| DanW58 | i can write my own specification. There are no tools, as far as I've been told before. Alacarte and MenuEdit are GNOME apps. | 00:00 |
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| wxl | they're not GNOME apps, they're GTK apps, which means you can use them, as long as you don't mind all the extra GTK libraries that come with them | 00:01 |
| DanW58 | Not Qt compatible. Learned the hard way. | 00:01 |
| wxl | they can't make use of the qt libraries but if you have lxqt there's no reason you can't use them | 00:02 |
| wxl | in fact, you will see them mentioned in that issue, which is within the lxqt project banner | 00:02 |
| DanW58 | Alacarte was a disaster; it seemed to be editing, but all the changes were lost, never made it to the menu. So I was asking questions in forums; somebody told me that app is not for Qt environments. | 00:02 |
| wxl | yeah that's probably speculation and random grasping at straws, if that | 00:04 |
| DanW58 | But besides, I'm used to, in Windows, to use the main manu as a bookmarks place; I'd put links to C++Annotations pdf files next to C++ environments, under a C++ submenu, under Programming, for example; not just applications. | 00:05 |
| wxl | so maybe it might make more sense to create a plugin for the panel that can do just that | 00:06 |
| wxl | so it would consist, essentially, of categoried shortcuts | 00:07 |
| DanW58 | Exactly. More general. As a newbie, my experience of Linux is not terribly positive yet; looks pretty, but a lot of things I've been installing via muon don't appear in the menu; those that do end up in folders like Other... | 00:08 |
| wxl | it's a problem with the applications | 00:09 |
| DanW58 | Plug-in? | 00:09 |
| wxl | there are plenty of windows programs out there that have the same problem | 00:09 |
| wxl | they're just not developed by microsoft | 00:09 |
| DanW58 | I don't care to point fingers. I want to improve the experience. | 00:09 |
| wxl | yes. every part of the panel is a plugin. i think the official lxqt terminology is widget | 00:09 |
| wxl | i'm not pointing fingers, but setting expectations appropriately | 00:10 |
| wxl | linux is a whole different paradigm | 00:10 |
| DanW58 | Not all windows apps insert themselves in the menu, either, but in Windows it's super easy; just drag and drop. | 00:10 |
| wxl | for better or for worse | 00:10 |
| wxl | and one thing to think about: that could be a pro, and to someoene else it might be a con | 00:10 |
| Munsko | for better in most all of the cases | 00:10 |
| wxl | so tl;dr go create yourself an issue in lxqt-panel in the upstream github to essentially announce your idea and start working on it | 00:11 |
| DanW58 | I can't imagine someone would complain about having the *ability* to drag and drop in the menu. | 00:12 |
| wxl | you, my friend, are in for some surprises :) | 00:12 |
| wxl | this is why i suggest making a totally separate plugin. it will reduce the controversy | 00:13 |
| DanW58 | It's a disability culture? :-D | 00:15 |
| DanW58 | Okay, how do I get started. I'm not on github. Never done development in posix circles. | 00:15 |
| DanW58 | I used SVN at one time. | 00:15 |
| wxl | forget the whole posix thing; github is owned by microsoft :) | 00:16 |
| DanW58 | Holy smokes! | 00:16 |
| DanW58 | I thought these were separate universes. | 00:17 |
| wxl | you should understand that github is not just a version control system (that's what *GIT* is, which is comparable to svn), but it's a much larger ecosystem that includes project management and issue tracking tools, etc. | 00:17 |
| wxl | really?????????? | 00:17 |
| wxl | you don't know about WSL??????? | 00:17 |
| DanW58 | Never heard of WSL | 00:17 |
| wxl | https://ubuntu.com/wsl | 00:17 |
| wxl | or maybe you prefer the ms branded version https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10 | 00:18 |
| wxl | on azure, linux is always the #1 used os, so ms decided maybe by partnering with linux they'd have more friends than enemies | 00:18 |
| wxl | one of the last linux confs i went to had an ms team there that sponsored one of the evening events. they were also celebrating the new release of debian linux, apparently. | 00:19 |
| Munsko | so the enemy is here? | 00:19 |
| wxl | the enemy is the malice that lurks inside | 00:20 |
| Munsko | were i can see more activity about the distro? | 00:22 |
| wxl | lubuntu? | 00:22 |
| Munsko | yes | 00:22 |
| Munsko | i only see support topics in the forum, askubuntu is full of support too | 00:22 |
| Munsko | here theres no much | 00:22 |
| wxl | well askubuntu is ONLY about support | 00:23 |
| wxl | that's all it's for | 00:23 |
| wxl | we don't announce too much in the forum | 00:23 |
| Munsko | that's right,yes | 00:23 |
| wxl | the phabricator instance is where you can see activity happening | 00:23 |
| Munsko | i see | 00:24 |
| Munsko | i found the right tab now | 00:24 |
| wxl | :) | 00:24 |
| Munsko | i was seeing a message saying last actualization 489 days ago lol | 00:24 |
| DanW58 | I'm back? | 00:26 |
| DanW58 | Am I back in? | 00:27 |
| Munsko | y | 00:28 |
| DanW58 | Ah, good; got kicked out by some weird timeout. I just copied the whole conversation into a text file so I don't lose the links; that was scary. New to Quassel IRC too... | 00:30 |
| Munsko | somebody knows how the function key that up and down the volume can lock my entire keyboard? | 00:34 |
| Munsko | some time ago i was having a problem with that, needed to log off and come back again | 00:34 |
| Munsko | and found that the problem comes out because the volume keys, and that if i press again that function shortcut it becomes ormal again | 00:35 |
| Munsko | but i dont know where i could find what causes that problem | 00:35 |
| guiverc | DanW58, FYI: if you want/need to look back at prior conversations (for links etc), everything is logged, eg. https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/07/14/%23lubuntu.txt (HTML version with colors available too) | 01:05 |
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| lubot | <totallynotavirus> How to report a bug? | 06:41 |
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| guiverc | @totallynotavirus, use `ubuntu-bug <package>` where <package> is the name of the package you've found an issue for, use https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ if you need help identifying package name | 07:40 |
| lubot | <totallynotavirus> @guiverc> @totallynotavirus, use `ubuntu-bug <package>` where <package [<guiverc> @totallynotavirus, use `ubuntu-bug <package>` where <package> is the n …], Thank you. | 08:31 |
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| ph88 | how should i install the virtualbox guest additions iso ?? | 13:29 |
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| lordbob | I just put lubuntu 18.04 32bit on my dad's 15 year old laptop, .99gb ram, Pentium M 1.73GHz | 13:53 |
| lordbob | (he's lordbob, I just wanted to embarrass him if he came to the chat with questions) | 13:54 |
| lordbob | she's slow, but she's on her feet | 13:54 |
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| lubot | <tbs61> @lordbob [<lordbob> (he's lordbob, I just wanted to embarrass him if he came to the chat w …], hahaha, good job:D | 17:26 |
| Bombo | hi | 17:26 |
| Bombo | i want to use a different theme for sddm, so i installed sddm-theme-maya but how do i enable it? i found /etc/sddm.conf.d/kde_settings.conf there it says Current=lubuntu i changed that to Current=maya, restarted sddm, but nothing changed | 17:29 |
| lubot | <tbs61> what s sddm? | 17:32 |
| Bombo | the display manager | 17:32 |
| Bombo | where you type your password | 17:33 |
| lubot | <tbs61> i dont remember hot to customize that one | 17:34 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @kc2bez [Follow this link to learn how to report bugs: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/], i red this over and over … but there's no explaination whatsoever if the complete os crashes … I have the log file ready but no place to show it to the developers … So what do i do? | 17:46 |
| lubot | <tbs61> i checked pling.com now, it also doesnt install themes auto for login managers | 17:47 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [i red this over and over … but there's no explaination whatsoever if the complete …], I want to file a bug … but nog package related … It's system related | 17:47 |
| lubot | <tbs61> @Michaël Van Bogaert [I want to file a bug … but not package related … It's system related], idk much but i still want to check, … if you downloaded it via torrent or checked your iso file? … did you try installing again after making bootable usb again? … is everything okay when you use live usb mode? | 17:49 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @tbs61 [idk much but i still want to check, … if you downloaded it via torrent or checked …], Iso was checked using md5sum … i installed more than 20!!! times over and over again … live mode I only used to install | 17:51 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [<reply to image>], `not a paid` … search brings you to the bug | 17:52 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> It happend several times in an evening … doesn't matter which packages are running … but it's always network related | 17:53 |
| lubot | <tbs61> lets see what pro guys would say here, they helped me a lot before | 17:53 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> I can play Civilization 6 for hours … but browsing the web or using zoom … crashes my system … I cannot ssh into it while it's freezed | 17:54 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @tbs61 [lets see what pro guys would say here, they helped me a lot before], thank you | 17:54 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [<reply to image>], it also crashes without Teamviewer installed … the weird thing is … Teamviewer is mentioned but i never started it | 17:59 |
| Bombo | now i'm trying to configure lightdm | 18:19 |
| Bombo | pkexec /usr/bin/lightdm-settings | 18:19 |
| Bombo | but i get 'Error executing command as another user: Not authorized' | 18:19 |
| Bombo | does this work for anyone? | 18:20 |
| diogenes_ | Bombo, pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY appname | 18:20 |
| Bombo | diogenes_: nope | 18:22 |
| diogenes_ | Bombo, then you might want to write a policy for that. | 18:23 |
| diogenes_ | oh wait do you even have gnome polkit installed? | 18:25 |
| Bombo | lightdm-settings comes with /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.x.lightdm-settings.policy | 18:25 |
| Bombo | there is mate-polkit installed | 18:26 |
| Bombo | apt search gnome-polkit found nothing | 18:27 |
| diogenes_ | policykit-1-gnome | 18:31 |
| Bombo | ii policykit-1-gnome 0.105-7ubuntu2 | 18:31 |
| Bombo | yes | 18:31 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> [ 5452.475990] watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 23s! [keepassxc:79682] | 18:33 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [[ 5452.475990] watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 23s! [keepassxc:7968 …], so … it's keepassxc that crashes the system? 🧐🤔 | 18:33 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> @Michaël Van Bogaert [so … it's keepassxc that crashes the system? 🧐🤔], You can purge keepassxc from your system and check, if the crashes still occur. … Check also, if you have any files under /var/crash … If the crashes still occur, you might have a hardware problem. | 18:38 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [You can purge keepassxc from your system and check, if the crashes still occur. …], thanks for the reply … what do you think about these lines out of /var/log/syslog.txt? | 18:42 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Finished Network Manager Wait Online. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Reached target Network is Online. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Starting Tool to automatically collect and submit kernel crash signatures... … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: S | 18:42 |
| lubot | tarting TeamViewer remote control daemon... … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Started crash report submission daemon. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: kerneloops.service: Found left-over process 3173 (kerneloops) in control group while starting unit. Ignoring. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: This usually indicates u | 18:42 |
| lubot | nclean termination of a previous run, or service implementation deficiencies. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Started Tool to automatically collect and submit kernel crash signatures. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren whoopsie[3168]: [18:23:17] Using lock path: /var/lock/whoopsie/lock … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: teamviewer | 18:42 |
| lubot | d.service: Can't open PID file /run/teamviewerd.pid (yet?) after start: Operation not permitted … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Started TeamViewer remote control daemon. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Reached target Multi-User System. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Reached target Graphical Interface. … Jul 14 1 | 18:42 |
| lubot | 8:23:17 michael-toren whoopsie[3168]: [18:23:17] The default IPv4 route is: /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/1 … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Starting Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes... … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren whoopsie[3168]: [18:23:17] Not a paid data plan: /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnec | 18:42 |
| lubot | tion/1 … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren whoopsie[3168]: [18:23:17] Found usable connection: /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/1 … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service: Succeeded. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Finished Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes. … Jul 14 18:23:17 m | 18:42 |
| lubot | ichael-toren systemd[1]: Startup finished in 15.162s (firmware) + 3.818s (loader) + 3.206s (kernel) + 6.151s (userspace) = 28.337s. | 18:42 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [Please use some paste service to share logfiles], https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9gvyDTH8zx/ | 18:45 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> See also `man 1 pastebinit` | 18:45 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> To filter the logs, you can use `journalctl -b -1 -p err` for the previous boot log. It shows only errors or with `-p warning` errors and warnings. | 18:48 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [To filter the logs, you can use journalctl -b -1 -p err for the previous boot lo …], https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d3TKqMCHhc/ | 18:50 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> I don't use teamviewer, so I cannot really help you to solve the problems there. The rest of it looks normal. | 18:51 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [To filter the logs, you can use journalctl -b -1 -p err for the previous boot lo …], https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NpHDJwnBFv/ | 18:52 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [I don't use teamviewer, so I cannot really help you to solve the problems there. …], it also occurs without Teamviewer installed | 18:52 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> The initramfs unpacking failed error should not be problematic, you can ignore it. … If you use the proprietary nvidia driver, this could also be the source of your problems. … But from the log files, the primary suspect is keepassxc. | 18:54 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> Did you have teamviewer installed? | 18:54 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [Did you have teamviewer installed?], I have 2 drives in my system … a Lubuntu with Teamviewer installed an one without it (the last one is already wiped) … And I had the same log in /var/log/syslog … but without Teamviewer in it | 18:56 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [I have 2 drives in my system … a Lubuntu with Teamviewer installed an one without …], https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9gvyDTH8zx/ … this is the log I'm talking about | 18:56 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [The initramfs unpacking failed error should not be problematic, you can ignore i …], I'll try without keepassxc | 19:00 |
| Bombo | ok for sddm i found this: i dont know where /etc/sddm.conf.d/kde_settings.conf came from, if i remove it and generate a fresh one: sddm --example-config > /etc/sddm.conf.d/foo.conf i can change the theme in that file | 19:00 |
| Bombo | Current=elarun looks pretty ;) | 19:01 |
| Bombo | and maledives | 19:02 |
| Bombo | the pkexec lightdm-settings is still not working | 19:03 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> @Michaël Van Bogaert [I'll try without keepassxc], You have installed the version from the repository or from a PPA? | 19:04 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> from the repo i guess … i did `sudo apt install keepassxc` … and the system kept it up-to-date (normally 😒) | 19:09 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [You can purge keepassxc from your system and check, if the crashes still occur. …], i have 7 files under /var/crash (to narrow it down 😆) | 19:34 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> (Photo, 1280x273) https://i.imgur.com/y7EwPdR.jpg | 19:36 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> Check the dates of the files with `ls -l`. If they are not very old, then it looks more like a hardware problem. | 19:38 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> You should make a memtest during the night (at least 8 hours) and check the hard disks with smartmontools | 19:39 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [Check the dates of the files with ls -l. If they are not very old, then it looks …], oldest is dated from 6/07 | 19:39 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> so hardware 😢 … new pc from december | 19:39 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [You should make a memtest during the night (at least 8 hours) and check the hard …], I'll do that | 19:40 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> thank you for your kind help | 19:40 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> you never know | 19:40 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> can I test a cpu for errors? | 19:41 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> @Michaël Van Bogaert [can I test a cpu for errors?], https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001089.htm … Check also all the cables | 19:44 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001089.htm … Check also all the cables], tx … I have a lot to do now | 19:45 |
| lubot | <Michaël Van Bogaert> But some other thing I wanted to share … My colleagues (also IT men like me) use Ubuntu on their laptop whereas I use Lubuntu … We all have the same laptop … And yet … I could impress one of them with the Lubuntu installation because of how snappy it is … And this is because the quality and efficiency from the Lubuntu d | 20:39 |
| lubot | evelopers … I once brought my desktop from home to work to show it off … (built in dec '19 … - 16GB RAM DDR4 3200 MHz -> to sync it with the AMD fabric clock in their cpu … - Ryzen 5 3600x … - Nvidia 1660Ti Asus ROG-STRIX … - MSI X570-A PRO … - FireCuda ssd 5GB/s PCIe 4.0 … when booted it consumes a laughable 500MB RAM … Windows can learn a lot f | 20:39 |
| lubot | rom this … they have to go back to school) … I silenced them with how my machine performs … To me … Ubuntu is just incredibly bloated compared to Lubuntu … Although I have to figure some things out now … I'm very happy with it | 20:39 |
| lubot | <F> Is it possible to use plasma multi display switch widget in Lubuntu? Using arandr is tiresome | 20:47 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Someone knows why constantly I get big syslog and kern.log files? 30gb each one on an ssd | 23:52 |
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