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leftyfbWFT00:09
leftyfbWTF00:09
leftyfbpretty sure that Drone bot is a bit too aggressive 00:10
sarnoldhah, it probably got a giant burst of data from irccloud flaking in and out00:11
leftyfbit needs to learn it's place! :)00:12
leftyfbwho the hell changes their password when they're drunk?00:12
oerheksgrinn00:13
gryI've found words "cloud", "project", "activity", and "using" to be complete garbage; often they can be replaced with something more specific and clear. now a new addition to the list: "{i,it} can't".00:57
grywhatever that user "can't" boot into grub for? it's a vagueness.00:58
sarnoldhe rarely makes sense00:59
sarnoldI know english isn't his native language, but it feels like he's drunk himself to incoherence00:59
gryit seems in his original message he was a bit more clear actually, he said he has unsaved work01:07
leftyfbhas he returned or are we referring to the conversation from almost 2 hours ago?01:47
sarnoldleftyfb: two hours ago01:48
leftyfbthey left the instant we told them the only way was to reboot. They were clearly trying to gain unauthorized access. Pretty sure that's the end of it01:48
lotuspsychjegood morning03:09
gryhi03:13
lotuspsychjehey there gry 03:14
lotuspsychjewhats happening in france03:15
gryno clue03:15
gryi've not been to france before03:15
lotuspsychjehmm my bad then, my memory lacks then03:15
lotuspsychjewhere you from again03:16
daftykinsj'habit au Guernsey03:18
lotuspsychjelol03:18
gryAustralia03:19
lotuspsychjeah down under mate03:20
gryyes, and I grew up in Russia03:20
noobarooDoes IRC really show IP address of everyone that joins?03:21
gryyes, unless they got a nickserv account and visited #libera-cloak, or they use an anonymity network03:22
daftykinsbit late if you don't auth before you join channels :)03:23
noobarooI just visited there, did it work?03:23
lotuspsychjeyep03:23
lotuspsychjeuser/noobaroo03:24
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noobarooIs there a channel where I can get help installing on an old powerpc iMac?03:26
lotuspsychje!mac03:26
ubottuFor help on installing and using Ubuntu on a Mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages03:26
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noobarooThat's great and all, but my mac is not listed there03:30
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noobarooIt's a PowerPC. I think only one of the older Ubuntus supports its. 03:31
noobarooAlso I'd prefer a channel03:31
lotuspsychjenoobaroo: #ubuntu is the support channel, but only for the recent supported ubuntu releases03:36
lotuspsychjeEOL releases like you would need, volunteers cant help you with03:36
gryat least not in the official channel03:36
grymaybe in some other channel03:36
grywhy did they drop powerpc support in newer releases?03:37
lotuspsychjeanother option could be searching for other distro's that pickup old powerpc's?03:37
_9pLet #windows never win!03:41
daftykinsit always wins 'cause WiFi works and isn't still a chore, a decade later! ;)03:44
marcoagpintomorning!04:36
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black_swordsman2hi everyone10:22
black_swordsman2need some help in deciding a powerful laptop for data science10:23
black_swordsman2confused regarding choosing which brand and gpu10:23
black_swordsman2wiki page seems to be outdated10:25
tomreynblack_swordsman2: there are laptops which are sold with linux pre-installed, this can be a good choice, but it's not strictly necessary. 10:34
tomreyni guess the first thing you should decide is which gpu you will want. if you definitely require cuda, you may want nvidia. but nvidia really only works well with the prorpietary drivers and those can be a bit annoying to get / keep working10:36
tomreynthen maybe look at the linux-first/-only vendors and see whether they have something suitable on offer. you *may* not get the ideal price/performance deal that way, though.10:38
tomreynblack_swordsman2: the market you'll be buying in can matter much, too. the latest hardware is usually only available in the countries where vendors make the most money.10:39
tomreynblack_swordsman2: in csse you lost the chat log, it will be here with ~30m delay: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/02/17/%23ubuntu-discuss.html10:57
Ravagegot a tiker lake i5 (HP 250 G8) yesterday. with the HWE kernel everything worked just fine. wifi too.11:00
Ravagebut i was curious to try jammy. so i updated. in general i never had a lot of driver issues with hardware lately11:00
Ravagealso the thinkpads usally are well supported. but i can only speak for devices 2 years old here11:01
lotuspsychjeRavage: a lot of bugs currently still on jammy, here on a clevo i511:11
RavageThe iso I had still had a bug with creating a Luks partition11:12
RavageBut upgrade from 20.04 worked11:13
RavageI saw that there was a fixed build out later11:13
lotuspsychjeprobably a known bug Ravage 11:13
RavageIt seems to be a recurring bug every release :)11:13
RavageOr pre release11:14
lotuspsychjeyeah, the penalty of bug testing early devel releases :p11:14
RavageBut i really found no bugs at all so far. System runs stable. Can break every day of course. But it's not an Important system11:15
RavageSo i can live with that11:15
lotuspsychjeare you on -desktop Ravage ?11:16
Ravageyes11:16
lotuspsychjewell probably a lot of bugs from daily iso, you might skip due early upgrade11:17
Ravagei dont plan to update my servers to jammy before the release for sure :D11:17
lotuspsychjei got a broken cheese video, flickering screen panel bug, switching workspaces gnome errors, bad wifi and eth, and a few other app bugs11:18
Ravageuh. that sounds kind of horrible :)11:19
lotuspsychjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/~lotuspsychje/+affectingbugs?orderby=importance&start=011:21
lotuspsychjeif you wanna test a few11:21
Ravagewill check them out after lunch11:22
lotuspsychjetnx11:23
lotuspsychjeand bon apetit!11:23
Jeremy31lotuspsychje: disable wifi power management and it might help that Intel11:26
lotuspsychjethink they removed that option on jammy Jeremy31 11:27
Jeremy31sudo iwconfig wlp2s0 power off11:28
lotuspsychjelets c11:28
lotuspsychjeno output after Jeremy31 11:28
lotuspsychjehowto check if it worked11:28
Jeremy31check iwconfig again11:28
lotuspsychjeoh yeah, worked11:29
lotuspsychjePower Management:off11:29
Jeremy31check>  sudo cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf11:29
Jeremy31wifi.powersave=3 will allow Network Manager to enable power management11:30
lotuspsychjewifi.powersave = 311:30
lotuspsychjeafk a bit first11:32
Jeremy31sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf11:33
Jeremy31It usually helps to use the iwlwifi parameter 11n_disable=8 enabling aggressive TX11:35
lotuspsychjeJeremy31: done, wifi.powersave = 213:37
lotuspsychjeleftyfb: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/sulzme/my_unix_stickers_finally_came/14:06
leftyfbYup, I’ve bought those a couple times14:07
lotuspsychjewich pack did you grab14:07
lotuspsychje!no advantage is <reply> Ubuntu Advantage is a single, per-node package of the most comprehensive enterprise security and support for open source infrastructure and applications, with managed service offerings available. Visit at https://ubuntu.com/support14:17
ubottuI know nothing about 'advantage' yet, lotuspsychje14:17
sreveHello everybody. Any suggestions about Landscape? Can it support us by manageing about 50 kiosk systems? All clients are hard to reach, so driving out must be a last option.14:18
oerheksManage up to 40,000 machines.. so, yeah15:08
oerhekshttps://landscape.canonical.com/15:08
lotuspsychjesreve: ^15:10
Jeremy31lotuspsychje: if disabling power management fixes it see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/196081715:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1960817 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Network Manager sets powersave on by default, thus making many WiFi connections unreliable" [Undecided, Confirmed]15:20
lotuspsychjetnx Jeremy31 gonna test a few days wifi now15:21
lotuspsychjeJeremy31: same chipset worked fine on 20.04 by the way15:21
lotuspsychjeno tweaks or whatsoever15:22
srevewell, 40,000 ok ... but that is only a quantity.15:23
srevecan I see the screen output (VNC) with landscape?15:24
leftyfbsreve: I don't think that is the purpose of landscape15:25
leftyfbsreve: what's wrong with ssh?15:25
lotuspsychjei think sreve perhaps means a remote viewer on his kiosks?15:25
leftyfbah right, kiosks15:25
sreveI do not know the exact specifications yet, but someone was talking about "teamviewer" remote access. I don't like to use teamviewer, when there are better solutions.15:26
leftyfbsreve: by better you mean free right?15:26
sreveno, must not be free.15:27
leftyfbother than cost, VNC is far from better than teamviewer15:27
srevelandscape isnt free eigther.15:27
sreveok, but I have to do my own VNC solution outside from landscape.15:28
leftyfbI do not think landscape supports remote desktop15:28
leftyfbsreve: if you care about performance, reliability or security, VNC isn't the way to go15:29
lotuspsychje+115:29
sreveVNC to the qnap(NAS) beside my, is horrible, yes.15:30
sreveI should create some VMs and test it. Landscape is free up to 3 hosts.15:31
srevelandscape requires 18.04 ... not so good.16:39
leftyfbsreve: as in, it won't work on 20.04?17:18
sreveleftyfb: but without support17:38
oerhekssreve, so upgrade to 20.04? who wants to run such old version anyway?18:20

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