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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:40
jibelHi all06:50
oSoMoNsalut jibel06:51
dufluMorning oSoMoN and jibel07:01
dufluDid time zones change recently?07:01
dufluOr am I just confused when Didier doesn't log in super early?07:02
oSoMoNhey duflu07:06
oSoMoNno change in time zones as far as I'm concerned, it's probably Didier's absence that's confusing you indeed07:07
seb128good morning desktopers!07:07
oSoMoNsalut seb12807:08
seb128lut oSoMoN, en forme ?07:08
oSoMoNseb128, ça va, et toi?07:08
dufluMorning seb12807:08
seb128ça va nickel :)07:08
seb128hey duflu, how are you today?07:08
dufluHa. I should have noticed pulseaudio HEAD^ was tagged v12.99.207:08
dufluseb128, going OK. How are you?07:09
seb128I'm fine thanks07:09
seb128duflu, or use our version page :)07:09
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seb128would be nice if it would be possible to filter a specific set of packages you are interested in though07:09
dufluI do. Like with bugs and merge requests, just don't subscribe. Poll instead :P07:10
dufluThough I subscribe to plenty of bugs already. Just not all07:10
dufluseb128, I just remembered we prefer to base our PulseAudio on Debian's pristine-tar. So to avoid branching that a pristine-tar of 12.99 would ideally be put in salsa first07:15
duflu.99 is often included there07:15
seb128duflu, right07:15
seb128marcustomlinson, hey, I'm reviewing the libreoffice update in NEW07:22
seb128-help-common has07:22
seb128Replaces: libreoffice-common (<< 1:6.1.0~alpha1-1)07:22
seb128shouldn't that be updated to the previous version in Ubuntu? e.g 1:6.2.5-0ubuntu107:23
seb128RAOF, hey, there is a new colord 1.4.4 version available, do you think you could do the update when you get some spare cycles?07:37
RAOFseb128: Sure! Maybe I'll do that now instead of shouting at this RPi some more!07:39
seb128RAOF, sounds good :)07:40
marcustomlinsonmorning all07:57
dufluHi marcustomlinson08:01
Laneymoin08:01
dufluMorning Laney08:02
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson, Laney08:33
seb128hey oSoMoN marcustomlinson Laney, how are you today?08:35
seb128jamesh, weekly status update? ;)08:36
jameshseb128: on it.08:36
marcustomlinsonseb128: good :) which reminds me, libreoffice 6.3.0 was uploaded to eoan last night. Looks like the arm64 build is still busy though...08:36
* seb128 needs to hack into jasmesh's phone to set up a weekly calendar reminder :)08:36
marcustomlinsonhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1740840608:37
seb128marcustomlinson, right, my comment on NEW from earlier is from that update, that's where -help-common was added in Ubuntu right?08:37
marcustomlinsonseb128: sorry I lost the scrollback08:37
marcustomlinsonseb128: yes that was added08:37
seb128marcustomlinson, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/08/13/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t07:1508:38
seb128marcustomlinson, I think you need to update the C/R versions08:38
seb128otherwise those are not going to work for Ubuntu user upgrading from 6.2 to current08:38
seb128since it's << 6.108:38
marcustomlinsonseb128: ah08:39
marcustomlinsonok will fix that08:39
seb128thx08:39
seb128don't upload only for that, as said I need to do the poppler transition and we will need an upload for it08:39
seb128but first let me try in a ppa :)08:40
GunnarHjGood morning seb128!08:40
GunnarHjI would like to put language-selector in a repository. Thinking that it would fit here:08:40
GunnarHjhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+git08:40
GunnarHjbut thought I'd ask first.08:40
seb128hey GunnarHj, how are you?08:41
GunnarHjseb128: I'm fine, thanks. Hope you are too.08:41
seb128GunnarHj, sounds good to me to have it in the desktop section yes08:41
seb128I'm good yes, thanks08:41
GunnarHjseb128: Then I'll make an attempt to put it there - without history, that is.08:42
Laneyhi duflu oSoMoN seb128 GunnarHj08:42
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:42
Laneydoing alright08:43
seb128Laney, I can help this afternoon with the e-d-s transition if that's still needed08:43
seb128trying to clear off some other updates this morning still before though08:43
Laneyyou/08:43
Laneyyes pls08:43
seb128k, will do08:43
Laneyor gnome-desktop rebuilds needed in that silo too08:43
seb128k, I will try to help with that as well08:44
oSoMoNmarcustomlinson, seb128: sorry I overlooked that when I reviewed the debdiff yesterday, thanks for catching it seb12808:44
seb128oSoMoN, np!08:44
LaneyGunnarHj: is there no proper bzr branch for that?08:44
GunnarHjLaney: Nope. Martin killed it some years ago. Not sure why.08:44
Laneywe had the LP bzr branches then08:45
seb128https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/view/head:/README08:45
seb128ubuntu: are the auto imported ones right?08:45
Laneythey were, don't exist any more08:45
LaneyGunnarHj: maybe one of the git-ubuntu branches would be an OK one to start from08:46
Laneyat least you'd get the history as one commit per upload08:46
GunnarHjLaney: Yeah, I can try start out from one of those.08:47
marcustomlinsonseb128: oh so you don't need me to upload a new 1:6.3.0-0ubuntu2 for LO?08:47
seb128marcustomlinson, not now, let's wait for the poppler soname change, we need a rebuild anyway08:47
marcustomlinsonok08:48
seb128we can keep 6.3 in eoan-proposed meanwhile08:48
LaneyGunnarHj: and the '+source' namespace is probably the right one to be using08:48
Laneylp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/languge-selector08:49
GunnarHjLaney: Ok. Let's see if I can fix it.08:52
Laneyneato08:52
jameshLaney: with the e-d-s API break you mentioned, does that affect the D-Bus IPC interface as well as the library ABI?09:08
jameshi.e. is this just a case of getting rid of the old client libraries, or will old apps refuse to talk to new EDS and vice versa?09:09
Laneyjamesh: The Calendar D-Bus API has changed too: some methods and signals have been renamed09:15
LaneyI don't know of anything in the archive that talks to that directly - things go via bindings09:16
jameshLaney: so, we've currently got calendar-service and contacts-service snapd interfaces09:16
Laneye-d-s does this kind of thing most cycles FWIW09:17
ricotzmarcustomlinson, hi, the B/R are wrong and please use (<< 6.3)09:17
marcustomlinsonricotz: yes you're right good catch09:18
jameshLaney: we definitely have a gnome-calendar snap, but I don't think we've ever seeded it09:20
LaneyI'm not sure what they do for Flatpak09:21
Laneybut e-d-s isn't a stable interface ... probably applications bundle it09:21
jameshI'm not sure how widely it is installed09:21
jameshIt has been relatively stable for a while: xenial to bionic has been fine09:22
jameshwe've also got a gnome-contacts snap09:22
ricotzmarcustomlinson, hmm :(, please literally use (<< 6.3.0)09:23
marcustomlinsonokidokie09:24
ricotzthx09:24
ricotzwith epoch ;)09:24
marcustomlinsonyeah09:25
LaneyThe C ABIs have certainly changed in that timeframe - if the D-Bus API hasn't been affected, then we got lucky09:26
Laneythat's why the bus names are suffixed with a number09:26
LaneyAddressBook is at 9 currently ...09:26
jameshI suspect the interfaces would allow a snap built with new client libraries to talk to new EDS without change, since it looks like the versioning is only in bus names rather than interface names09:31
jameshbut we will need to decide what to do with the gnome-calendar/gnome-contacts snaps09:31
jameshYou can still see some of the CORBA roots in the EDS API design09:32
GunnarHjLaney: Good enough?09:36
GunnarHjhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+git/language-selector09:36
LaneyGunnarHj: Looks good from a quick glance09:48
Trevinhomorning!09:48
GunnarHjLaney: Good. I make a change later today and check if it works as expected.09:49
dufluMorning Trevinho10:46
dufluNight Trevinho :)10:46
seb128hey Trevinho11:20
Trevinhohi seb12811:21
seb128Laney, Trevinho, would be nice if you could clear the 3 remaining july cards in trello :)11:33
Laneyok11:35
seb128thx11:35
seb128Laney, you probably know, when opening a bug on the BTS by sending to submit@ can you include some commands like the blocks one?13:22
seb128or can you CC control@? or do you need a follow up email?13:22
seb128k, it's meeting time right?13:30
seb128startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-1313:31
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-1313:31
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seb128Roll call: didrocks (out), duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out), laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)13:31
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oSoMoNo/13:31
Laneyhi13:32
seb128k, let's get started, quite some people on holidays atm13:33
seb128#topic rls-bb-bugs13:33
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:33
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/174089413:33
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1740894 in systemd (Ubuntu Bionic) "KEY_RFKILL is not passed to userspace" [Low,In progress]13:33
seb128That was a failed SRU because it requires systemd change and would make some configs stop working while fixing others13:34
seb128I will follow up with OEM13:34
seb128that's the only one on this list13:34
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:35
seb128there is a new split bug for the era thing/gucharmap and seems mathieu/gunnar on looking at it13:35
seb128I will just assign to mathieu13:35
seb128and that's it for bionic13:36
seb128#topic rls-dd-bugs13:36
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seb128(sorry had some machine hang issue, thx libreoffice build pushing the ssd...)13:38
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:38
seb128no desktop here13:38
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:38
seb128same gucharmap era13:38
seb128#topic rls-ee-bugs13:38
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:39
seb128no desktop13:39
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:39
seb128the bugs there are assigned13:39
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:39
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seb128Laney, your turn, sorry I/we failed to review the ones currently in the board last week13:40
seb128post-holidays & pre-ff busy time :/13:40
Laneyno worries13:41
Laneyhttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:41
LaneyI didn't look at the greyed out stuff yet13:42
Laneybut in the non greyed stuff most is pre existing from the previous weeks13:42
Laneyor part of transitions which I think are being handled by others13:42
Laneyaptdaemon/1.1.1+bzr982-0ubuntu28: arm64 (log, history), i386 (log, history), ppc64el (log, history)13:42
Laneythat's the only weird one I think, not sure what is happening there sO i'll make a new card for that one13:43
Laneyit seems something happened with systemd in proposed while I was away that broke a lot of stuff?13:43
seb128yeah, they uploaded 243~rc113:44
seb128which at least hits https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1327213:45
seb128which b_alint raised here/consider as a gdm packaging bug13:45
seb128but I didn't look at the details of other issues in the update, I guess foundations is on it...13:45
Laneysaw a card for that13:45
Laneybut this was not just test failures in systemd itself13:45
Laneytons of other tests were failing13:45
seb128we should check with foundations if they are aware of those problems/on it13:46
LaneyBalint said something in #ubuntu-devel about uploading a new systemd later13:46
Laneyso I guess it's being worked on13:46
Laneybottom line for me was that proposed was a bit weird13:46
seb128good, let's wait for then and I will check with him if that's still not good enough13:46
Laneyhopefully will be recovering13:46
seb128ack13:47
Laneythat's why we have it I guess13:47
seb128thx Laney13:47
seb128#topic AOB13:47
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seb128obvious one from me, but feature freeze is coming next week and we are on a tight schedule at this point13:47
seb128at least for the new GNOME uploads13:47
seb128also for nvidia UI changes (Olivier is starting on that)13:48
seb128and for some dock changes Marco is working on13:48
seb128if you have other features you still need to land/feel like we are getting late now is a good time to raise it/discuss our options13:48
seb128 13:48
seb128that was from me I guess13:48
seb128Laney, anything that you feel like need more hands/discussion on the GNOME update front?13:49
seb128I think Marco/you/me are mostly on it and know what needs to be done, is that good enough?13:49
TrevinhoI'm fine with how we're handling it13:50
Laneyit's OK enough but there are still a fair few more packages to handle13:51
seb128right, we have a few people on holidays and I think everyone is busy, if anyone wants to take some time to help with that please just mention it on the channel any time and we can organize13:52
seb128oh also13:52
seb128jibel, you are back? can you look at the outdated daily ISO?13:52
seb128it seems to fail on13:53
oSoMoNhappy to help with GNOME updates, just let me know which ones13:53
seb1282019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Setting up python (2.7.15~rc1-1) ...13:53
seb1282019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Setting up utah-common (0.19~git20190712.c2af2d5~ubuntu16.04.1) ...13:53
seb1282019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Standard error follows:13:53
seb1282019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of utah-common:13:53
seb1282019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: utah-common depends on python (>= 2.7); however:13:53
jibelseb128, yes, I'm back. I promoted latest image to current. But still haven't found the reason of the breakage13:53
seb1282019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Package python is not installed.13:53
seb128jibel, ^ that's from the utah log joshua got13:53
seb128and it doesn't make any sense to me13:53
seb128it installs python and then says it's not available13:53
seb128I guess someone needs to log into the env and do those steps by hand and look what's going on13:53
seb128jibel, thx13:53
jibelyeah, that's a different failure from before my holidays which was a squashfs error13:54
seb128oSoMoN, great, thx, I will ping after the meeting then13:54
oSoMoNok13:54
seb128k13:54
seb128any other topics?13:54
seb128seems not? let's wrap then13:56
seb128thanks team13:56
seb128#endmeeting13:56
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Laneyseb128: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting#control regarding your previous question13:56
marcustomlinsonthx13:56
Laneyyou can do either of what you suggest13:56
seb128Laney, I had that on screen but it was not clear to me if I could include them in the original email sent to submit@13:56
Laneyyeah you can, if you prefix with Control:13:57
seb128ok, thanks for confirming13:57
Laneythink you have to leave no blank line after the Package: lines and stuff13:57
seb128Laney, I uploaded syncevolution and abiword for the eds transition13:57
Laneynice one13:57
Laneybet the stupid ubuntu only stuff needs work13:58
* Laney avoided those ones13:58
Laneyon the ISO stuff14:00
Laneyhow do you get to those errors if you start from https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Eoan/job/ubuntu-eoan-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/ ?14:00
seb128Laney, I'm looking at the indicator-datetime and evolution-indicator14:00
seb128Laney, good question for jibel, I don't know, the log I had were the ones from joshua and paride14:01
seb128Laney, the BTS email seems to have worked :)14:03
Laneynice!14:03
Laneyok he linked to https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-bionic-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/427/artifact/log/utah-server-debug.log14:03
Laneybionic?!?!14:03
jibelLaney, https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-eoan-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/99/artifact/log/utah-85730.syslog.log but there is no unmet dep in the log14:05
jibeland the late command is successful14:05
Laneyjibel: thanks, I found those ones too14:06
Laneythink the python thing might have been a false lead maybe14:07
jibelmaybe the demotion of python2 to universe broke something14:08
seb128that was suggested in some discussions while you were on holidays, it's on the same day it was demoted that it started failing14:09
seb128but those tests are on bionic infra so it doesn't make much sense14:09
seb128also universe is enabled by default on desktop install so python should be available in the installed system even once demoted14:10
seb128weird :/14:10
Laneyit's a bionic *iso*14:10
LaneyI don't think that log we got is evidence for that claim14:10
seb128yeah, we clearly need more debug info/be able to manually get into the env and see what is wrong there14:12
jibelI'm looking at eoan, why are you talking about bionic?14:17
jibelthere hasn't been any built of bionic since the release of .314:18
jibeland the infra is on 16.0414:19
LaneyJosh sent an email with a log about python stuff in it, and it was thought this was the failure14:19
Laneybut I just looked at it and he was talking about bionic for some reason, probably got confused14:20
jibelok14:20
jibelbuild*14:20
jibelLaney, it's an error on shutdown. There is a squashfs error that prevents the VM from rebooting.14:22
jibelLaney, FTR I triggered a test from jenkins and watched the VM in virtmanager14:22
Laneyohh14:22
Laneyyou can just add venonat in virt-manager?14:22
jibelyes14:22
Laneyhah14:22
Laneylet me try this14:23
jibelwith the vpn on14:23
Laneyhmm, not as my user at least, permission denied14:24
jibelLaney, once you're connected open the console of utah-85765-...14:24
jibelah let me check what's wrong with your permissions14:24
Laneyyeah can't use virsh either14:25
jibelLaney, try again14:26
jibelhold on14:26
jibelLaney, try now14:26
Laneythat works14:28
Laneyhow come you don't need to be in those groups?14:28
LaneyO_O yeah OK I see those errors now14:29
jibela whole new world opens in front of you ;)14:29
Laneydon't like it, want to go home14:30
Laneynice login screen after restarting the machine ...14:42
Laneynot really much further15:07
* Laney shrugs15:37
Laneywas trying to run an old kernel but I can't boot the stupid thing any more15:37
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Laneyok, well, I got the squashfs error locally now16:23
jibelhow did you do that?16:28
Laneycopying the preseed file that utah uses16:29
Laneyprobably somehow triggered by how that does the reboot16:29
Laneythere were some squashfs changes/problems/something with recent kernels weren't there?16:32
Laneyjibel: I just got it with a normal install too, ubiquity-dm16:41
Laneyok, you can get it by just rebooting an ISO16:48
Laneypotentially have to wait for snapd to finish seeding16:48
jibelLaney, how do you reboot? just clicking "reboot" at the end of installation?16:58
Laneyjibel: yeah16:58
Laneythen it doesn't actually reboot, and if you hide plymouth, there those messages are16:58
jibelLaney, only from u-dm or also from a live session?17:00
Laneydone both now17:00
Laneylive only after waiting for snapd to finish, otherwise I guess that blocks the shutdown long enough to make the unmounting happen nicely or something17:01
Laneyjibel: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qT27YHWTY6/ <- you can get console output if you give "console=tty0 console=ttyS0" and then connect with "virsh console <name of domain>"17:12
Laneyit's really just boot live session, wait 2 minutes, reboot from the GNOME menu17:12
Laneyfeels like we should be asking the kernel team for help17:12
jibelLaney, thanks for your help, I'll file a bug and ask the kernel team17:13
Laneycheers17:14
Laneyguess I should go prune a tree now, see you tomorrow17:14
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jibelhave a nice evening, see you all tomorrow17:14
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