> get() finding multiple objects, when the guard is only for zero objects
<james_w> it only occurs if you schedule one meeting in multiple places though
<james_w> so it's not the end of the world if it doesn't get out today
<mhall119> james_w: is the need to allow linaro meetings in the same room just for hackfest, or for all linaro meetings?
<mhall119> if it's just hackfests, I'd rather make a new meeting type for "hackfest" and add it to the type_exceptions list
<mhall119> either that or add a flag to the Room object to allow adjacent meetings of the same track in that room
<mhall119> if either one of those solutions would suit your needs
<james_w> for all linaro meetings
<james_w> the Room one would likely work for us
<james_w> mhall119, a flag on room, or a flag on track?
<james_w> track more closely models what we want I think
<mhall119> I suppose that would make more sense, yeah
<mhall119> that'll make it easier to apply to only Linaro stuff and not UDS stuff
<james_w> yeah
<james_w> harder to work in to the admin UI though
<james_w> I'll work on that now
<mhall119> just make it part of the Track inline
<mhall119> it'll show on the Summit's admin page
<mhall119> that's what I did for the Track.color field
<james_w> yeah
<james_w> fighting with test isolation issues first though
<james_w> ah
<james_w> it's not a django TestCase
<james_w> pushed the change to add that to the model
<mhall119> james_w: test_check_schedule_errors_on_same_track_in_previous_slot defines a 'track2' but never uses it
<james_w> yeah
<james_w> it's just to check that it doesn't check that all the tracks match
<james_w> sorry, I mean it should use it
<james_w> I accidentally commited the commenting out I had done trying to debug that test isolation issue
<james_w> fix pushed for that
<james_w> and a branch pushed for the pad URLs
<mhall119> james_w: needs to be done for the other pad url function too
<mhall119> that was the one that would cause a 404
<james_w> oh
<james_w> missed that, sorry
<james_w> argh
<james_w> why have a bunch of tests started failing in all my branches
<james_w> I'm really hoping this isn't something to do with the time
<james_w> anyhow, I've pushed the change for the edit links, as I don't see how the pad changes would cause these failures, and it happens with or without them
<james_w> yeah, time-dependent tests
<james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/695356/ fixes it and seems like a good idea to me anyway
<mhall119> ah, good catch
#ubuntu-website 2011-09-23
<mhall119> I  wish lazr.restful had a face
<mhall119> so I could punch it
<mhall119> nigelb: ping
<james_w> mhall119, hi, know of any reason why I shouldn't prep and request a deployment now?
<james_w> I'd like to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/855810, but I want to get this done before I go on vacation in a few hours
<mhall119> james_w: a deployment would be great
<mhall119> I have no objections
<james_w> cool, thanks
<james_w> request incoming
<james_w> sending to the linaro rt so that I can prioritise
<james_w> oops, wrong subject
<nigelb> mhall119: pong
<mhall119> nigelb: just wanted to let you know that they changed the wsgi settings on summit to only re-use processes for so many requests before killing it and starting a new one
<mhall119> to hopefuly clear out any leaked memory
<nigelb> mhall119: Great, is that what was going wrong?
<nigelb> I remember dsowen telling us about this.
<mhall119> nigelb: we still don't know what was going on
<mhall119> but if it was a memory leak in our code (or libraries we used), that should prevent it
<nigelb> ok :)
#ubuntu-website 2012-09-17
<nigelb> cjohnston: You're not complaining anymore, so I guess tarmac is back to normal?
<daker> what do we have Dj 1.3.1 or 1.3.3 ?
<daker> cjohnston: ^
<cjohnston> daker: where
<daker> LTP server
<cjohnston> hahaha
<cjohnston> Django==1.1.2
<daker> we didn't migrate yet ?
<cjohnston> no
<cjohnston> I want to move summit to 1.4 tho
<cjohnston> I fear render may cause problems with 1.
<cjohnston> 1/4
<daker> cjohnston: what version are we going to upgrade to ?
<cjohnston> for LTP?
<cjohnston> i assume the newest 1.3.x
<cjohnston> only site, you get to dictate what you use
<daker> ok
#ubuntu-website 2012-09-19
<cjohnston> mhall119: need thoughts
<cjohnston> things have changed with the web team and they arent able to give more time any time soon to the scheduleeeeeee
<cjohnston> as much as I hate to, I say leave the schedule as is
<steveedwards> mhall119, cjohnston: Sorry guys. Our priorities have changed somewhat, and I'm conscious that you guys need to make a decision soon.
<steveedwards> mhall119: I was saying to cjohnston: we can either a) attempt to implement the prototype as stands, or b) wait until after UDS and implement a revised version.
<steveedwards> mhall119: Depends on whether the prototype as stands is a considerable improvement, or whether it's worth delaying until the next UDS so we can revise it some more.
<steveedwards> cjohnston, mhall119: Of course, someone can take what we've done and run with it...
<cjohnston> my opinion is if the prototype was more along the lines of the other proposal, it may be something we could work with more easily.. but as it stands, I'm not sure that it would be an improvement, unless we only implemented it for certain things
<steveedwards> cjohnston: Consistency is the key for me. One schedule to rule them all.
<cjohnston> ya
<steveedwards> cjohnston: Could we make it known that plans are afoot at UDS? Maybe show the prototype to some key people and gather opinion?
<steveedwards> cjohnston: Then at least folks know that we're on it.
<cjohnston> are you going to be there?
<steveedwards> cjohnston: Not this time.
<steveedwards> cjohnston: Peter will be though.
<steveedwards> cjohnston: If you need an official demo.
<cjohnston> outside of gathering UX feedback, I don't know how much help it would be, but I'm not qualified to do that ;-)
<steveedwards> cjohnston: ;)
<steveedwards> cjohnston: I know it's a hot topic. I just wondered if it would help if people knew we had been looking at it.
<cjohnston> i'm not even sure, outside of Rick, Jono, and maybe other managers who it would be useful to show to, unless gathering feedback for changes, in which case anyone may be good
<steveedwards> cjohnston: Let's say I did have some time to work on the schedules (which probably isn't true). When would be the last date for delivery?
<steveedwards> cjohnston: Like, weeks or days?
<cjohnston> well... /me leaves for a cruise on october 13... and wont be back until 2 days before he leaves for uds... so I'd say Oct 1 to give two weeks of fixes/tweaks/etc
<steveedwards> cjohnston: Right. Let me see if I can squeeze in the changes you requested this week. If I can't, or if I do but there's more you guys need, we'll postpone the integration until the next UDS. Does that work for you?
<cjohnston> sure
<steveedwards> cjohnston: I can't promise anything, but I'll try my best.
<cjohnston> ok.. thanks
<steveedwards> cjohnston: No problem.
<mhall119> thanks steveedwards
<cjohnston> look who woke up
<cjohnston> lol
<steveedwards> mhall119: No worries.
<steveedwards> mhall119: :)
<aaas> can you help me decide between: 1) serving 10 30k images 2) 15 database calls with user-side javascript image rendering?
#ubuntu-website 2012-09-20
<neunon> hi all. who owns uec-images.ubuntu.com content? an automatically generated JSON file we've been using for an internal tool has vanished.
<daker> neunon: send an email to rt@ubuntu.com
#ubuntu-website 2013-09-16
 * jose jose
#ubuntu-website 2013-09-17
<hkjh> how to make website that generates income? and which website is good to use.
<cjohnston> jose: bug #1226818 might be an easy one if you want to take a look
<ubottu> bug 1226818 in Summit "IRC Logs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226818
#ubuntu-website 2013-09-18
<daker> YoBoY: did you saw Zataz tweet ?
<YoBoY> no I haven't, but now I have
<YoBoY> it's related to the wiki on ubuntu.com ?
<daker> YoBoY: yes
<YoBoY> daker, so we can't help ^^ and the @ubuntu_fr is not a twitter id/account of the locoteam :D
<daker> YoBoY: ya that's why i replied, now IS is aware that
<daker> of*
#ubuntu-website 2013-09-19
<jose> hey daker, whic markup language is the loco portal using?
<daker> jose: i guess markdown
#ubuntu-website 2014-09-16
<PabloRubianes> jose: ping
<jose> PabloRubianes: pong
<PabloRubianes> jose: no estas en el canal del consjo
<PabloRubianes> :S
<jose> PabloRubianes: ah, nickserv
<PabloRubianes> jose: I made the SubLoCo policy post, want to check it so I publish it
<jose> PabloRubianes: sure!
#ubuntu-website 2014-09-19
<pombreda> Hola sounds like there is linking issue on package pages for copyright files: Take for insatnce http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libc6 the link there is a 404: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/e/eglibc/eglibc_2.19-0ubuntu6.3/libc6.copyright and should be http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/e/eglibc/eglibc_2.19-0ubuntu6.3/copyright  ... the same applies to all the package pages
<pombreda> I guess this was recently introduced based on the news bits at the bottom of: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ "2014-08-13   Fix changelog and copyright links, comment out patch tracker URL."
<pombreda> or may be should I report that instead on #ubuntu-packaging ?
#ubuntu-website 2016-09-19
<dholbach> mhall119, I can't remember the deployment process for community.u.c, but ant just pushed a fix for it - do you know what needs to be done there?
<dholbach> he also pushed a fix for dev.u.c
<dholbach> davidcalle, ^ how is this done nowadays?
<mhall119> dholbach: I believe it's a legacy wordpress site, so file an RT and someone in IS will pull the new code
<dholbach> antdillon, ^ that's for community.u.c - are you in touch with IS already or shall I drop them an email?
<antdillon> dholbach, I havent filed anythin, if you wouldnt mind that would be great
<dholbach> ok..
#ubuntu-website 2018-09-17
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#ubuntu-website 2018-09-18
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