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| DARTHLORD | Yo | 01:20 |
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| chromebittin | hi | 01:20 |
| DARTHLORD | Is this just a dead chat for ubuntu IRC? | 01:24 |
| DARTHLORD | Hola | 01:24 |
| whoever | hi all | 01:26 |
| sarnold | DARTHLORD: it depends if anyone has any questions | 01:26 |
| whoever | where is the ofical chan | 01:26 |
| chromebittin | this is | 01:26 |
| whoever | ok | 01:26 |
| whoever | i am tring to upgrate ubuntu 21 to 22 and i keep getting 404 errors when I run sudo apt-get update but i can browe http and have admin access | 01:27 |
| whoever | can someone assist | 01:27 |
| arraybolt3 | !eolupgrades | whoever | 01:28 |
| ubottu | whoever: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 01:28 |
| arraybolt3 | whoever: Click the last link in the Ubottu output, it has everything you need to know. Back up your data first please! | 01:28 |
| sarnold | chances are good you waited too long to upgrade, and now it's difficult | 01:29 |
| whoever | isn't there apt-get list_upgrade ? that will update my mirror list | 01:32 |
| whoever | so do i need a live liso or can i just download the 22.04 iso and click on that and select upgrade | 01:34 |
| whoever | ? | 01:34 |
| arraybolt3 | whoever: I don't think there's an easy way to upgrade using an ISO unless you back up your data and clean install. | 01:34 |
| arraybolt3 | However, the EOLUpgrades page linked above might be able to let you upgrade despite the fact that the release is old. | 01:35 |
| arraybolt3 | (The release you're currently on, I mean.) | 01:35 |
| whoever | thank you it looks like i have to create the iso and the hardest part is that it will take about 2 hours to download and i was tring to find a faster way, thank you | 01:42 |
| whoever | arraybolt3: i will let you know how it goes, hopefully your still around in a few hours | 01:43 |
| Bashing-om | whoever: No - the way forward is to edit your current install's sourcelist file to point to "old-releases" . | 01:50 |
| retrosenator | does it work? | 01:50 |
| retrosenator | i cant apt update | 01:51 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Can you explain in detail what you're trying to do? | 01:51 |
| retrosenator | apt update | 01:51 |
| retrosenator | it just gets stuck at 0% waiting for headers | 01:52 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Can you try to run "ping 8.8.8.8" and tell me if that works or not? | 01:52 |
| retrosenator | how would i be in irc? | 01:52 |
| retrosenator | of course that works | 01:52 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Ah, didn't know for sure if you were on the same computer. OK, nevermind. | 01:52 |
| retrosenator | sorry | 01:53 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Can you run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" and then share the link that spits out? That will let me see what mirrors you're using. | 01:53 |
| retrosenator | nifty | 01:53 |
| retrosenator | https://termbin.com/qmq9 | 01:53 |
| retrosenator | us.archive.ubuntu.com | 01:54 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: What in the world... is this a live ISO that you're booted into, or an installed system? | 01:54 |
| retrosenator | installed system | 01:55 |
| retrosenator | was working ok a few months ago, but recently I can't install anything | 01:55 |
| retrosenator | and apt update doesnt even work anymore | 01:55 |
| arraybolt3 | Well something is severely wrong with your sources.list file. I'd be interested in knowing how you installed it, or what you did to it, since something's messed it up. | 01:55 |
| retrosenator | i just installed the normal way | 01:55 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Can you also run "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | nc termbin.com 9999" and send that link? | 01:55 |
| arraybolt3 | Also, did you use any minimal install option or something like that? | 01:56 |
| retrosenator | there is nothing in sources.list.d | 01:56 |
| retrosenator | i installed like 2 years ago regular install | 01:56 |
| arraybolt3 | That's so weird. | 01:57 |
| retrosenator | what is? | 01:57 |
| retrosenator | what do i need to change to fix it? | 01:57 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: A bunch of important lines are missing, like ones for installing security updates and stuff like that. | 01:57 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Where did you download the ISO from? | 01:58 |
| retrosenator | its been a while but I think just ubuntu site | 01:58 |
| retrosenator | it was kubuntu | 01:58 |
| arraybolt3 | (At any rate it's easy to repair, but how it got there is beyond me.) | 01:58 |
| Bashing-om | retrosenator: arraybolt3: I can accept too that "focal jammy-updates main restricted universe multiverse " must also be enabled. | 01:58 |
| retrosenator | well how do I easily repair (lol) | 01:58 |
| arraybolt3 | Bashing-om: I don't see jammy-updates enabled | 01:59 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Just to be sure, is this Ubuntu 20.04 or 22.04? | 01:59 |
| retrosenator | I believe 20.04 | 01:59 |
| arraybolt3 | (And yes, I'll get to the "how to repair" very soon.) | 01:59 |
| retrosenator | how do I test? | 01:59 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: lsb_release --all | 01:59 |
| arraybolt3 | That will tell you for sure. | 01:59 |
| retrosenator | oh yeah 20.04.1 LSB | 01:59 |
| arraybolt3 | Perfect, ok one moment. | 02:00 |
| retrosenator | I mean LTS | 02:00 |
| arraybolt3 | (Whoa, 20.04.1? This thing hasn't updated in a *while*.) | 02:00 |
| retrosenator | i didnt update it | 02:00 |
| retrosenator | if it aint broke dont fix it lol | 02:00 |
| retrosenator | now its broke | 02:00 |
| retrosenator | updating evry 5 days uses bandwidth | 02:00 |
| retrosenator | not everyone has unlimited data nor wants to constantly do that | 02:01 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Valid point, but do be aware that not updating your system *will* leave security vulnerabilities in it, which could go poorly. | 02:01 |
| retrosenator | such as? | 02:02 |
| arraybolt3 | One of the main reasons for constant software updates is to avoid security problems from being left open. | 02:02 |
| retrosenator | being unable to update later? | 02:02 |
| retrosenator | well ive never been hacked | 02:02 |
| retrosenator | ever, never in my life | 02:02 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: There's a whole list of them here: https://ubuntu.com/security/notices | 02:02 |
| arraybolt3 | Anyway, I get limited bandwidth, it stinks. Maybe you can update your system over public WiFi every now and again. | 02:02 |
| retrosenator | none of that applies to me | 02:02 |
| retrosenator | i dont have public wifi | 02:02 |
| retrosenator | i'm on a hotspot with wpa encryption, dont have a remote ip address | 02:03 |
| arraybolt3 | Oh yuck. | 02:03 |
| retrosenator | i dont think its possible someone to hack me | 02:03 |
| arraybolt3 | Ok, I won't keep pushing the danger point anymore, but here's a list of vulns you're probably at risk of, that would actually be a real problem: https://ubuntu.com/security/notices?order=newest&release=focal&details=firefox | 02:04 |
| arraybolt3 | (A solid chunk of that list likely applies to your system.) | 02:04 |
| retrosenator | i'm interested though | 02:04 |
| retrosenator | you mean firefox can delete my files if I go to certain sites? | 02:04 |
| arraybolt3 | 20.04.1 was released August 6 2020, so everything newer than that, your Firefox is vulnerable to. | 02:04 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Yes, quite possibly. | 02:05 |
| retrosenator | i'm not using firefox lol but wow | 02:05 |
| retrosenator | ok that is pretty bad | 02:05 |
| arraybolt3 | Welcome to software bugs. Sorry, it's crummy. | 02:05 |
| arraybolt3 | Anyway, I'll make a sources.list file that *only* gives you critical security updates, so that you can update frequently without eating too much bandwidth. | 02:05 |
| retrosenator | that would be interesting | 02:06 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, can you run "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list", then press and hold Ctrl+K until the file is empty? | 02:06 |
| arraybolt3 | When that's done, place the following two lines into the file: | 02:06 |
| arraybolt3 | GNU nano 6.2 New Buffer * | 02:06 |
| arraybolt3 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy main universe restricted multiverse | 02:06 |
| arraybolt3 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy-security main universe restricted multiverse | 02:06 |
| arraybolt3 | (Er, ignore the GNU nano line.) | 02:06 |
| retrosenator | jammy? | 02:07 |
| arraybolt3 | NO! | 02:07 |
| arraybolt3 | My mistake, sorry. | 02:07 |
| retrosenator | will that work on focal? | 02:07 |
| retrosenator | should i change it? | 02:07 |
| arraybolt3 | Nope. | 02:07 |
| arraybolt3 | Do **NOT** use jammy, that was a boffo. | 02:07 |
| retrosenator | ok | 02:07 |
| arraybolt3 | (I copy-pasted from my own sources.list, and I use jammy, so...) | 02:07 |
| retrosenator | ok | 02:08 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: OK, here's what the file should contain: https://termbin.com/ktfz | 02:08 |
| retrosenator | i mean.. the other way is to backup all my data and reinstall | 02:08 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: No need to do that. | 02:08 |
| retrosenator | well its the same as before | 02:08 |
| retrosenator | apt update | 02:08 |
| arraybolt3 | Just copy the data from that pastebin into the file (you can paste into the terminal with Ctrl+Shift+V). | 02:08 |
| retrosenator | it hangs | 02:08 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: You already saved the file? | 02:08 |
| retrosenator | yes | 02:09 |
| retrosenator | i dont have ipv6 | 02:09 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Where are you geographically? | 02:09 |
| retrosenator | is that the problem? | 02:09 |
| arraybolt3 | (ipv6 shouldn't be necessary.) | 02:09 |
| retrosenator | only ipv4 works | 02:09 |
| retrosenator | i'm in southeast US | 02:09 |
| chromebittin | it was so beautiful when we were close to each other and you were playing with my hairs | 02:09 |
| chromebittin | oops | 02:09 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Hmm... that's odd. | 02:09 |
| arraybolt3 | Can you try "ping us.archive.ubuntu.com"? | 02:10 |
| retrosenator | 64 bytes from kazooie.canonical.com (91.189.91.39): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=63.1 ms | 02:10 |
| arraybolt3 | See if that works, then press Ctrl+C to make it stop. | 02:10 |
| retrosenator | yes it works | 02:10 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Maybe you need to just wait, sometimes apt update hangs for a while for me but then it starts working. | 02:10 |
| retrosenator | like how long? | 02:10 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Also, if you're on a hotspot, what APN are you using? Can you find out using the hotspot's web UI? | 02:11 |
| arraybolt3 | (For me it hangs, in some instances, for, oh, 30 seconds?) | 02:11 |
| retrosenator | its an android phone | 02:11 |
| arraybolt3 | (It doesn't always hang, but sometimes.) | 02:11 |
| chromebittin | is there also a banjo? | 02:11 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Oh tar. | 02:11 |
| retrosenator | give me internet via 4g | 02:11 |
| retrosenator | i wonder if that is the issue | 02:11 |
| chromebittin | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjo-Kazooie | 02:11 |
| arraybolt3 | I'm using internet over 4g and that works just fine. | 02:11 |
| retrosenator | well the other thing is, I have sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_default_ttl=65 | 02:12 |
| retrosenator | at boot | 02:12 |
| retrosenator | otherwise it wont give me internet | 02:12 |
| retrosenator | no idea if that matters | 02:12 |
| chromebittin | banjo should be the iso builder ;D | 02:12 |
| retrosenator | apt update used to work few months ago | 02:12 |
| arraybolt3 | chromebittin: This is off-topic in the middle of a support session, could you take it elsewhere? | 02:12 |
| chromebittin | sorry | 02:12 |
| retrosenator | i'm trying to learn how to fix this for future | 02:12 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Maybe try switching to USB tethering. | 02:12 |
| retrosenator | i dont have a usb-c cable with data | 02:13 |
| retrosenator | i need to get one | 02:13 |
| retrosenator | that really probably should not matter | 02:13 |
| arraybolt3 | Well crud, I'm running out of ideas here :( | 02:13 |
| retrosenator | it times out | 02:13 |
| retrosenator | Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.39 80] | 02:13 |
| retrosenator | which is weird because i can connect to that ip and port | 02:14 |
| retrosenator | using telnet | 02:14 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Can you do "cat /etc/apt/apt.conf | nc termbin.com 9999"? | 02:14 |
| retrosenator | cat: /etc/apt/apt.conf: No such file or directory | 02:15 |
| retrosenator | lol | 02:15 |
| * arraybolt3 laughs in chagrin | 02:15 | |
| retrosenator | i bet that is a problem actually | 02:15 |
| arraybolt3 | Hmm, I don't have that file either... | 02:15 |
| retrosenator | oh :-/ | 02:16 |
| arraybolt3 | ping kazooie.canonical.com | 02:16 |
| arraybolt3 | See if that works or not. | 02:16 |
| retrosenator | i have a raspberry pi with raspbian and it works | 02:16 |
| retrosenator | it can apt update | 02:16 |
| retrosenator | but only after i disable ipv6 | 02:16 |
| retrosenator | othrwise it tries to use ipv6 and cant because the phone wont do it | 02:17 |
| retrosenator | i can ping fin | 02:17 |
| retrosenator | no issues pinging | 02:17 |
| arraybolt3 | ... :/ | 02:17 |
| retrosenator | its fine if you are out of ideas | 02:17 |
| retrosenator | i dont know what i will do.. maybe try reinstall | 02:17 |
| arraybolt3 | What's /etc/resolv.conf look like? | 02:17 |
| arraybolt3 | "cat /etc/resolv.conf | nc termbin.com 9999" | 02:18 |
| retrosenator | nameserver 127.0.0.53 | 02:18 |
| retrosenator | thats all that is /etc/resolv.conf | 02:18 |
| retrosenator | i can try 8.8.8.8 ... | 02:18 |
| bougyman | smells like unbound | 02:18 |
| retrosenator | doesnt make a difference | 02:19 |
| retrosenator | no that is the ip of the phone | 02:19 |
| retrosenator | actually | 02:19 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: I have an idea, one moment... | 02:19 |
| retrosenator | i dont know but I can ping 127.0.0.53 | 02:19 |
| retrosenator | it is somehow localhost | 02:19 |
| bougyman | It is. | 02:19 |
| arraybolt3 | OK that seem wrong. | 02:20 |
| arraybolt3 | Do you have any proxy software installed? | 02:20 |
| retrosenator | well there is some kind if nameserver locally | 02:20 |
| arraybolt3 | Yeah but that should be on the phone. | 02:20 |
| retrosenator | port 53 shows open in nmap | 02:20 |
| bougyman | There must be. It's probably unbound. | 02:20 |
| retrosenator | locally i think it caches name requests or something | 02:20 |
| arraybolt3 | My nameserver is 192.168.0.1. | 02:20 |
| retrosenator | I am not sure.. this stuff moves faster than I know what is going on | 02:20 |
| bougyman | ss -nlupOh, not, that's systemd-resolv | 02:21 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: What happens if you do "dpkg-query -s unbound"? Please don't paste the output here. | 02:21 |
| bougyman | UNCONN 0 0 127.0.0.53%lo:53 0.0.0.0:* users:(("systemd-resolve",pid=832,fd=13)) | 02:21 |
| bougyman | It's not unbound, though unbound also uses that 127.0.0.53 usually | 02:21 |
| retrosenator | dpkg-query: package 'unbound' is not installed and no information is available | 02:21 |
| bougyman | sudo ss -nlup, you'll see it running on that port. | 02:21 |
| retrosenator | systemd-resolv | 02:22 |
| bougyman | yup | 02:22 |
| retrosenator | i mean systemd-resolve | 02:22 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Yeah that seems normal. | 02:22 |
| retrosenator | it seems normal to me, but I am not familiar with systemd-resolve | 02:23 |
| bougyman | resolvectl-status | 02:23 |
| bougyman | I'm not either. I didn't ask for it but something shoved it on this thing. | 02:23 |
| arraybolt3 | bougyman: I don't think there's a - in it, but that's what I'd run next. | 02:23 |
| bougyman | right, no - | 02:23 |
| bougyman | resolvectl status | 02:23 |
| retrosenator | yeah it works, but prints a bunch of stuff | 02:24 |
| retrosenator | i dont think resolving names to ip is the issue with apt update though | 02:24 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Try "resolvectl status | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link. | 02:24 |
| retrosenator | https://termbin.com/8a2ev | 02:24 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: It might be, I found something that looked hopeful. | 02:24 |
| ravage | didnt we already establish that he can resolve DNS just fine? | 02:24 |
| arraybolt3 | ravage: Yes, but one moment, I'll send you the link I found... | 02:24 |
| retrosenator | if it is dns that would be insidious | 02:25 |
| arraybolt3 | ravage: https://github.com/NLnetLabs/dnssec-trigger/issues/5 | 02:25 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 5 in NLnetLabs/dnssec-trigger "resolv.conf needs option trust-ad in order for glibc to trust it" [Closed] | 02:25 | |
| bougyman | Yeah I have trust-ad in my resolv.conf here. | 02:25 |
| bougyman | nameserver 127.0.0.53 | 02:26 |
| bougyman | options edns0 trust-ad | 02:26 |
| retrosenator | but like I said, I tried 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf and apt update still hangs | 02:26 |
| ravage | his apt command also already shows the IP | 02:26 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Try adding "options edns0 trust-ad" do the end of your resolv.conf file. | 02:26 |
| arraybolt3 | s/do/to/ | 02:26 |
| arraybolt3 | The bug above might explain why DNS resolution works but only for some programs. | 02:27 |
| retrosenator | what about different mirrors | 02:27 |
| retrosenator | arraybolt3: it makes no difference | 02:27 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: That's an option too, but us.archive.ubuntu.com *should* just work. | 02:27 |
| ravage | that is what i would try too | 02:27 |
| ravage | remove the "us." | 02:27 |
| ravage | and see what happens | 02:27 |
| arraybolt3 | I mean it's working here. | 02:27 |
| retrosenator | oh | 02:27 |
| arraybolt3 | But yeah, go ahead and try ravage's suggestion. | 02:27 |
| retrosenator | its http:// not https:// | 02:27 |
| retrosenator | is that normal? | 02:27 |
| arraybolt3 | Yes. | 02:27 |
| ravage | http is fine | 02:27 |
| retrosenator | removing us makes no change | 02:28 |
| ravage | i hope it shows another IP at least | 02:28 |
| retrosenator | no problem opening http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ in a browser | 02:28 |
| arraybolt3 | I know it seems like that would be a security risk, but apt does signature verifications that make it not needed IIUC. | 02:28 |
| ravage | does "wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz" work? | 02:29 |
| morgan-hp | re comparing Chromium and more commercial browsers. A couple of folks here were scolding me re using chrome but didnt have much reason except stick-with-your-team. Here are some actual reasons: https://www.brightworkresearch.com/the-enormous-difference-in-memory-consumption-between-google-chrome-microsoft-edge-and-chromium/ | 02:29 |
| retrosenator | ravage: no | 02:29 |
| retrosenator | it hangs | 02:29 |
| retrosenator | but... opening the same url in a browser works | 02:29 |
| arraybolt3 | Y'know what, Firefox uses DNS-over-HTTPS I believe. I bet that's why it works and this other stuff doesn't. | 02:29 |
| retrosenator | and downloads the file | 02:29 |
| chromebittin | 04:27 < Khaytsus> Foxes make noises you would not expect... I want to think they'd sound like dogs. they are really high pitched, more like..........cats | 02:29 |
| chromebittin | 04:27 < Khaytsus> Foxes make noises you would not expect... I want to think they'd sound like dogs. they are really high pitched, more like..........cats | 02:29 |
| arraybolt3 | chromebittin: Wrong channel, please, stop it. | 02:30 |
| morgan-hp | tomreyn, oerheks, launchdemon look at my previous contribution of interest: not a question. | 02:30 |
| ravage | retrosenator, can you paste the output? | 02:30 |
| chromebittin | arraybolt3: copy paste by mistake, not used to Chromebook | 02:30 |
| retrosenator | yeah.. wget and curl dont work on that url | 02:30 |
| retrosenator | but chrome browser can download the file fine | 02:30 |
| ravage | also try "wget https://mirror.united-gameserver.de/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz" | 02:30 |
| arraybolt3 | chromebittin: No problem, I've done that. :) | 02:30 |
| retrosenator | ravage: works | 02:31 |
| morgan-hp | ah arraybolt3 too. ya'll have been helpful to me. | 02:31 |
| launchdemon | morgan-wp: hm? | 02:31 |
| ravage | ok so this is a bit weird. we seem to have a problem only with http | 02:31 |
| launchdemon | i don’t even use ubuntu | 02:31 |
| ravage | does "echo $HTTP_PROXY" output anything? | 02:31 |
| arraybolt3 | ravage: Maybe the hotspot is blocking connections to archive.ubuntu.com to avoid people using it for OS updates. | 02:31 |
| arraybolt3 | (Connections to port 80 at least.) | 02:32 |
| morgan-hp | if I remember you were helpful to me. that's all. if you dont use ubuntu, then what are you doing here? morgan must have a small brain launchdemon | 02:32 |
| retrosenator | oh maybe it is... its verizon | 02:32 |
| arraybolt3 | I could imagine a phone company doing that to avoid hotspot abuse. | 02:32 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: In which case... you're going to love my next suggestion. Let's put a proxy into the mess and see what happens. | 02:32 |
| retrosenator | i think they did that | 02:32 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Can you install SimpleSSHD onto the phone? | 02:33 |
| launchdemon | yeah i’m a debian guy :P | 02:33 |
| retrosenator | i tried using the united-gameserver... it doesnt work for apt-update for not trusted cert | 02:33 |
| ravage | you are fine to use my mirror of course | 02:33 |
| ravage | uh | 02:33 |
| ravage | then your OS got no updates for a long time | 02:33 |
| retrosenator | arraybolt3: i can try... | 02:33 |
| arraybolt3 | ravage: He's on 20.04.1... | 02:33 |
| retrosenator | ravage: that is very true lol | 02:33 |
| arraybolt3 | So yeah, no OS updates for a loooooooong time. | 02:33 |
| arraybolt3 | I think he's over 2 years behind. | 02:33 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: I'm assuming you're on an android phone, if you use an iPhone we're pretty much out of luck with my next solution. | 02:34 |
| ravage | we may be able to fix that cert thing | 02:34 |
| retrosenator | there is a way to allow it right? | 02:34 |
| retrosenator | arraybolt3: its android | 02:34 |
| retrosenator | i wonder if a vpn would fix this | 02:34 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: That's what I'm trying to do. Tunnel your update traffic through a proxy so that it looks like it's coming from the phone and not the computer itself. | 02:34 |
| retrosenator | well even if I reinstall.. I will have this issue | 02:34 |
| retrosenator | arraybolt3: i am already sort of doing that | 02:35 |
| retrosenator | it wont let me have internet at all without changing the ttl count | 02:35 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Right, but if you tunnel through SimpleSSHD, it might let you bypass the block. | 02:35 |
| arraybolt3 | Basically, SimpleSSHD acts as an SSH server on the phone, then you connect to it using ssh on the laptop and create a proxy with it. Then you tell apt to use the proxy, then attempt an apt update and see what happens. It's very kludgy, but it might work. | 02:37 |
| retrosenator | so I create a proxy just for apt? | 02:37 |
| ravage | retrosenator, can you download "http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/c/ca-certificates/ca-certificates_20211016~20.04.1_all.deb" in your browser? | 02:37 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Yes. | 02:37 |
| retrosenator | ravage: yes, in a browser, but not with wget | 02:38 |
| retrosenator | what is up with that? | 02:38 |
| arraybolt3 | morgan-hp: Glad to have been able to help! | 02:38 |
| ravage | and then "sudo apt install ~/Downloads/ca-certificates_20211016~20.04.1_all.deb" | 02:38 |
| ravage | that may at least make my mirror work | 02:38 |
| ravage | but you can follow the proxy way too | 02:38 |
| retrosenator | arraybolt3: i will hold onto that suggestion... | 02:38 |
| retrosenator | ravage: any idea why the browser can download it but not wget? | 02:39 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Go with what ravage is suggesting. Use the proxy thing as an absolute last resort, it's a lot of work. | 02:39 |
| retrosenator | because that would explain why the original ubuntu mirror doesnt work | 02:39 |
| ravage | firefox has his own certificate store | 02:39 |
| retrosenator | oh | 02:39 |
| arraybolt3 | ravage: Yeah but it's http, certificates shouldn't matter here. | 02:39 |
| arraybolt3 | But I could be wrong, sometimes things work weird. | 02:39 |
| ravage | the mirror on port 80 should really just work | 02:40 |
| retrosenator | you mean dpkg -i right? | 02:40 |
| ravage | it may be that firefox auto configures a proxy | 02:40 |
| ravage | you could check the settings | 02:40 |
| retrosenator | this is chrome | 02:40 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: No, just sudo apt install <filename> should work. | 02:40 |
| ravage | then chrome | 02:40 |
| retrosenator | i think i stopped using firefox a while ago because it didnt work lol | 02:40 |
| retrosenator | I could try using it again lol | 02:40 |
| ravage | dpkg -i will also work in this case | 02:41 |
| ravage | but apt will do just fine | 02:41 |
| retrosenator | oh wow! apt update works now | 02:41 |
| retrosenator | whew, thanks! | 02:41 |
| arraybolt3 | After installing that file? | 02:41 |
| ravage | now you can at least get your system up to date :) | 02:41 |
| retrosenator | yes | 02:41 |
| retrosenator | I 20% understand what is going on | 02:41 |
| * arraybolt3 throws everything I thought I knew about http out the window | 02:41 | |
| ravage | arraybolt3, he uses my mirror with https | 02:42 |
| retrosenator | i have https in the sources.list | 02:42 |
| * arraybolt3 picks back up everything I thought I knew about http | 02:42 | |
| ravage | thats why i fixed the ca-certificates after i saw that https works | 02:42 |
| retrosenator | yeah its verizon doing this | 02:42 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: I'm guessing Verizon is blocking http stuff somehow or other. Makes sense why, but it's also profoundly annoying. Glad there was a solution! | 02:42 |
| retrosenator | i hd to use adb shell on the phone to delete a ton of apps | 02:43 |
| arraybolt3 | ravage: Thanks for bailing me out here, I was running low on ideas and the last trick I had is somewhat of a nightmare to use. | 02:43 |
| retrosenator | only way to get rid of them, and it was constantly poping up telling me I can't enable a hotspot, so I deleted that app | 02:43 |
| retrosenator | they dont want you using devices besides the phone to access internet | 02:43 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Not without a more expensive plan, no. | 02:43 |
| retrosenator | well they didnt have a more expensive plan at the time, but I think they recently added one | 02:44 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: You might look into https://calyxinstitute.org/, they're cheap and don't have this kind of shenanigans. | 02:44 |
| arraybolt3 | (It's a mobile hotspot with unlimited data, I use it as my sole source of Internet. Requires T-Mobile cell coverage, though.) | 02:44 |
| retrosenator | I was in a remote area and verizon was the only carrier.. i've since moved somewhere with more but yeah | 02:44 |
| ravage | and if you cant change the plan maybe a VPN could work | 02:44 |
| retrosenator | yeah tmobile doesnt have as good coverage | 02:44 |
| retrosenator | i'm thinking vpn too yes | 02:44 |
| arraybolt3 | +1 for VPN, I use Riseup for when I need one. It's in the Snap store. | 02:45 |
| arraybolt3 | snap search riseup-vpn | 02:45 |
| retrosenator | thanks guys! | 02:45 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: No problem, glad to be able to help! And thank ravage, he's the one who knew what he was doing here :) | 02:45 |
| retrosenator | 502 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. | 02:45 |
| ravage | wow | 02:45 |
| ravage | go for it :D | 02:46 |
| arraybolt3 | Sheesh. | 02:46 |
| ravage | or drive to a mcdonalds :D | 02:46 |
| retrosenator | i'm afraid it will not reboot if I do... | 02:46 |
| ravage | updates usually really dont break stuff | 02:46 |
| arraybolt3 | Guess that's what 2 years of security updates look like. | 02:46 |
| retrosenator | I will backup all my data to a hard disk first | 02:46 |
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| ravage | but backups are always a good idea | 02:46 |
| retrosenator | ravage: i dont drive lol | 02:46 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Good idea. It should be safe, but "should be" isn't something to bet on here. | 02:46 |
| ravage | bike? :D | 02:46 |
| retrosenator | ravage: i only walk | 02:47 |
| retrosenator | i'm the only one it seems... society here frustrates me | 02:47 |
| ravage | i dont drive either | 02:47 |
| retrosenator | I mean.. walking 5 miles each way to the store isnt that far | 02:47 |
| ravage | but here i really dont need to | 02:47 |
| retrosenator | but when i tell people this they think its impossible | 02:47 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: I can't even walk one mile very easily. | 02:47 |
| ravage | supermarket is like 50m. same for public transportation | 02:47 |
| arraybolt3 | I've biked several miles before. | 02:48 |
| retrosenator | there is no public transportation | 02:48 |
| ravage | and i already put 2 wifi routers at the bars i like around here | 02:48 |
| ravage | they did not have wifi for guests | 02:49 |
| ravage | now they do | 02:49 |
| retrosenator | i used to have a bike.. would pedal > 100 miles for day after day crossing states etc | 02:49 |
| retrosenator | well wifi is harder and harder to find | 02:49 |
| retrosenator | its mostly locked | 02:49 |
| ravage | but we can maybe move this to #ubuntu-offtopic . nice talk but really off topic here :D | 02:49 |
| retrosenator | back to topic... would it be possible for apt to somehow detect this situation and provide more helpful messages? | 02:50 |
| retrosenator | or is it not worth bothering? | 02:50 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: I think "Connection timed out" is the best it can do, since that's all it sees happening. | 02:51 |
| ravage | well. it detects that it cant connect to that IP on port 80 | 02:51 |
| ravage | what do you want it to do? :) | 02:51 |
| retrosenator | whatever the web browser does to be able to obtain the data?? | 02:51 |
| retrosenator | i guess that is a wget thing | 02:51 |
| ravage | can you check your chrome browser settings | 02:51 |
| ravage | and see if it has any proxy configured? | 02:52 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: We call that "https", and that's what it's doing now. I think. | 02:52 |
| ravage | maybe the wifi just provides a proxy url | 02:52 |
| ravage | your console will not configure that automatically | 02:52 |
| ravage | browsers can do that | 02:52 |
| ravage | it should show with "chrome://net-internals/#proxy" | 02:53 |
| retrosenator | there is nothing | 02:54 |
| retrosenator | yet I can open the url that wget cannot | 02:54 |
| retrosenator | I'm trying to get apt to prints out "you are using verizon, please do ...." lol | 02:55 |
| retrosenator | maybe just not reasonable I'll forget it | 02:55 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Don't think it can detect that, sadly. :) | 02:55 |
| arraybolt3 | Would be kinda cool though. | 02:55 |
| retrosenator | I just need to be smarter, at least I learned something | 02:55 |
| ravage | wget --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/21.0" http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz | 02:55 |
| ravage | does that do anythine? | 02:55 |
| ravage | *anything | 02:56 |
| retrosenator | yes it works | 02:56 |
| ravage | wow | 02:56 |
| ravage | Verizon sucks so hard :) | 02:56 |
| retrosenator | without the user-agent not working | 02:56 |
| ravage | they really block the user agent strings with a transparent proxy | 02:57 |
| retrosenator | --user-agent="bite me" works too | 02:57 |
| ravage | yep thought so | 02:57 |
| arraybolt3 | So what they just block apt and wget? | 02:57 |
| ravage | yep | 02:57 |
| ravage | see https://dmfrsecurity.com/2018/12/10/changing-apts-user-agent-string/ | 02:57 |
| arraybolt3 | *shakes phone vigorously* | 02:57 |
| retrosenator | so its specifically looking for whatever apt update will use? | 02:57 |
| ravage | put that in "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99user-agent" | 02:57 |
| ravage | put back your normal us mirror url | 02:57 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: Kinda, yeah. | 02:57 |
| ravage | and test | 02:57 |
| ravage | i guess you can put anything in there really but apt | 02:59 |
| ravage | but faking a browser is always good | 02:59 |
| retrosenator | I cant get it to work | 02:59 |
| ravage | what doesnt work? | 03:00 |
| retrosenator | I was going to put a message to them | 03:00 |
| retrosenator | the 99user-agent | 03:00 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: I wouldn't do that, what if they see it and block that too? | 03:00 |
| ravage | did you open it with sudo? | 03:00 |
| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: I'd go with browser spoofing. | 03:00 |
| ravage | what does not work exactly? | 03:00 |
| retrosenator | oh wait was in /etc/apt not /etc/apt/apt.conf.d ... | 03:00 |
| ravage | yep | 03:00 |
| ravage | it is /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99user-agent | 03:01 |
| retrosenator | yeah it works | 03:02 |
| ravage | \o/ | 03:02 |
| retrosenator | with "eat my balls" as the user agent | 03:02 |
| ravage | take that Verizon | 03:02 |
| retrosenator | so.. maybe apt could try different user agents | 03:03 |
| ravage | this really is not an apt bug | 03:03 |
| arraybolt3 | Well to be fair, everything we're doing here is risky from a terms of use perspective. Verizon could notice what you're doing and just shut you down or yell at you for it. | 03:03 |
| retrosenator | then they will just find other ways to block | 03:03 |
| ravage | it is an ISP crippling your internet | 03:03 |
| retrosenator | arraybolt3: I am on a monthly prepaid plan using cash, I will just not pay next month | 03:04 |
| retrosenator | if it gets impossible to use them | 03:04 |
| arraybolt3 | As someone who's been in a similar situation, I get it, I don't think what you're doing is unethical, so I'll help with it, but I think if apt did this by default, that could go poorly for some people. | 03:04 |
| retrosenator | I agree | 03:04 |
| retrosenator | but just using randomly tweaking user agents... | 03:05 |
| retrosenator | heh | 03:05 |
| ravage | the way they block it is just bad | 03:05 |
| ravage | they could just throw a normal http status code | 03:05 |
| retrosenator | well, they also block packets based on ttl count | 03:06 |
| ravage | and not just drop the connection | 03:06 |
| retrosenator | its like trying to charge money for a wifi connection which is impossible because you can spoof macs | 03:06 |
| retrosenator | they are trying to do something that they can't really do because the technology isnt designed for it | 03:06 |
| ravage | well. at least we solved the mystery1 | 03:07 |
| ravage | i would still look for a better data plan or a VPN :) | 03:07 |
| retrosenator | yes, thanks ravage and arraybolt3 ! | 03:07 |
| retrosenator | its someone who did not consider me at all, trying to block apt updates over their network | 03:09 |
| arraybolt3 | What baffles me is that they block traffic from a computer with tethering when you're on a data-limited plan. | 03:09 |
| arraybolt3 | Like, c'mon, I paid for the data, lemme use it where I want, 'kay? | 03:09 |
| retrosenator | no its unlimited right now sorry | 03:09 |
| arraybolt3 | Ah, nvm. | 03:09 |
| retrosenator | i was limited before | 03:09 |
| retrosenator | sorry for that | 03:09 |
| retrosenator | I switched to unlimited I have to jump through hoops to get devices to work | 03:10 |
| retrosenator | but I think the data limited plans dont have this... the issue there is, you dont get much data | 03:11 |
| arraybolt3 | Yeah, probably network abuse prevention stuff. | 03:11 |
| retrosenator | i only used 90gb/month | 03:12 |
| ravage | to me tiktok is network abuse. but they seem to have apt in mind :P | 03:12 |
| retrosenator | the plans are like 3gb/month | 03:12 |
| retrosenator | i would have no issues with them blocking tik | 03:13 |
| retrosenator | then gmail wont let me send .tar.gz files anymore as attachments.. so | 03:14 |
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| arraybolt3 | retrosenator: As a side note for in the future, we do try to keep possibly non-family-friendly language out of this channel, so if we can avoid that later, that would be awesome. | 03:35 |
| retrosenator | I will be more careful, thanks for the help | 03:36 |
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| murmel | ogra: yeah, but it's the normal http://192.168.122.1:8000/ through the installer | 06:19 |
| murmel | didn't help to remove it :S | 06:20 |
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| brkroot | I see there is a battery optimizer for ubuntu - slimbookbattery. Do anyone knows any better that that? for monitoring battery temperatures, prevent overhiting and overcharging etc? | 08:11 |
| murmel | brkroot: what kind of laptop do you have? | 08:11 |
| brkroot | huawei d15 (it has vents) | 08:11 |
| murmel | brkroot: I can't find the package you mentioned. but overcharging is most of the time, something the bios has to implement. that's why only business laptops have that. (i only know about dell & lenovo, but I assume hp and fujitsu also have this) | 08:13 |
| brkroot | I was using it by now almost all the time on the charger, which i found out isnt good for the battery. Its build in, so changing it one day wpuld be a hassle | 08:13 |
| murmel | yeah, that's the normal sadly :( | 08:13 |
| brkroot | murmel, thats the PPA ... repository ppa:slimbook/slimbook | 08:13 |
| arkanoid | How can I disable automatic updates in ubuntu core? | 08:14 |
| brkroot | murmel, I remember my old sony vayo has had it in the cmos settings, so even if the laptop is turned off, overcharging measure was in place | 08:14 |
| murmel | brkroot: ahh, very unlikely that it will work with your laptop then, as it's a company which probably designed the software to their hardware | 08:15 |
| brkroot | hm | 08:15 |
| murmel | arkanoid: you mean the snaps? | 08:15 |
| brkroot | oh well, so I guess I will have to manually take care of not overcharging the battery. | 08:16 |
| arkanoid | murmel: I mean I want to handle all network connections manually. I don't want auto updates, auto reboots and so on. | 08:16 |
| murmel | brkroot: afaik if it's not built into your bios, there isn't much you can do with batteries nowadays, except somebody would implement it software side (tlp only works for supported models as it needs hw) | 08:16 |
| murmel | arkanoid: sounds like core is not for you then | 08:16 |
| arkanoid | But I'm dealing with embedded, remote installations, and so on. Auto updates are just a special case, not the norm | 08:17 |
| brkroot | murmel, thanks for letting me know. By the way i have installed tlp tlp-rdw, but not sure whether is doing something or just sitting there | 08:17 |
| murmel | arkanoid: there is a way to remove the auto updates of snaps, but it's really not supported (you need to remove the link to the snap store) | 08:18 |
| murmel | brkroot: edit the config to your liking, as it's a daemon | 08:18 |
| murmel | (restart/reload after editing ;) ) | 08:18 |
| brkroot | murmel, :) ok will have a look nwo | 08:19 |
| arkanoid | Murmel: wow, this is quite an aggressive behavior | 08:21 |
| murmel | arkanoid: depending on the software you use, did you already switch over to the lts variant? | 08:23 |
| murmel | i know it doesn't help too much | 08:23 |
| brkroot | arkanoid, for that reason (and few others tho) I have removed snap completely. Is it a must for you to use snaps? | 08:23 |
| murmel | brkroot: i use snaps, because it's the only supported version, other than (random) other packaging system | 08:23 |
| arkanoid | I'm already on LTS. What don't want is being out of control of network usage and installed software (am I asking too much?!) | 08:23 |
| arkanoid | murmel: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for-snap-from-store/707/4 | 08:25 |
| murmel | arkanoid: as I said, as you don't seem to have a support contract, just remove the link to the snap store, then you are good to go. you would just need to update it yourself then | 08:25 |
| brkroot | tlp.service wasnt even started! :)) | 08:27 |
| murmel | brkroot: yes, that's the default, as a lot of people use the cli version of it ;) | 08:27 |
| murmel | arkanoid: may I pm you? | 08:28 |
| arkanoid | murmel: sure | 08:30 |
| ogra | arkanoid, you can not completely turn tem off unless you use your own (paid) snap store, but you can set a schedule to only have them happen at times you pick | 08:38 |
| ogra | arkanoid, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date | 08:41 |
| arkanoid | My PM will sack ubuntu core as soon as I tell him this news. Quite sad, I kinda liked the snap way of doing things, technically speaking | 08:41 |
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| ogra | arkanoid, with your own store you can do more https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/refresh-control | 08:43 |
| arkanoid | What would be the cost of a private store? Can I install it in house? | 08:44 |
| ogra | arkanoid, https://ubuntu.com/pricing/devices | 08:44 |
| arkanoid | So to disable automatic updates, I would need to pay up to $5000/y? Not worth the price IMHO. I'll look for another solution | 08:47 |
| ogra | good luck with that ... | 08:49 |
| arkanoid | Thanks for the help, murmel | 08:49 |
| arkanoid | ogra: I already have a working solution in place. I tough ubuntu core would have been an upgrade, but actually seems not. Possibly ubuntu core doesn't fit my technical requirements | 08:51 |
| arkanoid | By design, I mean | 08:51 |
| murmel | i wonder if it's normal ubuntu server | 08:52 |
| ogra | arkanoid, well, to reveal something, i'm a field engineer caring for ubuntu core customers in canonical ... 😉 ... if you scroll down on the second link to the per-device pricing you see that this is rather focused on volume customers (1000s to millions of devices), from their perspective the price is more of a second through | 08:54 |
| brkroot_ | good point! | 08:54 |
| ogra | (but most are after the advantages core offers ... built in fleet management capabilities, high availability, full tinker proof setup etc) | 08:55 |
| ogra | s/through/thought/ | 08:56 |
| arkanoid | murmel: no, I need A/B upgrades, fallback networking, and all the bundle that usually comes with embedded. Ubuntu server doesn't come out of the box with this. I'm doing the manual way with buildroot and other stuff to contomize, but it's quite a lot to maintain | 08:57 |
| ogra | arkanoid, and scheduling an update every 90days is too hard ? | 08:58 |
| ogra | i mean, you surely want the system to stay secure and receive CVE fixes and whatnot, dont you ? | 08:58 |
| arkanoid | ogra: it's an undesired feature. I could surely hack it and put a relay on the modem to totally shut down network, but if ubuntu core comes with that feature ad a requirement, it possibly means it is geared towards different to what I need | 09:00 |
| ogra | (note that it *is* possible to build non-upgrading images, but you need to build them from scratch and all snaps would have to be sideloaded from disk at image build time) | 09:00 |
| arkanoid | I would like to just ssh into the remote device and explicitly tell it to perform upgrades, manually | 09:01 |
| murmel | arkanoid: and you can't do that because of? | 09:06 |
| arkanoid | Because automatic upgrades are doing on my back things I can't do by design | 09:07 |
| ogra | well, if you set a schedule that holds the upgrade for 90 days and manually upgrade every two months ... | 09:07 |
| murmel | or less :) | 09:07 |
| ogra | arkanoid, the do nothng evil and snaps do automatically roll back if the upgrade fals | 09:07 |
| ogra | *fails | 09:07 |
| ogra | *they | 09:07 |
| ogra | (geez) | 09:07 |
| ogra | do *do* get some downtime (for rebooting) if the core snap or the kernel get upgraded though... but even they do the auto-rollback when the upgrade fails | 09:09 |
| arkanoid | I understand that 90 days is a large gap and I can say that it would fill lot of market requirements. But for me it requires to be at least 720 days | 09:09 |
| ogra | 2y without security upgrades ? i hope your devices are not online anywhere then 🙂 | 09:10 |
| arkanoid | Well, the risk of messing them up and disrupting service is higher than the security risk | 09:13 |
| murmel | wow, running apt update during do-release-upgrade crashes the upgrade process :( | 09:13 |
| arkanoid | Also, I have zero opened ports on the device | 09:26 |
| Mystified1234 | Hi Guys looking for email client with a good grammar tool , what can you guy's suggest ? | 09:53 |
| ravage | https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/grammar-and-spell-checker/ | 09:56 |
| cry0xen | @Mystified1234: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Email_clients | 09:56 |
| cry0xen | check graphical | 09:56 |
| cry0xen | i used Mailspring in windows and it was the best mailclient experience i had | 09:57 |
| cry0xen | thunderbird and geary have also picked up but not sure any of them support spell checking. | 09:58 |
| Mystified1234 | cry0xen: Tried Mailspring on linux but the Spell check didn't work | 09:58 |
| Mystified1234 | I'll try thunderbird with the addon, would that addon work with other clients | 09:59 |
| ogra | mailspring is in the snap store FWIW (as are quite a bunch of other mail clients) ... in the archive you'll find things evolution, thunderbird and claws | 10:00 |
| ogra | *things like | 10:01 |
| cry0xen | thats odd mailspring support spell check | 10:01 |
| cry0xen | "Mailspring auto-detects the language you're using and spell checks in that language. No need to change your settings! " | 10:01 |
| Mystified1234 | only supported on thunerbird linux email clients | 10:02 |
| * ogra uses evolution, which uses th desktop-integrated spell checking ... works pretty well here | 10:04 | |
| cry0xen | anyone here uses mono audio option? if so did you have to enable it by using a patch manually like me. I am a linux noob (~15days) and took a permanent switch from windows after 20 yrs. I know pulseaudio doesnt have this. and from the looks of it pipewire doesnt provide either. | 10:10 |
| ogra | cybertek2, i assume yu have already tried pavucontrol ? | 10:11 |
| cry0xen | i want to request this feature. its not just for me... for also those who have broken output or hearing impaired. | 10:12 |
| ogra | it usually has a mono option for each device | 10:12 |
| cry0xen | uhm not sure but i had to impliment 2 line of code in the config file | 10:12 |
| cry0xen | for my whole environment | 10:13 |
| cry0xen | https://askubuntu.com/questions/17791/can-i-downmix-stereo-audio-to-mono | 10:13 |
| ogra | ah, yeah, you need to load the module (but break stereo sound then) | 10:14 |
| cry0xen | this should be a exisiting feature cause i have been using this from xp | 10:14 |
| cry0xen | and so many people need this.... from a singe look at google search | 10:15 |
| ogra | that would need a re-design to the module handling in pulse, i doubt you will see that happen given pulseaudio just gets replaced everywhere ... but you should make a feature request for pipewire upstream ... thn it wll show up in ubuntu eventually | 10:15 |
| nikolam | Did anyone noticed that Bash shell has what it seems a major bug, whenever I use, say, nslookup in it's shell and come back to Bash, it stops displaying output..? And as I see bug with bash is cross-platform (also present not only on Linux kernel but also on other OSes) | 10:16 |
| ogra | cry0xen, you can requet such a feature at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues | 10:17 |
| ogra | *request | 10:17 |
| cry0xen | thnx. i was gonna ask you where to request | 10:17 |
| cry0xen | btw i use xubuntu and i dont think they are gonna switch anytime soon however i think i can replace palseaudio to pipewire ryt? | 10:18 |
| bluesabre | cry0xen: Xubuntu will switch to pipewire for 23.04. We have instructions (borrowed from Ubuntu Mate's release notes) on how to switch 23.10 to pipewire: https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/22.10/release-notes#pipewire | 10:20 |
| Bardon | Hello, is there a way to identify packages that aren't used very often and that I could remove? | 10:20 |
| bluesabre | s/23.10/22.10/ | 10:20 |
| Bardon | I'm performing an upgrade and noticed some packages that I installed a long time ago but that I don't use anymore | 10:21 |
| Bardon | Or maybe draw a tree of the package dependencies so I can read it from the root and don't have to go over a list of hundreds of package? | 10:21 |
| cry0xen | ahh thnx bluesabre | 10:26 |
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| amcsi_ | hey | 10:59 |
| amcsi_ | how well does Linux handle Intel's 12th gen CPUs (the ones with E-cores and P-cores) compared to Windows? | 11:00 |
| burfeak06 | asda | 11:00 |
| amcsi_ | and I'm not just asking that if it crashes or not, but also how well are the P/E cores utilized | 11:01 |
| ogra | amcsi_, probably the guys in #ubuntu-kernel could answer this ... | 11:06 |
| diskin | hi all, if I use full disk encryption during install, will be there a significant loss in performance? is it a good thing to do on an M2 SSD drive? | 11:11 |
| nteodosio | Is mattermost-desktop working fine there? It suddenly no longer starts here and core dumps. | 11:18 |
| wez | D: | 11:19 |
| ogra | goodbye matrix 🙂 | 11:28 |
| ogra | (and welcome back matrix ...) | 11:28 |
| ogra | nteodosio, i use my own client snap here and that works fine 😉 (mattermost-client-ogra) ... the -desktop one is too heavyweight IMHO | 11:29 |
| nteodosio | ogra, I didn't know about that one (where does the -ogra come from btw?) | 11:30 |
| nteodosio | More lightweight? Then surely going to give it a try. | 11:31 |
| ogra | nteodosio, i named it like that when packaging it ... (i tend to namespace some of my snaps if they are too close in naming to others) | 11:31 |
| nteodosio | The issue seems more pervasive though, my snaps changed font, links trigger the browser but open an empty page... :/ | 11:32 |
| ogra | 22.10 ? | 11:32 |
| nteodosio | Yup | 11:32 |
| ogra | (i have seen reports that there are some issues on kinetic) | 11:33 |
| nteodosio | Your mattermost also core dumps for me, something is definetely off here. | 11:35 |
| nteodosio | Thanks for your help. | 11:35 |
| ogra | oh, wow | 11:35 |
| ogra | did you have a kernel update recently ? i'd try to go back to the former one for a test if so ... | 11:36 |
| ogra | (and officially we should be taking in #ubuntu-next 😛 ... this channel is only for released ans supported versions) | 11:36 |
| ogra | *and | 11:36 |
| nteodosio | Oh going there :) | 11:37 |
| robin_ | Hey | 11:48 |
| robin_ | Testing IRC for the first time | 11:48 |
| robin_ | Hey | 11:50 |
| ogra | hello robin_ ... welcome, this is the IRC channel for ubuntu support, do you have a support question ? | 11:50 |
| robin_ | Hi oqra. I just wanted a reply to check my installation. Thank you! | 11:51 |
| ogra | np | 11:53 |
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| cry0xen | hmnnn, successfully replaced pulseaudio with pipewire and ruined my mono settings | 12:15 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | can I configure epubviewer to read german text? | 12:15 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | or any other ubuntu app taht does exactly that | 12:16 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:22 |
| ogra | cry0xen, well, you did your changes to pulse which now is gone, so indeed the config change is gone alongside | 12:27 |
| ogra | you'll need to find out how to do it with pipewire now | 12:27 |
| cry0xen | trying easyeffects ... lets see if i can figure something out | 12:30 |
| lotuspsychje | gneeriiloeepdeer: wich app is that you trying exactly? you could tryout calibre, or some epub snaps if you like | 12:31 |
| ogra | gneeriiloeepdeer, what exacly do you mean by "to read german text" ? usually the language doesnt matter for epubs ... r do you mean to run text-to-speech on the epub ? | 12:33 |
| ogra | s/r/or/ | 12:33 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | ogra, I tried epub reader's default option and its incomprehensible | 12:33 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | thus german tet | 12:34 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | text | 12:34 |
| ogra | i do use fbreader to read german as well as englich texts (and calibre to manage my library and occasionally open one) ... none of them have any issue or show any difference based on the language for me | 12:35 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | fbreader | 12:36 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | snap or apt? | 12:36 |
| ogra | should not make a big difference | 12:37 |
| ogra | (snap is usually more up to date= | 12:37 |
| ogra | ) | 12:37 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | snap is a beta | 12:37 |
| ogra | but the deb is 0.12 ... while the snap is 2.0 ... just try thm both and pick your poison 😉 | 12:38 |
| ogra | it isnt like it is hard to uninstall a snap after testing (they are self contained, no dependencies to remve afterwards etc) | 12:39 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | is fbreader a complete app with gui or do I have to run it from cli? | 12:39 |
| ogra | its a gui app | 12:39 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | fb... facebook? | 12:39 |
| ogra | https://fbreader.org/ | 12:40 |
| ogra | lol | 12:40 |
| ogra | no, it is older than facebook i think | 12:40 |
| cry0xen | @gneeriiloeepdeer: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Readers_and_viewers | 12:40 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | ah, fav | 12:40 |
| ogra | https://fbreader.org/linux specifically ... | 12:41 |
| ogra | (there are also screenshots at the top) | 12:41 |
| Bardon | Hello, I just flashed libreboot version 20220710 on my X200. I installed the version GRUB x200 libgfxinit corebootfb frazerty. When I boot the laptop it says GRUB Error "Prefix Isn't Set" a few times, then starts normally | 12:41 |
| Bardon | Why is that? Is it a problem? | 12:41 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | ogra, will the audio sound like stephen king? | 12:43 |
| ogra | gneeriiloeepdeer, no idea, i never used txt-to-speech | 12:45 |
| gneeriiloeepdeer | ogra, ? "i do use fbreader to read german" | 12:45 |
| ogra | to *read* german ... not to have it read to me 🙂 | 12:46 |
| cry0xen | software update cant pick snap redirect from fbread install | 12:53 |
| Bardon | oops, I'm in the wrong channel, sorry | 12:53 |
| cry0xen | says failed to install not supported | 12:53 |
| ogra | "snap redirect" ? | 12:55 |
| cry0xen | okay command line works | 12:56 |
| Bardon | Can I use the HDMI ARC technology to control my laptop when plugged to a TV? | 12:56 |
| ogra | depends on the app i guess | 12:56 |
| Bardon | I'd like to pause VLC when I'm watching a movie on my TV screen from my laptop | 12:56 |
| ogra | i do control kodi on an UbuntuCore devices using CEC from my TV | 12:57 |
| cry0xen | https://snapcraft.io/fbreader <-- i pressed install/view in desktop store which should view it in gnome software but it didnt | 12:57 |
| ogra | but that is a feature kodi provides/uses | 12:57 |
| Bardon | I'll try with kodi then! | 12:57 |
| cry0xen | comand install worked smoothly | 12:57 |
| Bardon | ogra: I don't know about ubuntu core. I use libreelec on a rpi to get kodi on my tv. Does ubuntu core work the same? | 12:59 |
| Bardon | I mean, could I run ubuntu core on a rpi as well and watch kodi with it? | 12:59 |
| ogra | cry0xen, works here ... (though there are a bunch of popups where you need to select the right thing befor it opens) | 12:59 |
| Bardon | run kodi* | 12:59 |
| ogra | Bardon, not exactly the same but similar ... | 12:59 |
| cry0xen | i wish i knew what did i broke when i tried to uninstalled snap. it seems reinstalling didnt fix the issue | 13:00 |
| ogra | Bardon, i.e. i use https://snapcraft.io/kodi-pi-standalone on top of an ubuntu core image ... along with https://snapcraft.io/vdr-server to drive a handfull of USB DVB-S2 adapters for watching and recording TV | 13:01 |
| Bardon | Interesting, this looks very similar to what libreelec offers it seems | 13:03 |
| ogra | i used libreelec (and later coreelec) before ... | 13:04 |
| Bardon | Then I wonder, why go over the trouble of making it yourself when it already comes already ready to use with libreelec? | 13:04 |
| ogra | heh, because i trust ubuntu core more and i like its features | 13:05 |
| Bardon | What are the features ubuntu core provides that LE doesn't? | 13:05 |
| Bardon | apt? | 13:05 |
| ogra | (being able to roll back to a former kernel or rootfs with a single command if something goes out of order and such) | 13:05 |
| ogra | ubuntu core is 100% made out of snaps (including rootfs and kernel) | 13:05 |
| ogra | no apt | 13:05 |
| Bardon | hmm | 13:06 |
| murmel | Bardon: just test it out in a vm, and see if you like it | 13:06 |
| ogra | or on a spare Pi if you have one lying around | 13:06 |
| Bardon | Good thing in my opinion. I sometimes find it annoying to have both apt and snap in my system | 13:07 |
| Bardon | The only spare one I ahve is a model B | 13:07 |
| Bardon | From like 2012 | 13:07 |
| ogra | pi2 ? | 13:07 |
| Bardon | it just says model b | 13:07 |
| Bardon | so I guess pi1? | 13:07 |
| ogra | does it have a chinch socket for video output ? | 13:07 |
| ogra | (that would be a pi1 then, later ones do not have that ... core supports pi2 onwards) | 13:08 |
| Bardon | Yes, a yellow one | 13:08 |
| ogra | yeah, thats a pi1 | 13:08 |
| Bardon | ok, too bad | 13:08 |
| Bardon | I'll try it in a VM as murmel suggested | 13:08 |
| ogra | Bardon, https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/testing-with-qemu | 13:10 |
| Bardon | Nice! | 13:11 |
| cry0xen | hmnn appimagepool is a real nice app | 13:12 |
| murmel | if you like appimages, probably :) | 13:13 |
| cry0xen | for some app yeah | 13:13 |
| * ogra stays away from appimages | 13:14 | |
| murmel | yeah me too, except there is no other way | 13:14 |
| cry0xen | i was trying each and every multimedia app... appimages were the least painful to cleanup | 13:14 |
| murmel | cry0xen: oO how is it cleaner to remove stuff from ~/.config, than ~/snap/<app> or ~/.var/app/<app> | 13:15 |
| ogra | murmel, in that case i package a snap myself before i'd go with giving randm people from the internet root access to my machines 🙂 | 13:15 |
| murmel | ogra: I am not that much into dev (right now) :) | 13:15 |
| murmel | trying to getting there | 13:16 |
| ogra | luckily snaps are easy to package | 13:16 |
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| cry0xen | murmel. a noob here age 15-16 days. i am not there yet | 13:16 |
| cry0xen | i must say among major three OS windows/mac/linux -- i am having the worst media player experience with linux | 13:17 |
| murmel | ogra: I first want to learn deb packaging, which is quite the hassle honestly | 13:17 |
| cry0xen | theres no media player thats as good as potplayer | 13:17 |
| murmel | cry0xen: oO what are you missing/doesn't work? | 13:17 |
| cry0xen | networkstreaming | 13:18 |
| ogra | murmel, yeah, i remember it took me a year or so to create my first half way acceptable deb back then ... | 13:18 |
| murmel | cry0xen: I know this is some hassle, but mpv or celluloid (gui part) | 13:18 |
| cry0xen | nah | 13:18 |
| cry0xen | even vlc fails | 13:18 |
| * ogra is a vlc guy | 13:18 | |
| murmel | ogra: idk, I learnt rpm within a day or two :S | 13:18 |
| lotuspsychje | !discuss | 13:18 |
| ubottu | Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! | 13:18 |
| murmel | cry0xen: then you should tell us what is not working, so we can see if it's a bug or so | 13:19 |
| cry0xen | the best performance i got was from moonplayer and thats not even close to potplayer | 13:19 |
| ogra | murmel, well, getting a deb together isnt the hassle, following the gazillion of policies to make it sane is 🙂 | 13:19 |
| wez | That is why Ubuntu was born | 13:19 |
| murmel | wez: no? | 13:20 |
| ogra | whoops, indeed, thanks lotuspsychje ... we're off topic here | 13:20 |
| wez | lotuspsychje: .o/ | 13:20 |
| cry0xen | murmel i dont exactly know... but my isp hosts lots of media files (pirated :shhh) which also have newer codec like hevc h265 etc and vlc doesnt perfom well with them | 13:21 |
| murmel | cry0xen: what gpu do you have? | 13:22 |
| cry0xen | like stucks laggy or buffers | 13:22 |
| cry0xen | this is a decade old pc with intel g41 integrated gpu i think | 13:22 |
| murmel | did it work on windows? | 13:23 |
| cry0xen | smoothly | 13:23 |
| murmel | so it can't be hardware acceleration | 13:23 |
| cry0xen | even vlc performed better | 13:23 |
| cry0xen | on windows | 13:23 |
| stijntimmer | Hello! | 13:24 |
| wez | Is Windows still a thing | 13:24 |
| wez | ? | 13:24 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome stijntimmer | 13:24 |
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| zzz | wez: windows is still a thing | 13:25 |
| wez | zzz: Is it struggling? | 13:25 |
| lotuspsychje | wez zzz not here please | 13:25 |
| cry0xen | murmel i tried so many apps but for some reason moon player really performed well with network streaming | 13:27 |
| cry0xen | so i am using that ryt now. in addition to vlc. | 13:27 |
| ogra | cry0xen, please take it to #ubuntu-discuss, so we do not spam teh support channel with unrelated stuff | 13:27 |
| gelaarzdegast | join #ubuntu-discuss | 13:28 |
| gelaarzdegast | Sorry forgot the slash | 13:28 |
| jilocasin | morning everyone | 13:28 |
| jilocasin | does anyone know of a decent linux client for Microsoft's Azure Virtual Desktop (AVD)? thanks | 13:29 |
| wez | Mornin' jilocasin | 13:30 |
| jilocasin | hi wez | 13:30 |
| murmel | jilocasin: web client? | 13:30 |
| wez | jilocasin: ummmmm, I don't know, I use AWS. | 13:30 |
| wez | Sorry | 13:30 |
| jilocasin | murmel: that *kinda* works, fuzzy, lots of screen artifacts, even Microsoft knows it's borked. | 13:31 |
| wez | I have use Azure before but I switched because it was terribel | 13:31 |
| jilocasin | wez: that's o.k. perhaps someone else has had luck. | 13:31 |
| wez | Maybe | 13:31 |
| wez | Or they use a better provider instead, maybe Digital OCean | 13:31 |
| jilocasin | Office switched to AVD desktops, Microsoft has Windows, Mac, Android, and IOS clients. There are _some_ thin client Linux clients that have been written by Microsoft partners. | 13:32 |
| jilocasin | HTML5 client is semi-functional, MS official response is to use a *supported* client. (see previous list) | 13:33 |
| murmel | jilocasin: do you know if it's still just rdp? | 13:33 |
| Bardon | ogra: The VLC people told me the CEC feature isn't handled by VLC but by the kernel and userspace. It must also be supported by the hardware. On my laptop, I don't have any /dev/cec*, so no support for my laptop :( | 13:34 |
| jilocasin | Web searches either rehash the above, or are pages for Linux clients for averything but rdpw. | 13:34 |
| wez | Does it support Internet Explorer or Edge only? | 13:34 |
| jilocasin | wez: 'suppoerts' any modern browser, Edge, Chrome, FireFox, etc. same results. | 13:35 |
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| jilocasin | murmel: It's not, it's an RDP varient rdpw, the control file you can download is similar, but not identicle to a standard rdp file. | 13:36 |
| ogra | Bardon, well, kodi does not seem to need that device node ... | 13:36 |
| ogra | ogra@kodi:~$ ls /dev/cec* | 13:36 |
| ogra | ls: cannot access '/dev/cec*': No such file or directory | 13:36 |
| wendalin | Try Brave browser! | 13:36 |
| wez | jilocasin: Really? They use standards now? | 13:36 |
| jilocasin | wendalin: That's my primary ;) so my first try. | 13:36 |
| murmel | jilocasin: ugh, sounds like then there is no client on linux (for now) | 13:36 |
| jilocasin | wez: I supposed, Microsoft standards. | 13:36 |
| jilocasin | murmel: that's what I've found so far, I was hoping perhaps someone else knew more than me. | 13:37 |
| lotuspsychje | jilocasin: try #ubuntu-discuss for software reccomends | 13:38 |
| jilocasin | lotuspsychje: thanks, I'll give it a try | 13:38 |
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| === _ is now known as zzz | ||
| Bardon | ogra: That's surprising! | 13:41 |
| Bardon | But I don't really know how it works | 13:41 |
| murmel | ogra: so I clean installed 22.10 with defaults, and I still get the snap error in vms | 13:41 |
| murmel | ogra: maybe to detail it a bit more, 22.10 host, 22.04 guest | 13:43 |
| Bardon | Apparently it can be /dev/ttyACM* too | 13:43 |
| diskin | hi all, if I use full disk encryption during install, will be there a significant loss in performance? is it a good thing to do on an M2 SSD drive? | 13:48 |
| greenracer | Kind of off topic, but is there a good wifi router that plays well with linux and doesn't require it to be managed through the cloud? | 13:49 |
| gelaarzdegast | Microtik i think i think you can use pfsense/opensense | 13:50 |
| leftyfb | greenracer: try #ubuntu-offtopic. Also, linux doesn't care what type of router you have | 13:56 |
| leftyfb | greenracer: also, you're going to get more suggestions than is worth the question | 13:57 |
| greenracer | leftyfb: thanks | 13:58 |
| jilocasin | gotta love those netsplits | 14:05 |
| jilocasin | I think Microsoft's love affair with linux on the desktop has faded. | 14:05 |
| jrabbit | wsl seems pretty secure, they seem more willing to just throw powerusers into the sun though. | 14:20 |
| jrabbit | basically every document they have about their beta process is misleading | 14:21 |
| krytarik | I think we're mildly off topic here.. | 14:21 |
| Arborist1 | hi | 14:23 |
| Arborist1 | Guys, I just found a perfect linux laptop, the ASUS E410K, it's only $150 at BestBuy, it's Celeron 2021 N4500 is great for running Xubuntu or other light-weight distros, it's perfectly fast/capable for using Firefox, terminal, VPN, Libreoffice, etc. | 14:23 |
| Arborist1 | It's honestly the best "Stock" linux laptop I've ever found, for the price. | 14:23 |
| Arborist1 | Im just here to reccomend it to people | 14:23 |
| Arborist1 | because for the price, its 100% perfectly capable | 14:24 |
| Arborist1 | I'd only run like, Xubuntu or Lubuntu etc on it, light distros, I wouldn't run full Ubuntu on it | 14:24 |
| Arborist1 | The 4 Gigs of ram is pretty limiting and caps my usage to light-distros. | 14:24 |
| retrosenator | i have 4gb ram | 14:25 |
| Arborist1 | nice | 14:25 |
| leftyfb | Arborist1: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel | 14:25 |
| retrosenator | I have an N5000 cpu | 14:25 |
| Arborist1 | nice!! | 14:30 |
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| jhutchins | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements | 15:13 |
| jhutchins | 4G should be fine. Just don't open 437 tabs. | 15:14 |
| ogra | depends on the content 🙂 | 15:15 |
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| Teckla | Infinite scroll websites are the worst, they eat up RAM really fast | 15:33 |
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| enzo | howdy | 16:05 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome enzo | 16:08 |
| enzo | redhsr??j/k | 16:09 |
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| === xbi409 is now known as xib490 | ||
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| Mucki | hi i need help | 18:43 |
| tomreyn | hi Mucki | 18:43 |
| tomreyn | if you have an ubuntu support question, just ask | 18:44 |
| Mucki | hi tomreyn | 18:44 |
| Mucki | I have download the Iso Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS Desktop | 18:44 |
| Mucki | and with yumi USB to USB Stick | 18:45 |
| wendalin | Rufus USB | 18:45 |
| Mucki | i have a HP Elitedesk and more as a loading screen is not | 18:45 |
| Mucki | they are hanging on loading screen | 18:46 |
| tomreyn | better use balena etcher or rufus in dd mode | 18:46 |
| Mucki | ok i try rufus | 18:47 |
| cbreak | I've made good experiences with etcher and the startup usb creator in ubuntu | 18:50 |
| Mucki | No.. it doesnt work | 19:13 |
| Mucki | UEFI .. hanging | 19:13 |
| Mucki | Legacy: Kernel Panic - not dyncing: Fatal exception in interrupt | 19:14 |
| cbreak | booting in UEFI mode... does it show grub? | 19:14 |
| Mucki | yes.. try and install | 19:14 |
| Mucki | or graphic safe mode... | 19:15 |
| Mucki | i testet all | 19:15 |
| cbreak | good, so the hang you report happens after? | 19:15 |
| cbreak | seems the startup disk creation worked | 19:15 |
| Mucki | moment | 19:17 |
| Mucki | Uefi boot: clocksource switched to clocksource tsc | 19:18 |
| Mucki | and hanging | 19:18 |
| brisaleo | hoa | 19:20 |
| clarkk | I'm on 20.04. Where do I find the place where it gives me the option to upgrade to 22.04? | 19:20 |
| arraybolt3 | clarkk: I think that's do-release-upgrade's job. | 19:23 |
| arraybolt3 | Back up your data first, then run "sudo apt update", then "sudo apt full-upgrade", then "sudo do-release-upgrade". | 19:24 |
| arraybolt3 | Er, "sudo do-release-upgrade --allow-third-party". | 19:24 |
| arraybolt3 | (That way your PPA's won't get messed up.) | 19:24 |
| Mucki | ok i try it | 19:29 |
| Mucki | thanke | 19:29 |
| Mucki | thanks | 19:29 |
| cry0xen | hmnn i successfully broke my pc 3 times in a row using easyeffects | 20:04 |
| matsaman | nice | 20:07 |
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| brkroot | Not really an Ubuntu question, but please if you can help? I downloaded a video playlist with each video named and numbered with 1.1, 1.2 ~ 6.3, 6,4 ect. But the numbering is at the back of the title names so the files are not in order. Where do I start with creating a string in the terminal to sort them in order? Screenshot ---> https://postimg.cc/WDVWVfCp | 20:34 |
| tomreyn | there's #linux and #bash | 20:35 |
| brkroot | ... #bash sounds just what I need :) | 20:35 |
| sarnold | omg that's so annoying, *so close* to being useful and yet not | 20:39 |
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| area51pilot | identify | 21:25 |
| area51pilot | msg /msg NickServ IDENTIFY area51pilot daedalus | 21:27 |
| AlexC | very strong password | 21:28 |
| tomreyn | area51pilot: make sure you change your nickserv password, this was sent to #ubuntu | 21:29 |
| area51pilot | already done :P | 21:29 |
| area51pilot | my bad | 21:29 |
| tomreyn | you probably have a "server" or other tab where you can safely enter such commands | 21:29 |
| area51pilot | its been quite a while since Ive been in here ... running Ubuntu 22.10 on a machine and wanted to see if anyone was missing the file sharing option | 21:30 |
| cry0xen | can someone have a solution to this --> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1409194/enable-mono-audio-output-in-ubuntu-22-04lts | 21:32 |
| cry0xen | i tried looking for the solution but i failed horribly. using easyeffects, i get a pemporary fix however it freezes my pc 3 times already | 21:34 |
| oerheks | easyconnect is only in the Kinetic repo.. | 21:41 |
| oerheks | this github page says | 21:44 |
| oerheks | It is not possible to use mono. Almost all of the plugins available in EasyEffects require 2 channels to work https://github.com/wwmm/easyeffects/issues/1312 | 21:44 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 1312 in wwmm/easyeffects "[Feature request] mono input devices" [Open] | 21:44 | |
| tomreyn | cry0xen: how about https://askubuntu.com/questions/17791/can-i-downmix-stereo-audio-to-mono | 21:46 |
| tomreyn | oh, i take that question back | 21:47 |
| oerheks | i had something simular, for pulse .. copy /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to ~/.config/pulse/daemon.conf and edit it ::: tee ~/.config/pulse/daemon.conf <<< 'default-channel-map = mono,mono' #from https://forum.manjaro.org/t/permanently-enable-mono-audio-output/101904/4 | 21:47 |
| tomreyn | cry0xen: hmm, you're on 22.04 LTS? this still uses pulseaudio by default, from what i read. yet you seem to be looking for a pipewire solution? | 21:48 |
| oerheks | but both pipewire and easyeffects on LTS, not much testers i presume. | 21:48 |
| cry0xen | tomryen yeah i used the pulseaudio solution till this evening however for some weird reason (devl mustve been poking me) i wanted to try pipewire and now here i am stuck | 21:55 |
| tomreyn | well, you can undo your changes, or reinstall | 21:56 |
| cry0xen | from the official channel someone told me this "start by reading https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/wikis/Virtual-Devices#virtual-sink" | 21:56 |
| cry0xen | as someone who recently switched to linux i dont have the courage to tell him that i am so dumb that i cant interpret more than half what the command line says | 21:57 |
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| antiPoP | Hi, after upgrading to 22.04 I'm unable to run UI applications as root. If I launch GParted I get a dialog asking for root password, but it always says the password is wrong. | 22:16 |
| tomreyn | antiPoP: are you sure it's asknig for root's password? | 22:19 |
| antiPoP | Yes, and my user's password worked in 20.04 | 22:21 |
| tomreyn | do you have a root password set, though? | 22:23 |
| antiPoP | tomreyn, no I didn't had it in 20.04 and I was alble to run UI apps as super user | 22:24 |
| antiPoP | here is an screenshot: https://tmpfiles.org/133086/polkit.png | 22:24 |
| antiPoP | and I'm able to do "sudo su" | 22:26 |
| tomreyn | what does ls -l /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.gnome.gparted.policy report? | 22:28 |
| antiPoP | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9736 ene 21 2022 /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.gnome.gparted.policy | 22:29 |
| antiPoP | But this happens with all apps requiring privileges, not only with gparted | 22:29 |
| tomreyn | hmm, then i guess something is wrong with polkit on your system. did the upgrade go well? | 22:30 |
| antiPoP | tomreyn, yes no issues | 22:32 |
| antiPoP | but I have been upgrading this computer since 19.04 | 22:32 |
| tomreyn | when you say "run UI applications as root", does this mean you run the entire desktop as root, or you start these applications using sudo or from a root shell or something? | 22:32 |
| antiPoP | no, I log in as my user | 22:33 |
| antiPoP | standard one with sudo permissions | 22:33 |
| tomreyn | and then run gparted by doing what? | 22:34 |
| antiPoP | just click on the applications menu | 22:34 |
| antiPoP | or type it in the console without sudo | 22:35 |
| tomreyn | okay. and are you using an Xorg or wayland session? | 22:35 |
| antiPoP | xorg | 22:36 |
| antiPoP | xfce | 22:36 |
| VMGuy23 | hi | 22:36 |
| DynamiteDan | Greetings. I have a openvpn connection and I was wondering if I can redirect specific dns requests (a subdomain) to a dns server via vpn and keep the normal dns resolution from my main connection. Thanks in advance | 22:37 |
| ravage | a local instance of for example dnsmasq can do that | 22:38 |
| oerheks | ' specific' ? | 22:38 |
| DynamiteDan | oh | 22:38 |
| DynamiteDan | I will give it some check | 22:39 |
| DynamiteDan | thank you | 22:39 |
| tomreyn | antiPoP: compare the packages you have to those xubuntu-desktop would install, and see whether there is anything about "polkit" that you're missing | 22:40 |
| antiPoP | tomreyn, how do I do that? | 22:41 |
| tomreyn | antiPoP: sudo apt update && sudo apt install --assume-no xubuntu-desktop | 22:42 |
| antiPoP | tomreyn, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/xPNUdqvz no polkit matches | 22:46 |
| antiPoP | btw in a upgraded default ubuntu-desktop install it works fine | 22:48 |
| tomreyn | antiPoP: yes, i assume it is somehow related to you running xfce but not xubuntu-desktop | 22:51 |
| antiPoP | ok, thanks. | 22:52 |
| antiPoP | maybe should I set a root password? | 22:53 |
| tomreyn | !root | 22:54 |
| ubottu | Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo | 22:54 |
| tomreyn | you don't usually have a root password set on ubuntu | 22:54 |
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| antiPoP | I asked in #xubuntu and #xfce and no reply so far | 23:20 |
| quackgyver | how do i force kill a program that wont quit in ubuntu desktop | 23:31 |
| quackgyver | ive already tried ending the process via the system monitor | 23:32 |
| quackgyver | but it doesnt work | 23:32 |
| cbreak | kill -KILL pid | 23:32 |
| cbreak | if you know the process id | 23:32 |
| quackgyver | how do i find out the process id | 23:32 |
| cbreak | ps, top, the system monitor, ... | 23:33 |
| quackgyver | ok so its the same as "ID"? | 23:33 |
| quackgyver | ok yeah, that worked | 23:33 |
| quackgyver | thanks! | 23:33 |
| NiziU | Hi. | 23:36 |
| DynamiteDan | I have configured dnsmasq. I choose the strict order option and set a resolv.conf file with the order of the dns servers. Why can't I get resolutions from the private network I specify first? | 23:37 |
| Oski146 | i need help with raspberry pi and gamecontroller trust muta 1230 gxt | 23:37 |
| Oski146 | the systtem dont recognize the controller but its plug and play and normal ubuntu recognizes it i tested thia | 23:37 |
| Oski146 | i use raspi os atm | 23:38 |
| NiziU | is there anything on the website that might help? lol | 23:38 |
| ravage | Oski146, https://forums.raspberrypi.com/ | 23:38 |
| Oski146 | thanks | 23:39 |
| Oski146 | do they have a irc? | 23:39 |
| NiziU | ah, yes. that is one lol | 23:39 |
| Oski146 | how can i get on freenode? there is anirc on freenode for raspberry | 23:40 |
| ravage | what is wrong with #raspberyypi here? | 23:42 |
| ravage | or #raspbian | 23:42 |
| VMGuy23 | Oski146: there's one on Libera too | 23:43 |
| Oski146 | ok i will look into it thanks | 23:43 |
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