phillijwjust installed 16.04 desktop and want to get visuals looking right. I see a lot of tearing. One monitor is on intel graphics and the other is radeon. Where do I start?00:01
phillijwwhe I google I get stuff from like... 5 years ago that is irrelevant now00:01
rosesi dont need to repost my question,correct?00:03
LiftLeftI'll ask in ##linux00:07
BillD73phillijw: I'd start by verifying I have the latest drivers from manufacturer, aka 3rd party.00:13
mads_Hi. Can anyone tell me a place in Ubuntu where I can trigger an event sound? Like deleting a file, ... Anyone?00:14
dman777what is the xenialxerus sournce list? I added add-apt-repository "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ -updates xenial-xerus universe multiverse" but doing a update it complained it was wrong00:17
naccdman777: huh?00:19
naccdman777: you were on 17.04, why are you doing xenial?00:19
dman777nacc: I thought I would upgrade to the latest LTS00:21
naccdman777: that would be a *downgrade*00:21
naccdman777: which is not supported00:21
naccdman777: you would need to reinstall if you want xenial (16.04)00:21
dman777nacc: ah...i see. thanks00:23
dedondestaguys how do i fix this? E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/mysql-server_5.7.20-0ubuntu0.17.04.1_all.deb  404  Not Fo00:24
dedondestaund [IP: 80]00:24
ZaliekDid you do apt update first?00:24
dedondestaZaliek: yes i tried00:25
phillijwI installed 16.04 last night to my main desktop machine. Did I make a mistake? Should I have done 17 instead?00:25
dedondestaZaliek: E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file.00:25
Mathisendedondesta, i can only see http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/mysql-server_5.7.20-0ubuntu0.17.10.1_all.deb00:25
Mathisendedondesta, there is non there for 17.0400:26
dedondestaMathisen: how do i fix this issue?00:26
hggdhphillijw: 16.04 will be supported for 5 years. Unless you are willng to upgrade to a new Ubuntu release every 6-to-9 months, 16.04 is perfect00:26
dedondestaMathisen: have i messed with repos ?00:26
dman777what would be the repo name for ArtfulAardvark? is it camel case or snake case?00:26
Mathisendedondesta, you cant look here http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/00:26
Mathisennothing there00:26
Mathisennot he one you want/need atleast00:26
phillijwhggdh: Do you have any recommendations for finding answers to my questions? Google is filled with crap from 8+ years ago. Have any suggestions for filtering out all the junk?00:27
hggdhdedondesta: 17.04 is no longer supported00:27
dedondestahggdh: what do i do?00:27
hggdhdedondesta: if you are running 17.04, you will need to upgrade to 17.1000:28
hggdhphillijw: no, you did not make a mistake. 16.04 is -- again -- a long term supported release00:29
dedondestahggdh: this is vps, is it possible to upgrade on virtual guest?00:29
Mathisenyes it is00:29
Mathisensudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade00:29
Mathisenreboot the vm then " sudo do-release-upgrade "00:30
phillijwI wish there was a "getting started" guide for things that everyone wants such as an experience without screen tearing. Basics like that would really help a lot. Is there a such a thing? I'm not seeing anything quite like that in the official docs00:30
ZaliekHaving screen tearing is not a normal problem to have on the desktop00:31
dedondestaMathisen: thank you, i'll try to upgrade00:31
ZaliekUsually because vsync is on00:32
phillijwZaliek: I've been trying to figure out how to turn off vsync for a few hours. Everything I'm reading is old or the file isn't in that one spot or.. etc00:32
Zaliekvsync is what prevents screen tearing00:32
batmenschHello, I'm trying to configure my Logitech Marble Mouse when running with Wayland and Ubuntu 17.10.  So far I've had no luck.  Works fine with xorg.00:33
naccdedondesta: 18/-4 os ep;00:33
phillijwon/off, whatever. I just want to change it to the opposite of what its at now. I'm not the one that disabled it00:33
ZaliekDo you get tearing if you're just using a single monitor after disconnecting the other?00:33
dedondestaMathisen: i can't do apt-get update00:33
dedondestaMathisen: gives me errors00:33
naccdedondesta: what errors? did you do `sudo apt-get update` ?00:33
dedondestaE: The repository 'http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release' does no longer have a Release file.00:33
phillijwso, funny thing... I have a radeon card + intel graphics. One monitor is plugged into one, the other into the other. I can unplug one to see00:33
dedondestaN: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.00:33
nacc!eolupgrade | dedondesta00:34
ubottudedondesta: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades00:34
vahederbatmensch: how are you trying to configure it now? xinput? or a config file for xorg?00:34
naccdedondesta: follow that guide, please.00:34
dedondestathank you, i'll try00:34
Zaliekphillijw, it could also be a problem where your monitors are using different refresh rates and it's confusing or turning off vsync00:34
naccdedondesta: and unless you are willing to upgrade very 9 months, let me suggest you only install / use the LTS release00:34
batmenschvaheder: I have the libinput file that worked under xorg on 17.04 (and still works now), and I was trying some xinput stuff I found on the web.00:35
phillijwZaliek: Possibly.. they're literally the exact same monitors though00:35
ZaliekOr it could be bad interactions between the two GPUs, or one is broken00:35
batmenschvaheder: does Wayland still use libinput?  Is there somewhere else for the libinput file?00:35
phillijwunplugging my radeon monitor just lagged my machine out. The letters I'm typing don't show up for several seconds00:35
vahederbatmensch: libinput and wayland interact differently. basically, the DE is now responsible for configuration. http://who-t.blogspot.com/2017/05/xinput-list-shows-xwayland-pointer.html00:36
ZaliekOn old hardware you probably need to reboot after messing with monitors00:36
batmenschvaheder:  I'm sorry, DE?00:36
naccbatmensch: desktop environment00:36
phillijwi'll be right back then00:37
batmenschvaheder: oh, got it. sorry, missed your link in the noise ;)00:37
batmenschvaheder: ok, that should help, thanks00:37
vahederbatmensch: Desktop Enviornment. I was trying to get tap lock turned off under Gnome with Wayland, and I was able to change a gnome configuration key in dconf to get it to work, because their configuration interface didn't yet support it00:37
batmenschvaheder: well, that's not ... intimidating.  Yeesh. gsettings?00:38
vahederbatmensch: yeah00:39
vahederbatmensch: thankfully the key was defined there00:39
vahederbatmensch: what are you trying to configure?00:39
vahederbatmensch: there's also the possibility you might find what you need in gnome tweaks, if you haven't looked there already00:39
batmenschvaheder: i'm trying to get scrolling working with the track ball.00:40
dman777nacc: I ended up using do-release-upgrade which is far easier than what the link on the topic gives. Why didn't the link just recommend using do-release-upgrade?00:40
batmenschvaheder: the expected behavior is that I can hold down the 2nd mouse button and then move the trackball to scroll the screen.00:41
batmenschvaheder: current, hitting that button sends me to the previous page in Chrome.  Not fun.00:41
batmenschvaheder: I think I have to turn on emulate 3 buttons and switch button 2 with button 800:42
naccdman777: uh, it does?00:42
naccdman777: without trying to be offensive, did you carefully read the page?00:42
naccdman777: it tells you to 1) change your sources.list; update your OS to be fully up to date with old-releases; then do-release-upgrade00:42
naccsorry, taht should have been 1); 2); then 3)00:43
vahederbatmensch: not sure about remapping, but this might help: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/7lkpun/configure_mouse_buttons_in_wayland/00:43
dman777nacc: what I read was to do apt-get dist-upgrade and so on00:43
naccdman777: right00:43
naccread the next line.00:43
naccdman777: based upon our interaction so far, I really can't tell if you're simply ignoring my advice, tbh00:44
dman777nacc: but with this other guide I didn't have to update sources list or apt-get dist-upgrade00:44
batmenschvaheder: thanks, I'll look into that.  Damn, every release its something else.00:44
naccdman777: the upgrade coudl have failed then00:44
vahederbatmensch: this is a big change, but I know how you feel :p00:45
dman777nacc: it's still running ... no failures yet00:45
naccdman777: i said *could*00:45
hggdhwell, still *can*00:45
naccdman777: again, the guide is giving you steps that try to work in all cases00:45
naccdman777: if you choose to skip, ignore or otherwise do something else, well, sure that might work00:45
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Guest96851Does anyone know how I can adjust my touchpad sensitivity? Synaptics touchpad on Ubuntu 16.0400:49
phillijwok so this is weird... I unplug my radeon monitor and my machine is slow as hell, even after a reboot. I plug it back in and everything goes back to normal (still have tearing tho)00:49
dedondestanacc: this page looks outdated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades is it still applicable?00:49
naccdedondesta: for what?00:50
vahederGuest96851: these links might help - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/touchpad_pressure.html#touchpad_pressure_hwdb00:50
Guest96851Does anyone know how I can adjust my touchpad sensitivity? Synaptics touchpad on Ubuntu 16.0400:50
naccdedondesta: if you are doing an eol upgrade, yes it is00:50
dedondestanacc: for 17.04 to 17.1000:50
naccdedondesta: yes00:50
dedondestanacc:  aptitude: command not found00:54
dedondestanacc: and i can't install it00:54
naccdedondesta: i don't know why it tells you to use aptitude, just use apt-get00:55
dedondestanacc: so i just add universe multiverse ?00:55
naccdedondesta: what?00:55
dedondestato sources and thats it?00:55
naccdedondesta: no00:55
naccdedondesta: you are changing the archive00:55
naccdedondesta: yes, read what is there now and compare to what the wiki page says00:56
nacctotally different URLs00:56
dedondestahttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades i'm reading from upgrading00:56
naccdedondesta: yes, the very first block is "udpate sources.list"00:56
naccdedondesta: compare the entry there to what is your file00:56
naccit will be different00:56
dman777nacc: the upgrade worked. It's near impossible to update a srouce list. Not sure why that is on the  link when I didn't have to00:56
naccdman777: i have already explained why00:57
naccdman777: and it's not impossible00:57
naccdman777: also, as i said, if you're not willing to do this, don't run non-lts00:57
naccdman777: as keep in mind you need to do this again in about 6 months00:57
naccdman777: (well not exactly this, but upgrading)00:57
dedondestanacc: may i ask you to look at my sources.list?00:57
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dman777nacc: ah...ok. good to know. thanks00:57
naccdedondesta: if you want to, but honestly, just make it match what the wiki says00:58
dedondestanacc: https://pastebin.com/n8k1tvvu00:59
naccdedondesta: ok, so you're going to comment out everything that is not allready in that file00:59
naccdedondesta: and insert lines that match the wiki00:59
naccdedondesta: with zesty for CODENAME00:59
Guest96851Does anyone know how I can adjust my touchpad sensitivity? Synaptics touchpad on Ubuntu 16.0401:00
phillijwthere is a "Mouse & Touchpad" settings option. Just go in there01:01
dedondestanacc: so i comment out everything and only leave 3 lines from the wiki?01:04
naccdedondesta: yes, the end result is the only uncommented lines should be the ones from the wiki01:05
dedondestanacc: thank you, what are backports for, do i need them?01:07
dedondestanacc: nm, i'll google01:09
dedondestanacc: thank you01:09
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naccdedondesta: yw01:11
phillijwI'm trying to follow this but the xorg folder doesn't even exist. https://askubuntu.com/questions/921755/screen-tearing-with-intel-graphics01:11
nacc!backports | dedondesta01:11
ubottudedondesta: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging01:11
naccdedondesta: basically, you want the *exact* same sources.list you have now, except using old-releases instead of whatever mirror you have now01:11
naccdedondesta: because that's the only place the packages still exist01:12
Guest96851Phillij there are no Mouse and Touchpad settings for Sensitivity. They are only for Pointer Speed01:14
Guest96851I need to adjust the touchpad sensitivity, not the Pointer Speed. My question was clear.01:15
vahederphillijw: you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d? you can create it and X will read the config files in there in addition to the ones in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d (and one or two other places, I think)01:15
phillijwGuest96851: Sounds like the issue is that your touchpad settings aren't showing up which is a different question than you asked01:17
pankajI want image to be displayed in my terminal window. How to do that?01:18
Guest96851You are just trying to worm out of the fact that you gave me terrible advice, pal.01:18
KrisWoodHi everyone. I've got an Ubuntu Server 17.04 machine and I've decided I want to VNC into it after all but I'm having a hell of a time trying to get a VNC server up and running. I've tried tutorials online for vnc4server and tightvnc but neither seems to have worked. Could someone please recommend the easiest VNC server to get up and running and a tutorial for how to do it?01:19
Guest96851Don't listen to him folks, he's using Google for his replies.01:19
Guest96851Any actual Ubuntu experts on here?01:19
phillijwGuest96851: I think I found the answer on google. You'll find it eventually01:22
electricmilkWhat's wrong with using Google01:23
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dedondestaMathisen:  sudo do-release-upgrade  comand not found01:33
Guest96851Because there's a lot of old and bad advice on Google01:36
phillijwGuest96851: did you already try this old, bad advice? https://askubuntu.com/questions/778716/how-to-alter-touchpad-settings-on-ubuntu-gnome-16-0401:37
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xs2is this a known issue?01:54
xs2dpkg: error processing package oracle-java9-installer (--configure):01:54
xs2for three days already01:54
Bashing-omxs2: QIII says : " Andrei is a one-man-show now. He will get it updated, but he's probably up to his armpits in alligators.02:04
phillijwso I was screwing around with my xorg files and now I can't get on my computer at all. It won't boot into anything. Any idea how to fix this?02:08
phillijwit first asks me for my encryption password (for the hd) and then tries to load up and... crashes02:08
kenrinswitch to another tty and fix xorg02:11
KrisWoodhow do you install a desktop on ubuntu server 17.04?02:13
daisanybody on that can help me out?02:13
BillD73dais: ask the question if some1 can help they will02:14
kenrinKrisWood: You use apt the same way as any other software you want to install02:14
phillijwI can't switch to another tty02:14
kenrinFor example "sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop" for unity02:15
daismy computer will only boot on recovery mode02:15
kenrinphillijw: Did you mess with more than xorg?  You should be able to ctrl+alt+f102:15
BillD73dais: ok did you run an update in recovery mode02:15
phillijwkenrin: nope02:15
kenrinIf you can't do that then run recovery mode02:15
phillijwI think I was able to get into recovery mode on the 4th try02:16
daisbillD73 yes i have02:16
KrisWoodkenrin, I was trying to get xfce4 working but didn't have any luck with it. I'll give ubuntu-desktop a try02:16
kenrinxfce is just "xubuntu-desktop"02:16
KrisWoodkenrin, I tried that but it complained about not having $DISPLAY or somesuch02:17
phillijwso all I did was add an "Intel Graphics" section to my xorg.... not sure how this is crashing things.02:17
phillijwthis is so broken lol.. even safeboot is wigging out02:18
KrisWoodFailed to init libxconf: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11.02:18
phillijwjesus this is garbage. I have to unplug my machinet o restart it because its that frozen. Even though cursor is blinking02:20
kenrinSounds like you are trying to do this over ssh and don't have x forwarding enabled02:20
* phillijw deletes the xorg file02:20
KrisWoodkenrin, that is exactly what it sounds like. do I have to go down to the basement and start x? XD02:21
anthonysalamancahey, where should i go to get help with my computer? me and a bud (both cs students) just spent two hours trying to unfuck it02:21
kenrinIt would be easier than installing an x11 client and messing with configs ;P02:21
phillijwanthonysalamanca: yeah, I mean, this would be the place...02:21
daisi get a message "fb: switching to amdgpudrmfb from EFI VGA" i'm not sure what this means or how to fix it02:22
phillijwcan anyone help me set up this xorg file without completely jacking up my machine this time?02:22
anthonysalamancaalright, so, fresh install of ubuntu, and it's bootlooping after the lenovo splash screen. slightly lit black screen to full black screen, only to go back to boot device selection.02:23
anthonysalamancamind you i've formatted the entire drive multiple times02:23
BillD73dais: likely your onboard vga adapter didnt detect a monitor but found a amd video adaptor  with a monitor... just a thought you have 2 video adaptors vga and hdmi possibly?02:24
positiveturningevening'. can anyone help me troubleshoot a wireless adapter issue?02:26
Bashing-omanthonysalamanca: nvidia graphic's card ?02:26
daisBillD73 yes, i do see 1 hdmi connections and 1 vga connections02:27
anthonysalamancaBashing-om: yessir02:27
Bashing-om!nomodeset | anthonysalamanca Try this and advise :02:28
ubottuanthonysalamanca Try this and advise :: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter02:28
GudduIs there a way to list all files with the ^M Characters using grep?02:28
orizzleI am trying to compile a kernel module for a precompiled kernel but get " nfs: version magic ' SMP preempt mod_unload 586 ' should be ' SMP preempt mod_unload 586 REGPARM ' " - is there a way to add "REGPARM" on the end of my module version magic?02:29
BillD73dais: so whats the issue?02:34
KrisWoodkenrin, I'm unstuck now, thanks!02:37
daisBillD73: i don't know how to fix it so that it doesnt show that message and it boots normally02:38
BillD73dais:  sorry i forgot  your only booting in recovery mode...02:38
BillD73dais: when it happens to me. I get into recovery mode.  terminal sudo update-grub       sudo apt update    reboot an usually I'm in good shape  also  if you have more then 1 image, have youtried one of those as well?02:44
KrisWoodkenrin, I have VNC on my ubuntu server, thank you!!!02:45
KrisWoodNow to get virtualbox running....02:45
daisBillD73: I've tried it and it still doesn't boot completely. It just gets stuck on the same message02:46
phillijwif I have intel and radeon cards, do I have to include both in my xorg file?02:47
BillD73ok so In recovery mode  have you tried updating the video drivers to the 3rd party?02:47
BillD73dais: ^^02:47
daisBillD73: how do i do that?02:47
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BillD73dais: guess that would depend on the scenario lol  nvidia card since its saying amd...?02:50
Alpha-OmegaHey guys, Just recently whenever I start any of the Virtual Machines in Virtualbox, it causes my whole computer to crash. I assume it's a kernel panic, because not even REISUB allows it to reboot, and I need to powercycle manually.02:50
Alpha-OmegaI haven't changed anything on my machine besides adding a swap partition.02:50
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Alpha-OmegaAre there any logs I can provide to troubleshoot?02:51
daisI'm not sure what i have but it says AMD02:51
Alpha-OmegaI'm on 16.04.3, fully updated.02:51
phillijwi.. i.. i just want this damn tearing to go away. Why does this have to be overly complicated?02:57
daisBillD73: When I go to "additional drivers" it says "Uknown: Uknown This device is using an alternative driver" the option "Using Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs from amd64-microcode02:58
BillD73dais: ok so lets try this first    sudo update-pciids02:59
lwizardlkis there a way to enable wifi direct in ubuntu/xubuntu?03:00
BillD73dais: then run this       lspci | grep VGA03:00
daisBillD73: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R4/R5 Graphics] (rev 05)03:01
ZythyrI isntalled Ubuntu Server which included LAMP server. LAMP comes with Apache, but if I install Ngix, will this conflict?03:02
BillD73dais: so   its an ATI radeon AMD powered chipset03:03
BillD73dais:  tried this yet?    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjqxeqxhePYAhUCWa0KHTn5DewQFggpMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FVideoDriverHowto&usg=AOvVaw1R891Uuj3MvDS5B4b1LDGD03:04
BillD73oops  gues s I could wnt to askubuntu first lol03:05
BillD73woulda made a nicer url lol03:05
rumflumpis this normal? "The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file."03:10
Bashing-om!zesty | rumflump03:11
ubotturumflump: Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and !eolupgrade03:11
rumflump!eolupgrade | thanks03:11
ubottuthanks: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades03:11
daisBillD73: no i haven't let me try it now and i'll be back with an update03:12
BillD73dais: ok03:12
bilmI have a vi(ex) question03:20
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience03:27
hggdhbilm: just go ahead and ask your question. If someone in here knows about it, they will answer03:30
koolkalanghello everyrone - when I'm on my intel graphics card, I can only get on wayland, but my other desktops fail (i3, xubuntu, ubuntu on xorg)03:35
koolkalangand when I'm on my nvidia card, I can go to everything, but ubuntu default w/ wayland doesn't even show up03:36
Bashing-omkoolkalang: Currently, wayland has no nvidia proprietary driver support .03:39
koolkalangBashing-om: I guess that explains it not showing up when the nvidia card is used03:39
koolkalangBashing-om: but I'm not sure why the other desktops fail on intel03:40
koolkalangI can get on the greeter/gdm, but the screen freezes right when I login into any one of them on intel03:40
Bashing-omkoolkalang: for wayland it is the nouveau driver in the nvidia environment .03:40
Bashing-omkoolkalang: Might take a look at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file . See if it is sane .03:42
Bashing-omkoolkalang: Looks to me as if the nvidia proprietary driver is installed . ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' to confirm .03:48
HappyHotDogIs there any way to move the indicator icons on the top panel in 16.04?03:49
HappyHotDogI've found a couple of resources on ubuntu forums but they're all for older distros and don't seem to work03:50
koolkalangBashing-om: yeah the proprietary drivers are installed, I did switch it03:52
koolkalangI guess I'm fine with nvidia not seeing wayland, more concerned with the intel card03:53
Bashing-omkoolkalang: revert to nouveau, maybe then Intel will be happy .04:00
koolkalangBashing-om: will do04:00
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koolkalangjust for ref I think it's this bug:04:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1637733 in Ubuntu "freeze on login with prime-select intel" [Undecided,Confirmed]04:00
Bashing-omkoolkalang: Well, only a maybe . prime-select is for the nouvea driver - iirc .04:02
ZombieError: Connection activation failed: Connection 'Ethernet connection Main' is not available on the device enp0s3 at this time.04:08
ZombieIssues with Network Manager04:08
daisBillD73: it didn’t work. When I input the first command “cd usr/share/ati” it says no such file or directory04:12
rumflumpon 17.04, when I attempt to dist-upgrade, it only updates my software04:13
rumflumpnvm, it's supposed to be do-release-upgrade04:14
koolkalangSo, installing nouveau drivers makes prime-select not really useful04:20
koolkalangit overrides both options as mesa lol04:21
koolkalangand xubuntu loads fine, but i3 just crawls and barely works with nouveau04:22
semitoneshey everyone. how do you close a byobu window when you're done with it (not close the whole session)04:33
Svetactrl+a, d04:33
Sveta(assuming it's using the same shortcuts as gnu screen)04:33
semitonesSveta: unfortunately ctrl a,d closes the whole ssh session04:35
osirus126Just use ctrl+d04:35
semitonesI just want to close one of the windows I opened with f204:35
semitonesi'll try just ctrl d04:35
osirus126Ctrl+a d detatches but leaves open04:35
semitonesyeah just ctrl d works! Thanks04:35
osirus126The exit command works also04:36
joegiampaoliAnyone having problems with the QT interface in latest VirtualBox version in Ubuntu 16.04? It looks terrible, any tips? I already tried adjusting my QT appearance preferences...04:37
Svetasemitones: yeah sorry, I misread, thought you meant detaching the whole thing04:38
Svetajoegiampaoli, perhaps uploading a screenshot somewhere could help others to identify the problem05:00
johni am a new ubuntu budgie05:05
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Svetahi john (Guest68562)05:08
aleph-TAhey, can anyone help me figure out how to get ubuntu to output to my nvidia gpu instead of the amd gpu when it boots?05:10
HamRadioHey guys05:18
HamRadioI got a question, i want to install Ubuntu on my main desktop, so how wise would it be to install Ubuntu 17.10 and upgrade to 18.04, or should I just wait for 18.0405:19
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aleph-TAthat's probably fine, shouldn't be any problems upgrading. only issues with installing 17.10 would be if some SW you need is only for 16.0405:20
HamRadioThanks, you think there is gonna be software available for 16.04 that isn't for 17.10?05:22
aleph-TAamdgpu-pro for one05:23
HamRadioHmmm, well all i have is intel and Nvidia05:24
aleph-TAthe nvidia closed source should support 17.10, if not the most recent ones, then the ones that are in the default repos05:25
HamRadioOk, cool. Thanks05:26
HamRadioAny other thoughts05:26
yetooDoes anyone else boot into initramfs with an error that the set UUID coul not be boot from in the 4.13.0-17-generic kernel?05:31
yetooThe 4.10.0-19 kernel works fine though05:33
yetooThe recovery for 4.13 doesn't work05:33
lotuspsychjeyetoo: wich ubuntu version are you on?05:33
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lotuspsychjeyetoo: lsb_release -a05:38
NoBootHi. I've finally got around to cleaning out my "no space available," boot folder, and the autoremove --purge command I used purged a ton of stuff. I'm currently updating my boot image and whatnot, but would like to know if there's some way I can check if the computer will actually boot, should I restart it (without restarting it).05:41
lotuspsychjeNoBoot: why would you not test boot?05:43
NoBootAs in restart the machine? I don't want to risk it not restarting properly or at all. Forgive me - I'm not super skilled or knowledgeable with/about ubuntu.05:45
apb1963aleph-TA, Skip down towards the bottom to post #14 https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?301193-Force-kernel-to-use-a-specific-video-card-output-as-primary  Give it a try, let us know if it works or not.05:46
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lotuspsychjeNoBoot: rebooting a computer is not so dangerous05:47
aleph-TAalright, thanks. first i'll need to fix no console on amd now that i set nvidia kms in grub05:47
lotuspsychje!recovery | NoBoot if things go wrong05:47
ubottuNoBoot if things go wrong: If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode05:47
NoBootOh. And here I thought I'd banjax it/obliterate my saturday night by screwing up. I'll read that wiki page, and see if it answers my concerns.05:48
NoBootThanks. If you never hear from me again I guess it means things went well.05:50
NuttyNuttersonCan someone hep me out with installing this package? https://pastebin.com/kYBfzkZu05:50
apb1963NoBoot, Make sure you have a working LiveCD... that way if you can't boot... you can boot the CD, connect to the Net and work on your system.05:50
oerheksNuttyNutterson, nobody can, zesty is EOL, dead, upgrade to 17.10 please05:52
aleph-TANuttyNutterson: Seems the repo it's pulling from doesn't have that package anymore, it only has -4 instead of -1 now05:53
lotuspsychjeNuttyNutterson: and external ppa's we dont support neither05:53
ubottuUbuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and !eolupgrade05:53
apb1963Hmmm... if 17.10 is EOL... what replaces it?05:54
apb1963oh.. 17.1005:54
oerheksapb1963, 18.04 lts05:54
apb1963oerheks, really?  When? Now?  Topic doesn't mention it.05:54
yetoolotuspsychje It's Ubuntu 18.0405:55
oerheks18.04 has its own support channel, until release > #ubuntu+105:55
baba_can anyone offer insights on the western digital head parking problem?05:55
oerheksbaba_, they guys in ##hardware can05:56
apb19633 months05:57
baba_thanks....the reason I asked here was I first came across it in ubuntu and different distros seem to act differently on this05:57
aleph-TAapb1963: should i just be able to pass video=card# to grub?05:59
NuttyNuttersonWhen trying to upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10 I get this https://pastebin.com/zFEFfHK106:01
apb1963aleph-TA, *shrug*  I only know what it says, and really not even that.  It's a googleball :)06:01
aleph-TAman, this is such a pita. amd output and nvidia for compute worked without me doing anything06:02
oerheksNuttyNutterson, hit the update tool, and select 'newer version is available', that command just updates 17.04, not a distro upgrade06:03
apb1963Random tip of the day: "hwinfo --wlan" gives all the info you could want on your wireless card.  hwinfo does a lot more than that. In the repos. Install it now :)06:04
apb1963aleph-TA, Some day you'll look back on all this and laugh at how simple it was to get it working, once you found the proper incantation. :)06:05
lotuspsychjeNuttyNutterson: would you risk upgrading un unsecure system?06:05
lotuspsychje!usn | NuttyNutterson06:06
ubottuNuttyNutterson: Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about recent Ubuntu security updates.06:06
aleph-TAidk, seems pretty vague and not well documented. i guess as long as it works and doesn't break for no reason i'll be happy06:06
aleph-TAgreat, for some reason it's shitting the bed with some amd-vi issues06:11
lotuspsychjealeph-TA: keep language familly friendly here plz06:12
rn10950Hi everybody, I am relatively new to Linux (I am an experienced Windows user) and I am experimenting with a 16.04 install. My Linux partition on my SSD is only 20GB, but I have a big 2TB NTFS storage drive. I was wondering if it was possible to create a 100GB VHD on the storage drive, format it as EXT4, and mount it at /devel. I created the image using dd and mounted it with gnome-disks, but every time I try to write to it I get an access06:19
rn10950denied error, even from root.06:19
lotuspsychje!home | rn10950 this what you want?06:21
ubotturn10950 this what you want?: Your home directory is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For moving your home directory to a separate partition, please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving06:21
rn10950no, I just want to make a seperate EXT4 VHD for development (could you relistically do development work on NTFS?) on my large storage drive and mount it06:22
rn10950lotuspsychje: ^06:22
lotuspsychjern10950: make a partition with gparted?06:23
aleph-TAwelp, guess i'm gonna have to figure this out tomorrow06:25
rn10950lotuspsychje: If I shrink the big NTFS partition and add a smaller EXT4 one will it mess with the dual-boot and SMB shares (the whole drive is shared on my network in both Windows and Linux using Samba)06:26
rn10950Will Windows complain that the drive is missing/corrupted?06:27
oerheksshrink it in windows, diskmanagment06:28
rn10950OK, I will try that, thank you. I wanted to avoid doing that but I guess it is the ony way to do this06:28
oerheksthat would avoid antivirus or windows itself to complain06:28
toolzhey guys, is there anyone around available who can help me with my mdadm/raid 1 issue?06:33
panikomilame kai me alous06:33
papath  80GB WDC WD800AAJS-7506:33
oerheks!gr | papath paniko06:35
ubottupapath paniko: #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes06:35
papathμε ακουσ06:35
apb1963Hmmm.  It's all Greek to me :)06:38
koolkalangthere was a guy here an hour or so ago called something like Bash_om or something like that06:39
koolkalangI don06:39
koolkalang't think hes here, but I solved my screen tearing problem06:39
oerheksBashing-om left, but i'll pass your succes!06:40
toolzI got 2 hdds, sda and sdb and 2 md devices: md126 (which I use) and md127 which is unused, but is has Member Arrays : /dev/md126 and /dev/sdb and /dev/sda as raid devices(just like md126) how can I remove md127 as I cannot do anything because it say devices are in use and that md126 is a member array?06:40
oerhekshave fun!06:40
koolkalangoerheks: cool06:40
koolkalangyeah it was something a lot of nvidia/intel graphics laptops had06:41
marcoscosmosCan anyone tell me what daemon Gnome Shell uses to manitain things like gtk themes, etc?06:46
marcoscosmose.g. the alternative to unity-settings-daemon06:46
marcoscosmos(I'm trying to repair/complete an upgrade from 16.04 to 17.10 - semi-customised install (mostly additional packages) - trying to switch to gnome shell as the DE beneath my window manager but gnome-settings-daemon doesn't appear to be installed?)06:48
marcoscosmosIs anyone around?06:51
marcoscosmosDo you know much about gnome shell? (latest/whatever shipped with 17.10)06:54
fravickcan you say that country are?06:59
marcoscosmosAustralia, is that relevant?07:02
Svetait could be but fravick already left07:02
marcoscosmosI need to disable the join/leave messages07:03
Svetayou can do that using the options button at the left top07:03
almoxarife[m]/ignore joins07:04
marcoscosmosThere we go07:06
hashestoashesDoes anyone in here use an AMD GPU?  I flashed a new bios to my GPU which increased the mem clock ability, and it works fine and I can select these higher values in Windows, but I am having issues in Linux getting it to work.  I am confused by I hard coded the value in the fw, but linux sees the previous value.07:12
hashestoashesIt's like the driver isn't accepting it...07:12
hashestoashesThis is for ethereum mining btw.07:12
leekh우분투 깔고 테스트중입니다07:14
Svetaleekh: utf-8 please07:14
tatertotshashestoashes: i'm afraid your little GPU clock utility is "windows only" ...not only in the system requirements of the software but also in the fact that the changes are not "permanent" "without" the windows software..07:18
tatertotshashestoashes: this makes you somewhat "dependent" on the windows gpu clocking utility.07:18
tatertotshashestoashes: after you google a bit and find out the little gpu clocking utility is windows only and the changes are "windows only" also to boot.07:19
hashestoashesFrom my googling it appears this is doable in linux as well.  I just find it weird that the driver doesn't honor it since I hardcoded the values in the firmware.07:22
hashestoashesI am using the AMD blockchain driver... maybe I need to try the open source one07:22
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tatertotshashestoashes: the fact that the clock setting was NOT permanent, almost suggests you didn't do it as "deep" in the "firmware" as you think/thought...a true "hardware" overclock is OS "independent"07:24
hashestoashesI know that's what I find odd.  If i load the dumped bios again and look at it, it shows those values.07:25
tatertotshashestoashes: meaning NOT "dependent" on the users choice or use or changing the "software" operating system....yes a operating system is "software"07:25
hashestoashesthose values are literally flashed07:25
tatertotshashestoashes: yeah "flashed" and held is "software"07:32
hashestoashesWow, asked in ethosdisro for their source since it is based on Ubuntu07:38
hashestoashesThey are violating GPL07:38
hashestoashesi called them out on it and they kick/banned me07:38
hashestoashes[00:18] == hashestoashes was kicked from #cryptocurrency by ChanServ [Invite only channel] [00:37] == hashestoashes was kicked from #ethosdistro by THX1138 [call a lawyer]07:38
hashestoashesThey don't provide their source and are in direct violation07:38
jinkhashestoashes: https://www.ubuntu.com/about/contact-us07:40
jinkhashestoashes: Basically, you can e-mail legal@canonical.com and ask, I suppose.  That's close enough to "call a lawyer", I guess.07:41
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NuttyNuttersonIt appears I can copy things from my mounted windows partition into ubuntu but I can't copy things from ubuntu into my windows paritition07:49
Traveageanybody here?07:49
NuttyNuttersonIs that normal and is there a workaround?07:49
Traveagecan you speak chinese?07:50
hashestoashesEmail sent to canonical legal.  Going to email GPL, FSF and Richard Stallman too07:57
jinkhashestoashes: (Y)07:58
hashestoashesF*ck those guys!07:58
mst89 hashestoashes: good job!07:58
hashestoashesThat's some bs, and they are such dicks about it too!07:58
hashestoashesThis is the email i sent to canonical legal07:59
hashestoashesTo Whom it May Concern:  I recently was interested in trying out the EthOS distribution which is a customized Ubuntu version for cryptocurrency miners.  EthOS is a fork of Ubuntu and contains all of Ubuntu's code.  They have merely added one some additional scripts and functionality, and packaged it up and sell it.  Ok, that is fine, however, they are required to provide sources, for which they refuse to do so!  I googled looki07:59
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hashestoasheson the web or their page.   I then joined their official IRC chat room and they told me source code is for "paying" customers only and that I wasn't entitled to it.  In order to get access to the source, they said I needed to purchase the product, clearly a GPL violation!  Once you purchase the product, you receive a user/pass to the downloads section.  There is no way to obtain the source without paying!08:00
hashestoashes After I showed them the GPL FAQ detailing this was against GPL, they kicked me from the room and told me to get a lawyer!  [00:37] == hashestoashes was kicked from #ethosdistro by THX1138 [call a lawyer]  EthOS is BLATANTLY violating the GPL as well as other Ubuntu licenses and agreements.08:00
marcoscosmos_That is severely dissappointing08:01
marcoscosmos_You'd think they'd be more aware of themselves..08:01
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hashestoashesIve read about this before too.   I tried to get the source a few months back and ran into issues.  Fuck them.  I hope they get sued!08:02
hashestoashesThese guys are making MILLIONS!08:02
hashestoashesEthOS is pretty much the most popular mining distro around08:03
hashestoashesAnd they charge $29-$39 for it per download08:03
hashestoashesNo sources available ANYWHERE!  It is a ubuntu fork too :(08:03
gordonjcphashestoashes: millions of pretend money08:05
gordonjcphashestoashes: also, I'm not sure you understand how GPL licensing works08:06
michael2hashestoashes: how are the packages installed on EthOS? if its coming from upstream ubuntu binaries and source may be able to be verified by Ubuntu and debian maintainer GPG keys08:07
hashestoashesMillions of pretend money?  They don't charge crypto for it.08:07
hashestoashesThey charge USD08:07
hashestoashes$39 US Dollars08:07
gordonjcphashestoashes: yeah, sure08:07
gordonjcphashestoashes: and they've sold how many copies?08:07
gordonjcptwo, three?08:07
gordonjcpany at all?08:07
hashestoashesummm you are clueless08:07
hashestoashesit is the most popular mining distro around08:07
michael2gordonjcp: what part of the GPL is hashestoashes misunderstanding?08:07
hashestoashesThey have sold hundreds of thousands08:08
gordonjcpmichael2: show me where it's illegal to sell GPLed software08:08
hashestoashesIt's not illegal08:08
hashestoashesit's illegal not to provide source08:08
mst89u need to provide source08:08
hashestoashesand telling me to pay for source08:08
gordonjcphashestoashes: only the GPLed bits08:08
hashestoashesThey provide 0 source, and tell me to pay for it08:08
hashestoashesthat is illegal08:08
gordonjcphashestoashes: and there's no need to distribute the Ubuntu sources, because Canonical already do that08:08
hashestoashesand against GPL08:08
michael2ah gordonjcp may have a point there08:09
marcoscosmosThe legal question here is: is it legal to only provide source code to purchasers? They're not neccessarily legally stopping others from redistributing08:09
michael2only the GPL bits - its how Apple ship bash and other GPL on OSX08:09
marcoscosmosI think it's probably a gray area08:09
hashestoashesIt is illegal08:09
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: that depends on which bits they're providing08:09
hashestoashesthis is how linksys got introuble08:09
hashestoashesThey finally got sued by the FSF08:09
gordonjcphashestoashes: not the same thing08:10
hashestoashesand had to provide source to their bins08:10
hashestoashesfor their routers08:10
semitones_rexHi, how does gparted know what devices are plugged in, and can I find out the same thing on the cli?08:10
gordonjcphashestoashes: linksys were producing their own OS image based on GPLed sources, for which they need to distribute sources *for the GPLed parts*08:10
hashestoashesseems im not the only one!08:10
gordonjcphashestoashes: I sell an Ubuntu-based software product, as it happens08:11
gordonjcphashestoashes: I don't redistribute the Ubuntu parts of it because you can just get that off Canonical08:11
gordonjcphashestoashes: it's a bunch of fairly specialised proprietary software that installs onto a plain vanilla Ubuntu Server 16.04 image08:11
gordonjcpobviously I don't distribute source for the bits I wrote08:12
gordonjcpI fold patches to GPLed components of it back upstream, where they are available to apply to the vanilla upstream versions if you care to do so08:12
hashestoashesEthos modifies GPL'd components08:13
hashestoashesbut doesn't provide source to it08:13
hashestoashesand sells it08:13
hashestoashesas their own08:13
marcoscosmosgordonjcp: could you elaborate? My understanding is that anyone who has access to binaries must also have access to source, but you could theoretically have fully private projects based on GPL software as long as they don't ship? Are their advertising constraints or such?08:13
gordonjcphashestoashes: okay, then that's different - can you point to something specific08:13
mst89hasestoashes: how do u know they modify those components?08:13
semitones_rexis it dmesg?08:13
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: you have to publish your modifications to GPLed software08:13
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: if what you ship is just what you got from the developer, there's no point in you providing the source too08:14
hashestoashesIt is a ubuntu fork and they customized it.  It is totally gpl'd and bastardized versions of it that they choose not to release source to08:14
marcoscosmosIf you distribute them, of course.08:14
hashestoashesIt's not a straight 1:1 source clone, they modified it08:14
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: in fact, there's an argument that you should *not* provide your own copies of unmodified upstream sources08:14
marcoscosmosI didn't realise this was talking about modified code08:14
marcoscosmos(didn't realise it either)08:15
marcoscosmosyeah I figured there would be gordonjcp08:15
hashestoashesBtw, for whoever said they weren't popular and maybe sold 1-2 copies?08:15
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: the reason you'd not provide unmodified sources is because there's an element of "nothing up my sleeve" there08:15
gordonjcphashestoashes: how does this affect you *personally*?08:16
hashestoashesThey are ranked 19K in the US08:16
michael2well under the GPLv3 - you dont have to ship the code - simly "communicating" the software is enough to require you to provide the source if you used GPL'ed components in your software08:16
hashestoashesI am a miner and I wanted to modify their code08:16
gordonjcphashestoashes: so you want to take other people's work and make money off it?08:16
gordonjcphashestoashes: sure sounds like it08:16
hashestoashesI want to modify it for my own needs08:16
gordonjcpuh-huh, which are?08:16
hashestoashesWhy are you attacking me?  I am not the one in violation here.08:16
hashestoashesI am trying to adhere to the GPL08:17
hashestoashesthey aren't08:17
gordonjcphashestoashes: start your own fork08:17
hashestoashesI want to create my own custom dashboard08:17
hashestoashesFor my own reporting purposes08:17
gordonjcphashestoashes: if they're just modifying existing GPLed code and distributing it, surely you can do the same?08:17
hashestoashesI would like to fork their code, but I can't... no access to source.08:17
hashestoashesYou don't seem to get it08:17
hashestoashesthis is a futile argument08:17
gordonjcphashestoashes: but theirs is based off Ubuntu, right?08:17
gordonjcphashestoashes: so08:17
gordonjcphashestoashes: if all they're doing is modifying an existing Ubuntu-based distro, what's to stop you doing the same?08:18
mst89gordonjcp: modifying existing GPLed code requires u to provide source if u sell it?08:18
hashestoashesI could do the same, but you shouldn't sell it08:18
gordonjcpmst89: if you *distribute* it08:18
hashestoasheswell you can sell it08:18
hashestoashesbut provide source08:18
hashestoashesthat's all i am asking08:18
gordonjcphashestoashes: perhaps you should point it out to the FSF08:19
hashestoashesI already emailed GPL and Canonical08:19
gordonjcpyou'd get better results with the FSF08:19
ducassehashestoashes: in any case, this is not a support issue - could you please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss?08:19
gordonjcpducasse: was just about to wave the !offtopic08:19
hashestoashesI originally joined here for a support issue lol08:19
hashestoashesthis just manifested08:19
ducassebut this isn't08:19
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tatertotshashestoashes: you mean the whole "dependent on windows gpu clocking software" issue?08:27
hashestoashestatertots: so i flashed these cards so that the mem clock could go to 220008:29
hashestoashesHard coded08:29
hashestoashesbut for some reason, linux still sees it as 175008:29
hashestoashesI think I actually may know what's up... going to reflash08:29
hashestoashesi think I may have set the max to 2200, but maybe the default is set to 175008:30
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hashestoashesIs there a cli utility so I can change it and test within s/w or do i need to reflash?08:30
ChadTaljaardtHello :)08:31
ChadTaljaardtCan someone help me change my resolution? its not high enough08:32
ChadTaljaardtit should be 1920x108008:32
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marcoscosmosWhich version of ubuntu are you using, ChadTaljaardt ?08:33
hateballChadTaljaardt: do tell what GPU/driver you are using, and what the highest available mode is according to "xrandr"08:33
tatertotsChadTaljaardt: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no08:33
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ChadTaljaardtmarcoscosmos 17.1008:34
marcoscosmosoh hi tatertots xD08:34
ChadTaljaardtI have a HD 6870 Graphcs card08:34
marcoscosmosokay uh sec08:34
ChadTaljaardtnope tatertots08:34
ChadTaljaardtalso nice name :D08:34
tatertotsChadTaljaardt: oh okay08:34
marcoscosmosthere should be a settings/cogs icon along the left bar, ChadTaljaardt ?08:35
marcoscosmosclick it08:35
marcoscosmosand uh. one of the options in there should look like a monitor or say display settings or resolution?08:36
marcoscosmossorry to be non specific I'm currently trying to repair my installation of 17.10 and apparently the application breaks when I launch it xD08:36
ChadTaljaardthighest is 1280*102408:37
marcoscosmoshave you had higher under windows?08:37
marcoscosmosokay, then you probably need another driver08:37
marcoscosmoslet me just try and remember how to find that08:38
ChadTaljaardtthanks a lot :)08:38
marcoscosmosokay in the settings thing, can you get to system>software & updates>additional drivers?08:39
marcoscosmosand no worries08:39
ChadTaljaardtyeah im there08:39
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: repair 17.10?  Upgrade it to 17.04 ;-)08:39
ChadTaljaardtUsing processor microcode firmware for AMD CPI's from amd64-mictocode (proprietary)08:40
WulfGood Morning08:40
WulfI installed Ubuntu 17.10 on a laptop. I would like to use NetworkManager for my wired ethernet connection, but it says "unmanaged". I suspect that this is somehow caused by systemd. How can I give control over the ethernet back to NetworkManager?08:41
marcoscosmoswell, I say repair but it's not strictly ubuntu that's broken. I'm running a window manager that doesn't have a DE of it's own and previously had unity's services etc running to provide the rest of the DE (e.g. gtk theming etc)08:43
marcoscosmosNow I'm trying to switch all that over to gnome shell but it's more involved that with most DEs08:43
marcoscosmosChadTaljaardt: there aren't any display/graphics related listings there?08:44
goptimusYeup guys what's up08:44
marcoscosmosgordonjcp: so technically it's not broken08:44
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: aha, which window manager?08:44
marcoscosmosexcept for my gtk3 theme, button borders dissappeared idk why xD08:45
marcoscosmosBSPWM gordonjcp08:45
marcoscosmosyo goptimus08:45
marcoscosmosokay ChadTaljaardt uh08:45
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: I was never a fan of tiling WMs ;-)08:48
marcoscosmosof you run "apt list | grep intel" what do you get? ChadTaljaardt08:48
marcoscosmosgordonjcp: I was never a fan of using mice, so  TWMs are a godsend to me xD08:48
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ChadTaljaardtim doing it now hold on :)08:50
marcoscosmosgordonjcp: Apparently gnome's settings daemon is now split up into like a dozen different daemons and I'm wondering if it wouldn't be easier to just use the existing xdg autostart entries but, I don't even know ho xD08:52
ChadTaljaardtmarcoscosmos https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/54a6986459161e7bae1d4982823799c808:56
marcoscosmosok sorry sec08:58
ChadTaljaardtSorry im back, laptop died09:01
ChadTaljaardtSorry im back, laptop died09:01
ChadTaljaardtdid i miss anything?09:01
marcoscosmossorry I had to fix something of my own09:02
marcoscosmosokay so you have the latest driver..09:02
marcoscosmosChadTaljaardt: sorry09:02
ChadTaljaardtAny idea hwo to do that?09:03
marcoscosmosNo like, you have the driver you need already unless09:05
marcoscosmoshave you tried running09:05
marcoscosmosokay if run "sudo apt-get update"09:05
marcoscosmosand then09:05
ChadTaljaardti ran sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade09:06
marcoscosmosyeah but run sudo apt-get update again now just to see if there's anything that's out of date still09:07
marcoscosmosI just did the same upgrade and had an xorg update after somehow09:08
marcoscosmosyou can use "apt list --upgradeable" after the apt-get update to see a list of upgradable packages before you install them09:08
ChadTaljaardtill try09:09
ChadTaljaardtListing... Done09:09
ChadTaljaardtthats the output09:09
marcoscosmosokay what about apt list --upgradable?09:10
ChadTaljaardtseems like im fully up to date09:11
marcoscosmosdamn okay09:11
marcoscosmoswhat's the output of xrandr?09:11
nwehello, I have setup an pxeboot enviorment, and everything is working execpt that net_cfg=auto and IPAPPEND 1 ksdevice=bootif is enabled i pxelinux.cfg/default09:12
marcoscosmosHi nwe that went completely over my head sorry09:13
ChadTaljaardtmarcoscosmos thats the output :(09:14
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: I miss fvwm and rc scripts ;-)09:15
marcoscosmosYeah that's what I was afraid it'd be, ChadTaljaardt09:15
marcoscosmosmust be a driver issue09:15
ChadTaljaardthas to be if it works on windows09:15
ChadTaljaardtmaybe my gfx card is unsupported09:16
marcoscosmosyou could maybe try getting a driver from intel more directly? I'm at a bit of a loss here now09:16
ChadTaljaardtit is kinda old09:16
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: I know there's a project to replace systemd in debian with these newfangled init scripts09:16
gordonjcpChadTaljaardt: what kind of graphics card?09:16
ChadTaljaardtmy graphics card is AMD though?09:16
marcoscosmosWait if your graphics card is AMD09:16
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: old window manager, probably older than half the folk in this channel09:16
marcoscosmosthen you need AMD drivers sorry I thought it was an intel card09:17
marcoscosmosthen yeah you don't have any adm drivers09:17
ChadTaljaardtno idea how to do that haha09:18
marcoscosmosgordonjcp: I see. Apparently I also have to create some kind of .service that provides org.gnome.SessionManager to run all these mini daemons, gordonjcp09:18
marcoscosmoswondering if I can just run gnome-session and be done with it..09:18
marcoscosmosuhm one sec ChadTaljaardt09:18
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: ye09:19
gordonjcpChadTaljaardt: right your AMD card ought to be supported out of the box09:19
gordonjcpChadTaljaardt: if you installed fglrx it might not be though09:19
ChadTaljaardti dont think i have09:19
gordonjcpChadTaljaardt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver09:19
marcoscosmosI've always needed the proprietary drivers for my nvidia card09:20
tomreynHD 6870 is a BARTS chipset, supported on all (non EOL) Ubuntu LTS releases (and probably non LTS, too) using the readeon open source driver.09:20
marcoscosmosthe noveau drivers work but not for games, the performance is trash09:20
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: that's what I've found, and I think the proprietary drivers no longer support my card09:20
ChadTaljaardtUnder the section of "Testing the driver"09:22
ChadTaljaardtwhen i run this09:22
ChadTaljaardtdmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'09:22
ChadTaljaardti get this output09:22
omordiskin where are you from?09:22
diskinomor, hi, why are you asking?09:22
ChadTaljaardtgordonjcp i dont know if this is a issue or not09:23
tomreynPici: good morning, could you check why ubottu's HTTTPS no longer works?09:23
marcoscosmosI think I'm pretty lucky that my card still has support probably because it's popular for deep learning as an entry level 2gb card09:23
marcoscosmosnow how the frick do I get gnome-session running..09:24
ChadTaljaardtgordonjcp https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/f0ad4b61b806e775418f9b10a6f5099f09:27
ChadTaljaardti dont think it will work becuase it says09:27
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ChadTaljaardtTo see your OpenGL information, you can run the commands below. Make sure your OpenGL renderer string does not say "software rasterizer" or "llvmpipe" because that would mean you have no 3D hardware acceleration:09:27
ChadTaljaardtmy one says llvmpipe09:27
tomreynChadTaljaardt: looks like you instruct linux to not do kernel mode setting but to fall back to user mode setting, this won't work.09:27
tomreynChadTaljaardt: what does 'cat /proc/cmdline' return?09:28
ChadTaljaardttomreyn when i installed ubuntu i was getting a black screen and had to use "nomodeset"09:28
ChadTaljaardti dont know if thats relevant09:28
tomreynChadTaljaardt: which version of ubuntu were you installing?09:28
ChadTaljaardttomreyn BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-25-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro nomodeset quiet splash09:29
tomreynChadTaljaardt: so try removing the nomodeset.09:29
tomreynyou can do that either once during boot, editing your generated grub configuration file now (which will be overwritten on the next kernel update) or permanently by editing the configuration file which is used to generate the grub configuration.09:31
ChadTaljaardtso if i reboot i should be able to do it?09:31
ChadTaljaardti just want the easiest way haha09:31
someone_Hi , How I can use joystick as a mouse on Kubuntu 16.04 ?09:31
adithyaas my version of 17.04 wont work anymore. do i have to reinstall ubuntu of another version or update it?09:32
tomreynChadTaljaardt: well the first option, once during reboot, is the safest, since you can roll it back by just rebooting again. but it is also more complex than the others.09:32
gordonjcpadithya: it kind of depends what you did to it09:32
ChadTaljaardtthen ill do that tomreyn09:32
adithyai did nothin09:32
ChadTaljaardtdo i have to do it every time i turn my pc on?09:32
gordonjcpadithya: so what happened to it?09:32
blingrangsomeone_, try joytokey.09:33
tomreynChadTaljaardt: you can make it permanent if it works once. i suggest you test it once (i'll explain how) and then, if it work, you'll make it permanent (just come back here to learn how)09:35
tomreynChadTaljaardt: so, do you know what the grub menu look like?09:35
tomreynroughly something like this http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1353953772.png09:36
adithyamy zesty security has eol09:36
tomreyn!eolupgrade | adithya09:36
ubottuadithya: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades09:36
ChadTaljaardtill look09:37
ChadTaljaardtive seen that yes09:37
ChadTaljaardtbut not on this computer09:37
tomreynChadTaljaardt: do you get to see this every time you boot?09:37
ChadTaljaardthow do i access it?09:37
tomreynchalcedony: duriong boot, hold down the left shift key, this should bring up this menu09:38
tomreynchalcedony: sorry, this wasnt meant for you09:38
tomreynChadTaljaardt: duriong boot, hold down the left shift key, this should bring up this menu09:38
ChadTaljaardtokay ill give it a go09:38
tomreynChadTaljaardt: wait09:38
marcoscosmosgordonjcp: Ugh do you remember where session .desktops go?09:39
tomreynChadTaljaardt: once you have the menu, you need to press 'e', this brings you to a new screen, a kind of text editor. there, move the cursor to where it says 'nomodeset' and delete this word (but nothing else). once you are done editing, do not press enter but press Ctrl-x09:40
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: no, I don't09:41
tomreynChadTaljaardt: take notes on hjow to do this, you probably can't remember all of it. and then give it a go. ;)09:41
gordonjcpmarcoscosmos: I think I'm going to upgrade this machine from 17.10 to 16.04 so my graphics card works again09:42
ChadTaljaardtim not using this computer to do it so ill stay here while i do it haha09:42
tomreynChadTaljaardt: ah that makes it easier. good luck.09:42
tomreyngordonjcp: that's not an upgrade, that's a downgrade (which are unsupported).09:43
marcoscosmosgordonjcp: good luck! I'm going to continue rummaging through the file system for the stuff I need to edit, at least until my brain shuts down, which, it's trying to do09:44
ChadTaljaardtokay tomreyn i tried it09:45
ChadTaljaardtand just got a black screennow09:45
samaelhello. in 17.04, where should i put commands to be run automatically at graphical login? .xinitrc/.xsessionrc are not working. no, start-up applications GUI is not a solution.09:46
EriC^^samael: why is it not a solution?09:46
marcoscosmoswhat the fuck now my file manager isn't showing file extensions in the raw name09:47
tomreynChadTaljaardt: hmm, sorry to hear this. i would have expected it to work out of the box. can you press ctrl-alt-f1 and login on the text console, then check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for '(EE)' records?09:47
ChadTaljaardtctrl+alt+f1 isnt working either09:48
samaelEriC^^: i currently have a problem with a script: it launches chromium and when i launch it by hand, it stays in foreground, which is what i want. when launched at startup, chromium gets launched and then the process inexplicably exits, thus the rest of the script it's executed (which i don't want).09:48
tomreynChadTaljaardt: hmm ok. did you ever install ubuntu updates on this system?09:49
cloudbudwhat is a /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf09:49
ChadTaljaardttomreyn i ran sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade09:49
samaelEriC^^: but in a more general manner, it's an unattended machine which i need to manage remotely. so i'd like to do as much as possible via CLI09:49
gordonjcptomreyn: it's an upgrade, I assure you09:50
tomreynChadTaljaardt: okay, so you can just reboot now and we can inspect the X log after reboot.09:50
gordonjcptomreyn: nothing works properly in 17.10, or indeed 17.0409:50
EriC^^samael: you can manage it from the cli ~/.config/autostart i dont know why chromium is exiting though, odd09:50
gordonjcptomreyn: the most egregious example is the nvidia drivers09:51
samaelEriC^^: it's weird, indeed09:51
EriC^^samael: maybe add some debugging to the script, > /tmp/log 2>&109:51
tomreyngordonjcp: the technical term 'upgrade' refers to moving form a lower to a higher release version. you are planning to do the opposite, which is not supported, and will likely fail, thus my remark.09:51
ChadTaljaardttomreyn how to inspect X Log?09:52
gordonjcptomreyn: I've never done an upgrade from one version to another, I've only ever done clean installs onto new disks09:52
EriC^^samael: can you pastebin the script or relevant parts?09:53
gordonjcptomreyn: what I plan on doing here is nuking the 17.10 machine and sticking 16.04 back on, since it works and 17.10 doesn't09:53
tomreyngordonjcp: okay, so i assume you used the term 'upgrade' to refer to a new installation then.09:53
gordonjcptomreyn: "upgrade" in the dictionary sense of the word, an alteration to improve function and performance09:53
gordonjcptomreyn: two identical machines - near sequential serial numbers, even - and one has 16.04 and one has 17.10 on09:53
gordonjcptomreyn: both are using nvidia-340 drivers for their admittedly rather elderly Quadro FX580s09:54
gordonjcptomreyn: in 17.10 3D graphics are a single-frame-per-second slideshow, in 16.04 it's 30fps09:54
gordonjcptomreyn: swap the hard drives, issue stays with the OS09:55
tomreynChadTaljaardt: if you run this you will paste the log from the previous boot online: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old09:57
ChadTaljaardttomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26415591/09:59
tomreyngordonjcp: i'm not surprised that nvidia drivers work better on an LTS release than on a non LTS release, if that's what you are pointing out.10:01
tomreynChadTaljaardt: hmm apparently that's not the right log file. can you check its date and time? there could also be similarily named files: ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*10:02
gordonjcptomreyn: they're the same drivers10:03
tomreyngordonjcp: butthe kernels aren't, nor are the user spaces.10:03
gordonjcptomreyn: right10:03
gordonjcptomreyn: so why would "upgrading" impose such a massive performance hit?10:04
anddamis there an option to tell dpkg to uninstall a previous, conflicting version of a package when manually installing the newer one?10:04
ChadTaljaardttomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26415607/10:04
anddamcase in point I'm installing virtualbox-5.2_5.2.6-120293~Ubuntu~xenial_amd64.deb10:04
samaelEriC^^: pretty simple: http://paste.debian.net/1005960/ . i'll try to add bash -x and redirect stderr/out to a log as you said10:04
zetherooI am going to install Oracle Java in 16.04, but I am wondering where it should be installed to. Does anyone have experience with this?10:05
tomreyngordonjcp: because the company producing the drivers for the hardware you decided to acquire insists on only producing proprietary drivers, which then can only be made to work with linux by them, and they do it in a way that is specific to certain kernel versions (ABIs).10:06
zetherooI'm installing from the tar.gz download since the webupd8team PPA isn't working atm10:07
gordonjcptomreyn: the ABI isn't different10:07
tomreynChadTaljaardt: can you: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.1.log.old10:07
gordonjcptomreyn: not significantly, anyway10:08
gordonjcptomreyn: I can only assume that they've cocked something up massively in there for it to break so drastically10:08
ChadTaljaardttomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26415625/10:08
gordonjcptomreyn: do you know what the term "regression" means in software development?10:08
anddamah, answer to self: I had virtualbox's PPA alreaady, but I have to change the installed package from 5.1 to 5.210:13
akikanddam: virtualbox has a ppa?10:13
tomreyngordonjcp: i know what this term means, yes. do you know what the term 'forward compatibility' means in software development?10:14
tomreynChadTaljaardt: hmm both of those logs were generated runnong on a kernel which was started with 'nomodeset' set. so they can't be the ones which were written when you ran into the black screen after removing 'nomodeset' manually from the grub menu. i assume this means that no log was written at the failed boot. we can now try to inspect this further by reviewing system logs, too. but i think this is going to eat a lot of time, and a better10:17
tomreynsuggestion may be that you install ubuntu 16.04 LTS instead.10:17
ChadTaljaardtill just do that then10:18
tomreynChadTaljaardt: do you have any personal data there?10:18
ChadTaljaardtits a clean install anways10:18
tomreynoh that makes it an easy decision10:18
tomreynChadTaljaardt: i suggest once 18.04 LTS is released in april, you try booting its installer / live CD and check whether that works. and if it does, you upgrade the system to that.10:19
ChadTaljaardtokay great10:20
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ChadTaljaardtthansk for your time tomreyn and gordonjcp10:21
tomreyn!es | Guest2650410:21
ubottuGuest26504: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro.10:21
user03do we have to download a bios update to mitigate spectre, or do we wait for an OS patch for that, eventually?10:21
tomreynChadTaljaardt: welcome10:21
debouncerGnome DE consumes enormous amount of RAMs (about 500mb). How can I deal with it?10:21
akikdebouncer: there are other desktop environments that are lighter on resource usage10:23
tomreyn!spectre | user0310:23
ubottuuser03: Spectre is a security issue in almost all modern processors, which was released along with !Meltdown (but is not the same thing). While there are several initiatives underway to mitigate it, there is no "magic bullet" software fix. Ubuntu is monitoring ongoing efforts and will provide security updates as they become available. See !usn for security update notifications.10:23
user03So I guess I type the word with the ! for more info10:25
ubottuPlease see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about recent Ubuntu security updates.10:25
akikdebouncer: lxde, xfce, mate10:25
debouncerSo, this is a normal behavior?10:25
akikdebouncer: yes10:26
jvavahave you used the empathy to transfer file, I can not find where to do.10:27
marcoscosmosSO now I've somehow broken lightdm or xorg10:30
marcoscosmosI dunno how10:30
marcoscosmosI only edited xsession and gnome-session files10:30
akikmarcoscosmos: you can reinstall those files "dpkg -S /path/to/file" then "sudo apt-get install --reinstall package"10:31
marcoscosmosSure but, I dunno what files to reinstall because I'm 99% certain that those files are untouched but10:32
marcoscosmosoh oh sec10:32
goptimusgyus i'm novice . I wan to begin to build package or lunix software . Where i should  begin ?10:33
akikmarcoscosmos: you can also verify (installed) package contents with: dpkg -V package10:33
jvavaauto tools10:33
jvavathat's it10:33
marcoscosmosakik: okay thanks - so instead of a login greeter I get a small window saying something like "your display could not be detected, you will need to configure it yourself"10:35
zomaarSo I spent 2 days not being able to boot my system because I wasn't allowed to ask for help because I'm using (parts of) a wrong Ubuntu version, when in the end it was nothing but a dirty filesystem that regular mount didn't tell me about.10:35
zomaarIsn't that awesome.10:35
marcoscosmosdo you recognise thatt at all, akik ?10:35
akikmarcoscosmos: not sure what you've changed10:35
user03The security page looks kind of scary, however from what I gather, to execute spectre for the most part it has to be a local attacker.10:35
marcoscosmosyeah and looking at xorg logs didn't seem to get me anywhere10:36
marcoscosmosoh the error is10:36
goptimusjvava: it's not  clean in my head10:36
akikmarcoscosmos: did you create a xorg.conf?10:36
marcoscosmos"      The system is running in low-graphics mode      Your screen, graphics cards, and input device settings could not be detected correctly. You will need to configure these yourself."10:36
jvavagoptimus, me too.10:36
marcoscosmoswith nvidia-settings, akik, I've tried deleting it as well10:36
akikmarcoscosmos: nvidia-settings creates a dot file in your home dir10:37
akikmarcoscosmos: i think it was called .nvidia-settings.rc10:37
marcoscosmosWhat about it?10:37
akikmarcoscosmos: maybe the settings are wrong in there10:37
tomreynuser03: that's not entirely correct. the attacker needs to be able to execute some kind of code on your computer. such as javascript in an unpatched web browser.10:37
user03Right, but of course I do think that Firefox will eventually patch up that security hole. That and if you use nvidia drivers.10:39
tomreynuser03: actually, what i'm discussing there was meltdown, not one of the spectre variants, which, i think, we have not seen proof of concept code for.10:39
tomreynuser03: there are already patched browsers available for ubuntu (as can be seen on usn.ubuntu.com - why is it scary btw.?). how do nvidia drivers get into this equation?10:40
user03See, I was afraid to update the bios on my machine and then bricking it. Lately I have heard the new bios patches caused computers to automatically reboot.10:41
tomreynuser03: yes, sadly, there seem to be a lot fo issues with intel's latest microcode updates. they do not affect every CPU, and not all of those possibly affected CPUs show problems, but that's bad enough.10:43
marcoscosmosWhat are the microcode drivers even for?10:43
tomreynmarcoscosmos: since they are proprietary and details are only made available under NDA, we can only speculate. but intel did publically state that they provide some counter measures to spectre and meltdown.10:45
user03usn-3521-1 nvidia graphics drivers vulnerability from 9th Jan. 201810:46
tomreynuser03: oh right, i forgot, too many bugs. ;)10:46
user03But I guess if you use nouveau drivers then that's not too bad then.10:47
zomaarAs Steve Jobs said, individually people are pretty smart. As a group, not so much10:48
zomaarThe response to these security holes has been so overblown that they have sacrificed other things that were actually more important.10:49
zomaarSuch as working computers.10:50
zomaarMeanwhile no one targets Linux computers for desktop users.10:50
user03So, I guess you are saying that I am safe from the looming spectre bug?10:51
zomaarUnless you run a publically exposed server10:51
zomaarYou are pretty much safe from every imaginable attack as a Linux desktop user10:52
marcoscosmosnot every threat10:52
zomaarBecause there's no money in that10:52
w0jtashello, how can i set preseed d-i partman-auto/disk so it detects nvme drives ? /dev/nvmeXnYpZ10:52
marcoscosmosrealistically most threats exploit human-vulnerabities10:53
tomreynCan we get back to ubuntu support here please, chatter and opinion should go to #ubuntu-offtopic (i'm happy to join a discussion on security topics there)10:53
rhokshi guys, how do I get chrome to use hardware acceleration or SOMETHING... youtube video or any video in full screen via hdmi on the tv screen kind of stutters10:53
marcoscosmosyou're unlikely to get any kind of system/os level threat if you use linux correctly or are sufficiently experienced (e.g. don't go downloading installers if it can be avoided)10:54
zomaarJust saying that you're not under threat (and it's actually #ubuntu-discuss)10:54
marcoscosmosbut tbh a lot of threats are just as likely to ignore your os and run directly in browser or trick you into giving up account details10:54
marcoscosmosAnyway I apparently bricked my ubuntu install so10:55
marcoscosmosI'm angry.10:55
marcoscosmosAnd moving to discuss10:55
tomreynrhoks: do you mean chrome or chromium?10:57
tomreynrhoks: does opengl acceleration work in general for you?10:57
gilberto_Bom dia !10:59
rhoksno chrome, well, I have both but I use chrome because its own flash version is newer11:00
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sliptteeshi guys11:03
tomreynw0jtas: are those drives available by the time partman operates? do separate drivers (installer modules / udebs) needs to be loaded? also note this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/150750511:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1507505 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/nvme" [High,Confirmed]11:04
sliptteeshow kernel have fix spectre and meltdown?11:04
manlinHi autofs fails to start on my Ubuntu 16.04 after kernel updated to 4.13.0-26. Any help please? autofs4 kernel module is not getting loaded11:05
manlini get "modprobe: FATAL: Module autofs4 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic"11:06
tomreynmanlin: which ubuntu release and kernel image are you using?11:07
w0jtastomreyn, drives are available as it installs fine if i completely remove this d-i parameter11:07
manlintomreyn: Ubuntu 16.04 and Kernel
tomreynmanlin: 16.04.x <- what is x?11:07
manlintomreyn: 16.04.3 LTS11:08
manlinselecting the previous kernel 4.10.0-42 on boot starts autofs service fine. its just the latest kernel11:08
slipttees16.04.4  when?11:09
tomreynmanlin: so the kernel image you are using is provided by the linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge package, or how did you get / install it?11:09
manlintomreyn: its one of my users workstation and he has got some repositories added. Not sure where he got that from11:10
tomreynw0jtas: okay, i guess i had expected it to work, too, then. are you using the latest point release installer? which ubuntu version is this actually?11:10
w0jtasubuntu 17.10 , latest netboot install11:11
w0jtasif i set "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/nvme0n1" then it works fine but i was expecting it to work same way as sda vda so /dev/nvme /dev/sda /dev/vda11:11
tomreynmanlin: so you're basically asking "why do things not work with this unsupported kernel i know nothing about". :)11:12
w0jtastomreyn: now i have to hardcode disk number where i want it to pick whatever available nvme then sda then vda11:12
manlintomreyn: thanks. I think I have to spend some more time looking what happened there talking to the user who did all these. I will come back later11:12
TJ-Interesting situation: 16.04 amd64; did a "systemctl suspend" which resumed after a couple of seconds but userspace still think's it is in sleep mode, so no network, logs not being updated, and other 'interesting' results. Before I do a hard reboot any suggestions on how we might get things to wake up ?11:13
theparadoxer02I ran sudo apt-get udpdate and getting this following error11:14
tomreynw0jtas: i would think it should work out of the box (maybe look for a bug report on this specific issue), but since it does not for you, maybe a pre install script could help there. just a suggestion, i have not thought about the details.11:14
mazharটেস্ট : Unicode testing11:14
sveinseI'm affected by the 17.10 bug in gdm3 where I have no cog to select a gnome session. Anyone knows how I can enable it?11:16
sveinse(It seems I have to run a pure gnome session to get a truly global dark theme11:17
tomreyn!zesty | theparadoxer0211:17
ubottutheparadoxer02: Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and !eolupgrade11:17
obr7Hi, I have an updated file "/run/resolvconf/interface/eth0.inet", but `resolvconf -d eth0 && resolvconf -u` does nothing and my "/etc/resolv.conf" has too few entries!11:19
blackflowsveinse: 'the' bug? what number? The cog is available to me when I select "Log in as another user", input my username again, and then it becomes available.11:19
sveinseI'm having this: #171420311:19
obr7Should I update /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base ?11:20
blackflowsveinse: that's about wayland session not being available, not the cog11:21
pagioshi , how can i FORCE delete ? https://pastebin.com/RcKcASVc11:21
pagioswanna remove gstreamer and its dependencies11:21
blackflowsveinse: did you want to do the same? use a wayland session?11:21
theparadoxer02@ubottu how do i fix it ?11:22
tomreynobr7: "updated" how?11:22
obr7tomreyn:  sed -re '/nameservers|dns-search/ !d' -e 's/dns-nameservers/nameserver/' -e 's/dns-search/search/' /etc/network/interfaces  | resolvconf -a eth0.inet && resolvconf -u11:23
tomreyntheparadoxer02: ubottu suggested you could type !eol and !eolupgrade here to get more information11:23
sveinseblackflow: no. I reinstalled yesterday in an attempt to see if I could use wayland and nouveau, but that fails, so I'm back at using xorg+nvidia. But I was told from ppl here yesterday that I have this bug. It also affects when hybrid graphics is involved. I'll see if I can find the issue number11:23
TJ-w0jtas: "nvme0n1" is the same as "sda", as in "nvme"+"0n1" == "sd"+"a" - with NVMe the driver naming is tailored to supporting and identifying controllers in the name: "nvme" + <controller-number> + "n" + <device-number> [ + "p" + <partition-number> ]11:23
obr7tomreyn: I'm on 16.0411:23
ubottuEnd-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades11:23
blackflowsveinse: but which bug exactly? cog not being visible, or wayland session not being available? because the latter is not a bug if you have nvidia.11:24
_abc_slightly off topic, the small monkey is called Ubuntu, it's dad is called Bantu, let's call it Linux? >;) http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/19/10/484DC0D100000578-5287955-image-a-12_1516356032883.jpg11:25
sveinseblackflow: and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+source/gdm3/+bug/172458311:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1724583 in gdm3 (Fedora) "gdm3 in Ubuntu 17.10 doesn't list wayland sessions when using hybrid graphics" [Medium,Confirmed]11:25
sveinseblackflow: well, I want a cog to select a gnome session on xorg. Or might I be missing something for that?11:25
w0jtasTJ- ok ignore me now i get this…. it's obvious… :)11:25
sveinseblackflow: I had that yesterday11:25
tomreynobr7: sorry, my imagination is too limited to understand what's in those files before and after your edits.11:26
obr7tomreyn: I'm gisting a bit, momz.11:26
blackflowsveinse: I see. But, when you click on "Not listed" on the login screen, then type in your username, does the cog appear below the password field?11:26
sveinseblackflow: nope11:27
TJ-w0jtas: It is confusing because it changes the convention; It's adopting the systemd/freedesktop scheme for naming (PCI) network devices I think11:27
sveinseblackflow: My core problem is that I want a global dark theme, which I can't seem to select with ubuntu session. On my gnome session, I can select the theme "Adwaita" and get a dark appearance in windows11:28
blackflowsveinse: I suppose then there is that problem of detecting that multiple sessions are available, as reported in the last bug you posted. I haven't seen it because I use nvidia and proprietary drivers and don't expect to see the wayland session, but I do see it for othre sessions.11:28
w0jtasTJ- yep but regardless changes working as it should so it's good, thanks for help11:28
sveinseblackflow: yes, and I dont want wayland either. It just is related to the issue it seems11:29
pagioshi , how can i FORCE delete ? https://pastebin.com/RcKcASVc11:29
blackflowsveinse: but if you had other sessions, say xfce (like I did), it _should_ be there?11:29
blackflowpagios: "is not installed, so not removed"11:30
blackflowyou seem to have another problem, of missing deps. are you using any PPAs?11:31
obr7tomreyn: Oops, it seems to work, but he only seems to write nameservers into resolv.conf, which are also available.11:31
zomaar!info lvm bionic11:32
ubottuPackage lvm does not exist in bionic11:32
pagiosblackflow, i wanna remove it11:32
pagiosi see it in dpkg -l11:32
zomaar!info lvm2 bionic11:32
ubottulvm2 (source: lvm2): Linux Logical Volume Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.02.168-2ubuntu3 (bionic), package size 864 kB, installed size 2656 kB (Only available for linux-any)11:32
tomreynobr7: i think it tests them live, yes.11:32
blackflowpagios: and it starts with "ii" in dpkg -l output?11:32
TaZeRa little trick is making a file called resolv.conf.head and it will always stick your prefered server at the top of any resolv.conf generated11:32
sveinseblackflow: I forgot to install gnome-session. When I did, I get the gnome shell by default. ...still can't select between gnome and ubuntu session in gdm3 thou :( But now I can select a global dark theme, so I'm happy11:33
blackflowsveinse: wait, is there a difference between the two now in 17.10?11:33
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obr7tomreyn: Cool but I want all (online and offline) nameservers. Maybe I have to use head file.11:33
sveinseblackflow: yes. or wait, perhaps not. Let me check11:33
blackflowsveinse: 17.10 "regular ubuntu" is gnome now.11:34
tomreynobr7: sorry, i just don't know, never tried.11:34
obr7tomreyn: np thx11:34
pagiosblackflow, dpkg -l | grep gst shows https://pastebin.com/gVHBfHjr11:34
tomreyntheparadoxer02: did this help you understand the issue and how to solve it?11:35
blackflowpagios: your previous pastebin was "apt-get remove libgstreamer1.0-0*". You don't have that installed. it's not in the dpkg -l output you posted.11:36
pagiosblackflow, check my https://pastebin.com/gVHBfHjr11:36
pagiosi wanna remove all!!11:36
blackflowpagios: all WHAT exactly? libgstreamer packages?11:37
sveinseblackflow: yes, your're right. I couldn't select adwaita as application themes to get global dark windows with ubuntu out of box. But when I installed gnome-session, I get it in both gnome and ubuntu sessions. So it was a package dependency which installs the adwaita app theme which I was missing in the first place. adwaita-icon-theme-full perhaps11:38
sveinseWith this, I don't see any reason to favor gnome session over a ubuntu session11:39
pagiosblackflow, yea11:39
blackflowsveinse: is the "gnome" session vanilla one? default ubuntu installation does some minor tweaks, like the dock, to make it closer to what unity was. but otherwise it's gnome3 proper.11:40
blackflowpagios: I don't understand your issue. You seem to be having a problem installing "snappy" package (which ubuntu is that, btw?). But to answer your question, you can do it with this command:11:40
blackflowpagios: but be very careful with that, it's very destructive. If you remove something you shouldn't have, you'll be in a pickle.11:41
tomreynpagios: which ubuntu release is this?11:41
blackflowpagios: dpkg -l | grep libgstreamer | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' | xargs apt remove11:41
blackflowpagios: prefix "apt" with sudo, read the output and if you're sure about removal of those packages, hit Yes.11:42
DarkMioI'm looking for someone that has experience with audio setups and/or RME cards on general linux systems11:43
DarkMiobasic problem is to control a quadaphonic or 7.1 audio channel setup onto specific RME outputs.11:43
tomreynblackflow: i think there'll be no prompt if you pipe into apt.11:44
blackflowtomreyn: I think you have to add -y for that, now that oyu mention it. mind you, this could've been done with dpkg-query instead of awk, but I'm lazy :)11:45
blackflow*with dpkg-query pattern options11:45
tomreynblackflow: if you pipie into apt it will take input (the the Y/N prompt) from what you piped. hopefully there's no "y" character in there ;)11:48
blackflowtomreyn: but uh, that command is not piping into apt?11:48
blackflowit's piping into xargs11:48
tomreynblackflow: oh crap you're right, sorry.11:49
tomreynand sorry about the wroding there.11:50
tomreynDarkMio: i guess your best chance to get answers to specific audio questions will be around the support channels provided by the "pulseaudio" and "linux audio" projects. it's possible (i have not checked, use !alis for this purpose) that they have support channels on Freenode.11:52
tomreyn(they most likely have mailing lists.)11:53
theparadoxer02after i did do release_update, and ran sudo apt-get udpate, i am getting this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/26416107/11:55
clifferphpmyadmin is complaining about missing mysqli. but php7.1-mysql is installed, however phpinfo() does not show mysql or mysqli. where to check11:55
tomreyncliffer: which webserver are you using and how are you running php?11:57
cliffertomreyn: nginx and i'm using php-fpm11:57
motaka2Hi, what ever software I want to install in ubuntu 16.4  is ending to this error:  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/915c99d1f312ad4a2d5fa741c69aef2811:59
cliffercommand phpenmod mysqli gives: WARNING: Module mysqli ini file doesn't exist under /etc/php/7.1/mods-available11:59
ubottuAlis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see "/msg Alis help list" or ask in #freenode. Example usage: "/msg Alis list http"11:59
tomreyncliffer: did you restart fpm? does the fpm pool provide the mysql(i) extension? is phpmyadmin actually compatible with this php version?11:59
cliffertomreyn: command phpenmod mysqli gives: WARNING: Module mysqli ini file doesn't exist under /etc/php/7.1/mods-available11:59
cliffertomreyn: i restarted nginx and php-fpm. it seems the extension is missing. i installed phpmyadmin from the repos but the missing extension seems to be the problem12:00
tomreyntheparadoxer02: when you say "do release_update" do you mean "do-release-upgrade"?12:01
DarkMiotomreyn: Thanks for the info12:02
blackflowcliffer: iirc mysqli is being deprecated. I dont' have a way to check right now, do you have a mysql entry in the mods-available directory?12:02
debouncerAlthough I install drives from both official Xerox website and the Ubuntu repository, when a document is printed, the printer goes to processing status and it never prints.12:03
debouncerWhat do you suggest to fix this?12:04
theparadoxer02@tomreyn yeah same thing i did `sudo do-release-upgrade`12:04
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theparadoxer02tomreyn yeah same thing i did `sudo do-release-upgrade`12:05
blackflowcliffer: k, I did a quick test in a container. installing php-mysql on 17.10 installs and enables mysqli just fine.12:06
debouncerI also removed and reinstall the driver, This didn't also work.12:06
blackflowcliffer: so you mention php 7.1. Is this ubuntu 17.10 or an older one? How are you installing php there?12:06
tomreyntheparadoxer02: did you do the preparatory steps before initiating the release upgrade as documented on the eolupgrades page, though?12:07
tomreyntheparadoxer02: the output you provided looks as if you did not, or missed one or more steps12:07
sveinseI haven't paid any attention to the development of unity lately, but what happened with it? And is the move to gnome a permanent one?12:09
ubottuUnity is a graphical shell for the GNOME desktop environment. Ubuntu used it by default from 11.04 to 17.04. For more information, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity12:09
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tomreynsveinse: sorry, this looks outdated12:10
theparadoxer02tomreyn: okay, let me check again12:10
akiksveinse: you can use unity in 16.04 until 2021. after that the future is uncertain. there is some group that tries to keep it alive12:13
tomreynsveinse: the so my understanding is that unity is now a community maintained project, canonical is no longer developing it. there should be a blog post by their CEO on it somewhere, and many news reports, too (if you search the web). it's my understanding that the move to the gnome desktop (but modified to look and behave similar to unity) is going to remain for now.12:13
sveinsetomreyn: thanks (and of personal opinion: good, since I've always been using gnome shell)12:15
akiksveinse: http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/canonical-on-path-to-ipo-as-ubuntu-unity-linux-desktop-gets-ditched12:15
kostkonsveinse, only time will tell that's for sure12:16
sveinsekostkon: sure. things evolve. they always do.12:16
kostkonsveinse, yes canonical will become a public company soon(?) will see how ti goes from there12:17
theparadoxer02tomreyn: i tried the steps, still that did not work12:18
tomreyntheparadoxer02: what's the output?12:19
theparadoxer02for sudo apt-get update ?12:19
tomreyntheparadoxer02: yes12:19
sveinseIs there a way to setup apt to auto tag dependencies as automatic, making autoremove effective?12:20
sveinseI'm using aptitude (still) to manage this because of its automatic handling. But I don't really want to12:20
theparadoxer02tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26416206/12:21
theparadoxer02i paste end ending of the logs12:21
theparadoxer02tomreyn: i am rebooting system, will meet you in a sec12:22
TJ-theparadoxer02: the error is because the mirror archive no longer contains zesty since it's no longer supported; you'd need to replace the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list with http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu12:22
tomreyni assume s/he must have done so since it says so on the wiki12:23
tomreynat least on sources.list12:23
TJ-tomreyn: I may have missed a later pastebin12:25
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tomreynTJ-: the latest paste was https://paste.ubuntu.com/26416206/ (partial 'apt-get update' output). it shows that zesty sources are still configured. it does not show that sources of a different release are (or are not) configured also.12:28
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ubottuA netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit12:28
thepardoxer02i am still getting the same bug while upgrading ubuntu12:29
tomreyntheparadoxer02: can you provide the address returned by: apt-cache policy | pastebinit12:29
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TJ-tomreyn: thanks. So which release is currently running/installed, do we know?12:30
tomreynTJ-: no, it was not discussed, yet12:30
tomreynand you're welcome :)12:30
TJ-thepardoxer02: tomreyn: OK, because if this is an attempt to upgrade /from/ 17.04 then /etc/apt/sources.list should be using http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu12:32
thepardoxer02TJ-: tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26416274/12:35
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tomreynTJ-: yes, that's what https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list states (and !eolupgrade points there)12:36
thepardoxer02tomreyn: any update ?12:43
karolyihey, did anyone notice the Release filed are missing from zesty?12:44
karolyieffortDee: The repository 'http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.12:44
karolyi E: The repository 'http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.12:44
geekyi am getting a screen to confirm my email every time i log to gmail, what could be wrong12:48
tomreynsorry, i got sidetracked12:50
tomreynoh, he left12:50
geekyanyone help me?12:53
geekyi am still here12:53
tomreyngeeky: that's not really an ubuntu support question, i'm afraid. maybe try to /join ##google12:54
geekyok thanks12:54
tomreynkarolyi: zesty is end of life (eol)12:55
geekythey don't seem to have a support channel here12:55
tomreyn!zesty | karolyi12:55
ubottukarolyi: Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and !eolupgrade12:55
tomreyngeeky: this does not make #ubuntu a google support channel, though. ;)12:56
geekyi am asking it in ##security12:56
ircfanwhat can i do so unity-tweak-tool pushes the settings?13:00
tomreynkarolyi: did this help then? do you know how to proceed?13:02
karolyitomreyn: I guess I'll have to upgrade to artful13:02
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tomreynkarolyi: yes, but it's not be as easy now as it was when zesty was still supported. you need to edit your sources.list file.13:03
tomreynkarolyi: /etc/apt/sources.list should be using http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu - check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading for details13:05
karolyitomreyn: I'm already gettings hints of it on my local dev machine (I've got a server too which will be a bit harder to upgrade), but I think I'll manage. so far I only got mariadb that's added from external sources13:05
karolyihuh, ok ...13:05
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karolyitomreyn: do-release-upgrade seems to be downloading the files on my local virtualmachine13:06
tomreynkarolyi: i guess you are using an archive mirror server which still has the zesty files available, then - meaning it's not in sync13:08
karolyitomreyn: I'm upgrading from zesty, so it's fairly recent13:09
TaxicletterHi peepz13:12
TaxicletterI'm using Ubuntu 17 and I would like to add a classic menu, I can't get used to the new thing.13:13
TaxicletterHow could I do that? Maybe also delete the new thing I don't like?13:13
yeatsTaxicletter: something like this?: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/ - also, use menulibre to edit menu items13:14
TaxicletterYeah, that's it!13:15
Taxiclettermenulibre is like alacarte, I guess?13:16
yeatsTaxicletter: yes13:16
tomreynkarolyi: yes, i guess it can work fine if you recently installed updates before it went EOL, too. just 30 minutes ago there was soemone else where running zesty who would have needed to manually edit thier sources.list since do-release-upgrade would not have worked there.13:16
yeatsTaxicletter: also probably worth using the tweak tool: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/gnome-tweak-tool/13:16
yeats(may already be installed - not sure)13:17
karolyitomreyn: yes, I've updated my dev local VM daily, and the server at least weekly or bi-weekly, I'll see how it works out. since the latter is an LXC, I'm a bit concerned thou13:17
TaxicletterThank you yeats!13:20
tomreynkarolyi: if i wanted to ensure it'll work, i'd follow the manual13:21
tomreynkarolyi: s/manual/available documentation/ , namely https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading13:22
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karolyitomreyn: I did read through on that, didn't really tell anything new but thx. I'm using do-release-updrade13:23
karolyitomreyn: my local machine just upgraded, works13:24
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a_AquilaHello, cq... dx...13:31
TJ-!ask | a_Aquila We're not on HAM radio now13:31
ubottua_Aquila We're not on HAM radio now: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience13:31
oliand wot13:33
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Guest99632and wot m813:34
Southern_GentlemTJ you may not be be some of us are13:35
blip99this just started happening, seemingly without reason:   E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file.13:42
blip99N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.13:42
blip99N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.13:42
blip99same issue with other repos13:42
blip99are ubuntu repo servers experiencing issues that somehow affect mirrors13:45
catmandohey all.13:51
catmandoi have a raw disc image that i need to convert to an ISO13:51
ndamajais un problem sur backbox13:52
ndamaerror install java13:52
tomreyn!zesty | blip9913:58
ubottublip99: Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and !eolupgrade13:58
tomreyn!eol | blip9913:58
ubottublip99: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades13:58
tomreyn!eolupgrade | blip9913:58
eraserpencilHI guys! If i have a calendar server setup on linode, how do i subscribe to it? I cant find the option anywhere on any email clients14:02
kzheraserpencil: which email clients?14:02
eraserpenciltrying lightning and korganizer14:03
tomreynrreck_: hopefully this isn't a password...14:12
rreck_LOL, it is just a troll14:13
rreck_you would know my passwords because they have pass and word in them14:13
harry8906what are all possible places where java_home is set in ubuntu?14:17
harry8906I have installed java 8 and still java_home returns -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle14:18
rreck_i guess in the rc file for the shell you are running14:18
rreck_and maybe /etc/environment14:18
harry8906I have checked those two, not in there14:19
brainwashsearch for it with grep14:19
rreck_maybe you can grep -r JAVA_HOME *14:19
Cheery_bMy ubuntu isn't booting today. Computer lists booting devices on the screen and then stops to the "GRUB"14:19
harry8906though there are files in /etc/profile.d folder, jdk.sh , where JAVA_HOME and some other variables were set, I have commented them out and restarted the machine, but still the java_home is being set to java714:20
Cheery_bI took live CD and went in, right now the thing's chrooted on the terminal14:20
Cheery_bThis kind of stuff has never happened before.. I wonder what's going on?14:20
Cheery_bwhere to even start looking what's wrong in here?14:21
rreck_rebooting the machine is a microsoft solution.  in linux your shell decides what is going on14:21
rreck_cheery_b: well either your grub got hosed or the thing it is trying to boot did14:21
harry8906well that is not fixing my problem14:21
rreck_harry you could just set it to whatever you want  and not worry about what is setting it incorrectly14:22
harry8906I ran that command - grep -r "JAVA_HOME", it says there are entries of java_home in /etc/enviroment and jdk.sh in folder /etc/profile.d14:22
rreck_personally i would just set it to what i wanted and not trace the spagetti of other people's implementation14:23
harry8906@reeck_ I have made entry in /etc/environment fiel for java 8, but still echo $JAVA_HOME ise set to java714:23
rreck_you have to restart the shell you are using14:23
rreck_or source /etc/environment14:24
harry8906restarted the whole machine, didn't work :D14:24
harry8906restarted the whole machine, didn't work :(14:24
rreck_yeah well that is  witchcraft14:24
rreck_that wont do jack for this14:24
rreck_just set it to what you want right now in ~/.bashrc14:24
rreck_or explicited at the command prompt14:25
rreck_those other approaches are to make the change persistant14:25
harry8906will try editing ~/.bashrc14:25
rreck_just do EXPORT JAVA_HOME="/the/place/I/want"14:26
rreck_oh i assuming you are running something on the command line14:26
rreck_i dont click on things14:26
rreck_yes, if you are running something by clicking on it, maybe it has some startup files14:27
Cheery_bI remember having set up it such that it doesn't go through the boot window. I guess changing that would be the first step.14:27
Cheery_bany way to reset the /etc/default/grub ?14:27
rreck_cheery_b: you edit it and then commit your changes with some command i forget14:28
Cheery_byeah, but I don't remember the original file contents.14:28
rreck_there are a couple things going on14:28
rreck_first whether it is showing you what is going on14:28
rreck_second what the default is14:28
rreck_third the amount of time you have to make a decision during grub prompt14:28
rreck_so you basically have to recreate the boot line14:29
rreck_personallyi would boot to cdrom and the do some boot=/dev/sd?/mykernel14:29
rreck_there are some other incantations you can find on the web but that is the heart of it14:29
rreck_some other command bs depending on drivers for your video card if it is problematic14:30
rreck_then once you figure out the right line go edit grub14:31
rreck_otherwise you will be rinse lather repeat cycle14:31
rreck_which is painful but you will certainly learn the commands by heart14:31
rreck_the secret component on the boot line i have to learn repeatedly has some nodma or similar14:32
rreck_you know you need it when during boot it just goes blank and no more information14:32
hateballdo you mean nomodeset ?14:33
Cheery_bgot to run initramfs to see whether it's that.14:43
Cheery_bI got 4.4 kernels and 4.10, 4.11, 4.13 kernels.. why?14:43
Cheery_bthe current kernel would seem to be 4.4-10914:44
Gaerandir90what's the name of the lower centered menu, like mac14:49
MonkeyDustGaerandir90  in which DE?14:50
widpI am on 16.04, does adding the kxstudio repos cause any problems?14:51
KingsyI have a bluetooth headset which is working great however can you get linux to respond to pause, volume up etc functions from the headset?14:52
blingrangGaerandir90, CairoDock? https://www.glx-dock.org/14:52
Gaerandir90yesssssssssssss blingrang thanks for you14:53
widpI've seen this post. https://askubuntu.com/questions/256760/can-i-install-cadence-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-x86-machine14:55
widpAlthough it only talks about the ppa which no longer exist, I think.14:56
widpSo I decided to add the repos.14:56
catmandoquestion: how can I convert a raw disk image to an iso on the command line?14:57
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widpcatmando: use dd14:57
zomaarcatmando: In general I think you'd mount the image and then run mkisofs on the tree14:57
widpoh sorry, didn't read the question properly.14:58
catmandozomaar: thanks, shall do some reading14:58
catmandowidp: no worries14:58
kostkon!info bchunk | catmando, maybe14:59
ubottucatmando, maybe: bchunk (source: bchunk): CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-12+deb8u1build0.17.10.1 (artful), package size 12 kB, installed size 33 kB14:59
tomreyncatmando: you'll end up with an iso which can be written to optical media, but not booted from.14:59
catmandotomreyn: hmm, interesting point15:00
tomreyncatmando: i'm not sure whether this was your goal so i just though i'd point it out.15:00
catmandoit makes sense though15:00
catmandohow would it be, it's a dump of a disk15:01
catmandonot an installer15:01
tomreynalso, here, too, size matters15:01
catmandoit's 20G15:02
NoYzE1mkisofs works fine15:02
tomreynwill probably not fit on a dvd ;)15:02
catmandothis is to get an image mounted on virtual drive on a power machine so that I can then create copies of it15:03
catmandoso booting from the "iso" is not an issue15:03
NoYzE1i used it many times and tools working with iso are happy with it15:03
catmandoNoYzE1: thanks!15:03
NoYzE1i created iso's from files to get them to mount inside virtualbox to install the files without exposition to the host15:04
NoYzE1mkisofs worked great for this15:04
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NoYzE1but i can't remember exactly if you want it to be read as a cd-rom you may need to use -J (joliet-fs) as parameter15:05
elli0thello guys15:05
NoYzE1hey there15:05
zomaarCan also just use udf I think15:05
zomaarMore like the new standard15:05
tomreyncatmando: if the goal is just to make it available as a storage on virtualbox then no conversion is needed.15:05
zomaarhello billy15:06
catmandotomreyn: not virtualbox, an IBM power machine using FC storage15:06
tomreyncatmando: oh, sorry, i mixed up what you and NoYzE1 said.15:07
Tadtsured_hi guys! Does anyone here know why a pip installation of h5py fails for python 3, but a systemwide install using apt succeeds?15:11
zomaarTadtsured_: I assume you would have some error message?15:11
zomaarTadtsured_: Does it try to compile a python-C bridge?15:12
NoYzE1have you tried pip3?15:14
NoYzE1there are 2 versions of pip15:14
NoYzE1pip and pip315:14
NoYzE1pip tries to install python2 packages15:14
NoYzE1also some packages have python3 in its name15:15
tomreynunless you really need to , i would always try not to mix systemwide apt / pip installations. i use pip just for the user context, apt for the system.15:15
NoYzE1so you can install python2 packages with pip3 and python3 packages with the 3-keyword it's a little messy15:15
NoYzE1but the python packaging is like the language, a little chaotic and ruled by convention :P15:16
tomreynhello __rob15:16
__robtrying to install nodejs but cant run their setup script15:18
__robsudo curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_6.x | sudo -E bash15:18
__robproblem I get is with apt : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26416937/15:18
ubottuUbuntu Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) was the 25th release of Ubuntu.  Support ended on July 20th, 2017. See !eol, !eolupgrade and https://ubottu.com/y/yakkety15:19
__robyea, ok, so I tried to do-release-upgrade15:19
__robit says its not supported15:19
tomreyn!eolupgrade | __rob15:19
ubottu__rob: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades15:19
zomaar__rob: You have to change your sources file to old-releases.ubuntu.com15:19
zomaar__rob: For Yakkety15:20
__robso I should have been upgrading more regularly ?15:20
zomaar__rob: If it tries to install new packages from the existing Yakkety set, you just need to update your sources to the new location15:20
zomaar__rob: They were moved yesterday15:20
zomaar__rob: Together with Zesty15:21
tomreyn__rob: you should have done a release upgrade while ubuntu 16.10 was still supported.15:21
Tadtsured_zomaar nope. the pip install seems to complete without error, but I still get an import error when I try to include it in a python script15:21
zomaarTadtsured_: Some people recommended using pip3 instead of pip15:22
zomaar__rob: If you really want to upgrade you can probably just point your sources and do a dist-upgrade but there might be some manual changes you would need to fix15:23
Tadtsured_same results.15:23
NoYzE1Tadtsured_ which package is it?15:23
Tadtsured_what is interesting is that, even when I install it with pip3, it seems to be installing the python 2.7.1 version15:24
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NoYzE1are you sure there is a python3 version of it? you said it worked with apt-get?15:24
rreck_hateball: yes15:25
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Tadtsured_it does work with apt-get. the official pypi page shows it is only released for 2.7.1 though. I guess my main question is why does installing it through apt seem to work. I dont really understand what is going on15:26
tomreyn__rob: your ubuntu has been without security updates since at least July 20, 2017 - if you used it in the meantime, there's an increased chance it got compromised. also, you're two releases behind. so you might want to also consider a fresh installation.15:26
zomaar__rob: You understood what I meant right?15:27
NoYzE1well it was packaged into pypi with 2.715:28
NoYzE1and not 315:29
NoYzE1but it doesn't mean it is not available for 315:29
NoYzE1there is anaconda mentioned and also a github page15:29
NoYzE1maybe it found it's way from there into apt-get15:29
NoYzE1pip has many packages but not all15:30
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Tadtsured_interesting. That makes sense - though its been around for long enough that its odd that there isnt a pip package for 3 yet. Next question then - I have my project in a virtualenv - is there any way to include the apt version in the venv without doing a systemwide install?15:30
NoYzE1if you install it via apt it will go in some directory15:31
NoYzE1you can copy it from there15:31
Tadtsured_ok hella. Ty guys!15:32
__robzommar, yes15:33
__robnot sure I can be bothered to reconfigure everything tho15:34
__robeasier to upgrade if that works15:34
widpHow do I setup pulseaudio with jack?15:34
widpI am trying to get my microphone working while supercollider is running.15:35
widp*Mic working with firefox while Supercollider runs.15:36
zomaar__rob: You have to go to /etc/apt/sources.list and change all occurances of xx.archive.ubuntu.com with old-releases.ubuntu.com and then save15:36
widpI was told to have this running, I would need the jack module for pulseaudio. What is this and how do I set it up?15:36
zomaar__rob: Then you can run your script again and you're done15:37
aayanwhy am i not being able to install some of the third party software15:37
__robright, i've created a new sources.list with the content of the url above15:37
nicomachusaayan: can you be a bit more specific please?15:37
__robmoved the old one15:37
aayanplease help??15:37
nicomachusaayan: what software are you trying to install, how are you installing it, and what error are you seeing? Please use screenshots posted to imgur.com or pastes posted to paste.ubuntu.com to show us.15:38
__robonly thing, whats the difference is the kernel versions on the update page15:38
__robgeneric and server15:39
aayanusing synaptic packet manager15:39
__robunder the "Kernel" step15:39
aayani am trying to install third party software15:39
widpI NEED SUPPORT!15:39
__robeither way, it cant find them when I run "sudo aptitude install linux-image-server linux-headers-server"15:40
nicomachuswidp: nowhere for you, if you keep using all caps like that. be patient.15:40
nicomachusaayan: what third party software?15:40
siva_machinaaptitude? people still use that15:40
aayanadobe acrobat15:40
siva_machinawhat year is it?15:40
zomaar__rob: I have no idea15:40
nicomachusaayan: you cannot install adobe acrobat in ubuntu.15:40
widpok, I'll wait15:41
nicomachussiva_machina: if you don't have a support question please kindly shut up.15:41
zomaar__rob: But there are no new kernels for Yakkety15:41
nicomachusyakkety is EOL15:41
aayanjava is also not installing15:41
__robright, just following hte steps on that page15:42
__robfor upgrading15:42
widpnicomachus: Do I think I would have more luck at the ubuntu irc server?15:42
aayanwhenever i try to install from software boutique15:42
ubuntu-strugglerWhat's the best way to install Ubuntu on a motherboard that seems to only have USB 3.0 ports? Error message that I assume is blaming the USB 3.0 ports: "Error when installing: “unable to find a medium containing a live file system.” I've searched for quite a while, and the most promising solution seems to be by FatChan101 here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/511893/how-to-fix-initramfs-unable-to-find-a-medium-containing15:42
ubuntu-strugglerHow do I edit "syslinux.cfg (or isolinux.cfg)"?15:43
zomaarwipd: Why don't you just google for pulseaudio and jack if no one here knows?15:43
JTechI'm working on getting wireless working on a laptop, that suddenly stopped working.15:43
nicomachusaayan: you can install java from command line with 'sudo apt install openjdk'15:43
JTechI got the "enable networking" to be not greyed out by typing killall nm-applet && nm-applet --sm-disable15:43
JTechbut still no wireless networks are listed.15:44
BillD73i have setup and paired my phone to my old laptops bluetooth connection but cannot seem to successfully send images to it. ubuntu not even acknowledging the incoming transfer. phone simply says not sent, connection unsuccessful15:44
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Not sure what you're trying to do, but syslinux.cfg is usually located in the /boot/syslinux directory.15:44
widpIs this the only channel for support?15:44
nicomachusBillD73: do you need to use bluetooth to send? I've never even tried sending files over bluetooth, not sure where to start15:45
siva_machinaaayan Oracle Java or the opensource Java?15:45
nicomachuswidp: yes, but it's a bit busy at the moment as you can see15:45
aayansorry sir but using command line to install a software feels little bit diffcult15:45
ubuntu-struggler@squelingcode I'm simply trying to install Ubuntu onto a computer that doesn't have USB 2.0 ports.15:45
aayanis any other method that you can suggest?15:45
nicomachusaayan: then search synaptic for openjdk, I don't care15:45
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: OK - what errors do you experience during install?15:45
BillD73not really jsut thought it would be convienent. I'm asuming I need to find some kinda "auth" failure for the bluetooth mac address15:45
zomaarsquealingcode: The initrd is not loaded15:46
nicomachusBillD73: you can check dmesg or /var/log/syslog for errors15:46
BillD73nicomachus: ok  sorrry forgot to put your name up there15:46
squealingcodeOK - so you're loading it over the network? Or DVD/CD?15:46
nicomachuswidp: first attempt at google: https://askubuntu.com/questions/572120/how-to-use-jack-and-pulseaudio-alsa-at-the-same-time-on-the-same-audio-device15:46
aayansynaptic package manager can i use?15:46
squealingcodeIf you use CD/DVD it sounds like bad install media ubuntu-struggler15:47
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: after booting from the USB thumb drive, the Ubuntu logo displays then goes to a black screen with "Error when installing: “unable to find a medium containing a live file system” and no further input is accepted15:47
tomreynaayan: if this is a general question, then the answer is "probably yes".15:47
nicomachusubuntu-struggler: are you sure your PC is booting from the drive, and are you sure that the drive has an .iso file on it?15:47
aayanopensource java15:47
nicomachustomreyn: he's trying to install java15:48
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squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: You say it doesn't have USB 2.0 ports, so do you use USB 3.0 for booting?15:48
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: yes, I believe all USB ports on this motherboard are USB 3.015:48
nicomachusoof. I've had trouble with live media on 3.0 ports. don't ask me why.15:48
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: It's not booting from the HDD, I get the Ubuntu menu that let's me choose "Install.. etc"15:49
widpnicomachus: I did. I found the option to either use cadence or qjackctl.15:49
aayanit takes too long time to get a packaged installed in my system15:49
widpthe repos didn't have cadence, which was supposed to be the easier method. I'll check this out.15:49
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: OK, but are you using a USB 3.0 thumb drive? Have you tried a different thumbdrive?15:49
tomreynaayan: do you want to develop / compile java software or do you just want to run it?15:50
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: I am using a USB 2.0 thumb drive..... that's the cause?15:50
squealingcodeEither it's bad install media, or the thumbdrive "disappears" cause of missing drivers before kernel can grab initrd15:50
nicomachuswidp: you can search for a PPA15:50
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aayanjust run it15:50
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Nah, you should be fine. But are you absolutely sure that your computer does not have any USB 2.0 ports? Do you have a CD you can use to install?15:50
tomreynaayan: then you can install the openjdk-jre package15:50
widpnicomachus: hmmm, I was going get it from kxstudio repos, but I wasn't sure if adding that would mess things up.15:50
nicomachussquealingcode: s/CD/DVD15:51
zomaarsquealingcode: It could even be the filesystem.squashfs it is complaining about but initrd seems more logical15:51
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: I could put a CD/DVD reader in there to use temporarily, but that's troublesome15:51
nicomachuswidp: if it installs, then good. but just be aware that this channel can't support anything that's not in the official repos.15:51
aayanfrom where will i get that openjdk-jre package?15:51
squealingcodezomaar: Yup, read the error message over again, and it's likely that kernel and initrd gets grabbed, but it cannot find the thumbdrive containg the squashfs15:51
widpgot it. Sorry if I was being a dick earlier.15:51
widpreally appreciate the help.15:51
zomaarSo it cannot mount it15:52
nicomachusaayan: for god's sake, open a terminal and type "sudo apt install openjdk-7-jre" and you're done.15:52
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: one second, let me grab the model of the motherboard to make certain these are all 3.0 ports15:52
nicomachusubuntu-struggler: just look at them. if they're blue, they're 3.015:52
BillD73nicomachus: os i pulled up /var/log/syslog... last entry was 11 minutes ago. after I got them paired. attempted a new transfer to ubuntu and pulled up the log again, same entry 11 mins ago15:52
zomaarubuntu-struggler: What Ubuntu version are you installing?15:52
nicomachusBillD73: try checking 'dmesg | tail' right after the transfer15:53
tomreynaayan: it may also be called openjdk-7-jre or openjdk-8-jre or openjdk-9-jre, depending on the ubuntu version you run. you can install these packages via synaptic.15:53
zomaarsquealingcode: Yeah I read it over in my mind ;-)15:53
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: You could try download the Ubuntu mini-ISO. It does not use a squashfs. Rather, it downloads all packages as they're needed for the install.15:53
lhzwhere has the dist/zesty folder gone on all the package repo servers? i'm sitting on a 17.04 system that I can no longer update, apparently.15:53
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: Motherboard model: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-970A-D3P-rev-10#ov15:53
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: That could probably work15:53
ubuntu-strugglerI have tried Ubuntu 14.04 and the new 17.xxx15:53
tomreynaayan: please mention my nickname, tomreyn, when you address me, so i won't miss your responses.15:53
nicomachus!eolupgrade > lhz15:53
ubottulhz, please see my private message15:53
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Yup, but try the mini ISO instead.15:53
zomaarlhz: exchange xx.archive.ubuntu.com with old-releases.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list15:54
nicomachuszomaar: please let him follow the instructions that ubottu sent. :)15:54
zomaarThat page is outdated nicomachus, it hasn't been updated since 12.04 or so15:55
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: btw the two USB ports under your Ethernet-connector should be USB 2.015:55
squealingcodeThe blue ones are USB 3.015:55
lhzubottu, zomaar: thanks. didn't even know there was a newer release available yet (17.10 was pulled, right?)15:55
ubottulhz: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)15:55
aayanthnx @nicomachus15:55
lhzhow do you think *I* feel then? :P15:55
zomaarNo 17.10 is up again15:55
lhzok, thanks!15:55
BillD73nicomachus: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26417130/15:56
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: You can find the mini ISOs here. Download the release you want and reflash your thumbdrive with it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD15:56
lhzsitting in a cabin on mobile network though, so dist upgrade is not an option right now.15:56
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: Thank you for the suggestion, I'll give the mini ISO a try... are you sure that only the blue ports are 3.0? I've tried the white ports too15:56
Southern_Gentlemyes only the blue ports are usb315:57
zomaarlhz: Direct answer to your question is that they have been moved to old-releases15:57
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Traditionally USB 3.0 are marked blue, while USB 2.0 is usually black/dark coloured.15:57
LearnerwindHey. I am using a virt-manager in debian with xenial. I am having problems with git, add-apt-repository and npm. Could someone give me some hint?15:57
nicomachusBillD73: yea, nothing useful there.15:57
tomreynzomaar: what's outdated about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades ? sure it contains references to old verison numbers and release names, but is there something actually wrong in there?15:57
BillD73nicomachus: ikr15:57
nicomachusLearnerwind: this is not a debian support channel, sorry. This is Ubuntu only.15:57
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Sounds good, give the mini iso a try and tell us how it went:)15:58
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: hmm, maybe I plugged them into the wrong slot and didn't notice. I'll try one more time with the boot stick I have then give the usb minial iso a try.15:58
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: thanks again!15:58
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: np, good luck:)15:58
Southern_Gentlemnicomachus, they said ubuntu in a vm15:58
fishcookerhow to enable the key again after do $ xmodmap -e 'keycode 72='15:59
squealingcodeLearnerwind: Are you having trouble with add-apt-repository in the Ubuntu VM?15:59
nicomachusSouthern_Gentlem: sometimes I read too fast.15:59
squealingcodeHave you installed the software-properties common package?15:59
Learnerwindnicomahus: The I am using ubuntu in a virtal machine and i am having problems uding git, npm and add-apt-repository. Could someone help me?15:59
Learnerwindsquealingcode: Yes15:59
nicomachusLearnerwind: can you explain the problems?15:59
leftyfbLearnerwind: your issue is setting up proper networking within your VM. That is a debian issue.15:59
squealingcodeOk, what problems are you having (on the Ubuntu installation)?15:59
Southern_Gentlemnicomachus, after rereading it again maybe i read it wrong15:59
squealingcodeThis is not a Debian support channel, so please stick to questions about the Ubuntu installation.16:00
LearnerwindAll these problems show errors16:00
LearnerwindAll these programs show errors16:00
leftyfbLearnerwind: your issue is setting up proper networking within your VM. That is a debian issue.16:00
leftyfbLearnerwind: you need to get proper networking setup for your VM on the debian host. It has little to do with the Ubuntu installation. Once you have networking setup, the ubuntu install will more than likely just work16:01
squealingcodeIf you're using VBox, you should check that you're networking is set to either NAT or bridge it with your physical network adapter. Other than that, I would refer you to the VBox or Debian channels.16:01
LearnerwindIt is NAT16:01
LearnerwindIs there any virt-manager channel?16:02
leftyfbLearnerwind: within the Ubuntu guest, can you ping your router?16:02
squealingcodeOk, but the troubles you are having are network related, right?16:02
LearnerwindI cam ping google and wget16:02
squealingcodeOk, so you're able to browse the web etc in the vm?16:02
leftyfbLearnerwind: you can ping google.com ?16:02
Learnerwindwith dns16:02
leftyfbLearnerwind: what version of ubuntu are you running within the VM?16:03
squealingcodeOk, great.16:03
TomyWorki want to confirm an issue with debian package management in ubuntu. what's the earliest release based on about the same package versions as debian stretch?16:03
LearnerwindLinux Miner-server 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux16:03
leftyfbLearnerwind: ok, paste yo pastebin the errors you get when you run: apt-get update16:03
LearnerwindNo errors in apt-get16:03
leftyfbok, what about add-apt-repository?16:03
LearnerwindI will pastebin it16:04
TomyWorkLearnerwind thanks. the issue is present on ubuntu 16.04 as well16:04
leftyfbTomyWork: Learnerwind is having their own issue and was not responding to you16:04
TomyWorkoh, but the reply helped nonetheless :D16:04
TomyWorkanyway, apt-mark hold is broken16:04
tomreynTomyWork: I think Learnerwind was not responding to you. i suggest you compare ubuntu and debian release dates and then versions of some packages.16:05
squealingcodeTomyWork: I believe Learnerwind was answering another question, but I'd agree that 16.04 and up are the most equal to strretch16:05
LearnerwindI was using add-apt-repository to add a repository that i added manually. I will find some to use as example16:05
BillD73nicomachus: foudn it i hope  trying it out in a sec https://2buntu.com/articles/1410/receiving-files-via-bluetooth-on-ubuntu/16:05
zomaarTomyWork: For PHP you have Xenial with Stretch but in other respects you can probably better compare with Yakkety or Zesty16:06
zomaarTomyWork: I would say Xenial is more like Jessie, but a bit ahead16:06
tomreynTomyWork: ubuntu release information is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases16:06
nicomachustomreyn: "apt-mark hold is broken"........ how?16:06
nicomachuserr.. TomyWork not tomreyn ^16:07
TomyWorknicomachus hrm, actually it's only somewhat broken16:07
nicomachusstupid tab complete can't read my mind yet16:07
nicomachusTomyWork: that still gives me absolutely zero info to help you16:07
BillD73nicomachus: that worked. Now just got to figure out how to tell ubuntu exactly where I want the files put lol16:07
TomyWorkon my fresh stretch box, holds get removed by subsequent installs16:08
nicomachusBillD73: I usually just let it put files wherever it wants and then move them.16:08
nicomachusTomyWork: "stretch box"?16:08
leftyfbTomyWork: that is a debian issue. Please consult #debian16:08
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BillD73nicomachus: to much clutter lol16:08
zomaarleftyfb: He was comparing with Ubuntu and saying it was the same on Ubuntu16:08
JTechhow do I install a different wireless driver? someone reported they fixed their issue by installing it, but I can't find out how. it's not purely firmware, is it? it's a BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#brcmsmac_driver_.28Open-source.2916:09
TomyWorknicomachus debian 9 stretch16:09
leftyfbzomaar: then why are they mentioning "on my fresh stretch box"?16:09
zomaarleftyfb: He was not asking for support, nicomachus inquired about his problem16:09
nicomachusJTech: what is your current driver? and what driver are you wanting to install?16:09
TomyWorkon xenial, apt-mark behaved a bit weirdly, then returned to normal16:09
nicomachusTomyWork: sounds like you're all set then.16:10
leftyfbLearnerwind: please paste the entire command and output of your issue with add-apt-repository16:10
LearnerwindI am waiting to the add-repository give up and show the error message16:10
TomyWorki did apt-mark hold mc; apt-mark hold kate16:10
TomyWorkapt-mark showhold showed only kate16:10
JTechnicomachus, currently using Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver source from bcmwl-kernel-source (open source)16:10
nicomachusJTech: can you please paste the output of 'sudo lshw -C network' to a pastebin and link here?16:10
JTechnicomachus, and I'm trying to get brcmsmac driver instead.16:10
TomyWorknicomachus i dont think i'm all set, no. it shouldn't behave this way16:10
TomyWorklike, ever16:11
nicomachusTomyWork: well if you're on debian, maybe ask the guys and gals at #debian16:11
TomyWorknicomachus yeah already did, just wanted to see if i can reproduce the issue on ubuntu16:11
TomyWorkand, in part, i can16:12
JTechnicomachus, https://pastebin.com/eK1PXBH616:12
altaiirHello, I need help causes with irssi on ubuntu 16.04 I can scroll up in shell-console but not in the gui-terminal16:13
nicomachusJTech: you currently have no driver installed at all, so just do 'sudo apt install brcmsmac'16:13
LearnerwindHere it is16:13
JTechnicomachus, oh, thank you.16:13
JTechdo I need to restart to get wireless drivers working?16:14
TomyWorki'm willing to wager it's the same issue on xenial and stretch, just different levels of expression16:14
Learnerwindgit also show errors16:14
EriC^^altaiir: try 'page up'16:14
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: are you still here?16:14
nicomachusJTech: nope. did it install?16:14
TomyWorkluckily it's worse on upstream, so one can hope for a more complete fix :)16:14
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Yes, I am here :)16:14
JTechnicomachus, it installed. but no change to network listings. :(16:14
nicomachusJTech: after it installs, 'sudo modprobe brcm80211'16:14
altaiirHello, I need help causes with irssi on ubuntu 16.04 I can scroll up in shell-console but not in the gui-terminal16:15
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: yay, this time I can get to the Select Language menu in the minimal install but the keyboard seems to stop responding (or maybe everything has frozen, I can't really tell the difference)16:15
nicomachusaltaiir: try #irssi16:15
NoYzE1page up and down?16:15
NoYzE1without shift16:15
NoYzE1or alt16:15
NoYzE1works in console for me16:15
nicomachusNoYzE1: that should be it, yea. but altaiir should ask in #irssi16:15
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: do I need a PS2 keyboard?16:15
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Have you tried connecting the keyboard to some of the other USB-ports?16:15
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: No, that should not be necessary. Hm...16:16
altaiirnicomachus: 'k thanks, bye #ubuntu16:16
NoYzE1nicomachus oh ok ;)16:16
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Never had that much trouble installing Ubuntu :-P My only advice is to reboot and try loading up the installer once again.16:16
ubuntu-strugglerI've done that step many times! haha16:17
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: haha, I can imagine ;-)16:17
tomreynthe way i parsed altaiir's question, scrolling works in irssi but not on the virtual terminal. if so, pointing to #irssi would be wrong.16:17
zomaarubuntu-struggler: If the kernel of the installer has trouble with your USB, the installed system will also16:17
JTechnicomachus, modprobe: FATAL: Module brcm80211 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic16:17
zomaarubuntu-struggler: In fact the kernel that is loaded is copied onto the installed system16:17
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Could you open your BIOS/UEFI settings and check if Legacy USB is enabled?16:17
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nicomachusJTech: and you're sure you installed it?16:18
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: if I install Ubuntu to a HDD on an AMD machine can I then put that HDD in this system? Will the ubuntu install care about different CPUs/motherboard components?16:18
ubuntu-strugglersquealingcode: I'll check bios again, I think everything it set to legacy already but maybe I missed something16:18
JTechnicomachus, crap. I shouldn't have messed with the driver settings to "not use this device" apply that, then cancel it when you told me to do that command. :(16:18
zomaarubuntu-struggler: If your USB is writable you can copy a new kernel in place if you want16:18
nicomachustomreyn: I'm in #irssi too so I can help either way, but it clears the clutter here.16:18
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: Not the best way, but it usually works, yes.16:18
tomreynnicomachus: well done! :)16:19
nicomachusJTech: https://askubuntu.com/questions/94021/how-do-i-get-the-broadcom-bcm4313-wireless-working-on-an-asus-1015px#9736816:19
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: I'm not sure what that means?16:19
zomaarubuntu-struggler: You can install on that other box indeed16:19
Learnerwindleftyfb: https://pastebin.com/MeFSgkT016:19
zomaarubuntu-struggler: You will need to upgrade the kernel of your installed system instantly to see if that will help with the USB16:19
tomreynLearnerwind: you are trying to add a non-existing (possibly no longer existing) PPA.16:20
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: do I do that through GRUB?16:20
zomaarubuntu-struggler: The kernel in /casper/vmlinuz.efi is the same as that in /boot/vmlinuz-....... on your installed system16:20
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: I think I can get into GRUB with the minimal install-- I wasn't able to with the full iso16:20
zomaarubuntu-struggler: If you can install the system you can upgrade the kernel also16:21
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: I'm sorry I'm not sure what your suggesting that I try, you're talking a little over my head16:22
zomaarubuntu-struggler: No I am sorry you cannot replace the kernel on the installer16:22
zomaarubuntu-struggler: I am just saying that Ubuntu will have an issue with your USB controller16:22
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: hmm, okay16:22
zomaarubuntu-struggler: Your USB is probably not even supported16:23
electricmilkWhat about installing with the alternative non-gui installer?16:23
squealingcodeThat's what he's doing.16:23
Learnerwindtomreyn: It is the same with all repositories16:23
zomaarubuntu-struggler: But if you install on the AMD system first you could upgrade your kernel and then maybe you are lucky16:23
squealingcodeIf you're responding to ubuntu-struggler16:23
LearnerwindAnd i also got that node problem16:23
JTechnicomachus, the 1st command won't run even after I install gksudo. gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf16:23
zomaarubuntu-struggler: Upgrading a kernel is standard operation16:24
tomreynLearnerwind: which ubuntu version do you run there?16:24
LearnerwindLinux Miner-server 4.4.0-109-generic #132-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 19:52:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux16:24
Learnerwindinside a vm16:24
__robzomaar, so I updated the source.list but it still won't do-release-upgrade16:24
__robwhat am I missing?16:24
zomaar__rob: That was for your real problem16:24
tomreynLearnerwind: lsb_release -ds16:24
JTechnicomachus, sorry. should I have clarified. I get a password window pop up, but it doesn't run anything after I type it in.16:25
zomaar__rob: do-release-upgrade won't ever work16:25
LearnerwindDo you know a ppa: that you are sure that exists?16:25
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: are you suggesting that I update the kernel on my USB thumb drive before booting from it?16:25
Learnerwindtomreyn: Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS16:25
zomaarubuntu-struggler: That was in error16:25
EriC^^__rob: from what to what are you trying to upgrade?16:26
__robright, so that url about upgrade from EOL says ypgrade kernel (which you say hasn't changed so this is not needed)16:26
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: Oh, well it sounds like a good idea16:26
__rob16.10 -> latest16:26
JTechoh I see my mistake. gedit isn't installed either.16:26
nicomachusJTech: you can use nano or ed or vim instead16:26
Learnerwindtomreyn: As I said above I am having problems running git, npm and add-apt-repository on a vm16:26
__robthe EOL url says to run16:26
nicomachusJTech: but gedit should be isntalled by default...16:26
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: alright, unless there are better ideas I'm going to see if this thing will boot Ubuntu from an already installed HDD...16:26
zomaarubuntu-struggler: You can't upgrade that kernel on the USB because you also need a new initrd.gz16:27
__robsudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo do-release-upgrade16:27
zomaarubuntu-struggler: You just need to install on another system and then hope for the best16:27
__robthe second fails on a missing package16:27
zomaarubuntu-struggler: I mean another motherboard16:27
__robE: Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/snapd-glib/snapd-login-service_1.2-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb  404  Not Found16:27
__robE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?16:27
tomreynLearnerwind: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-kernel-team/pti; sudo apt-get update16:28
ubuntu-strugglerzomaar: I'll give that a try! Thanks!16:28
zomaarubuntu-struggler: Yes16:28
__robmildly confused aswell, if dist-upgrade upgrades, why does the url suggest then to run do-release-upgrade16:29
__robshame is that this is the offical docs16:29
tomreynLearnerwind: the PPA you tried to use had not been maintained since many years, and was not available for / compatible to your ubuntu release.16:29
EriC^^__rob: that's the ubuntu way of upgrading, who knows16:29
__robyea, ok16:29
tomreynLearnerwind: if you just run "sudo apt-get update", do you get errors, too?16:29
__robso any idea on that missing package?16:30
zomaar__rob: What do you have in your sources.list now?16:30
LearnerwindI guess it is an ssl issue16:30
ubottuA dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention.16:30
zomaar__rob: old-releases can only be used to upgrade within Yakkety or to Zesty16:30
Learnerwindtomreyn: No, I guess it is an ssl issue16:30
tomreynLearnerwind: can you provide some error messages you get when something does not work?16:30
__robzomaar: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26417301/16:31
__robthis and only this16:31
__robwhich was suggested in EOL url16:31
Learnerwindtomreyn: It is hanging. When it outputs something i post here16:31
__robis do I have the correct values in sources.list?16:32
ubottuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade16:32
zomaar__rob: For within Yakkety, yes16:32
Learnerwindtomreyn: https://pastebin.com/if7ac3Ln16:32
LearnerwindSame error16:32
Learnerwindadd-apt-repository, node, and i faced some issues with git too16:32
sajanHas anyone installed Ubuntu on an Acer Laptop. I am continously being hounded by NO BOOTABLE DISK FOUND after repeated attempts16:33
__robzomaar: so when you say within Yakkety, you mean to the latest version before it was EOL ?16:33
zomaar__rob: Yeah16:33
__robif so, can I then upgrade from tha version to the latest?16:34
__robI dont mind doing multiple upgrades if thats the easiest path16:34
leftyfbLearnerwind: one issue at a time16:34
__robbut I want to be in a position where I can get updates etc..16:34
leftyfbLearnerwind: check the date/time on your VM. Is it correct?16:34
Learnerwindleftyfb: I guess they are the same issue16:34
akikshouldn't there be documentation in apt-get if your install goes stale, on how to update?16:35
zomaar__rob: Maybe someone else can help you with that16:35
zomaar__rob: I just wanted to help you fix this tiny problem16:35
tomreynLearnerwind: can you run this and tell us the URL it returns? : wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | pastebinit16:35
Learnerwindleftyfb: they are the same16:35
__robzommar: so the tiny problem being that I don't actually need to upgrade atall ?16:35
__robzommar: just need to update my source.list ?16:36
leftyfbLearnerwind: regardless, we stick with 1 troubleshooting path at a time16:36
zomaar__rob: You wanted to install that package; this was the solution for that16:36
__robok, you know what for now I will go back to doing that16:36
__robupgrade looks like a minefield16:36
leftyfbtomreyn: I don't think pastebinit is installed by default16:36
Learnerwindleftyfb: sure16:36
__robso for that, I just find and replace in my original sources.list ?16:36
EriC^^__rob: what have you done?16:37
zomaar__rob: You already did that16:37
EriC^^what were you trying to do, and what did you do?16:37
tomreynleftyfb: hmm, you are probably right, but then it will provide a helpful message on how to install it.16:37
zomaar__rob: You were already done except for that strange error16:37
__robwell I the original source.list had quite a few more urls, the one I pasted here (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26417301/) was replaced from that upgrade url16:37
nicomachusleftyfb: it's not, unfortunately. there's something you can do with termbin but I don't know the command16:38
__robI will paste my original source.list16:38
tomreyn| nc termbin.com 999916:38
Learnerwindtomreyn: Failed to contact the server: [Errno socket error] [SSL: SSLV3_ALERT_BAD_RECORD_MAC] sslv3 alert bad record mac (_ssl.c:645)16:38
nicomachustomreyn: that's it. :D16:38
leftyfbLearnerwind: is your date/time correct in the VM?16:39
zomaar__rob: Then just replace those values in your original16:39
__robthis is my original16:39
Learnerwindleftyfb: mine was16:39
zomaar__rob: Don't make it harder than it needs to be ;-).16:39
leftyfbLearnerwind: Is this machine going through a proxy?16:39
zomaar__rob: If you want a dist-upgrade to another distribution that can come after16:40
tomreynLearnerwind: hmm yes that'll be a bad middlebox16:40
zomaar__rob: That's a different support question you know.16:40
zomaar__rob: Focus ;-).16:40
Learnerwindleftyfb: I cant tell it. It is configured to nat. It it is a proxy I dont know how to tell16:40
__robright, ok16:40
__robso only the archive. urls repalced with old-releases.16:41
Learnerwindleftyfb: I tested the time with : ssh miner@ip date && date16:41
tomreynLearnerwind: can you run the same command on the host? do you receive a different message?16:41
__robas per your original suggestion ?16:41
Learnerwindleftyfb: same date16:41
zomaar__rob: Yes16:41
__robleave the rest alone?16:41
zomaar__rob: Yes16:41
Learnerwindtomreyn: Host is working fine16:41
LearnerwindI will run the command16:41
zomaar__rob: Unless there is also a security domain or something.16:41
leftyfbLearnerwind: the host might be fine, the guest might be fine, but the guest -> host -> internet might not be fine16:42
zomaar__rob: mirrors.online.net also16:42
zomaar__rob: Everything pointing to regular ubuntu mirrors16:42
Learnerwindleftyfb: What kind of issue: How to track and kill?16:42
leftyfbLearnerwind: Not sure. That would be the libvirt networking configuration on debian16:43
zomaar__rob: Everything has to become old-releases.ubuntu.com16:43
zomaar__rob: There are no mirrors anymore at this point16:43
zomaar__rob: Also change security with the same16:43
Learnerwindtomreyn: on the host ppastebint only outputs: http://paste.debian.net/16:44
nacczomaar: __rob: security is a bit different than the others, you go from security.ubuntu.com CODENAME to old-releases.ubuntu.com CODENAME-security16:44
leftyfbzomaar: __rob: understand that using old-releases.ubuntu.com as opposed to properly upgrading is a dead end. You will no longer get updates.16:45
tomreynLearnerwind: ok, i guess pastebinit is broken there. use this instead: wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 999916:45
squealingcodeubuntu-struggler: I'm going offline. Good luck with the installation, hope it works out:)16:45
leftyfbpastebinit is working fine for me16:45
ubuntu-strugglerI hope so too!16:46
naccleftyfb: sorry, just got here, but i was assumign they were doing an eol upgrade16:46
naccleftyfb: +1 on if not, they should not use it16:46
Learnerwindtomreyn: This netcat trick is new to me16:46
leftyfbnacc: old-releases is requires for an eol upgrade?16:46
naccleftyfb: yes16:46
naccleftyfb: well "required"16:46
naccif the user kept their system up to date, then no, it's not strictly required16:47
naccbut they let their system go eol without upgrading16:47
naccso the likelihood of that is lower :)16:47
leftyfbhm, didn't know that16:47
tomreynLearnerwind: just to confirm, on the Ubuntu 16.04 VM, this message "Failed to contact the server: [Errno socket error] [SSL: SSLV3_ALERT_BAD_RECORD_MAC] sslv3 alert bad record mac (_ssl.c:645)"  was the result of which command exactly?16:47
leftyfbof course, I never run non LTS :)16:47
naccleftyfb: old-releases gets the old release uptodate to the point it went eol; and then you do-release-upgrade from there16:47
LearnerwindThe one you sent to me16:47
zomaarnacc: Thanks for the correction16:47
naccleftyfb: so 'recommended', perhaps, than strictly required16:47
LearnerwindLearnerwind: can you run this and tell us the URL it returns? : wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | pastebinit16:47
nacczomaar: it's the easiest one to miss16:48
leftyfbnacc: I did have a hardy box running with old-releases forever just to not get errors and to be able to install a few packages here and there. It's since been shot dead, but not that long ago :)16:48
Learnerwindtomreyn: Learnerwind: can you run this and tell us the URL it returns? : wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | pastebinit16:48
naccleftyfb: yeah it's also used for that, but obviously that case isn't really supported here :)16:49
leftyfboh, don't I know it16:49
tomreynLearnerwind: thanks. can you run the variant with 'nc' on both the debian host and the ubuntu VM and report their outputs?16:49
__robzomaar, thanks does work now for installing node.js16:49
__robstill feel like I should be updating my release at some point16:49
tomreynLearnerwind: that's: wget -O /dev/null 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 999916:50
zomaar__rob: Now if you want to upgrade further you have to either upgrade to Zesty first or make the jump directly to Aardvark16:50
nacc__rob: immediately, you're insecure if you're actively using old-releases16:50
zomaar__rob: Although people here recommend to install anew of course16:50
Learnerwindtomreyn: ubuntu: http://termbin.com/q6x116:50
nacczomaar: i *believe* you have to go through 17.10 no matter what16:50
aayani want to sharee snapshot of an error respond is it possible?16:51
Learnerwindtomreyn: debian: http://termbin.com/y64i16:51
aayanto share here16:51
nicomachusaayan: upload to imgur.com and share the link here16:51
nacc!screenshots | aayan16:51
ubottuaayan: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imgur.com/ and link the created page here.16:51
nicomachusnacc: beatcha16:51
zomaarnacc: You mean through 17.04?16:51
nacczomaar: err, yeah, sorry, they are on 16.10??16:52
zomaarnacc: Yeah16:52
nacczomaar: they should just reinstall :)16:52
naccbeing two releases EOL, means they are not a good admin of their own system16:52
naccand should install LTS16:52
tomreynLearnerwind: okay, so this HTTP request works on both systems. what triggered the SSL error message was the attempt to post the result to the ubuntu pastebin. so let's test with that instead (instrcutions coming up).16:52
naccnicomachus: dang16:52
zomaarnacc: upgrading to Zesty probably has no benefit16:52
nicomachusnacc ++ on the reinstall of LTS16:52
zomaarnacc: do-release-upgrade doens't even work16:52
nacczomaar: hrm?16:53
nicomachuszomaar: because it's EOL....16:53
nacczomaar: i believe you will have to eol  upgrade yakkety -> zesty, then again zesty -> artful16:53
nacczomaar: the yakkety -> artful path would not be tested or necessarily work16:53
zomaarnicomachus: Maybe it failed because Zesty is now also in old-releases though16:53
leftyfbquicker/cleaner to just reinstall from scratch and restore from backup16:53
JTechnicomachus, oh. my mistake. I missed E: Unable to locate package brcmsmac16:53
nicomachusJTech: please double check the package name16:53
naccleftyfb: zomaar: especially because this *cannot* be a system they care about16:54
naccit hasn't received any updates for months16:54
zomaar__rob: do-release-upgrade might fail because the sources have also moved to old-releases16:54
zomaar__rob: For the upgrade you'd get16:54
endbossHi, does lubuntu contain any performance tweaks apart from shipping with LXDE and simpler applications by default? Is it anything that a regular ubuntu install can't be turned into via package installs/uninstalls?16:55
nicomachusendboss: nope, just a different de and applications16:55
nicomachusendboss: easy to convert a regular install.16:55
JTechnicomachus, oh, I see. hm. same problem. E: Unable to locate package brcm8021116:55
naccendboss: and config changes16:55
zomaarNot everyone is always in the position to upgrade16:56
zomaarIe. you might have been away for a year16:56
nacczomaar: ...16:56
zomaarOr locked up somewhere16:56
zomaarOr seriously ill16:56
JTechdid my internet go out?16:57
JTechhrm. nope.16:57
nicomachusJTech: the package is brcmsmac16:57
zomaarBesides upgrading can be a hassle really16:57
zomaarE.g. PHP5->7 and so on16:57
tomreynLearnerwind: try this on both systems:  wget -O/dev/null --debug 'https://paste.ubuntu.com/' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 999916:57
nacczomaar: if you're suggesting it's better to run an EOL release than to upgrade, i'm sorry, you should't be helping here16:57
endbossTYVM, and one more question: what is the simplest iso image upon which I can install only what I need?16:57
siva_machinaor without a reliable internet connection16:58
mad_moseshi, I have an android phone with spotify and I want to connect it via bluetooth with my ubuntu computer and play music. Is there a nice tool?16:58
nicomachusendboss: there is a mini.iso16:58
nicomachusmad_moses: just use spotify connect with spotify installed on both devices.16:58
siva_machinaor if upgrade from ubuntu version to ubuntu version. A reliable way to backup data16:58
zomaarnacc: I'm saying it's better to stay on the shore rather than try to jump 10 meters16:58
nicomachusmad_moses: otherwise, check out icecast16:58
JTechnicomachus, but that's how I typed it the 1st time. E: Unable to locate package brcmsmac16:58
Learnerwindromreyn: debian: http://termbin.com/8x0q16:58
nicomachus!info icecast | mad_moses16:59
ubottumad_moses: Package icecast does not exist in artful16:59
Learnerwindtomreyn: ubuntu: http://termbin.com/ll0216:59
nicomachusJTech: how about firmware-brcm8021116:59
mad_mosesnicomachus: in this case my computer has no internet (not permanent). I will check out icecast.16:59
JTechnicomachus, nope.16:59
siva_machinathe 0ackage may be called icecast217:00
JTechnicomachus, neither firmware-brcmsmac17:00
endbossnicomachus: does the mini.iso install a base system that can at least boot into a shell, i.e. am I going to need to DL anything during install to get a base system?17:01
JTech"The open-source brcmsmac driver for PCIe devices is available from the brcm80211 module of the linux kernel package, maintained upstream by the linux kernel community. For more granular support information, please see their wiki page here."  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#brcmsmac_driver_.28Open-source.2917:01
nicomachusJTech: and what was the problem with bcmwl-kernel-source?17:01
tomreynLearnerwind: thanks. so are you somehow manipulating the VMs traffic on purpose? like sending it through a proxy, using anti virus or anti malware or internet security software or similar?17:01
JTechbut I don't know which of the links there tells you how to install the driver.17:01
mad_mosesubottu: okay, any recomendation?17:01
ubottumad_moses: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:01
nicomachusendboss: the mini.iso does dowload a lot during install. if you just want base shell with no GUI, you can install the server iso17:01
JTechnicomachus, I don't remember that.17:02
Learnerwindtomreyn: If it is using a proxy I dont know. And I use no security software17:02
endbossnicomachus: OK, thank you17:02
siva_machinaendboss the mini.iso lets you choose a de.17:03
nicomachusJTech: bcmwl-kernel-source is the normal broadcom driver, I thought you had an issue with that17:03
JTechnicomachus, well wireless internet isn't working at all, and a lot of the search results suggest changing drivers.17:03
nicomachusJTech: well you didn't have a driver at all when we started this.17:04
nicomachusJTech: so try installing bcmwl-kernel-source17:04
JTechnicomachus, alright. I'll try that after I reset from disabling it. that page you linked me, 1st reply suggests I disable bcmwl-kernel-source17:05
leftyfbLearnerwind: is this debian host machine at your home or on some corporate or university network?17:05
nicomachusJTech: that was with that driver behaving poorly17:06
superKillerhello. can someone help with where else can i find the files specified?(as shown in the 64 bit version here), it would be of great help. link : http://sourcedigit.com/22814-install-linux-kernel-4-14-rc5/17:06
Learnerwindtomreyn: lerftyfb: The debian is not behind a proxy. I dont know if there is a proxy between vm and debian17:06
tomreynLearnerwind: your SSL handshakes are failing. those are essential to setup encrypted TCP connections such as for HTTPS. this can be a result of an improperly configured NAT setup where not all response packets reach the origin server (your VM). another possible source of this issue is duplicate IP address assignments (to multiple computers or NICs)17:06
superKillerthe links shown there return a 404 error17:06
leftyfbLearnerwind: is this debian host machine at your home or on some corporate or university network?17:06
jfmcarreirahey guys. what is the channel for ubuntu launchpad help regarding build recipes?17:06
Learnerwindleftyfb: home17:07
nicomachus!alis | jfmcarreira17:07
ubottujfmcarreira: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see "/msg Alis help list" or ask in #freenode. Example usage: "/msg Alis list http"17:07
tomreynLearnerwind: either way, at this point this is most definitely a network configuration issue, not an issue inside the ubuntu VM.17:07
akiksuperKiller: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/17:08
Learnerwindtomreyn: Thank you for the help.17:08
superKillerakik: its a big list where do i find those 3 files17:09
endbosssiva_machina: thanks as well17:09
leftyfbsuperKiller: why do you need that kernel?17:09
superKillerleftyfb: it fixes a touchpad issue on my machine17:10
akiksuperKiller: scroll down, and it'll be there17:10
superKillerakik: yep found it. thanks :)17:11
TJ-superKiller: those files are on the kernel-ppa web-server for each release, e.g. for 4.15-rc8 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15-rc8/17:11
tomreynLearnerwind: actually there are two more causes i can think of where it could be caused by the ubuntu system: (1) you replaced the openssl libraries on ubuntu by some others, such as downloaded from a PPA or elsewhere; (2) you replaced wget or its libraries on ubuntu by some others, such as downloaded from a PPA or elsewhere17:13
tomreynLearnerwind: hopefully, though, you would know if you did such, since that is a very dangerous thing to do.17:13
LearnerwindI couldnt add ppa to do (1); (2) No, one of the first progarms i ran was add-repository17:14
LearnerwindI added ppa manually in source.lis t17:15
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tomreynLearnerwind: so, yes, most likely a network issue. you would debug this using tcpdump, but that's a topic for ##networking17:17
blip99!eol zesty17:19
ubottuEnd-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades17:19
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too. Meetingology logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/17:19
aayani wan to share screenshot?17:20
aayani want to share?17:20
naccaayan: you were told how, use imgur17:21
aayanimgur site takes too much time time to load17:21
aayanand i have very slow network connectivity17:22
akikaayan: 3 seconds is too much?17:22
akikaayan: ok17:22
akikaayan: it doesn't help then to choose another site if your internet connection is slow. use imgur17:22
blip99!eolupgrade | blip9917:22
ubottublip99, please see my private message17:22
aayanm getting speed of 10 to 15 kbps17:23
aayanany alternative option?17:23
akikaayan: there's another site i've used: https://transfer.sh/ they have a cli interface too17:23
blip99Guys.  I'm on zesty, who's support ended a few days ago.  Is that the reason I get these messages when i apt-get update?    E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file.17:24
blip99N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default17:24
naccblip99: it's eol17:24
naccblip99: so the archive has been removed17:24
naccblip99: follow the eolupgrade guide and move to artful17:24
blip99nacc, im trying to debug some code on a deadline, cant risk upgrading distro.  Is there a quick fix to let me install some simpel packages?17:25
BillD73i have the deafault desktop env for 16.04, guessing thats unity. 2 questions, in event of a screen freeze(low end equipment) is there a keyboard shortcut to restart the current tty(F7) with x running or just switch to an alt tty and manually issue it? 2nd part, which desktop env would you suggest for a lowned maching 1GB  DDR2 ram, 1.66GHz intel(ASUS Eee PC)17:25
naccblip99: it will be unsupported whatever you do17:25
lastebilluse synaptic package manager maybe? blip99?17:25
naccblip99: and vulnerable to things like spectre/meltdown17:25
naccblip99: but you can use the eolupgrade guide to add old-releases and install packages17:26
naccblip99: but keep in mind, any bug you find, is unfixable17:26
naccblip99: and i highly advise you learn about lts support schedules17:28
naccblip99: and non-lts, if you are unable to upgrade in proper time17:28
blip99nacc, ok. yeah it's my first time in 10+ years using non-lts17:28
naccblip99: and this is the consequence :)17:29
naccblip99: i would suggest lts only17:29
blip99nacc, thanks, im following the update sources.list section to add old-releases urls17:31
naccblip99: just add but replace17:31
TJ-nacc: I've a 16.04 system that came back from "systemctl suspend" within a few seconds but still thinks it is asleep (e.g. "nmcli gen" reports "asleep" and therefore no networking, log files not being updated). Before I reboot it is there anything I should look at to capture useful info for a bug report and/or try to wake it up?17:31
lastebillwould it be appropriate to direct armbian related questions to this channel?17:31
nacclastebill: no, that's not ubuntu, afaik17:32
blip99nacc, +117:32
naccblip99: err, not just add but replace, i meant :)17:32
lastebilloh ok17:32
naccTJ-: i think the syslog might help (i think systemd logs there) or the journal from just before to just after the suspend17:32
naccTJ-: i don't know much about modern S/R though17:33
aayanplz check17:33
naccTJ-: does sytemd think it is running (systemctl is-system-running)17:34
aayani didn't get it ?17:35
aayanwhtz tht?17:35
blip99nacc, worked. thanks!17:35
aayanhow to close that?17:36
TJ-nacc: yes, but "degraded" - what's weird is dmesg shows "Suspended for 23820.646 seconds" for a 1 second suspend :)17:37
Jordan_Ublip99: Now is a particularly bad time to not be receiving security updates as working attacks using spectre/meltdown have been developed and are becomming easier to use to exploit machines each day.17:37
blip99Jordan_U, thanks. i'll upgrade for sure next week17:39
saberuhey guys can someone help me get chrooted sftp login working?17:40
saberuI've been stuck on this for days! :( some issue with directory/file permissions17:40
BadegakkHi, fresh install and i cant get shutdown to work, it ends with a msg like power: shutdown and it hangs17:40
Badegakki have tryed halt in consol aswell and same problem17:41
saberuthe home diretory chown is set to root:user and user has read/write permission but it won't let me read or write17:41
saberuthen ofcourse if i change permissions to something like 775 i can read/write but it wont let me login :)17:41
naccTJ-: sounds like a timesource issue17:42
TJ-nacc: yes. not so much worried about that (I've seen this kind of thing with spurious wake-ups from USB etc. but intrigued as to why network-manager in particular hasn't woken up correctly when the system resumed17:43
Jordan_UTJ-: Once you've given up hope of debugging the issue, rather than rebooting I'd be curious what another "systemctl suspend" results in.17:43
naccJordan_U: heh17:45
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TJ-Jordan_U: yeah... might be as much fun as current 'kexec' brokenness :)17:46
TJ-there used to be an nmcli nm sleep [true|false] but that's changed and there doesn't seem to be a replacement for it17:47
karolyihas anyone seen this SSHD message? ssh_sandbox_child: setrlimit(RLIMIT_FSIZE, { 0, 0 }): Function not implemented [preauth]17:50
karolyiI can't login to my box after an upgrade17:51
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juniI got an issue with a brother printer. The test page looks perfect, but when I try to print, the printer continues to draw pages without printing anything until the paper is depleted.17:52
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Badegakkwhen i do shutdown -r now it shuts down x and it hangs with this as the last msg: power: shutdown17:56
Neo4why need this /etc/mailname ?17:56
Neo4in postfix myorigin = /etc/mailname I looked there and there this v119512.kvm.test-hf.su17:57
Badegakk/etc/mailname. The plain text file /etc/mailname is used by the Mail Transfer Agent (i.e. mail server) to know its own hostname.17:57
Neo4it's in all ubuntu this file exists17:58
Neo4each server will use this file?17:58
Badegakki quess you could make postfix to point to another file17:59
TJ-nacc: Jordan_U "systemctl suspend" ==> "Failed to suspend system via logind: There's already a shutdown or sleep operation in progress" !! The attempted suspend was about 9 hours ago :)17:59
Neo4I want change name, my MTA (mail transfer agent)  send mails with this domain neo@v119512.kvm.test-hf.su17:59
Neo4Badegakk: or I can put in this file other name?17:59
Neo4origin = /etc/mailname. I'll change it on origin = kselax.ru now18:00
Neo4will see what happen18:01
ExoUNXwhere are the OpenVPN logs at for Network-Manager on LXDE(Ubuntu)18:01
Neo4before we something change we should make copy of config file?18:01
Neo4this is should always do?18:01
ExoUNXThis is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS btw18:02
TJ-ExoUNX: NM logs into /var/log/syslog for everything18:02
naccNeo4: it's a good idea to have backups, yes18:02
Badegakkcp mailname mailname.bak18:02
Neo4I've already made there changes. should be origin file back up18:03
Badegakkyou will have to restart the services to make changes take effect18:04
Neo4Badegakk: no, not mailname this, /etc/postfix/main.cf18:04
Neo4Badegakk: bak means backup?18:04
naccNeo4: to most people, but extensions don't have meaning in unix like they do in windows18:04
Neo4or main.cf.origin18:04
naccNeo4: it's a convention18:04
Badegakkyeah, you could calll what ever you want18:04
naccNeo4: other tools use .orig (not .origin)18:05
ExoUNXTJ-, /var/log/syslog doesn't exist here18:05
Neo4nacc: I saved two books in linu and called one matilda.pdf and second MATILDA.pdf and windows opened always one book until I changed name18:05
Neo4in windows register doesn't matter18:05
Neo4it's advise in video from youtube always save origin files before changing18:06
BadegakkI alway do backup aswell, and i also dont do to many changes at the time, easier to backtrack what went wrong18:07
Neo4I try reinstall postfix and do sudo apt-get remove mailutils, then sudo apt-get purge mailutils and sudo apt-get autoremove, and reinstalll sudo apt-get mailutils and I didn't see window like was before, seems config files can't remove18:08
karolyihas anyone seen this SSHD message? ssh_sandbox_child: setrlimit(RLIMIT_FSIZE, { 0, 0 }): Function not implemented [preauth]18:08
karolyiI can't login to my box after an upgrade18:08
Neo4yes? in linux we can't remove config files using sudo apt-get remove?18:08
Neo4with wine the same, in home exists hidden file .wine that is not removed18:09
naccNeo4: 1) not "linux", "ubuntu" (or "debian")18:09
naccNeo4: 2) remove does not remove conf files, correct. read `man apt-get`.18:09
Richard_CavellHello everyone. I recently reinstalled Ubuntu 16.04. I have an 8BitDo NES-style gamepad. I have plugged it in via USB. But it's not working with fceux. How can I investigate this?18:12
TJ-ExoUNX: if /var/log/syslog doesn't exist on 16.04 then it's not a standard Ubuntu configuration18:15
ExoUNXI did, journalctl and dumped it18:15
SysGhostRichard_Cavell: I suspect it detects as a normal joystick HID device, so it might be an issue with the permnissions.18:16
Richard_CavellSysGhost, I don't really understand the command line tools used to investigate this. Where do I begin?18:17
SysGhostRichard_Cavell: See /dev/input/jsX (Where X is any number from 0 ... )18:17
sxo_Richard_Cavell, start with jstest /dev/input/js018:17
SysGhostls -la /dev/input/js*18:17
TJ-Jordan_U: According to "systemctl list-jobs" "suspend.target" is in state "waiting", it's 'status' reports "Unit is bound to inactive unit systemd-suspend.service. Stopping, too" and systemd-suspend.service 'status' is "'SUSPEND' command timed out." and "Suspending system..." :D18:17
Richard_CavellSysGhost, it has js018:17
greyfusIs this the support channel?18:18
greyfusI'm learning here, sorry18:18
SysGhostRichard_Cavell: who owns it? "root input" or "root root" ?18:18
Jordan_UTJ-: Are you sure that the computer ever actually successfully suspended? Is there a hardware indication of suspending that you can confirm you saw (such as a pulsing power light)?18:19
Richard_Cavellroot input18:19
SysGhostRichard_Cavell: Add your user to the group "input"18:19
blackflowgreyfus: sure if you have a problem, state it, and someone might help.18:19
tomreyngreyfus: this is the official ubuntu IRC support channel, based on the channel /topic18:19
Richard_CavellSysGhost, Sorry for my newbness but what is the command to do that?  My username is richard18:19
SysGhostRichard_Cavell: ...and relog18:19
TJ-Jordan_U: even the dmesg confirms it18:19
SysGhostno worries.18:19
Jordan_UTJ-: Interesting. Please pastebin your dmesg.18:20
SysGhostsudo usermod -aG input richard18:20
SysGhostthen relog18:20
greyfusI am having trouble with plymouth on Ubuntu 17.1018:20
Richard_CavellSysGhost, I'm rebooting brb18:20
greyfusand 16.0418:20
TJ-Jordan_U: I'd love to, but there's no network, that's part of the problem!18:20
greyfusI made a change to the theme but generating a new initramfs crashed and my computer restarts.18:21
greyfusPlymouth becomes blank at startup18:21
SysGhostRichard_Cavell: There's a neat gui tool to manage user permissions and groups. As well as other things. Install "Gnome System Tools" if it is not installed already.18:24
Richard_CavellSysGhost, I can see that I am now a member of the group input, and jstest shows that my gamepad is being read, but still fceux does not respond to it18:26
greyfusSorry for the vanishing act18:27
greyfusChanged clients18:27
Jordan_UTJ-: Now I wonder if you'll even be able to cleanly reboot. You might need to resort to REISUB.18:27
SysGhostRichard_Cavell: Well.. the joystick is now working as intended in the system. I guess the rest lies within fceux. Got anything in the settings to enable joystick mode, or remap keys/button?18:28
Richard_CavellSysGhost, Yes, sorry, my bad...18:30
SysGhostRichard_Cavell: As I can see on screenshots, it seems there is a "Gamepad Config" menu under "Options". See if you can remap all the needed buttons there.18:30
Richard_CavellIt's fixed now.18:30
SysGhostSuper Mario... here we go!18:30
Richard_CavellHa ha, yes18:30
SysGhostor some Zelda weekend? =>18:31
TJ-Jordan_U: that could be interesting; it's a hybrid Asus T300CHI transformer with BT keyboard. I'm still digging, trying to find out if I can influence the running "/lib/systemd/systemd-sleep suspend" process - can't 'stop' the service. Been looking at it's /proc/*/fd/ but there's only 3 sockets and open /sys/power/state which I'd expect since it echo's "mem" there.18:31
TJ-Jordan_U: WOW! "kill $(pidof systemd-sleep)" -> instant off18:33
* SysGhost suddenly got some sudden urge to fire up his Mega Drive emulator.18:34
TJ-Jordan_U: and after pressing the power button it's resumed and network-manager is no longer asleep. How weird.18:35
TJ-Jordan_U: and now I see "Suspended for 43 seconds" this time which is about correct18:37
zack6849Does anyone off the top of their head know how to gt php7.0 on 17.10 artful?18:42
zack6849It has it in my completions but says it's not installable18:42
Jordan_UTJ-: Can you pastebin your dmesg now?18:43
nacczack6849: 17.10 moved to 7.118:43
nacczack6849: use the php metapackage and it will dtrt18:43
zack6849maco: dtrt?18:43
nacczack6849: there is no 7.0 in 17.10 (if you need it, stay on 16.04)18:43
nacc!tab | zack684918:43
ubottuzack6849: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.18:43
nacczack6849: do the right thing18:43
zack6849well, see, I sort of need 7.0 for a software to work :v18:44
TJ-Jordan_U: I'm writing a bug report it'll all be attached18:44
zack6849and I'm on 17.10 already, it was working yesterday18:44
zack6849nacc: why are you telling me how to use tab, i just typo'd n for m and hit tab18:45
zack6849Can I add old repos to my sources.list to get it back?18:45
Jordan_UTJ-: Great. Please subscribe me, JordanU on launchpad.18:45
nacczack6849: you were either using a PPA (in which case talk to the PPA owner) or were still runing 17.04 (e.g., insecure) software18:45
nacczack6849: that would also be unsupported18:45
zack6849I was running 17.04, but it was working after the update for some reason.18:45
nacczack6849: 17.04 is eol18:46
zack6849I didnt ask if it was officially supported, i asked if it would work ._.18:46
nacczack6849: you have root on your system, you can do anything you want18:46
zack6849That isn't what I was asking.18:46
nacczack6849: this is the support channel18:46
zack6849nacc: Magento 2 requires php7.0 because they haven't migrated away from mcrypt, which is deprecated in 7.1, 7.01 is required18:46
zack6849Am I going to have to manually build a binary for this, or is there a PPA or something I can use for 7.018:47
Jordan_Uzack6849: It is the official policy of this channel that the only action on EOL releases we will support is upgrading them to a supported release.18:47
zack6849Jordan_U: i'm on a supported release.18:47
nacczack6849: magento is, afaict, not in ubuntu18:47
nacczack6849: and presumably if what you say is true, is not supported on 17.10 in the first place18:48
Jordan_Uzack6849: Ahh, sorry. Misunderstood.18:48
nacczack6849: (supported by magento, that is)18:48
zack6849nacc: I don't follow your point18:48
nacczack6849: you can probably use ondrej's ppa if you want, but not supported here18:48
zack6849I can't "upgrade" to an EOL ubuntu release18:49
nacczack6849: you are using third party software, not really ubuntu's responsiblity to keep it working on release upgrades18:49
zack6849That's fine, that's not what I asked.18:49
nacczack6849: also, php7.1 has mcrypt18:49
zack6849It does, but they use deprecated functionalities18:49
zack6849and they dont support 7.1 at all18:49
nacczack6849: ok, then they don't support 17.10 (or 18.04)18:49
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nacczack6849: if you need magento 2, you should go back to 16.04 for the time being, or use ondrej's ppa18:50
Bill1973So, I've added xfce and xubuntu, logged out of unity and there they are  using the icon for a dropdown list next to my username. Tried xfce, logged out and set xubuntu and logged however bothe looked the "same". Since I have never used xfce/xubuntu is that right? After a reboot i got a diff login and aut logged into xfce, which i do not want an autologin18:50
zack6849Which isn't a suprise, magento sucks, I wasn't here to make you support magento, or magento to support ubuntu, I was simply asking for a way to patch in 7.0 for the time being18:50
nacczack6849: and i gave it to you18:50
zack6849right, i'm working on it now, thank you.18:50
nacczack6849: but we don't support that ppa here, so go add it if you want, and if you hit issues, you will need to contact ondrej18:50
naccit also will pull in some other deps, which will make your OS not supported generally by ubuntu, iirc18:51
zack6849I understand what a PPA is and don't expect ubuntu to support third party repositories18:51
tatertotsgood luck18:51
Jordan_Uzack6849: I may be missing something, but it looks like php7.0 is available in Ubuntu 17.10. What happens when you try to "sudo apt install php7.0" ?18:53
zack6849sorry, specifically the extensions, but that may be because i already had 7 installed, if i try for example 7.0-mysql i get this18:53
nacc!info php7.0 artful18:54
ubottuPackage php7.0 does not exist in artful18:54
naccJordan_U: we moved to 7.1 in 17.1018:54
micha_Hi at all.....is there anyone who can help me with a crashing kodi? Start....crash...no chance to do anything18:54
motaka2hello is there anyone here who can help me removing broken packages of redmine and reinstall it again ? I did this simply on my local ubuntu 16.04 but on my digital ocean ubuntu 16.04 I receive error messages like: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/30af5c0497df9a536841a74c2bde51c818:54
zack6849micha_: #kodi18:54
micha_zack6849: thx18:55
Jordan_Unacc: zack6849: I forgot that the machine I'm ssh'd into is actually on 16.04 rather than 17.10, sorry for the noise.18:55
naccJordan_U: np18:57
greyfusAnyone who knows how to put plymouth back?19:06
zack6849greyfus very gently19:07
greyfusI changed the theme and regenerated the initramfs as instructed19:07
TJ-Jordan_U: subscribed you bug #174437019:07
ubottubug 1744370 in systemd (Ubuntu) "'systemd-sleep suspend' hung after an abortive suspend/resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174437019:07
greyfusMy computer crashes during and plymouth is left empty19:07
Jordan_UTJ-: Thanks.19:07
greyfuszack6849: Cute19:08
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greyfusThe joke you had stated19:08
zack6849The gently part, or the stackexchange link that should actually probably answer your question?19:08
greyfusThe gently19:08
greyfusThe plymouth isn't just not showing19:10
greyfusIt is missing19:10
greyfusTheme wise, it didn't generate19:11
greglsudo dpkg-reconfigure Plymouth19:12
shubhami want help19:29
nacc!ask | shubham19:29
ubottushubham: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience19:29
Bashing-omshubham: State the issue .19:29
shubhami barely downld anything from ubuntu store19:30
shubhami change the server bt it didnt work19:32
naccshubham: do you mean your downloads are slow?19:32
shubhami never use linux before19:33
naccshubham: is your internet connection slow overall? did you do a test19:33
shubhamit working pretty fast19:34
TJ-shubham: Is the PC using wifi network? Of so can you run this command in a terminal: "pastebinit <( iwconfig )" and tell us the URL it gives19:37
ghotiHaven't been paying attention to the video card or driver world for a few years. If I want to assemble a machine that'll drive 4 monitors, are there any brand/model recommendations for video card?19:38
TJ-shubham: I also notice you're using IPv6. It could be problems with timeouts trying to reach some services that aren't using IPv6 addressing19:38
tomreynghoti: i don't think a lot has changed there. amd, nvidia should work. maybe intel, too.19:38
shubhamno wireless extension19:40
tomreynghoti: hdmi audio does not always work (in many cases it will not), if that's a concern.19:40
ghotitomreyn: Not a concern, but thanks for pointing that out. I'll be doing mostly static-ish content (Nagios, etc), though I wouldn't mind decent video playback performance .. with audio through a separate device entirely.19:41
ghotiWould, say, an nvs 450 make the most sense? Or could I get away with cheaper 2-port cards, and put two of them in the machine?19:41
shubhamwhat should i do now19:41
ghotiWould xinerama or twinview still be supported if I have 2 2-port cards in the box?19:42
tomreynghoti: sorry, i would not know in that detail. hopefully someone else here does.19:42
tomreynghoti: this may be a little biased, but my guess is that open source drivers will give you a less troublesome experience sooner if you're aiming for 18.04 lts, since this will use wayland which nvidia drivers do not work well with, yet. so i'd rather target amd if this was my plan.19:46
tomreynghoti: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/multihead seems to provide a good overview. xrandr does a pretty good job nowadays (i used it with three monitors (2 external) with both intel (i915 driver) and nvidia (nouveau open source driver, which is otherwise quite sketchy).19:53
poorUserhi people! it's normal to have disk application to report this error with every usb pendrive? udisk error quark 019:54
poorUserwith all pendrive i'm able to create new partition with dd and fdisk19:55
tomreynpoorUser: based exclusively on the number of search results on a web search, it is not normal, no. which ubuntu release are you using, which partition table format were you using (msdos / gpt), which capacity do these drives have?19:59
poorUserlatest one20:00
poorUseri have a lot of pendrive of  various manufacturers20:01
poorUsersome :D20:01
tatertotspoorUser: obsessive error hunting aside.......do you have any real, actual, issue in "functionality" in regard to USB mass storage devices??? yes or no20:01
tatertotsjust yes or no20:02
poorUseri'm just reporting this singularity, since i had no problems with manual operations20:02
poorUseryes or not? i don't have problems, but yes, looks like a problem20:02
tatertots"yes or no" must escape a lot of humans...oh well...carry on20:02
poorUsersorry i thought to be somewhat useful20:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1631127 in gnome-disk-utility (Ubuntu) "Formatting USB device fails with "Timed out waiting for object (udisks-error-quark, 0)"" [Low,New]20:04
poorUseroh cool :D20:04
poorUserit was a knew problem20:04
poorUsersimply explained, you put a pendrive to format it, it spam that error and the pendrive became unusable.20:06
ioriaunusable it's a big word20:06
tatertotspoorUser: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no (your response should consist of ONLY the word yes OR no)20:07
poorUseryes, have i failed touring test? :D20:08
tatertotspoorUser: open terminal20:08
tatertotspoorUser: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit20:08
tatertotspoorUser: let me know when done.20:08
poorUserunderstand that for me wasn't a real problem, because of manual fdisk, but it can be an huge problem for any normal user.20:09
poorUserand i just reported that here20:09
tatertotsoh okay...thanks20:09
iorianever got why gparted is removed after install20:10
siva_machinaI guess they figure mist people really only need it during install20:13
nicomachussince when is gparted removed after install?20:13
nicomachusor did I just reinstall it without thinking about it?20:13
siva_machinait has always been removed after install for me20:14
tomreynioria: is it installed during install then?20:15
skypcehey guys20:16
skypcegood day20:16
leftyfbit's part of the live cd. Not installed anywhere20:16
ioriatomreyn, live session ? yeah20:16
Neo4how I can get all error mails on my mail?20:16
EriC^^hello skypce20:16
Neo4where linus apps send erro's mail?20:16
Neo4on root@localhost?20:16
tomreynioria: yes, it's in the live session by default, true.20:16
skypcedo you know some utility that can generate password for web with a passphrase? like echo "password"|base64 , but with ascii+numbers+letters+caps20:17
Neo4I want getting all errors from my VPS from all of apps on my mail20:17
leftyfbskypce: pwgen20:17
skypcethank you leftyfb20:17
skypcethank you both20:17
Neo4is it true that in linux mail is main massager and each app send message if get error?20:18
Neo4I know it20:18
Neo4watched in video there guy said about20:18
Neo4we have to get all error's on our url20:19
Neo4oh our mail20:19
poorUsertatertots: i have installed inxi but with this error: systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: disk temperature monitoring daemon. Cool pastebinit, long time ago i did a similar script :D20:19
Neo4mail is full qualified domain name, it's not url20:19
Neo4don't call mail url, it's FQDN (full qualified domain name)20:20
Neo4root@localhost and what ahead?20:21
ioriapoorUser, like it failde to instal ?20:22
tomreynskypce: even more options (but i would recommend against the 'date' based ones, /dev/urandom and 'openssl rand' should be fine): https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/30184/10-ways-to-generate-a-random-password-from-the-command-line/20:22
ioriapoorUser, like it failed to install ?20:22
skypcehey guys20:24
skypcethis is really awesome20:24
skypcesha1pass "password" 51220:24
skypceif you write it again20:24
skypceit recreates same password20:24
skypcethat is that i need20:24
skypcethank you20:24
skypcethe 512 is a salt20:25
skypcewithout this number20:25
skypcecreate ramdomly passdows20:25
poorUsersystemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: disk temperature monitoring daemon. (while configuring hddtemp under apt-get)20:25
tomreyn!enter | skypce20:25
ubottuskypce: Please try and keep as much of your info as possible on ONE line - easier to follow for everyone.20:25
ioriapoorUser, dpkg -l  inxi20:25
skypcethank you dear boot20:26
barcabuonahey guys is there a default music player in ubuntu?20:26
BillD73so never used pasbinit(it is installed) anyway to make paste.ubuntu.com the default instead of having to -b http.....20:26
BillD73err pastebinint lol20:27
naccBillD73: on ubuntu, pastebinit should default to p.u.c20:28
BillD73ha  imagine that!20:28
poorUserioria: that command says "reinstallation required" (if i interpreted correctly the output)20:28
ioriapoorUser, maybe if you paste it ...20:28
poorUserioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26418753/20:29
ioriapoorUser, it's installed20:30
poorUseroh lol :D20:30
poorUserthe output of inxi says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26418758/20:31
poorUserrun without arguments20:32
ioriapoorUser, nxi -Fxxrzc0 will tell you more20:34
poorUserawesome! http://paste.ubuntu.com/26418775/20:36
davr0sdisplaylink usb monitors / ubuntu - do they work ?20:36
ioriapoorUser, good machine20:37
tomreyndavr0s: what is "displaylink usb"?20:37
poorUser:D lol, just my old dear friend20:37
davr0sits a USB device that drives a monitor;20:38
davr0sthe computer can send compressed image updates through USB; the device holds an image20:38
davr0s'usb graphics card' ... a simple way to get extra monitors e.g. on laptops20:38
ioriastill experimental on linux, i guess20:38
Feitanusb graphics cards?20:39
tomreyndavr0s: ah sorry i mixed up displaylink and displayport20:40
davr0ssure, so many similar sounding names. i also sometimes eroneously write 'dlink' which is really confusing20:40
tatertotspoorUser: in terminal>    inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit20:40
tatertotspoorUser: share url/link here.20:41
tatertotsoops sorry20:41
tatertotsalready been done...i'm late20:42
poorUsertatertots: your command shows also pendrives, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26418804/20:42
tatertotspoorUser: yeah, i'm into "details" so..20:44
poorUseri just put there 2 random partitions with fdisk -> new -> write and close, then the FS20:44
newbbbbbquestion: I have a lenovo laptop using 17.04 and can't upgrade to 17.10 or it'll brick, but the repos for 17.04 aren't available. Is there a rollback method to 16.04 or should I just prepare for wipe and reinstall?20:45
naccnewbbbbb: i believe the 17.10 issues have been fixed20:45
nicomachusnewbbbbb: backup and reinstall. 17.04 is EOL.20:45
nicomachusbut yes, nacc is right, the issues have been fixed.20:45
naccnicomachus: have the respins been released? not necessary here, just wondering20:46
naccdax: thanks20:46
qswzwhat's the best terminal?20:46
ubottuThe original release of Ubuntu 17.10 contained a bug that makes firmware memory read-only. See https://pad.lv/1734147 for more info. This bug has been fixed in 17.10's repositories (so upgrades are safe) and new ISOs have been released (look for 17.10.1 in the filename).20:46
nicomachusnacc: yes they did some official re-release of 17.1020:46
qswzI use LXTerminal, pretty basic20:46
qswzneed a better one20:46
nicomachusqswz: not really a question we can answer here. that's a personal preference thing.20:46
asdfjkljklIs it bad to run `apt install` with `sudo`? Can it be avoided at all?20:46
qswzI'm all hear20:47
daxubottu 17.10.1 is <alias> lenovobug20:47
ubottuI'll remember that, dax20:47
qswzI'll test whatever ppl recommend as terminals20:47
nicomachusI can't do that dax20:47
nicomachusqswz: that is off-topic for this channel.20:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1734147 in linux (Ubuntu Artful) "corrupted BIOS due to Intel SPI bug in kernel" [Critical,Fix released]20:47
newbbbbbnacc, nicomachus, ubottu thx for weighing in. Appreciated.20:47
akikasdfjkljkl: no, it's ok20:48
nicomachusasdfjkljkl: you have to use sudo20:48
asdfjkljklok thanks!20:49
ghotitomreyn: sorry for the late response, but thanks for sharing your wisdom. I've used xinerama with great success on FreeBSD workstations, but this'll be my first multi-monitor setup in Linux.20:52
Nick21Hello guys20:54
Nick21How can I install this "https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdk-pixbuf/2.32.2-1ubuntu1.4"20:55
MonkeyDust!find pixbuf20:55
ubottuFound: gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev20:55
Nick21I want to install adapta theme and this is one of the requirements found here "https://github.com/adapta-project/adapta-gtk-theme"20:56
Nick21Oh thanks20:56
randomuser123I am having trouble upgrading from gnome-ubuntu 17.04 to Standard Ubuntu 17.10. Getting some errrors related to mirrors when I do "sudo apt-get update": https://paste.ubuntu.com/26418866/21:03
EriC^^!eolupgrades | randomuser12321:03
ubotturandomuser123: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades21:03
Neo4postmaster:    root what is it?21:05
Neo4it in file /etc/aliaces21:05
Neo4who is postmaster?21:06
Neo4what is it??? echo test | mail -s test root21:07
Neo4it sends mail for root? Where shall I check mail? I looked at /var/mail/root and there empty21:08
randomuser123EriC^^: Many thanks! Saved me :-)21:08
Neo4what is mail function in ubuntu?21:09
Neo4it isn't look like mail server21:09
tomreynghoti: i think xinerama is considered deprecated now. currently you'll use xrandr with X(org). with 18.04 the cnfiguration utility to use will depend on the compositor / window manager / desktop environment you'll be using. i.e. gnome (if run directly though wayland) provides its own (all graphical?) utilities, while 'legacy' environments which depend on xwayland should continue to work with xrandr. but that's just a guess, i have 0 first hand21:14
tomreynNeo4: about your /etc/aliases question: man 5 aliases21:17
Neo4tomreyn: what is mean? man 5 aliases?21:18
Neo4I typed it in terminal and didnt get anything21:18
tomreynNeo4: don't you have postfix installed?21:18
Neo4have installed21:19
Neo4postfixe is installed21:19
tomreynNeo4: 'man' is a command to show manuals (man pages). '5' is a specific manual section, about configurations. http://www.postfix.org/aliases.5.html21:20
Nick21How can I install this from git21:20
Neo4tomreyn: oh ok,21:20
Neo4I didn't know it21:21
tomreynNeo4: you may need to install "postfix-doc" to be able to run "man 5 aliases"21:21
Nick21Forget it guys, I got it.21:22
Nick21Epic fail.21:22
sxo_Nick21, found the ppa? ;)21:22
Nick21Yeah sxo_21:22
Nick21My brain is getting slower these days sxo_21:23
tomreynNeo4: actually the 'aliases' manual is part of the postfix package, so no need for 'postfix-doc'21:23
Nick21I found the launcherpad ppa and said... What the fuck am I doing sxo_21:23
tomreynNeo4: before you learn how to configure a mail server, i'd definitely recommend learning how to use man pages.21:24
Neo4tomreyn: what no need? Don't need 'postfix-doc' ?21:25
Neo4I think simply use  man app-name21:25
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Neo4man apt-get21:25
Neo4I though*21:25
gt8ost4ldoes anybody know where the grub file is on ubuntu 17.1021:25
Neo4ok look how it works21:26
Neo4before works man apt-get, now doesn't21:26
tomreynNeo4: you do not need to install the 'postfix-doc' package to be able to run 'man 5 aliases', it should work as soon as you installed the 'postfix' and 'man-db' packages21:26
Neo4it doesn't work21:27
Neo4maybe need man app?21:27
Neo4man command is not found21:27
tomreynNeo4: read again what i wrote21:27
Neo4this? i'd definitely recommend learning how to use man pages21:28
tomreyngt8ost4l: is it not at /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?21:28
tomreynNeo4: "it should work as soon as you installed the 'postfix' and 'man-db' packages"21:28
tomreynNeo4: you do not have the man-db package installed21:28
Neo4how I can run that? I used 'man 5 aliases' and got 'man command not found21:29
tomreynNeo4: sudo apt-get install man-db21:29
Neo4tomreyn: yes, now works, thanks, will read21:31
Neo4don't understand anything there :(21:32
Nick21How can I customize or tweak adapta theme?21:44
Nick21Is there a tweak tool for it?21:44
tomreynNeo4: this looks like a good introduction into the overall e-mail transport ecosystem and also into postfix's architecture (page two, bottom right)  https://www.ida.liu.se/~TDDI09/lectures/TDDI09-F4.pdf21:44
Neo4tomreyn: ok, thanks! I added that to bookmarks, will read little later.21:45
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tomreynNeo4: this is the current textual descritopion of postfix's architecture (components): http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html and this is wherre you should go whenever you want to know how to configure things in postfix or something doesn't work: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html21:46
Neo4saved on desktop, that is pdf21:46
Neo4tomreyn: I've stopped reading on this article, there written you should read when you have configured postfix http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html21:48
gt8ost4ltomreyn: do you know another commamd for the grub file?21:49
DexterFubuntu server, want it to connect to intent on an LTE modem. no X installed. what's a good cli tool?21:50
tomreynNeo4: yes, once you're into the basic concepts of e-mail and are ready to setup a mail server, that's the right document to follow.21:52
anddamtrying  sudo apt install virtualbox-5.2 dkms21:52
Neo4tomreyn: yes, I'm going to read that all21:52
tomreyngt8ost4l: can you be more specific? what is this command supposed to do to which grub related file? also, you did not answer my question.21:53
anddamsorry. Trying   sudo apt install virtualbox-5.2    prompted me for a Y/n answer, I said 'n' and tried    sudo apt install virtualbox-5.2 dkms   that went straight away since   dkms is already the newest version (
anddamis that normal behavior for apt?21:54
Neo4just there many new notions like SMTP, MUA, SASL... hostname and others21:54
tomreynDexterF: nmtui (or nmcli) for configuring the modem through network manager, i'd say.21:54
anddamwhy wouldn't it ask confirmation anyway when I added dkms?21:55
DexterFtomreyn, thanks, gonna have a look21:55
gt8ost4ltomreyn:right the question no its not stored there i tried that and sudo gedit /etc/default/grub21:55
naccanddam: you are not on ubuntu21:56
naccanddam: that is an elementary version, afaict21:57
tomreyngt8ost4l: is the system actually using grub though?21:58
gt8ost4ltomreyn: yes i checked the directory it is there21:59
gt8ost4lbut i cant access it21:59
gt8ost4lits in /etc/default/grub22:00
gt8ost4lbut i cant access it22:00
tomreyngt8ost4l: "cannot access" is definitely not the same as "it is not stored there"22:00
gt8ost4li just cant22:00
gt8ost4loh sorry im new to this22:00
tomreynso what does 'ls /boot/grub/grub.cfg' say?22:00
tomreynactually run: ls -l /boot/grub/grub.cfg22:01
zomaargt8ost4l: Don't use sudo gedit, use gksudo gedit22:01
zomaargt8ost4l: You can't use sudo with graphical applications, it can put root-owned files in your home directory22:02
TJ-tomreyn: if gt8ost4l is on 17.10, and using Wayland, there's no sudo access is there? It'll need a terminal22:03
TJ-tomreyn: that could explain the "just can't"22:03
tomreynTJ-: hmm right, this may well be.22:03
tomreynTJ-: but i guess ls could still work?22:04
gt8ost4ltomreyn i get an error with gksudo to22:11
gt8ost4ldo you want me to show you it?22:11
tomreyngt8ost4l: sure, why not, just use a !pastebin if it's more than 3 lines22:12
tomreyngt8ost4l: but note that it will probbaly not work on 17.10 with gksudo as TJ- pointed out above.22:13
gt8ost4li know i just wanted to show you22:13
Bashing-omgt8ost4l: see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Running_graphical_applications_as_root .22:16
akikZombie: you can use sudo with graphical apps, you just need to use -i together with it22:17
akikoh that was for zomaar but he left22:18
akikTJ-: the fix for 17.10 and wayland and sudo is: xhost +si:localuser:root22:19
tomreynexport wsudo () { xhost +si:localuser:root; sudo -H "$@"; xhost -si:localuser:root; }; wsudo whoami22:20
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skinuxI'm getting weird errors trying to install software https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b22:25
gt8ost4lbashing-om thanks it worked22:26
QuenzI'm trying to get Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS running as well if not better than Mac OS does on this old MacBook. My wireless card is Broadcom BCM4322 [14e4:432b] (rev 01). I've tried firmware-b43-installer and bcwl-kernel-source for drivers, but both of them produce consistently slower internet (over wi-fi) speeds than on Mac OS. How can I fix this?22:26
Bashing-omgt8ost4l: :) All in this together .22:26
fraktorI just upgraded to artful aardvark, and I'm having trouble with my nvidia drivers now. I've selected them in a couple different ways, but I can't seem to get X to use them.22:27
TJ-akik: nah, the fix is to ditch Wayland until the dev's don't dismiss their users!22:27
nicomachus!artful | fraktor22:28
ubottufraktor: Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download at http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://ubottu.com/y/artful22:28
nicomachuswhy did I think artful was +1 still. ignore me fraktor22:28
akikTJ-: i know, i don't like where ubuntu is going either :)22:28
tomreynskinux: you only posted part of the output so we cannot know what the error dpkg encountered is.22:28
Bashing-omfraktor: Try from the Xorg session rather than wayland . wayland and nvidia are yet to play nice with one abother .22:28
akiknow 18.04 will have an older nautilus just because gnome proper removed desktop icons22:29
tatertotsQuenz: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no22:29
fraktorBashing-om: I am using X. I'm running i3.22:29
Quenztatertots nope, different computer.22:30
QuenzI have both sitting in front of me though22:30
tatertotsQuenz: open terminal on the computer in question22:30
Quenztatertots yep, it's open22:30
fraktorBashing-om: I'm going to purge and reinstall the drivers and see if that fixes the issue.22:30
tatertotsQuenz: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit22:30
fraktorI'll let you know if that worked.22:31
tatertotsQuenz: let me know when done22:31
Bashing-omfraktor: K; what does the log file /var/log/gpu-manager.log have to relate ?22:31
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fraktorYep, that worked.22:32
fraktorI'll remember that trick from now on.22:32
Quenztatertots done22:32
tatertotsQuenz: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit22:32
TJ-skinux: the error messages are pretty clear; you've an empty file "/usr/local/lib/libQtCore.so" and two files that should be symlinks, since there are more than 1 identical same-named libraries with the same SONAME (version)22:32
tatertotsQuenz: share url/link here22:32
Quenztatertots I think I missed something. You just asked me to install some programs. Would you like me to run then now, or..?22:33
TJ-skinux: in other words ldconfig found, in the paths it searched, more than 1 libssl.so.1* and more than 1 libcrypto.so.1*22:33
QuenzOh wait sorry nevermind I miseed your last message22:33
QuenzI'll run that now22:33
TJ-skinux: you cannot have more than 1 of each for the same SONAME22:34
tatertotsQuenz: if you have a "human error" ..just reread my instructions and try to figure out where/what you did wrong (debug).22:34
Quenztatertots https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419299/22:36
tatertotsQuenz: i expect a link or url....so if you don't get a url/link...and you are %100 certain you've followed my instructions to the letter...you should say something about that22:36
Quenztatertots I just sent a link, I'll send it again https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419299/22:37
justJanneHey, short question: do-release-upgrade on zesty fails, because the repos for zesty have been shut down, after zesty’s EOL. How do I do a clean release upgrade now?22:48
ubottuEnd-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades22:48
dax(second link)22:48
projhello. when I "apt upgrade" i get: Err:2 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty/universe amd64 libgtksourceview2.0-0 amd64 2.10.5-2ubuntu322:50
proj  404  Not Found22:50
projis this just local to the .nl server or is there a wider problem at the moment?22:50
naccproj: zesty is eol22:50
nacc!eolupgrade | proj22:50
ubottuproj: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades22:50
projBut 404 not found?22:51
projthat is pretty harsh.22:51
daxEOL releases get moved off the mirror network22:51
naccproj: eol releases get removed22:51
naccnot harsh ata ll22:51
projShouldn't I be able to install software from that particular moment in time?22:51
daxotherwise mirrors would have to sync down a tonne of data for all the old releases that people aren't supposed to be using22:51
daxthere's an old-releases package server. see the second link.22:52
naccproj: read the link22:52
naccproj: but also, upgrade22:52
projOk. Fair enough. Indeed. I just did not want to do it right now. :)22:52
glitchdhello all22:52
naccproj: for instance, you are nnot getting any cve fixes22:52
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glitchdtrying to figure out how i can write a script that enables the screensaver, and re-enables it if it gets deactivated. however i dont want it to run in a loop. im using xscreensaver, and i dont want it to run in a loop because it prints messages on the screen stating that its already active.22:52
tatertotsQuenz: your signal strength appears to be acceptable/54Mbps.22:52
justJanneit’d be nice if do-release-upgrade on EOL releases would automatically tell you "your release is EOL, should your repos be replaced with old-releases... to upgrade?"22:53
daxit'd be nice if people stuck to LTSes if they aren't going to be able to upgrade every 6 months22:53
justJanneit’d be nice if Ubuntu had zero-maintenance releases22:53
akikjustJanne: that's exactly how it should be handled22:54
daxthat'd be quite the achievement, since Ubuntu is a collection of software, and no software is zero-maintenance22:54
projdax: I think I am just surprised by the error. It is not intuitive.22:54
projsuddenly nothing installs22:54
TJ-proj: there is some talk of incorporating an early warning about EOLs22:54
justJannethere’s no explanation, nothing, the mirrors don’t tell you anything "find older releases at ...", the release is just gone from the mirror22:54
projand errors pile up.22:54
Quenztatertots I'm gonna do speed tests again. It's usually very inconsistent so I do 5 different ones each time then average them. Just a sec22:55
justJanneI’ve been planning to move my cluster to container linux from canonical’s k8s anyway, but now I’m gonna make sure I do that as soon as possible22:55
tatertotsQuenz: Ubuntu is recommending the following drivers as "optimal" for your system http://termbin.com/s1ph22:56
projdax: in any case, thanks for solving the issue. Quite simple. :)22:57
Quenztatertots That's the driver I have installed now. Second one looks like a graphics driver. I just did 3 speed tests and got an average of ~5.5 Mbps, which is about half what I get on Mac OS.22:58
tatertotsQuenz: hmmm are you sure bro?.....https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419299/22:59
tatertotsQuenz: when i look at your https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419299/    and i look for what WLAN driver you are using22:59
tatertotsQuenz: driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:432b23:00
QuenzWell, I thought I was using that driver. tatertots How do I get rid of the current one, and add the recommended one?23:00
tatertotsQuenz: which is in total contradiction to what drivers ubuntu is "recommending" you to use http://termbin.com/s1ph23:02
tatertotsQuenz: based off of this...I personally would suggest you repeat your speed test using the "recommended" driver and compare the "averages" to what you have had "historically" using driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:432b23:03
naccjustJanne: ... there are announce posts about eol upcoming; as well as you should know if you intall an OS when its support ends, particularly when ubuntu's is rather consistent23:03
tatertotsQuenz: if you do these things....i think you will be on the path to resolution23:03
Quenztatertots Yes, that's what I want to do. I just don't know how to remove the old driver and add the new one, because I thought I already did that, but obviously not.23:04
tatertotsQuenz: and not going down some weird rabbit whole that you found on some random forum site or something or some weird irc user23:04
skinuxTJ: So, should I delete the duplicates that have something after the .so.1?23:04
justJannenacc: you’d assume that canonical’s cluster management tools would handle this stuff at least semi-automatically23:04
justJanneif I set up a kubernetes cluster, with the underlying OS, I’d want it all to work without any maintenance work23:05
tatertotsQuenz: well let's fix it23:05
Quenztatertots Yes, let's.23:05
justJanneas said, I wanted to switch to coreOS’s container linux anyway23:05
naccjustJanne: you'd need to talk to canonical about that23:05
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justJannegreat, and do-release-upgrade doesn’t work at all now23:07
justJannehow am I supposed to upgrade this now23:07
nacc!eolupgrade | justJanne23:08
ubottujustJanne: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades23:08
naccdid you read that?23:08
justJannenacc: I followed that23:08
justJanneit hangs23:08
justJanneI’ll reboot it all and try again23:08
naccjustJanne: you switched to old-releases for zesty?23:08
naccjustJanne: and made sure you were fully up to date first?23:08
janne2nacc: yes23:09
janne2I switched to old-releases23:09
janne2do-release-upgrade tells me my release is out of date, and then hangs forever23:09
naccjanne2: and made sure you were fully up to date first?23:09
janne2I’m now rebooting every server, and then we’ll see if that helps.23:10
tatertotsQuenz: Ubuntu is recommending the following drivers as "optimal" for your system http://termbin.com/s1ph and based on that, step #1 is to remove/uninstall the following https://paste.ubuntu.com/26419553/23:11
tatertotsQuenz: step #2 ...install the "recommended" driver(s).23:11
tatertotsQuenz: step #3 repeat your speed tests and record results.23:12
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tatertotsQuenz: step #4 let me know how you came out.23:13
Quenztatertots the second one is just a graphics driver, I don't have to worry about that one right now, right?23:13
tatertotsQuenz: ideally...you'd install the recommended driver(s).    (note the (s))23:14
janne2nacc: do-release-upgrade still hangs23:16
naccjanne2: hangs as inn?23:16
janne2nacc: it's stuck for several minutes at https://paste.kde.org/pbf5wp1f123:17
janne2(traceback captured of the function it hangs at)23:17
Quenztatertots Sorry, should I only be installing the drivers marked "recommended", which is only nvidia-340?23:17
naccjanne2: and this is 17.04 upgrading to 17.10?23:18
naccjanne2: i don't know; others have had no issue23:19
tomreynjanne2: you don't have a firewall or aynthing installed that prevents or injects outbound http requests by chance?23:19
janne2firewall yes, but outgoing connections on the external ethernet connection are not modified or blocked23:19
TJ-nacc: janne2 that won't work, it's calling on changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release which, for 17.04, UpgradeTool wants http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/zesty.tar.gz which is a 404 not found23:20
janne2So, TJ-, how do I upgrade then?23:20
janne2the EOL upgrade page tells me to do exactly this23:20
naccTJ-: hrm, others did it successfully earlier23:20
tomreynTJ-: also, 404 != stuck23:21
TJ-nacc: right, I'm checking, but you can see in the traceback  uri = self._expandUri(self.new_dist.upgradeToolSig)23:21
Abr1lcan you help me please?23:21
tomreyn!ask | Abr1l23:21
ubottuAbr1l: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience23:21
Abr1lxauth: /home/mur/.Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored23:21
Abr1lubuntu 16.0423:21
tomreynAbr1l: provide context, what is trying to write to it, why, and why should it be able to.23:22
tomreynAbr1l: ...and how did you end up with this error message23:22
naccTJ-: and I thought that d-r-u used artful's signatures23:23
naccTJ-: but i might be wrong23:23
TJ-janne2: tomreyn nacc ignore me! It'll be fetching the 17.10 UpgradeTool! as in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/artful.tar.gz23:23
naccTJ-: right, new_dist23:23
* TJ- goes to sleep whilst the going's good23:24
SvetaOrvalvisje: hello :-)23:24
SvetaOrvalvisje: may I help you?23:24
Abr1lI updated the system23:24
tomreynjanne2: so does 'wget -O /dev/null http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/artful.tar.gz' work?23:25
tomreynAbr1l: this does not explain how you ran into this message.23:26
tomreynAbr1l: is anything actually broken?23:26
janne2tomreyn: I now simply wget’d that, untar’d it, and do-release-upgrade --data-dir’d it, and am now moving on23:27
janne2which works23:27
janne2while plain do-release-upgrade failed, for whatever reason23:27
Thaelimhey guys, anyone here running the live ubuntu OS on a usb with persistent storage?23:27
naccThaelim: better to ask a support questionn if you have one23:28
SvetaThaelim: maybe! why do you ask?23:29
Abr1ltomreyn, it's not supposed to, but if you do not allow me to enter it's because if there's something wrong23:29
tomreynjanne2: glad you found a workaround. we'll probably never know why it failed.23:29
Thaelimwondering how to basically make the live OS use the persistent partition for any installs like spotify, steam, etc without "installing" the full ubuntu OS onto a second usb. i have tried that it was very unstable and would hang up every 20 sec, but live does fine.23:29
Thaelimand settings on the OS persistent as well23:30
PetruchioI'm having trouble upgrading from 17.04 to 17.10.  dist-upgrade is failing to fetch nplan_0.32~17.04.1_amd64.deb. Updating reports that the repository no longer has a release file.23:31
OrvalvisjeHp laptop, ubuntu 16.04 dual boot win7 ... how to change the language of the ubuntu system? I reside in Brasil, but am not brazilian, however, ubuntu automatically adapted Portuguese as the system language23:31
tomreynThaelim: maybe without a swap partition it would not hang for 20s.23:31
PetruchioTried changing repositories, but that didn't help, so I expect that's not the issue.23:31
PetruchioAny suggestions?23:32
Orvalvisjehowever ... i don't know if portuguese is my "system" language ... in the corner, the day is in portuguese, but on desktop when rightclicking, that is in english23:32
SvetaThaelim: is there a reason why you don't install the OS to an internal disk?23:32
Thaelim@tomreyn i've tried with and without swap partitions unfortunately. and every install takes like 2 hours it feels like. tried many things but nothing really helped23:32
Abr1ltomreyn, When I use a tty and use startx the following appears:23:32
Orvalvisjebut now, when installing updates, it suddenly showed a menu in portuguese23:32
tomreyn!17.04 | Petruchio23:32
ubottuPetruchio: Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and !eolupgrade23:32
SvetaThaelim: just wondering -- usb hardware itself may be unreliable, particularly when something is written multiple times23:32
akikPetruchio: not sure if this is the correct way but to do it but the setup for me sets it up as all finnish, so i correct it in /etc/default/locale23:32
tomreyn!eolupgrade | Petruchio23:33
ubottuPetruchio: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades23:33
Thaelim@Sveta I would like to have the entire install encrypted as well. If i were to dual boot it would erase my windows data as well if i did that, and that's kinda a last resort for me. lots of backup required23:33
Petruchioubottu: :  Yeah, I definitely got that I don't want to be here anymore.23:33
ubottuPetruchio: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)23:33
janne2Petruchio: set your repos in /etc/apt/sources.list to old-releases.ubuntu.com,23:34
janne2then do-release-upgrade should work23:34
PetruchioGreat, thanks.23:34
SvetaThaelim: I'd suggest to back everything up in the case of hardware failure as a first step.23:34
janne2alternatively, download the data file and use it with do-release-upgrade23:34
janne2source: just did that myself23:34
SvetaThaelim: It is possible to create a linux partition and encrypt that without damaging the windows partition.23:34
janne2completely unintuitive indeed23:34
Abr1lxinit server error xauth timeout in locking authoring file /home/mur/.xauthority23:34
Thaelim@Sveta is it easy to screw it up? jw23:34
SvetaThaelim: not really, the installer is specifically designed to make it easy.23:35
tomreynThaelim: hmm maybe you have a very slow usb stick then, or usb <2.0 ports. i've tried this with an older cheap 4GB usb stick and it had occasional slowness but nothing as much, and was very useable. and actually a lot faster than the live image.23:35
Thaelim@sveta well i do have half the hard drive as unalloted space. i would just need to create a partition (ext4?) with it and install on there using the boot with windows option?23:36
Thaelim@sveta and would the encryption be necessary during or after installation?23:37
Abr1ltomreyn, xinit server error xauth timeout in locking authority file /home/mur/.xauthority23:39
SvetaThaelim: it's best to encrypt during the installation; I'm not sure whether the installer handles encrypted dual boot installs out of the box, hang on I'll check23:40
Thaelim@sveta i am gonna bring up the installer. already on ubuntu live fortunately23:43
Thaelim@Sveta with having an encrypted ubuntu install alongside windows on the same HDD, is it possible for the encrypted files to leak over or something similar to that?23:44
SvetaThaelim: you are aware that '/' is your root and '/home' is users' personal directories, yes?23:44
Thaelim@Sveta I remember having to make a partition that's ext4 mount point '/' and another that is fat32 (this was on usb) with mount point as "/yourname"23:45
PetruchioThe upgrade is running.  Thanks janne2 & others.23:45
SvetaThaelim: a common practice is to create separate partition for '/' (≤10GB, this is where the OS puts its installed programs and editable systemwide configs and logs) and another larger partition for '/home' (this is where '/home/sveta/', '/home/thaelim' and the like go, with user data, photos, documents, personal settings and the like)23:46
SvetaThaelim: as a result '/' (without the '/home') does not normally contain sensitive data23:47
Thaelim@Sveta okay that makes sense. so why would you only give no more than 10GB for programs to install? what programs fall into this catagory?23:47
SvetaThaelim: everything - kernel, web browser, login manager, desktop. I personally find that mine fits within 10GB, but if you install lots of programs, you could do 20GB instead.23:48
Thaelim@Sveta I was installing programs after the usb install was done and when i had it only at 10gb or so, i ran out of space fast23:48
Thaelim@Sveta ahh okay makes sense23:48
SvetaThaelim: there are two options: either you encrypt '/home' (home directory encryption), or you encrypt '/home' as well as '/' (full disk encryption)23:49
SvetaThaelim: the latter is more complex and you need to do it during the install process manually, but the former is easier and you can do it after finishing an unencrypted installation.23:49
Thaelim@Sveta I can't imagine i'll need to encrypt "/" after understanding this better23:50
SvetaThaelim: if you wait around here, you may be able to find a volunteer who helps you with full disk encryption with dual boot23:51
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Thaelim@Sveta is that a pretty tricky process? full disk encryption with ubuntu/windows?23:52
SvetaThaelim: it has about five to six steps, but I'm unfamiliar with the underlying technology or concepts, so I'm not comfortable with doing this myself here23:53
SvetaThaelim: (each step is small, detailed at https://askubuntu.com/questions/293028/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-encrypted-with-luks-with-dual-boot for example)23:54
Thaelim@Sveta @rommel Thanks for the resources guys, i'll go check them out23:54
Orvalvisjeanyone about language issues in ubuntu 16.04?23:58
tomreyn!ask | Orvalvisje23:58
SvetaOrvalvisje: maybe! why do you ask?23:58
ubottuOrvalvisje: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience23:58

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