| jibel | morning everyone | 05:29 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:12 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 07:19 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 07:19 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN | 07:45 |
| jibel | fidencio, Hey, could you send me your preseed again? The paste expired | 07:55 |
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| seb128 | gooood morning desktopers! | 08:09 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 | 08:33 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, comment va aujourd'hui ? | 08:36 |
| marcustomlinson | morning desktoppers | 08:43 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson, how are you? | 08:45 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: I'm good thanks, you? | 08:45 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks! | 08:46 |
| seb128 | I got proposed migration items a bit sorted out, we need you/libreoffice at this point to clear off items that are otherwise ready | 08:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: la gorge qui gratte, mais ça va | 08:50 |
| seb128 | k, cool que ça aille un peu mieux | 08:50 |
| seb128 | brb, relocating | 08:51 |
| oSoMoN | good morning marcustomlinson | 08:56 |
| Laney | hey hey | 09:02 |
| didrocks | hey Laney, marcustomlinson | 09:04 |
| Laney | hey didrocks | 09:06 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 09:07 |
| Laney | moin seb128 | 09:07 |
| oSoMoN | hey Laney, salut seb128 | 09:14 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN | 09:15 |
| seb128 | Laney, oSoMoN, how are you today? | 09:15 |
| oSoMoN | I'm doing quite alright, despite a rough night (baby waking up every 30mins) | 09:15 |
| Laney | 😵 | 09:23 |
| * Laney is good | 09:23 | |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, :-( | 09:31 |
| didrocks | waow :( | 09:32 |
| seb128 | Laney, I did try to get on top of proposed-migrations issues and created card/tried to get things moved, I hope I didn't step on your toes too much while doing that | 09:33 |
| Laney | thx | 09:33 |
| Laney | no I didn't work on that too much | 09:33 |
| seb128 | cool | 09:35 |
| Laney | google are killing cloud print :-o | 10:23 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, did you read this somewhere? | 10:25 |
| Laney | yes | 10:25 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, where? | 10:26 |
| Laney | but it's on that -> machine | 10:26 |
| Laney | so I suggest searching for it :P | 10:26 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, so I do not need to pu effort on supporting it any more, nore promote it. | 10:26 |
| Laney | https://www.techradar.com/news/google-is-shutting-down-its-cloud-printing-service | 10:27 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, seems that no one sends a print job to a printer which is far away from him. | 10:27 |
| tkamppeter | Printing from a phone seems to be done nowadays by being close to a modern printer with driverless IPP support. | 10:28 |
| jibel | sending a print job to a printer far away used to be called a fax, isn't it? ;) | 10:32 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, "it was particularly useful for Chrome OS users whose existing printers may not have been compatible with their Chromebooks or Chromeboxes.". This use case is now covered by driverless IPP printing. | 10:33 |
| Laney | for their existing printers? | 10:33 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, and the Google Chrome guys were on the last 2 or 3 OpenPrinting/PWG Summits and picked up all of our nice driverless stuff. | 10:33 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, at least for modern printers, and modern can mean something like up to 5 years old. I do not exactly know for how long there is AirPrint (the first driverless IPP standard) now. | 10:34 |
| Laney | Right | 10:35 |
| Laney | I'm saying "you don't need this thing, because you can get yourself some new hardware which works better" isn't that great | 10:35 |
| tkamppeter | Only if you try with these stone-old, never-breaing HP printers with toner from eBay you are probably out of luck (if there is no generic PCL 5e support). | 10:37 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, and perhaps (I do not have confirmation) Chrome OS already supports or will support Snap and so they have access to future printer drivers (Printer Applications). | 10:39 |
| fidencio | jibel: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3b-XEPKLeVT~utEHATuQOg | 11:24 |
| jibel | fidencio, thanks. looking now | 11:26 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, Wimpress, kenvandine, I am not able to make it to the meeting today, but my weekly summary is up. | 12:51 |
| fidencio | jibel: let me know if you are able to, at least, reproduce the very same issue :-) | 12:51 |
| jibel | fidencio, yes, I will. | 13:07 |
| jibel | fidencio, where does it stop for you? | 13:50 |
| fidencio | jibel: https://fidencio.fedorapeople.org/ubuntu_1910_issue.png | 13:57 |
| fidencio | jibel: btw, happens when using the following media: http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso | 14:05 |
| jibel | fidencio, I'm testing on focal, but there shouldn't be much difference | 14:09 |
| fidencio | jibel: interesting thing (at least for me) is that I haven't seen this issue before, and the issues doesn't happen with other medias or when doing a net-based installation | 14:13 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, do you think you will have a chance to look at the libreoffice libiximion thing today? or maybe I can help and give it a try if you prefer?. | 14:16 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: I am busy with it. You think you could help nudge libixion and liborcus through from proposed to main? | 14:17 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: I assume those will need to be in main before I can have libreoffice depend on the, | 14:17 |
| marcustomlinson | them | 14:17 |
| seb128 | they are available/ready | 14:19 |
| seb128 | just stuck in proposed waiting on libreoffice | 14:19 |
| seb128 | they can't move before/without it | 14:19 |
| marcustomlinson | oh ok, I'll have libreoffice pushed in a few | 14:19 |
| marcustomlinson | I've just had amd64 finish building in my ppa and manual testing looks good | 14:21 |
| seb128 | thx | 14:22 |
| Wimpress | tkamppeter: Thanks. | 14:26 |
| Wimpress | Afternoon desktoppers. I'll debut driving the meeting this afternoon :-) | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | Wimpress: woot | 14:27 |
| marcustomlinson | :) | 14:27 |
| Wimpress | Let's not get carried away just yet ;-) | 14:27 |
| didrocks | heh | 14:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, Trevinho, tkamppeter, it was posted a bit late yesterday, but please update your bugs status on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/release-bugs-for-week-commencing-monday-25th-november-2019/13474 | 14:29 |
| Trevinho | o/ | 14:29 |
| Wimpress | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | 14:30 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Nov 26 14:30:03 2019 UTC. The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 14:30 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 14:30 |
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| Wimpress | Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell | 14:30 |
| seb128 | _o/ | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | \o | 14:30 |
| oSoMoN | hey there | 14:30 |
| marcustomlinson | o/ | 14:30 |
| didrocks | hey | 14:30 |
| Wimpress | Hello team o/ | 14:30 |
| jibel | \o | 14:31 |
| Wimpress | Right, let's push on | 14:31 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-bb-bugs | 14:31 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:31 |
| Wimpress | Does look like any thing in there for us, right? | 14:32 |
| marcustomlinson | nope | 14:32 |
| Wimpress | *Does not | 14:32 |
| oSoMoN | nope | 14:32 |
| seb128 | looks like not | 14:32 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:32 |
| hellsworth | here | 14:33 |
| Wimpress | Hi hellsworth :-) | 14:33 |
| Wimpress | Not seeing anything obvious unassisgned in the above. | 14:34 |
| hellsworth | 1852315 ? | 14:34 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, I usually sort by assigneed for that section and look at anything which is "unassigned" and !fix-commited|!incomplete | 14:34 |
| Wimpress | Although, embarrsingly, MATE Desktop stuff. | 14:34 |
| hellsworth | it's unasigned and not fix committed | 14:34 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, don't look to unknown section but to desktop one | 14:35 |
| * seb128 encourage Wimpress, you can do it :) | 14:36 | |
| Wimpress | tseliot_: What is the status of https://pad.lv/1852315 | 14:36 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1852315 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-435 (Ubuntu Eoan) "CVE‑2019‑5696 5697 5698" [Undecided,New] | 14:36 |
| Wimpress | seb128: I'm looking at the desktop stuff now :-) | 14:36 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, that one does look like it make sense, should just be assigned to tseliot_ | 14:37 |
| seb128 | so we can probably move to -dd bugs | 14:37 |
| Wimpress | OK. Everything else for Binonic looks good. | 14:39 |
| seb128 | +1 :) | 14:39 |
| hellsworth | woot | 14:39 |
| Laney | yeh, looking at -tracking is really only to find ones that people directly nominated without going through the process | 14:39 |
| Wimpress | Skip dd completely seb128 or just look at bug tracking tasks? | 14:39 |
| Laney | all the rest will have been assigned already | 14:40 |
| hellsworth | why add it to dd and not ee or ff? | 14:40 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, I looked at dd reports, nothing on incoming nor tracking so you can skip it | 14:40 |
| Wimpress | OK | 14:41 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-ee-bugs | 14:41 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:41 |
| seb128 | and yeah, usually bugs are also on new serie (but sometime not and users nominate only for the one they care about/use) | 14:41 |
| Wimpress | Looks to be in hand ^ | 14:41 |
| seb128 | +1 | 14:41 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:41 |
| Laney | wait | 14:42 |
| * Wimpress waits... | 14:42 | |
| Laney | we still need to either nominate it and assign to Till, or tag that as notfixing to not track it | 14:42 |
| Laney | otherwise we'll see it in incoming next week | 14:42 |
| seb128 | it's assigned | 14:43 |
| Laney | not nominated | 14:43 |
| seb128 | I don't think it looks a rls issue at this point | 14:43 |
| seb128 | right | 14:43 |
| Laney | then notfixing | 14:43 |
| seb128 | I was typing :p | 14:43 |
| seb128 | yeah, -1 from me | 14:43 |
| Laney | I'm just saying you need to do one or the other to get it off the list | 14:43 |
| seb128 | right, I agree | 14:44 |
| Laney | no opinion on which | 14:44 |
| seb128 | I hit enter too soon | 14:44 |
| seb128 | read my 2 lines as one :p | 14:44 |
| seb128 | sorry if that was confusing | 14:44 |
| seb128 | so my vote is -notficing | 14:44 |
| seb128 | fixing | 14:44 |
| seb128 | others? | 14:44 |
| seb128 | (only 129 reports total on 19.10 from the error tracker, which is low) | 14:45 |
| marcustomlinson | ±0 | 14:45 |
| Laney | sounds ok to me, not sure Till acknowledged the assignment though so it might get missed | 14:45 |
| hellsworth | idk if this package is broken, we should fix it for ff since it would be a lts - or remove the package | 14:45 |
| hellsworth | so i would vote for fixing it | 14:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, can you make sure tkamppeter saw it being filed/assigned to him? | 14:46 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 14:46 |
| seb128 | thx | 14:46 |
| Wimpress | OK to move on to ff? | 14:46 |
| didrocks | yeah ;) | 14:47 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, I think you have team input, so your call to either nominate for $series or to change to tag to rls-ee-notfixing | 14:47 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-ff-bugs | 14:47 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:47 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, ^ you need to do one of those actions on the previous bug | 14:47 |
| seb128 | -notfixing doesn't mean we are not going to fix it, just that we don't accept it to be tracked as a release issue and will use the standard process | 14:48 |
| Wimpress | seb128: OK, what is the mechanism for doing that? | 14:48 |
| seb128 | if you accept it you click "target to series" under the bugs table | 14:48 |
| seb128 | and select the series you want to track it for | 14:48 |
| seb128 | if you think it doesn't need special rls tracking, as said change the tag to rls-ee-notfixing | 14:49 |
| seb128 | rls-ee-incoming -> rls-ee-notfixing | 14:49 |
| Wimpress | Which bug nuber are you referring to? | 14:50 |
| hellsworth | the till one | 14:50 |
| hellsworth | 1851918 | 14:51 |
| Wimpress | OK, that should be updated accordingly. | 14:52 |
| kenvandine | hellsworth: i've pinged tkamppeter about that one | 14:52 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, thx, we can move to ff then :) | 14:52 |
| Wimpress | OK. | 14:53 |
| Wimpress | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1853112 | 14:53 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1853112 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Applications are closed when killing the Shell (like on a hang)" [Undecided,New] | 14:53 |
| seb128 | I think it's worth nominating | 14:53 |
| seb128 | and from this week summary, Laney started looking at it | 14:53 |
| Laney | sounds good, that can be assigned to me | 14:53 |
| Wimpress | OK | 14:53 |
| Laney | but I would be shocked if that bug wasn't a duplicate | 14:53 |
| didrocks | \o/ | 14:53 |
| didrocks | Laney: I didn't find any other | 14:54 |
| Laney | ok | 14:54 |
| Wimpress | Laney wins a bug. | 14:54 |
| seb128 | :-) | 14:54 |
| Wimpress | NOthing else there that isn't in hand already. | 14:54 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:54 |
| seb128 | the MIR one there needs to be nominated or tagged -notfixing | 14:54 |
| seb128 | either would work, it's the MIR team queue | 14:55 |
| Wimpress | So, is libmail-authenticationresults-perl not in main right now? | 14:56 |
| hellsworth | correct | 14:56 |
| Wimpress | But on the 19.10 image? | 14:56 |
| seb128 | no | 14:56 |
| seb128 | it blocks a libmail-dkim-perl update in focal-proposed | 14:56 |
| Laney | that bug is assigned already | 14:56 |
| Laney | nomin8 it | 14:56 |
| Laney | imho | 14:57 |
| seb128 | that works yes | 14:57 |
| Wimpress | I agree. What is the mechanism to nominate something? | 14:57 |
| hellsworth | i'm happy to keep on with this mir | 14:57 |
| Laney | target to series, focal, assign to hellsworth | 14:57 |
| Wimpress | It is nominated for ff. | 14:57 |
| Laney | delete the incoming tag | 14:57 |
| didrocks | Wimpress: it can't be on official image if not in main (technically speaking, it will be an iso build failure with "unknown package") | 14:58 |
| Wimpress | OK, should be correctly nominated for ff now. | 14:58 |
| * marcustomlinson reads: It is nominated ffs. | 14:58 | |
| Laney | cool | 14:59 |
| Wimpress | Move on to the next topic? | 14:59 |
| Laney | ff-tracking looks good, so yeah | 14:59 |
| seb128 | +1 | 14:59 |
| Wimpress | #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:59 |
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| Wimpress | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 15:00 |
| Laney | yeah | 15:00 |
| Laney | dunno what happened last week | 15:01 |
| Laney | did these get assigned? | 15:01 |
| marcustomlinson | there's a few of those that should be cleared out with the libreoffice upload I just did | 15:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, I think everything in the list is being handled | 15:01 |
| seb128 | half of it should unblock with libreoffice | 15:01 |
| Laney | ok | 15:01 |
| didrocks | (xorg-server waiting list is scary, probably autopkgtests running ;)) | 15:02 |
| seb128 | the other one are a MIR waiting review, librsvg which is being worked on and a few issue from Debian being discussed there | 15:02 |
| Wimpress | oSoMoN: Are you still fighting with librsvg? | 15:02 |
| oSoMoN | it's bug #1853657, I'll update to 2.46 | 15:02 |
| ubot5 | bug 1853657 in librsvg (Ubuntu) "librsvg 2.44.15 FTBFS in focal" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1853657 | 15:02 |
| seb128 | Laney, in fact I lied about one, libxml is blocked by postgresql-12 ... do you know if anyone is looking at that? | 15:02 |
| Laney | nope | 15:03 |
| seb128 | it's not for out team though and I would expect it's being handled, unsure who to ping though | 15:03 |
| Laney | maybe need to check with server team | 15:03 |
| * seb128 wants p_iti :) | 15:03 | |
| Laney | probably in ubuntu-devel | 15:03 |
| seb128 | +t | 15:03 |
| seb128 | right | 15:03 |
| Laney | what is glm? | 15:03 |
| Laney | why do we own all this weird stuff ._. | 15:03 |
| Wimpress | GL maths library. | 15:03 |
| didrocks | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+bug/1176083 | 15:04 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1176083 in glm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] glm" [Undecided,Fix released] | 15:04 |
| didrocks | Robert! :) | 15:04 |
| didrocks | (Mir requirement) | 15:04 |
| seb128 | Mirrrr | 15:04 |
| seb128 | we should reassign that to Saviq | 15:05 |
| didrocks | yeah, I think that should be their team | 15:05 |
| Laney | are they a main owning team these days? | 15:05 |
| Laney | would be good if so | 15:05 |
| seb128 | we should talk about that | 15:05 |
| Laney | looks like it | 15:05 |
| * seb128 takes a note to discuss it in the manager meeting later | 15:05 | |
| Laney | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html#mir-team | 15:05 |
| Wimpress | Seems reasonable. | 15:06 |
| Laney | so we can probably move that one after asking | 15:06 |
| Laney | \o/ | 15:06 |
| didrocks | yep ;) | 15:06 |
| Laney | so I guess that's it | 15:06 |
| seb128 | :-) | 15:06 |
| hellsworth | why does that mir-team not have libmail-authenticationresults-perl? | 15:06 |
| Wimpress | ANything else in there we need to assign or find another owner for? | 15:06 |
| seb128 | Saviq, can you subscribe the mir team to glm? | 15:06 |
| Wimpress | Nicve try hellsworth ;-) | 15:06 |
| Laney | ha | 15:07 |
| hellsworth | im serious | 15:07 |
| didrocks | I suggest all -perl -> other teams ;) | 15:07 |
| hellsworth | isn't the mir team supposed to review the mirs? | 15:07 |
| Wimpress | +1 :-) | 15:07 |
| Laney | it's Mir not MIR | 15:07 |
| hellsworth | must be a newbie question | 15:07 |
| didrocks | ah yeah puzzling | 15:07 |
| Laney | as in ... | 15:07 |
| Wimpress | #namingthingsishard | 15:07 |
| hellsworth | mir as in the os? | 15:07 |
| didrocks | hellsworth: Mir is a display server, like xorg, not MIR (Main Inclusion Request) | 15:07 |
| Laney | https://mir-server.io/ | 15:07 |
| hellsworth | right | 15:07 |
| Laney | that thing | 15:07 |
| oSoMoN | lucky there isn't a mIR team | 15:08 |
| hellsworth | ok that mir is the only mir i was aware of before joining the team :) | 15:08 |
| hellsworth | ok | 15:08 |
| hellsworth | two mirs | 15:08 |
| Wimpress | oSoMoN: Give it time. | 15:08 |
| Laney | still only two | 15:08 |
| didrocks | or a MiR or mIr or… :) | 15:08 |
| Laney | not as many as we've had autopilots | 15:08 |
| Wimpress | Time for AOB? | 15:08 |
| didrocks | Laney: heh ;) | 15:08 |
| didrocks | yeah, looks like time for AOB | 15:08 |
| Wimpress | #topic AOB | 15:08 |
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| Wimpress | Anyone have anything else they want to discuss? | 15:08 |
| seb128 | not from me | 15:09 |
| didrocks | anope | 15:09 |
| Trevinho | neither | 15:09 |
| oSoMoN | nothing here | 15:09 |
| Saviq | seb128: what am I doing again? | 15:09 |
| Wimpress | You just agree to own the glm package in main Saviq :-) | 15:09 |
| seb128 | Saviq, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+subscribe | 15:10 |
| seb128 | Saviq, and subscribe the mir team, so the package mapping is showing the correct owner | 15:10 |
| seb128 | since it seems the only reason it is in main is mir | 15:10 |
| Saviq | ETOOMANYTEAMS | 15:10 |
| seb128 | indeed | 15:10 |
| seb128 | the subscribe dialog could use filtering or keyboard completion | 15:11 |
| Saviq | seb128: but subscribed | 15:11 |
| seb128 | Saviq, thx! | 15:11 |
| Saviq | ofc | 15:11 |
| Wimpress | Saviq: Thanks. | 15:11 |
| Laney | now, it's stuck in -proposed, go fix it :p | 15:11 |
| seb128 | lol | 15:11 |
| didrocks | "btw…" ;) | 15:11 |
| Saviq | sneaky b… | 15:11 |
| seb128 | Saviq, it's being handled in Debian don't worry | 15:11 |
| Wimpress | Well played team. | 15:11 |
| Laney | haha | 15:12 |
| Saviq | Wimpress: that's how you run them, eh? | 15:12 |
| Wimpress | :-) | 15:12 |
| Wimpress | I have an AOB topic, if noone else has anything. | 15:12 |
| Laney | dunno about don't worry, still good to keep an eye, no guarantees there | 15:13 |
| Laney | go | 15:13 |
| seb128 | Saviq, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=940906 for reference, the autopkgtest got broken by the removal of the cmake file which looks like upstream is bringing back, so probably just wait for upstream/debian and it will automagically resolve | 15:13 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 940906 in src:glm "glm: autopkgtest regression: CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:6 (find_package):" [Important,Open] | 15:13 |
| seb128 | but yeah, still keep an eye in case it needs some nagging | 15:13 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, go! | 15:13 |
| Wimpress | Wanted to discuss the idea have this meeting at alternating times every other week. | 15:14 |
| seb128 | what times? | 15:14 |
| Wimpress | Basically, so we can do this with the team members from down under. | 15:14 |
| Wimpress | I have given the time much thought yet. | 15:14 |
| seb128 | we used to do that but 1am meeting wasn't really working | 15:14 |
| seb128 | it cost to the team more than it's worth imho | 15:15 |
| Wimpress | Just wanted to see if it has been tried before or what you all think about the idea. | 15:15 |
| didrocks | that would mean early morning, without US but with NZ/AU? | 15:15 |
| didrocks | or just US/NZ/AU? | 15:15 |
| Laney | don't think we have any working day overlap with robert_ancell | 15:15 |
| Laney | maybe the US does | 15:15 |
| hellsworth | yep we do | 15:15 |
| seb128 | or everyone in turn with every n weeks some people up at 1am for an IRC meeting (we had that at some point in the past) | 15:15 |
| hellsworth | but between US/EU/AU pick 2 | 15:15 |
| Wimpress | I have meetings with RObert at 8pm UK time regarding snap store. | 15:15 |
| seb128 | which is like 6am for James? | 15:16 |
| seb128 | there is still like 3 hours between Robert and James | 15:16 |
| Wimpress | Yeah, I know this isn't easy. | 15:17 |
| Wimpress | I don't think asking anyone to have a meeting at 1am is reasonable. | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | it's really tough | 15:17 |
| hellsworth | i think kenvandine and i are the only us ones. i'm happy to meet in the evening if it helps | 15:17 |
| Wimpress | So, the idea is OK. Just needs some actual thought regarding logistics? | 15:18 |
| seb128 | it's still going to be inconvenient for people, either earlier or conflciting with familly life, dinner, activities... | 15:18 |
| seb128 | I don't think it's worth the cost | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | i agree | 15:19 |
| seb128 | but just my opinion | 15:19 |
| Wimpress | OK. | 15:19 |
| seb128 | if we don't want to exclude half the team maybe think about fully go async? | 15:19 |
| didrocks | or we make the attendance optional, and have rolling time, so, it can be once US/AU, once US/EU, (and maybe EU/AU?) | 15:19 |
| seb128 | e.g drop the meeting and just use discourse... | 15:19 |
| marcustomlinson | I do think it's a nice idea to have US/AU community around for a meeting time | 15:19 |
| seb128 | or what didrocks says could also worth | 15:19 |
| seb128 | maybe change the meeting purpose | 15:20 |
| Laney | feels like a chat for a retrospective in a sprint at this point | 15:20 |
| seb128 | we have bugs & activity on discourse | 15:20 |
| Laney | to me anyway | 15:20 |
| seb128 | make it a sync point/office hour slot | 15:20 |
| Wimpress | Laney: Good idea! | 15:20 |
| seb128 | +1 | 15:20 |
| Laney | personally I don't agree that the rls stuff would be good on discourse, that works nicely in real time I think | 15:20 |
| Laney | but time zones do sucks | 15:20 |
| Laney | -s | 15:20 |
| Wimpress | Right, I'll think on that some more and we can chat about it together. | 15:21 |
| Laney | ta | 15:21 |
| Wimpress | I'm done. Anything else? | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | nothing from me | 15:21 |
| Wimpress | 3... | 15:21 |
| hellsworth | travel | 15:21 |
| hellsworth | folks should do that real quick | 15:22 |
| hellsworth | that is all | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | indeed | 15:22 |
| Wimpress | Good point hellsworth | 15:22 |
| seb128 | not from me | 15:22 |
| * didrocks is dealing with atpi, sounds train is complex for them :) | 15:22 | |
| seb128 | oh, as we do reminders | 15:22 |
| seb128 | @online training :) | 15:22 |
| hellsworth | is there an official due date for the online training? | 15:22 |
| marcustomlinson | deadline is next Wednesday I beleive | 15:22 |
| hellsworth | ah ok | 15:22 |
| seb128 | they said end of the month | 15:23 |
| marcustomlinson | well it was said 1 month from access which was 4 Nov | 15:23 |
| seb128 | but I emailed saying it was not possible for some people who were in holidays and they replied "do you best then" | 15:23 |
| seb128 | your* | 15:23 |
| Wimpress | End of this week is the target I believe. | 15:23 |
| seb128 | so I think it's not an well defined line, they just wanted to push people to get it done | 15:23 |
| hellsworth | sure ok thanks | 15:24 |
| Wimpress | And, I also heard there is some wiggle room. | 15:24 |
| === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Thanksgiving Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | Current topic: AOB | ||
| Wimpress | lulz | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:24 |
| Wimpress | All finished? | 15:24 |
| Laney | wonder if that'll break meetingology | 15:24 |
| didrocks | yep ;) | 15:24 |
| seb128 | yep | 15:24 |
| Laney | or if meetingology will break it | 15:24 |
| seb128 | should not, I think the bot is mart | 15:25 |
| seb128 | smart | 15:25 |
| Wimpress | Thanks everyone. | 15:25 |
| hellsworth | thanks! | 15:25 |
| Wimpress | 2... | 15:25 |
| oSoMoN | a smart bot? there is no such thing | 15:25 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, thx, well done handling your first meeting :) | 15:25 |
| Wimpress | 1... | 15:25 |
| Wimpress | Thanks seb128 | 15:25 |
| Wimpress | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Nov 26 15:25:41 2019 UTC. | 15:25 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-11-26-14.30.moin.txt | 15:25 |
| Laney | HA | 15:25 |
| didrocks | thx! | 15:25 |
| marcustomlinson | Thanks Wimpress | 15:25 |
| Laney | KNEW IT | 15:25 |
| seb128 | meetingology, you s.... bot :p | 15:25 |
| Wimpress | #botfail | 15:26 |
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| oSoMoN | told you | 15:26 |
| seb128 | pfiou | 15:26 |
| seb128 | not today that the bot get us out of having a job then! | 15:26 |
| oSoMoN | not that one anyway :) | 15:26 |
| hellsworth | lol | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | Wimpress: joining? | 15:33 |
| jibel | fidencio, I can do an automated installation with your preseed and find nothing wrong with it. | 15:36 |
| jibel | fidencio, then only thing I can imagine at the moment is that you set disk and bootdev to vda and if your VM is configured with a SATA interface instead of Virtio then the disk won't exist | 15:37 |
| jibel | but I suspect the error would be different than stopping on the guided partitioning step | 15:38 |
| jibel | it would likely be an error from partman saying it cannot find the root device | 15:38 |
| fidencio | jibel: you tried with the mentioned ISO? if you tried with focus, would you mind pointing me to the ISO you used? | 15:40 |
| fidencio | jibel: we do set the disk and bootdev to vda, but it's recognised and I can finish the installation without any issue, manually, still using vda | 15:40 |
| jibel | fidencio, I tried focal and I'm verifying on eaon now | 15:41 |
| jibel | fidencio, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/focal-desktop-amd64.iso | 15:42 |
| fidencio | jibel: let me try with focal here as well | 15:43 |
| seb128 | https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc/ubuntu-desktop-common | 15:45 |
| seb128 | new board | 15:45 |
| seb128 | the other board is "Ubuntu Desktop Snap" so I used "Common" there | 15:46 |
| Laney | beautiful | 15:48 |
| fidencio | jibel: same error here | 15:51 |
| fidencio | jibel: I wonder whether it may be related to the init_automatically_partition string passed to partman-auto | 15:51 |
| jibel | fidencio, another difference is that I put the seed in the preseed directory of the iso not the initrd | 15:55 |
| fidencio | jibel: can ubuntu generate a preseed file by the end of a normal installation? | 15:56 |
| fidencio | jibel: what's really fishy for me is that it only broke when using initrd injection with this specific ISO (and now with focal as well) | 15:57 |
| seb128 | grrr, moving column between boards lost the people :/ | 15:58 |
| Laney | do they come back once they re join the board? | 16:00 |
| fidencio | jibel: what I can see here is: ubiquity: Partman: state = [['', None, None]] | 16:01 |
| jibel | fidencio, no it cannot, you could do a debconf-get-selections but there would be lot of noise | 16:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, no :( | 16:01 |
| Laney | :< | 16:01 |
| fidencio | jibel: Partman: auto_state [0, 'Guided - use entire disk'] | 16:01 |
| fidencio | so, seems that partman is not getting the state passed | 16:01 |
| jibel | yeah | 16:01 |
| fidencio | jibel: what are the possible values to be passed? | 16:02 |
| seb128 | I'm adding people back to the board as I see fit but please review and add yourself to card if I missed some | 16:02 |
| seb128 | sorry for the noise :/ | 16:02 |
| jibel | fidencio, partman auto supports the following values | 16:05 |
| jibel | Guided - use the largest continuous free space | 16:05 |
| jibel | Guided - use entire disk | 16:05 |
| jibel | Guided - resize ${PARTITION} and use freed space | 16:05 |
| jibel | Guided - reuse partition, ${PARTITION} | 16:05 |
| jibel | Guided - use entire partition, ${PARTITION} | 16:05 |
| fidencio | jibel: how can I be sure the preseed file was found? | 16:23 |
| fidencio | when taking a look at casper.log, I can see something like "Begin: Loading preseed file... ... grep: /root/preseed.cfg: No such file or directory" | 16:36 |
| fidencio | nah, doesn't seem to be the issue as the same is shown when trying to install 18.10 and it just works | 16:41 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, hi, remember ff71 on xenial needs to be built against patch llvm-6 or llvm-8+ | 16:52 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, I know, and it's high on my to-do list, but I wanted to get the builds going in the PPA anyway | 16:53 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, ok | 17:00 |
| ricotz | with llvm-9 in bionic now it seems a good backport candidate as well | 17:00 |
| oSoMoN | indeed | 17:07 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, with our conditional code, once llvm-9 is out of proposed it should be picked up automatically by firefox builds, right? | 17:08 |
| oSoMoN | i.e. nothing to change in the packaging | 17:08 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, yes | 17:09 |
| fidencio | jibel: hmm. Interesting thing .... on 19.10, I can see on dmesg: "Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs..." and "Initramfs unpacking failed: Decoding failed" | 17:13 |
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| jibel | fidencio, how to you inject the preseed and rebuild the initrd? | 17:41 |
| bittin_ | Hello! Any Ubuntu Desktop Meeting today? i did my duties and reported a Totem bug atleast | 18:02 |
| bittin_ | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/totem/issues/377 | 18:03 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 377 in totem "Totem SegFaults on Ubuntu 20.04 Daily Image" [Opened] | 18:03 |
| bittin_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1854085 | 18:03 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1854085 in totem (Ubuntu) "Totem sefaults on launch" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:03 |
| oSoMoN | hi bittin_ ! the weekly desktop meeting was 3 hours ago | 18:06 |
| oSoMoN | thanks for that bug report | 18:06 |
| bittin_ | oSoMoN: alright, any meetings log file ? | 18:06 |
| oSoMoN | bittin_, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/11/26/%23ubuntu-desktop.html | 18:07 |
| bittin_ | thx | 18:07 |
| * bittin_ reads up | 18:14 | |
| bittin_ | btw anyone knows something about Force Feedback Wheels on Ubuntu 18 or 19? a friend is wondering | 18:24 |
| bittin_ | done reading thanks | 18:33 |
| bittin_ | Anyone know how to create a stack trace with Debug Symbols? | 18:38 |
| oSoMoN | bittin_, install debug symbols with instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages, then run whichever app that crashes in gdb, and when it breaks at the gdb prompt type "t a a bt" followed by return | 18:40 |
| bittin_ | oSoMoN: thanks the Totem guys wanted a strace but never did this before | 18:41 |
| bittin_ | oSoMoN: (gdb) "t a a bt" | 18:47 |
| bittin_ | Undefined command: "". Try "help". | 18:47 |
| bittin_ | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/totem/issues/377#note_656651 | 18:54 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 377 in totem "Totem SegFaults on Ubuntu 20.04 Daily Image" [1. Crash, 2. Needs Information, Opened] | 18:54 |
| bittin_ | @ oSoMoN | 18:54 |
| bittin_ | oSoMoN: so if you know how gdb works, could you help with that? that would be nice | 19:09 |
| oSoMoN | bittin_, gbd totem, then when you get the first prompt "run" and return | 19:45 |
| oSoMoN | then make the app crash, and "t a a bt" | 19:45 |
| bittin_ | oSoMoN: thanks | 19:46 |
| bittin_ | oSoMoN: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/totem/issues/377 | 19:47 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 377 in totem "Totem SegFaults on Ubuntu 20.04 Daily Image" [1. Crash, 3. Not Gnome, Closed] | 19:47 |
| oSoMoN | bittin_, note that if you have a crash file for totem under /var/crash, apport should have uploaded it automatically to errors.ubuntu.com | 20:03 |
| robert_ancell | sergiusens, hi | 20:08 |
| oSoMoN | bittin_, that's https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/55095074fb3c3335c19f63f3c91d3a8231be2034 | 20:08 |
| oSoMoN | (you might not be able to see this, but that means the crash is known and being tracked) | 20:09 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey | 20:17 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hi | 20:17 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, bittin_, looks like a valid one to send upstream to gitlab | 20:20 |
| oSoMoN | hey robert_ancell | 20:23 |
| robert_ancell | oSoMoN, hi! Actually I had a questions for you... Can you set the common-id for the 0ad snap? | 20:24 |
| oSoMoN | robert_ancell, sure, how do I do that? | 20:24 |
| robert_ancell | oSoMoN, https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/76432 | 20:25 |
| gitbot | microsoft issue (Pull request) 76432 in vscode "snapcaft.yaml: Set the AppStream ID in the Snap metadata" [Closed] | 20:25 |
| robert_ancell | Something like that. If that app doesn't have an ID then you use the .desktop file name | 20:26 |
| robert_ancell | oSoMoN, according to the .deb version in the YAML the ID should be com.play0ad.zeroad | 20:27 |
| fidencio | jibel: I just use virt-install to do so. Let me check the code. | 20:28 |
| oSoMoN | robert_ancell, so that's the value of the <id> field in the appdata.xml, right? | 20:28 |
| robert_ancell | oSoMoN, Yes. | 20:29 |
| oSoMoN | ack | 20:29 |
| robert_ancell | Bonus points for pulling it out automatically :) | 20:29 |
| robert_ancell | I'm trying to work out with sergiusens if we can get snapcraft to make this easier. | 20:29 |
| fidencio | jibel: https://github.com/virt-manager/virt-manager/blob/master/virtinst/install/installerinject.py#L15 | 20:30 |
| marcustomlinson | Hey robert_ancell | 20:32 |
| robert_ancell | o/ | 20:32 |
| oSoMoN | robert_ancell, appdata.xml is in the source tarball, so I could extract the id from there, but I don't suppose there's a "snapcraftctl set-common-id <ID>" command that can be used in scriptlets, is there? | 20:36 |
| robert_ancell | oSoMoN, I don't have enough snapcraft experience to say. | 20:37 |
| oSoMoN | sergiusens, can you confirm ^ ? | 20:38 |
| robert_ancell | oSoMoN, the common-id is per-app, so I guess it would have to be "snapcraftctl set-common-id <APP> <ID>" ? | 20:39 |
| marcustomlinson | robert_ancell: you may want to join #snapcraft | 20:39 |
| oSoMoN | right | 20:40 |
| oSoMoN | robert_ancell, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~osomon/+junk/0ad-snap/revision/34 , and snaps rebuilding on launchpad | 20:46 |
| robert_ancell | oSoMoN, thanks! | 20:46 |
| oSoMoN | ok, I'm off for today, have a good rest of the day everyone | 20:49 |
| marcustomlinson | me too. bye! | 20:50 |
| mwhudson | hm hm rustc builds ok on xenial/armhf when built with gcc 7... | 20:54 |
| === heather is now known as hellsworth | ||
| fidencio | jibel: Aha! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1835660 | 21:06 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1835660 in linux (Ubuntu) "initramfs unpacking failed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:06 |
| fidencio | jibel: not exactly the same issue, but similar / same error message | 21:07 |
| fidencio | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1840945 | 21:09 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1840945 in linux (Ubuntu) "Mixed compression initrds partially work" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:09 |
| fidencio | jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1840945 is the root cause. it *is* a regression as gzip stopped working. Preferring lz4 is totally understandable, dropping gzip support, tho, is a big regression as it does affect virt-manager / gnome-boxes / and pretty much a bunch of users relying on old scripts using gzip | 21:51 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1840945 in linux (Ubuntu) "Mixed compression initrds partially work" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:51 |
| fidencio | jibel: I've patched virt-manager to do the test, and used `lz4 -9 -l` and it just worked | 21:51 |
| fidencio | jibel: but patching virt-manager for dealing with this specific ISO is not the way to go | 21:52 |
| fidencio | robert_ancell: heya! are you running 19.10? | 22:12 |
| robert_ancell | fidencio, yes | 22:13 |
| fidencio | robert_ancell: mind pasting the output of `zgrep CONFIG_RD_ /usr/src/<path/to/latest/kernel>/.config`? | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | $ zgrep CONFIG_RD_ /usr/src/linux-headers-5.3.0-23-generic/.config | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | CONFIG_RD_XZ=y | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | CONFIG_RD_LZO=y | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y | 22:14 |
| fidencio | robert_ancell: hmm. interesting. not a kernel change then. | 22:15 |
| fidencio | robert_ancell: thanks a lot! | 22:15 |
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