| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:43 |
|---|---|---|
| lotuspsychje | pragmanticenigma found this bug for ltsupgrade: | 04:04 |
| lotuspsychje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890 | 04:04 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1766890 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Bionic) "package gnome-menus 3.13.3-6ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: triggers looping, abandoned" [Undecided,In progress] | 04:04 |
| guiverc | thanks lotuspsychje (bug info..) | 04:22 |
| lotuspsychje | np guiverc seems thats what holding up..on different machines | 04:22 |
| guiverc | & on good side - fix released was marked ~6 hours ago.. :) | 04:24 |
| lotuspsychje | ah didnt notice that guiverc tnx | 04:27 |
| lotuspsychje | guiverc: lets keep an eye on upgrade windows today then | 04:27 |
| lotuspsychje | !info ubuntu-release-upgrader xenial | 04:33 |
| ubot5 | Package ubuntu-release-upgrader does not exist in xenial | 04:33 |
| lotuspsychje | !info libc6 xenial | 04:34 |
| ubot5 | libc6 (source: glibc): GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.23-0ubuntu10 (xenial), package size 2212 kB, installed size 9582 kB | 04:34 |
| lotuspsychje | !info ubuntu-release-upgrader cosmic | 04:34 |
| ubot5 | Package ubuntu-release-upgrader does not exist in cosmic | 04:35 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm | 04:35 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl | 04:36 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: always a pain atheros & realtek | 05:32 |
| lotuspsychje | when are they gonna fix this working by default | 05:32 |
| lotuspsychje | default users shouldnt be poking at realtek gits right | 05:32 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1769386 #8 got it working on my bug with a git | 05:34 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1769386 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Cable network does not get recognized anymore, wifi works" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 05:34 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: sorry, i missed this entirely | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: dont sweat mate im used to idle | 06:09 |
| === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: you should document what happens when you try to use the card | 06:13 |
| tomreyn | so far i think there are only variations of "does not work" on there. which it probably boild down toi, but it may help triaging this to know how it fails. | 06:14 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: like in a syslog tail? | 06:14 |
| tomreyn | whatever relevant log is on syslog or dmesg, yes | 06:14 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: problem is this happens on a customers box..i cant be there always | 06:14 |
| tomreyn | or try to bring it up manually and see what the result is | 06:14 |
| lotuspsychje | this is what i bugged it from customers box | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | hoping for a fix | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | next time ill be there ill run few more tests | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: but this bug is really not the first on atheros and realtek... | 06:16 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: definitely not ;) | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | but good idea tomreyn next bug i do remote, ill keep the tail open | 06:18 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: it seems like this is a widespread issue, so it should not be too hard to get more information. | 06:19 |
| tomreyn | also , this seems to be a workaround: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1779817#19 | 06:19 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1779817 in linux (Ubuntu) "r8169 no internet after suspending" [Medium,Confirmed] | 06:19 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c | 06:19 |
| tomreyn | actually there's only one saying it made it work, 2 saying it didnt | 06:20 |
| lotuspsychje | interesting find tomreyn | 06:21 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: comment #39 | 06:21 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: i reported the bug from customers xenial on Uname: Linux 4.13.0-39-generic x86_64 | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | so lets assume realtek was working fine below kernel 4.13 and update broke it | 06:22 |
| tomreyn | xenial now has 4.15, too | 06:22 |
| tomreyn | for hwe | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah but i reported it broken on 4.13 | 06:22 |
| tomreyn | right | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | on clean install realtek worked find, cant recall wich kernel that was | 06:23 |
| tomreyn | it must be a regression :-/ | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | fine | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | those realteks always work/not work on kernel versions and linux-firmware | 06:23 |
| tomreyn | you could downgrade the customer machone to 4.4 (GA kernel) if that's an option for them + you, until it's fixed | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: i might do the bionic test also | 06:24 |
| lotuspsychje | got some new ideas now tomreyn tnx :p | 06:24 |
| tomreyn | note this kernel wont work with secure boot | 06:25 |
| tomreyn | but it could work on xenial, i guess | 06:25 |
| tomreyn | i'm sleepy, ttyl | 06:25 |
| lotuspsychje | okay mate sleep tight! | 06:25 |
| lotuspsychje | enjoy the breeze | 06:25 |
| tomreyn | :) will | 06:25 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:37 |
| mwsb | JimBuntu: Not sure if you know of nfsplus but a somewhat well-known troll with nothing better to do with his time. | 08:52 |
| JimBuntu | Ah, I did not, thanks | 08:53 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 09:39 |
| * BluesKaj tries to wake up, but it's too early...damn insomnia :/ | 09:58 | |
| JimBuntu | BluesKaj, I woke up 5 hours ago, thanks to insomnia | 10:00 |
| BluesKaj | whoa JimBuntu, guess you'll be napping today :-) | 10:01 |
| BluesKaj | I don'r sleep in like I used to ...must be one of the signs of old age | 10:04 |
| BluesKaj | waiting for the coffee to kick in | 10:07 |
| lotuspsychje | hey BluesKaj | 10:09 |
| BluesKaj | hey lotuspsychje | 10:09 |
| lotuspsychje | coffee the black gold | 10:10 |
| BluesKaj | yup | 10:11 |
| BluesKaj | oh no, not another multiple monitor problem...fixing that is so hit and miss | 10:21 |
| TJ- | sounds more like multi-GPU | 10:21 |
| BluesKaj | assumed 2 gpus = 2 monitors | 10:23 |
| BluesKaj | assumed wrong, it's 5 | 10:32 |
| TJ- | BluesKaj: can you recall where the per-user Xorg log is now? somewhere under $HOME isn't it? My system is still logging to /var/log/ but I've seen a few where it's in $HOME | 10:41 |
| BluesKaj | TJ-, still have Xorg.0.log in /var/log on 18.10 Cosmic | 10:44 |
| TJ- | hmmm I wonder under what circumstances its also under $HOME | 10:44 |
| BluesKaj | haven't heard of that | 10:45 |
| ducasse | TJ-: ~/.local/share/xorg i think | 10:53 |
| BluesKaj | Hi ducasse, I don't have that path | 10:56 |
| TJ- | Thanks ducasse. any idea under what circumstances that happens? is it just for the gdm3/gnome desktop? | 10:57 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: me neither, but i'm fairly sure that's it | 10:58 |
| TJ- | !paste | 10:58 |
| ubot5 | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 10:58 |
| ducasse | aiui (and i might be wrong) it's used when x is run under your userid instead of root | 10:58 |
| BluesKaj | I'm receiving this notice when apt updating, should I be concerned? (appstreamcli:4538): GLib-CRITICAL **: 06:51:35.352: g_atomic_ref_count_dec: assertion 'g_atomic_int_get (arc) > 0' failed | 10:59 |
| JimBuntu | BluesKaj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1785498 | 11:00 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1785498 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "g_atomic_ref_count_dec: assertion 'g_atomic_int_get (arc) > 0' failed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:00 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: the appstream thing is only used to provide extra information to gnome software, i think | 11:01 |
| ducasse | at least that's the answer i was given when i asked about it | 11:02 |
| TJ- | ducasse: re: xorg - so probably thats the way gdm3 is configured in 18.04 | 11:02 |
| BluesKaj | ok thanks JimBuntu, ducasse ...seems not to affect my updates/upgrades, they still continue after the notice | 11:03 |
| TJ- | BluesKaj: ducasse I do wish programmers would handle those asserts as reports to the user as well, about what was being attempted | 11:03 |
| ducasse | TJ-: dunno, i still use lightdm. when this change was introduced i think it was due to systemd changes. | 11:11 |
| TJ- | yes, sounds about right | 11:16 |
| ducasse | there was a debian bug report on it, iirc | 11:18 |
| TJ- | makes sense to not run the server as root | 11:19 |
| ducasse | it does, sure | 11:19 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning tomreyn :p | 15:31 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: ;) been awake for a while | 15:31 |
| tomreyn | well, as much as you can be awake at 38°C | 15:31 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: a users from this morning asked for you, told him you was afk, and he went for rebooting | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | didnt get more feedback from him | 15:32 |
| tomreyn | uh oh ;) | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | fre..something | 15:32 |
| tomreyn | got it, thanks | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: here it cooled a bit today | 15:32 |
| tomreyn | nice! i should have a thunderstorm in an hour, too | 15:33 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 15:34 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: spain & portugal 40-45c | 15:35 |
| lotuspsychje | were on the good side :p | 15:35 |
| tomreyn | omg, i'd just die | 15:38 |
| tomreyn | this bottom left red blobl is my only hope right now http://i.imgur.com/N1Pezzd.png | 15:39 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 15:42 |
| TJ- | here it comes! just hitting me now, rain that is | 15:43 |
| TJ- | sat outside with PC | 15:43 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 15:44 |
| tomreyn | hopefulyl your pc didnt get hit | 15:46 |
| lotuspsychje | hey blackflow | 15:47 |
| TJ- | I'm under the inside-out room :) | 15:51 |
| hggdh | TJ-: will look for erge, just read it on -ops | 16:29 |
| TJ- | hggdh: oh, that was hours ago :) | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | what do you guys think of adding this to !ppapurge ? | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-list-and-remove-ppa-repository-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux | 16:39 |
| hggdh | TJ-: yes, I know... sorry. Just wanted you to know it was not a waste of time to report the user | 16:40 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: nice | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: i found linuxconfig a very decent tut site | 16:43 |
| hggdh | (although there is one word in the page that is coloured green/blue that I almost cannot read) | 16:43 |
| TJ- | hggdh: ahhh, thanks | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | and as more users would start using bionic.. | 16:43 |
| hggdh | yes | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: wich word? | 16:43 |
| TJ- | the green one :p | 16:44 |
| TJ- | or should i say , the invisible one? | 16:44 |
| hggdh | actually, all the green ones :-) | 16:44 |
| tomreyn | there are three: java, master-daily, PPA | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | its less visible indeed | 16:45 |
| tomreyn | i think the guide is sound, just the 'gui way' for removal lacks explanation on how to identify + remove the repo gpg signing key | 16:46 |
| tomreyn | Better than the current, though: <reply>To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html | 16:48 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah the webupd8 is flaky | 16:48 |
| lotuspsychje | but would the linuxconfig one, work on xenial aswell? | 16:48 |
| lotuspsychje | cause we still got 2 years xenial boxes | 16:49 |
| tomreyn | this hasn't changes since 14.04 i think | 16:49 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 16:49 |
| tomreyn | so, yes, works on xenial | 16:50 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 16:51 |
| lotuspsychje | but no gpg heh | 16:52 |
| tomreyn | oh ppa-purge is also not mentioned, that's actually a reason to look for something better, or write it, if you can, somewhere, just like on a wiki which no one can access to. | 16:55 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah, cause we need that trigger alot | 16:56 |
| tomreyn | the proper solution would be to add functionality (and a --switch) to apt-add-repostory to purge packages (or package versions) installed from the repository to be removed, like ppa-purge does it. | 16:59 |
| daftykins | the irony about ppa-purge is you used to have to install it from a PPA | 16:59 |
| daftykins | >:D | 16:59 |
| lotuspsychje | !info ppa-purge | 17:00 |
| ubot5 | ppa-purge (source: ppa-purge): disables a PPA and reverts to official packages. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+bzr63 (bionic), package size 6 kB, installed size 24 kB | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychje | yayy | 17:00 |
| daftykins | ah har :> | 17:00 |
| tomreyn | :) i think it was never that welcome, since it's a bash, not a python script, thus not using the python apt classes as all the other tools do, and since ti was not complete / reliable for a long time. a community contributed tool. | 17:01 |
| daftykins | ah i see | 17:01 |
| tomreyn | (i'm guessing a lot there) | 17:02 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: apt-add-repository has a --remove option | 17:04 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: doesn't that also purge packets? | 17:04 |
| TJ- | ahhh, no, I see it doesn't | 17:04 |
| tomreyn | right | 17:11 |
| tomreyn | oerheks: fwupd is the firmware updating daemon - just in case oyu're not aware | 21:27 |
| tomreyn | i dont know how it retrieves its updates, this may depend on the vendor | 21:27 |
| oerheks | yes, i am looking and reading, maybe a source in his lists, or a cronjob.. | 21:32 |
| tomreyn | hope you don't mind me taking over... i know very little about it, too, though. | 21:53 |
| daftykins | what's getting updated? :) i think only my toaster is safe from me, at this point | 21:55 |
| oerheks | interesting indeed, http://termbin.com/pivl | 21:58 |
| daftykins | hmm gigabyte | 22:01 |
| daftykins | they want to flash their mobo? | 22:01 |
| oerheks | a long term wish: a tool that updates firmware, even the bios | 22:07 |
| oerheks | i am learning tonight | 22:08 |
| daftykins | is that what's happening? someone wants to update the BIOS on their mobo? because that one has a built-in tool... | 22:08 |
| daftykins | i can only imagine i have gotten the situation wrong :) | 22:08 |
| oerheks | https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu.html | 22:10 |
| oerheks | up to 10 min ago, see the end | 22:10 |
| daftykins | ty | 22:10 |
| daftykins | makes no sense why anyone should pursue a Linux based update method when a motherboard has native support free from an OS | 22:14 |
| oerheks | hmm | 22:19 |
| oerheks | can uefi be updated from ;linux when a password is set? | 22:19 |
| oerheks | tom ^ | 22:20 |
| tomreyn | oerheks: i dont know | 22:21 |
| tomreyn | chances are you'd either need to enter it then, or it will just fail | 22:22 |
| daftykins | why would you take the risk? | 22:22 |
| tomreyn | which risk? | 22:22 |
| tomreyn | (i'm asking since there could be multiple, not because i dont see one) | 22:23 |
| daftykins | i might have gotten the wrong impression still, but are you talking with that guy about using a Linux based app to update his gigabyte motherboard BIOS? | 22:23 |
| oerheks | besides risc, i would not allow linux to do that, i find it interesting, but want to know the cuplit users can encounter, so i was thinking about protected firmware like uefi | 22:24 |
| tomreyn | daftykins: we're talking about the person who reported that their system showed this error message https://i.imgur.com/xKCMsQE.png and i think they had a gigabyte mainboard. | 22:24 |
| tomreyn | risc or risk :) | 22:24 |
| daftykins | ah ok so it's unrelated, but for some reason a fwupd thing is running o0 | 22:24 |
| tomreyn | oerheks: uefi has a generic firmware update staging mechanism, so it's entirely possible to design this safely. | 22:25 |
| tomreyn | the actual update is then only carried out on reboot | 22:25 |
| tomreyn | also firmwares are almost always signed or at least checksummed nowadays. | 22:26 |
| oerheks | i am reading https://fwupd.org/users now | 22:27 |
| daftykins | mmm when my friend was helping me make that modified BIOS, i had to bypass that | 22:27 |
| tomreyn | daftykins: fwupd and fwupdate\* are installed by default on 18.04. | 22:27 |
| oerheks | new stuff indeed | 22:27 |
| tomreyn | last time i read about it, fwupd was considered a stillbirth | 22:28 |
| daftykins | figures Canonical are touching it then ;D | 22:28 |
| tomreyn | it's great to have this generic, vendor independant framework, for this purpose. but having this doesn't automatically make cvendors support it. | 22:29 |
| tomreyn | pressure on them is rising during the past and future years, luckily, though. | 22:29 |
| daftykins | given how many people use Linux? goodness no :P | 22:30 |
| oerheks | lot of work to do https://fwupd.org/vendorlist | 22:30 |
| tomreyn | proprietary firmwares for things as central as the mainbord you acquired should be a no go. | 22:30 |
| daftykins | if i were at Asus i'd just laugh | 22:30 |
| tomreyn | daftykins: i doubt fwupd is strictly linux dependant. well the imlementation probably is, but i'm sure it could be adapted for other OS. | 22:31 |
| tomreyn | wow, this list has grown | 22:32 |
| daftykins | i'll stick to native tools :D | 22:32 |
| tomreyn | last time i looked at it i think it had 3 records | 22:32 |
| tomreyn | well those are native tools. they use the mechanism uefi offers for staging FW updates | 22:33 |
| tomreyn | for mainboard that is | 22:33 |
| tomreyn | not sure about other devices | 22:33 |
| daftykins | quite like my fancy modern Asus mobos being able to read the files straight off even NTFS HDDs to update from | 22:34 |
| tomreyn | https://lwn.net/Articles/761860/ | 22:36 |
| tomreyn | looks like hey may actuall make it happen, that'd be awesome. | 22:38 |
| daftykins | is there a rule that all open source related sites have to appear as if from the 90s? :) | 22:44 |
| pauljw | they're probably all running on 90s servers | 22:49 |
| daftykins | xD | 22:49 |
| tomreyn | © R.M.S. web design | 22:59 |
| tsimonq2 | Uhm... ubuntu.com is kinda open source related and it looks *beautiful* | 23:00 |
| tsimonq2 | So does Lubuntu.me. ;) | 23:00 |
| daftykins | quiet you! ;D | 23:00 |
| pauljw | RMS - another topic that gives me a headache. if he would have spend a tenth of the effort that he has expended on dissertations re: why we should call linux gnulinux, writing code, he may actually have a working Hurd kernel. 30yrs later... | 23:13 |
| daftykins | he's too busy trying to find a parrot and asking to borrow other peoples phones so he doesn't have to touch closed source ;D | 23:15 |
| pauljw | heheh | 23:15 |
| oerheks | i am fighting the image of an eating-toenail-guy | 23:16 |
| pauljw | lol | 23:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | who is RMS pauljw ? | 23:20 |
| tomreyn | IMO he's > current U.S. president. a mean way to kill a discussion, i know., | 23:20 |
| tomreyn | stallman, the Gnu behind the GNU | 23:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | that's what I thought... the RM threw me | 23:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | I think most OpenSource project sites look 90s is because that's when the project started and most devs are trying to write software, not make a pretty website | 23:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | much better tools for content management today that reduce the repetiveness of web develpement of yesteryear | 23:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | I think those kids today had no idea, we used to have to code each page by hand, top to bottom | 23:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | and to make a style change meant editing every single page on the site | 23:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | now how stallman thinks usign a land line is safe, when most of the MA-Bell was all closed source | 23:24 |
| daftykins | doubt they've all been online that long | 23:27 |
| pragmaticenigma | oh... it's fun when a new hire comes out of college and gets a real taste of supporting legacy applications | 23:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | WebForms for life!!! | 23:28 |
| oerheks | grinn https://me.me/i/a-ggag-com-1988-picard-introduces-2002-bill-gates-introduces-8788255 | 23:32 |
| pragmaticenigma | far as stallman goes ... it's true that we really shouldn't lump it as Linux... since Linux is only the kernel... but how does one give a name to a bunch of things with that as a common thread | 23:33 |
| daftykins | well just to name what you're running you have to have a lengthy conversation and also cover the stupid pretentious pronunciations :< | 23:34 |
| pauljw | only the kernel, which explains why after 30yrs he still can't manage to get a working one. | 23:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | pauljw: stallman doesn't have anything to do with linux kernel... that's Torvalds baby | 23:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | stallman => userspace, torvalds => systemspace | 23:37 |
| daftykins | i believe pauljw was talking about Hurd? | 23:40 |
| daftykins | can't say i'm familiar | 23:40 |
| pauljw | i know whose baby it is, and that's what is driving little Ricky crazy. the GNU project which is RMS's is still trying to get the Hurd kernel to run. | 23:40 |
| tomreyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWZtcxWiJjE | 23:49 |
| tomreyn | gnu hurd release date poll | 23:49 |
| daftykins | i Hurd you like delays | 23:51 |
| tomreyn | sure, i live in berlin, we love delays. | 23:52 |
| daftykins | :D | 23:52 |
| tomreyn | you might have heard about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport | 23:52 |
| tomreyn | i suspect HURD will release first | 23:53 |
| daftykins | hmm nope | 23:56 |
| pauljw | no way... | 23:57 |
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