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dagdag | good evening!...having some trouble with saving my settings in terminal,alsamixer...eachtime i reboot the settings either for speaker or headphone swith off...ive tried saving with and without sudo,command alsactl store...but nothing...im running the latest studio..and on the other laptop,,running 18.1..with same problem.. | 18:36 |
dagdag_ | good evening!...having some trouble with saving my settings in terminal,alsamixer...eachtime i reboot the settings either for speaker or headphone swith off...ive tried saving with and without sudo,command alsactl store...but nothing...im running the latest studio..and on the other laptop,,running 18.1..with same problem.. | 18:42 |
dagdag_ | good evening!...having some trouble with saving my settings in terminal,alsamixer...eachtime i reboot the settings either for speaker or headphone swith off...ive tried saving with and without sudo,command alsactl store...but nothing...im running the latest studio..and on the other laptop,,running 18.1..with same problem.. | 18:44 |
FunkyStickman | Are you using Pulse Audio at all? | 18:49 |
dagdag_ | yes.. | 18:50 |
dagdag_ | all settings there are ok | 18:51 |
dagdag_ | im just searchig for a way to save my settings in terminal | 18:52 |
FunkyStickman | "alsactl store" saves settings in /etc/asound.state Have you looked at that file? | 18:53 |
FunkyStickman | Does it exist, and can you edit it? | 18:53 |
FunkyStickman | might be in /etc/alsa/asound.store | 18:53 |
dagdag_ | let me take a look | 18:54 |
dagdag_ | dont have that file etc/asound.state | 18:57 |
FunkyStickman | is it anywhere else? | 18:59 |
dagdag_ | nope nowhere to be found | 19:00 |
FunkyStickman | Could also be in your home folder somewhere. Like ~/.config/alsa/ but there should be one somewhere. If it's not, then you could try making a blank file, then try to store settings again. | 19:03 |
dagdag_ | ok..let me take a look | 19:04 |
FunkyStickman | I'm not at my Ubuntu computer right now, so I can't double check it... | 19:05 |
FunkyStickman | But might give you some ideas to look for | 19:06 |
dagdag_ | working on it..creating this new file should i create it in the file of alsa or separate | 19:07 |
FunkyStickman | the alsa documentation says it's looking for /etc/asound.store so I would try that first | 19:07 |
dagdag_ | ok | 19:08 |
FunkyStickman | make sure you set correct permissions on it, too | 19:10 |
dagdag_ | just not there...can we go back a few steps...if i have the alsamixer open in terminal...how would you store it and what happens after the command like sudo alsactl store? | 19:11 |
FunkyStickman | Read this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/50067/howto-save-alsamixer-settings | 19:12 |
FunkyStickman | the "store" command should create or modify the /etc/asound.store file. | 19:13 |
FunkyStickman | Can try "alsactl --file ~/.config/asound.state store" | 19:13 |
FunkyStickman | which would be in your home directory | 19:13 |
OvenWerks | dagdag_: your audio should be where you left it when you reboot. | 19:14 |
FunkyStickman | ~ means your home directory | 19:14 |
OvenWerks | however, if pulse can see the device, it will change settings on it as it sees fit. | 19:15 |
dagdag_ | hi ovenwerks | 19:15 |
dagdag_ | all getting a bit mixed up for me here | 19:15 |
OvenWerks | pulse does watch jack (not jackd) pins to sense when phones are pulgged/unplugged and changes settings as required | 19:15 |
dagdag_ | nope cant follow | 19:16 |
OvenWerks | Jack has no way of knowing if you have phones plugged in or not and would not adjust settings anyway. | 19:16 |
dagdag_ | so i have open terminal alsamixer...cause eactime i reboot the settings have changed | 19:16 |
OvenWerks | the alsa control settings have changed in which way? | 19:17 |
dagdag_ | that either head phones or speaker are on mm | 19:17 |
dagdag_ | and totaly silence | 19:18 |
dagdag_ | when i open alsamixer in terminal,and i change the settings and then close terminal everyth is fine when i reboot laptop settings change..looking for a way to save these settings | 19:19 |
OvenWerks | So you are using jack for audio as a back end? | 19:21 |
dagdag_ | what does it mean back end | 19:22 |
OvenWerks | dagdag_: normally if pulse can see the device it will switch between hp and speaker on it's own... | 19:23 |
OvenWerks | but when we add jack to the mix that doesn't happen. In your case it seems it is only a change in mixer settings (good) some laptops actually change the meaning of the pins in the jack | 19:24 |
dagdag_ | well when i had opened pulseaudio at the moment i had at all sound i saw movement but no sound and so i started searching in the terminal..and i found alsa mixed changed the settings and it worked...but when i restarted the laptop i had to do these setting again and again... | 19:25 |
OvenWerks | ok in the pulse control application in the Output Devices tab, which device does it say it is using? | 19:26 |
OvenWerks | Mine says jack sink. | 19:26 |
dagdag_ | well all these settings changed when the story started about getting my maudio connected to musescore...eickm send me ppa and i installed...must say musescore works great now!!:) | 19:27 |
dagdag_ | you took me through the rest of the settings | 19:27 |
OvenWerks | yes, in pavucontrol under the Output Devices tab which device does it say you are using? | 19:28 |
dagdag_ | where can i find pavucontrol | 19:28 |
OvenWerks | That is what sound setting opens from the little speaker icon in the top bar | 19:29 |
OvenWerks | The title will be "Volume Control" | 19:29 |
dagdag_ | jacksink | 19:30 |
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OvenWerks | (title of the window that opens) | 19:30 |
OvenWerks | right. ok. | 19:30 |
dagdag_ | jacksink(pulseout) | 19:30 |
OvenWerks | jack does not know how to detect if the headphones are plugged in or not | 19:30 |
OvenWerks | the order of operations when you boot is: | 19:31 |
M_aD | dagdag_: next time please post once and wait for someone to respond: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 19:31 |
M_aD | :) | 19:32 |
dagdag_ | ok | 19:32 |
OvenWerks | pulse starts and can see your device. It checks to see if the phones are plugged in or not and shuts off either the phones or the speakers. | 19:32 |
OvenWerks | Then autojack runs and tells pulse to ignore any devices so they won't interfere. | 19:33 |
dagdag_ | ok | 19:33 |
OvenWerks | so if you plug or unplug phones after that pulse can't change the settings for you. | 19:33 |
dagdag_ | so this is not working correct | 19:33 |
OvenWerks | now, you can leave the level up for both speakers and phones, but that is probably not what you want. | 19:34 |
OvenWerks | It depedns on what you call correct :) | 19:34 |
dagdag_ | no when i use headph i dont want to hear speackr | 19:35 |
OvenWerks | Most audio devices that are used for audio production work do not work like the HDA audio and deal with phone on their own and so jack doesn't "listen" for a plug change. | 19:36 |
OvenWerks | right. | 19:36 |
dagdag_ | how do i continue | 19:36 |
OvenWerks | So to use alsactl you probably would need to save two file with settings in and switch from one to the other. | 19:37 |
dagdag_ | can you take me through that path | 19:38 |
OvenWerks | But you don't want to have to open a terminal to do so... | 19:38 |
dagdag_ | i have open alsamixer in terminal and i have made all the settings how i want | 19:38 |
OvenWerks | Do you always use things the same? | 19:38 |
OvenWerks | IE with headphones in? | 19:39 |
* OvenWerks notes that headphone switching is on the list for -controls | 19:39 | |
OvenWerks | ro do you need a way to trun the speakers on as well? | 19:40 |
OvenWerks | *or | 19:40 |
* OvenWerks typing is not too good today :/ | 19:40 | |
dagdag_ | i have made the settings in alsamixr so all volumes are up and when i plug in headph speakr go off | 19:41 |
OvenWerks | cool do the alsa settings change? | 19:41 |
dagdag_ | i would like to learn how to store these settings properly | 19:41 |
OvenWerks | right first we need to save the settings in a convenient place. | 19:42 |
dagdag_ | ok | 19:42 |
dagdag_ | tell me | 19:42 |
* OvenWerks is looking it up... | 19:43 | |
dagdag_ | hows the weather in vanc island | 19:43 |
OvenWerks | in a terminal type: alsactl -f ~/.config/phoneson store | 19:45 |
OvenWerks | the weather is fine sunny and dry | 19:45 |
dagdag_ | do i need to open another tab for this | 19:45 |
OvenWerks | any terminal will do | 19:45 |
dagdag_ | great...here is nighttime sleepy:) | 19:45 |
OvenWerks | you should see your file with: ls -l ~/.config/phoneon | 19:46 |
OvenWerks | the size should be more than zero :) | 19:46 |
dagdag_ | i copiep and pasted the whole line and entered.. | 19:46 |
dagdag_ | i did nothing | 19:47 |
dagdag_ | copied | 19:47 |
OvenWerks | it should do nothing you can hear, alsa should still show things the same. | 19:47 |
OvenWerks | does ls -l ~/.config/phoneon show a file there? | 19:48 |
dagdag_ | ls -l ~/.config/phoneon this file doesnt show | 19:48 |
OvenWerks | sorry spelling mistake... ls -l ~/.config/phoneson | 19:49 |
OvenWerks | I missed the s | 19:49 |
dagdag_ | tell me where i can see this file | 19:51 |
OvenWerks | from your home directory in.config/ | 19:51 |
OvenWerks | from your home directory in .config/ | 19:51 |
dagdag_ | no not there...maybe i seem to be doing someth wrong in terminal | 19:52 |
OvenWerks | when I do: ls -l ~/.config/phoneson | 19:53 |
OvenWerks | I get: -rw-rw-r-- 1 len len 31821 May 30 12:52 phoneson | 19:53 |
OvenWerks | So my file is 32kish | 19:53 |
OvenWerks | yours will likely be smaller | 19:53 |
dagdag_ | in my terminal it just writes...my name and my computersname..and nothing else | 19:54 |
dagdag_ | one moment | 19:55 |
dagdag_ | mine writes all the same,,except my name and a number 9556 | 19:57 |
OvenWerks | good. We have two more files to create... | 19:57 |
OvenWerks | the normal place to keep a file to do something (a script) would be ~/.local/bin/ | 19:59 |
OvenWerks | Are you ok with editing a file in a terminal? | 19:59 |
dagdag_ | i have no idea give it a try | 19:59 |
OvenWerks | Give me a minute my wife calls... | 20:00 |
OvenWerks | in a terminal: | 20:02 |
OvenWerks | nano ~/.local/bin/sndset.sh | 20:02 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:03 |
OvenWerks | That should open an editor with a white bar on top and two lines of "help" on the bottom | 20:03 |
OvenWerks | the first line: | 20:03 |
OvenWerks | #!/bash | 20:04 |
OvenWerks | The next line is sleep 10 | 20:04 |
dagdag_ | top writes gnu nano 3.2 | 20:04 |
dagdag_ | down writes | 20:04 |
OvenWerks | the next would be: | 20:05 |
dagdag_ | lots of things but also ..home bin does not exist | 20:05 |
OvenWerks | alsactl -f ~/.config/phoneson restore | 20:05 |
OvenWerks | of course sorry. | 20:06 |
OvenWerks | mkdir ~/.local | 20:06 |
OvenWerks | mkdir ~/.local/bin | 20:06 |
OvenWerks | then you should be able to do: | 20:06 |
OvenWerks | nano ~/.local/bin/sndset.sh | 20:08 |
dagdag_ | momnet | 20:08 |
dagdag_ | moment]\ | 20:08 |
OvenWerks | The file when finished should look like: www.ovenwerks.net/paste/sndset.sh | 20:10 |
OvenWerks | Odd it did npot add the http:// to the front. | 20:12 |
dagdag_ | just a sec..i lost it completely... | 20:13 |
dagdag_ | yea i lost the whole story...i have one terminal open with the alsa settings...and another one open with gnu nano 3.2 which writes in the bottom new file | 20:16 |
dagdag_ | thats where i am..what do i do | 20:17 |
dagdag_ | please step by step | 20:17 |
OvenWerks | you want to add three lines: | 20:17 |
OvenWerks | #!bash | 20:17 |
OvenWerks | sleep 10 | 20:17 |
OvenWerks | alsactl -f ~/.config/phoneson restore | 20:17 |
dagdag_ | did all that in the gnu nano terminal | 20:19 |
dagdag_ | do i press enter | 20:19 |
OvenWerks | control X will ask if you want to save it (choose Yes | 20:19 |
OvenWerks | control x means hold the control key down and press X in case that is not clear | 20:20 |
dagdag_ | aha | 20:21 |
dagdag_ | did that and also the YES | 20:21 |
dagdag_ | crweated a file | 20:22 |
dagdag_ | let me search for it | 20:22 |
OvenWerks | ok again on the terminal command line type: | 20:22 |
OvenWerks | chmod +x ~/.local/bin/sndset.sh | 20:23 |
OvenWerks | then if you type: | 20:24 |
OvenWerks | ls ~/.local/bin/* | 20:24 |
OvenWerks | you should see sndset.sh | 20:24 |
dagdag_ | one moment | 20:24 |
OvenWerks | in green | 20:24 |
dagdag_ | chmod +x ~/.local/bin/sndset.sh...do i open another terminal for this one | 20:28 |
OvenWerks | shouldn't have to so long as you have one open just use it | 20:29 |
OvenWerks | the editor shold have exited when you saved the file | 20:29 |
dagdag_ | well i put this line i a terminal and it says;no such file or directory | 20:30 |
OvenWerks | what happens if you just do ls? | 20:30 |
OvenWerks | can you see the file in the current directory? | 20:31 |
dagdag_ | no | 20:31 |
OvenWerks | I'm confused. | 20:32 |
OvenWerks | if you type in: pwd what does it show? | 20:32 |
dagdag_ | it writes in blue different files...but not the one created ..yea me tooooo:) | 20:32 |
dagdag_ | home and my name | 20:33 |
OvenWerks | blue is directories | 20:33 |
OvenWerks | ok type cd ~/.local | 20:33 |
OvenWerks | then type: ls | 20:33 |
dagdag_ | writes in blue bin share | 20:34 |
OvenWerks | you shold see a blue bin | 20:34 |
OvenWerks | ok type cd bin | 20:34 |
dagdag_ | yes | 20:34 |
OvenWerks | then type: ls | 20:35 |
dagdag_ | writes in grey some sndset.sh | 20:35 |
OvenWerks | good | 20:36 |
OvenWerks | type: chmod +x sndset.sh | 20:36 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:37 |
OvenWerks | type: ls | 20:37 |
OvenWerks | (again) it should now be green | 20:37 |
dagdag_ | snd is green | 20:37 |
OvenWerks | ]type: ./sndset.sh | 20:38 |
OvenWerks | your cursor should set for 10 sec | 20:38 |
OvenWerks | (no error) | 20:38 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:38 |
dagdag_ | no error | 20:39 |
OvenWerks | in alsamixer, mess up your settings. turn the headphones down or something | 20:39 |
OvenWerks | Then type: ./sndset.sh | 20:39 |
OvenWerks | again and your settings should be restored | 20:40 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:40 |
OvenWerks | (and we have one more file to create) | 20:40 |
dagdag_ | one moment | 20:40 |
dagdag_ | i shut off the hphone an speakrs | 20:41 |
OvenWerks | ./sndset.sh | 20:41 |
OvenWerks | should turn them back on | 20:42 |
dagdag_ | nope | 20:42 |
OvenWerks | no error? | 20:43 |
dagdag_ | no | 20:43 |
dagdag_ | ah wait | 20:44 |
dagdag_ | YES | 20:44 |
OvenWerks | It should take 10 sec | 20:44 |
dagdag_ | they are back to normal | 20:44 |
OvenWerks | good | 20:44 |
dagdag_ | it took 10sec | 20:44 |
dagdag_ | :) | 20:44 |
OvenWerks | Now we want this to run by itself when you log in | 20:45 |
dagdag_ | tell me is there not an easier way ... | 20:45 |
dagdag_ | ok lets go.... | 20:45 |
OvenWerks | At the bottom of the main menu there is an icon with a switch and two tools crossed | 20:45 |
OvenWerks | when you hover over it it should say All settings | 20:46 |
OvenWerks | if you click on that the settings manager should open | 20:46 |
dagdag_ | got it | 20:46 |
OvenWerks | Almost at the bottom there is Session and Startup | 20:47 |
dagdag_ | yes | 20:47 |
OvenWerks | if you click on that there are five tabs click on Application Autostart | 20:48 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:48 |
OvenWerks | Near the bottom there is +Add | 20:48 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:48 |
dagdag_ | go ahead | 20:49 |
OvenWerks | A dialog opens and asks for a name: sndset would be fine | 20:49 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:50 |
OvenWerks | The description doesn't matter | 20:50 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:50 |
OvenWerks | the command has a directory box beside it and you can click on that | 20:50 |
dagdag_ | ok | 20:50 |
OvenWerks | if you click on you home directory you should see in the list: .local | 20:51 |
OvenWerks | double click then same with bin | 20:51 |
dagdag_ | wait | 20:52 |
OvenWerks | and same with sndset.sh | 20:52 |
OvenWerks | sorry | 20:52 |
dagdag_ | few steps back | 20:53 |
dagdag_ | i clicked on directory box | 20:53 |
dagdag_ | and doesnt say .local anywhere | 20:53 |
OvenWerks | on the side there is a places column | 20:54 |
OvenWerks | in that colomn there should be your user name. click on that | 20:54 |
dagdag_ | just sndset.sh and 50pulse someth | 20:54 |
OvenWerks | ok click on sndset,sh | 20:54 |
dagdag_ | did that | 20:54 |
OvenWerks | ok should put it in the command box | 20:54 |
dagdag_ | done that | 20:55 |
dagdag_ | its in the box and marked | 20:55 |
OvenWerks | it should have the whole command line from /home/<user>/.local/bin/sndset.sh | 20:55 |
dagdag_ | no just sndset.sh | 20:56 |
OvenWerks | so if you ok that you should find it in the main applications list right at the bottom (the list in Applications autostart | 20:56 |
dagdag_ | when i clicked my username also no .local there | 20:56 |
OvenWerks | Ok I may be ahead of you again. are you still in the file chooser? | 20:58 |
OvenWerks | Sorry, I do this too much and go to fast | 20:59 |
dagdag_ | sndset.sh is in the list of aplic auto start | 21:00 |
OvenWerks | That sounds good | 21:00 |
dagdag_ | but it doesnt have the whole line:/home/<user>/.local/bin/sndset.s | 21:00 |
OvenWerks | It should just show the name there | 21:01 |
dagdag_ | shows sndset.sh | 21:01 |
OvenWerks | if you click on sndset.sh and click on the edit button below it will reopen the dialog | 21:02 |
dagdag_ | yes | 21:02 |
OvenWerks | in the little dialog on the command line you should see the whole path | 21:02 |
dagdag_ | writes tmp mozilla...my name...sndset.sh | 21:03 |
dagdag_ | tha doesnt sound good | 21:03 |
OvenWerks | no that is the wrong file. | 21:04 |
dagdag_ | thought so | 21:04 |
OvenWerks | open the file chooser again | 21:04 |
dagdag_ | yes | 21:04 |
OvenWerks | on the left onder recently used is your user. click that | 21:05 |
dagdag_ | clicked username | 21:06 |
OvenWerks | There should be some .something file names there | 21:06 |
OvenWerks | in the middle column | 21:06 |
OvenWerks | scroll down and see if you can find .local | 21:06 |
dagdag_ | nothing | 21:07 |
OvenWerks | (On my system there are a lot of .name files... 4 pages or so) | 21:07 |
OvenWerks | ok, lets try something different | 21:09 |
dagdag_ | looking but nothing | 21:09 |
dagdag_ | ok | 21:09 |
OvenWerks | At the top left corner there is a icon with a pencil (your may be different) but it is top left of the file chooser. if you click that you should get text box to type in | 21:10 |
dagdag_ | yes | 21:11 |
OvenWerks | type ~/.local/bin/ | 21:11 |
OvenWerks | can you see sndset.sh? | 21:12 |
dagdag_ | ok i entered | 21:12 |
dagdag_ | and have now | 21:12 |
dagdag_ | a .local someth | 21:12 |
dagdag_ | like you wrote somewhere above | 21:13 |
dagdag_ | the line in the edit aplication is .local/bin/sndset.sh | 21:15 |
OvenWerks | ? should be ~/.local/bin/sndset.sh | 21:15 |
dagdag_ | yes..with username | 21:16 |
OvenWerks | ok | 21:16 |
OvenWerks | so the little "add application" is all filled out then with a name and a commnd, hitting ok should save the file | 21:18 |
dagdag_ | yes | 21:18 |
OvenWerks | reboot should test it. | 21:19 |
dagdag_ | ok...do i get back to the chat after | 21:19 |
OvenWerks | up to you... though it would be nice to know it worked :) | 21:20 |
dagdag_ | yea of course!!! | 21:20 |
dagdag_ | be back | 21:20 |
dagdag | back | 21:25 |
OvenWerks | hi] | 21:25 |
dagdag | not working | 21:25 |
dagdag | speakers where off | 21:25 |
OvenWerks | but headset on? | 21:25 |
dagdag | sorry the other way around | 21:25 |
dagdag | speakers were on headphone no | 21:26 |
OvenWerks | in a terminal type: ~/.local/bin/sndset.sh | 21:26 |
OvenWerks | (make sure that still works... remober 10 sec) | 21:26 |
dagdag | ok | 21:27 |
dagdag | ready | 21:27 |
dagdag | settings changed in alsamix | 21:27 |
OvenWerks | so open the settings manager again | 21:28 |
OvenWerks | session and startup->Application Autostart | 21:29 |
dagdag | got it | 21:29 |
dagdag | sndset | 21:29 |
OvenWerks | the box beside is checked? | 21:30 |
dagdag | yes | 21:30 |
OvenWerks | ok, lets try an edit to that so click on sndset and then edit at the bottom | 21:31 |
dagdag | ok done | 21:31 |
OvenWerks | if you click in the command: box | 21:31 |
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OvenWerks | then use the right arrow key to get right to the end of the line. | 21:31 |
dagdag | writes sndset save..and...save1 | 21:32 |
OvenWerks | the cursor should be right after the last h | 21:32 |
dagdag | ok | 21:32 |
OvenWerks | add a space and & | 21:33 |
dagdag | ok | 21:33 |
OvenWerks | so the whole line would be /home/user/.local/bin/sndset.sh & | 21:33 |
OvenWerks | then ok that and try agian. | 21:34 |
dagdag | no not there | 21:34 |
OvenWerks | ok where? | 21:35 |
dagdag | ok | 21:36 |
dagdag | got it | 21:36 |
OvenWerks | if you have saved that then I guess try reboot again. | 21:37 |
dagdag | the only thing i did is change the name in edit aplication | 21:38 |
OvenWerks | oh... | 21:38 |
OvenWerks | ok, | 21:38 |
dagdag | yes yes | 21:38 |
dagdag | i types & in command box at the end | 21:39 |
OvenWerks | ok | 21:39 |
dagdag | now reboot | 21:39 |
OvenWerks | ok | 21:39 |
dagdag | working:))) | 21:44 |
dagdag | all is working | 21:45 |
dagdag | just wonder how i am going to aply all this to my other laptop | 21:46 |
dagdag | do you have a copy of our chat | 21:46 |
dagdag | ovenwerks you still there | 21:47 |
OvenWerks | ya | 21:48 |
dagdag | i gotto sign out..dead tired..im happy you got me through | 21:48 |
OvenWerks | our chat lets see... | 21:48 |
dagdag | i have to aply all of this to the other one... | 21:49 |
OvenWerks | http://www.ovenwerks.net/ | 21:49 |
OvenWerks | opps | 21:49 |
OvenWerks | https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/05/30/%23ubuntustudio.html | 21:49 |
OvenWerks | dagdag: ^^^ has the irc log | 21:49 |
OvenWerks | wait 10 minutes or so for it to add the last hour | 21:50 |
dagdag | ok | 21:51 |
dagdag | i thank you again!!hard work!!...wish there was an easier way for someth like this | 21:52 |
OvenWerks | glad it works... | 21:52 |
OvenWerks | something to add to -controls. | 21:52 |
dagdag | yea...i stored your home page...ill check it out later...ill wait for the last our part | 21:53 |
OvenWerks | my home page is.... lod these days | 21:55 |
OvenWerks | *old | 21:55 |
dagdag | i thank you again!have a nice day ill let you know how the other one turned out | 21:55 |
OvenWerks | ok | 21:55 |
OvenWerks | bye then | 21:55 |
dagdag | so you gotten much older:)) | 21:55 |
OvenWerks | my boys are almost as tall as I | 21:56 |
dagdag | does the last hour show up somewhere here | 21:56 |
OvenWerks | it will, not yet though, it onlu updates once an hour | 21:57 |
dagdag | ok..but they grow fast by the blink of the eyes | 21:57 |
dagdag | ah ok...can i check it tomorow..i saved it | 21:57 |
dagdag | got it byebye!! | 22:02 |
OvenWerks | bye | 22:02 |
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